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| 00:27.54 | spydon | :< |
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| 00:55.30 | mamont | :D |
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| 01:00.11 | mamont | doc|home: heya, didn't know you were in this chan |
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| 01:00.29 | mamont | hugs open source mobileness |
| 01:01.46 | doc|home | mamont: now you're just outright lying. You've talked to me, and accused me of stuff before in this channel. |
| 01:02.09 | mamont | oh? Probably wasn't paying attention |
| 01:02.18 | mamont | what'd I accuse you of? Was it something to do with a sexual act? :) |
| 01:02.32 | doc|home | mamont: you're a very broken person and I have no interest in talking to you. |
| 01:02.40 | mamont | so why are you :D |
| 01:02.58 | mamont | I'm probably your only friend, don't push me away :D |
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| 01:10.15 | mamont | doc|home: it's so hard to make fun of you because you're so inactive in all your channels |
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| 01:35.54 | mamont | doc|home: it's okay, I still lubses you |
| 01:35.55 | mamont | catch you later |
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| 03:17.16 | slaxxin | http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=arm |
| 03:25.01 | SpeedEvil | woo |
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| 04:42.10 | xhr17 | ... |
| 04:42.28 | rooly | anyone wanna buy a freerunner? 100$'s |
| 04:42.33 | xhr17 | lolz. |
| 04:42.48 | xhr17 | that is just the starting bid, silly. |
| 04:43.26 | xhr17 | altho no one has bid on it yet. |
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| 05:17.44 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5365 10/developers/werner/fped/ (TODO gui_icons.c gui_inst.c inst.c inst.h): (log message trimmed) |
| 05:17.44 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - implemented radio buttons for icon bar, but don't like them |
| 05:17.44 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - removed excessive paranoia in inst_get_bbox |
| 05:17.44 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - instances are now stacked by drawing/selection priority |
| 05:17.44 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - struct inst_ops is only used inside inst.c, moved it there |
| 05:17.48 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - no longer need "magic" VEC_EYE_R in gui_inst.c to give vectors selection |
| 05:17.50 | CIA-54 | openmoko: priority |
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| 05:36.24 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5366 10/developers/werner/fped/ (TODO gui_inst.c gui_inst.h inst.c): |
| 05:36.24 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - the stem of a vector can now also be selected, but at low priority |
| 05:36.24 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - active elements are drawn above inactive ones |
| 05:36.24 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - the selected element is always drawn on top |
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| 05:55.20 | badcloud_ | xhr17, that's it? no more? |
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| 06:23.36 | beer__ | how does it go with gta02-core, gta03 and plan B? |
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| 06:43.17 | badcloud | arg, dates is segging with the latest shr unstable image |
| 06:47.57 | badcloud | but only when I preselect the time from the calendar graphic interface |
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| 08:54.26 | Psi | PaulFertser: so far it is working great |
| 08:54.49 | Psi | (battery graph) |
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| 09:22.29 | PaulFertser | Psi: did you try the full discharge? |
| 09:23.00 | PaulFertser | Psi: the graph is modelled after bq27000 idea of battery charge left. |
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| 09:36.35 | Psi | ya, i ran it till it died |
| 09:36.51 | Psi | how low is the level supposed to get before the phone shuts off |
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| 09:38.36 | PaulFertser | Psi: it's not as easy to tell. |
| 09:38.54 | PaulFertser | Psi: GSM modem turns off first but there're still some capacity to run the system left. |
| 09:39.07 | Psi | when the phone died the icon was red, and the low batt popup had triggered. but id say the level inside the battery icon was 25% (red) |
| 09:39.52 | PaulFertser | Psi: do you tell it by looking at the icon or by placing the mouse pointer over it and reading the values? |
| 09:40.12 | PaulFertser | Psi: have you kept the log of discharge (/sys/class/power_supply/battery/uevent) |
| 09:40.25 | Psi | hm.. didnt know you could click on it |
| 09:41.01 | PaulFertser | Psi: not click, just hover. |
| 09:41.03 | Psi | i was going to set cron to take a screen shot every 10 min but i could find a binary of gpe-scap |
| 09:41.33 | Psi | could=couldnt |
| 09:42.06 | PaulFertser | Psi: screenshot instead of "cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/uevent"? |
| 09:42.30 | Psi | ya, didnt know about uevent |
| 09:43.41 | PaulFertser | Psi: there're other self-descriptive nodes in there. |
| 09:44.37 | Psi | ah, i see |
| 09:44.53 | Psi | ok, i ill repeat and make you a log |
| 09:45.31 | PaulFertser | Psi: i don't really need it. |
| 09:45.32 | Psi | my battery might be a little stuffed, its been fully discharged maybe 6 times |
| 09:46.00 | PaulFertser | Psi: if end-users are happy enough with the guessimation curve, let it be it. |
| 09:46.14 | Psi | yeah, im very happy with it |
| 09:46.35 | Psi | good work |
| 09:46.47 | PaulFertser | Psi: say thanks to SpeedEvil when you see him next time :) |
| 09:47.00 | Psi | will do |
| 09:48.48 | Psi | the curve can always be tweaked in the future if needed |
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| 09:56.44 | Kero | funky. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD starts at partition 1 on SD, my uboot seems to start at 0. |
| 09:58.25 | PaulFertser | Kero: are you the one who asked about power management on gta01? |
| 09:59.24 | Kero | asked about duration of battery & diff between FSO 5.5 and SHR, as I get 8h on Neo for 5.5 and DOc gets 2d on SHR |
| 09:59.42 | Kero | so i'm installing shr now. |
| 09:59.48 | PaulFertser | Kero: are you on gta01? |
| 09:59.55 | Kero | yes |
| 10:00.40 | PaulFertser | Kero: suspend time on gta01 with uSD removed should be ~48hrs. |
| 10:01.07 | Kero | and what the diff between suspend and standby is. |
| 10:01.17 | PaulFertser | Kero: what's standby? |
| 10:01.38 | Kero | I don't know |
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| 10:02.04 | Kero | doc used the term. |
| 10:02.27 | PaulFertser | Kero: which doc? |
| 10:02.41 | Kero | DocScrutinizer |
| 10:02.51 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 10:03.02 | DocScrutinizer | moin paul btw :) |
| 10:03.13 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i can't believe you used "standby" to describe a gta01 state ;) |
| 10:03.36 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: Hehe, you see finally someone is happy with discharge curve :) |
| 10:03.48 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, even me has a silly 5min every once in a few weeks |
| 10:04.27 | PaulFertser | Kero: with gta01 you'll have about 4-5 hours running and ~40 hrs suspend. |
| 10:04.57 | Kero | ok |
| 10:04.58 | PaulFertser | Kero: that's definetely can be improved but those who can do that (have skills) lack either time or hardware. |
| 10:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: ( finally someone is happy) please elaborate, don't see it |
| 10:05.11 | PaulFertser | Kero: i for once lack hardware. |
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| 10:05.29 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: Psi tested improved battery driver on gta01 and says he's ok with the capacity readings. |
| 10:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | great :) |
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| 10:06.10 | Kero | hm. as it seems my single Neo1973 works now (whee!) you're not going to get mine, sorry :) |
| 10:06.22 | DocScrutinizer | hrhrrrhrrr |
| 10:06.45 | PaulFertser | Kero: you reminded me that i've one important task waiting: fix SD power management on gta01 which is fubared atm. |
