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| 05:09.53 | Railer | so the name of the room is now paper weights r us? |
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| 05:13.58 | SpeedEvil | The software is continuing to improve |
| 05:14.25 | Blu3 | what makes a freerunner a paperweight? |
| 05:14.33 | Blu3 | it's still as functional as it was |
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| 05:16.26 | kkb110 | I hope openmoko has a camera D: |
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| 05:22.11 | Railer | Blu3 the point it's functionality made it a paper weight |
| 05:22.28 | Blu3 | seems to work pretty good by me |
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| 05:23.07 | Railer | well to be honest, mines been in a drawer for over a year |
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| 05:23.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | its ok, they are not afraid of dark |
| 05:23.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | my two seem to be surviving in the light ok too ;) |
| 05:23.55 | Railer | I was wondering if the OS is a little more solid for Wifi |
| 05:24.54 | Railer | and gps |
| 05:25.03 | Blu3 | i admit there are some bugs, but they usually get fixed. we just like making more bugs to keep ourselves occupied |
| 05:25.18 | Blu3 | my wifi works pretty good, gps works rather well too |
| 05:25.21 | Railer | I dont even want to use it as a phone, just gps/wifi |
| 05:25.31 | Railer | even wifi would be nice |
| 05:25.43 | Railer | wifi music player |
| 05:26.04 | Blu3 | i tend to leave my phone plugged into the charger by the aquarium and ssh into it to write my software 'n stuff |
| 05:26.28 | Blu3 | being that i do it most of the day, i'd wager that wifi is stable enough to be useful |
| 05:26.41 | Railer | so it's a fish sitter... good good.. thinking out of the box |
| 05:28.18 | Railer | wifi work though? I just have a acer strapped to the car works great |
| 05:32.24 | Railer | so whats the story hows wifi? |
| 05:36.47 | Railer | what do i smell? |
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| 05:50.16 | PaulFertser | lindi_: hi :) |
| 05:50.54 | PaulFertser | lindi_: the plan is to move to the new kernel development model really soon, so old crap like that will be just omitted. |
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| 08:15.28 | PaulFertser | Guys, i still can't understand why i should see a blue LED when my battery is actually not full and not charging? |
| 08:15.37 | PaulFertser | Imagine i came home, plugged to the usb, it charged the battery fully to 100%, disabled charger (to not damaged the battery) and then i get a call and talk for an hour. All that time the battery is discharging by the gsm modem. Is discharging. And it's not 100% capacity anymore. |
| 08:15.48 | PaulFertser | Isn't it confusing to see the blue led while your battery is only at 80%? |
| 08:15.58 | PaulFertser | Even with the charger plugged you can have you battery discharging with as much as ~100mA! |
| 08:16.15 | PaulFertser | ^^^ RFC ^^^ |
| 08:16.32 | ndnihil | threshold setting somewhere? |
| 08:17.41 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: it's a matter of UI, the behaviour itself is correct. |
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| 08:20.22 | ndnihil | I leave mine plugged in most of the time |
| 08:20.43 | ndnihil | is the charging circuit not smart enough to stop charging? |
| 08:23.04 | thrashold | Isn't the color of the led controlled by frameworkd? |
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| 08:41.17 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: if you use the latest Qi then you're safe. What i don't like is that FSO keeps blue led despite it's not charging anymore. |
| 08:41.54 | PaulFertser | thrashold: exactly. I don't like how frameworkd indicates the state when the battery is not charged anymore. |
| 08:42.42 | thrashold | It's just a little sloppy ;) |
| 08:44.11 | PaulFertser | thrashold: btw, we can use both blue and orange at the same time, gives beautiful magenta. |
| 08:45.05 | thrashold | I'm surprised that frameworkd doesn't manage to produce magenta by accident already :) |
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| 08:46.36 | lindi_ | i wrote a tool to control LED devices, git clone http://iki.fi/lindi/git/ledctrl/ if you want to test |
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| 08:50.37 | PaulFertser | lindi_: i thought you are a darcs adept? |
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| 08:51.23 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: it was just an easy way to learn distributed scm |
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| 08:53.02 | PaulFertser | lindi_: :) is the tool suitroot'able? |
