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| 03:25.14 | raster | 'blum |
| 03:28.43 | rooly | anyone managed to get pidgin-facebook plugin compiled? |
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| 04:05.18 | rooly | sooooo |
| 04:05.23 | rooly | raster: you around? |
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| 04:08.18 | raster | rooly: boo |
| 04:08.23 | rooly | sup |
| 04:08.34 | rooly | any reason opkg is failing to fork and then segfaulting? |
| 04:08.37 | rooly | it never used to do that |
| 04:08.51 | raster | someone added a bug? |
| 04:08.59 | rooly | iunno... |
| 04:09.11 | raster | shr? |
| 04:09.27 | rooly | mmhmm |
| 04:09.31 | rooly | but it does it on all fso distros |
| 04:09.42 | raster | no idea |
| 04:09.45 | raster | my guess is a bug |
| 04:09.50 | raster | or maybe disk full? |
| 04:09.52 | raster | out of ram? |
| 04:10.01 | rooly | hmm, out of ram sounds possibly right |
| 04:10.01 | raster | too many processes? |
| 04:10.56 | rooly | can't be that |
| 04:11.17 | raster | nothing (pretyt much) handles out of memory |
| 04:11.34 | rooly | lemme run some top |
| 04:11.36 | raster | or handls it well enough to gracefully let you know and do somethng about it |
| 04:11.44 | raster | linxu itelf alreayd overcommits by default |
| 04:11.58 | raster | so mallco can succeed then using he ram it alloced fails in a segv |
| 04:11.59 | rooly | hmm... |
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| 04:12.44 | rooly | well, it's not entirely out of memory |
| 04:12.58 | rooly | running at 94/118 |
| 04:14.08 | rooly | but...i did get this error, so it's probably out of memory: "WARNING: Unable to remove temporary directory: /tmp/opkg-sL1VXy: Cannot allocate memory" |
| 04:14.29 | raster | 94/188... for what? |
| 04:14.40 | rooly | total |
| 04:14.40 | raster | theres cache, buffers, free, used,.... |
| 04:15.03 | raster | used + cache + buffers ? |
| 04:15.11 | rooly | hmm |
| 04:15.16 | rooly | lemme see if i can get more out of htop |
| 04:15.25 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.26 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.26 | raster | Mem: 1987 1934 53 0 169 1242 |
| 04:15.26 | raster | -/+ buffers/cache: 522 1465 |
| 04:15.26 | raster | Swap: 3820 7 3812 |
| 04:15.48 | raster | i dont have 53m free |
| 04:15.55 | raster | 1465 is more like it |
| 04:16.22 | rooly | getting 118 total, used 61, free 56, cache is 25 |
| 04:16.34 | raster | thats tonnes of free ram |
| 04:16.37 | rooly | sans buffers and cache, i've got 81 free |
| 04:16.46 | rooly | right, but i just icks-nayed x |
| 04:16.47 | raster | it could be ramdisk is full |
| 04:16.58 | raster | i cant rememebr whats setup but /tmp is actually not on disk |
| 04:16.59 | raster | its ram |
| 04:17.00 | rooly | i'll try again with a smaller footprint |
| 04:17.05 | raster | mount will tell u |
| 04:17.08 | raster | df -h |
| 04:17.10 | raster | too |
| 04:17.15 | rooly | oh fsck |
| 04:17.20 | rooly | ... |
| 04:17.22 | ShellEvil | opkg recently - well not very - segfaults |
| 04:17.33 | ShellEvil | just add swap |
| 04:17.34 | rooly | failed opkg upgrades...kill a system |
| 04:17.44 | raster | yes |
| 04:17.46 | rooly | ShellEvil: the system is using more and more memory |
| 04:17.52 | raster | thats rather bad actually that that happens |
| 04:18.03 | rooly | has to reflash his phone now... |
| 04:18.06 | raster | ShellEvil: swap shoudl never be used on devices |
| 04:18.09 | raster | ever |
| 04:18.17 | ShellEvil | rooly: I thought it was the normal opkg thing |
| 04:18.24 | raster | it not only will kill performance like nothing else... it is just a wrong solution |
| 04:18.27 | ShellEvil | raster: yes. |