| 10:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: seems I have to lend out my only 01-device to you |
| 10:07.34 | PaulFertser | Kero: and btw FSO 5.5 still uses 2.6.24 while SHR uses 2.6.29 which can (and most probably still has) some regressions due to lack of testing. |
| 10:07.52 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i don't think that's needed, i still hope that guy from the ML will give me his. |
| 10:08.01 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: probably it's the time i remind him of my existence. |
| 10:08.02 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 10:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | high time to do so |
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| 10:19.48 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: if all decent LiIon batteries have an internal overtemperature protection, why do nokia phones care about thermistor presence? |
| 10:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | to reduce charging current to avoid overtemp or bat damage on charging high-I on too *low* temp |
| 10:22.20 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i'm trying to understand how mandotory that is. |
| 10:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | a nice-to-have |
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| 10:23.11 | DocScrutinizer | U usually don't fastcharge at -30°C |
| 10:23.49 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: because we can't control temp of a dumb battery on gta02 without hardware mods. And i think we don't pay any attention to the temperature while charging bq27k-enabled battery too. And i'm not sure current PMU setup on gta01 takes temperature into account. |
| 10:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | and bat shouldn't overheat on chage anyway. IF it does, bat internal emergency cutout kicks in |
| 10:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: nevermind |
| 10:24.44 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: ok. |
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| 10:34.36 | Psi | who knows, maybe this time next year well be able to buy an eestor capacitor to replace the gta01/02 battery :) |
| 10:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | very unlikely, as operating volage range for Neo is 3.5V..4.2V. For a capacitor with a linear capacity/voltage characteristic that would mean you can't use most of the energy the capacitor has stored |
| 10:38.17 | SpeedEvil | The real reason is that you absolutely never want to charge a lithium battery that's hot - or bad stuff can happen. |
| 10:38.18 | Psi | it would need a built in dc/dc |
| 10:38.27 | Psi | 3500V -> 4V |
| 10:38.41 | SpeedEvil | I hope eestor manages to produce product cheaply. |
| 10:38.49 | Psi | me too |
| 10:38.56 | Psi | have you been following the news lately |
| 10:38.59 | SpeedEvil | On the order of a tenth of the cost of current bats. |
| 10:39.00 | SpeedEvil | nope |
| 10:39.08 | Psi | an interview was leaked |
| 10:39.11 | SpeedEvil | last looked at about 3 months ago |
| 10:39.52 | Psi | they are supposedly close to going public |
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| 10:42.05 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - well there is public - and there is public as nanosolar is |
| 10:43.08 | Psi | from memory, they said a prototype will be sent to Zenn october |
| 10:43.09 | SpeedEvil | For example - they contract with a power company to supply them with 200GWh of storage - which soaks up the first several years of product. |
| 10:44.19 | Psi | there was some info about the production lines required and apparently the gear is quite easy to get |
| 10:44.28 | Psi | so scaling up production should be quite easy |
| 10:44.38 | Psi | and is just a matter of adding more lines |
| 10:45.14 | SpeedEvil | As I've said about lots of this stuff - I'll believe it when I can order it from digikey et al. |
| 10:45.21 | Psi | hehe yeah |
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| 10:46.42 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: do you know more precisely what "hot" means? |
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| 10:47.39 | Psi | SpeedEvil: here is the leaked info if you wann have a read http://theeestory.com/topics/2529 |
| 10:48.42 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: no - it's something over 50C |
| 10:48.46 | SpeedEvil | on charge |
| 10:49.01 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: which can easily be gotten if you plug it in in a hot car |
| 10:49.06 | Psi | there is also this patent which has an interesting circuit diagram for high voltage to low voltage http://theeestory.com/topics/2556 |
| 10:49.25 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: DocScrutinizer says all decent LiIon batteries have internal protection so we shouldn't worry. |
| 10:52.04 | SpeedEvil | Psi: that looks like a pretty standard converter. |
| 10:53.14 | Psi | i thought it was quite a nice design |
| 10:53.20 | Psi | but yeah, i know its not new or anything |
| 10:53.52 | Psi | just interesting that there are patents connecting to the eestor dcdc circuits too |
| 10:54.24 | SpeedEvil | Oh - it's just series connecting to increase the Vds |
| 10:54.39 | Psi | ya |
| 10:54.40 | SpeedEvil | That should absolutely not be patentable IMO. |
| 10:54.57 | Psi | 99% of patents shouldnt be patentable :P |
| 10:55.02 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 10:55.10 | DocScrutinizer | I'm going to patent the concept of patents |
| 10:55.14 | Psi | heh |
| 10:55.39 | SpeedEvil | has had a usenet post mentioned in a patent. |
| 10:55.45 | SpeedEvil | is part of the problem. |
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| 11:00.40 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: yes - I at the moment have my head in stuff which is using raw cells - so I'm not thinking about protected cells. |
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| 11:14.06 | Kero | there we go, on reboot SHR does not ask for PIN :( |
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| 11:16.48 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: it does, just stay patient and don't interfere with bootup early phase by user interaction |
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| 11:20.49 | Kero | how patient? first time it was quick enough. trying again... |
| 11:22.21 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: depends, I usually see pin dialog after a few minutes (<2 from X start) |
| 11:23.12 | Kero | i'll wait 10 minutes, then I'l look at the debug log I'm making. |
| 11:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: another possibility is to go to SHR-settings Phone, and powercycle GSM-modem |
| 11:25.06 | DocScrutinizer | on recent versions of SHR/FSO this reliably triggers pin query (on gta02) |
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| 11:25.17 | Kero | i'll try that, too |
| 11:25.48 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: do I remeber correctly you're testing on a 1973? |
| 11:25.54 | Kero | yes |
| 11:26.34 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, power management for gsm-modem differs from 02 to 01. I'm not that convinced it is bug-free on 01 |
| 11:27.24 | Kero | got SHR of 7/3on SD now, can boot 5.5 still. |
| 11:28.21 | Kero | this SHR on SD seems much more stable than anything I put on main flash ever. All Settings pop up fast, for instance. |
| 11:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | shr73 and fso55 shouldn't be a big diff for middleware. fso has older kernel AIUI |
| 11:28.40 | Kero | yes |
| 11:29.07 | Kero | gps/gllin does not seem to work at all. Still have to try calls and messages. |
| 11:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | well I guess mickeyl and PaulFertser are the right guys to nag with this class of bugs |
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| 11:37.41 | Kero | whole series of 2009.08.02 15:35:26.940 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR could not open channel UNSOL, retrying in 2 seconds |
| 11:38.51 | Kero | phone settings do not show up either. ?? |
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| 11:49.27 | Kero | cold boot worked (removing battery). |