| 08:53.54 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: not sure yet |
| 08:54.11 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: i filed a kernel bug |
| 08:54.26 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: meanwhile I can maybe invoke a tiny suidroot helper to change the permissions when needed |
| 08:54.27 | PaulFertser | lindi_: i thought perl scripts are the same wrt this as bash. |
| 08:54.43 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: i think so yes |
| 08:55.07 | lindi_ | actually, i filed two kernel bugs |
| 08:55.58 | lindi_ | http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11612 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2302 |
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| 08:58.07 | laotseu | do you know a good lightweight imageviewer ? |
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| 08:58.31 | laotseu | (available on SHR) |
| 08:58.58 | PaulFertser | lindi_: i saw the first. |
| 08:59.34 | PaulFertser | lindi_: are you sure you want it fixed right now or you can wait till the 2.6.31 release and more appropriate kernel development model? |
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| 09:03.49 | PaulFertser | lindi_: btw, you're still using u-boot, right? |
| 09:04.50 | PaulFertser | lindi_: i'm afraid it still uses a wrong value for charging cutoff current and kernel doesn't change that. This results in overcharging the battery. |
| 09:05.36 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: Qi right nowbecause of glamo |
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| 09:05.56 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: should it not be fixed in mainline? |
| 09:06.13 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: i was just not sure if itis openmokos pecific bug, i have no other led dfevices |
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| 09:07.05 | PaulFertser | lindi_: what bug? Permissions or trigger? |
| 09:09.06 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: both |
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| 09:09.38 | PaulFertser | lindi_: trigger is introduced on purpose by Seon McNeil for unknown reason, it should be simply reverted. |
| 09:10.05 | PaulFertser | lindi_: first i suppose is a design flaw, let's wait what Greg will answer to your comment. |
| 09:10.50 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: trigger is needed surely for blinking? |
| 09:11.07 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: which bug are you talking? ;) |
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| 09:11.33 | PaulFertser | lindi_: you gave me two links: one is about trigger not reset when brightness is 0. That's OM-specific. |
| 09:11.43 | PaulFertser | lindi_: second is permissions in sysfs. |
| 09:12.02 | PaulFertser | lindi_: s/trigger is introduced/trigger bug is introduced/ |
| 09:13.51 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: aha |
| 09:13.57 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: good to know it is OM specific :) |
| 09:14.10 | PaulFertser | lindi_: Haven't you seen larsc's responce? |
| 09:15.00 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: nope |
| 09:15.16 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: I am unable to access my home machine since people spilled water on my adsl modem |
| 09:15.34 | PaulFertser | lindi_: btw, looks like we can dump our cool gta02-specific bq27000-enabled fancy batteries as i don't see it's any better than nokia's. |
| 09:15.44 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/talojakamo-2009-07-28/ has photos :P |
| 09:16.06 | PaulFertser | lindi_: you have documented _everything_ in your life :D |
| 09:16.31 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: well, there were some 14 users for that adsl, they started complaining to me |
| 09:16.36 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: and i'm in spain now |
| 09:17.01 | PaulFertser | lindi_: probably you have a log for every relationship too, just in case? ;) |
| 09:19.44 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: that's what irc logs are for :) |
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| 09:22.00 | RamsesFSFE | PaulFertser, you don't want to use Nokia stuff |
| 09:22.21 | PaulFertser | RamsesFSFE: why? Because nokia is evil? |
| 09:23.09 | RamsesFSFE | PaulFertser, yes, definitely. They support the dictators in Iran with technical support for their censorship infrastructure. That's inacceptable for someone who wants to support free systems |
| 09:23.46 | PaulFertser | RamsesFSFE: yes. Also i need to stop using google even to search the web, right? |
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| 09:24.23 | PaulFertser | RamsesFSFE: also i can say nokia bl5-c compatible batteries instead. |
