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| 08:40.21 | *** topic/#openmoko is Newsflash: Openmoko puts further phone models on ice, support for present models continues with limited resources | Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join#openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org/ | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 |
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| 08:54.51 | Darkas | #join #openmoko-cdevel |
| 08:55.02 | Darkas | sorry ;) |
| 08:55.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 09:23.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | is the latest recommended/released uboot the one with Om2008.12 |
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| 09:29.33 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: i'm not sure uboot is recommended ;) |
| 09:29.47 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: Qi ftw ;) |
| 09:30.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | PaulFertser: you qi hipster you. some of us need to be able to dual boot :) |
| 09:30.59 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: i'm able to dual boot. |
| 09:31.05 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: did it yesterday |
| 09:31.15 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: needed to boot my NAND to fix uSD. |
| 09:31.17 | Kagee | Kamping_Kaiser: you can still boot uboot fra ... NAND |
| 09:31.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | PaulFertser: i thought Qi couldnt do that |
| 09:31.42 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: it can. Just press AUX at exactly the right time and it'll skip the boot possibility. |
| 09:31.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | interesting |
| 09:32.00 | PaulFertser | Kagee: booting from NOR u-boot is strongly discouraged. |
| 09:32.12 | PaulFertser | Kagee: (i mean booting to use the device as a phone) |
| 09:32.30 | Kagee | that i didn't know |
| 09:33.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | neither |
| 09:33.12 | PaulFertser | Kagee: obviously NOR u-boot is mad old and doesn't include all the fixes. And the kernel unfortunately doesn't ensure all GPIOs, PMU etc are initialized properly. So you might have all kinds of weird problems with NOR uboot. |
| 09:33.29 | PaulFertser | Come on, it's obvious |
| 09:33.30 | PaulFertser | ;) |
| 09:34.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | NOR is power+aux? |
| 09:35.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | er, *aux+power |
| 09:35.18 | lindi_ | just had to binary patch Qi to make sure it does not pass conxole=tty0 |
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| 09:43.46 | PaulFertser | lindi_: you have very special requirements after all. Qi is supposed to work for ordinary people out-of-the-box ;) |
| 09:44.48 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: i did this to reproduce a bug for enrico |
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| 10:43.29 | Darkas | could it be that the gps poweron "file" in /sys changed since it was listed in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs |
| 10:43.30 | Darkas | ? |
| 10:43.43 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 10:44.08 | SpeedEvil | The wiki documentation is kept up to date by a crack staff of dead monkeys. |
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| 10:49.48 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: who cares about wiki sysfs documentation when there's source easily available and understandable? |
| 10:52.47 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: not everyone knows C |
| 10:53.53 | PaulFertser | lindi_: sysfs attributes have a very specific syntax |
| 10:54.39 | PaulFertser | lindi_: i'm sure that even if you show a linux kernel driver to a man who did only Lisp for the whole life he'll be able to figure sysfs node names quite quickly. And that is an extreme case. |
| 10:58.04 | Weiss | the name of a sysfs file is easy enough to find out, but the heirarchy is quite tricky if you don't vaguely know your way around the kernel source |
| 11:00.58 | PaulFertser | Weiss: yes, but it's not really needed since you have /bin/find handy ;) |
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| 12:19.43 | jaj | hi, do you think that an active GPRS connection can seriously degrade the quality of the GPS signal? |
