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| 05:45.06 | PaulFertser | Slaxxer: nice. Where do you get it from? |
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| 07:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: sorry, no batlog for delayed charge-end detection |
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| 08:19.31 | tarelerulz | Can the public buy openmoko's phone and is it read for normal users ? |
| 08:26.04 | neomilium | tarelerulz: Openmoko FreeRunner phone can be bought by public of course. But softwares are not ready to be use by anybody. |
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| 08:28.39 | tarelerulz | I went to openmoko site and It said the phone comes with flickr and youtube . That sounds pretty close to me. From that I thought maybe it was readly |
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| 08:29.07 | nullix | to get software you need to connect to iMokoTunes ssite, register here with iMokoTunes program that works only under Linux. Then you will be able to buy upgrades each are a little more than 30 dollars... |
| 08:29.43 | CVirus | wtf ? |
| 08:30.20 | nullix | no, ah sorry, openmoko was not yet bought by apple... |
| 08:30.25 | CVirus | LOL |
| 08:32.18 | tarelerulz | Can it make phone call and all the funtions that go along with that . like having contacts , texting |
| 08:32.40 | nullix | in fact there is already a free store accessed with a wonderfull programs called 'ssh' and 'wget' |
| 08:34.47 | PaulFertser | nullix++ |
| 08:34.51 | nullix | for me openmoko is not for abnormal users. |
| 08:35.40 | nullix | perhaps for subnormal ones :-) |
| 08:35.54 | tarelerulz | Can it make phone calls ? |
| 08:36.13 | nullix | yes it can. |
| 08:37.22 | tarelerulz | Can you have contacts and do texting ? |
| 08:37.30 | nullix | if 'ssh'ing your phone doesn't trigger in your mind a lighting spot, then this phone is not for you. |
| 08:39.12 | tarelerulz | SSH is cool and all ,but it would be more inportant to make sure it can do what phone is made for first . Don't get me wrong I love Linux and the whole idea of it ,but I would like real phone too |
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| 08:40.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | in your humble opinion ;) |
| 08:40.14 | nullix | well, it took me four month to replace my normal phone with openmoko, i have to take care to not change the working system, but i have a sdcard and alternate thingies on it. |
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| 08:40.51 | nullix | then with it i can send and receive calls and send short messages |
| 08:41.31 | nullix | i had to deactivate pin code on my sims since it was not working with. |
| 08:43.28 | nullix | Kamping_Kaiser: i forgot to take my pills for humility todaysXXXXX this year. |
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| 08:44.12 | tarelerulz | Nullix one you got it to where you could send and get phone calls and sent text , how relieable was it ? Did it crash doing that |
| 08:44.56 | lindi_ | < lindi_> wrote a simple touchscreen locking program that does not let X turn the backlight on when it is locked thus saving energy: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/touchscreen-lock.c -- any comments? |
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| 08:47.41 | nullix | tarelerulz: i had quality voice problems and sound levels problems, but with my latest version and after debuzzing i don't have problems anymore. |
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| 08:48.50 | nullix | still i don't use normal om version, i use a hackable, anyway there are different distros for freerunner, each have different behavior, each stable version of each version allow to to basic phone usage. |
| 08:56.46 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: but are you really sure that's the case? With the latest Qi it cuts off here at ~30mA and your log shows cut off at ~16mA, looks quite consistent and enough. With charger cut off and GSM inactive (idling waiting for call) average battery current is ~1-3mA, with GSM active ~70mA. |
| 08:58.34 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: if you think that youtube is cool, FR is not for you imho. |
| 09:00.39 | tarelerulz | PaulFertser: I meant from the home page it looked like openmoko might be ready for normal users . Last time I looked into it you could not even make a phone call muchless have apps alonge with it . |
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| 09:01.28 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: if by normal users you mean those who is ok with all youtube limitations, then no. It will never be ready for them. |
| 09:01.58 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I'm puzzled by all your data. I've seen PMU to not stop chrg despite CC reporting a few (2..5) mA constantly. So logical conclusion was modem eats the rest of current. When I switched off GSM, chrg stopped same second |
| 09:02.02 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: and iirc phonecalls were always possible with public FR version. |
| 09:02.44 | nullix | when you get your freerunner for the first time it is installed with a working phone software |
| 09:02.51 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: hm, you know there're 4 different USB charging modes. Probably i've seen charger cutting off fast charge mode. And your batlog.txt.odf probably shows that too. |
| 09:03.05 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: cut off current might be dependent on the mode currently active. |
| 09:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | cutoff happens in CV phase, and is triggered by Voltage and Current |
| 09:04.14 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: "a few (2..5) mA" plus or minus? |
| 09:04.45 | DocScrutinizer | it's the only state transition from charging to not charging, except emergency (overvolt, overtemp, overtime) |
| 09:05.26 | DocScrutinizer | a few mA charge that should trigger chrg-end-cutout |
| 09:05.41 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: was GPRS on? |
| 09:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | prolly yes. that's the point I guess |
| 09:06.22 | PaulFertser | Ok, anyway 30mA that i see looks reasonable enough. |
| 09:06.39 | tarelerulz | I have gotten it can do normal phone funtions . How would it compare to google's g1 ? |
| 09:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | not at all, tarelerulz |
| 09:07.05 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: google's phone is closed. You don't get schematics |
| 09:07.11 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: you don't get bootloader sources. |
| 09:07.28 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: you don't get sources for some important userspace software parts. |
| 09:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | tarelerulz: compare apples with dragons |
| 09:07.45 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: you have to unlock it with a special trick. |
| 09:08.15 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: and truly free software phone stack can't be used on it (hopefully yet). |
| 09:08.21 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: judge for yourself. |
| 09:08.46 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: imho G1 sucks |
| 09:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | tarelerulz: you can eat both (once you killed the dragon), but usually apples are poisoned ;-) |
| 09:08.56 | tarelerulz | What I mean can do you do the same kinds of things like user google maps to find places , youtube , play songs and movies , surf the web |
| 09:09.11 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: FR has no EDGE btw, only plain GPRS |