| 09:24.41 | PaulFertser | Dirt cheap and easily accessible. |
| 09:25.41 | PaulFertser | RamsesFSFE: btw, Nokia doesn't produce those batteries themselves, there're several vendors who do that as ODM/OEM (?). |
| 09:27.14 | RamsesFSFE | I see |
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| 09:27.37 | panicking | Hi all |
| 09:28.56 | panicking | PaulFertser, Hi |
| 09:29.33 | panicking | I have done the new android version of the freerunner and I think for now is the best one |
| 09:29.36 | PaulFertser | panicking: Hey :D |
| 09:29.59 | panicking | panicking, I have a regression with the last battery commit |
| 09:30.00 | PaulFertser | panicking: i'm glad to see you're fine :) |
| 09:30.29 | PaulFertser | panicking: last battery commit? |
| 09:30.36 | panicking | -ENODEV |
| 09:30.56 | PaulFertser | panicking: i think that's A bug, no? ;) |
| 09:31.28 | panicking | yes, but I have strange beahvior, I read garbage sometimes |
| 09:31.32 | panicking | from battery status file |
| 09:31.36 | panicking | revert that one |
| 09:31.39 | panicking | fix my issue |
| 09:32.08 | PaulFertser | panicking: can you be more specific? |
| 09:32.13 | panicking | yes |
| 09:32.14 | PaulFertser | panicking: please? ;) |
| 09:32.45 | panicking | ok |
| 09:32.48 | panicking | read from /sys/class/power_supply/battery/status |
| 09:33.05 | panicking | or /sys/class/power_supply/battery/health |
| 09:33.12 | panicking | report invalid data |
| 09:33.25 | panicking | Now it happen with the last commit |
| 09:33.31 | panicking | the file is open and close |
| 09:33.42 | panicking | from android subsystem |
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| 09:34.13 | PaulFertser | panicking: how do you tell the data is invalid? |
| 09:34.46 | panicking | because android use them to the upper layer |
| 09:34.54 | panicking | and when read for example |
| 09:35.16 | panicking | "/sys/class/power_supply/battery/technology" |
| 09:35.20 | panicking | technology file |
| 09:35.31 | panicking | the string is garbage |
| 09:35.36 | panicking | and the system crash because |
| 09:35.38 | panicking | it try |
| 09:35.42 | panicking | to convert in UTF string |
| 09:35.53 | PaulFertser | panicking: brb |
| 09:36.05 | panicking | Yes I know is how it works |
| 09:36.09 | PaulFertser | panicking: but you description is uber-funny. Android at its best :D |
| 09:36.17 | PaulFertser | ;) |
| 09:36.26 | PaulFertser | panicking: sorry, work, bb in 15 min. |
| 09:36.32 | panicking | This is happen periodic to have an invalid state |
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| 10:02.50 | PaulFertser | panicking: so, what files do report invalid data? |
| 10:03.20 | panicking | The problem is in the android framework |
| 10:03.40 | panicking | because it doesnt' check |
| 10:03.43 | panicking | the present bit |
| 10:03.48 | panicking | But I notice |
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| 10:04.01 | panicking | But the ENODEV condidion |
| 10:04.06 | panicking | is periodic |
| 10:04.26 | panicking | like sometimes it have an invalid state reporting |
| 10:04.32 | PaulFertser | panicking: periodic ENODEV is ok and expected behaviour. Just sometimes HDQ fails. |
| 10:04.33 | panicking | and I have the battery plugged in |
| 10:04.42 | panicking | Ok |
| 10:04.47 | panicking | I don't know |
| 10:04.54 | panicking | I didn't know |
| 10:04.57 | panicking | this |
| 10:05.41 | PaulFertser | panicking: i'm not sure something can be done about it. HDQ is already implemented using FIQ's, i guess timing is ok there. No idea why it fails but since it doesn't happen too often i'm not sure it worth spending time at right now. |
| 10:06.22 | panicking | ok, so reporting fail is the stable behavior |
| 10:06.26 | panicking | sometimes |
| 10:06.56 | PaulFertser | Yes, unfortunately. |
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| 10:07.42 | PaulFertser | panicking: do you use FR as your day-to-day cellphone? |
| 10:08.36 | PaulFertser | panicking: also don't forget that many people might want to use a dumb battery with FR, so it will report ENODEV constantly until the driver is unbinded. |
| 10:09.35 | panicking | PaulFertser, I think that my last android images is a pretty good image |
| 10:09.50 | panicking | I can use gmail wireless |
| 10:09.59 | panicking | phone |
| 10:10.24 | panicking | but I don't have a mobile |
| 10:10.40 | panicking | I use the freerunner only for a target development platform |
| 10:11.57 | panicking | Now the other distribuition are far away from android |
| 10:12.20 | panicking | I'm working on hardware glamo acceleration |
| 10:12.23 | panicking | on android |
| 10:13.03 | PaulFertser | panicking: far away in what sense? |
| 10:13.17 | PaulFertser | panicking: and why don't you have a cellphone? |
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| 10:13.50 | panicking | Android feature: |
