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| 00:07.44 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5344 10/developers/werner/fped/ (README TODO error.c): Added README. |
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| 01:33.59 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5345 10/developers/werner/fped/ (9 files): |
| 01:33.59 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - name of anonymous vectors wasn't initialized |
| 01:33.59 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - made active vectors a little brighter to better tell them apart from inactive |
| 01:33.59 | CIA-54 | openmoko: ones |
| 01:34.00 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - frames are now (again) ordered from root down |
| 01:34.03 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added new item .circ to avoid crazy .arc syntax |
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| 01:53.02 | Slaxxer | recomended procedure for replacing a freerunner screen |
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| 01:53.12 | Slaxxer | temp? |
| 01:53.27 | xelapond | Does anyone know anything about Mokometeo here? |
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| 01:53.46 | Slaxxer | removel instructions to not break a screen |
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| 01:54.29 | Slaxxer | opkg.org should have instructions |
| 01:54.39 | Slaxxer | or a link |
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| 01:56.08 | xelapond | The link for Paris works, but when I try and put in my own city I get "Unable To Connect to the webpage..." |
| 01:57.17 | Slaxxer | use yahoos weather to obtain a different city thats close |
| 01:57.28 | Slaxxer | the link anyways |
| 01:58.36 | xelapond | It doesn't work for three cities |
| 01:58.40 | Slaxxer | city too small? ;)) |
| 01:58.46 | xelapond | Bend, Bainbridge Island, or Los Angleles |
| 01:58.52 | Slaxxer | ooo |
| 01:58.54 | xelapond | Los Angeles is small? |
| 01:58.58 | xelapond | :P |
| 01:59.20 | xelapond | It has weather data on the website |
| 01:59.24 | Slaxxer | Doc |
| 01:59.54 | xelapond | Doc? |
| 02:00.07 | Slaxxer | i need some hardware help |
| 02:00.11 | xelapond | ah |
| 02:00.29 | Slaxxer | broke my screen |
| 02:00.56 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.31 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.54 | Slaxxer | spare parts i hope |
| 02:02.43 | Slaxxer | moko salvage |
| 02:04.38 | xelapond | Slaxxer: Post pics somewhere:) |
| 02:04.46 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5346 10/developers/werner/fped/ (README fpd.l fpd.y qfn.fpd): - de-quirked vector syntax. instead of ".vec b x, y" it's now simply "b(x, y)" |
| 02:04.46 | xelapond | and let us know how it goes, I want to fit a bigger screen on mine |
| 02:04.50 | xelapond | the trouble is sourcing one |
| 02:08.20 | xelapond | where is the source for MokoMeteo? |
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| 02:09.46 | xelapond | ah, I found it:P |
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| 02:38.07 | xelapond | What program is used to generate .edje layout files? |
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| 03:02.38 | AntonTakk2 | xelapond: edje_cc, last i did any e17 theme work |
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| 03:49.46 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5347 10/trunk/gta02-core/STATUS: review of PMU sheet |
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| 04:59.57 | Psi | hm.. if you let gta01 shr unstable (09/7) auto-suspend while on charge it fully discharges the battery :( |
| 05:00.23 | Psi | guessing it stops charging or something |
| 05:04.05 | xelapond | Is there a tab-like widget in elementary? |
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| 05:11.30 | sarahsharp | I just got my neo back from buzz rework, and the display craps out after it comes back from suspend (it displays a white background with greyish vertical stripes). It wasn't doing this before I sent it back. Has anyone had this problem before? |
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| 05:12.30 | ndnihil | I had a strange line issue on suspend |
| 05:12.44 | ndnihil | but it was dist related |
| 05:12.49 | Psi | same |
| 05:13.08 | ndnihil | did you/they flash it before sending it back? |
| 05:13.15 | Psi | ^ |
| 05:13.38 | Psi | who knows what they do to it, id just reinstall it |
| 05:13.41 | sarahsharp | I'm not sure. It booted up with the same UI, and it looks like the same build. |
| 05:13.59 | ndnihil | what does it look like when you suspend? |
| 05:14.09 | sarahsharp | I had to upgrade the bootloader before I sent it off, but I don't think that would cause a suspend problem. |
| 05:14.10 | ndnihil | single line horizontal across the middle? |
| 05:14.23 | ndnihil | bootloader is involved in the suspend process |
| 05:14.41 | Psi | what bootloader are you using? |
| 05:14.42 | sarahsharp | ndnihil: no, it's more like a couple vertical grey lines. |
| 05:14.53 | sarahsharp | qi bootloader |
| 05:14.55 | Slaxxer | flash man |
| 05:14.56 | ndnihil | hrm, that doesnt sound like the same issue I had |
| 05:15.09 | ndnihil | I'd say flash it |
| 05:15.13 | ndnihil | and if it still acts up |
| 05:15.17 | ndnihil | ask them about it |
| 05:15.20 | Psi | ^ |
| 05:15.23 | Slaxxer | neovento |
| 05:15.39 | sarahsharp | ndnihil: yeah, that was my thought too. |
| 05:15.53 | ndnihil | I cant think of anything hardware-wise that would only affect video on suspend |
| 05:16.07 | ndnihil | but I'm not intimately familiar with its internals |
| 05:16.09 | sarahsharp | I was all psyched to finally get a working (hardware-wise) phone too. :( |
| 05:16.32 | Psi | seems most likely that its a software issue |
| 05:16.32 | ndnihil | <-- never had the buzz on his a6 |
| 05:16.47 | sarahsharp | ndnihil: I only had it on certain towers. |
| 05:17.08 | ndnihil | might order some parts and buzzfix mine |
| 05:17.13 | ndnihil | just for kicks |
| 05:17.40 | Psi | sounds like fun |
| 05:17.55 | ndnihil | I'm wondering if it would improve general sound quality |
| 05:18.04 | ndnihil | maybe mine is buzzing at a very low level |
| 05:18.18 | ndnihil | sounds like every other decent cell phone to me |
| 05:18.38 | ndnihil | but hell, if it could be upgraded to "great" |
| 05:18.40 | ndnihil | I'm all for it |
| 05:18.46 | Psi | if the buzz fix is a filter then applying it do a non buzzing phone might reduce quality |
| 05:19.41 | ndnihil | I did have some sound issues with one of the older shr-testing dists shortly after I first got the phone |
| 05:19.48 | ndnihil | but there was a software fix for it |
| 05:20.07 | ndnihil | from the shr tweaks wiki entry if memory serves |
| 05:20.13 | Psi | only sound issues ive had on my gta01 was echo, and that was fixed ages ago |
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| 06:09.25 | PaulFertser | jc: ping |
| 06:10.46 | PaulFertser | Psi: (discharge) interesting |
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| 06:16.37 | PaulFertser | Psi: pcf50606 sucks :( |
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| 06:19.58 | PaulFertser | Psi: looking at the doc i can't see a sane alteranitive to make userspace know everytime charge is over (that's an interrupt, so it can be seen both while running and as a resume reason) and to schedule an RTC alarm to wake the device 2hrs later to trigger charge again. |
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| 06:26.26 | Psi | that would be fine |
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| 06:27.22 | Psi | i just disable auto suspend, but sometimes i forget :( |
| 06:28.21 | PaulFertser | Psi: fine and complex to implement... |
| 06:28.29 | Psi | heh yeah |
| 06:32.32 | Psi | so the problem is that charging is over when suspend is entered and so it just runs flat? |
| 06:32.46 | Psi | if it was charging when suspended it would keep charging? |
| 06:43.59 | PaulFertser | Psi: i think it will run flat no matter if it's suspended or not. |
| 06:44.08 | PaulFertser | Psi: the charging is over and nothing triggers it again. |