| 04:18.42 | ShellEvil | raster: but - recently - opkg has taken to segfaulting when you try to upgrade it all |
| 04:18.43 | raster | things need to use less ram and get better ad throwing things out of ram |
| 04:18.50 | raster | ShellEvil: that is very bad |
| 04:18.56 | rooly | oy, lemme get some flashing in here... |
| 04:19.01 | ShellEvil | adding swap while you perform the command is a quick and simple bandaid |
| 04:19.09 | rooly | ... |
| 04:19.12 | ShellEvil | Sure. |
| 04:19.23 | ShellEvil | plz code. :) |
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| 04:19.57 | raster | on its own if a failed upgrade for whatever reason (disk full, seg's ram full - power plug removed) should be recoverable in-place |
| 04:20.01 | ShellEvil | And swapping can hurt performance less in some cases than paging out pages of binaries. |
| 04:20.03 | raster | or not screw anything |
| 04:20.22 | rooly | raster: yeah...well i lost opkg |
| 04:20.25 | rooly | so... |
| 04:20.42 | raster | ShellEvil: when swap is ona microsd off your gfx chip... i'd say no :) |
| 04:20.50 | raster | rooly: thats mighty bad |
| 04:21.05 | raster | really need fs snapshotting |
| 04:21.28 | raster | ie snapshot fs before pkg upgrade, then do - then snap again after. |
| 04:21.38 | ShellEvil | raster: when you need swap when running one command, for a few seconds... |
| 04:21.40 | raster | if for any reason it fails a reboot shoudl begin at last snapshot |
| 04:21.57 | raster | ShellEvil: code needs fixing |
| 04:21.57 | raster | :) |
| 04:22.06 | ShellEvil | And yes, that's a nice sensible suggestion. Which is not implemented. |
| 04:22.14 | raster | yeah |
| 04:22.23 | ShellEvil | I am not disagreeing with you, but I'm also not offering to fix the code. |
| 04:22.29 | raster | but it's somehting i need to make note of |
| 04:22.32 | ShellEvil | As I suspect you are also not. |
| 04:22.46 | raster | hehehe |
| 04:22.58 | raster | i have clients who have teams on the stuff... |
| 04:23.08 | ShellEvil | has already tried to fix his bug for today and failed. |
| 04:23.18 | raster | to whom this is nasty stuff that is a deal breaker |
| 04:23.19 | rooly | isn't gonna worry |
| 04:23.25 | rooly | nothing particularly bad lost |
| 04:23.28 | ShellEvil | FF3.5 |
| 04:23.36 | ShellEvil | >.\& |
| 04:23.43 | rooly | maybe some installs |
| 04:23.51 | ShellEvil | browse to that directory in file:// |
| 04:24.00 | ShellEvil | oops. |
| 04:24.08 | ShellEvil | XML error |
| 04:24.14 | rooly | oy |
| 04:24.26 | rooly | didn't they make opkg use wget recently due to libcurl problems? |
| 04:24.28 | rooly | or is that old news |
| 04:25.34 | raster | hmm ubifs doesnt have snapshotting. bugger |
| 04:27.02 | ShellEvil | wants cheap RAM snapshots. |
| 04:27.49 | rooly | don't you mean swap? |
| 04:27.52 | rooly | snickers |
| 04:28.27 | ShellEvil | no. |
| 04:29.09 | rooly | hmm |
| 04:29.14 | rooly | anybody watch trueblood on hbo? |
| 04:29.14 | raster | cat /dev/mem > snap |
| 04:29.15 | raster | :) |
| 04:29.36 | raster | tho technically a hibernatesession would do the job |
| 04:29.44 | ShellEvil | raster: project going well - or stalled? |
| 04:29.52 | raster | which project? |
| 04:30.10 | rooly | does cat do binary output, or does it only do text output |
| 04:30.18 | raster | yes |
| 04:30.24 | ShellEvil | raster: GTA9000 |
| 04:30.29 | raster | there is no such thngi as text vs binary in unix |
| 04:30.33 | ShellEvil | raster: or wahtever you were calling it |
| 04:30.37 | rooly | ic |
| 04:30.44 | raster | its a stream of bytes - cat just reads out one after the other and dumps it |
| 04:30.51 | rooly | only an x-mime type then |
| 04:31.10 | raster | ShellEvil: oooh that - stalled due to basically no money being there to do it |
| 04:31.30 | ShellEvil | raster: Know how that works :/ |
