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| 03:11.35 | daniel32708 | Guys I installed android (beta 7) and messed up the original bootloader. I want to go back to my previous OS, but I need to restore the bootloader (which android erased) , how can I do that? any help appreciated |
| 03:12.16 | jjwc | daniel32708: Assuming you have a Freerunner, check the Flashing your Freerunner page on teh wiki |
| 03:12.29 | jjwc | There should be a section about flashing uboot |
| 03:12.30 | daniel32708 | yeah i have a frerunner |
| 03:12.38 | daniel32708 | thx i will check |
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| 03:16.01 | daniel32708 | the flashing the frerunner wiki only talks about reflashing the bootloader in order to update it, but it needs to be inside the bootloader first... i cant do that cause i dont even have it |
| 03:16.21 | jjwc | daniel32708: there are two bootloaders |
| 03:16.32 | daniel32708 | uboot i think is the original one |
| 03:16.33 | jjwc | The "safety" is the one in the NOR backup |
| 03:16.36 | daniel32708 | the one it came with |
| 03:16.59 | jjwc | If you press and hold AUX and then press power, you will get into the backup bootloader. |
| 03:17.14 | jjwc | Now, you can connect your USB cable and flash the normal bootloader to your phone. |
| 03:21.16 | daniel32708 | that is if i could get into the aux+power meny |
| 03:21.17 | daniel32708 | menu |
| 03:21.20 | daniel32708 | i cant |
| 03:21.25 | daniel32708 | cause android deleted it |
| 03:23.13 | jjwc | (pasting 4 lines) |
| 03:23.17 | jjwc | Boot your Neo FreeRunner into the NOR uBoot menu for flashing. |
| 03:23.19 | jjwc | |
| 03:23.21 | jjwc | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.23 | jjwc | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.25 | jjwc | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.59 | jjwc | If that's not coming up then your NOR flash chip is bad... That has been reported in a very small number of freerunners from what I can tell. |
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| 03:56.25 | bug1 | hi all, i was on about 14 hours ago, tryign to resolve a power problem with my phone, i worked it out... |
| 03:57.12 | bug1 | i have 2 usb cables that ocnnect from my pc to my phone, it only works with 1 of them |
| 03:57.47 | bug1 | i didnt know there were different types of usb ->openmoko cables, i thought they were all straight connections |
| 03:58.32 | rooly | bug1: some cables don't have the right gauge to work |
| 03:58.45 | bug1 | too me a week trying to work it out... |
| 03:59.01 | rooly | you need to stick with standard cables\ |
| 03:59.04 | bug1 | hmm, you mean they cant handle the current ? |
| 03:59.10 | rooly | nothing like those that come with the crappy usb car charger kit |
| 03:59.40 | bug1 | the one that didnt work looks like the one that does work, onyl difference is its shorter, no special markings or anything |
| 04:00.50 | rooly | hmm |
| 04:00.52 | rooly | that's odd |
| 04:00.57 | rooly | maybe there is a break inside? |
| 04:01.16 | rooly | plug it into your machine and run dmesg |
| 04:01.26 | rooly | (you're on linux, right?) |
| 04:01.43 | bug1 | maybe, i also wondered if they had added some resistance to make it do something with the id or fast charging or whatever they do |
| 04:01.56 | bug1 | yes, linux, one sec |
| 04:02.12 | rooly | you should at least see something |
| 04:02.22 | rooly | specifically it should take about the device not being a modem |
| 04:02.56 | rooly | *talk |
| 04:03.06 | rooly | if not then the cable itself might not be any good |
| 04:03.11 | bug1 | you mean when i use the broken cable ? |
| 04:03.21 | rooly | yes |
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| 04:03.58 | rooly | i lied |
| 04:04.04 | rooly | it should talk about cdc_ether |
| 04:04.56 | bug1 | now i cant find the bad one, give me a few mins |
| 04:05.32 | Undrwater | rooly: are you using your phone daily? |
| 04:05.42 | rooly | i am |
| 04:05.44 | rooly | but i'm crazy |
| 04:05.47 | Undrwater | :D |
| 04:05.48 | rooly | shr-unstable |
| 04:05.57 | Undrwater | it's so damn close |
| 04:06.09 | Undrwater | i can't stand the separate phone modules tho |
| 04:06.32 | bug1 | hmm, cant ssh to it with the bad cable |
| 04:06.37 | rooly | i'm about to start writing my own phonegui using the framebuffer |
| 04:06.39 | Undrwater | bad cable |
| 04:06.47 | Undrwater | why fb? |
| 04:07.06 | rooly | cause it'll be faster with less memory usage than trying to use x and some toolkit |
| 04:07.12 | rooly | maybe in gtk with fb |
| 04:07.39 | Undrwater | i remember you had started working with 3d a while back...what ever happened with that? |
| 04:07.44 | rooly | well |
| 04:07.55 | bug1 | it shows that its charging via the bad cable, but cant connect or ping |
| 04:08.01 | rooly | it was a preferred rendering engine of mine |
| 04:08.07 | rooly | with a software renderer |
| 04:08.25 | rooly | the fastest i got it was about 16fps running at 240x320 |
| 04:08.37 | rooly | using a rabid culling software rasterizer |
| 04:08.41 | Undrwater | you've read raster's comments? |
| 04:08.52 | rooly | where? |
| 04:09.04 | Undrwater | he's made a few on the mailing list |
| 04:09.11 | rooly | about what |
| 04:09.19 | rooly | should subscribe to it |
| 04:09.25 | Undrwater | about the limitations of the glamo |
| 04:09.29 | rooly | oh yeah |
| 04:09.31 | rooly | glamo is a pos |
| 04:09.40 | rooly | i'm not interested in glamo |
| 04:09.50 | Undrwater | specifically where the bottleneck is |
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| 04:13.07 | bug1 | is glamo good enough to play movies ? |
| 04:13.17 | Slaxxer | 0721 shr-unstable? |
| 04:13.19 | SpeedEvil | The fundamental limit is that the link to the GPU is about a 7 megabyte/second bus. |
| 04:13.24 | rooly | Slaxxer: yeah |
| 04:13.28 | SpeedEvil | And at 3.5M - you're using 50% CPU |
| 04:13.43 | SpeedEvil | As it contends with the CPU |
| 04:13.43 | Slaxxer | i got the replacement screen |
| 04:13.55 | rooly | Slaxxer: is it just me, or did the 0721 shr-unstable break the neo theme |
| 04:14.15 | Slaxxer | well i have been out for a month |
| 04:14.38 | Slaxxer | neo-theme? |
| 04:15.35 | rooly | yeah |
| 04:15.39 | rooly | green & black |
| 04:15.40 | rooly | it's sexy |
| 04:15.43 | rooly | all matrixy |
| 04:15.48 | rooly | runs UBER fast |
| 04:15.53 | Slaxxer | not seen it i guess |
| 04:16.06 | rooly | its in the community updates section |
| 04:16.12 | Slaxxer | pervious jffs2 file? |
| 04:16.28 | rooly | ? |
| 04:17.22 | Slaxxer | link me |
| 04:19.16 | Slaxxer | i dont see it |
| 04:20.01 | Slaxxer | im blind |
| 04:20.27 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.54 | Slaxxer | http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.5/ |
| 04:22.01 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.13 | rooly | ? for neo-theme? |
| 04:22.16 | rooly | no |
| 04:22.20 | rooly | hold on, sorry |
| 04:22.23 | rooly | i was looking elsewhere |
| 04:22.50 | rooly | http://www.opkg.org/package_249.html |
| 04:24.10 | Slaxxer | did u reinstall? |
| 04:24.15 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.45 | rooly | nah, not yet |
| 04:24.47 | rooly | i'm about to try |
| 04:24.54 | rooly | they just updated it with a gtk theme |
| 04:24.58 | rooly | which is sexy awesome |
| 04:26.41 | ndnihil | I tried that theme |
| 04:26.49 | ndnihil | the whole neo set of themes |
| 04:26.53 | ndnihil | never got them to work |
| 04:27.18 | rooly | i got them to work on the shr-unstable 0717 |
| 04:27.39 | ndnihil | I'm on 0703 |
| 04:28.05 | Slaxxer | newer than 09 i believe it takes |
| 04:28.41 | ndnihil | **REQUIRES SHR UNSTABLE newer than june 15th*** |