| 06:44.26 | PaulFertser | Psi: but to be certain i need read the source of the driver and datasheet. |
| 06:44.39 | PaulFertser | Psi: well, you understood me :) |
| 06:46.18 | Psi | it doesnt run flat if the phone is running, i keep mine plugged into usb all the time |
| 06:46.58 | PaulFertser | Psi: need to read the driver to tell why that happens. |
| 06:47.02 | Psi | heh |
| 06:47.22 | PaulFertser | Psi: btw, do you compile the kernel yourself now? |
| 06:47.45 | Psi | not yet, but i do plan to get that all setup so i can |
| 06:48.12 | PaulFertser | Wanted to offer you to try my patches to report capacity in % for gta01_battery driver. |
| 06:48.53 | PaulFertser | Psi: i think i can cook you a binary if you're interested. |
| 06:49.05 | Psi | sure |
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| 07:06.45 | PaulFertser | Psi: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/gta01/ |
| 07:07.21 | PaulFertser | Upload speed is ~50 kb/s, modules might take long... |
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| 07:39.32 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5349 10/developers/werner/fped/ (TODO gui_canvas.c gui_status.c inst.c obj.c): |
| 07:39.32 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - only highlight active frame, not all other iterations as well |
| 07:39.32 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - inst_select now returns 1 if selection was successful. Previous logic of |
| 07:39.32 | CIA-54 | openmoko: trying to detect changes was broken. |
| 07:39.32 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - when deselecting, redraw the canvas |
| 07:39.34 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - hide parameters if nothing is selected |
| 07:39.38 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - converted status area to table |
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| 08:00.29 | Psi | PaulFertser: ok, downloading |
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| 09:00.53 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5350 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/r_us.lib: Fix resistor pin numbers |
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| 09:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: hey... GTA01-batget testsuite. :-) Coooool |
| 09:14.14 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: you saw the report by Psi? He complains that the battery discharges too much when his gta01 is suspended. pcf50606 lacks charging auto-restart :-/ |
| 09:14.22 | PaulFertser | pcf50606 <- shit |
| 09:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | (pcf50606 lacks charging auto-restart :-/) That's confirmed?` |
| 09:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | I seriously doubt that's true |
| 09:15.32 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: not exactly, i several times reread the relevant datasheet pages. Still could have missed the info. |
| 09:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | though I never scrutinized pcf50606 last 18 months |
| 09:18.25 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, your concept with IRQ and RTC is valid. Just augment it to test voltage to be lower than == ~80% charge before restarting charge. In case you REALLY need this nasty hack for 01 |
| 09:20.01 | DocScrutinizer | anyway *my* bet is the 50606 power kernel driver is braindead as nobody understood the implications of mandatory enabling chrg_auto-resume back when |
| 09:20.39 | DocScrutinizer | pcf506xx isn't that bad. Our early drivers are worse than the HW |
| 09:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | lots of myth and misconceptions |
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| 09:22.53 | PaulFertser | :D |
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| 09:27.33 | thrashold | Anyone besides Debian users not using Python 2.6? And how to upgrade my Debian to Python 2.6? :) I'm concerned about using only Python 2.6 features when coding :) |
| 09:28.22 | thrashold | s/only Python 2.6/Python 2.6-only/ |
| 09:36.46 | DocScrutinizer | thrashold: I always thought you just make python version mandatory and don't give a shit anymore. If someone doen't want to install 2.6 (in parallel to any beloved former version) it's his problem, not yours |
| 09:37.31 | DocScrutinizer | ahh, except python 3.0 which is deprecated I read recently ;-D |
| 09:37.53 | thrashold | Well, I don't have Python 2.6, and probably wouldn't be able to have it anytime soon (because I can't compile EFL anymore) |
| 09:37.57 | DocScrutinizer | recommendation is to use 3.1 instead, if you need cutting edge |
| 09:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | why don't you have 2.6? o.O |
| 09:38.25 | thrashold | But I already shoot myself in the foot by creating a Python 2.6 app, putting it on my phone and realising that it's Python 2.6-only when I needed it |
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| 09:38.48 | thrashold | s,shoot,shot, |
| 09:39.20 | thrashold | Because Debian unstable installed 2.5 by default, and I compiled EFL python bindings against Python 2.5 |
| 09:39.28 | thrashold | Python 3.1 is unusable as much as 3.0 :) |
| 09:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | thrashold: you should ask this in #*-devel |
| 09:39.48 | DocScrutinizer | (3.1) sure :-) |
| 09:41.09 | PaulFertser | Am i the only one who doesn't understand LKML web-interface? I can't find a reliable way to read all the message related to the thread. |
| 09:41.34 | thrashold | I got confused by it yesterday |
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| 09:42.36 | DocScrutinizer | damn, LKML. I refuse to read more than 30 posts / day ;-> |
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| 10:12.37 | vinicius | flashing a .ubifs image is the same like a .jffs2, right? |
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| 10:13.30 | PaulFertser | vinicius: if you mean flashing with dfu-util then everything you want to flash should have a DFU footer. |
| 10:17.12 | vinicius | PaulFertser: how do I check for that? |
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| 10:21.08 | vinicius | should I grep for 0xff,0xff,0xff,0xff,0xac,0x05,0x00,0x01,0x55,0x46,0x44,0x10 ? =P |
| 10:24.23 | PaulFertser | vinicius: no idea, i think if you know your build system you know the answer. |
| 10:25.00 | vinicius | actually downloaded shr-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090721-om-gta02.ubifs.img |
| 10:26.50 | vinicius | well burning finished, and i'm seeing a lot of empty flash messages scrolling, I guess it's not supposed to be flashed. |
| 10:26.58 | vinicius | *flashing |
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| 10:38.42 | PaulFertser | vinicius: if dfu-util accepts it it means it's dfu-tranferable. |
| 10:38.58 | PaulFertser | vinicius: but you obviously need kernel support for ubifs. |
| 10:39.27 | PaulFertser | vinicius: and probably some trick to switch from jffs2, i'm not sure. |
| 10:43.18 | thrashold | Upgrading debian to python2.6 looks like an almost impossible task :/ |
| 10:45.04 | PaulFertser | thrashold: harder then cross-compiling emacs? |
| 10:45.35 | thrashold | If cross-compiling emacs is possible, probably yes |
| 10:45.49 | PaulFertser | thrashold: how can it be impossible? |
| 10:46.02 | thrashold | There seems to be no way to do it :) |
| 10:46.30 | thrashold | Whatever you do, python is still symlink to python2.5 |
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| 10:47.11 | rss | how do I send messages through console in SHR? |
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| 10:47.35 | thrashold | talk? :P |
| 10:47.42 | rss | so that I can send message by SSHing into the phone |
| 10:48.00 | rss | message means SMS |
| 10:48.13 | thrashold | rss, read the wiki on manually using SMS, or read about the framework API and use the dbus interface :) |
| 10:48.21 | rss | ok |
| 10:48.35 | rss | I tried exporting display |
| 10:48.57 | rss | and thought if there are any gui apps, that can be run on X on the desktop |
| 10:49.06 | rss | I can copy and paste and send |