| 04:31.32 | raster | rooly: its no mime type. its just bytes |
| 04:31.58 | raster | ShellEvil: I FIGURED OUT THE COST TO GET IT TO "DONT NEED ANY MORE MONEY PUT IN" AND JJST WASNT SEEING A WAY TO GET THAT $ |
| 04:32.01 | raster | oopds |
| 04:32.03 | raster | caps |
| 04:32.23 | raster | fixed |
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| 04:32.34 | rooly | ... |
| 04:32.37 | ShellEvil | raster: you mean the point at which you go to breakeven selling it to users? |
| 04:32.42 | rooly | billy mays is the only man allowed to speak in caps |
| 04:33.09 | raster | ShellEvil: yes. basicaly at the point where its sales have paid back its dev costs and fund continues production etc. |
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| 04:33.54 | ShellEvil | raster: Fun. I'm working on various trivial things for ebay - which luckily don't really suffer from that. |
| 04:34.05 | ShellEvil | As the first one can be profitable. |
| 04:34.15 | ShellEvil | (just) |
| 04:34.39 | ShellEvil | Kinda harder with BGA, 83 layer boards, and actual staff though. |
| 04:34.58 | raster | ShellEvil: yes - very much so |
| 04:35.09 | rooly | runs around getting software already made to work the way he wants |
| 04:35.12 | raster | so i'm mostly focusing on fi9nding/playing with hw that has potential |
| 04:35.25 | raster | and poking certain people into the idea of being open as a good thing |
| 04:35.36 | raster | not the "lets release schematics" side |
| 04:35.48 | rooly | well you'll never convince at&t |
| 04:35.54 | raster | but at least the "we will let you put your own kernel, os, etc. on if u want and not stand in the way" |
| 04:35.57 | rooly | cause they like to charge for a tethering plan |
| 04:36.01 | raster | and otherwise ship with something standardly linuxy |
| 04:36.04 | rooly | but they'll never get that money outta my pocket... |
| 04:36.11 | raster | ie kernel, userspace, x11, etc. |
| 04:36.22 | rooly | since my 'phone' is nothing more than a unix computer with ip-forwarding capability |
| 04:36.36 | ShellEvil | goes to sleep, and hopes when he wakes up rasters project is funded. |
| 04:36.46 | ShellEvil | Night! |
| 04:37.06 | rooly | god i love the freerunner |
| 04:38.13 | raster | rooly: u dont need to convince atnt unless u want atnt to re-sell it and subsidise it for you |
| 04:38.24 | raster | ie a phopne really normally costs about $400-$1200 |
| 04:38.31 | raster | as an actual cost to buy it without a subsidy |
| 04:38.41 | raster | so costs lower than that means the telco is paying part of it for you |
| 04:38.51 | raster | and thus - they will want their arm and leg as a result |
| 04:39.00 | rooly | right |
| 04:39.08 | raster | ShellEvil: nite! |
| 04:39.16 | raster | rooly: you just get a sim plan |
| 04:39.21 | raster | pay for X calls and sms's |
| 04:39.24 | raster | and Y data |
| 04:39.32 | raster | egt here u just get $X worth of calls/sms |
| 04:39.38 | raster | and $Y mb of data |
| 04:39.47 | raster | err Y mb i mean |
| 04:39.58 | raster | go over it and u pay $Z/mb over |
| 04:40.02 | raster | its pretty simple |
| 04:40.05 | rooly | has unlimited now |
| 04:40.07 | rooly | so w00t |
| 04:40.14 | raster | they dont care if u tether or not as u have the same quopta and charges regardless |
| 04:40.16 | rooly | but...5 gigs seems like the unwritten limit |
| 04:40.28 | rooly | so..i'll have to be careful |
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| 04:40.38 | raster | then u dont care about att |
| 04:40.43 | raster | u just buy your phone(s) as needed |
| 04:41.31 | raster | 5 gig is a LOT |
| 04:41.41 | rooly | not really |
| 04:41.48 | raster | i cant see myszelf using that unlerss u are tethering |
| 04:42.17 | raster | and i use particularly little |