| 09:09.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | wooo! Qi booting. Guess I should Qify my 2nd FR so they match. |
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| 09:10.31 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: youtube probably requires some tweaking to automatically start youtube-dl+mplayer as youtube leaders are motherfuckers who don't want to do the right thing exposing embedded video in a sane way. |
| 09:10.48 | tarelerulz | Thanks all for telling me all this it is hard to tell from the vidoes out there and the site what it really can do . all the information I find seems to be old or not really telling what I want to know |
| 09:11.04 | DocScrutinizer | tarelerulz: how compares a mower to a ferrari? which one is better suited to drive to holiday at seaside? |
| 09:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | tarelerulz: seems it depends on your subjective rules to compare, no? |
| 09:11.36 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: if you drive on russian roads i'd bet on a mower |
| 09:13.04 | tarelerulz | I have been studing android and the g1 alot . I have some good idea what it can do so I was wondering what the openmoko can do . See how it is really open I was think about getting one . |
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| 09:15.56 | DocScrutinizer | tarelerulz: let me put it this way: FR doesn't need a desktop with iTunes to put it to work |
| 09:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | but you can't run any appstore as well |
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| 09:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | otoh there's mutch beharted opkg ;-) |
| 09:17.42 | tarelerulz | So how is the media players for it ? Can you play movies and music ? can you organize you movies into movies , music videos and tvshows ? |
| 09:17.54 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: mplayer |
| 09:17.58 | DocScrutinizer | tarelerulz: if you don't like to use linux ob desktop, you won't probably like Neo |
| 09:18.26 | nullix | at least you can put a 8Gb microSD with videos in it. |
| 09:18.29 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: and look at opkg.org for "Intone" screenshots. |
| 09:18.39 | PaulFertser | nullix: but most probably won't be able to play it :) |
| 09:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | tarelerulz: Neo is linux. Check linux to get an idea what you can do with Neo |
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| 09:20.04 | tarelerulz | The fact it has mplayer is great. You don't have to have all you stuff in mp4 . Mplayer is one of the best media players I have used. That opens the door for .avi , mp4 , ogg , mkv |
| 09:21.03 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: sure but playing videos is hard/slow because FR has very limited graphics hardware performance. Probably it will be somewhat changed soon when (some part of) glamo acceleration for media playback will be employed. |
| 09:22.40 | nullix | FR is the only phone that gets better each month even without hardware upgrade... |
| 09:23.43 | DocScrutinizer | tarelerulz: anyway, despite what paul says, there's a patched version of mplayer that can playback video if coded correctly (no rotate or scaling while playback). So now you got the right idea how to ask right question, which is e.g. "is there a working mplayer for om-linux?" |
| 09:23.50 | tarelerulz | So , Paulfertser I look like it will be getting beter soon. The the main reason I have not gotten g1 or any other android phone was the lack of real good media players . If they could get something like mplayer working on it good. |
| 09:24.06 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: how come? |
| 09:24.20 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: i thought mplayer can be used on G1 as well? |
| 09:24.28 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: what's the problem with it? |
| 09:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | nullix: easy enough ;-P |
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| 09:26.30 | tarelerulz | from all I have read there is ok player for g1 now . I am sure you could hack g1 and get some mplayer on it ,but that is not that cool of thing to me. The whole point of Linux phone is something you dont' need to hack . |
| 09:26.49 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: google thinks different :( |
| 09:27.18 | nullix | he whole point of Linux phone is something you -are able to hack without crack- |
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| 09:28.39 | PaulFertser | nullix: yeah, you're right again. |
| 09:28.45 | DocScrutinizer | "jailbreak? LOL! on myPhone I'm ROOT" ;-) |
| 09:28.47 | tarelerulz | don't get me wrong I like google ,but they are lacking few things . Media player being the bigest one for me. I would have thought they would had all the main functions worked out . Not waiting for dev to fill the gap months later |
| 09:29.17 | PaulFertser | We don't like google, go away |
| 09:29.20 | PaulFertser | ;) |
| 09:29.24 | nullix | ;-) |
| 09:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | bah, spit |
| 09:30.26 | nullix | tarelerulz: well android can run on FreeRunner if you really want that... |
| 09:31.12 | tarelerulz | How long do you all thing it will take before openmoko's phone are readly for the main stream public ? |
| 09:32.05 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: never |
| 09:32.12 | PaulFertser | imho |
| 09:33.13 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: mainstream public likes shit |
| 09:33.36 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: look at top music charts for example |
| 09:34.00 | dos1 | PaulFertser: ++ :D |
| 09:34.18 | nullix | tarelerulz: va voir sur #freerunner-android |
| 09:34.51 | dos1 | i'm happy with my Freerunner now. if it would be "user friendly" at begining, i would be bored with it :P |
| 09:35.33 | dos1 | i think that's nice there is some phone with different target than "main stream public" |
| 09:35.54 | PaulFertser | dos1: wish i was happy with my FR too :/ |
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| 09:37.11 | dos1 | well, now if something doesn't work, then it's probably my fault :P (opimd and others, except GPS :P) |
| 09:37.37 | tarelerulz | If I ever get one I would love something that would let me play more then just mp4 . MP4 is not that great of container at all . MKV can do so much more . When they get mplayer working great I am there |
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| 09:38.19 | PaulFertser | dos1: i want fast and comfortable phone application on debian. With support for incremental search in contacts, unlimited smses etc. |
| 09:38.32 | dos1 | i already have unlimited smses :P |
| 09:38.42 | skamster | hello there.. ehm, is the mailinglist stop working? i didn't send something, but the last mails from the mailinglist are from thuesday |
| 09:38.51 | dos1 | and incremental search is coming ;) |
| 09:39.10 | PaulFertser | dos1: also i want to have a bug fixed that improperly shows me E keyboard when i switch to another E workspace. |
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| 09:39.20 | tarelerulz | What is incrmental searchs mean ? like an example of it |
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| 09:40.05 | PaulFertser | tarelerulz: type C-r in your bash prompt and start typing some command you used earlier. |
| 09:41.00 | DocScrutinizer | fsck! :-/ I hate the inadverted close of chan on xchat accidentally hitting the "x" |
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| 09:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | [Do Jul 30 2009] [11:32:05] <PaulFertser> tarelerulz: never --- +1 !!! :-D |