| 12:21.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | interesting question. I hope theres an interesting answer. (I'm not sure what frequency GPS runs on, but I doubt it'll cop much interferance from GPRS) |
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| 12:22.16 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:22.23 | SpeedEvil | it can, and in some cases does. |
| 12:22.37 | SpeedEvil | It depends on the quality of the filters on the GPS largely. |
| 12:22.53 | jaj | I think I have less accurate GPS traces when I use GPRS at the same time |
| 12:22.55 | SpeedEvil | GPRS is up to 2W transmitter. |
| 12:23.07 | jaj | on the freerunner that is |
| 12:23.07 | SpeedEvil | GPS is 50W - covering the whole hemisphere. |
| 12:23.37 | SpeedEvil | If you have a transmitter running at several hundred billion times the signal that the GPS is emitting - filtering is hard. |
| 12:23.47 | SpeedEvil | signal that the GPS is recieving |
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| 12:26.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | SpeedEvil: correct me if i misunderstood - are you saying the GPS in an FR puts out 50w? |
| 12:26.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | and the GPRS is putting out 2w? |
| 12:27.03 | SpeedEvil | No - the GPS satellite broadcasts 50W |
| 12:27.09 | SpeedEvil | for an entire hemisphere of coverage |
| 12:27.22 | SpeedEvil | the GPRS radio transmits at a power of under 2W |
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| 12:27.56 | SpeedEvil | And it's several hundred trillion |
| 12:28.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh good. i was worried for a moment >.> |
| 12:28.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonder what frequency GPS runs at. |
| 12:29.20 | SpeedEvil | 1500some |
| 12:29.22 | SpeedEvil | MHz |
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| 12:31.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. 50W doesnt seem like much for that frequency, bu I guess you don't need to receive much to get a signal |
| 12:32.30 | SpeedEvil | Kamping_Kaiser: You've also got between a factor of 1000, and 20000 coding gain - depending on how you measure stuff. |
| 12:32.43 | SpeedEvil | Kamping_Kaiser: and the fundamental datarate is only 50bps |
| 12:33.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats a big gain. |
| 12:33.27 | SpeedEvil | the 50bps signal basically says what time it is on the satellite, and gives orbital info. |
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| 13:44.38 | skamster | hello there.. i've a strange problem.. if i connect my brothers openmoko, then it doesn't show anything on the computer.. using kubuntu 9.04 and shr-unstable from yesterday.. the strange thing is: my openmoko is already updatet, but it works |
| 13:45.18 | skamster | with dmesg on openmoko it show's me this: usb curlim to 100 mA |
| 13:45.23 | skamster | when i connected it |
| 13:45.41 | skamster | and usb curlim to 0 mA when i disconnectet it |
| 13:45.59 | skamster | so, does someone know, where the problem is? |
| 13:46.05 | SpeedEvil | what doesn't work? |
| 13:46.37 | skamster | i couldn't connect the phone to my computer... it doesn't appear on the pc |
| 13:46.39 | SpeedEvil | you can't connect to usb0? |
| 13:46.47 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean by appear |
| 13:46.52 | skamster | not usb0, normaly it's ethx |
| 13:47.00 | skamster | but i could, with my openmoko |
| 13:47.07 | SpeedEvil | and yes - now it's ethx - I was wondering if that was your issue |
| 13:47.20 | skamster | now, i have the openmoko of my brother |
| 13:47.22 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 13:47.23 | skamster | same software |
| 13:47.28 | skamster | but it doesn't work |
| 13:47.32 | SpeedEvil | same cable? |
| 13:47.35 | skamster | yes |
| 13:47.36 | skamster | 2 |
| 13:47.55 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I don't have any immediate insights. |
| 13:47.55 | skamster | both cables work with my moko, both doesn't work with the other one |
| 13:48.04 | SpeedEvil | Umm |
| 13:48.24 | skamster | so i maked a dmesg on the moko of my brother.. it detect something, but not the right thing.. |
| 13:48.26 | SpeedEvil | does the ethernet module say anything? |