| 04:42.20 | Blu3 | just download kde or gnome once |
| 04:42.25 | Blu3 | :> |
| 04:42.26 | rooly | about the only thing that might keep me from using 5 gigs with regular phone usage is...well...my bandwidth |
| 04:42.30 | Blu3 | or use pidgin |
| 04:42.30 | raster | Blu3: as is aid.. unless u are tehtering |
| 04:42.31 | raster | :) |
| 04:44.22 | raster | Blu3: on gprs... if u download continually for 30 days downloading ALL the time |
| 04:44.27 | raster | u will hit 5g in 30 days |
| 04:44.40 | raster | good luck doing that as your battery will stop you long before then |
| 04:44.41 | Blu3 | </humor> |
| 04:44.42 | raster | :) |
| 04:44.59 | raster | 5g is a LOT of data |
| 04:45.02 | raster | as i said |
| 04:45.02 | raster | :) |
| 04:45.22 | Blu3 | my phone is plugged in most of the time. i know 5G is a lot, but it's not -that- much |
| 04:45.37 | raster | 30 days of continual data on a freerunner |
| 04:45.47 | raster | i'm assuming decent gprs (20kbit) |
| 04:46.06 | raster | thats about the best rate i've ever seen on it that it can sustain |
| 04:46.58 | rooly | k |
| 04:47.12 | raster | rooly: u'll be fine :) |
| 04:47.49 | rooly | actually |
| 04:47.58 | rooly | 6 gb |
| 04:48.00 | rooly | ... |
| 04:48.02 | rooly | 6GB |
| 04:48.14 | rooly | did the math |
| 04:48.50 | rooly | assuming constant usage |
| 04:48.56 | rooly | 20kb/s |
| 04:49.04 | raster | ok - i rounded up 20kbit == kb/s |
| 04:49.11 | Blu3 | can't figure out how my (other) phone figures out what my voicemail number is |
| 04:49.24 | raster | but i guess i'm being pesemistic on protocol overheads etc. |
| 04:49.32 | raster | which are incuded in your quotae |
| 04:49.54 | raster | voicemail is one of the suckiest things around... |
| 04:50.02 | rooly | true |
| 04:50.12 | raster | somehting to amuse americans until they discovered their phones can do sms |
| 04:50.12 | Blu3 | regardless of that, i need to figure out how it is done |
| 04:50.12 | raster | :) |
| 04:51.22 | rooly | here's how i got my number: |
| 04:51.51 | raster | i siabled voicemail on my account years ago... and dont regret it |
| 04:51.52 | raster | :) |
| 04:52.02 | Blu3 | i also need to figure out how to get a muxer going on my laptop so i can do ppp and sms at the same time. |
| 04:52.18 | rooly | 20kb/s * 60(sec) * 60(min) * 24(hour) * 28(day) / 8(Byte) / 1024(MB) / 1024(GB) |
| 04:52.21 | Blu3 | i prefer people leave me voicemails or sms. i don't like talking on the phone |
| 04:52.36 | Blu3 | and yes, i prefer sms to voicemail |
| 04:52.37 | rooly | gives 5.77 |
| 04:53.34 | Blu3 | rooly, that number will vary quite a bit depending on your overhead/payload ratio |
| 04:53.46 | rooly | oh sure |
| 04:53.54 | rooly | but we are simply assuming the 20kbps |
| 04:54.25 | Blu3 | according to my monthly ntop reports, most packets are between 128 and 256 bytes, with about 40-60 bytes of tcp/ip header |
| 04:54.37 | Blu3 | which also gets wrapped inside a ppp frame |
| 04:58.06 | rooly | there |
| 04:58.10 | rooly | shr-unstable re-installed |
| 04:58.18 | rooly | hmph |
| 04:58.42 | rooly | i got down to what seemed like a workable memory footprint for an opkg upgrade when i stopped x |
| 04:59.04 | rooly | so... |
| 04:59.58 | rooly | people should be advised to turn off x before attempting an upgrade |
| 05:03.09 | Blu3 | i just add a swapfile |
| 05:06.23 | rooly | i'mg onna do that... |
| 05:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | raster: (ubifs) btrfs? |
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| 05:22.29 | rooly | oy |
| 05:22.38 | rooly | is the swap automatic, or do i need to fstab it |
| 05:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: mkswap to "format", then swapon to enable. swapon -a works on fstab |