| 10:14.05 | panicking | - wifi |
| 10:14.12 | panicking | - complete brawser support |
| 10:14.29 | panicking | - gsm |
| 10:14.40 | panicking | - video/music |
| 10:15.06 | PaulFertser | panicking: same in any GNU/Linux distro. |
| 10:15.18 | panicking | - sensor on all application |
| 10:15.40 | panicking | - it isn't slow in run application |
| 10:15.52 | panicking | - android application download area |
| 10:16.09 | PaulFertser | panicking: what about bluetooth headsets support for GSM conversations? And for VoIP? What about high-quality A2DP bluetooth music streaming? |
| 10:16.29 | PaulFertser | panicking: every sane distro has a repository too. |
| 10:16.46 | panicking | I don't try again the handset |
| 10:16.59 | panicking | and the A2dp does'nt work |
| 10:17.11 | PaulFertser | panicking: from you featurelist i fail to see how A is any better than GNU/Linux distros. |
| 10:17.12 | panicking | or maybe I don't know excatly what it is |
| 10:17.33 | panicking | Because I have installed the other one |
| 10:17.41 | panicking | maybe I miss somenthing distrib |
| 10:17.51 | panicking | can you please give a name of a stable pretty distrib? |
| 10:18.07 | PaulFertser | panicking: no :) |
| 10:18.10 | Meomer | are there map packs for tango? |
| 10:18.22 | PaulFertser | panicking: SHR unstable is the one being actively developed. |
| 10:18.30 | Meomer | my friend google hasn't come back to me yet with results |
| 10:18.39 | Meomer | and i use friend in the loosest meaning there |
| 10:19.00 | panicking | Did you try android? |
| 10:19.17 | PaulFertser | panicking: I? |
| 10:19.21 | panicking | yes |
| 10:19.24 | PaulFertser | panicking: sure not |
| 10:19.30 | panicking | I have spent three days to align |
| 10:19.30 | PaulFertser | panicking: i don't want to be tainted ;) |
| 10:19.42 | panicking | to the latest one |
| 10:21.27 | panicking | ok, I notice writing the sensor module |
| 10:21.30 | panicking | in android |
| 10:21.51 | panicking | that I feature can be to disable the accelerometer |
| 10:22.03 | Meomer | i would love to switch between shr and android i like both now :/ |
| 10:22.22 | PaulFertser | panicking: i don't want to use android because it's not really free software (license is ok, but it's not developed in the open), because it reinvents the wheel, because it's aimed at selling shit etc. |
| 10:22.35 | panicking | yes I know |
| 10:22.49 | panicking | but It is important to have stable version on the freerunner |
| 10:22.54 | panicking | I don't love android |
| 10:23.10 | panicking | but give the possibilty to the users to have a stable pretty |
| 10:23.14 | panicking | mobile |
| 10:23.20 | tig| | I don't want android on my freerunner as I have it on my G1 and it is not very quick there |
| 10:23.55 | tobii_ | Wonka: ping |
| 10:26.05 | PaulFertser | panicking: and btw i had a talk with kernel devs from koolu android. They're too business oriented and don't want to collaborate properly :( |
| 10:26.59 | Wonka | tobii_: pong |
| 10:28.41 | panicking | PaulFertser, koolu doesn't have kenrel devs |
| 10:28.49 | panicking | I don't work with koolu |
| 10:28.51 | Meomer | i thought the koolu guys wanted to get it in the open |
| 10:29.05 | PaulFertser | panicking: i know that you're not from koolu. I talked with (uhm...) |
| 10:29.12 | PaulFertser | Chris? |
| 10:29.14 | Meomer | at least they're waving flags with those kind of statements on their homepage |
| 10:29.38 | larsc | koolu has it's own not public kernel tree? |
| 10:29.50 | PaulFertser | larsc: it's public |
| 10:29.54 | larsc | ah |
| 10:30.18 | PaulFertser | panicking: i talked with Brian Code |
| 10:30.45 | PaulFertser | http://git.koolu.org/?p=kernel/openmoko.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/koolu-1.0 |
| 10:30.59 | tobii_ | Wonka:qry |
| 10:31.01 | tobii_ | :) |
| 10:31.46 | panicking | I know, but that kernel is the openmoko kernel + yaffs2 support |
| 10:32.25 | panicking | and yaffs2 is not a koolu product |
| 10:32.25 | PaulFertser | panicking: + useless patches + android-shit wakelocks |
| 10:32.34 | panicking | well the android shit wakelock |
| 10:32.40 | panicking | will be included |
| 10:32.43 | panicking | in the kernel |
| 10:32.48 | panicking | suspend_lock |
| 10:32.59 | panicking | It is a temp hack |
| 10:33.28 | PaulFertser | panicking: Andy tried to convince android guys to use a kernel directly from his repo. To collaborate. He did plenty of work to make that happen. |
| 10:33.54 | panicking | I'm using andy repo |
| 10:34.00 | panicking | from the beginning |
| 10:34.10 | panicking | I never patched the kernel with yaffs2 support |
| 10:34.16 | PaulFertser | panicking: i'm talking about koolu kernel devs, not about you. |
| 10:34.22 | panicking | Ok |