| 10:50.36 | thrashold | shr-messages ? :) |
| 10:52.02 | rss | oh cool |
| 10:53.05 | Ainulindale | rss: you can use mdbus |
| 10:53.15 | Ainulindale | rss: to call ogsmd |
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| 10:54.42 | thrashold | Hm, has somebody ported Ubuntu to the FR? :D They have Python 2.6 as default there :D |
| 10:55.12 | jjwc | Why would you port an operating system even more bloated than Debian? :P |
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| 10:59.20 | thrashold | OK, I gave up :) |
| 10:59.47 | larsc | thrashold: openwrt has python 2.6 as default also |
| 11:00.09 | thrashold | Everyone is ahead of Debian :) |
| 11:00.14 | PaulFertser | rss: i sent smses emacs23 ;) |
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| 11:04.48 | rss | PaulFertser: emacs is ahead of every damn OS :P |
| 11:05.27 | jjwc | fears starting a vim-emacs war |
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| 11:13.54 | rss | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device |
| 11:13.54 | rss | org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.SendMessage 'u"thenumber"' 'u"the message"' |
| 11:13.54 | rss | '{}' |
| 11:13.56 | rss | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device |
| 11:13.56 | rss | org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.SendMessage 'u"thenumber"' 'u"the message"' |
| 11:13.58 | rss | '{}' |
| 11:14.19 | rss | that is deprecated |
| 11:17.20 | rss | it worked |
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| 11:29.24 | PaulFertser | jc: hi :) Is openmoko-kernel ML safe to CC when i e.g. write an email to some upstream folks? |
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| 12:23.01 | PBeck | hi |
| 12:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: why not? |
| 12:40.43 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: (if you can cope with the "reply-to:" ;-D ) |
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| 12:41.21 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: the problem with openmoko-kernel is that it used to not allow mails from unsubscribed. |
| 12:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | that's still true I guess |
| 12:41.44 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: that still sucks :( |
| 12:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | to be precise those are held for confirmation |
| 12:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | which might never happen |
| 12:42.41 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: and some stupid "moderation approval" sent back. |
| 12:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
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| 12:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe crossposting isn't the way to do ;) |
| 12:44.08 | bug1 | ive spent a week trying to boot my phone :( |
| 12:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | no matter how hard you try, you never get a synced 2 parallel threads |
| 12:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: duh????????? what's wrong? |
| 12:44.58 | Psi | PaulFertser: it seems to work |
| 12:45.06 | bug1 | can anyone recommend a way to buy a replacment battery that doesnt have big shipping costs ? |
| 12:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: go to a nokia store, get a BL-5C |
| 12:45.47 | PaulFertser | bug1: yes |
| 12:45.53 | Psi | ive not had the time to fully discharge but the battery level pic does seem to fall after i unpluged it for a while |
| 12:45.58 | PaulFertser | bug1: and very soon it will be (almost) fully supported on FR. |
| 12:46.00 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: lacks smart Coloumb-Counter, but generally works |
| 12:46.19 | bug1 | DocScrutinizer: i barely know where to start.... its a power problem, battery is only 3.0 volts, left it overnight and it only got to 3.05 |
| 12:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, |
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| 12:46.50 | PaulFertser | bug1: try to fully turn off FR, take out the battery for 10 seconds. |
| 12:46.56 | bug1 | i have booted from usb cable and no battery before, but cant do it now |
| 12:47.16 | Psi | -> sleep |
| 12:47.22 | bug1 | have read the wiki and tried to boot it about 100 times by now... |
| 12:47.22 | PaulFertser | Psi: good night |
| 12:47.32 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: did you hook up FR to wallcharger, boot to uBoot menu (hold AUX button), then from boot menu select "power down" ? |
| 12:47.39 | PaulFertser | bug1: some hosts allow booting without battery, some not. |
| 12:48.01 | PaulFertser | bug1: the best bet is to boot to NOR with wallcharger. |
| 12:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't that what I told ;-) |
| 12:48.28 | bug1 | i did manage to get it to boot using usb power and battery when it i got it to about 3.1, i got the uboot menu and sleected power off because a wiki entry sugggest it might help charge the bat faster |
| 12:48.30 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i just wanted to confirm |
| 12:48.59 | PaulFertser | Hm, 3.1 should be ok to boot, it's nowhere near deep discharge. |
| 12:49.21 | bug1 | i cant boot from wall, have 2 different usb chargers (1 official one), i have 0 volts on the battery terminal |
| 12:49.28 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: so let device charge in this state for 2 hours (after you selected "power down") and bat should be charged |
| 12:49.51 | bug1 | sometimes when i power it up it has 1v on battery terminals which discharges the battery |
| 12:49.56 | PaulFertser | bug1: do you have a5 or a6? |
| 12:50.15 | bug1 | umm... a6 i think |
| 12:50.23 | PaulFertser | bug1: try to boot without any battery from NOR and wall charger. |
| 12:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: can you boot to NOR |
| 12:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 12:50.35 | bug1 | no |
| 12:50.39 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
| 12:50.52 | DocScrutinizer | what's wrong? |
| 12:51.23 | bug1 | the wall charger and dboard give me no response, and i have 0v on the battery terminals |
| 12:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: hook up to OM-wallcharger, hold AUX, press power, release AUX |
| 12:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: don't use debug board for now! |
| 12:52.31 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: hook up to OM-wallcharger, hold AUX, press power, release AUX. You should get to "u-Boot menu (NOR)" |
| 12:52.37 | bug1 | Docscrutinizer: just tried that, nothing |
| 12:52.50 | PaulFertser | bug1: hold power longer |
| 12:53.04 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: (not for NOR) |
| 12:53.27 | bug1 | last thing i did wit hit is flash the new 2009 image (i forget its name) and i installed the qi bootloader... i wonder if that has anything to do with it |
| 12:53.39 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: (usually, dunno which wacky NOR uBoot he has) |
| 12:53.41 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: no, really, <1sec of holding power is not enough |
| 12:53.51 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: for my device which has stock u-boot. |
| 12:53.52 | DocScrutinizer | bug |
| 12:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: possible |
| 12:54.58 | bug1 | just held it down for 20 sec or so, still no response |
| 12:55.06 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: insert battery, hook up to OM-wallcharger, press & hold AUX, press power for >4sec, release AUX. You should get to "u-Boot menu (NOR)" |
| 12:55.10 | PaulFertser | bug1: no, 1-2 should be enough |
| 12:55.21 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: exactly |
| 12:55.55 | bug1 | but i suspect my wallcharger is broken actually... i have had more luck from usb on my laptop |
| 12:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: no response at all? no flashing AUX LED, no scratching sound from device, no flashing screen? |