| 11:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: that would be a really exciting news if it were different ;-P |
| 11:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | "" Neo Freerunner in unstoppable endless loop. Removing bat can't stop "" |
| 11:56.34 | Kero | :) but would sure be nice if we can improve on warm reboots. |
| 11:56.48 | DocScrutinizer | I'd immediately start investigating how to even charge bat and power a second device from energy extracted somewhere near CPU-core voltage |
| 11:57.18 | Kero | can we use the vibrating thingy to harvest energy? |
| 11:57.44 | DocScrutinizer | errrrrrrrrrrrr....................yes |
| 11:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | if we apply circular vibration of correct axis and freq and sufficient amplitude to device, and do a few hacks to GPIO and PMU management |
| 12:00.47 | Wonka | lol |
| 12:01.49 | Kero | RSI? yes, I had to charge my phone. |
| 12:02.50 | Wonka | hm. hand crank charger. |
| 12:05.50 | Kero | on warm reboot, can't access gsm; should I not reboot by typing halt in ssh? |
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| 12:07.53 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: reboot doesn't reset gsm. |
| 12:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | on 01 gsm has "uninteruptiple power source" directly from bat |
| 12:09.34 | Kero | mm, so gsm figures OS is still running and won't "accept" a new OS ? |
| 12:09.42 | DocScrutinizer | afaik only two ways to power down gsm are: remove bat, or send "AT@POFF" to modem *successfully* |
| 12:10.07 | SpeedEvil | holds up his soldering iron, and axe. |
| 12:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 12:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: modem doesn't figure anything. it's hooked up to system via "dumb" tty and a "pushbutton" to start _only_ |
| 12:11.43 | Kero | so startup sequence should be AT AT@POFF AT@PON ? (or does @POFF prevent @PON?) |
| 12:11.57 | Kero | if @PON exists at all. |
| 12:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: doesn't |
| 12:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, probably on system boot we should take care to make sure modem is off. That's *rather* tricky though |
| 12:13.14 | Kero | so how would you power up gsm after issuing AT@POFF ? |
| 12:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | as we don't want to force-powerup modem for a single purpose to send AT@POFF |
| 12:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | (powerup) aforementioned "pushbutton" (GPIO) |
| 12:18.08 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: refer to wikipage gsm-flashing. The generic method is based in gta01 powerswitching idiosyncrasies |
| 12:19.06 | DocScrutinizer | the "echo 1 >foo; sleep 1; echo 0 >foo" part |
| 12:20.05 | Kero | myeah. |
| 12:22.06 | DocScrutinizer | a good bet is to send "AAT@POFF\n" to modem's tty twice |
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| 12:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | the nasty detail is you never know if you don't get an "OK" answer via tty because of modem being actually off, or simply because tty locked up |
| 12:32.49 | Kero | right. I think I revived gsm with power_on/gpio |
| 12:34.15 | Kero | antenna remains off, tho. |
| 12:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: please don't get me started about "antenna". The most puzzling and braindead naming I ever seen |
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| 12:39.43 | DocScrutinizer | I even thought this notorious "antenna" was gone in SHR long time ago |
| 12:39.43 | Kero | restarting frameworkd, restart ophonekitd |
| 12:39.47 | Kero | and it's working. |
| 12:41.26 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: please dicuss the details with mickeyl. I guess it's a problem of FSO (or maybe kernel, in which case PaulFertser is the one to talk to) |
| 12:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | the modem_power sysfs node seen a semantics change recently. Maybe this had side effects on GTA01 |
| 12:43.09 | Kero | that is, after passing PIN I have access to the SIM, but it stoppe working again. |
| 12:43.12 | Kero | gah. |
| 12:44.16 | Kero | ophonekit died; and gsm is unresponsive again. I'll stick with cold reboots, I think :( |
| 12:44.16 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, so at least you can trace it down now to the very moment it stops, right? |
| 12:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure mickey is interested in this. You should safe all relevant info (how-to-reproduce, logs, etc) |
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| 12:46.17 | Kero | I see the symptoms. Not sure I know the moment it stops. |
| 12:46.50 | Kero | but I can change to DEBUG logging once more. |
| 12:47.23 | Kero | so the AT commands are visible, and we may learn a bit more |
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| 12:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: cool |
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| 13:00.33 | Kero | I just remember, with FSO 5.5 I have no problems with this. perhaps it's enough to trigger the right people :) |
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| 13:03.45 | PBeck | hi |
| 13:04.35 | PaulFertser | Kero: are you using the latest gsm firmware? |
| 13:05.29 | PaulFertser | Kero: the kernel difference between FSO 5.5 demo image and SHR unstable means a lot, but it doesn't really explain odd behaviour. |
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| 13:06.02 | PaulFertser | Kero: first of all, latest gsm firmware. |
| 13:06.10 | Kero | yes, moko11 |
| 13:07.21 | PaulFertser | Kero: second, switch ogsmd to DEBUG, ensure you cold boot and harvest the logs. |
| 13:07.37 | Kero | should (and can) I try SHR with 2.6.24 ? |
| 13:07.47 | Kero | ok, can do. |
| 13:08.06 | PaulFertser | Kero: you can try SHR with 2.6.24 but i don't think it can help us moving forward. |
| 13:08.19 | Kero | cold boot works, so I assume you want a warm boot log after that? |
| 13:08.42 | Kero | ok |
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| 13:09.20 | PaulFertser | Kero: ah, cold boot always works but what happens when it fails? |
| 13:09.51 | PaulFertser | Kero: or it fails only after reboot? |
| 13:10.16 | PaulFertser | Kero: in that case i'd say that it's FSO's fault, it doesn't send AT@POFF (but will soon). |
| 13:10.44 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: my suspicion |
| 13:10.47 | Kero | SHR fails only (and always) on reboot; FSO works 5.5 |
| 13:10.59 | PaulFertser | Kero: so you shouldn't reboot :D |
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| 13:11.06 | Kero | of course :) |
| 13:11.25 | PaulFertser | Kero: but the problem is lack of AT@POFF command. Please ask mickeyl to add it back. |
| 13:11.29 | Kero | o you want FSO -> SHR and SHR -> FSO reboot sequences ? |
| 13:13.02 | PaulFertser | Kero: no |
| 13:13.16 | PaulFertser | Kero: AT@POFF must be there. It's still not afaik and that's a bug. |
| 13:13.26 | Kero | should I try most recent SHR ? using 07/03 now. |
| 13:14.04 | PaulFertser | Kero: hm, not sure. Some of shr guys knows the answer better than me. |
| 13:14.20 | PaulFertser | Kero: you can do a trick to workaround the issue. |
| 13:14.47 | Kero | what's the trick? |
| 13:15.04 | Kero | what I tried so far was not satisfactory :) |
| 13:15.12 | PaulFertser | Kero: _after_ you turned off gsm (by killing ophonekitd) do "echo -ne AT@POFF\\rAT@POFF\\r > /dev/ttySAC0" |
| 13:16.43 | Kero | that's after the warm reboot, I assume (just making sure) |
| 13:16.59 | PaulFertser | Kero: no |
| 13:17.26 | PaulFertser | Kero: you add this workaround to an appropriate script so this echo thing gets executed before turning the device off / rebooting. |
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| 13:17.32 | Kero | aha. |
| 13:17.42 | PaulFertser | Kero: but after killing ophonekitd and probably frameworkd. |
| 13:17.50 | Kero | well, let me try that now. |
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| 13:17.55 | PaulFertser | Kero: then you do cold boot so everything is working. Then you try to reboot. |
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| 13:29.06 | Kero | attempt one failed. |
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| 13:29.33 | Kero | but after warm reboot I managed to receive an incoming call with a bunch of commands, including that AT@POFF |