| 10:34.28 | PaulFertser | panicking: you're a cool man :D |
| 10:34.58 | PaulFertser | And you actually collaborate unlike those guys. |
| 10:35.16 | panicking | yes I think that we need a community |
| 10:35.21 | panicking | and I'm alone |
| 10:35.25 | panicking | on android |
| 10:35.35 | panicking | so I must push changes to koolu repositroy |
| 10:35.41 | panicking | and wait for inclusion |
| 10:35.48 | panicking | and prepare new stable version |
| 10:36.18 | PaulFertser | panicking: i think i know why you're alone. Hackers don't like android and there're plenty of very serious reasons for that. |
| 10:36.56 | panicking | I read somenthing about open the android project |
| 10:37.20 | panicking | but now the code 2 months old |
| 10:37.25 | panicking | because google |
| 10:37.57 | panicking | doesn't open the internal repository |
| 10:39.12 | PaulFertser | panicking: even if they did i don't see how it's any better to hack on android than on *nix system. |
| 10:41.06 | panicking | I start android because I want help the openmoko project to sell freerunner |
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| 10:42.18 | panicking | And there are company that use freerunner in their internal project |
| 10:42.40 | panicking | and they want to test android and I'm happy to have the opportunity to release new version |
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| 10:45.27 | PaulFertser | panicking: understandable |
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| 11:04.21 | PaulFertser | Yay, patches for improving gta01 battery driver and for using it on gta02 are sent. I hope i didn't mess anything up (as i usually do). Please test! |
| 11:04.52 | PaulFertser | (FYI gta01 battery driver allows you to use _any_ mechanically compatible battery in your freerunner and still get a capacity estimate). |
| 11:07.28 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: can you charge nokia battery now? |
| 11:07.45 | PaulFertser | lindi_: it was possible before as well :D You just couldn't see it charging :) |
| 11:07.52 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: ah |
| 11:07.55 | PaulFertser | lindi_: now you have a voltage reading from PMU. |
| 11:08.14 | lindi_ | pain what kernel version? |
| 11:10.21 | PaulFertser | lindi_: latest patches on the kernel ML. |
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| 11:37.54 | panicking | PaulFertser, can you explain somenthing about A2Dp |
| 11:38.02 | panicking | Is there a support on the freerunner |
| 11:38.02 | panicking | ? |
| 11:38.07 | PaulFertser | panicking: yes |
| 11:38.19 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5326 10/developers/werner/fped/ (13 files): |
| 11:38.19 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added to do list |
| 11:38.19 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - vectors now have arrow heads |
| 11:38.19 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - breaking gui.c down into smaller parts |
| 11:38.19 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added status area |
| 11:38.20 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - added zoom and centering |
| 11:38.21 | PaulFertser | panicking: it's nothing FR specific, pure bluez stuff. |
| 11:38.22 | CIA-54 | openmoko: Still a lot more to do. |
| 11:38.39 | PaulFertser | panicking: works only for streaming audio _to_ the headphones. |
| 11:41.14 | PaulFertser | panicking: i've heard that stock mplayer doesn't support streaming MP3 (but many headsets can decode it directly) but that's a general issue, nothing FR-specific. |
| 11:43.36 | panicking | ok |
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| 11:46.38 | fredrin | is it still a problem with suspend in shr-unstable? |
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| 11:47.18 | fredrin | and what standby time is normal now a days? 1 or 2 days? |
| 11:47.58 | PaulFertser | fredrin: i don't know about suspend problems, shouldn't be any currently. |
| 11:48.14 | PaulFertser | fredrin: with deep sleep enabled suspend time can be as much as 143 hours. |
| 11:48.36 | fredrin | PaulFertser, how do i enable deep sleep? |
| 11:48.46 | PaulFertser | fredrin: do you have #1024 fixed? |
| 11:49.43 | fredrin | it just takes long time to register and some times i had to do it manualy with shr settings |
| 11:50.03 | fredrin | but with latest shr-unstable it works automagicaly again |
| 11:50.45 | PaulFertser | fredrin: what works? the bug? |
| 11:51.34 | fredrin | PaulFertser, i havent done anything to fix the bug myself, but i'm not sure if i'm affected |
| 11:52.06 | PaulFertser | fredrin: everybody is, sooner or later. |
| 11:52.16 | fredrin | so how do i fix it? |
| 11:52.36 | PaulFertser | fredrin: change one big (0805) capacitor. You can get a description in the ticket. |
| 11:53.12 | fredrin | not related to buzz fix? |