| 05:25.11 | rooly | so just throw swapon -a into fstab somewhere? |
| 05:26.50 | ndnihil | #/dev/mmcblk0p2 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 05:28.09 | DocScrutinizer | throw swapon -a somewhere inti init.d then ;-) |
| 05:28.30 | rooly | i did the ndnihil suggestion |
| 05:28.31 | rooly | easier |
| 05:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: man 8 swapon |
| 05:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: man 8 mkswap |
| 05:30.28 | rooly | how big is a cylinder? |
| 05:31.11 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: there's no such thing as a different ndnihil suggestion |
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| 05:32.35 | ndnihil | I assumed he had already created the swap partition |
| 05:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | (cyl) mine are 500ccm |
| 05:32.49 | ndnihil | and was looking for the correct fstab entry for swap |
| 05:33.57 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: man swapon sys you still need swapon in itit.d somewhere, even if you got fstab entries. Thats the -a for swapon |
| 05:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | s/sys/says/ |
| 05:34.20 | rooly | christ... how big is a disk cylinder.... |
| 05:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: ask your disk. Why would you want to know? |
| 05:35.09 | rooly | so's i can determine what cylinder to start the swap at for the 2nd partition |
| 05:35.29 | rooly | i'd do +sizeM, but i don't know the exact size of the disk... |
| 05:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 05:36.00 | rooly | its a 16gb SanDisk uSD |
| 05:36.04 | rooly | '16' gb |
| 05:37.57 | DocScrutinizer | and what's the exact problem? every decent fdisk does this kind of calculations for you, rounding up/down if needed |
| 05:39.10 | rooly | meh |
| 05:39.10 | rooly | nvm |
| 05:39.55 | rooly | okay, so writing my ext3 fs |
| 05:40.00 | rooly | hmm |
| 05:40.08 | rooly | gonna need to put a noboot on there... |
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| 05:44.21 | rooly | okay, well i just guessed |
| 05:44.32 | rooly | and got me 282 megs of swap space... |
| 05:46.21 | ndnihil | you can add your target size as the first partition, count the cylinders, then subtract that from total cylinders when you re-make the first to get swap as the last partition |
| 05:49.40 | DocScrutinizer | errrr. hmm @.@ |
| 05:49.42 | rooly | its no big deal |
| 05:49.50 | rooly | i was really aiming for 128 megs |
| 05:50.11 | rooly | but 282 is just fine |
| 05:50.32 | Blu3 | why are you trying to calculate precise cylinders? |
| 05:50.41 | rooly | cause i want to |
| 05:50.45 | rooly | any other reason? |
| 05:50.49 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest considering a file for swap. for this temporary bandaid for opkg it might be better suited |
| 05:51.30 | Blu3 | just curious. an SD card is unlike a harddrive. the actual memory locations are going to vary according to wear leveling |
| 05:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | rooly: for LBA addressing mode, where do you think cyl size kicks in for any difference in how the system is performing? |
| 05:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | Blu3: heh, exactly what I tried to say :-) |
| 05:52.55 | rooly | i'm just wondering why my wifi aint workin... |
| 05:53.27 | Blu3 | does iwconfig show it up and associating? |
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| 05:55.07 | rooly | yah |
| 05:55.10 | rooly | 's weird |
| 05:55.15 | rooly | iwlist tells me it can't scan |
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| 05:57.45 | Blu3 | after first association, my laptop card doesn't either |
