| 00:05.36 | ndnihil | bluetoothd[5512]: No agent available for 0 request |
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| 00:08.25 | ndnihil | no hcid |
| 00:08.42 | lindi_ | ndnihil: it's deprecated ;) |
| 00:08.53 | ndnihil | replaced by? |
| 00:08.54 | lindi_ | ndnihil: be happy, they have a shiny new framework |
| 00:09.19 | ndnihil | so there's no more pin helper? |
| 00:09.30 | lindi_ | ndnihil: bluetoothd |
| 00:09.30 | ndnihil | that's what I use on my workstation and laptop |
| 00:09.37 | lindi_ | ndnihil: pin helper? |
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| 00:09.56 | ndnihil | pin_helper /usr/bin/bluez-pin; |
| 00:10.16 | ndnihil | handles prompting you for one time pin |
| 00:10.18 | lindi_ | ndnihil: no |
| 00:11.09 | Kagee | then how do one set the pin ? |
| 00:11.16 | ndnihil | my question exactly :) |
| 00:11.41 | lindi_ | Kagee: you just register an agent that will handle it |
| 00:11.54 | Kagee | using dbus? |
| 00:12.12 | daniel32708 | Hello people! I finally got my A6-openmoko. My PC is an ubuntu machine...and the phone comes with os2007, i wanna flash in 2008, is there a page u can recommend me? i am newbb but i would aprreciate any help u guys can give me. thx! |
| 00:12.27 | lindi_ | Kagee: yep |
| 00:12.35 | ndnihil | Kagee: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 00:12.52 | Kagee | so - to pair the phone, you have to write a whole application? |
| 00:13.08 | lindi_ | Kagee: yep, refreshing, isn't it? ;) |
| 00:13.19 | ndnihil | shakes his head |
| 00:13.31 | lindi_ | Kagee: (sorry, it's been a long day) |
| 00:13.31 | SpeedEvil | Isn't dbus-isation wonderful! |
| 00:13.38 | SpeedEvil | It makes it _so_ much simpler. |
| 00:13.41 | ndnihil | stabs dbus |
| 00:14.11 | SpeedEvil | especially on stuff without resources to run dbus. |
| 00:14.17 | Kagee | stabs dbus repeatedly |
| 00:14.19 | lindi_ | Kagee: you can use bluez-gnome :) |
| 00:15.05 | lindi_ | Kagee: or you can abuse the example program if your distro packages it. in debian I use sudo sh -c 'echo 0000 | /usr/share/doc/bluez/examples/simple-agent hci0 00:02:76:D0:D6:F9' |
| 00:15.38 | lindi_ | Kagee: be positive. don't stab dbus or even bluez4. start writing a simple tool to do this and get distros include it |
| 00:15.48 | lindi_ | Kagee: you can get famous pretty easily :) |
| 00:16.00 | Kagee | i don't doubt it |
| 00:16.02 | SpeedEvil | You can also get famous for stabbing people. |
| 00:16.13 | Kagee | i don't doubt that either |
| 00:16.27 | Kagee | i hope bluez4-doc has simple-agent .... |
| 00:16.50 | lindi_ | Kagee: it's an example, you are not really supposed to package it |
| 00:16.56 | daniel32708 | thx |
| 00:17.16 | lindi_ | anyways, i need to sleep. need to wake early tomorrow. many days of debconf still |
| 00:17.22 | Kagee | lindi_, could you post the source somwhere, or post i link where u can find it? |
| 00:17.41 | lindi_ | Kagee: packages.debian.org and search for bluez4 and then download the source |
| 00:17.54 | Kagee | thanks |
| 00:20.05 | ndnihil | http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/PasskeyAgent |
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| 00:24.11 | ndnihil | but it appears that is old |
| 00:24.17 | ndnihil | dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.bluez was not provided by any .service files |
| 00:26.10 | Kagee | ndnihil, can you run «opkg list_installed | grep python-pybluez» ? |
| 00:26.11 | ndnihil | and nothing bluez'ish is showing up in mdbus -s |
| 00:26.19 | ndnihil | yeah, I just installed it manually |
| 00:26.32 | ndnihil | s/manually/recently/ |
| 00:26.35 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 00:26.44 | Kagee | yeah - but i only started getting the ServiceUnknown *after* i installed that package :-S |
| 00:27.52 | ndnihil | ugh, this is stupid, why did they have to change something that worked fine |
| 00:29.36 | ndnihil | hrm, restarting bluetoothd provided org.bluez |
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| 00:31.12 | Kagee | with python-pybluez isntalled? |
| 00:31.17 | ndnihil | yup |
| 00:31.24 | ndnihil | ls |
| 00:31.25 | ndnihil | er |
| 00:34.54 | Kagee | dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "RegisterDefaultPasskeyAgent" with signature "s" on interface "org.bluez.Security" doesn't exist |
| 00:35.14 | ndnihil | yup |
| 00:35.36 | Kagee | that is alo a message i'm familliar with :-) |
| 00:35.39 | Kagee | *also |
| 00:35.49 | ndnihil | so you have a fix then? :) |
| 00:36.30 | Kagee | lets se ... i joined #openmoko about when i started to have trouble with bluetooth and my neo.... |
| 00:36.42 | ndnihil | org.bluez.Security is missing in my case |
| 00:36.45 | Kagee | that's 4,5 hours ago |
| 00:37.13 | Kagee | the problem is, if you try this http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/NetworkConnections |
| 00:37.30 | Kagee | you get the same error, but about ActivateService |
| 00:37.30 | ndnihil | I was bored and decided to set things up so I could send files between my motorola and the gta02 |
| 00:37.40 | Kagee | so something is *wrong* |
| 00:38.17 | ndnihil | what does: mdbus -s org.bluez show on yours? |
| 00:39.18 | Kagee | lots of "Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged" |
| 00:39.28 | ndnihil | yeah me too |
| 00:39.31 | ndnihil | 2> /dev/null |
| 00:39.33 | ndnihil | will clear it up |
| 00:40.58 | Kagee | /, /org, /org/bluez, /org/bluez/2683, /org/bluez/2683/any, /org/bluez/2683/hci0, /org/bluez/test |
| 00:41.05 | ndnihil | I did manage to get a wiimote and the gta02 talking |
| 00:41.10 | ndnihil | yep, same as I get |
| 00:41.15 | Kagee | what distro ? |
| 00:41.19 | ndnihil | shr-unstable |
| 00:41.32 | Kagee | iæm running 2009.something (5 i think) |
| 00:42.02 | Kagee | *i'm (getting tired :-P) |
| 00:42.43 | ndnihil | I'm getting annoyed |
| 00:43.23 | Kagee | i got annoyed 2 hours ago, now i'm in the cool lagoon on the other side of angry :-P |
| 00:46.41 | ndnihil | http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/Bonding |
| 00:46.50 | ndnihil | scroll down to "manually insert a pin" |
| 00:46.53 | ndnihil | trying that now |
| 00:48.12 | Kagee | stabs bluez some more |
| 00:50.20 | ndnihil | not taking the pin |
| 00:50.32 | Kagee | hmm, i see that the directory exists.... |
| 00:50.38 | Kagee | and there are files there :-s |
| 00:51.23 | Kagee | Method "CreateBonding" with signature "s" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist |
| 00:51.37 | Kagee | something must be wrong with the dbus/python setup :-S |
| 00:52.10 | ndnihil | yes, very wrong |
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| 00:55.11 | Kagee | can you see the phone on the oter device? (i'm trying to connect to my pc) |
| 00:55.32 | ndnihil | I trying to pair a motorola w755 with it |
| 00:55.50 | ndnihil | I get as far as it asking me the pin |
| 00:55.59 | ndnihil | but without a way to set up a pin on the FR |
| 00:56.05 | ndnihil | it wont bond |
| 00:56.32 | ndnihil | because org.bluez is missing most of its relevant methods |
| 00:57.23 | Kagee | so, the question/problem is, why is org.bluez is missing most of its relevant methods ? |
| 00:57.40 | ndnihil | because dbus is complete shit |
| 00:58.03 | ndnihil | I want a simple text config file |
| 00:58.58 | ndnihil | dbus comes off like something designed by M$ |
| 00:59.11 | Kagee | hello.... |