| 13:48.36 | skamster | usb curlim to 100 mA |
| 13:48.38 | skamster | just this |
| 13:48.54 | SpeedEvil | Is the OM charged and on? |
| 13:49.03 | skamster | yes |
| 13:49.14 | SpeedEvil | And is it plugged into a motherboard port directly, or a powered hub? |
| 13:50.13 | skamster | on a normal usb-connector on my laptop.. nothing with peripherie, but i didn't open my laptop ;) |
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| 13:51.05 | skamster | mmh, there is one diffrent, but i don't know, if this is important.. the phone of my brother had no simcard for now |
| 13:51.35 | SpeedEvil | Shouldn't be |
| 13:51.41 | SpeedEvil | can you pastebin the dmesg? |
| 13:52.17 | skamster | it's a little bit difficult, because i hadn't a wireless-programm on the moko |
| 13:52.34 | skamster | and without shell on the computer.. mmh.. :s |
| 13:52.45 | alfatangoxt | ave |
| 13:52.56 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 13:53.07 | SpeedEvil | you don't have access to the computer? |
| 13:53.19 | SpeedEvil | that you're plugging it into? |
| 13:53.34 | skamster | i have access to the computer, but the computer doesn't reconize anything |
| 13:53.41 | skamster | just the moko does |
| 13:54.03 | SpeedEvil | There is no mention at all of any USB peripheral being plugged into the host computer? |
| 13:54.28 | SpeedEvil | (in syslog/dmesg) |
| 13:56.26 | skamster | no |
| 13:57.44 | skamster | it just reconize the other moko |
| 13:57.45 | skamster | :s |
| 13:57.54 | skamster | there's nothing |
| 13:58.33 | skamster | mh |
| 13:58.39 | SpeedEvil | I would first try seeing what happens when I plug the 'dead' OM in and reboot it |
| 13:58.42 | SpeedEvil | while connected |
| 13:58.56 | skamster | i reflash it with a older version.. |
| 13:59.08 | skamster | i does it, but it's the same |
| 13:59.16 | SpeedEvil | It can be reflashed? |
| 13:59.30 | skamster | yeah, flashing is possible |
| 13:59.55 | SpeedEvil | If it's not showing up in when you plug it in - it's certainly not reflashable - on that computer - as I understnad it. |
| 14:00.05 | skamster | but it's strange, because i'm also on the newest version.. so i have the same software |
| 14:02.41 | skamster | mmh.. ok, i just looked for things like usb0/ethx |
| 14:03.10 | skamster | and i think, on u-boot isn't something like that |
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| 14:06.04 | SpeedEvil | I mean - what shows up in syslog when you plug the OM in. |
| 14:06.46 | lindi_ | skamster: boot loader does not matter but the kernel parameters do |
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| 14:07.15 | lindi_ | skamster: Qi is hardcoded to pass some parameters to kernel that change that |
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| 14:13.14 | skamster | SpeedEvil: when i plug in the om, nothing |
| 14:14.00 | skamster | mh, ah, yeah, by flashing, there is something, but on the mainsys was nothing |
| 14:14.44 | skamster | lindi_: i didn't change something in kerel parameters.. |
| 14:15.11 | skamster | i've just build in a "jumper" for qi |
| 14:15.43 | skamster | because i want to start shr from internal flash, with a secondary sys on the memorycard |
| 14:15.51 | lindi_ | skamster: but the boot loader is hardcoded to change it |
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| 16:05.25 | sid | hi, how can i export the phonebook to a file in shr-testing? |
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| 16:07.32 | sid | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.00 | sid | it only gives me a output after 2/3 runs |
| 16:08.06 | lindi_ | sid: why do you expect it to work? ;) |
| 16:09.52 | sid | lindi_: syntax or what? |
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| 16:13.39 | lindi_ | sid: reading from stdin |
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| 16:26.22 | sid | lindi_: should work... cat test|mickeyterm works... test is filled with at+cpbr=1-99 |
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| 16:55.03 | fredrin | FAIL: Start GPRS with SHR-Setings, get connected, disconnect and now I can't ssh into the phone, FIX restart networking |
| 16:55.43 | fredrin | FAIL: Start GPRS use pidgin, disconnect, now suspend dosent work |