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| 10:36.59 | tordo | hi! quick SHR question.. There used to be some line in /etc/frameworkd-phonegui.conf that specified which contry code it was using, but that line isn't there after reflashing.. My sim card reports the wrong code, and thus all my contacts are unresolved when recieving SMS or calls.. Any idea on how to fix that? |
| 10:39.18 | Ainulindale | tordo: it's in phonegui-utils.conf now |
| 10:39.28 | Ainulindale | or something like that, can't recall the exact name |
| 10:39.55 | tordo | thanks a bunch! |
| 10:40.00 | Ainulindale | You're welcome |
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| 10:47.41 | fredrin | tordo, hmm, my i got the same problem |
| 10:49.00 | tordo | fredrin: Edit the line in /etc/phonegui-utils.conf |
| 10:49.04 | tordo | works wonders |
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| 10:49.41 | fredrin | sweet, maybe i'll stop mixing up sms's now |
| 10:51.23 | fredrin | why is that seting not set automaticaliy? |
| 10:52.03 | tordo | fredrin: my sim card reports the wrong country code, so i don't blame anyone |
| 10:52.36 | fredrin | but the GSM network should report right or some other source |
| 10:53.32 | fredrin | or have a list and use gps to find out what country you're in |
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| 10:53.42 | fredrin | for ultimate solution |
| 10:53.51 | tordo | but then, what if you go roaming? |
| 10:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | the idea of CC from SIM is insane by design. |
| 10:54.12 | DocScrutinizer | tordo: exactly |
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| 10:54.42 | tordo | ooor what about letting user select country on first boot? |
| 10:55.27 | fredrin | there must be some way the phone knows where it's home contry is |
| 10:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | an automatism that works for 95% but introduces *loads* of moaning and confusion for the remaining 5% is absolutely counterproductive |
| 10:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | tordo: (user select) exactly |
| 10:58.02 | fredrin | DocScrutinizer, eh, no |
| 10:58.12 | fredrin | nothing is 100% |
| 10:58.58 | fredrin | gah, why is it so hard to get fokus in the Name or Number field when you make a new contact in shr-unstable |
| 11:00.00 | tordo | i wonder why i keep doing this.. when i finally get everything working, i opkg upgrade |
| 11:00.10 | tordo | i wonder what will be broken now \o/ |
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| 12:26.15 | jaj | hmm, does a GPRS connection survive a suspend / resume? |
| 12:28.44 | pieterc | jaj, in my experience it does |
| 12:29.13 | jaj | perhaps I'm just being unlucky then :) |
| 12:35.22 | PaulFertser | jaj: it certainly does |
| 12:35.38 | PaulFertser | jaj: in fact FR resumes on incoming message on irc. |
| 12:35.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | _that_ is cool. |
| 12:36.21 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: various "somebody's quit" wake it too :( |
| 12:36.29 | jaj | perhaps it's my provider who disconnects me after a certain time |
| 12:36.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | I look forward to the local telcos stop being ****s and give me a phone account which does gprs. |
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| 12:37.12 | jaj | the Connectivity dialog shows "connected", however the connection is dead. and it stays "connected" in the dialog no matter how often I hit disconnect |
| 12:37.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | PaulFertser: :( is it a specially patched IRC client thats used? |
| 12:38.12 | jaj | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm looking forward to a UMTS/HSDPA freerunner ;0 |
| 12:38.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | jaj: I hope my wait ends first ;) |
| 12:38.44 | SpeedEvil | Kamping_Kaiser: where are you? |
| 12:38.44 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: no |
| 12:38.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | SpeedEvil: AU |
| 12:39.00 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 12:39.41 | SpeedEvil | Kamping_Kaiser: I've heard it's not the best country internet wise. |
| 12:39.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | SpeedEvil: it is ... poor. (Obviously theres worse. much worse. but not in the west) |
| 12:40.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/not in/not many in/ |
| 12:40.07 | PaulFertser | BTW, guys, here same assholes in telcos round traffic _up_ to 100k every hour, so even irc is not that cheap. |
| 12:40.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | slaps apt |
| 12:40.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | PaulFertser: thats ... rude. |
| 12:41.01 | SpeedEvil | is somewhat glad he's in scotland. |
| 12:41.29 | SpeedEvil | (GPRS capped at a pound a day, and no payment at all if I don't use it |
| 12:41.35 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: we usually use more strong expressions to describe such behaviour ;) |
| 12:42.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 12:43.56 | jaj | oh I have another question, what would be the best way to make the raw GSM modem available to a connected computer |
| 12:44.25 | PaulFertser | jaj: i'd say socat |
| 12:44.30 | jaj | on the wiki they talk about pppd but I'm not sure how that should work, I'm not aware of any forwarding/proxy feature in ppd |
| 12:45.20 | PaulFertser | jaj: why do you want to forward the serial port? |
| 12:45.47 | PaulFertser | jaj: but i tell you, i used socat successfully to expose serial port via tcp socket. |
| 12:46.13 | jaj | PaulFertser: just to play around with it |
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| 13:02.38 | jaj | ok, I just found out that the matchbox terminal keyboard doesn't have an escape button |
| 13:02.52 | jaj | now how and I supposed to save and quit in vi... :) |
| 13:03.07 | PaulFertser | jaj: no esc? |
| 13:03.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes it does |
| 13:03.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | bottom right iirc |
| 13:03.12 | PaulFertser | jaj: i'm sure i used it before |
| 13:03.54 | jaj | PaulFertser: oh indeed, thanks, little small button bottom right labeled 'es' |
| 13:04.26 | PaulFertser | At first i thought that i don't need no espaniol keyboard too ;) |
| 13:05.28 | jaj | yeah :) |
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| 13:06.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm quite ignorant of uSD spec - is it expected that it writes 1/3rd the speed it reads at? |
| 13:06.40 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:06.42 | SpeedEvil | often |
| 13:06.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok, I wont worry. thanks :) |
| 13:06.54 | SpeedEvil | Flash in general has slower write than reads |
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| 13:14.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | is it possible to stop the keyboard making the keys bigger as you type them? Its driving me spare ;( |
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| 13:16.39 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: only by editing the theme (edje_decc, edit, build.sh...) |
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| 13:17.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | PaulFertser: hm... I'm almost at that point, but not quite. |
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| 13:22.53 | badcloud_ | hey all |
| 13:23.12 | badcloud_ | is there some place to keep tabs on shr unstable's current status? |
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| 13:24.16 | badcloud_ | so that I know whether or not it's "safe" to run opkg upgrade |
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| 13:30.43 | AntonTakk | so, i have read the wiki, looking for opinions on the current om2009 ui |