| 04:28.53 | rooly | but i haven't managed to get it working on 0719 |
| 04:28.56 | rooly | or 0721 |
| 04:29.02 | ndnihil | I'm later than 0615 |
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| 04:52.50 | Slaxxer | Stuart Winter needs a freerunner |
| 05:03.17 | Undrwater | does the default handset.state file in shr-unstable work for most ppl? |
| 05:03.27 | Undrwater | or are folks changing it? |
| 05:04.41 | rooly | works for me |
| 05:04.44 | rooly | and it's loud enough |
| 05:05.13 | Undrwater | mine is really quiet |
| 05:05.20 | Undrwater | everything else is good... |
| 05:05.26 | Undrwater | other party hears me really clearly |
| 05:05.43 | Undrwater | speaker works well for me, but other party hears echo |
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| 05:12.49 | ndnihil | does anyone else have an empty /usr/share/libframeworkd-phonegui-efl/messages.edj ? |
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| 05:28.41 | daniel32708 | my problem is that I currently have the Qi bootloader (after installing android). I want to go back to the original Uboot bootloader. Qi doesnt even have a menu (the power+aux menu that comes up when you turn on the cell).... anyways, do any of you know how to flash Uboot back? |
| 05:28.57 | rooly | daniel32708: |
| 05:28.58 | rooly | yeah |
| 05:29.07 | rooly | hold down aux and then press your power button |
| 05:29.51 | daniel32708 | and then? |
| 05:30.01 | rooly | and then uboot should come up |
| 05:30.12 | rooly | unless you have a neo 973 |
| 05:30.15 | rooly | *1973 |
| 05:30.22 | rooly | then you're screwed without a debug board |
| 05:30.40 | daniel32708 | no dude |
| 05:30.45 | daniel32708 | i have the neofrerunner |
| 05:30.50 | rooly | okay |
| 05:30.54 | daniel32708 | the problem is that uboot is gone |
| 05:30.59 | daniel32708 | now i have Qi |
| 05:31.03 | rooly | you have 2 bootloaders in your phone |
| 05:31.06 | rooly | nor and nand |
| 05:31.25 | rooly | (i don't remember which is which but) one of the bootloaders is only accessible to a debug board |
| 05:31.38 | rooly | that is the one that comes up when you hold down aux and then press power |
| 05:31.49 | daniel32708 | ok |
| 05:31.52 | daniel32708 | thanks man |
| 05:31.53 | Slaxxer | then u see a menu |
| 05:31.56 | rooly | yes |
| 05:31.57 | daniel32708 | i managed to get the boot menu now |
| 05:32.05 | daniel32708 | thanx! |
| 05:32.11 | Slaxxer | flash u-boot |
| 05:32.19 | daniel32708 | how? |
| 05:32.35 | Slaxxer | did u flash qi on there? |
| 05:32.42 | rooly | sudo dfu-util -d 0x1d50:0x5119 -a u-boot -R -D /path/to/uboot.bin |
| 05:32.48 | daniel32708 | it automatically did when i installed android |
| 05:33.05 | Slaxxer | really? |
| 05:33.17 | daniel32708 | yep |
| 05:33.22 | daniel32708 | android is currently doing that |
| 05:33.22 | Slaxxer | automagic |
| 05:33.22 | rooly | Slaxxer: that's been a feature for android for a little while now |
| 05:33.25 | mwester | Isnt' that just vile? |
| 05:33.30 | daniel32708 | there is even a warning saying that on their wiki |
| 05:33.32 | mwester | what a horrible feature. |
| 05:33.39 | daniel32708 | i hate it... |
| 05:33.49 | Slaxxer | well |
| 05:33.56 | mwester | Especially since Android provides no instructions, much less a tool, to put the original bootloader back. |
| 05:34.05 | mwester | Foul, evil, vile... |
| 05:34.05 | rooly | mwester: the idea is for people who don't know how to use this device to be able to ...use the device... |
| 05:34.16 | mwester | rooly, that's a terrible justification. |
| 05:34.27 | daniel32708 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.33 | mwester | If they really belive that, then they would also provide a tool to put uboot back. |
| 05:34.33 | rooly | mwester: the iphone is a smartphone for people who don't know how to use a smartphone |
| 05:34.43 | Slaxxer | loolol |
| 05:35.01 | mwester | rooly, the iphone has nothing whatever to do with this. |
| 05:35.05 | rooly | right |
| 05:35.10 | rooly | but the justification is the same |
| 05:35.11 | daniel32708 | lol |
| 05:35.17 | mwester | No |
| 05:35.23 | rooly | do something for people who can't |
| 05:36.04 | mwester | The iphone was always closed, and an iphone. The FR was not -- it originally could run a standard uboot or qi, it is android that replaces that with a custom bootloader, with no docs to return it to original state. |
| 05:36.40 | rooly | thinks his message was misinterpreted |
| 05:36.45 | mwester | Android's installer does stuff to an open phone that makes it very difficult to recover it -- that's why daniel32708 is here. I rest my case. |
| 05:36.54 | mwester | Anyway, not going to argue. |
| 05:36.58 | mwester | later! |
| 05:37.00 | rooly | byez |
| 05:37.23 | rooly | btw, does anyone else not find android suitable as an 'everyday' phone like the koolu people claim? |
| 05:37.25 | daniel32708 | bye |
| 05:37.34 | daniel32708 | no way |
| 05:37.36 | daniel32708 | android sux |
| 05:37.40 | rooly | good |
| 05:37.46 | rooly | didn't think i was alone here |
| 05:37.49 | rooly | no suspend |
| 05:37.51 | rooly | no volume |
| 05:37.51 | daniel32708 | wifi and bluetooth are far far far from stable |
| 05:37.53 | rooly | no wifi |
| 05:37.55 | rooly | no bluetooth |
| 05:37.57 | rooly | no sms |
| 05:38.02 | daniel32708 | no sms |
| 05:38.04 | rooly | no speaker |
| 05:38.12 | rooly | barely able to connect |
| 05:38.26 | daniel32708 | and it doesnt even register you on the network, you gotta do it manually and many times cause it keeps giving errors |
| 05:39.05 | rooly | its practactically trash |
| 05:40.44 | daniel32708 | its trash |
| 05:40.45 | daniel32708 | lol |
| 05:40.50 | daniel32708 | how is FDOM? |
| 05:41.20 | rooly | iunno |
| 05:41.26 | rooly | haven't heard anything about it in months |
| 05:41.32 | rooly | last i used it, it was trash too |
| 05:42.26 | daniel32708 | which distro are u using? |
| 05:42.58 | rooly | shr-unstable 0721 |
| 05:43.16 | daniel32708 | is bluetooth and wifi working well? |
| 05:43.27 | rooly | ...wifi works for the most part |
| 05:43.33 | rooly | bluetooth...well...it turns ON |
| 05:43.40 | rooly | but it's not like there is any control software |
| 05:43.49 | ndnihil | FDOM is unbearable |
| 05:44.12 | ndnihil | I've done BT with shr-unstable |
| 05:44.20 | ndnihil | obex file transfer and whatnot |
| 05:44.20 | daniel32708 | fdom apparentl doesnt not initialize well after suspending |
| 05:44.42 | ndnihil | it's ok, the battery will be dead by the time it finishes booting anyway |
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| 05:45.34 | daniel32708 | oh yeah thats also true for android |
| 05:45.35 | rooly | snnickers |
| 05:45.39 | daniel32708 | drains ur battery really fast |
| 05:45.48 | rooly | the fastest booting device thus far is shr |
| 05:46.03 | daniel32708 | how about om2009? |
| 05:46.09 | daniel32708 | is it a good distro? |
| 05:46.11 | rooly | beats om2009, qtmoko, and fdom by minutes |
| 05:46.20 | rooly | om2009...well it works about as well as shr |
| 05:46.24 | rooly | crashes just as often |
| 05:46.28 | rooly | but the boot time is unbearable |
| 05:46.28 | ndnihil | neovento wasnt too bad on boot time if I remember right |
| 05:47.11 | rooly | qtmoko works well for the most part too |
| 05:47.19 | rooly | except the crashes require reboot |
| 05:47.23 | rooly | qtmoko still has wsod |
| 05:47.31 | daniel32708 | qt extended u mean? |
| 05:47.35 | rooly | no, qtmoko |
| 05:47.41 | rooly | that's the name of the distro |
| 05:47.54 | daniel32708 | is qtmoko better than qt extended? |
| 05:47.57 | rooly | yesh |
| 05:48.17 | rooly | imho, the most stable and capable dist ever available was qtopia 4.3.2 |