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| 17:04.33 | Meomer | hmm, i don't get a wireless connection anymore, there's no eth0 device even after unloading and reloading the ar6000 module |
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| 18:34.32 | Meomer | hmm, what is the exact use of the split button in the track logging tab ov tangogps? |
| 18:34.53 | SpeedEvil | it is to split a track |
| 18:35.03 | SpeedEvil | For example, you have driven up to a cliff in your car. |
| 18:35.17 | SpeedEvil | You split the track, and jump off by a parachute. |
| 18:35.36 | Kagee | Meomer: It starts a new log-file with a new timestamp, from the time you press the button |
| 18:35.37 | SpeedEvil | You then land, split the track again, and ride back a mountain bike trail to your car. |
| 18:36.10 | SpeedEvil | You don't want the three tracks to be in one, as they are different modes of transport, and require different tagging - if uploading to openstreetmap. |
| 18:36.37 | Meomer | so, how would you go on about getting villages "marked" for instance to add to OSM? |
| 18:37.11 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners%27_Guide |
| 18:37.21 | SpeedEvil | you basically take your track, upload it, and annotate it. |
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| 18:41.11 | SpeedEvil | Also - #osm on irc.oftc.net is elpful. |
| 18:41.12 | SpeedEvil | ^h |
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| 18:41.36 | Meomer | i'm gonna kill my GF's brother for giving me his freerunner |
| 18:41.59 | Meomer | before that i had a quiet and peaceful irc life which only needed shortcuts for 20 windows ;) |
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| 18:53.16 | Weiss | hehe |
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| 18:55.26 | Meomer | i was just wondering if using split on a bus journey might be a good way of saving where i am when the bus stops in a little village for instance :) |
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| 18:56.59 | SpeedEvil | ideally there'd also be a little button to take voice notes too. Or if you have a camera, you sync it to gps time (take a pic of the screen at the start of the day) - and then take pics of signs/... which are ayutoamticlaly taggable with the location. |
| 18:57.02 | SpeedEvil | Meomer: where are you? |
| 18:57.40 | Meomer | Zurich |
| 18:58.51 | SpeedEvil | Statistically, four other mappers on the bus will also be mappers :) |
| 18:59.21 | Meomer | i don't bother for zurich :) |
| 18:59.23 | SpeedEvil | the germans are expanding their mapping now they've finished germany! :) |
| 18:59.30 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5336 10/developers/werner/fped/ (10 files): |
| 18:59.30 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - slight Makefile cleanup |
| 18:59.30 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - cleaned up variable display (on-going) |
| 18:59.40 | Meomer | they should have some nice holidays in the south of switzerland |
| 19:01.42 | PaulFertser | Heh, switching to report charger state directly proved to be more difficult than i first appreciated :D Having no debug board i used some stupid software hack (not lindi_'s ramconsole as i didn't want to bother with it) to find out that "BUG: sleeping function called from invalid context... irqs_disabled"... |
| 19:07.18 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5337 10/developers/werner/fped/ (gui_canvas.c qfn.fpd): |
| 19:07.18 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - fixed syntax error in qfn.fpd |
| 19:07.18 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - coordinate display now looks more like KiCad's |
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| 19:41.06 | fredrin | any good examples if i want to play with python and bluetooth the FSO way? |
| 19:42.09 | Kagee | fredrin: as far as i know, the fso part of bluetooth on the fr is only to turn it on |
| 19:42.31 | Kagee | after that the bluez4 (linuz bluetooth framework) waktes over the job |
| 19:42.44 | fredrin | Kagee, ah, ok |
| 19:42.45 | Kagee | s/wakes/takes/g |
| 19:44.05 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r937201bc7bbf 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_ogsmd_calls.py: opimd: ogsmd-Calls: fix error when loading entries |
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| 19:59.51 | fredrin | Kagee, cant find any example doc on how to turn bluetooth on and off at the freesmartphone.org site, weak |