| 00:59.22 | Kagee | mdbus -s org.bluez /org/bluez/2683/hci0 |
| 01:00.13 | ndnihil | hrm |
| 01:01.12 | ndnihil | why the fuck did they stick the PID in there? |
| 01:05.17 | Kagee | i get signals from org.bluez.Adapter.DeviceFound |
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| 01:09.35 | Kagee | CreateBonding(string address) states that "If no connection to the remote device exists, a low-level ACL connection must be created." |
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| 01:10.04 | ndnihil | I'm still getting dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "RegisterDefaultPasskeyAgent" with signature "s" on interface "org.bluez.Security" doesn't exist |
| 01:10.19 | ndnihil | even though it's specified with PID |
| 01:10.20 | ndnihil | adapter = bus.get_object('org.bluez', '/org/bluez/1831/hci0') |
| 01:12.13 | Kagee | yes, but if you inspect it woth mdbus |
| 01:12.19 | Kagee | you that it's not there |
| 01:12.44 | ndnihil | so it isn't |
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| 01:20.41 | Kagee | ndnihil, libbluetooth2 is version 3.33, while bluez4 -is version 4.39 on my neo |
| 01:20.55 | Kagee | while on my ubuntuinstallation, the version numbers match :-S |
| 01:21.24 | Kagee | it's libbluetooth3 on ubuntu, btw |
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| 01:28.56 | ndnihil | bluez4 - 4.39-r2, libbluetooth2 - 3.33-r0 |
| 01:29.01 | ndnihil | same here |
| 01:29.30 | ndnihil | let's see how badly opkg breaks it even further |
| 01:29.38 | ndnihil | oh, both up to date |
| 01:29.47 | Kagee | that's ood :-S |
| 01:30.21 | Kagee | ubuntu has 4.32, but it has libbluetooth3 at the same version |
| 01:30.37 | Kagee | could it be a package mismatch ? |
| 01:32.29 | ndnihil | they match on the debian sarge workstation |
| 01:32.33 | ndnihil | checking my laptop now |
| 01:32.51 | ndnihil | match there too |
| 01:33.30 | Kagee | :-S |
| 01:33.46 | ndnihil | checking the usual repositories for matching package |
| 01:33.48 | ndnihil | :) |
| 01:36.28 | ndnihil | hrm |
| 01:36.36 | ndnihil | angstrom has differing versions |
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| 01:36.47 | Kagee | what versions? |
| 01:37.00 | ndnihil | 3.36/4.35 |
| 01:38.38 | ndnihil | trying their gnome-bluetooth package |
| 01:39.23 | ndnihil | broken deps out the ass |
| 01:40.17 | Kagee | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.18 | ndnihil | adds bluez developers and whoever chose python for the FR to the list of people to be drawn and quartered |
| 01:40.46 | Kagee | symlinks ndnihil's list |
| 01:46.06 | ndnihil | basic debian install, lightweight WM (no full-blown desktop environment needed), and perl+gtk |
| 01:46.36 | ndnihil | even C+gtk |
| 01:48.13 | Kagee | fso-framework? |
| 01:48.37 | ndnihil | not even sure I'd bother with that, but I'd only end up duplicating at least half of it |
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| 01:49.46 | ndnihil | I'd definitely focus on lightweight and resource conservation |
| 01:50.02 | ndnihil | instead of treating it like it's a laptop |
| 01:50.07 | Kagee | me too |
| 01:50.48 | ndnihil | I even lied the other day |
| 01:50.52 | ndnihil | to save face |
| 01:51.03 | ndnihil | I was at best buy looking for better earphones |
| 01:51.12 | ndnihil | and let the sales chick play with it |
| 01:51.22 | ndnihil | first thing she said was "wow this is slow" |
| 01:51.42 | ndnihil | and I was like "yeah, I've got it set up for development, so it's not running as well as it normally would" |
| 01:51.49 | Kagee | lol |
| 01:52.05 | Kagee | i've probably said the same sometime :) |
| 01:52.20 | ndnihil | even with its limited resources |
| 01:52.30 | ndnihil | you could have iphone-like response |
| 01:52.33 | ndnihil | smooth scrolling |
| 01:52.50 | ndnihil | no "loading" burn-in on the screen |
| 01:53.05 | jjwc | Is there any reason why Debian is so preferred? I've been an Arch Linux user for quite some time and while there is no ARM port that I know of, its flexibility and extreme lightweighted-ness makes it a really good candidate |
| 01:53.26 | ndnihil | debians package manager is what does it for me |
| 01:53.41 | ndnihil | for years and years I was a slackware devotee |
| 01:53.44 | jjwc | Having tried both, I hate the Debian package manager. |
| 01:53.50 | ndnihil | then tried suse for a while |
| 01:53.53 | jjwc | But that's just personal preference I guess :) |
| 01:53.54 | ndnihil | back to slack |
| 01:54.15 | ndnihil | had tried all the major dists at one point |
| 01:54.18 | jjwc | It's stupidly easy to create packages for Arch's manager, pacman. |
| 01:54.23 | ndnihil | but somewhere along the line the debian folks fixed apt |
| 01:54.30 | ndnihil | and it went from sucking ass to brilliant |
| 01:56.16 | ndnihil | creating debian package is quite easy as well |
| 01:56.22 | ndnihil | packages |
| 01:56.38 | jjwc | The thing that's nice about Arch is that it installs next to nothing by default, so it's extremely lightweight. |
| 01:57.02 | jjwc | A quick look at htop on my phone reveals a ton of services that seem to bog the phone down. |
| 01:57.23 | ndnihil | you mean like enlightenment? and x-glamo? :) |
| 01:57.43 | ndnihil | (no offense raster) |
| 01:59.12 | ndnihil | frameworkd isn't exactly small footprint either |
| 01:59.52 | jjwc | True. |
| 01:59.52 | ndnihil | q |
| 02:00.01 | NicolasD | But they want to rewrite it in native code because of that |
| 02:00.40 | ndnihil | that should help, but it'll only address one of many problems |
| 02:02.33 | NicolasD | Sure, building a new phone with a 1gigH Cortex-A8 would help too |
| 02:02.53 | jjwc | Heheh |
| 02:03.01 | ndnihil | it would, but it's a lot less practical than making efficient usage of the existing hardware |
| 02:03.08 | SpeedEvil | We clearly need quadcore xeon. |
| 02:03.32 | NicolasD | An a huge car battery ! |
| 02:04.02 | ndnihil | yes, quadcore xeon, 4G of memory, and a built in projector with HD resolution |
| 02:04.34 | jjwc | And a 450AH battery to power it all |
| 02:04.54 | ndnihil | it might finish booting before the battery was drained :) |
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| 02:11.33 | jjwc | Oh dear... I deleted the password from the Mokonnect wifi dialog and now I can't tap to focus the box again |
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| 02:45.16 | Slaxxer | how flimsey is the palm pre anyway? |
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| 02:59.25 | jjwc | I'm not sure why Mokonnect keeps failing to connect to my WiFi AP... I can see it just fine with iwlist |
| 03:02.19 | jjwc | Connecting manually with iwconfig/wpa_supplicant/udhcpc works fine too |
| 03:14.04 | ndnihil | you got wpa to work? |
| 03:14.14 | ndnihil | only been able to connect to open APs here |
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| 05:47.37 | beer__ | is there any news about a new free phone? |
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| 05:58.58 | beer__ | has gta02 A7 fixed all known hardwareproblems that has been with the FR? |
| 05:59.43 | rooly1 | hmm...there is the whole 'cant charge if not on' thing |
| 05:59.48 | PaulFertser | beer__: no |
| 05:59.56 | PaulFertser | rooly1: it's by design |
| 06:00.00 | rooly1 | PaulFertser: i know |