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| 05:49.02 | rooly | but then again, it crashed on internet, and when you had weird power schemes |
| 05:49.18 | daniel32708 | has anyone tried debian? |
| 05:49.50 | rooly | i somehow doubt debian is optimized enough for this device's particular...nuances |
| 05:50.45 | daniel32708 | same with gentoo i guess |
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| 06:11.57 | Slaxxer | neovento |
| 06:12.12 | Slaxxer | +Qi |
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| 06:12.39 | Slaxxer | i want some Slack |
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| 06:13.17 | Slaxxer | just a few more Distros An then we can move on |
| 06:14.53 | Slaxxer | once we get Turbo Linux an Mandriva then all will be well in linux land |
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| 06:17.07 | PaulFertser | mwester: especially given that android's Qi is incompatible as it uses another NAND partition layout. |
| 06:17.53 | rooly | wait, doesn't slack already exist on the FR? |
| 06:19.57 | Slaxxer | not to my knowledge |
| 06:20.11 | Slaxxer | it needs some help |
| 06:20.25 | Slaxxer | please help Slack |
| 06:20.52 | Slaxxer | fastest thing on x86 |
| 06:21.27 | rooly | would give slack some love if it didn't suffocate itself with kde |
| 06:21.55 | Slaxxer | R&R |
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| 06:28.06 | Slaxxer | does slackarm even have kde? |
| 06:28.16 | rooly | prolly not |
| 06:28.25 | rooly | kde is too broken even for slack to distribute |
| 06:28.49 | Slaxxer | where?/ |
| 06:31.52 | rooly | i apologize. that's biased and shameful bashing on my end |
| 06:32.08 | rooly | i had a bad experience with kde4 completely ruining my desktop a few times |
| 06:50.04 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.21 | Slaxxer | it is a big change |
| 06:50.37 | rooly | nah |
| 06:50.40 | rooly | this was a long time ago |
| 06:50.44 | Slaxxer | o |
| 06:50.56 | rooly | so anyway |
| 06:50.59 | rooly | Slaxxer: guess what |
| 06:51.02 | Slaxxer | i installed slack63 last week |
| 06:51.13 | Slaxxer | *64 |
| 06:51.23 | Slaxxer | what? |
| 06:51.37 | Slaxxer | is |
| 06:51.39 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.44 | rooly | apparently, the gsm chip sees a gprs incoming packet the same way it sees an sms or phone call, and reactivates the phone |
| 06:51.46 | rooly | from suspend |
| 06:51.52 | rooly | you know what that means? |
| 06:52.21 | Slaxxer | wake on gprs? |
| 06:52.24 | rooly | yeah |
| 06:52.27 | rooly | but more specifically |
| 06:52.37 | rooly | instant messenger protocols |
| 06:52.42 | Slaxxer | oic |
| 06:53.02 | rooly | if the whole suspend thing could ever get worked out... |
| 06:53.30 | rooly | but just write a messenger for the phone using efl or etk and libpurple |
| 06:53.41 | rooly | link it to dbus |
| 06:53.49 | rooly | modify notifier a little |
| 06:53.53 | Slaxxer | wake up suspend wake up suspend wake up .... |
| 06:54.01 | rooly | oh well yeah |
| 06:54.08 | rooly | but the battery life isn't affected that much |
| 06:54.58 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:55.28 | rooly | that also means voip |
| 06:55.34 | rooly | incoming phone calls and messages |
| 06:55.40 | rooly | with no trouble |
| 06:56.26 | rooly | IE google voice anybody? |
| 06:56.39 | Slaxxer | i want some |
| 06:56.40 | ndnihil | minor issue with that |
| 06:56.44 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.51 | ndnihil | voip wont wake the phone up if suspended |
| 06:57.15 | rooly | ndnihil: will voip send an ip packet? |
| 06:57.28 | ndnihil | it should, that's part of its name |
| 06:57.38 | rooly | then why wouldn't it activate the interrupt |
| 06:57.49 | ndnihil | because the interface itself would not be available to receive that packet |
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| 06:57.56 | ndnihil | if the phone is suspended |
| 06:58.18 | rooly | see, that's what i'm saying |
| 06:58.26 | Slaxxer | gprs |
| 06:58.31 | rooly | the gsm chip so far seems to be waking on gprs |
| 06:58.37 | rooly | gprs incoming |
| 06:58.50 | ndnihil | er, you're not going to get voip over gprs |
| 06:58.52 | ndnihil | too slow |
| 06:59.00 | Slaxxer | package delivered |
| 06:59.44 | Slaxxer | maybe just the 1 package to wake |
| 07:00.20 | rooly | ndnihil: speed of connection is not the issue at hand |
| 07:00.31 | ndnihil | what is? |
| 07:00.39 | rooly | that the phone wakes on gprs packet |
| 07:00.51 | ndnihil | oh, I thought it was voip specific |
| 07:00.53 | ndnihil | sorry |
| 07:01.09 | rooly | np |
| 07:01.16 | ndnihil | you can probably toggle that in the gsm modem firmware |
| 07:01.18 | rooly | i seem to be misinterpreted alot today |
| 07:01.30 | ndnihil | at command to turn the wake on packet off |
| 07:01.50 | ndnihil | that's how my telit module handles it |
| 07:02.59 | rooly | well it's even better if it's configureable |
| 07:03.04 | Slaxxer | unrooly |
| 07:03.14 | rooly | yo yo |
| 07:03.18 | rooly | speak |
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| 07:03.21 | rooly | i be get tired |
| 07:03.24 | Slaxxer | :) |
| 07:04.00 | rooly | :) != :V |
| 07:04.16 | Slaxxer | sleep |
| 07:04.26 | rooly | i should |
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| 07:20.12 | ndnihil | hrm, just had someone at work complain about buzz.... |
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| 07:20.29 | ndnihil | guess its buzzfux time for me |
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| 08:43.55 | Darkas | hi |
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| 08:44.30 | Darkas | what kind of dictionary do I need for use with the illume keyboard? |
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| 08:52.29 | raster | Darkas: text |
| 08:52.34 | raster | name <number> |
| 08:52.37 | raster | name2 <number> |
| 08:52.47 | raster | sorted in case-insenstive alphabetical order |
| 08:53.02 | raster | numebr is optional. it represents relative frequency of usage |
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| 08:53.04 | raster | eg |
| 08:53.08 | raster | and 100 |
| 08:53.15 | raster | antilope 2 |
| 08:53.50 | Darkas | raster, so there's a special format? |
| 08:54.27 | Darkas | or can I also copy them from somewhere? |
| 08:54.38 | raster | its almost dict format |
| 08:54.44 | raster | in fact its compatible with dict format |
| 08:54.48 | raster | ie unix dict |
| 08:55.01 | Darkas | ok, that's good, thanks |
| 08:55.03 | raster | whcih is just that - alphbetical (case insensitve) sorted text newline delimited |
| 08:55.09 | raster | i added the <space><n> thing |
| 08:55.29 | raster | use any tool (awk, perl whatevrer) to produce the files and add <n>'s in if u want |
| 08:55.44 | raster | i hunted aroudn the net for work frequency corpus data to generate one for english |
| 08:55.53 | raster | and merged it with standard linux dict files |
| 08:55.58 | Darkas | ok |
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| 09:08.58 | Darkas | raster, where can I get any .dict dictionary? I didn't find anything on the web... |
| 09:09.54 | raster | unix/linux edicts |
| 09:09.56 | raster | dicts |
| 09:10.04 | raster | the ones shipping for/linux/unix |
| 09:10.10 | raster | ispell/aspell etc. etc. etc. |
| 09:10.18 | raster | they have no format or extension |
| 09:10.21 | raster | there isnt a format |
| 09:10.26 | raster | its a text file |
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| 10:02.27 | Darkas | raster, I copied the keyboards to the other ones but they aren't there... |
| 10:05.05 | Darkas | ok, got it, wrong directory ;) |
| 10:08.02 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5358 10/trunk/eda/lib/ (11 files in 3 dirs): Initial import of Kicad perl library |