| 05:57.55 | Blu3 | try just setting the essid manually |
| 05:58.26 | ndnihil | anyone getting this: Unknown HZ value! (69) Assume 100. |
| 05:58.31 | ndnihil | when running 'free'? |
| 05:59.01 | ndnihil | went from 67 to 68 to 69, but has stayed there the last couple times |
| 05:59.14 | rooly | i am |
| 05:59.20 | rooly | well |
| 05:59.23 | rooly | randomly |
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| 06:00.08 | ndnihil | now it's up to 70 |
| 06:00.23 | ndnihil | same thing for 'ps' |
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| 08:32.35 | tomcatek | I've just reinstalled SHR on my FR, and I can't make it to log into network |
| 08:32.46 | tomcatek | it's not asking me for PIN |
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| 08:34.16 | tomcatek | when I tried to go to settings -> connectivity it hanged up on screen with "loading 4 modules" |
| 08:34.34 | blindcoder | tomcatek: I've installed yesterdays shr and it takes about 2 minutes after x starts to ask for my pin |
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| 08:35.20 | tomcatek | blindcoder: before I got just a message in "conectivity" "could not connect to FSO |
| 08:35.36 | tomcatek | ok... |
| 08:35.47 | tomcatek | I'll try to reboot, and see what happens |
| 08:35.54 | blindcoder | good luck |
| 08:36.02 | tomcatek | thanks :] |
| 08:36.04 | blindcoder | btw, do you know how to use the contacts application in shr? |
| 08:36.14 | blindcoder | every time I try to enter a contact and press save, it doesn't show up |
| 08:36.59 | max_posedon | blindcoder, may be contact name too long |
| 08:37.14 | blindcoder | max_posedon: hmm, let me try |
| 08:37.21 | tomcatek | I'm quite nwe to SHR.. using it since yesterday :) |
| 08:37.43 | max_posedon | for some reason sim can't save contact and you have "silent fail" |
| 08:37.50 | blindcoder | max_posedon: okay, entery "A B" and number "123" works |
| 08:37.58 | blindcoder | I see |
| 08:38.18 | blindcoder | is there an alternative to that contacts manager anyway? I'd like to save contacts and also have more than 1 number per contact ;) |
| 08:38.38 | max_posedon | in short - no |
| 08:39.05 | blindcoder | that makes me a sad panda :( |
| 08:39.21 | blindcoder | gotta get my build env going then, I guess |
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| 08:40.09 | max_posedon | you can help people hack opimd if you want, dos1|zzZZzz working on implementing all this features |
| 08:41.27 | blindcoder | sure, if there's already work going on then there's no reason to start from scratch |
| 08:41.45 | tomcatek | blindcoder: I'm feeling lucky. It asked me for my PIN ;) |
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| 08:55.26 | badcloud | is there an equivalent to rc.local in shr? |
| 08:58.18 | tomcatek | anyone knows what tool is used to obtain address drom DHCP? |
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| 09:11.55 | zeroedout | tomcatek: on fso/openmoko/open embedded udhcpc on debian dhcpcd or dhclient |
| 09:13.00 | tomcatek | hmm... |
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| 09:14.15 | tomcatek | when I tried to connect to wireless netwok using Mokonnect it wosn't able to obtain IP from DHCP |
| 09:14.26 | tomcatek | but by hand it went OK |
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| 09:16.29 | blindcoder | tomcatek: mokonnect is strange anyway |
| 09:16.42 | blindcoder | running iwlist scan gives me several networks, mokonnect gives me none |
| 09:17.03 | tomcatek | hehe |
| 09:17.19 | tig| | blindcoder: is this after you have connected once and then suspended? |
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| 09:17.30 | tomcatek | maybye it omits network with signal too weak to connect |