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| 13:29.48 | Kero | so the trick may indeed be "appropriate script" |
| 13:30.04 | Kero | trying again... |
| 13:32.27 | PaulFertser | Kero: but you understand the issue and the idea, right? |
| 13:33.09 | PaulFertser | Kero: and it should still be fixed in frameworkd of course as it should be able to turn off the modem. |
| 13:34.16 | Kero | yup. |
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| 13:50.48 | SpeedEvil | Psi: also - be very wary of believing 'leaked' stuff - that would tend to manipulate a companies stock price. |
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| 13:53.19 | Kero | duing boot I see udevzcat: no space left on device |
| 13:53.24 | Kero | is that bad? |
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| 14:06.11 | Kero | can't get a warm reboot to work, still. |
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| 14:26.37 | Kero | *grin* GSM 6.10 wav files not played by SHR ? |
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| 14:57.36 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r46139366f8ea 10/libfsobasics/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 14:57.36 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: libfsobasics: logger: new API Logger.createFromKeyFile( SmartKeyFile smk, string domain) to create a logger |
| 14:57.36 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: from an entry in a configuration file |
| 15:02.44 | Kero | does SHR need gllin? or is fso-gpsd sufficient? |
| 15:04.36 | Kero | needless to say, gllin 1.1 won't work (segfaults, I think ldlinux.so.3 vs ldlinux.so.2 is not cooperative) |
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| 15:10.09 | PaulFertser | Kero: gllin is mandatory for gps on gta01 :( |
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| 15:17.20 | Kero | and how do I get it running on SHR? or do I need to wait for anoher release of this proprietry package? |
| 15:18.24 | PaulFertser | Kero: no chance to get a new version of proprietary package. And anyway you need OABI userspace to run it, so just run in chroot, i think SHR guys package it exactly like that. |
| 15:21.34 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r02db0e7d61c4 10/libfsoframework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libfsoframework: catch up with libfsobasics API addition |
| 15:23.57 | Kero | they packaged it? where? |
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| 15:26.40 | PaulFertser | Kero: i think it should be in the feeds. |
| 15:28.35 | Kero | gpsd says I should install gllin from 3rdparty.downloads, even when it is already installed. |
| 15:29.03 | PaulFertser | Kero: gpsd? |
| 15:29.07 | PaulFertser | Kero: or fso-gpsd? |
| 15:29.13 | PaulFertser | Kero: where does it say that? |
| 15:29.48 | Kero | gps-hardware called by gpsd script |
| 15:30.01 | Kero | it wants gllin 1.0 |
| 15:32.52 | Kero | looking in /home/root, where 1.0 is, but 1.1 is installed in / I don't believe that's going to help one bit. |
| 15:33.02 | PaulFertser | Kero: what's gpsd script? Why do you use it? |
| 15:33.54 | Kero | wiki page suggesting so |
| 15:34.08 | PaulFertser | Kero: it's most probably wrong |
| 15:34.18 | PaulFertser | Kero: or inaccurate |
| 15:36.16 | Kero | either way, gllin seems only packaged in 3rdparty.downloads, and neither 1.0 nor 1.1 runs. |
| 15:36.28 | Kero | if you know of another place where it's packaged, please tell me. |
| 15:36.51 | PaulFertser | Kero: ok, wait a moment |
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| 15:47.49 | PaulFertser | Kero: hm, right, it looks like SHR doesn't package it. |
| 15:48.11 | PaulFertser | Kero: but i know for sure there exists some sane packaging that is SHR-compatible. |
| 15:48.31 | PaulFertser | Kero: have you checked shr-wiki? |
| 15:49.10 | Kero | it's getting worse,, om.py that should do some things, mentions GTA02Device only. |
| 15:49.15 | Kero | i'll check that wiki, too. |
| 15:49.21 | Kero | google does not really help. |
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| 15:52.55 | Kero | very cryptic: http://wiki.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/268 |
| 15:54.30 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: can you please review this: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/battery_q_and_a.txt |
| 15:54.34 | PaulFertser | Others are welcome too! |
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| 15:55.42 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 15:56.22 | PaulFertser | Kero: you're not interested in gpsd |
| 15:56.47 | PaulFertser | Kero: you want gllin work with ogpsd |
| 15:59.49 | SpeedEvil | A: LiIon batteries don't like to be kept fully charged, so the charger stops as soon as charging current becomes less than threshold. This does not mean the battery is being discharged - simply not charged anymore. |
| 15:59.59 | PaulFertser | Kero: http://totalueberwachung.de/blog/2008/10/10/gps-on-gta01 |
| 16:00.39 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: I can't see any obvious stupid errors |
| 16:03.29 | lindi- | PaulFertser: that should really be put to kernel Documentation directory :) |
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| 16:04.01 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: ok i'll add a note that it will be discharged if GSM is on. |
| 16:04.19 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: thanks for the review. :D |
| 16:04.33 | PaulFertser | lindi-: hehe :) |
| 16:08.27 | PaulFertser | Added another question: |
| 16:08.27 | PaulFertser | Q: I have several compatible batteries. What are the storage |
| 16:08.27 | PaulFertser | requirements for them? |
| 16:08.27 | PaulFertser | A: Keep in a dry cool place charged to no more than 75%. |
| 16:09.14 | Kero | PaulFertser: erm. that states it should just work. it doesn't. I can't get /dev/ttySAC1 to produce a single byte of info. |
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| 16:09.48 | PaulFertser | Kero: why do you think that cat /dev/ttySAC1 should work with gllin? |
| 16:10.09 | Kero | tango does not see anything either. |
| 16:10.48 | Kero | probably because I have such a /dev entry? |
| 16:11.06 | PaulFertser | Kero: tango needs fso-gpsd emulation which will communicate with ogpsd. I recommend to use ogpsd directly, i think some SHR app can do that. |
| 16:12.02 | PaulFertser | Kero: and to look at frameworkd logs. |
| 16:12.04 | Kero | and still, I can not get `ps ax | grep gllin` to show any gllin running. |
| 16:14.51 | PaulFertser | Kero: do you understand any programming language? |
| 16:15.02 | PaulFertser | Kero: if yes, you just read ogpsd source which is python. |
| 16:18.49 | Kero | should be able to read that. |
| 16:23.29 | PaulFertser | Kero: i'm a c programmer but i easily understand frameworkd sources, so go ahead. Probably it's the fastest way to get everthing working. |
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| 16:31.33 | Kero | gllinchannel tries to start /etc/init.d/gllin. which I have in gllin 1.1 package, but segfaults. |
| 16:32.43 | Kero | i'll have to see that that's actually the channel used. |
| 16:35.14 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5367 10/developers/werner/fped/ (14 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:35.14 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - the current frame is now drawn on top of the current items, to emphasize |
| 16:35.14 | CIA-54 | openmoko: access to the frame's origin |
| 16:35.14 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - measurement text is now scaled to the size of the arrow |
| 16:35.14 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - pad names are now shown on canvas |
| 16:35.15 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added eval_unit for the various distance expressions in obj.c |
| 16:35.19 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - silk screen items now have an optional width |
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| 17:24.26 | Amorphous | hi. my freerunner with om2008 became somewhat reluctant with showing up (in dmesg) as a usb device when connecting it to my desktop. (it only sometimes shows up and needs quite some time at that.) anyone any idea for a workaround or how to find the exact fault? |