| 10:12.23 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5359 10/trunk/eda/scripts/ (3 files): Add some useful scripts |
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| 10:52.06 | Kero | hm, on milestone 5.5 receiving SMS with one SIM remains silent, with another works as I'd expect. |
| 10:52.39 | Kero | i.e. zhone.log says "new message!" and all on the latter case and lists nothing whatsoever in the former. |
| 10:53.19 | Kero | now how to distill the difference between the two SIMs so I can file a bugreport? and to whom? might be firmware issue. |
| 10:55.41 | Kero | neo1973; working SIM is not UMTS (I think) |
| 10:56.01 | mickeyl | moko11 gsm firmware? |
| 10:56.07 | Kero | yes |
| 10:56.19 | Kero | installed that months ago. |
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| 11:07.12 | Kero | the messages do arrive, as e.g. after reboot, they are read from the messagebook. |
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| 11:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: duh, gsm-fw bug would mean the notification doesn't occur, or the very simple communication to read out sms-storage from sim stalls/fails. I would like to see a protocol of tty data to calypso prior to assuming this to be true |
| 11:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, it's probably Dieter and me you should address such bug report to (if it clearly shows it's a gsm-fw bug) |
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| 11:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | best you send CC to joerg@om.org otherwise I might even miss ;) |
| 11:18.51 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: sure. How do I produce such a tty data log? |
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| 11:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | duh, no idea. Abyss / gsm0710muxd should be able to produce a complete log. And mwester had a special kernel-patch to monitor arbitrary ttys (the name of I can't remember ATM). mickeyl should know better advice |
| 11:21.54 | DocScrutinizer | mickeyl: can you help out? |
| 11:22.33 | mickeyl | i recommend first trying to find the right layer |
| 11:22.37 | mickeyl | start with inspecting fso log |
| 11:22.45 | mickeyl | only after that go deeper |
| 11:22.49 | mickeyl | (if necessary) |
| 11:22.56 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 11:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | might be some race where sim is busy doing "other things" while someone tries to read out sms storage |
| 11:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | this may explain diffs between particular sims |
| 11:26.38 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: was reception of sms during suspend state? |
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| 11:30.38 | Kero | I suppose so. goes into suspend rather quickly, after all. |
| 11:31.29 | Kero | I have a zhone log, how to get an fso log... |
| 11:31.47 | mickeyl | check openmokoframework page on the wiki for debug log info |
| 11:32.06 | mickeyl | need to move these pages eventually |
| 11:32.09 | mickeyl | (to the fso wiki) |
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| 11:38.14 | Kero | ok. exchanging SIMs. let's see what we get. |
| 11:40.18 | Kero | (even that darn WinCE based HTC boots faster than my Neo...) |
| 11:42.55 | Kero | yikes? WARNING Out-of-spec GSM number type seen: 161. Please report. |
| 11:42.57 | mickeyl | it's not the Neo's fault |
| 11:43.03 | mickeyl | it's the software |
| 11:43.16 | mickeyl | one of my next pet projects will be 'fsoboot' |
| 11:43.27 | Kero | I know, I know. in theory phone needs to boot once anyway. |
| 11:43.52 | Kero | but when debugging, it's noticeable :) |
| 11:44.04 | SpeedEvil | It should be supplied booted from the factory in suspend! |
| 11:44.06 | mickeyl | i want 30 seconds to the first phone call, i still believe we can do it |
| 11:44.06 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:44.30 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: no, ws not in suspend. I'm confusing it with dark screen in idle mode, sorry. |
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| 11:45.36 | Kero | ogsmd.channel DEBUG <UnsolicitedResponseChannel via /dev/pts/1>: got 14 bytes: '\r\n%CPR |
| 11:45.40 | Kero | I: 1,2\r\n' |
| 11:45.43 | Kero | ? |
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| 11:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: suspend to disk :-D |
| 11:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | honestly I pondered if this was a viable way to speed up "boot" |
| 11:48.26 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizery: what I meant |
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| 11:48.45 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: though with the rather slow SD/flash... |
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| 11:53.26 | Kero | so, CPRI and CSQ are about gsm suspend and signal strength. that's the only thing in the log (DEBUG level) I can find close after sending the text message. |
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| 11:53.42 | PBeck | hi |
| 11:53.59 | Kero | some CREG and COPS stuff later on, regular "alive" stuff, I think. |
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| 11:54.57 | Kero | any easy way to force reading the message book? zhone works from memory... |
| 11:55.42 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: make sure there's free storage space for sms on both sims |
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| 11:56.10 | Kero | less than 10 on both sides. |
| 11:57.00 | DocScrutinizer | only mickey knows how to read fso logs ;-) |
| 11:57.08 | Kero | hehe |
| 11:58.00 | mickeyl | :D |
| 11:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: anyway a diff between two logs should show where things differ |
| 11:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | "manual" diff |
| 11:58.45 | Kero | a diff! well, I'll be curious how reveiving SMS looks like. |
| 11:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 11:59.56 | Kero | I'll reboot neo check the SMS is there or not (message book is read after PIN is accepted), then I'll make the second diff. |
| 12:00.03 | Kero | *second log, for a diff |
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| 12:15.08 | Kero | sure, message is in book after reboot. exchanging SIM's once more. |
| 12:19.50 | Kero | on working SIM, immediately after that CPRI thing, there is |
| 12:19.51 | Kero | ogsmd.channel DEBUG <UnsolicitedResponseChannel via /dev/pts/3>: got 17 bytes: '\r\n+CMTI: "SM",3\r\n' |
| 12:20.23 | Kero | and the SMS is received |
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| 12:28.51 | Psi | anyone electronics guys awake, have a question (not about the neo) |
| 12:29.07 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 12:29.15 | SpeedEvil | also - ##electronigs |
| 12:29.42 | Psi | yeah, i asked in #elecronics on efnet but they hardly talk about electronics in there :P |
| 12:29.52 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. I just did some tests - and my GPRS is only half the speed of my broadband. |
| 12:29.56 | SpeedEvil | on freenode |
| 12:30.05 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - my broadband is at 128K ATM. |
| 12:30.06 | Psi | heh |
| 12:30.08 | SpeedEvil | stabs. |
| 12:30.49 | SpeedEvil | rootkits, FPGAs, throwies have been topics in the last hour |
| 12:31.38 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5361 10/developers/werner/fped/ (12 files): |
| 12:31.38 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - renamed is_id to is_id_char and renamed validate_id to is_id |