| 12:56.37 | bug1 | somtimes i just get the aux button flashign red 5 or 6 times, is thast some special message, or just indicates low bat ? |
| 12:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: seems your wallcharger is borked, or mains outlet is 0V AC |
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| 12:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: indicates low bat with NAND uBoot |
| 12:57.35 | bug1 | i tried subscribing to the support channel, when i posted this issue i got a response saying i wasnt authorised to post :( |
| 12:57.36 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: fix walcharger |
| 12:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: (support) starnge. maybe you didn't confirm or sth? |
| 12:58.18 | bug1 | i have a usb wallcharge for a mot phone, it gives me the same problem |
| 12:58.23 | bug1 | motorola |
| 12:58.51 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: motorola wallcharger is diferent. Has no magic resistor which FR needs to detect charger |
| 12:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | so... fix OM-wallcharger |
| 12:59.20 | DocScrutinizer | you'll need it anyway every now and then |
| 12:59.27 | bug1 | actually, i know the chargers arent totally sutffed as the led's light up on the dboard when i use them as a power source |
| 12:59.51 | bug1 | k |
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| 13:00.42 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: I'm concerned you messed NOR uBoot with debug board |
| 13:01.27 | bug1 | i havent used my dboard for anything other than power |
| 13:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: alas it's hard to learn how to boot FR if you didn't manage to handle debug board correctly and NOR is borked |
| 13:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: aah, ok then. No chance you messed NIOR then prolly |
| 13:02.24 | bug1 | i did pull the phone appart a while ago and broke the usb socket off, but had it fixed by someone who does smt soldering, and had no problems untill recently |
| 13:02.37 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: make sure your aux button does a sensible click when pressing |
| 13:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | hmmmmm |
| 13:02.59 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
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| 13:03.20 | DocScrutinizer | so this opens a plethora of error-modes |
| 13:03.21 | bug1 | i guess i will just try and recharge the bat again as much as i can and retry it |
| 13:03.54 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: you got an old Nokia charger? with barrel connector |
| 13:04.01 | bug1 | no |
| 13:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 13:05.15 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: go to a cellphone store and get yourself a second source nokia-bat (BL-5C) charger |
| 13:05.36 | bug1 | k |
| 13:05.56 | DocScrutinizer | ask to test the charge in store with your GTA02-bat |
| 13:06.07 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: what about using two AA batteries to boot FR and then to hotswap? |
| 13:06.28 | DocScrutinizer | might work, but honestly §V is too low probably |
| 13:06.32 | DocScrutinizer | 3V |
| 13:06.36 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: 3 batteries then |
| 13:06.48 | bug1 | i can get the batteyr i have to 3 volts |
| 13:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | 3 cells NiCad would be better |
| 13:07.28 | bug1 | well, maybe i should just buy a bl-5c battery instead of a charger ? |
| 13:07.45 | DocScrutinizer | how to charge this bat then? ;) |
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| 13:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | assuming it doesn't necesarily come with 100% capacity |
| 13:08.30 | bug1 | if it does boot with it then wouldnt the om charge it ? |
| 13:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | IFFF it boots then yes |
| 13:10.07 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: I suspect you got a broken pin on your USB receptacle |
| 13:10.17 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: probably ID-pin |
| 13:10.28 | bug1 | hmm |
| 13:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: the one needed to detect magic Resistor |
| 13:10.43 | bug1 | thats the middle one ? |
| 13:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | hum |
| 13:10.59 | bug1 | i have a multimeter i migth be able to test it |
| 13:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | I think it's one of the outer pins |
| 13:11.23 | DocScrutinizer | please check with schematics, I have to run now |
| 13:11.30 | PaulFertser | bug1: not in the middle, let me show you |
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| 13:11.54 | PaulFertser | bug1: http://pinouts.ru/connectors/mini-usb_male.gif |
| 13:12.01 | PaulFertser | bug1: the one marked "X" |
| 13:12.21 | bug1 | i have 26kohms between the two pins closest to the middle of the phone |
| 13:12.39 | PaulFertser | bug1: the resistor is in the charger, not in the phone |
| 13:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | leaving bridge, PaulFertser please take over |
| 13:12.44 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: :D |
| 13:12.48 | PaulFertser | I'll manage it ;) |
| 13:12.53 | bug1 | oh |
| 13:13.34 | bug1 | a bit hard to get to that to test it |
| 13:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: disasseble FR, plug n Wallcharger (unpowered!), use slderpoints of USB-receptacle to probe resistance from ID to GND. Inspect solder points of USB-recepacle *carefully* |
| 13:16.33 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: TAKE CARE you never use a cheap meter with a prbe vltage >1.5V! |
| 13:17.24 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: imho it'd be easier to somehow boot first. And then he'll just know from software if ID detection works or not. |
| 13:18.07 | DocScrutinizer | yup, but seems hard to boot. Anyway, a valid aproach as well (not *my* approach, U know EE speaking ;) ) |
| 13:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | away |
| 13:18.50 | DocScrutinizer | reclaim money for borked uSD |
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| 13:21.06 | bug1 | i managed to read 26kohms on the wall charger between the x and each adjacent one, got to using the dboard connector |
| 13:21.27 | DocScrutinizer | 47k |
| 13:21.36 | bug1 | hmm |
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| 13:23.19 | bug1 | well, i might leave it at that and get a new 5c charger (a maybe battery as well) so at least i can have a proper battery charge |
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| 13:24.36 | bug1 | thanks for the advice, im going to go and try and find a distraction from it now.... |
| 13:25.26 | bug1 | i will check in tommorow and let you know how i went |
| 13:25.37 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: http://om.quatrox.org/om/ |
| 13:26.17 | DocScrutinizer | bug1: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#How_to_make_a_USB_cable_for_powering_attached_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode_.28aka_Y-Cable.29 |
| 13:26.33 | PaulFertser | bug1: nokia phones don't charge gta02 battery btw |
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| 13:36.32 | bug1 | night |
| 13:36.39 | Infoport | grrr...put SHR on FR, but can't get usb0 to show up on laptop (even though it did before) |
| 13:37.34 | Infoport | running Ubuntu 9.04, with recent kernel update from Ubuntu. ifconfig doesnt even show usb0 |
| 13:37.34 | tig| | Infoport: isn't it now eth2 on the laptop end |
| 13:37.58 | tig| | (assuming you don't already have an eth2) |
| 13:38.18 | Infoport | how would that have changed? I don't show eth2 either though |
| 13:38.33 | tig| | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#So_is_it_.22usb0.22_or_is_it_.22eth1.22.3F |
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| 13:40.40 | Infoport | hmm! I re-read that earlier, but missed the last line saying Android and SHR act differently now |
| 13:43.28 | Infoport | maybe another power cycle (and closer attention to MAC addresses in Network Tools)... |