| 06:00.23 | PaulFertser | rooly1: the battery shouldn't be charged if not controlled. I can't understand why some people keep calling it a disadvantage or whatever. |
| 06:01.06 | rooly1 | PaulFertser: i'm only recognizing that a full bootup maybe isn't necessary just to charge the battery |
| 06:01.27 | PaulFertser | rooly1: full/partial bootup is software issue. |
| 06:01.40 | rooly1 | its a bootloader issue |
| 06:02.01 | rooly1 | stupid internet |
| 06:02.21 | PaulFertser | rooly1: no, i can't see why you want a bloated bootloader. Qi works just fine, boots the kernel. After that it's your decision what to do. |
| 06:03.40 | rooly | my point is the battery probably could have had a hardware charge controller so that it wouldn't have to perform any kind of boot |
| 06:03.47 | rooly | that's my opinion and i'm sticking to it |
| 06:03.55 | PaulFertser | rooly: but why do you need it at all? |
| 06:04.13 | rooly | you say the battery shouldn't be charged without control |
| 06:04.48 | rooly | the bootloader can't suck enough juice from the usb to acutally boot the device to start charging the battery |
| 06:04.56 | rooly | so charging itself is based on battery life |
| 06:05.09 | PaulFertser | rooly: do you have a serial console? |
| 06:05.18 | rooly | no |
| 06:05.51 | PaulFertser | rooly: Andy said that Qi does load and start the kernel in 100mA. |
| 06:07.34 | rooly | if the phone can boot with no battery installed, then qi has solved the hardware disadvantage |
| 06:07.35 | rooly | but, when i tried to do it yesterday |
| 06:07.35 | rooly | it didn't work |
| 06:08.02 | PaulFertser | rooly: it's the kernel that turns on something costly too early. If you had a debug board you could have debugged that. |
| 06:08.56 | rooly | iirc, qi starts up when power is applied to the usb. qi does a check to make sure the kernel can boot, if yes then it flashes a light |
| 06:09.00 | rooly | and continues booting |
| 06:09.44 | rooly | on my hardware, and maybe i'm the only one who this happens to, this first light does not occur |
| 06:10.20 | rooly | no light, no vibrate, no second light, no screen initialization, no boot at all |
| 06:10.42 | PaulFertser | rooly: Qi doesn't turn on LED or vibrator if it's low on power (judged by battery voltage). |
| 06:11.57 | rooly | you realize we are discussing/arguing on whether or not having a hardware-controlled charging circuit is a good design decision on a mobile device with possibility for full battery drain that is also known to not be particularly good at booting up without enough battery life to actually do so |
| 06:12.38 | PaulFertser | "also known to not be particularly good" -- software issue |
| 06:12.57 | rooly | ...whatever |
| 06:13.05 | PaulFertser | rooly: have you seen the FR schematics at least once? |
| 06:13.15 | PaulFertser | rooly: or read PCF50633 datasheet? |
| 06:13.21 | rooly | i'm not even discussing this anymore |
| 06:13.43 | PaulFertser | rooly: have you read PCF50633 datasheet or not? |
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| 06:13.54 | PaulFertser | FUck |
| 06:14.06 | doc|home | reality: some people hate it |
| 06:14.56 | PaulFertser | WTF did he left the channel? If he didn't, he'd realised that PCF50633 _is_ hardware-controlled charging circuit he claim to be absent :-/ Fuck. |
| 06:15.05 | doc|home | hehe |
| 06:18.30 | PaulFertser | doc|home: in fact i think Qi should enable charger circuit IIF it's connected to the wallcharger. But obviously having a "hardware-controlled charging circuit" doesn't help USB enumeration so i can't see how he sees it can help booting with fully discharged battery from PC. |
| 06:18.58 | doc|home | hehe |
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| 07:16.16 | ndnihil | WOOT |
| 07:16.20 | ndnihil | got that shit paired |
| 07:16.33 | ndnihil | where's that guy from earlier |
| 07:18.02 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: do you understand how to use PAN with bluez4? If yes, it'd be nice if you corrected the wiki. |
| 07:18.25 | ndnihil | not a clue, been struggling just to get the stupid thing to pair with my moto |
| 07:18.47 | lindi_ | ndnihil: me? |
| 07:19.02 | ndnihil | lindi: the guy with the name that started with K |
| 07:19.15 | ndnihil | cant remember what it was and my buffer is empty |
| 07:19.23 | tomcatek | ndnihil: You canalways explain how did You managed that |
| 07:19.26 | ndnihil | were you having pairing issues? |
| 07:19.30 | lindi_ | kagee? |
| 07:19.34 | ndnihil | kagee |
| 07:19.38 | ndnihil | yeah that's the one |
| 07:20.02 | ndnihil | http://tinycorelinux.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage%3Btopic=1414.0 |
| 07:20.13 | ndnihil | scroll down to the post by Juanito |
| 07:20.20 | ndnihil | the modified simple-agent script |
| 07:21.27 | lindi_ | ndnihil: i see many posts by juanito |
| 07:21.43 | ndnihil | there's just one with script source posted no? |
| 07:21.44 | lindi_ | ndnihil: why put the pin in the source? |
| 07:22.07 | ndnihil | *shrug*, dont know why he did it, but he got the right method in there, and that's what matters |
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| 07:22.42 | ndnihil | the bluez wiki is wrong for this version of bluez |
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| 07:23.37 | ndnihil | all the other examples I found used the org.bluez.Security/org.bluez.PasskeyAgent method |
| 07:23.43 | ndnihil | which are not available in this version |
| 07:24.03 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: isn't simple-agent script that comes with bluez4 sources enough? |
| 07:24.20 | ndnihil | the one I found used the wrong method |
| 07:24.50 | lindi_ | ndnihil: simple-agent does not use PasskeyAgent |
| 07:25.03 | ndnihil | new one? |
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| 07:25.09 | ndnihil | perhaps I found an older one |
| 07:25.12 | lindi_ | ndnihil: the one from debian |
| 07:25.16 | lindi_ | ndnihil: how do I get Juanito's version? |
| 07:25.20 | ndnihil | ah, I'm using SHR |
| 07:25.28 | ndnihil | I just copy&paste'd it |
| 07:25.39 | lindi_ | ndnihil: that'll break whitespace |
| 07:25.44 | lindi_ | and make diffing impossible |
| 07:26.26 | ndnihil | even via cat? |
| 07:26.38 | ndnihil | I get broken whitespace when pasting into vi |
| 07:26.41 | ndnihil | but never with cat |
| 07:26.49 | ndnihil | cat > file |
| 07:26.52 | ndnihil | <paste> |
| 07:26.53 | ndnihil | ^D |
| 07:26.57 | lindi_ | ndnihil: also my browser does not support copy&paste :) |
| 07:27.09 | ndnihil | I can stick it up for you real quick |
| 07:27.36 | PaulFertser | For those who wants to use PAN, here's some valueable info: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278472#add_comment |
| 07:31.05 | ndnihil | http://nihil.rchomepage.com/misc/moko/btpass-simpleagentmod.py |
| 07:33.09 | ndnihil | btw, what browser doesn't support c&p? |
| 07:33.20 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: looks pretty much the same as the one in the sources |
| 07:33.31 | ndnihil | hrm, I guess I just found an old one |
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| 08:34.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | no usb networking. wonder whats at fult this time :/ |
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| 09:00.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | mmm. this SHR is annoying me a bit |