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| 11:55.02 | fredrin | so this will be many "Recamping Parties" now :D ? |
| 11:55.21 | fredrin | i have the tools to fix hardware stuff.... or the skillz |
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| 12:17.17 | RamsesFSFE | is there anyone using neovento? |
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| 12:46.44 | RamsesFSFE | FU**, I don't find any accepted or missed calls on neovento |
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| 12:59.42 | fredrin | is it very bad to force a laptop to charge with 1000mA |
| 13:00.01 | fredrin | don't have time to wait for the phone to charge with 500mA |
| 13:00.05 | SpeedEvil | Most laptios charge with considerably more? |
| 13:00.11 | SpeedEvil | I assume you mean charge from? |
| 13:00.18 | fredrin | yes |
| 13:00.20 | fredrin | sorry |
| 13:00.30 | SpeedEvil | In very few cases will that cause damage to the laptop. |
| 13:01.00 | SpeedEvil | The power supply will usually overcurrent limit, or the USB port will have current limiting that prevents damage. |
| 13:01.03 | fredrin | it's my brothers laptop :D |
| 13:01.32 | fredrin | but in the shr-setings it shows that it's charging with more or less 750mA up from 350mA |
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| 13:01.59 | SpeedEvil | I suppose you're also unwilling to open it up, and post a derived schematic of the USB ports? :) |
| 13:02.08 | fredrin | I'll blame Asus if it Fails |
| 13:02.09 | SpeedEvil | Otherwise, the best answer is 'probably not' |
| 13:02.16 | SpeedEvil | It's an EEEPC? |
| 13:02.48 | fredrin | Asus BT 183 |
| 13:02.53 | fredrin | came out before the EEE |
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| 13:04.48 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember comments about the design of the eeepc port saying that drawing up to 2A is OK - ads theyu are not individually current limited. |
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| 13:05.05 | SpeedEvil | I'Anyway - it's unlikely to do damage. |
| 13:05.15 | SpeedEvil | And if it does, you can buy him a new one :) |
| 13:07.20 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i think you can short any usb pin to any according to the specs of USB. |
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| 13:09.35 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: yes - however short may not be the worst case. |
| 13:10.40 | SpeedEvil | I hesitate to say that all laptops out there properly deal with arbitrary currents below their limiting (power off laptop/current limit port) output - but over 500mA. |
| 13:10.50 | SpeedEvil | I'd say it's safe to say that the vast majority do. |
| 13:10.59 | SpeedEvil | And that any that don't have broken designs. |
| 13:11.21 | SpeedEvil | But that doesn't help if you've just broken your brothers laptop, who is Considerably Larger Than You. :) |
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| 14:05.47 | Pander | hi all |
| 14:06.19 | Pander | more people experienceing that opkg upgrade for unstable is resulting a bit in a mess (incorrect icons, phone icons missing, etc) |
| 14:06.21 | Pander | ? |
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| 14:20.04 | dos1 | Pander: reflash. and in future - read maillist |
| 14:22.30 | Pander | dos1, thanks. I have to catch up with a lot of the mailinglist. assumed (wrong) it was still possible. |
| 14:23.01 | dos1 | Pander: it is already fixed, but you had to do "opkg install opkg libopkg0" before upgrade |
| 14:24.35 | Pander | dos1: OK, well I still have the connection open, lets see if it will work. I'll keep you updated |
| 14:24.53 | Pander | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.55 | Pander | Package opkg (0.1.6+svnr215-r3) installed in root is up to date. |
| 14:24.57 | Pander | Package libopkg0 (0.1.6+svnr215-r3) installed in root is up to date. |
| 14:26.29 | Pander | nope :( Upgrading frameworkd-config-shr-dev -> ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for frameworkd-config-shr-dev: frameworkd-config-shr |
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| 14:27.28 | Pander | same as before. strange this is that I have reflashed it yesterday. when was this exactly fixed? because I think reflash -> opkg upgrad one day later still fails is not a good sign |
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| 14:55.41 | Pander | hmm, nope, did not work :S reflash will do the trick, bye |
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| 15:46.39 | argiris | I don't have wifi button at settings.How I disable it? |
| 15:50.13 | tig| | argiris: which distro are you using? |
| 15:50.30 | argiris | om2008.8 |
| 15:51.56 | argiris | (asu) <tig|> |
| 15:53.29 | tig| | argiris: erm no idea on ASU not used it in years, I thought it was under Settings though |