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| 14:11.29 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5341 10/developers/werner/fped/ (14 files): |
| 14:11.29 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added limit for loop iterations |
| 14:11.29 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added structures for marking active instances |
| 14:11.29 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added selection and the corresponding markup (on-going) |
| 14:11.29 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - lines were drawn with the wrong y0 coordinate |
| 14:11.31 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - reorganized gui_style and changed color scheme |
| 14:11.33 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - changed qfp.fpd to generate objects only once |
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| 14:17.10 | stongo | hello |
| 14:17.15 | badcloud_ | hey there |
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| 14:32.20 | Digital_Pioneer | Hello, world. |
| 14:32.40 | SpeedEvil | answers for the whole world, and says hello. |
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| 14:56.51 | stongo | anyone using shr-unstable? |
| 14:59.16 | Ainulindale | yep |
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| 15:05.04 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:12.19 | Digital_Pioneer | stongo: I use SHR-U. |
| 15:12.55 | Digital_Pioneer | So why has no-one built xkill for the FR yet?? :'( |
| 15:17.04 | lindi_ | Digital_Pioneer: debian built that ages ago :) |
| 15:17.18 | Digital_Pioneer | lindi_: Gimme a binary! :P |
| 15:17.31 | lindi_ | Digital_Pioneer: i thought you wanted to build it |
| 15:17.47 | Digital_Pioneer | I can't build stuff for FR. |
| 15:18.06 | lindi_ | Digital_Pioneer: ok, i don't really want to start sending binaries |
| 15:18.23 | Digital_Pioneer | *Sigh* OK. |
| 15:18.23 | lindi_ | unless there's a really good reason :) |
| 15:18.35 | lindi_ | you can get it from ftp.debian.org |
| 15:18.39 | Digital_Pioneer | That'll work |
| 15:22.53 | stongo | I can't get wifi to work on shr-unstable to save my life |
| 15:23.08 | stongo | i'm using the july 21 image |
| 15:23.15 | Digital_Pioneer | stongo: It's difficult. First things first, make sure wifi is on in shr-settings. :) |
| 15:23.22 | stongo | yes, I did that |
| 15:23.26 | stongo | I |
| 15:23.31 | stongo | I'm using mokoconnect |
| 15:23.35 | stongo | it just times out |
| 15:23.48 | stongo | I tried an older version (july 10) with mofi and it didn't work either |
| 15:24.14 | stongo | not sure if I need to put a wpa_supplicant.conf file in /etc/wpa_supplicant or not |
| 15:24.18 | stongo | theren's not one there now |
| 15:24.31 | lindi_ | stongo: what kernel? |
| 15:24.42 | stongo | the latest unstable kernel |
| 15:24.59 | lindi_ | stongo: sorry that does not tell me much |
| 15:25.04 | stongo | one sec |
| 15:25.18 | lindi_ | stongo: git hash or link to source would |
| 15:25.38 | stongo | uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119823+d1c828aa7073b356207b967e394defb26ab4da82-r3.5-om-gta02.bin |
| 15:26.02 | stongo | I just saw there's a new kernel that came out on the 28th.. haven't tried that yet. |
| 15:26.16 | lindi_ | stongo: ok, you need http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2277/wifi_ifupdown.patch |
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| 15:27.29 | stongo | lindi: thanks, i appreciate it!!! |
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| 15:40.48 | Digital_Pioneer | I've noticed the FR's DHCP client sucks. It almost never works. |
| 15:42.47 | stongo | lindi: do you know where the ar6000 drivers are mentioned in that wifi_updown.patch? i don't have access to my desktop and need to just apply the patch manually through FR terminal |
| 15:43.26 | stongo | "find" isn't finding the mentioned file to patch |
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| 15:47.53 | jaj | I'm really wondering why the freerunner is so slow. I mean opening a vte based terminal would probably be 10 times faster on a 133 MHz Pentium I. Is it really a performance problem? |
| 15:48.28 | jaj | or is it an optimisation limit? perhaps gtk does a lot of floating point or something |
| 15:48.40 | Digital_Pioneer | jaj: Pretty much everything on the FR is in Python these days. That acrues overhead. |
| 15:48.57 | Digital_Pioneer | IDK how much overhead it accounts for, but it'll definitely make some. |
| 15:48.58 | jaj | yeah |
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| 15:51.33 | jaj | perhaps I can write a user interface in a mixture of ruby and java :) |
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| 15:52.40 | Digital_Pioneer | I don't see why you couldn't, though I don't think ruby or java are in any distros by default... Maybe Java. |
| 15:53.46 | jaj | no I was being ironical |
| 15:54.13 | jaj | by chosing the only 2 languages I could think of that would be even slower than python :) |
| 15:54.32 | Digital_Pioneer | Hahahahah |
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| 15:55.59 | Digital_Pioneer | IDK how slow Python is, really, but at least it can be compiled to a bytecode. |
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| 16:09.09 | Digital_Pioneer | So... I can't get Mokonnect to show any wireless networks at all. If I SSH in and iwlist eth0 scan, I see 2. |
| 16:09.31 | Digital_Pioneer | I assume any that are found should show up in the "Scan Complete" window in Mokonnect... |
| 16:16.25 | jaj | personally I would write a dialer in ncurses, it would be beautiful, it would be very easy to write in C |
| 16:18.01 | jaj | but of course I will not criticize the great work that has been done, especially since I didn't contribute any code |
| 16:19.44 | jaj | a minimalistic tiling window manager would be great, especially for dividing the screen when the keyboard pops up and so on |
| 16:20.09 | jaj | a clean xterm with ncurses applications, it would be fantastic |
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| 16:24.17 | SpeedEvil | someone did that |
| 16:24.48 | SpeedEvil | I forget his nick, and his name, but he has a horse. |
| 16:25.01 | SpeedEvil | Ah. Pavel Machek (sp?) |
| 16:25.22 | jaj | he has a horse? :) |
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| 16:26.26 | SpeedEvil | http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/ |
| 16:29.21 | Weiss | horse as in motorbike? :o |
| 16:29.45 | SpeedEvil | No. |
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| 18:06.48 | Sleep_Walker | hi |
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| 18:17.24 | edje | hi all, is there someone who know where to get the kernel source of a certain kernel ( f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r3-om-gta02.bin ) ? |
| 18:18.04 | edje | [ i would like to change some kernel parameters] |
| 18:18.12 | TAsn | edje, go to the kernel's git repo |
| 18:18.26 | TAsn | and get this commit? :) |
| 18:19.00 | edje | so it seems. any idea on how to get this commit ? |
| 18:22.06 | lindi_ | edje: are you familiar with git? |
| 18:23.06 | edje | no, not really |
| 18:23.36 | lindi_ | edje: i'm afraid you need to learn it |
| 18:24.11 | TAsn | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git <-- kernel's git repo |
| 18:24.13 | TAsn | have fun. |
| 18:24.47 | edje | thanks ! |
| 18:27.57 | edje | hmm. i am not sure which part of the filename i need. if you look at http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner, what would the url bee for this particular kernel? |
| 18:28.25 | edje | i tried f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413 but that doesn;t work |
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| 18:47.24 | Chocky | bitches |
| 18:48.00 | Chocky | anyway, phone back from buzzfix repair, but volume of person of FR end is very low, even after adjusting mic volumes. hm. |