| 13:46.31 | Infoport | tig -- Eureka! ifconfig -a shows eth1, with the MAC address from the FR. Now I just need to un the commands setting up forwarding, etc |
| 13:47.40 | Infoport | I had gotten out my notepad with MAC addresses, computer partitions, etc, but it had a diff MAC address for the usb connection (I guess a randomly generated one) |
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| 13:55.49 | Infoport | tig: thank you!! I couldn't figure out why SHR wasn't even SEEN (FSO 2009, OpenWRT different) |
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| 13:57.48 | tig| | No problem :) |
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| 13:59.06 | PaulFertser | Infoport: wasn't idea to look at your host's dmesg obvious? |
| 14:01.14 | Infoport | probably. I saw eth1 in Network Tools earlier, but MAC address didn't match notepad. Also, usb0 had worked for me so many times, and I didn't realize that the phone-OS could change how that was seen |
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| 14:04.14 | Infoport | the OpenWRT distro was driving me nuts-- every time I brought out the phone, it had some long string in the dialer, waiting to call in my pocket (no screen LOCK) |
| 14:05.07 | Infoport | I still want to play with OpenWRT, but I needed another distro on here (other than old one's, broken) |
| 14:07.44 | Infoport | I discounted the eth1 that was in Network Tools, along with "pan0" (still not sure what that is for) |
| 14:08.15 | Infoport | and my host tends to not get usb0 after plug/unplug, unless you reboot host |
| 14:16.37 | Infoport | now I just wish SHR was on NVRAM and OpenWRT on SD card, work for later |
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| 14:17.52 | Infoport | hmm, opkg doesn't complain of unsigned files now |
| 14:18.19 | tig| | Infoport: yeah they swapped it not long ago for one that does not check the GPG keys |
| 14:20.26 | Infoport | tig\ lol, guess that is ONE way to stop the error msgs |
| 14:21.48 | SpeedEvil | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/apple_claims_new_iphone_only |
| 14:21.50 | SpeedEvil | genius |
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| 14:23.06 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: LOL |
| 14:23.47 | SpeedEvil | starts an ebay listing for GTA04. |
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| 14:25.15 | Infoport | oooh, I hope the GTA04 is as pretty as the iPhone 3Gi |
| 14:26.21 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: what do usually smart people say when they see a link like that? "LOL" seems to be too vurglar. |
| 14:26.23 | SpeedEvil | It has an FPGA - _And_ a V12 that runs on tears. |
| 14:26.51 | Infoport | maybe that could be a new flashmob gathering (og new iPhone 3Gi users) |
| 14:27.17 | Infoport | embrace the TLA! |
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| 14:28.02 | Infoport | Rosebud... |
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| 14:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, got the last one :-)) http://www.kkcomputer.de/Default.aspx?tabid=34&txtSearch=17278&List=0&SortField=0&ProductID=11667&Pics=1 |
| 14:34.32 | Infoport | theOnion should have had coverage of Microsoft contributing code to the Linux kernel |
| 14:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | 12V & 110/220V IN! USB-5V out & 12V..25V out |
| 14:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | smart little device :-> |
| 14:36.27 | Infoport | what does the LCD of that power device display? |
| 14:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | 12, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 22, 24 |
| 14:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | or sth like that |
| 14:37.38 | DocScrutinizer | set output voltage with pushbutton, no longer than 30sec after plug in to mains (locks after 30sec - cute) |
| 14:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | non-volatile as well (aka sticky setting - makes sense) |
| 14:39.32 | DocScrutinizer | probably I couldn't have designed it better |
| 14:42.00 | DocScrutinizer | Well, I'd include the agic 47k to ID pin of USB->miniUSB5 adapter accessory ;-) |
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| 14:43.09 | SpeedEvil | I have one of those with a non-volatile voltage storage, and safety interlock. |
| 14:43.13 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: what about current limiting? |
| 14:43.19 | SpeedEvil | Well - OK - it's duct tape on the switch. |
| 14:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | says "short protect, 3A75 max |
| 14:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 14:44.11 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: to me current limiting is an essential functionality for a lab PSU. |
| 14:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: that's no lab PSU |
| 14:44.32 | PaulFertser | away, sorry |
| 14:44.32 | Infoport | I use an iGo charger when traveling (and inside once I'm there) and found that one mini-USB tip charged at 100mA (unless forced) but a diff mini-USB tip always goes to 1000mA |
| 14:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | it's a tracvel adapter |
| 14:45.43 | Infoport | now if only there were a way to charge my FIC batteries OUTSIDE the phone |
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| 14:45.48 | DocScrutinizer | anyway going to torture my Nokia 16GB uSD now ;-D |
| 14:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | Infoport: use 2nd source Nokia charger |
| 14:47.23 | Infoport | DocScrutinizer: do you have a name of one that works? |
| 14:49.24 | DocScrutinizer | Infoport: sorry nope |
| 14:49.58 | DocScrutinizer | every non-Nokia-brand charger that claims to charge BL-5C should work |
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| 14:52.09 | DocScrutinizer | for charging FIC in a Nokia phone you could place a single-sided contact foil over the middle contact and connect the conductive surface to GND via ~10K |
| 14:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | err, mompl. need to check if that's been 10k or 80k for BL-5C |
| 14:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | FSCK!!! sorry my meter batteries run flat :-( |
| 14:57.14 | Infoport | don't have a Nokia phone, so I guess I'll just source a charger (and a power cord apparently! that's how they get it so cheap) |
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| 15:02.05 | Infoport | hmm, some at DealExtreme, same place I bought my GPS antenna (hard to find with right plug) |
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| 15:07.09 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: remove meter battery, leave out for 5 minutes, replace, then plug into a motherboard USB port. :) |
| 15:07.33 | Infoport | *sigh* the DealExtreme charger seems nice, until you read a review that says it gets hot enough it might catch fire |
| 15:08.48 | DocScrutinizer | the nokia 16GB SD yields a vfat write bandwidth of 3.8MB/s (on dd bs=100M) |
| 15:08.57 | DocScrutinizer | on laptop |
| 15:09.09 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 15:09.33 | SpeedEvil | has a 4G that does 12. |
| 15:09.51 | DocScrutinizer | on vfat? |
| 15:09.57 | SpeedEvil | on dd |
| 15:10.01 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 15:10.04 | SpeedEvil | write |
| 15:10.11 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sceptic as dd maxes out my 2 cores with IO |
| 15:10.12 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure about write on reflection |
| 15:10.47 | DocScrutinizer | dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/disk-2/xxx bs=100M count=120 |
| 15:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | 22+0 records in |
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| 15:12.50 | DocScrutinizer | 2306867200 bytes (2.3 GB) copied, 662.985 s, 3.5 MB/s |
| 15:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | well maybe that's all I may expect via USB-stick. At least no IO-errors yet |
| 15:14.58 | DocScrutinizer | yay... HOT |