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| 09:19.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | yay, its mostly doing what i want. |
| 09:19.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | feels more positive about life |
| 09:20.19 | ndnihil | what is/was is not doing? |
| 09:21.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | was not allowing me to config usb networking (solution is do it in a terminal), and was not pulling a dhcp lease on wifi (solution, fix usb networking) |
| 09:21.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | there was a few minor annoyances around those two items :) |
| 09:21.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | "was not" should probably read "mokonnect would not" |
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| 09:22.25 | ndnihil | let me guess, you had USB working, then you tried wifi, it dropped USB, and wouldn't come back up? |
| 09:23.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh yeah, dropbear wasnt running by default (makes sense, just didnt occur to me that other peole might not want an sshd running) |
| 09:23.20 | ndnihil | ? |
| 09:23.26 | ndnihil | dropbear runs by default on my shr |
| 09:23.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | no, i didnt have usb networking, but it might also have been my laptop playing silly buggers instead of het FRs fault |
| 09:23.30 | ndnihil | you using testing or unstable? |
| 09:23.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. i had to stop and start it before i could connect |
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| 09:23.50 | ndnihil | it only listens on USB by default |
| 09:23.55 | ndnihil | I think you have to tell it to listen on wifi |
| 09:24.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm connecting over usb, so thats ok |
| 09:24.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | not sure how to work out if its stable or testing |
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| 09:24.42 | ndnihil | you had to grab the kernel and rootfs from one of the repositories, don't remember which? |
| 09:24.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah, unstable (downloading from shr-unstable repos) |
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| 09:25.19 | ndnihil | I'm running unstable as well, but from earlier in the month |
| 09:26.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | my rootfs is dated 20090721 |
| 09:26.27 | ndnihil | 20090703 here |
| 09:26.39 | ndnihil | most everything works pretty well |
| 09:26.47 | ndnihil | except wifi+wpa |
| 09:26.57 | ndnihil | but that could be my AP |
| 09:27.10 | ndnihil | never gotten it to work with my AP on any dist |
| 09:27.16 | ndnihil | laptop connects fine |
| 09:27.20 | ndnihil | just not the FR |
| 09:27.34 | tomcatek | ndnihil: use mofi, not mokonnect |
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| 09:27.46 | ndnihil | I tried mofi |
| 09:28.04 | ndnihil | in fact I've never even heard of mokonnect |
| 09:28.14 | ndnihil | also tried manually |
| 09:29.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm... I think i crashed it. fair effort |
| 09:29.10 | tomcatek | mokonnect id default in SHR |
| 09:29.37 | ndnihil | er, since when? |
| 09:29.47 | ndnihil | I've never seen anything but mofi in it |
| 09:29.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | its default on my image |
| 09:30.08 | ndnihil | must be a new thing |
| 09:30.17 | tomcatek | on my also |
| 09:30.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | takes the crash as a hint and goes afk for a bit. catch you both later |
| 09:30.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks for the feedback on what should/shouldnt be happening with the SHR himage |
| 09:30.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | *image |
| 09:32.52 | RamsesFSFE | re |
| 09:33.45 | RamsesFSFE | is there any way to find out, why my neovento doesn't detect the wifi interface at boot? I have to reload the module ar6000 three or four times before it gets detected |
| 09:34.58 | tomcatek | dmesg says anything? |
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| 09:38.01 | PaulFertser | RamsesFSFE: probably because FSO turns off everything on startup and doesn't enable until somebody "requests the resource"? |
| 09:40.14 | RamsesFSFE | tomcatek nothing special |
| 09:40.34 | RamsesFSFE | PaulFertser, how can I fix this? |
| 09:40.54 | PaulFertser | RamsesFSFE: it's not a bug, what i described is a desired behaviour |
| 09:41.29 | PaulFertser | RamsesFSFE: you can simply wrap wpa_supplicant invocation in "fsoraw -r WiFi" |
| 09:41.47 | PaulFertser | RamsesFSFE: and if your distro lacks fsoraw, bug your irresponsible forum buddies. |
| 09:46.58 | RamsesFSFE | hm |
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| 09:49.01 | RamsesFSFE | PaulFertser, thanks. Another question: Where do I find the MAC address of the wifi? |
| 09:49.42 | PaulFertser | RamsesFSFE: i think ifconfig eth0 should provide it |
| 09:50.12 | RamsesFSFE | ahbritto_, there it is, thanks |
| 09:51.54 | RamsesFSFE | um, not ahbritto_ but ah ;-) |
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| 10:12.28 | tobii_ | Wonka: ping |
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| 10:22.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | cute. its OOMing when i try and upgrade |
| 10:23.12 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: opkg sucks, that's true :( |
| 10:23.18 | PaulFertser | Kamping_Kaiser: disable X, add swap... |
| 10:23.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | PaulFertser: :/ guess thats the only option |
| 10:24.32 | tomcatek | 36for me it works without disabling X |
| 10:24.52 | tomcatek | just some like 70 megs od swap |
| 10:25.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | nfs host?? wth is that diong in my fstab |
| 10:27.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | makes a swap file |
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| 10:39.04 | emmentaler | hi |
| 10:39.09 | tomcatek | hi |
| 10:39.18 | emmentaler | is the c-devel channel no more? |
| 10:39.25 | emmentaler | or am I just blind.. |
| 10:40.01 | tobii_ | emmentaler: #openmoko-cdevel |
| 10:40.50 | emmentaler | tobii_: ok.. thanks .. the channel exists but is not in my "channel list" .. weird.. |
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| 10:52.02 | Wonka | tobii_: pong |
| 10:52.20 | Wonka | tobii_: will be @tp tomorrow from about 19h on |
| 10:54.50 | tobii_ | Wonka: ok i will be there |
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| 11:47.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | looks like a few mb are enough to get me over the line. i might cut my swap file down to 32mb (rather then 128). woo! |
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| 12:22.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyone else find SHR apps crash a lot? |
| 12:23.05 | tomcatek | nope |
| 12:23.17 | samgee | it happens |
| 12:23.24 | samgee | but usually just after the first boot |
| 12:23.35 | samgee | when you reboot it might be better |
| 12:24.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'll try rebooting it again. |
| 12:25.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | i note that when things crashh the log is no help for debugging, so i was wondering if it was a rare thing |