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| 17:25.27 | lindi- | Amorphous: what did you change? |
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| 17:25.49 | lindi- | Amorphous: does it show up immediately when u-boot is running? |
| 17:27.07 | Amorphous | lindi-, i think a) desktop debian oldstable->stable distry upgrade + 2.6.30 kernel b) om2008 upgrade but i'm not really sure if any of those are at fault, because i only recently noticed it |
| 17:27.25 | lindi- | Amorphous: got backups? |
| 17:27.38 | Amorphous | also i already could observe the same problem on other desktops |
| 17:28.37 | Amorphous | lindi-, what use would a backup be in this case? |
| 17:28.56 | Amorphous | is trying with u-boot |
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| 17:29.34 | lindi- | Amorphous: you could test with old version to verify it is a regression |
| 17:30.48 | Amorphous | no i don't think i have a recent enough backup of the full system. |
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| 17:31.59 | lindi- | Amorphous: any old backup will do |
| 17:32.49 | Amorphous | lindi-, the nor u-boot has the same problem |
| 17:33.06 | Amorphous | it should connect directly after starting, right? |
| 17:33.15 | Amorphous | without me needing to select anything? |
| 17:33.44 | Amorphous | (it's too long since i last flashed my neo, so i forgot...) |
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| 17:36.11 | zlfita | do you know where I can find a flashable NOR image for FR A5 |
| 17:36.29 | SpeedEvil | You have a debug board? |
| 17:36.58 | zlfita | no, but I'll either buy one or hack my FR's board |
| 17:37.28 | zlfita | short the NOR WP pin to ground |
| 17:37.29 | lindi- | Amorphous: it should |
| 17:37.33 | lindi- | Amorphous: broken cable? |
| 17:37.44 | Amorphous | mh... |
| 17:37.55 | lindi- | Amorphous: broken desktop configuration? |
| 17:38.02 | lindi- | Amorphous: those are pretty much the only options |
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| 17:38.04 | Amorphous | or broken freerunner hw |
| 17:38.22 | SpeedEvil | zfiwhy: |
| 17:39.27 | Amorphous | broken desktop would mean that the problem also exists in ubuntu lts, debian stable and over at least 2 different kernel versions |
| 17:39.46 | Amorphous | wonders how to check if this cable is broken |
| 17:39.50 | SpeedEvil | hammer |
| 17:41.37 | Amorphous | lindi-, the interesting thing is that it reliably starts charging from usb |
| 17:42.00 | zlfita | my NOR came blank so I need an image to flash it |
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| 17:43.44 | PaulFertser | zlfita: still can't find the image? |
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| 17:44.15 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r74528d0cdab7 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/ (fsobasics-2.0.vapi logger.vala smartkeyfile.vala): libfsobasics: logger: add missing reprdelegate for syslog logger |
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| 17:45.17 | zlfita | PaulFertser: everything points back to the wiki page with the broken link |
| 17:45.41 | PaulFertser | zlfita: hm, let me try... |
| 17:45.48 | zlfita | myabe some helpful lad can dd /dev/nor > img for me |
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| 17:46.28 | PaulFertser | zlfita: ha, it's fairly easy then |
| 17:48.44 | PaulFertser | zlfita: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/gta02/nor-uboot.img |
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| 17:50.02 | zlfita | PaulFertser: thanks pal, I'll try ass soon as possible |
| 17:50.22 | zlfita | oops, typo |
| 17:50.24 | PaulFertser | zlfita: hehe |
| 17:50.28 | PaulFertser | I'd not recommend trying ass |
| 17:50.32 | PaulFertser | Though... |
| 17:50.38 | PaulFertser | Probably you'll like it, who knows. |
| 17:50.47 | PaulFertser | zlfita: do you have a dboard? |
| 17:51.03 | zlfita | no, I might buy one |
| 17:51.17 | PaulFertser | zlfita: there's no need to buy a dboard if you want to simply flash NOR. |
| 17:51.34 | zlfita | I know, we talked on mailig list |
| 17:51.48 | PaulFertser | zlfita: so that was you :) |
| 17:51.51 | PaulFertser | zlfita: nice to meet you |
| 17:52.08 | PaulFertser | zlfita: why are you still considering buying a devboard? To debug other arm stuff? |
| 17:52.29 | PaulFertser | zlfita: beware, more and more arm boards use lower voltage, and our dboard is 3.3V only iirc. |
| 17:53.01 | zlfita | PaulFertser: nice to meet you too. I'm planning to start playing some embedded devices |
| 17:53.27 | zlfita | PaulFertser: an OM dboard seems like a good generel purpose device |
| 17:53.33 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libgsm0710mux * r56106d5728ce 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): require libfsobasics and start converting all debug output to FSO logger |
| 17:54.05 | PaulFertser | zlfita: hm, it's simply a double USB<->UART/GPIO converter |
| 17:54.16 | zlfita | PaulFertser: like my mighty-easy-to-brick gp2x |
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| 17:55.04 | zlfita | PaulFertser: I know, but I also need to falsh my nor. now if I can succesfully hack my board, I won't probably buy it |
| 17:55.06 | PaulFertser | zlfita: you can buy FT232RQ for $5 and solder it yourself. You'll get 8 GPIO lines controllable over usb. Or a real UART port if you want it. |
| 17:56.25 | zlfita | PaulFertser: thanks again for the tip, now I'll look for a suitable gnd point and try to solder a wire without screwing anything up |
| 17:56.40 | zlfita | not now but as soon as I have time and access to the lab |
| 17:57.13 | PaulFertser | zlfita: do not overheat the TP :) |
| 17:58.00 | zlfita | PaulFertser: I usually suck at soldering so will try to be extremely careful |
| 17:58.16 | zlfita | or throw â¬300 to garbage |
| 17:59.08 | PaulFertser | zlfita: hehe. When you want to try to solder FT232R it'll be even harder, ~0.7mm between pins ;) |
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| 18:00.36 | zlfita | PaulFertser: damn, but anyway, I need to learn this sh*t, even with my DEX score of 3 |
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| 18:05.49 | PaulFertser | zlfita: what's dex score? |
| 18:06.30 | zlfita | PaulFertser: sorry, just a reference to roleplaying games, dex for dexterity |
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| 18:10.12 | SpeedEvil | http://b3ta.com/questions/mobiles/post494464 genius |
| 18:11.16 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: rofl |
| 18:12.25 | zlfita | SpeedEvil: every single of them deserved it, hehe |
| 18:14.21 | PaulFertser | zlfita: i once managed to switch random mp3 player i borrowed from my chinese classmate to english. Wasn't that hard :) |
| 18:15.19 | DocScrutinizer | idiots. it's written in the hoax itself how to reset the language, isn't it? just do the steps more slowly until you reach a list to select whatever lang you like |
| 18:16.16 | zlfita | PaulFertser: no, I actually I used to use my old cell in Spanish(I'm turkish) just to freak others out |
| 18:16.17 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: do you read community? Wolfgang asks whether they should go for CC in the next model of their nanonote or whatever it called. |
| 18:16.51 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, don't get it. |
| 18:17.16 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: they're currently using a dumb battery |
| 18:17.32 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: but they consider adding a CC in the next revision. He asks whether it worth it. |
| 18:18.38 | DocScrutinizer | hah, I'm not particualrly interested in that, as long as Wolfgang isn't interested in my contribution |
| 18:19.24 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yeah, i perfectly understand that. |
| 18:20.11 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i think they should just contact you in PM and make an offer. |
| 18:20.22 | PaulFertser | So yes, i not only understand but also agree. |
| 18:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | I offered contribution on a regular formal basis yesterday, unpaid for now as Wolf claimed there's no money. No reaction til now |
| 18:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: and Freerunner was fun in the beginning, so I got myself involved on ML. Nanonote is rather boring to me |