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| 19:34.22 | jaj | hmm, how do you compile stuff on the freerunner in SHR? |
| 19:34.47 | jaj | do you specify CC=/usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc AS=/usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as and all the other stuff by hand? |
| 19:34.51 | jaj | or is there some magic? |
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| 19:37.16 | max_posedon | jaj, depend on what you trying to compile |
| 19:37.22 | max_posedon | usually no any CC required |
| 19:37.38 | max_posedon | and AS and similar really never required |
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| 19:38.09 | jaj | configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH |
| 19:40.07 | max_posedon | may be you don't installed some important packages |
| 19:40.16 | max_posedon | I suggest start from simole hello.c |
| 19:40.23 | max_posedon | and compile it with gcc |
| 19:41.09 | jaj | max_posedon: gcc probably works fine, the configure script just doesn't find it because it has a strange name |
| 19:42.00 | Elleo | jaj: you need gcc-symlinks |
| 19:42.02 | max_posedon | install gcc-symlinks |
| 19:42.13 | max_posedon | but I really suggest hello.c with printf |
| 19:42.18 | Elleo | nd binutils-symlinks |
| 19:42.20 | Elleo | and* |
| 19:42.39 | jaj | oh great -symlinks, that's what I was looking for, thanks |
| 19:42.43 | max_posedon | and libc-dev may be, many stuff to test |
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| 19:45.04 | jaj | max_posedon: yeah but I'll find that out very soon from the error messages :) |
| 19:45.59 | max_posedon | configure still will continue same exactly same error message with many errors |
| 19:46.58 | jaj | max_posedon: compiling hello world works |
| 19:47.22 | max_posedon | nice), ok |
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| 19:49.09 | jaj | I come from an OS that comes with a ready to use toolchain by default and doesn't seperate packages into main and -dev so I take the ability to build stuff for granted, I'm not used to setting up this kind of stuff :) |
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| 19:50.01 | Chocky | Yes, but try fitting a full blown Fedora on FR. |
| 19:50.03 | Elleo | well you might find hackable:1 a more accessible development environment if you're wanting to do on-device development |
| 19:50.15 | Chocky | anyway, RPM blows goats |
| 19:50.25 | Elleo | which is basically debian with most common dev stuff already installed |
| 19:50.42 | max_posedon | jaj, I suggest just cross compile in this case) |
| 19:50.42 | PaulFertser | jaj: then you want to hack on Gentoo for FR. |
| 19:50.46 | jaj | Elleo: I'll take a look at it |
| 19:50.49 | max_posedon | or many be even swith to Gentoo) |
| 19:50.51 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: knows how to do that ;) |
| 19:51.03 | Chocky | h:1 wasn't being developed much a few months ago. has it been picked up again? |
| 19:51.22 | jaj | PaulFertser: no, gentoo is waste in resources |
| 19:51.22 | Elleo | dunno, I haven't really followed it much |
| 19:51.46 | PaulFertser | jaj: it looked like your OS description. |
| 19:51.47 | max_posedon | jaj, this is why I say, `crosscompile` |
| 19:52.05 | max_posedon | compilation on Freerunner is a PITA anyway |
| 19:52.13 | Chocky | yea olde newbie-wants-to-native-compile argument |
| 19:52.34 | jaj | max_posedon: yeah but I just wanted to compile that tiny little program which doesn't have any dependencies on the FR :) |
| 19:52.43 | jaj | PaulFertser: I'm an openbsd user actually |
| 19:52.54 | Chocky | All programs have dependencies, unless you're writing pure assembler |
| 19:53.06 | Chocky | and not making system calls |
| 19:53.24 | PaulFertser | jaj: :D |
| 19:53.29 | jaj | Chocky: you know what I meant ;) |
| 19:53.47 | max_posedon | Chocky, simple calc without input and/or output?) |
| 19:54.14 | Chocky | well, not really. The sitution is probably a lot more complication than you think, it's just that you don't usually have to think about these things |
| 19:54.20 | Chocky | max_posedon: what about it? |
| 19:54.33 | jaj | socat should "just build" with a working toolchain an glibc-dev |
| 19:54.40 | max_posedon | just example of program on C, which doesn't have deps |
| 19:55.01 | Chocky | max_posedon: I think you should think harder about that. |
| 19:55.04 | max_posedon | int main() { int a = 10; a *= 3; return a; } |
| 19:55.20 | jaj | max_posedon: needs libc |
| 19:55.42 | max_posedon | jaj, nope |
| 19:55.57 | max_posedon | only crt.o which comes from gcc |
| 19:56.39 | Chocky | that's not a "calculator", that's a program that returns the value 30. |
| 19:56.48 | Chocky | which is pretty pointless when I could do "return 30" in bash |
| 19:56.52 | Chocky | s/bash/sh/ |
| 19:56.56 | jaj | max_posedon: that's a purely functional program :) |
| 19:57.23 | max_posedon | Chocky, you can add not so easy actions |
| 19:57.52 | Chocky | you can't do anything meaningful without libc |
| 19:58.09 | Chocky | or that wouldn't be highly contrived and easier in shell |
| 19:58.29 | jaj | Chocky: you can reimplement libc in your program |
| 19:58.47 | Chocky | so yes, like I said, there are such examples, but almost all of them are highly contrived, and almost entirely irrelevant to the discussion |
| 19:59.00 | Chocky | to argue like that ad nasuem is not very clever |
| 19:59.14 | jaj | Chocky: you actually started the discussion |
| 19:59.23 | Chocky | no, I didn't |
| 19:59.34 | Chocky | but that's a pretty childish response |
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| 20:02.05 | Chocky | but backing up, cross compiling is much better - at least in theory. It's a shame that OE can make it so tedious sometimes. |
| 20:02.46 | Chocky | any every freaking program has its own build system, which may or may not need patching so it understands cross compiling properly. |
| 20:03.45 | PaulFertser | Chocky: can you cross-compile emacs? OE folks failed to do that :( |
| 20:04.03 | PaulFertser | Chocky: automagician is needed to make it possible... |
| 20:04.13 | Chocky | paulproteus: I don't know. I tried many years ago, but I don't recall the problems except that it was very complicated |
| 20:04.24 | Chocky | gah s/pp/pf/ |
| 20:04.50 | jaj | socat built and installed :) |
| 20:04.52 | Chocky | I did the ARM port of OpenOffice 1.1 years ago. That most certainly didn't cross compile. But those are both notable exceptions. |
| 20:05.18 | PaulFertser | Chocky: the problem is bootstrapping. You need to build native bootstrap emacs first, then with that you need to compile some .el's and then you need to build native "real" emacs, recompile all .el's again and then build cross-executable finally. |
| 20:05.44 | Chocky | PaulFertser: right, I'm sure. Not entirely unusual, but a PITA. |
| 20:05.59 | Chocky | Like building a native GCC |
| 20:06.57 | PaulFertser | Chocky: i don't have an idea how to do that with autofoo :( Crosscompiling gcc is easier as it has quite limited set of C files that must be compiled on host, so they just use some prefix for native ones and specify everything explicitely. |
| 20:07.02 | Chocky | Probably about 10% of programs require a native equivalent first, but you can normally rely on the native -dev packages for that. |
| 20:08.16 | Chocky | PaulFertser: I would expect to run autoconf first natively, save the binary, then run autconf with cross options. But it might be more complex for eamcs. |
| 20:08.43 | PaulFertser | Chocky: hm, haven't thought of that yet. |
| 20:08.57 | PaulFertser | Chocky: probably if i have enough time and motivation one day... |
| 20:09.06 | max_posedon | Chocky, wrong way |
| 20:09.18 | Chocky | I think I'd prefer to use nano on the whole. Went off emacs a while ago. |