| 12:31.38 | CIA-54 | openmoko: string |
| 12:31.38 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - entering an unchanged frame or variable name wasn't accepted |
| 12:31.38 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added vector name editor |
| 12:31.38 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - fped: don't crash when invoked without a file name |
| 12:32.16 | Psi | i was just wondering if anyone knew if max232 chips can feedback power from their inputs to their VCC line |
| 12:32.39 | Psi | having an odd issue where the carpc's mcu is running and trying to talk to my pc inside even tho the carpc has no power |
| 12:33.37 | SpeedEvil | In general - all ( well - 99.999%) of chips will feed back power into their vcc when input exceeds vcc by 0.6V or so |
| 12:34.04 | Psi | ok, so thats probably whats happening then |
| 12:34.07 | SpeedEvil | The 232 case is complicated, but I'd say it's quite possible. I'd need to actually look at the internal block diagram to confirm. |
| 12:34.14 | Psi | the 12V from my pc's rs232 port is running the mcus |
| 12:34.37 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 12:35.04 | SpeedEvil | The other issue is it's probably not specced to do that. |
| 12:35.08 | SpeedEvil | And may not be regulated. |
| 12:35.44 | Psi | well its been like that for a while, if it was going to damage something it would have by now |
| 12:36.03 | Psi | wonders how to stop that from happening |
| 12:36.10 | Psi | cant exactly put a diode in the line |
| 12:38.15 | SpeedEvil | is it simply connected to the 232 - or is there anything else connected to the rx? |
| 12:39.09 | Psi | how do you mean? |
| 12:40.36 | Psi | the pc serial port goes directly into the rs232 input of the max232 |
| 12:42.37 | Psi | well, through a resistor |
| 12:44.18 | Psi | in any case, now i know what to look at, thanks SpeedEvil :) |
| 12:44.52 | SpeedEvil | np |
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| 13:06.21 | serdar | hi |
| 13:06.48 | serdar | is it possible to let the screen of my moko be on my notebook too? |
| 13:08.50 | mjr | yes, via usbnet (or other network connection); install x11vnc (or similar) on the neo and share its display via VNC to the notebook |
| 13:09.04 | mjr | I've done a couple of presentations in the past, demoing in this manner |
| 13:10.03 | serdar | damn |
| 13:10.17 | serdar | I don't think, that vnc exist for android |
| 13:10.44 | mjr | oh, android |
| 13:10.53 | mjr | well, that's another kettle of fish then |
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| 13:20.53 | Kero | NeatX perhaps? |
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| 13:44.10 | drascus321 | how usable to an end user is the openmoko with the android operating system on it? I am looking into getting one and returning my iphone but I want to make sure I will be able to use it first. |
| 13:45.02 | Q-Master | drascus321: not really. |
| 13:45.47 | drascus321 | ah so it would be a bad idea to switch out an iphone for a freerunner with android |
| 13:47.15 | drascus321 | is there anyway I can help support your project beyond buying a phone? |
| 13:47.54 | drascus321 | because I do eventually want a Free phone |
| 13:48.08 | Kero | mail about SMS sent. |
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| 13:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | drascus321: check SHR, forget Android |
| 13:48.47 | Kero | good thing is, the SIM that works will supersede the one that does not work in w few weeks, so my Neo should be ready for day-to-day use, then. Finally. |
| 13:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | drascus321: as Android isn't a truely free system either. And you'll find very few support at least here in this channel |
| 13:49.40 | Q-Master | drascus321: just install SHR. it is usable. |
| 13:50.10 | drascus321 | so with SHR the freerunner could be used as an everyday phone? |
| 13:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | Q-Master: though not in a "swap iPhone for it" sense ;-D |
| 13:50.46 | DocScrutinizer | drascus321: depending on your needs, basically yes |
| 13:50.51 | Q-Master | DocScrutinizer: 8)) I will, if I'll have an iphone |
| 13:51.04 | Q-Master | don't really like apple |
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| 13:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | drascus321: that's what I'm actually doing: eating my own dogfood ;) |
| 13:51.37 | drascus321 | I don't like apple either which is kind of why I am looking into it. it's just that apple had the capabilities I was looking for |
| 13:51.52 | drascus321 | heh |
| 13:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | FR + SHR in daily use for ~3months here now |
| 13:52.57 | Q-Master | drascus321: I am using SHR and Neo as a second phone for now. It lacks PIM support now. That's the worse thing for me |
| 13:53.15 | drascus321 | cool and you can text, send e-mails, get online fairly effortlessly? |
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| 13:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 13:53.32 | Kero | SHR + Neo has not worke for me. milestone 5.5 fares better |
| 13:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | not as cute and smart as with e.g. iPhone, but yes it works |
| 13:54.20 | Q-Master | drascus321: online with WIFI works very well. GPRS seems also working. I never sent an e-mails from it, but smses and phonecalls are perfect. |
| 13:54.25 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: please rephrase |
| 13:54.26 | drascus321 | Q-Master what was your setup time like for that? how long did it take you to work out the bugs? |
| 13:54.44 | Q-Master | DocScrutinizer: how are you dealing with e-mails? |
| 13:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | no emails on phone here |
| 13:55.06 | Q-Master | drascus321: just installed and voila. 8) |
| 13:55.15 | drascus321 | wow I am pretty impressed |
| 13:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | you could use web-frontend mailer anyway for now |
| 13:55.34 | drascus321 | they don't call you Q-master for nothing ;) |
| 13:55.51 | DocScrutinizer | bragger ;-P |
| 13:55.54 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: ? SHR has not worked on my Neo. i.e not asking for PIN at start-up and things like that. |
| 13:56.02 | Q-Master | drascus321: it is nick from zx-spectrum days |
| 13:56.21 | drascus321 | and so you just flashed it with that OS and it all worked. now on Wifi is there a GUI front end or is it all command line |
| 13:56.23 | Q-Master | Kero: strange... very strange |
| 13:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | SHR-U20090703 works here |
| 13:56.37 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: milestone 5.5 (fso, right?) does do that consistently and apart from the SMS on one SIM, seems to work for the basic stuff |
| 13:57.15 | Q-Master | drascus321: some primitive GUI. but there's better gui but it is in development and not properly working for me yet. |
| 13:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: SHR is built on FSO5.5 |
| 13:57.27 | Q-Master | drascus321: but it might work for you. |
| 13:58.11 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: which SHR? 5.5 is out only a few days... |
| 13:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: FSO isn't even meant to be a productive distro. Zhone is a mere test environment for framework |
| 13:58.18 | drascus321 | and what network do you use Q-MAster |
| 13:58.30 | Q-Master | drascus321: ? |
| 13:58.33 | drascus321 | sorry for all the questions by the way I appreciate your input |
| 13:58.48 | Kero | ok, there is one of Jul 29 that could be. |