| 20:00.57 | Meomer | oh, i still haven't found a way to get my eth0 back :) |
| 20:01.00 | fredrin | tried to use mdbus with os.system but that gave lots of warnings, guess that is not the Right Way to do ti |
| 20:01.25 | fredrin | Meomer, restart network service? |
| 20:01.59 | Meomer | i just tried unloading and reloading the ar6000 module |
| 20:03.11 | lindi_ | Meomer: why? |
| 20:03.20 | Meomer | the iface just doesn't show up in ifconfig -a anymore |
| 20:03.29 | fredrin | epic fail |
| 20:03.31 | Meomer | and i'm at a loss finding serious logs :) |
| 20:03.31 | lindi_ | Meomer: bind it? |
| 20:03.49 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r24c16346bc05 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_calls.py pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: make merging a little faster and fix bug with duplicates |
| 20:04.11 | PaulFertser | Meomer: what distro are you using? |
| 20:04.26 | PaulFertser | Meomer: if it's FSO-based i suggest fsoraw. |
| 20:04.26 | Meomer | shr unstable |
| 20:04.53 | PaulFertser | Meomer: fsoraw -r WiFi -- wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -Dwext -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 20:04.58 | PaulFertser | Meomer: is what you want. |
| 20:05.41 | Meomer | i haven't used wpa_supplicant, just iwconfig |
| 20:07.12 | PaulFertser | Meomer: i suggest you use wpa_supplicant for all networks |
| 20:07.22 | Meomer | even unprotected? |
| 20:07.28 | PaulFertser | Meomer: using ifconfig up/down can expose wlan driver bugs. |
| 20:07.41 | PaulFertser | Meomer: yes, even unprotected. It automatically scans and connects to the one available. |
| 20:07.52 | PaulFertser | Meomer: (and present in its config) |
| 20:08.05 | Meomer | well, using ifconfig is out of the question so far anyway since i don't have an iface to work on :) |
| 20:08.48 | PaulFertser | Meomer: fsoraw is the answer |
| 20:09.17 | PaulFertser | . o O ( shit, it's _really_ time to write a wikipage about FSO resources, everyday the same questions ... ) |
| 20:10.59 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5338 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch gta02-core.sch): AMP_SHUT and HP_IN signals aren't needed - ecn0010 |
| 20:11.13 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: does fsoraw have a manual page? |
| 20:11.32 | PaulFertser | lindi_: i'm afraid no. |
| 20:11.46 | PaulFertser | lindi_: though you know a good method to generate it. |
| 20:11.52 | Kagee | fredrin: usageiface.RequestResource('Bluetooth') |
| 20:12.14 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: nope, i'd need to run it :) |
| 20:12.15 | Kagee | and usageiface.ReleaseResource('Bluetooth') - that's on of - in cli-framework |
| 20:13.22 | PaulFertser | lindi_: i can run it for you ;) |
| 20:13.51 | lindi_ | sorry, not interested :) |
| 20:14.03 | lindi_ | i'll stick to iwconfig |
| 20:14.07 | lindi_ | and ifup |
| 20:14.47 | ndnihil_ | wow |
| 20:15.03 | ndnihil | work just sent me a samsung sph-i700 |
| 20:15.08 | ndnihil | thing is huge |
| 20:15.12 | ndnihil | even compared to the FR |
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| 20:29.04 | fredrin | why do i get this warning: obj = dbus.SystemBus().get_object('org.freesmartphone.ousaged', '/org/freesmartphone/Usage') |
| 20:29.04 | fredrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.07 | Meomer | paulfertser: i guess my mistake was that i never even thought that this is handled by the fso |
| 20:29.11 | fredrin | ups |
| 20:29.17 | fredrin | wrong buffer |
| 20:29.39 | fredrin | Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged |
| 20:29.56 | fredrin | ^^ |
| 20:30.09 | ndnihil | the utility you are using calls a function that will soon be unavailable in that lib |
| 20:30.31 | ndnihil | mdbus ? |
| 20:30.46 | ndnihil | I get it with that a lot |
| 20:32.19 | fredrin | objBluetooth = dbus.SystemBus().get_object('org.freesmartphone.ousaged', '/org/freesmartphone/Usage') |
| 20:32.19 | fredrin | requestBluetooth = dbus.Interface(objBluetooth, 'org.freesmartphone.Usage').RequestResource('Bluetooth') |
| 20:32.32 | fredrin | this is the way I try to request it |
| 20:37.00 | PaulFertser | E's battery gadget still doesn't like my gta01 battery driver. Shit :( |