| 20:09.18 | max_posedon | OE and Gentoo use different way |
| 20:09.24 | PaulFertser | Chocky: to me it looks like emacs is one of the most promising environments for the FR so i need to have it easily accessible for everybody. |
| 20:09.34 | max_posedon | thay don't run configure nativly |
| 20:09.38 | PaulFertser | Chocky: nano! No fucking way ever! |
| 20:09.53 | max_posedon | but already provide many checks already |
| 20:10.03 | Chocky | max_posedon: I think you're misunderstanding some of the details. |
| 20:10.05 | max_posedon | so packages can respect them |
| 20:10.47 | Chocky | "native configure" in my context means the host system. So you can e.g. build x86 binaries first. |
| 20:10.48 | max_posedon | I - understanding, I maintaining Gentoo Openmoko overlay, and know how to cross compile most apps) |
| 20:11.03 | PaulFertser | max_posedon++ |
| 20:11.04 | Chocky | bully for you. |
| 20:11.35 | max_posedon | yes, I know that sometimes it required. but `autoconf natively` wrong way to go. |
| 20:11.42 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: but that's cheating too. It's supposed that proper cross-compile can be done with pure autotools (given proper configuration). |
| 20:11.47 | max_posedon | look at OE, and their site-config |
| 20:11.49 | Chocky | I was an early OE developer, and former boss was a project lead for it. About the same time, I started a cross system for another ARM OS. |
| 20:11.59 | Chocky | max_posedon: as I say, you are completely misunderstanding. |
| 20:12.11 | max_posedon | may be, I bet I'll re-read your messages) |
| 20:12.37 | Chocky | is well aware of what OE does. It's also exactly what my system does. |
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| 20:16.07 | Chocky | waits forever for opkg upgrade. |
| 20:16.31 | Chocky | or more to the point, opkg upgrade on individual packages, so opkg everything doesn't bomb out |
| 20:16.50 | Chocky | and why does the SHR build have -dev packages in it? |
| 20:24.08 | Chocky | good grief, 26 openmoko Facebook pages |
| 20:24.41 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5342 10/developers/werner/fped/ (12 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 20:24.41 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added commit/revert logic for instantiation |
| 20:24.41 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - obj.c: renamed "res" to more specific "ok" |
| 20:24.41 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - display parameters of selected object |
| 20:24.41 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - converted frame list from GtkTreeView to GtkScrolledWindow with vbox |
| 20:24.44 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - corrected logic of setting an instance active |
| 20:24.46 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - adjusted colors for better contrast |
| 20:25.48 | max_posedon | Chocky, I suggest add swap file during opkg update |
| 20:25.57 | max_posedon | and don't run update per/package |
| 20:26.03 | Chocky | I just shut everything down first |
| 20:26.05 | max_posedon | it works much faster. |
| 20:26.15 | Chocky | I know, I don't mind waiting though. just sayin' |
| 20:32.23 | Chocky | tired of hearing about Obama+Gates |
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| 21:11.50 | moritz | hi |
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| 21:18.12 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5343 10/developers/werner/fped/ (gui.c gui_canvas.c gui_canvas.h obj.c obj.h): |
| 21:18.12 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - disentangled active path vs. active frame logic |
| 21:18.12 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - frame selection now marks the selection in the frame list |
| 21:18.12 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - reordered gui.c to avoid forward reference |
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| 21:22.15 | moritz | I am following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing in order to update my GSM firmware. |
| 21:22.49 | moritz | Although I have a GTA02 device and thus should be able to use the easy microSD method, i cannot get it to work. |
| 21:23.44 | PaulFertser | moritz: why can't you get uSD card to work? |
| 21:23.46 | moritz | I have succesfully written the GSM flashing image onto my card (not on a partition, but on the whole device) but i cannot boot from the card. |
| 21:24.12 | PaulFertser | moritz: what card is that? SDHC? Are you trying NOR u-boot? |
| 21:24.19 | moritz | when i chose "microSD" in the NOR boot menu, i see a couple of error messages and get dropped back to the boot menu in a second. |
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| 21:24.28 | moritz | it's not SDHC (it's 512 MB) |
| 21:24.41 | PaulFertser | moritz: hm, strange. |
| 21:24.51 | PaulFertser | moritz: anyway i always preferred the manual method ;) |
| 21:25.22 | moritz | "unable to use mmc:1 for fatload" |
| 21:25.25 | moritz | or similar |
| 21:25.34 | moritz | that's one of the error messages before I get dropped back to the menu |
| 21:26.02 | moritz | "wrong image format for bootm command" |
| 21:26.20 | moritz | "ERROR: can't get kernel image" |
| 21:26.43 | moritz | it's U-Boot version 1.3.2-moko12 |
| 21:26.44 | PaulFertser | moritz: can you give the exact command you used to transfer image on card? |
| 21:26.59 | moritz | dd if=flash-moko11-2.image of=/dev/sdb |
| 21:27.12 | PaulFertser | moritz: heh, nothing wrong |
| 21:27.23 | moritz | it was not mounted at that time and i made sure all buffers are flushed (sync) |
| 21:27.26 | moritz | sigh. |
| 21:28.17 | moritz | weird, since according to the wiki that method should work out of the box.. |
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| 21:30.06 | jaj | moritz: I just transferred it via scp to the raw device on the phone and it worked fine :) |
| 21:30.37 | moritz | that's great to hear. |
| 21:30.44 | PaulFertser | moritz: manual method is good too |
| 21:31.23 | moritz | actually the manual method does not attract me. |
| 21:32.32 | moritz | damn. |
| 21:33.01 | moritz | tomorrow i am on my way through half of germany to attend at my brothers wedding and i would LOVE to have a working gps with me. |
| 21:34.11 | PaulFertser | moritz: GPS? |
| 21:34.11 | moritz | (i know that gps and gsm is not directly related -- it's just that i wanted to install OM 2009 and the howto says i should update gsm) |
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| 21:34.20 | PaulFertser | moritz: yes, please update gsm. |
| 21:34.57 | moritz | trying! |
| 21:35.42 | PaulFertser | moritz: are you really really sure you boot to NOR u-boot? The image was tested on many devices. And NOR is the same on every of them, and it doesn't depend on any "environment" or whatever. |
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| 21:36.05 | moritz | if you mean this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Log_into_U-Boot_in_the_NOR_Flash |
| 21:36.07 | moritz | then: yes |
| 21:37.02 | PaulFertser | moritz: you should see "NOR" somewhere when you boot to it. |
| 21:37.26 | moritz | It says: "*** BOOT MENU (NOR) *** |
| 21:37.41 | PaulFertser | moritz: ok. I guess you don't have sim inserted, do you? |
| 21:37.46 | moritz | i don't |
| 21:37.55 | moritz | http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg29626.html |
| 21:38.02 | moritz | it seems it's this error message i see |
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| 21:38.20 | PaulFertser | moritz: insert it, as sometimes uSD can't be read due to mechanical issues. |
| 21:38.25 | moritz | ah |
| 21:38.39 | PaulFertser | moritz: sim never harmed flashing for me, it's more of a precaution than actual measure. |
| 21:38.56 | PaulFertser | moritz: and _i_ had problems with reading uSD without sim (or mechanical equivalent) for sure. |