| 09:17.32 | tig| | as I was getting that yesterday |
| 09:17.51 | blindcoder | tig|: not sure, but I'd say yes. after a reboot it worked |
| 09:18.11 | tig| | yeah had the exact same thing here but been too busy to debug |
| 09:20.11 | blindcoder | I see. well, I'm currently setting up a build environment. currently following the instructions at "bitbake -c clean shr-dialer" for trying to get it running |
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| 09:56.31 | Bert_2 | cudos to whoever worked on the update in intone and the new wifi manager in shr, just updated after 2 weeks of France and I'm amazed by the current progress :D |
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| 10:07.04 | blindcoder | hmm... why is a native qemu built when I do bitbake -c build shr-dialer for SHR? |
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| 10:18.15 | budda_ | hi |
| 10:19.05 | Bert_2 | hi |
| 10:19.19 | budda_ | I have a simple question |
| 10:19.31 | ShellEvil | I have a simple answer. |
| 10:19.33 | ShellEvil | no. |
| 10:19.38 | ShellEvil | Shoot |
| 10:19.40 | budda_ | about sms |
| 10:19.46 | budda_ | on qtextended |
| 10:19.55 | budda_ | where are sms stored? |
| 10:20.02 | budda_ | I found a folder |
| 10:20.07 | Bert_2 | I don't know anything about qtextended, but most systems use the SIM |
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| 10:20.54 | budda_ | ok |
| 10:21.11 | budda_ | thank you |
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| 10:21.32 | Bert_2 | np ;) |
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| 11:08.32 | badcloud | classic, ShellEvil :) 13:19 < ShellEvil> I have a simple answer. |
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| 11:15.04 | ptero_ | pff... i got my (used) freerunner with android delivered this morning... since android's ui was pissing me off and it couldn't connect to wifi (it saw the APs once and told me that it connected, but the browser, for instance, wasn't able to connect) i wanted to switch to fdom, flashed it, but it wouldn't boot. i flashed the newest kernel then, it still didn't want to boot. then i flashed om2009, it showed me lots of errors on boot (looked lik |
| 11:17.57 | speedevil | ooked lik |
| 11:19.47 | tomcatek | e |
| 11:19.48 | ptero_ | in "settings" wifi is "unknown", in "services" it was on, tapping on it turned it off and now i can't turn it on again |
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| 11:20.20 | PBeck | hi |
| 11:22.55 | ptero_ | ifconfig/iwconfig only see lo |
| 11:23.53 | tomcatek | ifconfig -a? |
| 11:25.04 | ptero_ | yes, lo only |
| 11:25.47 | tomcatek | are modules loaded? |
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| 11:26.53 | ptero_ | huhuh |
| 11:27.07 | blindcoder | anything in dmesg? |
| 11:27.53 | ptero_ | #modprobe -l: FATAL: Could not load (blahblahblah): no such file or directory |
| 11:28.16 | blindcoder | try depmod -ae and then modprobe again |
| 11:29.07 | blindcoder | are you sure that the kernel from nand has been loaded? |
| 11:29.09 | ptero_ | i only got modules for 2.6.24, but got 2.6.29 installed |
| 11:29.29 | blindcoder | seems like the rootfs and kernel don't match together |
| 11:29.45 | ptero_ | even though i actually flashed uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r3-om-gta02 |
| 11:30.06 | blindcoder | ptero_: check where the bootloader gets its kernel from |
| 11:30.10 | blindcoder | if it's nand or uSD |
| 11:30.28 | ptero_ | how do i check? |
| 11:30.40 | blindcoder | power off the device |
| 11:30.45 | blindcoder | power it on like this |
| 11:30.54 | blindcoder | press and hold power button |
| 11:31.05 | blindcoder | after 2-3 seconds, also press and hold aux button while still holding power button |