| 12:26.29 | samgee | usefulness of log depends on the app |
| 12:26.42 | samgee | which app(s) are you having trouble with? |
| 12:27.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | i've had a few bomb out, but that was before upgrading (just completed). i'm about to do a click through to see what does/doesnt crash now. settings app died post upgrade, but its only done it once to date. |
| 12:28.15 | samgee | shr-testing? |
| 12:28.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | shr-unstable |
| 12:29.06 | samgee | latest unstable didn't work for me |
| 12:29.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | mines from the 21st |
| 12:29.45 | samgee | no crashes, but doesn't load kernel modules and no sound when calling |
| 12:29.55 | samgee | yep, that one |
| 12:30.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | tangogps is working, so that is my #1 requirement filled. |
| 12:30.19 | samgee | you get a signal? |
| 12:30.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | GSM or GPS? |
| 12:30.46 | samgee | gps |
| 12:30.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah, heaps of satalites |
| 12:31.26 | samgee | weird, although I didn't really test that |
| 12:31.37 | samgee | do you have wifi or usb networking? |
| 12:31.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | taking someone home |
| 12:31.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | usb networking works, wifi didnt get a dhcp lease and i didnt bother to try it again |
| 12:32.12 | samgee | :s |
| 12:32.26 | samgee | what did I do wrong then? |
| 12:32.37 | samgee | I'll try it again |
| 12:32.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | i should say, 'usb networking worked before the upgrade, i've not tried post upgrade' |
| 12:33.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | still works, just tested |
| 12:33.57 | samgee | ok |
| 12:34.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk |
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| 13:11.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | shame, vagalume is not removable, as task-shr-gtk depends on it. *stab* |
| 13:12.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | samgee: re your question before, contacts, messages, and mplayer all 'dont work', first two crash, last one exits without any message at all |
| 13:12.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/crash/segfault |
| 13:13.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | stops experimenting and goes to sleep |
| 13:13.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | 'night all |
| 13:19.06 | PaulFertser | Anyone wants to analise battery charge and discharge data with an aim to create a dumb battery monitoring driver (mandotory for gta01, optional for gta02)? |
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| 13:24.00 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean by analyse? |
| 13:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: what you are dreaming of? ;-) |
| 13:28.17 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i'm not satisfied with the results i got with the approximation i used. |
| 13:28.25 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: let me show you the log. |
| 13:29.03 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: I don't know, just wanted some saner dumb battery driver than we have now. The logs will show the results. |
| 13:30.36 | PaulFertser | Also, the voltage readings are a bit off: when bq27000 said it was 3.769, my DMM -- 3.732, pcf50633 said it's 3.120 (current was about ~400mA discharging). Unfortunately, i can't provide any more DMM data, i'd need to prepare a real testbench to do that. I think bq27000 are accurate enough. |
| 13:31.40 | SpeedEvil | I'd probably trust the battery meter over the pcf |
| 13:31.49 | SpeedEvil | IIRC it's ADC isn't very well specified |
| 13:31.59 | SpeedEvil | I'd have to actually read the spec sheet though. |
| 13:32.36 | SpeedEvil | Also - I recall a fair amount of noise - you are oversampling? |
| 13:34.36 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: pcf50633 has a special setting, i activated averaging of 16 samples. |
| 13:35.08 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 13:37.45 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: DocScrutinizer: https://paulfertser.is-a-geek.org/files/battery there're discharge log (charge is still ongoing), 2 approx. tables (the uncommented one is used in the logs), curve based on Doc's battery log. |
| 13:39.27 | PaulFertser | BTW, for charging readings are off in a completely different way, i think we should probably neglect charging altogether, as it's not what really matters for end-user. |
| 13:42.06 | SpeedEvil | warms up soldering iron, and searches for neo. |
| 13:42.57 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: why don't you start GNU Octave to process the logs instead? ;) |
| 13:43.20 | SpeedEvil | You have asked Firefox to connect |
| 13:43.21 | SpeedEvil | securely to paulfertser.is-a-geek.org, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure. |
| 13:43.23 | SpeedEvil | Oh noes! |
| 13:43.38 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: you probably lack CACert root certificate. |
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| 13:44.46 | SpeedEvil | Should your md5 fingerprint of your cert end in 62:2F? :) |
| 13:45.42 | SpeedEvil | As more data is better - basically |
| 13:45.42 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: yes |
| 13:45.42 | PaulFertser | SHA-1 ends with 47:C9 |
| 13:46.16 | PaulFertser | The reason i use https now is that my ISP filters incoming connections to 80 "for my own security" :E |
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| 13:49.37 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 13:50.49 | SpeedEvil | Is bqcapacity really a charge counter? |
| 13:51.31 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: unfortunately my ISP is guilty of another probably even more sinful violation: it silently drops packets with size more than 1496 and DF set. No corresponding icmp response :( |
| 13:52.05 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: the capacity value from bq chip is supposed to take into account not only charge but also battery aging, current and temperature. |
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| 13:59.42 | SpeedEvil | it's what - discharged uAh? |
| 14:04.39 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: percentage left |
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| 14:12.57 | SpeedEvil | Ah - I'd misread the columns - date/time, then timestamp was confusing. |
| 14:14.52 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i did it that way so you can "cut" it for further automated processing and at the same time to be able to read the timestamp in a usual way. |
| 14:28.40 | SpeedEvil | Was this battery on charge for at least a couple of hours 'full' ? |
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| 14:30.21 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: yes |
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| 14:38.27 | SpeedEvil | Interesting and odd. http://www.mauve.plus.com/bat.gif |
| 14:38.49 | SpeedEvil | red and blue - voltage meter |
| 14:38.56 | SpeedEvil | green is scaled charge graph |