| 21:39.16 | PaulFertser | moritz: when i don't want my sim to be seen i just turn it 180 degrees. |
| 21:40.42 | moritz | no luck |
| 21:41.24 | PaulFertser | moritz: can you mount that card on your laptop? |
| 21:41.31 | moritz | easy. |
| 21:41.58 | moritz | when i insert it on my desktop it gets automounted and i see two partitions |
| 21:42.02 | moritz | just as it should be |
| 21:42.16 | PaulFertser | moritz: i assume the first is fat and the second ext2... |
| 21:42.26 | PaulFertser | moritz: well... Either try another card or go the manual method. |
| 21:42.57 | moritz | it's already the second card i am trying |
| 21:42.59 | moritz | damn |
| 21:43.21 | moritz | what is this? i just wanted a phone! |
| 21:43.23 | moritz | jk ;-) |
| 21:43.29 | PaulFertser | moritz: i really like the manual method. |
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| 21:45.21 | UndrWater | how does one unpack an .ipk manually? |
| 21:46.02 | mjr | since they're a deb derivative, I'd imagine with ar |
| 21:48.03 | UndrWater | thanks...i'll try that |
| 21:48.08 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: it works |
| 21:48.31 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: any switches or options? |
| 21:48.33 | jaj | moritz: very wrong choice if you "just wanted a phone" ;) |
| 21:48.37 | UndrWater | or a simple ar works? |
| 21:48.50 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: ar x aoeu.ipk |
| 21:48.59 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: thanks |
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| 21:51.38 | UndrWater | that worked a treat...thanks so much |
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| 21:52.00 | muxe | Hi there. I just installed SHR on my freerunner and now I'm having trouble turning on wifi. The switch in the settings app just won't lock to "on". Anybody have the same problem or even a solution to my problem? ;) |
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| 21:53.16 | UndrWater | there's a script in the mailing lists that describes how to restart the device so you have access to it again... |
| 21:54.19 | PaulFertser | muxe: i'd recommend to not touch the switch at all and use 'fsoraw -r WiFi -- wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -Dwext -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf' for all your needs. |
| 21:54.41 | muxe | thx. I'll try that |
| 21:55.46 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: will that bring the device back up if it gets lost after suspend? |
| 21:57.05 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: wpa_supplicant will re-establish connection |
| 21:57.36 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: during suspend wifi is off, but after you resume it gets powered again. |
| 21:58.06 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: sometimes...other times the device disappears from ifconfig etc... |
| 21:58.17 | UndrWater | there is no more eth0 |
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| 21:58.48 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: even if WiFi resource is constantly requested by something? |
| 21:59.43 | UndrWater | PaulFertser: if i suspend while eth0 is up and connected, sometimes after resume eth0 is gone |
| 21:59.47 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: and don't do ifconfig up/down, it exposes bugs in the driver. |
| 22:00.01 | UndrWater | ifup ifdown? |
| 22:00.21 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: if _only_ wpa_supplicant is used everything's ok. |
| 22:00.46 | UndrWater | so my script should have what you just posted...how about to shut down? |
| 22:01.12 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: kill wpa_supplicant |
| 22:01.25 | UndrWater | good...thanks |
| 22:01.27 | UndrWater | again |
| 22:01.45 | UndrWater | and i should be good after resumes with this? |
| 22:02.09 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: i hope so but i don't promise anytihng |
| 22:02.16 | UndrWater | :) |
| 22:02.27 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: please come back and report your experience |
| 22:02.29 | muxe | PaulFertser: I just get a lot of "ioctl[SIOCSIWAP]: No such device" messages |
| 22:02.32 | UndrWater | and iwconfig? |
| 22:02.42 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: no, don't use it. |
| 22:02.50 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: let wpa_supplicant do everything needed. |
| 22:03.16 | PaulFertser | muxe: take a look at your dmesg. Probably your ar6000 driver is already crashed. |
| 22:03.18 | UndrWater | how to connect to specific AP? wpa_supplicant.conf? |
| 22:03.28 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: yes |
| 22:03.52 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: it can have as many as you want APs specified, wpa_supplicant will choose the one available right now. |
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| 22:04.39 | UndrWater | are there sample configs in there? |
| 22:05.11 | PaulFertser | Hm, for WEP only three lines are needed, for open only two. |
| 22:06.47 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: http://paste.debian.net/43061/ |
| 22:07.58 | PaulFertser | (it's obviously not my home wifi password, i'm not dumb enough to use WEP, it's some AP near my friend's flat that i aircracked) |
| 22:08.19 | UndrWater | ;) |
| 22:08.24 | UndrWater | how about static IP? |
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| 22:08.53 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: just ifconfig eth0 <ip> should work and shouldn't harm. |
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| 22:09.50 | UndrWater | cool |
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| 22:13.37 | UndrWater | muxe: what i was talking about was: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage \ |
| 22:13.38 | UndrWater | Â Â Â Â org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy \ |
| 22:13.38 | UndrWater | Â Â Â Â WiFi enabled |
| 22:13.52 | UndrWater | oops...should have pastebinned that |
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| 22:13.54 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: fsoraw is so much fancier |
| 22:14.07 | PaulFertser | UndrWater: as it will release the resource once wpa_supplicant is killed |
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| 22:14.48 | UndrWater | the above will return eth0 if it's gone tho...still..haven't had the experience with fsoraw yet |
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| 22:23.45 | moritz | weird |
| 22:24.01 | moritz | i just flashed OM 2008 to my freerunner and it doesn't come up. |
| 22:24.25 | moritz | right after powering it up i see the following error messages on the screen: |
| 22:24.38 | moritz | "Unknown boot options 'g_ether.hust_addr=...": ignoring |
| 22:24.42 | moritz | [...] |
| 22:24.54 | tordo | those ones are harmless |
| 22:25.10 | moritz | s3c2410_udc: debugfs dir creation failed -19 |
| 22:25.14 | tordo | but did you flash the kernel to an appropriate version? |
| 22:25.22 | moritz | latest, I think |
| 22:25.29 | moritz | http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.12/ <- those |
| 22:25.35 | moritz | then it says: |
| 22:25.46 | moritz | power_supply bat: driver failed to report 'status' property |
| 22:25.54 | moritz | and then it does nothing |
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| 22:26.42 | moritz | hmm. |
| 22:26.59 | PaulFertser | moritz: om2008 is not something appropriate |
| 22:27.02 | moritz | booting into NOR and chosing "Boot" triggers kernel loading |
| 22:27.09 | PaulFertser | moritz: it's mad old |
| 22:27.15 | PaulFertser | moritz: the messages you see are normal |
| 22:27.24 | PaulFertser | moritz: just kernel is booting silently not to slow down the boot. |