| 15:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 15:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if those uSD have some sort of thermal throttling |
| 15:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | ...or whether it lets escape magic smoke soonish |
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| 15:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | 2936012800 bytes (2.9 GB) copied, 1001.01 s, 2.9 MB/s |
| 15:18.31 | SpeedEvil | What's read? |
| 15:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | still busy writing ;) |
| 15:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | might consider to abort prematurely |
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| 15:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | still sceptic: load average: 10.57, 9.63, 6.81 |
| 15:21.53 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 15:22.16 | DocScrutinizer | yupp. USB prot overhead? |
| 15:22.19 | SpeedEvil | Though I was surprised last night to get 90% load on dd reading my USB hard drive at 30M/s |
| 15:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | 3565158400 bytes (3.6 GB) copied, 1350.59 s, 2.6 MB/s |
| 15:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ ???? |
| 15:24.32 | SpeedEvil | Maybe try watercooling it. |
| 15:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | maybe actually thermal throttling |
| 15:25.22 | DocScrutinizer | heh :-) |
| 15:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | got better means |
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| 15:26.02 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if it's the flash taking longer to program at elevate temperature |
| 15:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | we'll get to know ;) |
| 15:26.46 | DocScrutinizer | "cools down to -52°C" |
| 15:27.50 | SpeedEvil | I note that one group I'm involved peripheraly with has been doing that. |
| 15:28.24 | SpeedEvil | Flying commodity POS cameras up to 30Km on latex balloons. |
| 15:28.28 | SpeedEvil | -52C outside. |
| 15:28.59 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ukhas.org.uk/ |
| 15:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | 37+0 records out |
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| 15:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | 38+0 records out |
| 15:29.25 | DocScrutinizer | 3984588800 bytes (4.0 GB) copied, 1658.33 s, 2.4 MB/s |
| 15:29.29 | DocScrutinizer | :-(( |
| 15:29.41 | SpeedEvil | in? |
| 15:29.54 | DocScrutinizer | write, at -52° |
| 15:30.18 | DocScrutinizer | cooling didn't stop the slowing tendency |
| 15:30.59 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if it's slowing due to wear leveling |
| 15:31.25 | DocScrutinizer | eeeeek! CURSE VFAT!!! DAMN |
| 15:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | dd: writing `/media/disk-2/xxx': File too large |
| 15:32.01 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 15:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | k, now for read |
| 15:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | ... |
| 15:33.28 | DocScrutinizer | 3+0 records out |
| 15:33.29 | DocScrutinizer | 314572800 bytes (315 MB) copied, 20.4757 s, 15.4 MB/s |
| 15:33.41 | Infoport | opkg upgrade existed with a Seg Fault, now opkd update says "opkg: error while loading shared libraries: libopkg.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 15:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | cpu load <60% |
| 15:36.21 | SpeedEvil | I wonder why. |
| 15:36.40 | SpeedEvil | I wouldn';t have thought inherently DMA'ng from a USB HA is _that_ slow |
| 15:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | 40+1 records in |
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| 15:36.44 | DocScrutinizer | 4294967295 bytes (4.3 GB) copied, 210.263 s, 20.4 MB/s |
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| 15:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | so good so far |
| 15:38.00 | Infoport | opkg: error while loading shared libraries: libopkg.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
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| 15:40.24 | Infoport | crap. opkg --help gives me the same |
| 15:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | Infoport: find / -name libopkg |
| 15:41.51 | DocScrutinizer | Infoport: U missed to install modules? |
| 15:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | ((though libopkg.so doesn't exactly sound like a kernel module anyway)) |
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| 15:44.42 | Infoport | I *did* miss installing modules (unzipping them in / now) but opkg update worke the first time |
| 15:47.47 | Infoport | the find command didn't find it |
| 15:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | so not much of a surprise opkg claims it can't load ;) |
| 15:48.50 | Infoport | but it loaded at first (then borked itself) |
| 15:51.00 | Infoport | guess I can shutdown, delete rootfs files, re-populate card on PC (USB stick SD reader) |
| 15:51.36 | Infoport | opkg SegFaulted because of "too many files" |
| 15:52.36 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5351 10/developers/werner/fped/ (10 files): |
| 15:52.36 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added infrastructure for editing values |
| 15:52.36 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added editing of pad names |
| 15:52.36 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - moved "expand" from obj.c to expr.c and added syntax-check mode |
| 15:52.37 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - "expand": reject $ not followed by identifier character or { |
| 15:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: |
| 15:54.13 | DocScrutinizer | root@om-gta02 ~ $ dd if=/media/card/xxx of=/dev/null bs=100M |
| 15:54.15 | DocScrutinizer | dd: memory exhausted |
| 15:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | root@om-gta02 ~ $ dd if=/media/card/xxx of=/dev/null bs=50M |
| 15:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | ^Zbg |
| 15:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | [1]+ Stopped dd if=/media/card/xxx of=/dev/null bs=50M |
| 15:54.20 | DocScrutinizer | root@om-gta02 ~ $ bg |
| 15:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | [1]+ dd if=/media/card/xxx of=/dev/null bs=50M & |
| 15:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | root@om-gta02 ~ $ kill -SIGUSR1 %1 |
| 15:54.25 | DocScrutinizer | root@om-gta02 ~ $ 3+0 records in |
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| 15:54.46 | SpeedEvil | that's on what? |
| 15:54.56 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 15:55.00 | SpeedEvil | the clue is in the prompt. |
| 15:55.06 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 15:55.29 | SpeedEvil | I recall getting a bit faster on GTA01 - but only a bit |
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| 15:57.08 | DocScrutinizer | amazingly enough, cpu-load on my laptop is next to ZERO ;-P |
| 15:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | 90.7%sy |
| 15:59.44 | DocScrutinizer | and WTF??? |
| 15:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | root@om-gta02 ~ $ top |
| 15:59.49 | DocScrutinizer | Unknown HZ value! (88) Assume 100. |
| 15:59.50 | DocScrutinizer | top - 01:12:19 up 11 min, 1 user, load average: 5.03, 3.96, 2.13 |
| 16:00.09 | SpeedEvil | Is it confused by tickless? |
| 16:01.00 | DocScrutinizer | reproducable |
| 16:01.12 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ )( |
| 16:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | top |
| 16:01.45 | DocScrutinizer | Unknown HZ value! (88) Assume 100. |
| 16:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | top - 01:14:12 up 13 min, 1 user, load average: 3.90, 3.95, 2.34 |
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| 16:10.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I cnsider to repartition to have a Very Fat vfat for first partition to hold kernel and general usb-stick usage trans-platform, and rootfs on a rather small (some 2GB) ext3 partition at end of uSD. Sounds stupid? |