| 14:40.09 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if the charge meter chip learns over multiple cycles - is this a new bat? |
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| 14:40.59 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: it's nowhere near new, using it since November, keeped connected to a PC during nights and most days. |
| 14:41.05 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: my only cellphone. |
| 14:42.04 | SpeedEvil | I can't see that the capacity readout does anything. though I should have looked at % |
| 14:43.28 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: the charge meter chip works like that: every once in a while it decides it needs to re-learn, for that the battery should be discharge to a certain voltage, which it considers to be 6.25% iirc. |
| 14:43.49 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 14:44.49 | PaulFertser | I can't say for sure whether this discharge cycle was while BQ assumed it has a correct estimate or not. |
| 14:50.16 | SpeedEvil | what's the guesstimate function you're trying to use? |
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| 14:51.37 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: take a look at approx_func |
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| 14:57.58 | SpeedEvil | I don't think there's anything horribly bad with that. boost the 25% voltage down a little, and the rest cut up a bit. |
| 14:58.09 | SpeedEvil | And it'll match pretty well with the charge monitor |
| 14:59.47 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: btw i tried to precalculate table values to avoid doing the same steps every time but i couldn't see a good way to do it without FP. Do you think it worth trying to further improve the function itself? |
| 15:00.07 | SpeedEvil | not really |
| 15:00.14 | SpeedEvil | err - hang on |
| 15:01.20 | PaulFertser | (in fact i was busy fighting a bug with pcf50633 sync adc reading -- it just hangs if used unmodified... still no luck understanding the issue) |
| 15:01.43 | SpeedEvil | Unless I'm reading that wrong - that's going to use an essentially completely negligable amount of CPU. |
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| 15:02.22 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: yes, but it looks a bit inelegant :) |
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| 15:05.48 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: you might also want to take a look at the charge log (batlog_charge_incomplete.txt) |
| 15:07.01 | SpeedEvil | But something like 100%=4120, 60%=3900, 25%=3740, 5%=3.6, 0%=3V looks about right |
| 15:07.09 | SpeedEvil | And truncate over or under 0 |
| 15:07.36 | SpeedEvil | (based on the PCF reading) |
| 15:08.44 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: ok, will use this one :D |
| 15:09.22 | SpeedEvil | I don't get where the razor-sharp edges in the battery volts curve at about the second fifth of the discharge are coming from. Neglecting the noise. |
| 15:09.56 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: if you look at the file you'll see that bq27000 reading simply failed several times. |
| 15:10.16 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: probably it was exactly the time i turned on wifi to make it discharge faster. |
| 15:10.34 | walkie | what wrong with new fso ms5.5 - it seems it have no usb networking enabled by default |
| 15:11.58 | SpeedEvil | ah - right |
| 15:12.14 | walkie | and new ways of enabling gprs |
| 15:12.19 | SpeedEvil | yes - even neglecting the failed points I mean. But additional load will do it |
| 15:12.32 | SpeedEvil | As battvolts = nominal curve - impedence of course |
| 15:12.43 | SpeedEvil | well - impedence * current |
| 15:12.51 | PaulFertser | :) |
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| 15:14.05 | SpeedEvil | If you're doing the simple voltage measurement->charge state, then you need to be at a constant current - especially with older batteries. Or cheat. |
| 15:14.35 | SpeedEvil | you don't have accurate current I assume? |
| 15:14.42 | SpeedEvil | on neo at least |
| 15:14.50 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: sure, i understand that. I didn't plan to do a good test unfortunately, should have prepared properly from the beginning. :( |
| 15:14.50 | SpeedEvil | last I looked it was _horribly_ inaccurate |
| 15:15.11 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i assume the current i have is pretty much accurate, it's measured by bq27000 |
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| 15:16.05 | SpeedEvil | you probably want to be doing something like first subtracting off an estimated impedence (flashing the screen or something?) |
| 15:16.12 | PaulFertser | And yes, we've already discussed that, current readings by gta01 are unusable. |
| 15:16.13 | SpeedEvil | impedence * estimated current |
| 15:16.36 | SpeedEvil | And then averaging your estimated percentage a bit too. |
| 15:17.05 | SpeedEvil | that may get too complex though. |
| 15:17.07 | PaulFertser | Nice idea, but probably not worth it. |
| 15:17.28 | SpeedEvil | A subsystem based power estimation in theory - but... |
| 15:19.13 | SpeedEvil | Aha! Dump it on userspace. Let them throw in charge:voltage pairs :) |
| 15:19.49 | PaulFertser | I think what'd be more useful to the enduser is a means to tell the driver the nominal capacity of the battery installed so battery gadgets can show some reasonable time_to_empty values. If we had current readings. But with a real dumb battery we don't have it on both gta01 and gta02... |
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| 16:07.34 | Bert_2 | say, the mokonnect_0.3+svnr102-r0_armv4t.ipk seems to always return Stale NFS file handle stuff to me in shr-unstable, what can I do to fix that ? |
| 16:09.34 | NicolasD | Bert_2: In general this is due to currupted FS |
| 16:10.34 | Bert_2 | NicolasD: so reinstall on SD card ? |
| 16:10.43 | Bert_2 | NicolasD: or is my SD card broken ? |
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| 16:13.15 | NicolasD | Bert_2: if it's on SD, take it out and put it in a USB reader |
| 16:13.29 | NicolasD | Bert_2: You'll be able to repair it with fsck |
| 16:13.49 | Bert_2 | NicolasD: alright, I'm powering off right away |
| 16:17.28 | Bert_2 | NicolasD: you are right Inode 71841 has probs |
| 16:17.55 | Bert_2 | and loads of other Inodes :O |
| 16:23.25 | NicolasD | lol, I hope it's fixable ... |
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| 16:23.59 | Bert_2 | I told it to fix it and the phone seems to start |
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| 17:50.27 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: is there some command line tool that can suspend the freerunner if "apm -s" is considered deprecated? |
| 17:50.47 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: I found this pm-suspend, is it this? |
| 17:51.09 | PaulFertser | lindi_: echo mem > /sys/power/state |
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| 17:51.37 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: but i was asking for a command line tool |
| 17:52.12 | PaulFertser | lindi_: i think FSO project made some effort by implementing fso-apmd, that gives me a hint such a tool doesn't exist. |
| 17:52.21 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: but that's not a command line tool |