| 20:42.18 | mwester | summons raster to the White House for a beer, in order to explain the battery gadget's apparent prejudice to the gta01. |
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| 20:43.10 | Meomer | is fso documentation hard to come by in general? :) |
| 20:44.15 | PaulFertser | Meomer: docs.freesmartphone.org |
| 20:45.33 | Kagee | Meomer: fso *examples might be hard to come by, except i.e zhone or cli-framework. |
| 20:45.42 | fredrin | Meomer, it's just very weak, lacks examples |
| 20:46.01 | fredrin | medium fail |
| 20:46.03 | Kagee | *docs are where PaulFertser pointed you |
| 20:46.24 | Meomer | it lacks a keyword for me, which would be wifi |
| 20:47.50 | fredrin | Kagee, been reading there, but could not find examples |
| 20:48.15 | fredrin | now i just looked at how openBmap get's it resources, but then i got the warnings |
| 20:48.53 | PaulFertser | mwester: he expects to deal with smart enough batteries... |
| 20:49.03 | fredrin | i could do it with mdbus, but want to learn how to do it the FSO way |
| 20:49.51 | PaulFertser | mwester: his code looks for either charge_now or energy_now or voltage_now and then does some weird calculation... |
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| 20:50.05 | PaulFertser | mwester: and we need it to simple show what "capacity" node has. |
| 20:50.32 | PaulFertser | simply |
| 20:51.04 | mwester | The gta01 dumb battery driver can't expose the *_now sysfs vars? |
| 20:51.21 | mwester | (it's been a very long time since I looked at that, sorry) |
| 20:53.07 | PaulFertser | mwester: i do expose only voltage_now. Obviously lack other values, just nowhere to get those from. |
| 20:53.58 | mwester | How does the driver get capacity, if it does not know the current? |
| 20:54.15 | mwester | Or does it simply guess from the voltage? |
| 20:54.28 | PaulFertser | mwester: and i expose an estimated capacity, based on approximation, yes, guess from the voltage. |
| 20:54.39 | mwester | Hmm. |
| 20:54.52 | PaulFertser | mwester: unfortunately, current readings are impossible on gta02 and useless due to noise on gta01. |
| 20:54.52 | mwester | Well, not very accurate, but I guess it's better than nothing. :D |
| 20:55.03 | PaulFertser | That's what i'm talking about. |
| 20:55.15 | mwester | (current readings) ah, ok. I recall that discussion now. |
| 20:55.34 | PaulFertser | And now when i finally fixed a couple of nasty bugs (including race conditions etc) along the way, batget fails to use the driver :( |
| 20:55.48 | mwester | So basically, any attempt by the E gadget to compute capacity on its own is going to be worse than what the driver comes up with, in reality. |
| 20:57.00 | PaulFertser | mwester: funny thing that if i switch battery monitor to HAL method it will use it ok but will be fooled by "usb" and "ac" sysfs nodes as it finds a mean of capacities expressed in percentages (utter nonsense!) |
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| 20:57.51 | mwester | BTW, it did occur to me a long time ago when we first discussed the voltage-to-capacity conversion function that it would be nice it there was a sysfs node one could write a table into, in order to load a custom table for a specific battery, or battery type. Assuming, for example, that the voltage vs capacity for a Nokia battery is different than that of the moko gta01 battery... |
| 20:58.02 | PaulFertser | mwester: raster says that it's bug in HAL that it shows USB as a battery. But how does it matter, as battery is the only device actually providing necessary nodes... |
| 20:58.30 | Wonka | tobii_: http://blog.koehntopp.de/archives/2516-Wardriving-fuer-Maenner.html |
| 20:58.45 | PaulFertser | mwester: yes, i thought about that too. Doable but not very useable. Folks say that basically all LiIon batteries are the same. |
| 20:59.00 | mwester | Well, it's a bug in HAL that it computes the number of batteries based on bogus sysfs dirs, instead of on the specific content of the sysfs files that could tell it which are bats and which are not. |
| 20:59.29 | Wonka | USB is more like AC than like a Battery, nor? |
| 20:59.46 | PaulFertser | mwester: it provides 3 batteries: one real, one apm emulated and one USB. It considers USB to be a battery on purpose (unknown to me, but there's a specific commit). |