| 18:25.25 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: do not they plan on seriously evolving hardware? |
| 18:26.11 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
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| 18:26.33 | PaulFertser | Well, let's see how it turns out... |
| 18:27.26 | SpeedEvil | I personally don't see the benefit of charge metering for something that's rarely getting its battery changed. |
| 18:27.52 | SpeedEvil | Do it in software - and save the $1/battery or so |
| 18:28.37 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: but all advanced device have advanced hardware battery meters. |
| 18:30.03 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 18:30.43 | SpeedEvil | It makes the battery driver writing lots easier. |
| 18:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | do that in mainboard hw anyway. As there's more benefit in a widely common bat formfactor than in a smart introspective proprietary bat |
| 18:32.17 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil's first comment was to the point |
| 18:34.29 | SpeedEvil | Though there is the alternate option of designing it so you can install a charge meter, or leave it out, and if the software meter is OK - or develops OK - you leave it out. |
| 18:34.38 | geaaru | hi, i'm trying to use gllin with milestone 5.5 image for gta01... when probably isn't found some libraries because gllin application go to segfault |
| 18:35.01 | geaaru | with strace i see this: writev(2, [{"/usr/share/gllin/bin/gllin", 26}, {": ", 2}, {"error while loading shared libraries", 36}, {": ", 2}, {"/usr/share/gllin/bin/gllin", 26}, {": ", 2}, {"cannot open shared object file", 30}, {": ", 2}, {"Error 4", 7}, {"\n", 1}], 10) = 2 |
| 18:35.43 | geaaru | but i haven't ldd and i can't see what is library lost, any idea? |
| 18:36.14 | SpeedEvil | back in the mists of time, gllin used to be loaded in a chroot I think. |
| 18:36.26 | SpeedEvil | maybe tha'td work. |
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| 18:43.48 | Kero | geaaru: strange, I get that on SHR, but it works for me on FSO 5.5 (yes, gta01) |
| 18:45.09 | Kero | the "library" is /usr/share/gllin/bin/gllin itself |
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| 18:48.32 | Kero | $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./lib ldd bin/gllin |
| 18:48.33 | Kero | /bin/sh: relocation error: /bin/sh: symbol __gnu_Unwind_Find_exidx, version GLIBC_2.4 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 18:49.15 | Kero | that's the first useful debug output that I see. |
| 18:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | MUUUHAAHAAAAAA, iPhone 3GS now with COPY&PASTE |
| 18:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | increeeeeeeeeeeedible |
| 18:57.31 | zlfita | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/holy_shit_iphone2.gif |
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| 19:02.19 | Kero | ah, no. that's for ldd itself :( |
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| 19:42.27 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5368 10/developers/werner/fped/ (coord.c fpd.y inst.c obj.c obj.h): |
| 19:42.27 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - widths can now be edited |
| 19:42.27 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - when selecting a measurement, the offset is now shown in the name field |
| 19:42.27 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - fixed integer overflow in dist_line_xy |
| 19:43.04 | badcloud | the nokia n97 doesn't look half bad |
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| 19:45.07 | geaaru | here i come... i haven't ldd |
| 19:45.15 | badcloud | once you nix symbian and install something normal on it |
| 19:46.32 | geaaru | Kero: could be a problem with kernel? because i use kernel 2.6.29 with fso 5.5 because 2.6.24 doesn't start from sd |
| 19:46.54 | geaaru | where i can found a ipkg for ldd to install manually ? |
| 19:46.58 | geaaru | is there? |
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| 19:54.50 | Kero | geaaru: could be. 2.6.29-rc3 on SHR for me. |
| 19:55.48 | geaaru | ah k, thanks.. it's strange |
| 19:55.58 | Kero | I should be able to boot 2.6.24 on SHR in order to confirm |
| 19:56.35 | PaulFertser | Kero: can you do "zgrep OABI /proc/config.gz" |
| 19:56.38 | PaulFertser | Kero: please |
| 19:57.21 | PaulFertser | geaaru: or you |
| 19:57.38 | PaulFertser | There was a problem with SHR that the kernels had OABI compatibility disabled. |
| 19:58.02 | geaaru | i haven't zgrep ... with grep instead no matching |
| 19:58.42 | PaulFertser | geaaru: grep is not ok. You need zcat /proc/config.gz | grep OABI |
| 19:59.01 | PaulFertser | geaaru: and if you lack zcat, you need to gzip -dc /proc/config.gz | grep OABI iirc. |
| 19:59.06 | geaaru | zcat /proc/config.gz | grep OABI |
| 19:59.06 | geaaru | # CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT is not set |
| 19:59.17 | ndnihil | ldd - 2.6.1-r16 - glibc: print shared library dependencies |
| 19:59.25 | ndnihil | `opkg install ldd` |
| 19:59.32 | ndnihil | should do it no? |
| 19:59.49 | PaulFertser | geaaru: that sucks :( |
| 19:59.59 | geaaru | :'( |
| 20:00.15 | PaulFertser | geaaru: wait, i'll ask shr guys ;) |
| 20:00.27 | geaaru | thanks |
| 20:00.41 | PaulFertser | geaaru: have you run opkg update/upgrade since you installed the image? |
| 20:01.10 | geaaru | ndnihil: can you supply me repository url? i have installed default milestone5 url from rootfs image |
| 20:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | zgrep? |
| 20:01.26 | ndnihil | ah, this is from shr-unstable repo |
| 20:01.33 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yes, there's a tool to grep in gzipped images ;) |
| 20:01.47 | PaulFertser | geaaru: you mean that you use FSO5.5? |
| 20:01.52 | geaaru | yes |
| 20:01.52 | PaulFertser | geaaru: demo image? |
| 20:01.58 | PaulFertser | geaaru: hm, no support for that one |
| 20:02.04 | ndnihil | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ |
| 20:02.11 | PaulFertser | geaaru: also it uses 2.6.24 for gta01 which is not supported too. |
| 20:02.16 | DocScrutinizer | better than zcat|grep maybe ;) |
| 20:02.51 | PaulFertser | Kero: the result of the command with .29 is still worth obtaining. |
| 20:02.53 | geaaru | yes, i know, in fact i use kernel 2.6.29 from shr image, because 2.6.24 doesn't support boot from sd |
| 20:03.00 | PaulFertser | geaaru: ah |
| 20:03.04 | PaulFertser | geaaru: i'll bug shr guys then |
| 20:03.21 | geaaru | uname -a |
| 20:03.21 | geaaru | Linux om-gta01 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jul 3 17:49:20 CEST 2009 armv4tl unknown |
| 20:03.55 | ndnihil | did you install the matching modules? |
| 20:04.07 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: he lacks OABI, modules can't help here |
| 20:04.11 | ndnihil | oh |
| 20:04.16 | ndnihil | sorry, I just woke up :) |
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| 20:05.35 | geaaru | another thing, on my gta01 i have a bad bad bug, when i use gsm and before i called normal shutdown function gsm doesn't work |
| 20:06.03 | geaaru | it's work only when i open my gta01 and removed battery before restart |
| 20:06.04 | Kero | PaulFertser: will try later |
| 20:06.40 | PaulFertser | geaaru: 3 Jul? |
| 20:06.47 | PaulFertser | geaaru: try the today's kernel |
| 20:07.27 | PaulFertser | geaaru: (gsm) frameworkd bug, will be fixed soon. |
| 20:07.53 | geaaru | frameworkd bug from shr image? or fso? |
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| 20:08.35 | PaulFertser | geaaru: doesn't matter, SHR uses fso. |
| 20:09.24 | Kero | confirmed, with kernel 2.6.24 gllin works. |
| 20:09.46 | geaaru | ah k, but i can't update my fso image or i can't... i haven't repository url set correctly with fso 5.5 |
| 20:10.19 | PaulFertser | Kero: just update the kernel to the latest unstable (today's) |
| 20:10.40 | PaulFertser | Kero: 12.7. mrmoku sent the mail that its fixed |
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| 20:10.56 | PaulFertser | Kero: so it is fixed, you just lack a modern enough kernel |
| 20:11.11 | PaulFertser | geaaru: you better use SHR, fso image is _demo_. |
| 20:11.18 | Kero | aha. so I just need a more recent 2.6.29 kernel. |