| 17:52.41 | lindi_ | (at least it does not sound like it) |
| 17:53.01 | PaulFertser | lindi_: i'm afraid i can't help you here :( |
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| 18:00.17 | SpeedEvil | how isn't echo a command line tool? |
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| 18:01.08 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: it has no manual page |
| 18:01.26 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: you need to "sudo sh -c 'echo > dddd'" to run it as normal user |
| 18:01.31 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: "apm" is suidroot |
| 18:02.37 | PaulFertser | wonders how come PCF50633 still didn't stop charging. Even with GSM off. |
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| 18:07.30 | SpeedEvil | lindi_: #!/bin/bash |
| 18:07.42 | SpeedEvil | echo >/sys/... |
| 18:07.54 | SpeedEvil | I'll even write you a manpage for $20. |
| 18:07.58 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: suid root shell scripts are not possible |
| 18:08.31 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: i'm just trying to find out if such a tool exists, not complaining that it doesn't |
| 18:08.55 | lindi_ | next i'm wondering if there's a tool to control leds |
| 18:12.25 | SpeedEvil | find /sys -name "*bright*" |
| 18:12.56 | SpeedEvil | Also - while you can't do suid root scripts - nothing stops you using suid in a script |
| 18:13.13 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: yep i need to write such suid scripts |
| 18:13.16 | SpeedEvil | sudo |
| 18:13.20 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: yep i need to write such suid commands that can be used in those scripts |
| 18:13.45 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: sudo logs and does name server lookups |
| 18:13.53 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: you don't want that for every led control |
| 18:14.45 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: also, sudo is reserved for user's own stuff. i don't think any distro stuff should use sudo |
| 18:15.02 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall that chmod foo /sys/whatever can work |
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| 18:15.35 | SpeedEvil | Not running everything as root is just security by obscurity :) |
| 18:15.36 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: but echo timer > trigger will popup two new files with default permissions |
| 18:15.40 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: eh |
| 18:15.58 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: and you can't access those two new files anymore |
| 18:16.12 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I'm not followin |
| 18:17.34 | PaulFertser | lindi_: and i am. |
| 18:18.35 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: even if you do chmod on "trigger" sysfs node, you'll face another obstacle when trying to use the "timer" trigger as two new files (that wasn't chmodded) pop up (to setup trigger parameters). |
| 18:18.48 | SpeedEvil | ah - right. |
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| 18:19.51 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: i'm just trying to avoid reinventing the wheel. i'll write a tool to use the kernel led interface if i'm sure that no such tool really exists |
| 18:20.19 | PaulFertser | lindi_: you're perfectly right. |
| 18:20.30 | PaulFertser | lindi_: i think FSO planned to control LEDs, no? |
| 18:20.39 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: but FSO is dbus |
| 18:20.40 | SpeedEvil | I'm not disagreeing - I just diddn't initially realise this was an attempt to do it cleanly. |
| 18:20.52 | PaulFertser | lindi_: you have dbus-send... |
| 18:20.55 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: i want a command line tool with man page |
| 18:21.11 | lindi_ | PaulFertser: and lower latency |
| 18:21.15 | SpeedEvil | why with a manpage? |
| 18:21.26 | SpeedEvil | any command line tool without a manpage can easily grow one. |
| 18:21.28 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: because that's how *nix works |
| 18:22.05 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: surely people can use FSO if they want but at least for debugging purposes a separate tool is useful |
| 18:22.06 | SpeedEvil | And linux works as you can write your own manpage. |
| 18:22.29 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: what do you mean? |
| 18:22.46 | SpeedEvil | If you have a tool with none |
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| 18:23.55 | lindi_ | SpeedEvil: sorry? |
| 18:24.27 | SpeedEvil | I'm just saying that your insistence on a manpage seemed odd if you have the source, and it's GPLd. |
| 18:24.31 | NicolasD | It's funny, I could have written the C program and even it's man page with same amount of text you just wrote ;) |
| 18:24.33 | SpeedEvil | As you can fork it. |
| 18:24.47 | SpeedEvil | plz. |
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| 18:29.23 | rss | how to use iwconfig? |
| 18:30.25 | rss | iwconfig eth0 key A4BEB3B8EC essid xyz is not working |
| 18:31.14 | PaulFertser | rss: i suggest you use wpa_supplicant, wrapping its invocation in "fsoraw -r WiFi" |
| 18:32.55 | rss | PaulFertser, is there a howto for it/ |
| 18:32.58 | SpeedEvil | rss: for wep? |
| 18:33.25 | PaulFertser | rss: you don't need no howto, just do what i said |
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| 18:34.00 | rss | where do I put the key and ESSID? |
| 18:34.02 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: ar6000 still has some problems which are surfaced with a particular ifconfig patterns. With wpa_supplicant i rarely/never trigger it. |
| 18:34.09 | PaulFertser | rss: man wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 18:34.20 | rss | ok |
| 18:34.22 | SpeedEvil | I've seen something like that yes, annoying. |
| 18:34.34 | SpeedEvil | Though with a card I've since exploded. |
| 18:34.43 | SpeedEvil | With the help of linksys. |
| 18:34.45 | rss | man isn't there on SHR, persuing the site |
| 18:39.45 | rss | psk is the key? |
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| 18:41.09 | PaulFertser | rss: for WEP use wep_key0 |
| 18:41.42 | rss | ok |
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| 18:44.11 | beer__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.31 | rss | I put wpa_supplicant.conf in /etc/wpa_supplicant/ |
| 18:45.48 | rss | fsoraw -r Wifi is returning the default args |
| 18:46.07 | PaulFertser | beer__: if the whole stock of already produced A7 is sold and it would be necessary to make a new batch then probably (depending on many factors) A8 will be produced. |
| 18:46.27 | beer__ | k |
| 18:46.46 | PaulFertser | rss: fsoraw -r WiFi -- wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -Dwext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 18:46.54 | PaulFertser | Something like that. |
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| 18:47.34 | Kagee | ndnihil: did you find out anything more? |
| 18:47.38 | beer__ | nice to know that they proberbly still produce the phone if people would like to buy them |
| 18:49.47 | PaulFertser | Kagee: i found some nice information about using PAN the new way. |
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| 18:50.59 | Kagee | PaulFertser: I also found "some information about the new way", problem was - it didn't work on the neo :-S URL ? |