| 13:58.58 | drascus321 | mobile network? verizon, At&t, etc...? |
| 13:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: SHR-U draws from fso-branch AIUI, so it's always newest version of FSO which SHR bases on |
| 14:00.27 | Kero | well, perhaps I should try again. at least I know I shoul use 2.6.24 not the series of 2.6.29 images that do not even fit on my partition... |
| 14:00.35 | Q-Master | drascus321: I am russian, so Beeline. |
| 14:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | and btw: "fso_the_distri" is EOL. FSO-team will merge framework into SHR as I got it |
| 14:00.59 | drascus321 | so for Wifi I suppose if the GUI doesn't work their is some kind of tutorial out there for connecting on command line? |
| 14:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: 1973 ?? |
| 14:01.13 | Kero | yeah |
| 14:01.26 | Kero | and I know FSO is EOL |
| 14:01.35 | serdar | huh? |
| 14:01.40 | serdar | end of line? |
| 14:01.46 | drascus321 | oh I see does anyone have experiance with this thing on AT&T |
| 14:01.47 | drascus321 | ? |
| 14:01.50 | DocScrutinizer | Oh, that's a different story. uSD rootfs strongly recommended |
| 14:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | serdar: end of life |
| 14:02.42 | serdar | huh why, they are really onto it |
| 14:03.05 | Kero | fso is not meant as a distro, never was. |
| 14:03.06 | Q-Master | drascus321: it works but it is too simple for me. |
| 14:03.20 | Kero | meant as showcase. |
| 14:03.22 | DocScrutinizer | serdar: I told, they merge into SHR. Means they don't publish any more separate images |
| 14:03.50 | serdar | I see |
| 14:04.03 | serdar | I couldn't try the latest release of them |
| 14:04.06 | DocScrutinizer | serdar: ->zhone might die, fso will live on |
| 14:04.20 | serdar | it ended in a login |
| 14:04.51 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: kernel, not rootfs. it'd be nice to know which kernel is needed for which rootfs in the long list on http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta01/ |
| 14:04.53 | serdar | DocScrutinizer, ah. |
| 14:05.25 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: probably always files of same date match |
| 14:06.43 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: so why does 5.5 ship 2.6.24 when that's an old file for SHR :) |
| 14:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | kerm|t: pester mrmoku on #*-devel about that! |
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| 14:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: ^ |
| 14:07.17 | drascus321 | oh sorry my battery died |
| 14:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | kerm|t: sorry |
| 14:07.25 | Kero | :) |
| 14:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | drascus321: sounds like you got a Neo already ;-D |
| 14:08.14 | drascus321 | lol really battery life is that bad ouch |
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| 14:08.39 | drascus321 | I thought they had resolved those problems |
| 14:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | actually Neo bat life is rather decent meanwhile |
| 14:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | 6~8h active (with 30% backlight), >2days standby |
| 14:10.11 | drascus321 | I guess the killer to the iphone for me would be a) can i plug it into my GNU/Linux computer and do file transfers to it? will it play my ogg vorbis collection |
| 14:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | alphaone even has reached standby times of ~140h |
| 14:10.31 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: don't know what battery you have, but mine lasts 8h in suspend... |
| 14:10.36 | drascus321 | that is what tends to annoy me with just about every device I come into contact with |
| 14:10.36 | alphaone | True |
| 14:10.48 | alphaone | Though he's full of crap as you know ;-) |
| 14:10.56 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: that's NOT standby |
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| 14:11.08 | alphaone | DocScrutinizer: BTW, I'm using my #1024 fixed phone as my regular one now |
| 14:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | that's full active, maybe dim backlit |
| 14:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | alphaone: flawlessly I assume |
| 14:11.40 | alphaone | DocScrutinizer: Depends |
| 14:11.57 | alphaone | It seems I'm able to crash fso-usage from time to time |
| 14:12.05 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: then what is stand-by? does it ring on incoming calls with that? |
| 14:12.15 | Kero | nd how do I get it in stand-by? |
| 14:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: SURE lol |
| 14:12.39 | alphaone | Which results in suspend not suspending any resources (i.e. configuring GSM for suspend) which in turn wakes the phone up pretty often |
| 14:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: in SHR you can push powerbutton and select "standby" from menu. or config auto-standby after arbitrary time |
| 14:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | alphaone: strange. bug in fsousaged? |
| 14:14.12 | alphaone | probably. |
| 14:14.21 | alphaone | Haven't looked into it yet, though :-( |
| 14:14.27 | DocScrutinizer | so go fix it, damn! ;-P |
| 14:14.35 | alphaone | Hehe |
| 14:14.37 | drascus321 | I am watching a video in dailymotion I am actually surprised SHR looks pretty snappy |
| 14:14.38 | Kero | in comparison, power-button in FSO does what? certainly more than dim screen. |
| 14:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, never used FSO image for daily use |
| 14:15.57 | DocScrutinizer | as I told, it's not intended for that after all. It's a testbed |
| 14:16.31 | DocScrutinizer | for fso-framework |
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| 14:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | middleware |
| 14:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | the gUI is rudimentary, as are details like suspend |
| 14:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | alphaone: correct me if I'm wrong |
| 14:17.58 | Kero | I know, I have to start somewhere; first image that works well enough for the basic stuff. but 2 days vs 8h is quite a big difference. |
| 14:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 14:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | test shr-unstable from 20090703 |
| 14:19.07 | Kero | and somehow, if SHR is based upon FSO, I'm curious how they achieve that. there's more difference than zhone vs apps then. |
| 14:19.41 | drascus321 | how is the on screen keyboard can it be touch typed or do you need stylus? |
| 14:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: btw power management on GTA01 is quite a different story still |
| 14:20.43 | DocScrutinizer | drascus321: there's some 4..7 different keyboards, some of them rather fingerfriendly. I prefer stylus and the small complete terminal-kbd |
| 14:21.15 | drascus321 | can you plug a usb keyboard into it? |
| 14:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | alphaone: seems a good thing you plan to stop shipping own distro/rootfs |
| 14:21.37 | DocScrutinizer | drascus321: yup, without any problem |
| 14:21.43 | Kero | I have neo/gta01. what can I expect, 8h or 2 days? :) I'll certainly try shr unstable. |
| 14:21.48 | drascus321 | Ooo now your turning me on |
| 14:21.51 | drascus321 | lol |
| 14:22.12 | DocScrutinizer | Kero: I have >2d al the time on my everyday Neo |
| 14:22.19 | lindi- | drascus321: http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=openmoko%20usb%20keyboard&meta= lists the problems |
| 14:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | 1973 power management is still somewhat flaky afaik |