| 20:12.06 | Kero | been trying too many strace, ldd and whatever incantations that showed nothing, turns out I need another kernel. What's the bug or at least what's the fix? |
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| 20:12.15 | geaaru | k, i will go to shr image... thank you very much for support... can i update kernel to flash from gta01 shell? how can i do that? |
| 20:12.36 | Kero | oabi iguess |
| 20:12.39 | PaulFertser | Kero: the fix is to enable OABI in kernel config... It got disabled by misfortune. |
| 20:12.53 | chocotuar | is there a pyqt package for fso anywhere? I'm trying to install auimd on top of fso-console, and I want to know if it's possible... |
| 20:13.24 | PaulFertser | geaaru: yes, you can |
| 20:13.36 | PaulFertser | geaaru: but you can as well fuck up your u-boot if you use the wrong mtd partition ;) |
| 20:14.26 | geaaru | k, i will use standard dfu-util mode :) |
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| 20:14.53 | Ddorda | what is the difference between A7 and A6+Buzz fix? |
| 20:15.21 | Ddorda | it would be better for me to buy the A7 or the A6+Buzz fix? |
| 20:15.53 | chocotuar | I know a7 has the buzzfix, so just get a7 if they're the same price |
| 20:16.21 | Ddorda | they're not |
| 20:16.31 | Ddorda | A7 is 100$ more |
| 20:16.51 | chocotuar | wow, I dunno what the difference is |
| 20:17.12 | chocotuar | I have a5+buzzfix and it works fine |
| 20:17.56 | PaulFertser | Ddorda: no difference |
| 20:18.09 | Ddorda | PaulFertser: not at all? |
| 20:18.52 | PaulFertser | Ddorda: there might be some slight irrelevant differences. |
| 20:19.03 | chocotuar | yeah, I doubt it's worth $100 |
| 20:19.30 | PaulFertser | Ddorda: e.g. my A6 doesn't have useless caps in the earpiece path and all A7s do have them. |
| 20:19.41 | Kero | PaulFertser: which mail, or which feed is that kernel in? ipkg upgrade gives me the kernel I already have (md5sum matches) |
| 20:19.49 | PaulFertser | Kero: are you on unstable? |
| 20:20.01 | Ddorda | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.11 | Kero | PaulFertser: yeah |
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| 20:20.39 | PaulFertser | Kero: take a look here: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta01/ |
| 20:20.54 | PaulFertser | Ddorda: yes, unneed caps that just lower the sound volume. |
| 20:21.43 | Ddorda | PaulFertser: okay, thanks! |
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| 20:24.02 | geaaru | kernel upgraded :) |
| 20:24.03 | geaaru | zcat /proc/config.gz | grep OABI |
| 20:24.04 | geaaru | CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT=y |
| 20:24.52 | PaulFertser | geaaru: kewl |
| 20:25.28 | geaaru | it is normal? gllin: early exit(3) in halInit()/681 |
| 20:26.01 | PaulFertser | geaaru: hm, i don't remember, that sounds like some known issue... Probably even harmless. |
| 20:26.14 | Kero | PaulFertser: too obvious a place :) |
| 20:26.20 | Kero | geaaru: yeah, does that for me too |
| 20:26.21 | SpeedEvil | IIRC rerunning it again will make it work - gllin |
| 20:27.27 | PaulFertser | Kero: geaaru: you'd listen to SpeedEvil, he's the guy who actually used gllin, unlike me. ;) |
| 20:27.29 | Kero | SpeedEvil: gllin 1.0 ran twice, indeed. don't think 1.1 does that, but despite the exit, it keeps going? |
| 20:27.46 | SpeedEvil | Kero: k |
| 20:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: got Ur mail. Could you attach complete logs for both cases please - the problem might start much earlier with framework possibly doing different init for the 2 SIMs |
| 20:28.56 | geaaru | i rerunning /etc/init.d/gllin script but no changes...only changes on test_cmd_receive_count counter |
| 20:29.37 | Kero | off we go, Settings window Manual + On and I see stuff. |
| 20:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: I.E. some config command may fail on one of the SIMs |
| 20:29.50 | PaulFertser | geaaru: it should run in the background, then you just use GPS |
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| 20:31.10 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: original mail to om.org bounced, that's why you only got it today, sorry. I actually have both logs still. |
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| 20:32.01 | geaaru | yes, i'm on zhone interface... but i haven't fix |
| 20:32.09 | Kero | whoa, I have GPS fix indoors! I had huge trouble getting 3 satellites with FSO 5.5 today, in the park. You'd wonder if something else got fixed with kernel 24->29 |
| 20:32.52 | geaaru | i try to go out... be right back |
| 20:32.53 | geaaru | :) |
| 20:33.26 | PaulFertser | Kero: unlikely, probably it's just that chip new almanac already from your previous attempts. |
| 20:33.33 | PaulFertser | knew |
| 20:35.39 | Kero | possibly. I'm slightly sceptic about that, as I haven't been outside since I list tried FSO5.5 when it hardly had 2 sats on my balcony, and now I have 5 inside. |
| 20:36.16 | PaulFertser | Kero: do you have percentages in your battery gadget? |
| 20:36.19 | Kero | but I don't care. it works now. and I even understand why (though I'd love to have nicer error messages from ld-linux) |
| 20:36.33 | DocScrutinizer | so be happy. Sats don't lie ;-) |
| 20:36.37 | Kero | PaulFertser: nope no /sys/class/sthing/bat/capacity |
| 20:36.38 | PaulFertser | Kero: btw, since you upgraded the kernel, don't forget to update the modules from the tarball! |
| 20:36.54 | Kero | or actally. new kernel. |
| 20:37.05 | PaulFertser | Kero: new kernel, exactly |
| 20:37.14 | Kero | it does. 100% should be correct. |
| 20:37.14 | PaulFertser | Kero: should include my patches :) |
| 20:37.19 | Kero | been charging all day. |
| 20:37.42 | Kero | oh, charge_full |
| 20:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | and charge_now |
| 20:37.57 | PaulFertser | Kero: i needed to add that to make E batget happy :( |
| 20:38.17 | Kero | battery does not provide it? |
| 20:38.37 | PaulFertser | Kero: charge_full is fake constant (corresponding to old models of bl-5c). |
| 20:38.43 | Kero | does not know enough about what vlues batteries provide these days. |
| 20:38.44 | DocScrutinizer | bat doesn't provide anything except energy for 01 |
| 20:38.59 | PaulFertser | Kero: please see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers |
| 20:39.09 | Kero | only done a mapping of A/D converted voltage to a percentage on iPaq, loooong time ago |
| 20:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | *grin* |
| 20:39.28 | PaulFertser | was waiting for this time where he can easily pass a link without answering the same questions again and again :D |
| 20:39.47 | Kero | hehe |
| 20:40.29 | Kero | that looong time, when /proc/apm was the only availble thing. says -1% on my Neo, tsk :) |
| 20:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | considering a "links" section on wiki/user:joerg |
| 20:40.36 | PaulFertser | Now shower and then writing a page about FSO resources. |
| 20:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | coooooooooool |
| 20:41.35 | DocScrutinizer | please don't miss to request lsar (ls-allocated-resources) tool ;-) |
| 20:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | shower as well |
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| 20:51.50 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: you got the logs. |
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| 20:53.19 | geaaru | what means (from dmesg): rxerr: port=1 ch=0x00, rxs=0x0000000e ? |
| 20:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | frame/parity error on port1 tty, I'd guess |
| 20:57.12 | DocScrutinizer | or, more likely, break detected as ch=0 (wild guessing) |
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| 21:02.16 | DocScrutinizer | break condition is commonly triggered on peripheral device powered down (data pulled low for extended period) |
| 21:04.41 | Kero | it really starts gllin automatically. nice! |
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| 21:12.54 | alphaone | Kero: yup, it does :-) |
| 21:13.59 | alphaone | Kero: What are you using? |
| 21:14.27 | PaulFertser | alphaone: SHR unstable |
| 21:14.54 | PaulFertser | alphaone: what about fixing that little bug with ogsmd not sending AT@POFF on closing? ;) |
| 21:15.00 | PaulFertser | alphaone: gta01 really needs that. |
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| 21:19.04 | Kero | alphaone: all 3 lines PaulFertser just said! |