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| 16:12.54 | SpeedEvil | Is it actually vfat that's slow? |
| 16:13.07 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 16:13.08 | SpeedEvil | right |
| 16:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | dunno. think it's SD-interface |
| 16:13.22 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember that windows objects to partitioned SDs |
| 16:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | that's the point |
| 16:13.53 | SpeedEvil | I mean - partitioned - even as vfat |
| 16:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | I hope it doesn't bother having an ext3 as 2. partition |
| 16:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | redmond crap |
| 16:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
| 16:15.14 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I ask ;-) |
| 16:15.26 | SpeedEvil | There is always the stupid loopback option. |
| 16:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
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| 16:16.23 | SpeedEvil | a 12G (or whatever) file on the vfat containing a loopback |
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| 16:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | ahh, no I don't expect big issues with linux |
| 16:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | if uBoot finds kernel on a 12GB vfat partition |
| 16:17.36 | DocScrutinizer | my concern is mainly usb-stick usage with windows |
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| 16:18.55 | SpeedEvil | I would offer to boot and test it - but I'm trying to keep my windows use down. |
| 16:19.10 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 16:19.19 | SpeedEvil | At about 1 min/year averaged over the last decade :) |
| 16:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | I'll pester one of my billophil friends then |
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| 16:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | constant |
| 16:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | no IO-errors :-))) yeeeha, this bugger seems to work |
| 16:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | Kingston really odd, first 16GB borked, then they were unable to replace o.O |
| 16:22.07 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind, Nokia been 8 bucks cheaper |
| 16:22.21 | DocScrutinizer | and woooooorks |
| 16:24.43 | DocScrutinizer | btw the nokia card itself is clearly noname, both adapter and uSD ;-P. Blisterpack says "made in Taiwan", uSD has "160 Japan" imprinted |
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| 16:26.55 | DocScrutinizer | adapter is "made in China" - lol |
| 16:27.19 | DocScrutinizer | at least label is Nokia Blue |
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| 16:40.27 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5352 10/developers/werner/fped/ (README TODO fpd.l fpd.y qfn.fpd): |
| 16:40.27 | CIA-54 | openmoko: syntax cleanup: |
| 16:40.27 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - keywords no longer begin with a dot |
| 16:40.27 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - variable assignments must begin with the keyword "set", e.g., set a = 5 |
| 16:40.27 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - vectors must begin with the keyword "vec", e.g., vec @(1mm, 2mm) |
| 16:40.27 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - named points use <name>: instead of <name> =, e.g., pos: vec @(1mm, 2mm) |
| 16:40.27 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - loops use the keyword "loop", not "set" |
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| 16:57.48 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5353 10/trunk/eda/: Directory for Electronic Design Automation tools. |
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| 17:04.39 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: |
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| 17:05.01 | SpeedEvil | Woo! |
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| 18:24.00 | Infoport | well damn, seems like the workaround for the opkg "fork failed" issue doesn't work for me either. guess I can't upgrade |
| 18:25.10 | Infoport | or can't upgrade SHR at least |
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| 18:26.40 | Infoport | Phil Collins with a mullet looks a lot like Bill Murray |
| 18:27.05 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rddc9aaaf804a 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_calls.py: opimd: Calls: fix typo in GetSingleCallSingleField method |
| 18:32.41 | Infoport | dammit, now no boot for SHR, time to delete and repopulate AGAIN |
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| 18:39.04 | dos1 | Infoport: it's already fixed |
| 18:39.16 | dos1 | Infoport: just "opkg install opkg libopkg0" before upgrading... |
| 18:50.30 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: MUHAHA, nice idea for opkg to shoot it's own foot |
| 18:52.34 | DocScrutinizer | hre's another few: 'rm -rf /', "swapon /" |
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| 19:01.27 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rcf173c7eafd3 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/helpers.py: opimd: helpers: fix typo in NoMoreCalls dbus exception |
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| 19:04.44 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * rae7914102051 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (helpers.py pimd_generic.py): opimd: add GenericDomain |
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| 19:48.19 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rde6aee7a01f1 10/tools/mdbus2/ (13 files in 2 dirs): tools: add mdbus2 skeleton |
| 19:48.20 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd61b2277708b 10/tools/mdbus2/src/main.vala: mdbus2: listing bus names and listing objects done |
| 19:48.21 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9646c7ea3ec5 10/tools/mdbus2/src/main.vala: mdbus2: use glib markup parser, should be sufficient for dbus introspection data |
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| 19:48.24 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * raf54ecc5cf12 10/tools/mdbus2/src/main.vala: mdbus2: handle properties |
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| 19:48.30 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rba79f8186a72 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:cornucopia |
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| 20:17.27 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: so it seems that everything needed for basic sound functionality is already documented by free software kernel drivers with lots of special ioctls? |
| 20:17.52 | Gnutoo | PaulFertser, yes there is even a free software test program |
| 20:18.25 | Gnutoo | sound was crucial for me |
| 20:18.38 | Gnutoo | I don't care about 3d but I care about the rest |
| 20:18.39 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: too bad those scumbags didn't implement alsa driver :( |
| 20:18.43 | Gnutoo | yes |
| 20:18.48 | Gnutoo | what can we do? |
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| 20:19.01 | Gnutoo | should we re-write each app? |
| 20:19.07 | Gnutoo | or is there something else to do? |
| 20:19.11 | Gnutoo | s/re-write/adapt |
| 20:20.36 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r9d2925087394 10/src/ (6 files): regen |
| 20:20.41 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: of course you should write an alsa driver. |
| 20:20.47 | Gnutoo | ok |
| 20:20.51 | Gnutoo | how does it work? |
| 20:21.00 | Gnutoo | is it possible to write it in userland? |
| 20:21.29 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: what? I saw ioctls in the test program, it means that all the code to actually use hardware is in kernel already. Someone needs to read it, write the specs, then write an alsa driver. |
| 20:21.36 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: that'd be a sane approach. |
| 20:21.39 | Gnutoo | ok |
| 20:21.53 | Gnutoo | what are alsalibs? |