| 18:51.21 | PaulFertser | Kagee: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278472 |
| 18:51.27 | rss | my bad wifi has been set off |
| 18:51.38 | PaulFertser | rss: you shouldn't enable it manually. |
| 18:51.44 | PaulFertser | rss: fsoraw does that for you. |
| 18:51.51 | rss | oh |
| 18:52.20 | Kagee | what's fsoraw? |
| 18:52.34 | PaulFertser | . o O ( someone should finally write a wiki page explaining the idea behind requesting/releasing resources and resources policies in ousaged ) |
| 18:53.24 | PaulFertser | Kagee: a tool to manage resource allocation from shell scripts. |
| 18:54.00 | Kagee | PaulFertser: btw, the bluez-paring tools didn't work on neither mine nor ndnihil's phone. |
| 18:54.01 | PaulFertser | is tired of misunderstanding the concept of resources by the end-users :( |
| 18:54.41 | PaulFertser | Kagee: ndnihil said he found some old hell-knows-from-where simple-agent script and that was the reason it didn't work. |
| 18:55.04 | PaulFertser | Kagee: the one from bluez sources worked for everybody, i can't see why you have any problems with that. |
| 18:56.22 | PaulFertser | rss: pay attention to the resource name, it's case-sensitive. |
| 18:57.18 | rss | WiFi/ |
| 18:57.19 | rss | ? |
| 18:57.26 | PaulFertser | rss: yes |
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| 19:00.23 | rss | PaulFertser, http://pastebin.com/m6121bae5 |
| 19:00.27 | rss | please see that |
| 19:04.36 | PaulFertser | rss: fsoraw -r WiFi -- wpa_supplicant -ieth0 -Dwext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 19:13.40 | rss | PaulFertser, it connected, it is not returning to shell, will it take few moments? |
| 19:14.40 | PaulFertser | rss: it's not supposed to return to the shell. You can background it. |
| 19:15.28 | rss | to switch off? kill it? |
| 19:18.28 | PaulFertser | rss: sorry? |
| 19:18.53 | rss | to disable wifi, what should I do/ |
| 19:18.54 | rss | ? |
| 19:19.48 | PaulFertser | rss: kill wpa_supplicant |
| 19:20.23 | rss | will that off wifi radio too? |
| 19:20.43 | PaulFertser | rss: could you please add all this information to the wiki? I assume you tried looking at some pages before asking here, could you please add the missing info there? |
| 19:21.11 | PaulFertser | rss: yes, fsoraw will exit too and that will release the resource. If there're no other resource consumers and resource policy is "auto" it will be switched off. |
| 19:22.35 | TAsn | thinks PaulFertser is getting pissed and is about to write that spoken of wiki page ;) |
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| 19:22.43 | rss | err... I found few things in mailing lists, on the site I saw about manually using iwconfig then about wpasupplicant.conf |
| 19:24.14 | PaulFertser | TAsn: i'm still fighting the bug with sync adc reading :( |
| 19:24.31 | TAsn | PaulFertser, what's that? |
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| 19:25.54 | PaulFertser | TAsn: i'm about to provide FR users with a dumb battery driver. But for some unknown reason asking pcf50633 ADC about battery voltage doesn't work as expected for first 2 times. |
| 19:26.28 | TAsn | PaulFertser, first of all, cool! |
| 19:26.34 | TAsn | as for the bug, weird. ;\ |
| 19:26.40 | TAsn | do I know nothing about this topic ;\ |
| 19:27.49 | rss | PaulFertser, in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wifi page? |
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| 19:29.18 | rss | it'd be great help if this channel is allowed to be logged(hackers can discuss important and personal stuff in another channel?) |
| 19:29.36 | PaulFertser | rss: this channel is logged already. |
| 19:29.43 | rss | where!? |
| 19:29.47 | PaulFertser | rss: yes, that page seems to be appropriate. |
| 19:30.20 | PaulFertser | rss: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/ |
| 19:31.31 | rss | ah cool! |
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| 19:36.31 | Kagee | PaulFertser: ehh... those logs has size=0 for the last ... 15 days :-S |
| 19:38.41 | PaulFertser | Kagee: :( mwester_ is busy lately, probably he can fix logging. |
| 19:39.27 | rss | if logging is allowed then many other online logging services can be put into work also |
| 19:40.12 | PaulFertser | rss: logging is allowed |
| 19:40.35 | SpeedEvil | I would offer to share my logs - but I am often missing half an hour a day. |
| 19:41.01 | PaulFertser | I've plenty of logs, can upload somewhere probably. |
| 19:42.11 | rss | irseek.com seems to be good |
| 19:42.48 | rss | who's an op here? |
| 19:43.01 | PaulFertser | rss: ChanServ :) |
| 19:43.18 | rss | :D |
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| 19:47.17 | PaulFertser | Heh, right during adding debug printks i saw the place where the race condition can occur. Printks seem to confirm that :) |
| 19:48.30 | SpeedEvil | hugs printk. |
| 19:49.06 | SpeedEvil | is a firm advocate of the 'spray print[fk]'s at it' school of debugging. |
| 19:49.41 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: the mutex protects the adc requests queue but is released earlier than the register access to start ADC conversion is done. |
| 19:51.15 | SpeedEvil | oops. |
| 19:52.09 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: funny thing is that i didn't need to see dmesg to predict it, looked at this driver for some time already but saw that possibility only during "spraying" printk's :) |
| 19:53.49 | PaulFertser | There's still another race left there but it's not nearly as harmful. |
| 19:55.37 | PaulFertser | Funny thing gta01 driver is almost the same but doesn't have that first stupid race :) |
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| 20:06.10 | Kagee | PaulFertser, would you happen to know how i set the phone into paring mode? |
| 20:06.13 | jaj | I was wondering, does gsm traversal currently work? |
| 20:06.25 | jaj | using the gsm moden through usb without booting the phone |
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| 20:06.55 | PaulFertser | Kagee: why can't you just use simple-agent? |
| 20:07.04 | SpeedEvil | jaj: no |
| 20:07.31 | Kagee | mm, i found it, and i'm running it, but the phone don't appear on the computer |
| 20:07.51 | jaj | SpeedEvil: because when I hook up the phone it sees a usb modem device before the boot of the OS |
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| 20:09.22 | PaulFertser | jaj: it's u-boot console. |
| 20:09.30 | ndnihil | kagee: hciconfig hci0 piscan |
| 20:09.41 | jaj | PaulFertser: oh ok, I see |
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| 20:19.40 | Kagee | now the phone and computer is paired. do i have to continue to run passkey-agent, or is it's job finised? |
| 20:20.49 | PaulFertser | Kagee: finished |
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| 23:42.13 | CIA-54 | openmoko: 03werner * r5324 10/developers/werner/openness/ (Makefile odhwdr.tex oshwdr.tex): |
| 23:42.13 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - changed title from "Open Source Hardware" to "Open Design Hardware" |
| 23:42.13 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - renamed from oshwdr.tex to odhwdr.tex |
| 23:42.13 | CIA-54 | openmoko: - one more benefit for non-NDA and assorted style corrections by Dave Ball |
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