| 15:55.33 | argiris | <tig|> Can I disable it from console? |
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| 16:13.10 | pieterc | whew, i like litePhone a lot |
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| 16:51.29 | Slaxxer | wassup |
| 16:51.50 | Slaxxer | Doc? |
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| 17:08.22 | panicking | PaulFertser, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od9QHev8kp4 |
| 17:09.24 | panicking | PaulFertser, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr821OgnvYc |
| 17:09.36 | panicking | Android vs Shr :) |
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| 17:10.09 | Slaxxer | android keyboard is better |
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| 17:17.34 | PaulFertser | panicking: do you want to draw me to the dark side? ;) |
| 17:18.08 | panicking | No, I prefer you on the other side :) |
| 17:18.13 | panicking | I would like to show |
| 17:18.27 | panicking | that the two version are good |
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| 17:28.30 | fredrin | Spotify on the Neo? http://despotify.se/ |
| 17:29.18 | fredrin | i guess GPRS is to weak, but usable with wifi |
| 17:29.21 | fredrin | ? |
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| 17:52.21 | blindcoder | hmm, instant, simple and free. and the only option I get is the 10 EUR/month subscription :/ |
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| 17:59.20 | Digital_Pioneer | So my GPS is dead in SHR-U. I saw some discussion about that on the ML, but I haven't seen what looks like a solution yet. Anyone here know a fix? |
| 18:00.05 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: unfortunately, not. |
| 18:00.12 | Digital_Pioneer | :( |
| 18:00.15 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: if you have the same problem as dos1 of course. |
| 18:00.37 | dos1 | PaulFertser, Digital_Pioneer: GPS worked to me today |
| 18:00.43 | dos1 | but i still don't know why ;x |
| 18:00.43 | Digital_Pioneer | GPS has always been my constant! My rock of strength! My ebenezer! It's always worked when GSM and bluetooth came crashing down around me! |
| 18:00.45 | Digital_Pioneer | :P |
| 18:00.48 | PaulFertser | dos1: but that's hardly a solution, right? |
| 18:01.09 | dos1 | PaulFertser: well, i was playing with serial port configuration |
| 18:01.17 | dos1 | PaulFertser: i gave up and set it as "sane" |
| 18:01.27 | dos1 | PaulFertser: then "cat /dev/ttySAC1" worked |
| 18:01.32 | dos1 | PaulFertser: but ogpsd still doesn't |
| 18:01.44 | dos1 | PaulFertser: but i left it running |
| 18:01.45 | Digital_Pioneer | Euuughh... My dmesg is flooded with "[36816.685000] ar6000_wow interrupt" |
| 18:01.58 | dos1 | PaulFertser: after about hour i saw gps fix in logs and i was suprised :P |
| 18:02.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Hundreds of them, it's the entire dmesg output... |
| 18:02.08 | dos1 | s/hour/2 hours/ |
| 18:02.11 | PaulFertser | dos1: magic everywhere |
| 18:02.32 | Digital_Pioneer | Blah! My phone just suspended on my SSH connection. |
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| 18:07.47 | Digital_Pioneer | I daresay this thing has gotten rather unstable about charging lately... It likes to forget it's plugged in and suspend anymore. |
| 18:07.59 | Digital_Pioneer | I have to restart ophonekitd and frameworkd to fix it. |
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| 18:33.12 | PaulFertser | lindi_: whom do you ask to revert the api? And why don't you want for the 2.6.31? |
| 18:35.49 | PBeck | hi |
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| 18:37.44 | abhiab9 | Hi room |
| 18:38.20 | abhiab9 | guys i need some help here |
| 18:41.25 | abhiab9 | I have managed to start ssh but it asks for password? what do i do? |
| 18:41.31 | abhiab9 | am on jaunty |
| 18:43.15 | PaulFertser | abhiab9: default password is blank. |
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| 18:48.40 | abhiab9 | @ paul :aint working |
| 18:49.22 | abhiab9 | really silly but i got to ask; blank as in <i press enter and move on> or |
| 18:49.39 | abhiab9 | shall i type "blank" |
| 18:49.56 | PaulFertser | abhiab9: press enter |
| 18:50.07 | PaulFertser | abhiab9: if it doesn't work it means you're connecting to some other machine, not your FR. |
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| 18:50.43 | abhiab9 | it is free runner with "FYP" stack |
| 18:52.23 | PaulFertser | abhiab9: check your rooting, addresses etc. Usual stuff. |
| 18:53.23 | abhiab9 | thanks....will try |
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| 19:04.39 | abhiab9 | @paul:the thing is ping is working, I even changed the root password using passwd |
| 19:04.41 | abhiab9 | ; still not working |