| 14:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | ask PaulFertser for that |
| 14:22.58 | drascus321 | actually I have a bluetooth keyboard shouldn't I be able to use that? |
| 14:23.31 | Kero | DocScrutinizer: ok, will do |
| 14:23.53 | Kero | right now, I'm going into the park and play with GPS a bit. pretty sure that works, though. |
| 14:24.00 | DocScrutinizer | drascus321: depends. If you can manage to make it work over BT on a regular desktop distri, it should work as well on Neo and SHR |
| 14:24.41 | drascus321 | yes I can actually it works quite flawlessly in Ubuntu |
| 14:24.55 | DocScrutinizer | alphaone: (good) see confusion here about FSO-MS5.5 vs SHR |
| 14:24.55 | drascus321 | I am using it right now |
| 14:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | so it should be possible to proceed exactly same way on Freerunner, using same tools and commands |
| 14:25.53 | DocScrutinizer | basically |
| 14:27.27 | drascus321 | well in ubuntu they have a bluetooth setup wizard so it will probably be a little different |
| 14:27.52 | drascus321 | unless I could possible install the setup wizard on the freerunner |
| 14:28.27 | drascus321 | by they way can you use external storage to run apps or is it only what is in the flash memory? |
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| 14:29.50 | SpeedEvil | you can run stuff from a multi-terabyte RAID in a suitcase connected to the USB port if you want :) |
| 14:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehehe lol |
| 14:31.25 | drascus321 | lol |
| 14:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: o/ |
| 14:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | I tested a 16GB uSD yesterday |
| 14:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like enough of satorage for apps and a few mp3 |
| 14:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I'd consider using a Y-cable not to suck FR's bat THAT fast then ;-P |
| 14:34.28 | DocScrutinizer | drascus321: you can *easily* setup a multiboot system with 2, 3, or even 8 or more separate rootfs |
| 14:35.23 | DocScrutinizer | one on NAND internal storage, the others on uSD, external usb-RAID, NFS remote mount, whatever you like |
| 14:35.44 | SpeedEvil | Even NFS-GPRS if you're barking mad. |
| 14:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | well, you could even (try to) setup 2 systems on NAND, but that's a little small then |
| 14:36.22 | drascus321 | yes I do like the prospect of hacking the thing like crazy |
| 14:36.48 | drascus321 | could be a good learning experience. |
| 14:37.05 | DocScrutinizer | you bet |
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| 14:37.30 | drascus321 | I guess I could always put it on my resume lol |
| 14:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | if that's your approach, then Freerunner is the device for you, and iPhone SUCKS |
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| 14:38.35 | drascus321 | kind of reminds me when I first switched to ubuntu back in the dapper days when nothing worked |
| 14:39.08 | drascus321 | hopefully openmoko goes the same route and ends up kick ass |
| 14:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | it's up to you |
| 14:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | each support appreciated |
| 14:43.12 | drascus321 | well I am staring at a checkout screen right now with my other hand on a credit card so I think I am leaning in that directin |
| 14:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | drascus321: try to get an A7 or buzzfixed A6 |
| 14:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | prolly you need to ask to make sure |
| 14:45.05 | drascus321 | http://sdgsystems.com/estore/cart.php?target=cart |
| 14:45.15 | drascus321 | thats the one I am going for |
| 14:45.22 | drascus321 | does that look right? |
| 14:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | ""Your shopping cart is empty."" |
| 14:46.46 | drascus321 | right I haven't gone through checkout yet |
| 14:47.47 | drascus321 | so that's the right one though with the buzzfix and all? |
| 14:48.36 | plekter | drascus321: beware you're entering a world of sleepless nights and social isolation |
| 14:48.49 | drascus321 | huh? |
| 14:48.50 | plekter | s/beware/beware,/ |
| 14:49.16 | PBeck | apt? |
| 14:49.27 | PBeck | apt: help |
| 14:49.29 | plekter | drascus321: yah, this gadget consumes time! |
| 14:49.40 | plekter | mighty fun tho. |
| 14:49.41 | drascus321 | sleepless nights because I will be having so much fun? or because I will be knocking my head against a wall? |
| 14:50.00 | plekter | uh, both i suppose |
| 14:50.10 | drascus321 | I already barely sleep so sounds normal to me |
| 14:50.17 | plekter | ok, go ahead then |
| 14:50.39 | drascus321 | uh oh ok now I am back on the fence |
| 14:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | drascus321: still no idea about your cart |
| 14:50.51 | PBeck | drascus321: i think you have fun while knocking your head against a wall :P |
| 14:50.53 | DocScrutinizer | so sorry, no advice from here |
| 14:50.57 | drascus321 | lol |
| 14:51.01 | drascus321 | it's ok |
| 14:51.09 | PBeck | drascus321: it's cheaper than a freerunner and much more fun :) |
| 14:51.26 | drascus321 | I will figure it all out later I have things I have to get done today |
| 14:51.32 | drascus321 | but thanks for the help all |
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| 14:51.49 | PBeck | hum :) |
| 14:52.12 | DocScrutinizer | drascus321: yeah, I used search and yes looks like it. check for correct GSM-band!! |
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| 14:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | drascus321: where U r? |
| 14:53.12 | DocScrutinizer | US, Eurpe? |
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| 15:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | damn, mayday! autosuspend sticky on off. How to fix (except reboot)? |
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| 16:03.45 | Slaxxer | is there something in tangogps that allows foe setting the correct time zone on the internel clock? |
| 16:04.04 | lindi- | Slaxxer: that surely is not the task of tangogps? |
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| 16:04.36 | Slaxxer | ok |
| 16:05.04 | Slaxxer | so why does my time zone not set correctlt in shr? |
| 16:05.39 | lindi- | Slaxxer: how did you configure it? |
| 16:05.50 | Slaxxer | i guess i havent |
| 16:06.32 | Slaxxer | its set to sunday this is saterday |
| 16:06.41 | Slaxxer | well |
| 16:07.19 | Slaxxer | i need to set the time zone |
| 16:08.30 | Slaxxer | simply |
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| 16:22.29 | Slaxxer | gps sight is what i need |
| 16:44.34 | Slaxxer | tangogps is downloading maps even though the knosole connection was exited |
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| 16:54.22 | badcloud_ | hey people |
| 16:54.34 | badcloud_ | anyone know if fribidi is availible for shr? |
| 16:55.24 | badcloud_ | and otherwise, I heard that there is Hebrew locale support but can't find the ipk link |
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| 17:33.17 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5362 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (docs/ecn/ecn0001.txt gta02-core.sch memory.sch): |
| 17:33.17 | CIA-54 | openmoko: Added preservation of R1801 to ECN0001 and modified memory.sch and the |
| 17:33.17 | CIA-54 | openmoko: reference on gta02-core.sch accordingly. |
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| 18:09.47 | daniel32708 | has anyone tried Neovento as a distro on the freerunner? |