| 21:19.32 | Kero | I've been harassing him and DocScrutinizer for the entire weekend :) but making good progress thanks to them. |
| 21:21.42 | PaulFertser | Kero: fyi alphaone is the guy whose blog you read. |
| 21:22.26 | feugan3333 | Hi all. Is this the right place to ask for help about installing android on my freerunner? |
| 21:22.53 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: no, you'll got laughed at and publically humilated. |
| 21:22.55 | max_posedon | right, but #freerunner-android much better |
| 21:23.08 | max_posedon | (or #android-freerunner) |
| 21:23.09 | feugan3333 | Ah, ok thanks |
| 21:23.21 | alphaone | feugan3333: The other way around we'd help you :-) |
| 21:23.35 | alphaone | Installing SHR on the HTC Dream |
| 21:23.56 | feugan3333 | Ah :) Wish I had one of those. |
| 21:24.09 | PaulFertser | alphaone: is there any progress to get at least GSM calls working? |
| 21:24.22 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: you wished you had that shit? OMFG |
| 21:25.00 | PaulFertser | alphaone: i've read sound driver sources and it seems that a little kernel calls tracing while android is running is pretty much enough to get at least sound going. |
| 21:25.16 | alphaone | PaulFertser: I read that as well |
| 21:25.32 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, What's wrong with it? |
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| 21:25.44 | alphaone | Haven't really done anything beyond putting a gta02 image on the dream yet, though |
| 21:25.53 | alphaone | Tomorrow some hacking with stefan |
| 21:28.05 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: with wanting to have a fucked up closed on purpose requiring proprietary binaries device? Nothing, really. |
| 21:28.53 | Kero | PaulFertser: the entry that is entirely correct now that I have a kernel with oabi, you mean ;) |
| 21:29.17 | PaulFertser | Kero: yeah |
| 21:29.57 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, but the device can run Android which is mostly open. Is it not? |
| 21:30.31 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: it is mostly open but needs some very closed parts to be actually usable on HTC Dream. |
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| 21:30.48 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: also you need quite some dirty tricks to become root. |
| 21:31.05 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, Ok, I see |
| 21:31.28 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, It's a bit evil of google :) |
| 21:32.19 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: and of telecom companies too. |
| 21:32.51 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, Agreed |
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| 21:46.51 | Kero | alphaone: earlier today I could read your blog. Now I have DNS troubles. totalueberwachung.de, right? |
| 21:47.18 | alphaone | Kero: Yeah, I'm just noticing it as well |
| 21:48.32 | alphaone | Kero: Should work again |
| 21:49.10 | Kero | indeed. |
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| 22:00.14 | PaulFertser | Kero: " earlier today I could read your blog. Now I have DNS troubles." <-- looks like an accustation ;) |
| 22:02.12 | PaulFertser | Now everyone who asks "omg i installed SHR it's so cool but where my eth0 disappered, how to enable wifi?" will be sent to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources |
| 22:02.37 | tobii_ | ;D |
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| 22:05.32 | tobii_ | that will be 3 or more times a day |
| 22:05.33 | tobii_ | :) |
| 22:05.56 | azaghal | Any suggestions on what I'd need to alter to have Mer running using multiple partitions (got one for /boot, one for /, one for /home, and one for swap) |
| 22:06.20 | azaghal | I've edited /etc/fstab so far, made adjustments so qi can see the kernel in /boot as well. |
| 22:06.45 | lindi- | azaghal: why so many partitions? |
| 22:07.10 | azaghal | Well, basically, I want data seprated from installation. |
| 22:07.19 | azaghal | As for /boot, thought it was a good idea at the time. |
| 22:07.36 | azaghal | That's on an 8GB uSD card too, so it has plenty of space. |
| 22:07.38 | lindi- | azaghal: and swap? |
| 22:07.52 | PaulFertser | tobii_: i hope you'll help me |
| 22:08.04 | azaghal | Just in case :) |
| 22:08.18 | lindi- | azaghal: i mean you can have swap file too |
| 22:08.19 | azaghal | And for possible hibernate. |
| 22:08.33 | azaghal | I'm used to having swap on separate partition, to be honest. |
| 22:08.44 | lindi- | has anybody ever done hibernate on freerunner btw? ;) |
| 22:09.16 | lindi- | there might be some bugs lurking around |
| 22:09.51 | azaghal | No idea, but I might try it at some point. Using the shr on flash image as a phone, and testing the uSD (I'll probably settle for Debian with LXDE on it in the end) |
| 22:10.19 | TAsn | <PaulFertser> Ddorda: e.g. my A6 doesn't have useless caps in the earpiece path and all A7s do have them. |
| 22:10.36 | TAsn | PaulFertser, when you wrote caps you meant capacitors, right? |
| 22:10.43 | PaulFertser | TAsn: yes |
| 22:10.58 | TAsn | was just making sure. |
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| 22:11.37 | azaghal | Ah... Might need the root= kernel :P |
| 22:11.39 | azaghal | I forgot. |
| 22:12.01 | TAsn | PaulFertser, so there's no such thing as buzz fix? |
| 22:13.03 | PaulFertser | TAsn: caps in the earpiece path are completely unrelated to the buzzfix. They were in some A5 models, then disapperead for some A6, then reappeared for some A7 :-/ |
| 22:13.17 | TAsn | lol ;\ |
| 22:13.20 | azaghal | lol |
| 22:13.34 | azaghal | How's that 48h -> 148h patch going, btw? |
| 22:13.37 | PaulFertser | TAsn: to answer your question: no, there's such a thing as buzzfix, ultimately useful. A7 has it factory-made. |
| 22:13.50 | PaulFertser | azaghal: please clarify |
| 22:14.05 | azaghal | The hardware fix which is supposed to solve the deep sleep issues of GSM? |
| 22:14.23 | PaulFertser | azaghal: it's fine. 100% successful reports with that. |
| 22:14.56 | azaghal | Great. Good thing we've got some skillful people in company I work at to apply it :) |
| 22:15.24 | PaulFertser | azaghal: be careful dismounting the can. |
| 22:15.33 | azaghal | Can? |
| 22:15.40 | PaulFertser | azaghal: shield |
| 22:15.53 | PaulFertser | azaghal: and find some nice 22uF 0805 ceramic capacitor. |
| 22:16.02 | azaghal | Thanks |
| 22:16.07 | azaghal | Will do |
| 22:16.16 | azaghal | PaulFertser: You got it applied on yours as well? |
| 22:16.45 | PaulFertser | azaghal: yes, actually alphaone did the soldering. |
| 22:16.52 | TAsn | PaulFertser, thanks. |
| 22:17.23 | azaghal | PaulFertser: So what's your standby time and working time now? |
| 22:17.38 | azaghal | If I got it correctly deep sleep will save power even when device is normally working? |
| 22:17.45 | PaulFertser | azaghal: i've never measured, that's my only cellphone. |
| 22:17.50 | azaghal | Ah :) |
| 22:18.10 | PaulFertser | azaghal: when device is working the benefits of deep sleep are neglegible. |
| 22:18.23 | azaghal | I see. |
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| 22:21.16 | azaghal | Hm... I like Mer's setup-on-first-boot thing. |
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| 22:25.23 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5369 10/trunk/gta02-core/io.sch: more vibrator cleanup |
| 22:34.27 | rooly | hur hur, cleaning the vibrator...what'd you use it for? |
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| 23:07.10 | Daramarak | Hi, I have installed newest testing, and I am experiencing that my /media/card is mounted as read-only is this normal? |
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| 23:23.23 | Psi | SpeedEvil: re : leaked info. yeah |
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| 23:23.58 | Psi | i have pondered getting some stock but its pretty annoying what you have to go through when outside the usa |
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| 23:29.34 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 23:30.47 | SpeedEvil | Also - hte prices they're claiming (not costs) - $100/KWh - at that price - I'd be buying 4KWh - and load-shifting using cheap night-rate electricity. |
| 23:31.09 | SpeedEvil | Which'd also give a pretty good UPS :) |
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