| 21:00.12 | mwester | Agreed on the doable but not very usable part -- especially since it really doesn't matter how accurate it is, except at the "nearly dead" end of the scale (where we need to take action; all else is just to light up bars for the user on the UI) |
| 21:00.13 | PaulFertser | mwester: but averaging percentages doesn't make any sense too! If raster did the right thing those bogus batteries would be simply ignored. |
| 21:00.58 | mwester | (averaging percentages) good point. Mathematically silly. |
| 21:01.33 | PaulFertser | I even talked him to agree that that's wrong and we agreed on a different (sane) stratagy of dealing with multiple batteries. But he's no time for that. |
| 21:01.34 | mwester | Wonka, I would agree that USB is more like AC, at least for the OM devices. |
| 21:01.36 | PaulFertser | ATM |
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| 21:06.54 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5339 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch docs/ecn/ecn0009.txt docs/ecn/ecn0025.txt io.sch): review ecn0009 and ecn0025, impliment ecn0025 |
| 21:07.27 | PaulFertser | I think i need to foul his batget for the driver to be actually useable. :( |
| 21:11.51 | PaulFertser | s/foul/fool/ |
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| 21:18.25 | PaulFertser | Yay, seem to work as expected now! |
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| 21:24.07 | PaulFertser | has only 2 easy bugs in bq27000 left and i will declare battery management on FR as proper and complete :D |
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| 21:29.01 | Weiss | :D |
| 21:30.45 | Weiss | PaulFertser: ^ |
| 21:31.01 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: do you have any log that proves that initially charging current threshold was set too low? Your batlog.txt.odf looks ok in this regard. |
| 21:32.03 | PaulFertser | Weiss: funny how many things you go through (including races, workqueues, mutexes, irqs and other "hardcore" stuff) just to make a really dumb battery driver... |
| 21:32.22 | Weiss | yeah |
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| 21:33.50 | lindi_ | Weiss: any comments on http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2302 ? |
| 21:34.24 | PaulFertser | lindi_: again? |
| 21:34.56 | PaulFertser | lindi_: there's a specific commit in OM (and only here) that turns off the proper behaviour (to disable trigger when brightness is set to 0). |
| 21:35.16 | Weiss | definitely outside my (limited) area of knowledge.. |
| 21:35.18 | PaulFertser | lindi_: i can't see why do you care that much about it. |
| 21:35.57 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: because it affects my utility :) |
| 21:36.11 | PaulFertser | lindi_: i can revert that commit in now time, i just can't see how we benefit from it since we'll drop all the crap anyway really soon. |
| 21:36.21 | PaulFertser | s/now time/no time/ |
| 21:36.31 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: how about dropping it one small piece at a time? |
| 21:36.43 | PaulFertser | lindi_: come on, you've already implemented a decent workaround in your utility ;) |
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| 21:38.06 | PaulFertser | lindi_: it looks like you didn't read the kernel ML for long enough... We're going to stop developing andy-tracking altogether. Get 2.6.31 and topic branches for pushing drivers upstream. This is inevitable and we'll drop all the crap (like that Sean's commit) like a side-effect. |
| 21:38.41 | PaulFertser | s/like a/as a/ |
| 21:38.54 | PaulFertser | should really go to sleep now |
| 21:41.17 | PaulFertser | And i really don't like how FSO informs me of the charging/battery state :( The battery is still not full obviously because charger is active. But the voltage is already near the upper limit, so the driver reports 100% capacity. And FSO turns on the blue led... |
| 21:41.49 | PaulFertser | Moreover when the charge will be over and the battery will start to discharge on GSM modem it won't give me any clue, the led will still be blue. |
| 21:42.57 | PaulFertser | And it will discharge to 76% before the charger will kick in again. It's correct behaviour but i want to be noticed properly about that. |
| 21:46.15 | PaulFertser | Ok, really away now. See you :) |
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