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| 18:47.21 | TeNoVi | Hi! Is there any nautical/sea charts/maps for tangogps? |
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| 18:49.51 | SpeedEvil | There was talk... |
| 18:50.26 | SpeedEvil | http://openseamap.org/ |
| 18:51.05 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea what state the project is at. |
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| 18:56.31 | TeNoVi | hmm... It does not look like it is it useable for my purpose :S And it seems a bit unfinished |
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| 18:57.48 | kirun | well... that was stupid |
| 18:57.59 | kirun | on my PC, my FR comes up as eth2 |
| 18:58.19 | kirun | I accidentally tried to set it up as eth1 |
| 18:58.46 | kirun | so... I made my PC try to route its internets through... itself |
| 18:59.40 | kirun | cue "No route to host" error fun time! |
| 19:00.22 | TeNoVi | Is it possible to use commercial maps for tangogps? Or maybe for navit? |
| 19:01.57 | SpeedEvil | TeNoVi: generally not |
| 19:02.12 | SpeedEvil | TeNoVi: you can use google maps in principle, but not legally, and they may ban you |
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| 19:03.08 | TeNoVi | SpeedEvil: Do you know if I can buy for example maps for garmin devices and use those? |
| 19:04.01 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure |
| 19:04.19 | SpeedEvil | Generally that doesn't work so well because of DRM issues |
| 19:05.16 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Garmin_maps |
| 19:08.36 | TeNoVi | SpeedEvil: Hmm... Thanks. |
| 19:09.14 | daniel32708 | TeNoVi: nothing is impossible lol |
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| 19:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (commercial maps). AIUI a friend of mine is using TOP50 |
| 19:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | with tango |
| 19:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | TeNoVi: (TOP50 is the government supported "official" topologic-1:50.000 cards) |
| 19:27.35 | DocScrutinizer | daniel32708: (neovento) yes I heard sth, but afaik neovento is a one-man-performance, and the guy is complaining about kernel/framework/whatever isn't working the way he thought it should be. Otoh he refuses to discuss why the fso architecture is better the way it's now than the way he feels is mandatory. So I'm not very interested in neovento after all |
| 19:28.43 | daniel32708 | i see |
| 19:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | daniel32708: and in the end I could be totally wrong on all that |
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| 20:13.07 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5363 10/developers/werner/fped/ (17 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:13.07 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - README: added motivation |
| 20:13.07 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added icon bar for object creation (doesn't do anything yet) |
| 20:13.08 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - tables now have thin black lines as separators, instead of the default grey |
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| 20:59.13 | PaulFertser | Kero: hey |
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| 22:56.59 | bove | should I expect SHR to work out-of-the-box with a usb wifi adapter? |
| 22:58.31 | pieterc | hmm... You should put your moko to Host mode |
| 22:58.37 | pieterc | and it depends on what wifi adapter |
| 22:58.59 | pieterc | if it works with another linux machine, it should work with SHR |
| 22:59.03 | pieterc | I believe |
| 22:59.53 | pieterc | so in short: you'll know if you try ;) |
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| 23:12.33 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5364 10/developers/werner/fped/ (15 files): |
| 23:12.33 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added text renderer |
| 23:12.33 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - non-filled arrows are now open |
| 23:12.33 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added measurements (syntax: meas <point-a> <point-b> <offset>) |
| 23:12.34 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - we now draw frame titles |
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| 23:18.03 | daniel327081 | Guys I have a freerunner running QTmoko, I see the "turn wifi on and turn wifi off" in the menu, but is there a way to see the wireless networks and connect to one? thru GUI? |
| 23:18.14 | daniel327081 | or does it have to be installed? |
| 23:18.17 | daniel327081 | help pls! |
| 23:21.36 | pieterc | maybe more chance at #qtmoko channel ? |
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| 23:22.15 | daniel327081 | lol i didnt know there was one |
| 23:22.19 | daniel327081 | thx! |
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| 23:26.24 | pieterc | daniel327081: through terminal it's easy though |
| 23:26.44 | pieterc | daniel327081: check $iwlist -scan |
| 23:26.44 | daniel327081 | is there a wiki? |
| 23:26.52 | pieterc | and connect like this: |
| 23:26.52 | daniel327081 | cool |
| 23:27.02 | pieterc | iwconfig essid "your ap name" |
| 23:27.40 | daniel327081 | what do u mean by your ap name? |
| 23:27.47 | pieterc | access point name |
| 23:27.52 | daniel327081 | ok |
| 23:27.54 | pieterc | name of your router |
| 23:27.55 | daniel327081 | ssid |
| 23:28.04 | daniel327081 | yeah |
| 23:28.05 | daniel327081 | ok |
| 23:29.04 | bove | pieterc: I did try, but the wifi adapter didn't even light. Guess I should try through a powered usb hub |
| 23:29.36 | pieterc | bove: that might be indeed... You put your moko in host mode? |
| 23:29.46 | bove | yep |
| 23:30.20 | pieterc | I guess FR can give a limited amount of mA |
| 23:30.22 | bove | using the shr gui. Plugged in a mouse, and that lit |
| 23:30.40 | pieterc | a powered usb hub should do the trick i think |
| 23:31.01 | bove | yes, just have to find a cable... |
| 23:31.07 | mjr | should be able to give 500mA |
| 23:31.32 | pieterc | mjr: a wifi hub might need more tough :) |
| 23:31.43 | mjr | note that logical host mode is separate from the power supply setting, or was last I checked |
| 23:32.44 | pieterc | daniel327081: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi |
| 23:33.07 | pieterc | should make your dream come true ;) |
| 23:33.22 | daniel327081 | wow thanx pieterc! |
| 23:34.30 | mjr | might, though not very usb compliant... |
| 23:34.36 | pieterc | daniel327081: sometimes textual interfaces are way more useful than the graphical ones ;) |
| 23:34.53 | daniel327081 | lol yeas thats true |
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| 23:39.01 | bove | pieterc: The freerunner seems to establish usb0 network connection each time I plug in a device. Could this be the problem? |
| 23:39.34 | pieterc | nope |
| 23:39.47 | pieterc | i don't think so |
| 23:40.22 | pieterc | hm |
| 23:40.40 | bove | any Ideas on how to find out if the connected mouse actually works? |
| 23:43.15 | pieterc | yes, on there is some help on the wiki on that |
| 23:43.34 | pieterc | I think you should alter your xorg.conf to show the mouse pointer |
| 23:43.36 | Kagee | bove: you could probaly active the mouse..icon, |
| 23:44.02 | jjwc | Oh dear... eth0 seems to have disappeared from existance on my freerunner [shr] |
| 23:44.16 | jjwc | removing and adding the ar6000 module doesn't help? |
| 23:44.18 | jjwc | .* |
| 23:55.25 | bove | pieterc: hexdump /dev/input/mice shows the mouse is working |
| 23:56.12 | pieterc | bove: good one :) Should've come up with that |
| 23:57.19 | pieterc | good luck! I'm going to sleep |
| 23:57.49 | bove | bye |