| 20:21.54 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: imho. As you aim at supporting G1 properly. |
| 20:21.57 | Gnutoo | yes |
| 20:21.58 | Gnutoo | ok |
| 20:22.02 | Gnutoo | we will do that then |
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| 20:22.21 | Gnutoo | in #htc-linux they pointed me at a special sound card |
| 20:22.43 | Gnutoo | <tmzt> maybe like emu10k works now, since that's a dsp I think |
| 20:22.43 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: alsalibs is the userspace portion of ALSA. Apps do not use alsa ioctls directly, they employ alsalib which has plenty of additional functionality (configs, plugins etc) |
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| 20:22.54 | Gnutoo | ok |
| 20:23.06 | Gnutoo | I'll look into alsa when I will have basic image working |
| 20:23.06 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: i think you have kernel sources for that driver, right? |
| 20:23.13 | Gnutoo | I'm compiling the kernel right now |
| 20:23.15 | Gnutoo | yes |
| 20:23.16 | Gnutoo | I have |
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| 20:23.33 | Gnutoo | someone tested the test program without the proprietary libs and it worked |
| 20:23.37 | Gnutoo | so I bought the G1 |
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| 20:24.01 | Gnutoo | someone also told me that the test program wasn't android specific and could work on GNU/Linux |
| 20:24.18 | Gnutoo | http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/misc/playwav2.c |
| 20:24.56 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: i've just read it before talking to you. |
| 20:25.06 | Gnutoo | ok |
| 20:25.25 | Gnutoo | and? |
| 20:25.33 | Gnutoo | what do you think of it? |
| 20:27.18 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: the program is using kernel driver almost "raw". So the driver source should have all the information. Let me look at it. |
| 20:27.28 | Gnutoo | ok thanks a lot!!! |
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| 20:29.32 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: can you pass me a link to the kernel source? |
| 20:29.35 | Gnutoo | yes |
| 20:29.37 | Gnutoo | it's a git |
| 20:30.06 | Gnutoo | git://android.git.kernel.org/kernel/msm |
| 20:30.18 | Gnutoo | I can pastebin you the source or send it to you in tarball if you want |
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| 20:37.03 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: np |
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| 21:06.31 | Think-Free | Hi ! I'm trying to connect to a wireless network from console but dhclient doesn't work on shr ... anyway to get it working ? |
| 21:07.31 | Think-Free | ... or other way to connect from console ... |
| 21:08.45 | PaulFertser | Think-Free: how doesn't dhclient work? |
| 21:08.53 | PaulFertser | Think-Free: are you sure you're associated? |
| 21:09.18 | zlfita | there is no dhcpd on SHR afaik |
| 21:09.27 | zlfita | there is udhcd or something |
| 21:09.52 | Think-Free | yes, sure I'm associated, dhclient seems broken |
| 21:09.55 | PaulFertser | zlfita: he's asking about dhcp client |
| 21:10.05 | PaulFertser | Think-Free: ah, one more thing |
| 21:10.08 | Think-Free | udhcpd ? I'll try |
| 21:10.30 | zlfita | PaulFertser: i understand but some distros use some replacement instead of dhclient |
| 21:10.31 | Gnutoo | 1)enable wifi in the settings |
| 21:10.33 | PaulFertser | Think-Free: sometimes you're associated with AP but can't get IP actually. Try "wmiconf -i eth0 --power maxperf" |
| 21:10.46 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: he's talking about console way |
| 21:10.53 | Gnutoo | 2)iwconfig eth0 essid your_essid |
| 21:10.58 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: and the best console way with FSO is fsoraw. |
| 21:11.03 | Gnutoo | 3)udhcpc -i eth0 |
| 21:11.08 | Gnutoo | ok |
| 21:11.09 | Gnutoo | sorry |
| 21:11.10 | Think-Free | That's not the problem, I'm sure I'm associated |
| 21:11.14 | Gnutoo | I myust go |
| 21:11.21 | PaulFertser | Think-Free: try the wmiconfig trick |
| 21:11.24 | PaulFertser | Gnutoo: see you. |
| 21:11.32 | Think-Free | That's a problem with dhclient, it give me errors |
| 21:11.36 | Gnutoo | bye |
| 21:11.41 | PaulFertser | Think-Free: can you pastebin them? |
| 21:12.00 | Think-Free | yes, wait, I'm connection to the neo |
| 21:14.08 | Think-Free | execve (/etc/dhclient-script, ...): No such file or directory |
| 21:14.08 | Think-Free | exiting. |
| 21:14.09 | Think-Free | execve (/etc/dhclient-script, ...): No such file or directory |
| 21:14.09 | Think-Free | exiting. |
| 21:14.29 | Think-Free | ( installed with opkg from repository ) |
| 21:15.13 | Think-Free | udhcpc works, thanks !!!! |
| 21:15.32 | DocScrutinizer | (<PaulFertser> Gnutoo: he's talking about console way) so still he needs to power up wifi for a first step, no? ;-D |
| 21:15.45 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yes, for that fsoraw is the way to go :) |
| 21:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | ack, correct |
| 21:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | though the devel of mokonnect(?) thought differently :-/ |
| 21:16.40 | Think-Free | Have to go, thanks ;) |
| 21:17.16 | PaulFertser | Think-Free: and udhcpc is installed by default ;) |
| 21:17.27 | PaulFertser | Think-Free: ok, so probably dhclient packaging should be fixed |
| 21:17.42 | PaulFertser | Think-Free: don't forget the trick, you'll need it for some access points! |
| 21:18.51 | DocScrutinizer | AIUI mokonnect just switches wifi-power policy to manual-on, and leaves it like this. So after you started mokonnect, you need to open settings to switch OFF wifi eventually (if you even notice it's powered on permanently now) |
| 21:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
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| 21:38.12 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07dos/opimd-tracking * r0ddc2f28f53d 10framework/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_generic.py: opimd: GenericDomain: implement merging |
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| 22:11.07 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5354 10/developers/werner/fped/ (14 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 22:11.07 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - some more language documentation details and cleanup |
| 22:11.07 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added more details to color scheme for selecting non-canvas items |
| 22:11.07 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - moved is_id from expr.c to util.c |
| 22:11.07 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - loops now keep their variable name in "struct var", to allow better code |
| 22:11.08 | CIA-54 | openmoko: sharing with other variable-related functions |
| 22:11.10 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - variable names can now be edited |
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| 22:16.11 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5355 10/developers/werner/fped/TODO: Reorganized TODO. |
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| 23:24.04 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5356 10/developers/werner/fped/ (11 files): |
| 23:24.04 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - frame color wasn't set back to "selected" when selecting an item while |
| 23:24.04 | CIA-54 | openmoko: editing the frame name |
| 23:24.04 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added "extern" to all variable declarations in headers |
| 23:24.04 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - new functions stralloc_printf and stralloc_vprintf to printf into a malloc'ed |
| 23:24.06 | CIA-54 | openmoko: buffer |
| 23:24.08 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - errors during instantiation are now reported to the GUI |
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| 23:39.34 | Psi | anyone know where there is a package for fbgrab? |
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