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| 19:06.56 | PaulFertser | abhiab9: fyi the way you highlight me is not working, i miss the notification |
| 19:07.15 | PaulFertser | abhiab9: i tell you most probably you're connecting to some other *nix machine, not to your FR. |
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| 19:07.23 | sybren | hi folks! |
| 19:07.23 | PaulFertser | abhiab9: no wonder you can ping it. |
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| 19:08.06 | sybren | I'm running SHR Unstable on my Freerunner. frameworkd uses a continuous 7-15% CPU while the phone is doing nothing at all. Is this normal? |
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| 19:09.54 | techiem2-r | afternoon (or whatever) |
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| 19:13.58 | techiem2-r | anyone get gpsdrive to play nice with fso-gpsd? Or is gpsdrive just broken at the moment? |
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| 19:15.32 | PaulFertser | techiem2-r: you know that fso-gpsd is not a real gpsd, just an emulation? Probably gpsdrive doesn't like some aspect of it. |
| 19:17.44 | PaulFertser | lindi_: hey |
| 19:17.47 | techiem2-r | that was my guess |
| 19:18.06 | techiem2-r | cuz firing up tango on my laptop connected to it on the fr fine |
| 19:18.20 | techiem2-r | gpsdrive says it's connected, but won't get any gps data |
| 19:19.29 | techiem2-r | roadmap won't even talk to it cuz it's not reporting at gpsd 2.21 or higher |
| 19:19.33 | techiem2-r | roadnav* |
| 19:19.41 | PaulFertser | lindi_: can you please explain me why the linux kernel devs are not concerned with including code from microsoft? Not because the code sucks even more than android's but because microsoft just showed the intention to fuck everybody using "patented technology" and accepting code from MS is the fastest way to get "patented technology" mainline and deployed. To give MS more chances to screw fuckers like TomTom. Why are not they concerned, am i missing |
| 19:19.47 | PaulFertser | ... something? |
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| 19:23.30 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: It's worse than that actually.. |
| 19:23.42 | johnsu01 | hm, the post that I was going to show you is down atm |
| 19:24.16 | johnsu01 | but the thesis is that the right answer here is to make Microsoft distribute their own code, because as soon as they start distributing the kernel, they are granting the implied patent license in GPL2 |
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| 19:25.22 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: how come? I thought GPL2 doesn't have enough to guarantee that "patents" are not used to attack. |
| 19:26.09 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: v2, " Finally, any free program is threatened constantly by software patents. We wish to avoid the danger that redistributors of a free program will individually obtain patent licenses, in effect making the program proprietary. To prevent this, we have made it clear that any patent must be licensed for everyone's free use or not licensed at all. " |
| 19:26.51 | johnsu01 | (and see Sec 7) |
| 19:27.28 | johnsu01 | v3 has stronger protections, but v2 has those |
| 19:27.54 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: i can't see how v2's text (not preface) actually helps this. |
| 19:29.40 | johnsu01 | PaulFertser: http://hackervisions.org/?p=439 (lawyer @ SFLC) |
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| 19:30.37 | johnsu01 | if you give a license to someone, you are giving that license to everyone to the extent that they need that license to redistribute the code with the GPL's permissions |
| 19:32.19 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: i wonder why Linus can call Alan Cox to be "full of crap" etc but he didn't comment on TomTom vs MS and stupid patent issue at all. |
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| 19:33.50 | SpeedEvil | LINL |
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| 19:34.58 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: what does that mean? |
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| 19:36.27 | SpeedEvil | Linus Is Not a Lawyer. |
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| 19:37.58 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: so? He has an opinion for sure. He can easily use all that rude words but afraid to say something about unacceptable ms behaviour :( |
| 19:38.24 | SpeedEvil | <conspiracy>he's been bought off. |
| 19:38.35 | PaulFertser | What's the real reason then? |
| 19:40.04 | PaulFertser | johnsu01: so, your link basically proves that kernel folks _must_ be concerned. And yet i see discussion about typedefs, LPCSTR etc... |
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