| 22:27.34 | PaulFertser | moritz: probably you should wait more (~4min) |
| 22:27.42 | moritz | hm. |
| 22:27.53 | moritz | Chosing "boot" in NOR made it come up immediately |
| 22:28.08 | PaulFertser | moritz: too many debug output slows down booting |
| 22:28.17 | PaulFertser | moritz: NOR u-boot doesn't limit debug output. |
| 22:28.19 | PaulFertser | moritz: Qi does. |
| 22:28.42 | moritz | at least i am glad that i see _something_ now. |
| 22:28.46 | moritz | (i.e. a GUI) |
| 22:29.31 | PaulFertser | moritz: btw, if you boot for some specific task (like access uSD or something), NOR is ok. If you boot to use it as a phone, NOR u-boot is not ok, too many unfixed bugs. |
| 22:31.17 | PaulFertser | moritz: and i recommend using Qi as a bootloader (after reading the wikipage!) and not to use OM2008 as it's an old deprecated dead-end. |
| 22:31.38 | moritz | what would you recommend for my purpose? |
| 22:31.45 | max_posedon | dead-end? usually you names it dead-born) |
| 22:31.52 | max_posedon | moritz, shr-unstable |
| 22:31.56 | tordo | what is your purpose? |
| 22:32.01 | moritz | the wedding :-) |
| 22:32.06 | moritz | well: primarily GPS. |
| 22:32.13 | tordo | i'll answer shr-unstable regardless of your purpose though |
| 22:32.15 | PaulFertser | moritz: H! |
| 22:32.16 | moritz | secondly phone. |
| 22:32.20 | PaulFertser | moritz: H1 :D |
| 22:32.26 | moritz | Hackable:1? |
| 22:32.42 | PaulFertser | moritz: yes, TangoGPS is written by one of active H:1 devs. |
| 22:33.01 | PaulFertser | moritz: and it's prepared to boot from uSD. |
| 22:33.15 | PaulFertser | has never tried H:1 |
| 22:33.22 | moritz | hey! |
| 22:33.27 | PaulFertser | Hehe |
| 22:33.38 | moritz | I just tried again to boot the microsd card |
| 22:33.42 | moritz | (i _think_) |
| 22:33.49 | moritz | and suddenly it is booting something |
| 22:34.03 | moritz | would it be possible that booting OM2008 prior to that would have anything to do with that? |
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| 22:34.31 | moritz | yeah, i read something about FLUID |
| 22:34.38 | moritz | seems it is trying to flash gsm |
| 22:34.42 | moritz | _weird_ |
| 22:35.17 | PaulFertser | moritz: NOR u-boot should be completely independent of everything... |
| 22:35.56 | moritz | is this correct? it now says: |
| 22:36.08 | moritz | "btusb_sennd_frame: hc10 urb ... <numbers> submission failed" |
| 22:36.26 | moritz | and before that: |
| 22:36.37 | moritz | Bootload: (reset target) ... failed to resubmit (19) |
| 22:36.44 | moritz | s/Bootload/Bootloader/ |
| 22:37.09 | moritz | and it all is black font on blue background |
| 22:37.38 | moritz | there's no status display or anything (as i would expect it during flashing) |
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| 22:37.58 | moritz | ah |
| 22:38.04 | moritz | it continues |
| 22:38.23 | moritz | sorry for abusing this channel as my personal twitter feed |
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| 22:40.19 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: http://pvtrace.com/litephone/gsm_register.sh |
| 22:40.22 | Undrwater | oops |
| 22:40.43 | Undrwater | http://pastebin.com/d1f0c9cda |
| 22:41.57 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: dmesg? |
| 22:42.16 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: lsmod |grep ar6000 |
| 22:42.17 | Undrwater | hang on...phone hung... |
| 22:42.22 | Undrwater | have to restart |
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| 22:44.47 | PaulFertser | Wow, Andrew Morton replied to my proposed pcf50633-adc fix :D |
| 22:45.11 | PaulFertser | Unfortunately his reply means i need to dig the code of power_supply subsystem :( |
| 22:45.16 | PaulFertser | And i'm too sleepy atm. |
| 22:45.36 | moritz | You don't have permission to access /shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin on this server. |
| 22:45.37 | moritz | hrm |
| 22:45.40 | Undrwater | ok...fresh reboot...fsoraw oneliner first? |
| 22:46.02 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: yes |
| 22:46.41 | moritz | tordo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#Install links to a kernel which yields an http error message. |
| 22:46.50 | moritz | tordo: it's not obvious to me what uImage i need instead |
| 22:47.16 | tordo | moritz: i'd say screw OM2008 and go for shr |
| 22:47.26 | tordo | phone and GPS works like a charm |
| 22:47.31 | moritz | tordo: that's what i am trying |
| 22:47.35 | tordo | uh |
| 22:47.36 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: should i add an & at the end of that...it's not releasing |
| 22:47.38 | tordo | i better go to bed :D |
| 22:47.47 | tordo | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ |
| 22:47.58 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: yes |
| 22:48.03 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: or C-z it |
| 22:48.07 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: and bg |
| 22:48.17 | moritz | tordo: which one shall i pick? i see several files with "uImage" in their name |
| 22:48.27 | tordo | moritz: newest one |
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| 22:49.20 | tordo | and as long as it boots the first boot ok it's no problem, it will reflash on first boot anyway (right?) |
| 22:49.45 | PaulFertser | tordo: i doubt that |
| 22:50.04 | PaulFertser | tordo: though shr devs recommend to reboot at least once for everything to work. |
| 22:50.21 | moritz | (i picked uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119826+dcd90798cdab0ab1e7c1fb56af8841bb225b5fdc-r3.5-om-gta02.bin) |
| 22:50.22 | tordo | i had the feeling it does that |
| 22:50.24 | Undrwater | PaulFertser: ok...it connected with an IPv6 address...but i can't ping google |
| 22:50.32 | tordo | but maybe it's only on opkg upgrading the kernel |
| 22:50.58 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: ping your gateway first ;) |
| 22:51.18 | Undrwater | no gateway ping... |
| 22:52.01 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: btw, some APs are incompatible and you need to issue "wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf" |
| 22:52.30 | PaulFertser | (eats battery like hell but the only known workaround that allows to work with some APs) |
| 22:52.51 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: does iwconfig eth0 show associated status? |
| 22:53.00 | Undrwater | yes |
| 22:53.24 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: so you most probably have either "maxperf" or routing/ip issue. |
| 22:53.39 | Undrwater | ifup works fine, tho |
| 22:53.51 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: hm, how do you get the ip now? |
| 22:53.58 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: wpa_supplicant doesn't do that for you. |
| 22:54.02 | Undrwater | oh |
| 22:54.11 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: you need to start dhclient (or whatever you use) manually. |
| 22:54.18 | Undrwater | ahhh...ok |
| 22:54.26 | PaulFertser | Surprise |
| 22:54.34 | Undrwater | :D |
| 22:54.39 | Undrwater | good now |
| 22:55.07 | Undrwater | what makes this better than iwconfig or ifup? |
| 22:55.45 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: hiding some wlan driver bugs that lead to crash |
| 22:55.54 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: automatic network selection |
| 22:56.14 | PaulFertser | Undrwater: unified access to both open and WPA networks |
| 22:56.18 | Undrwater | is there a way to do preferred_ap or something? |
| 22:56.27 | PaulFertser | Sorry, no idea. |
| 22:56.34 | Undrwater | or is it first come first served? |
| 22:57.10 | PaulFertser | has really got to sleep now. Away fo' real. Good luck folks. |
| 22:57.15 | Undrwater | does "any" work as a catchall? |
| 22:57.24 | Undrwater | night PaulFertser |
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