| 11:31.13 | blindcoder | you get the u-Boot from NAND then |
| 11:31.19 | blindcoder | then connect the serial cable |
| 11:31.35 | blindcoder | and connect a terminal emulator (cu, minicom, screen) to /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 11:31.50 | blindcoder | then issue these commands |
| 11:31.57 | blindcoder | setenv boot_menu_timeout 99999 |
| 11:32.00 | blindcoder | printenv |
| 11:32.05 | blindcoder | then check for bootcmd |
| 11:32.22 | blindcoder | this will tell you where it loads the kernel from and which parameters it passes to it |
| 11:32.34 | blindcoder | in the parameter root= you will find where it loads the rootfs from |
| 11:32.35 | ptero_ | serial cable? is usb also fine? |
| 11:32.45 | blindcoder | err... |
| 11:32.48 | blindcoder | sorry, I meant USB |
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| 11:36.11 | ptero_ | getting to uboot can be tricky... |
| 11:36.34 | blindcoder | with a bit of trying you get it reliably ;) |
| 11:36.38 | blindcoder | try as I described it |
| 11:36.59 | blindcoder | press power button, after 2-3 seconds (count 1, 2, 3) also press aux button and hold both until boot menu appears |
| 11:37.36 | ptero_ | pressing aux before, after or during the vibration? |
| 11:37.41 | blindcoder | I actually hold the freerunner sideways for that. it's easier to press the buttons that way using both hands. |
| 11:37.48 | blindcoder | mine doesn't vibrate, so I don't know. |
| 11:40.52 | blindcoder | just press aux 2-3 seconds after you started pressing power |
| 11:41.29 | ptero_ | i dunno, i didn't have problems with getting into uboot before flashing kernel and rootfs (i left uboot as it was), but now it's just pissing me off. no matter how often i try it, it just vibrates, flashes the aux led and the screen stays black |
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| 11:42.16 | blindcoder | can you get into the emergency uboot? |
| 11:42.22 | blindcoder | by pressing aux BEFORE pressing power |
| 11:42.33 | blindcoder | so press and hold aux, then also press and hold power |
| 11:42.47 | blindcoder | you should get a uboot and it should say "NOR" somewhere |
| 11:44.08 | ptero_ | nope |
| 11:44.31 | blindcoder | err |
| 11:44.34 | blindcoder | huh? |
| 11:44.59 | blindcoder | guess then you'll have to wait for someone who's had his freerunner for more than two days like me :( |
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| 11:45.33 | ptero_ | it's strange, if i just put in the battery, it boots. but if try to get to uboot, it looks bad |
| 11:45.53 | tomcatek | I've tested that what blindcored wrote and got into uboot |
| 11:46.10 | ptero_ | and if i insert the cable without having the battery in, it makes a very scary vibrating noise |
| 11:46.29 | blindcoder | you need a battery to boot if I read the wiki sites correctly |
| 11:46.53 | tomcatek | hm.. |
| 11:47.10 | badcloud | can pymixer control gsm speaker volume? |
| 11:47.53 | ptero_ | wow |
| 11:48.08 | ptero_ | i got into uboot again |
| 11:48.27 | ptero_ | it's a miracle!# |
| 11:48.31 | blindcoder | ptero_: remember that after 30 seconds of not pressing aux it'll power off |
| 11:48.46 | blindcoder | so press aux every few seconds until you've issued "setenv boot_menu_timeout 99999" |
| 11:49.06 | ptero_ | yeah, i noticed it before |
| 11:49.34 | ptero_ | (2009-07-23 13:48:13) blindcoder: and connect a terminal emulator (cu, minicom, screen) to /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 11:49.42 | ptero_ | so... how do i do that? |
| 11:49.58 | blindcoder | ptero_: you got screen installed? |
| 11:50.05 | blindcoder | then just run "screen /dev/ttyACM0" |
| 11:50.18 | blindcoder | if your linux system detected the phone correctly |
| 11:51.46 | ptero_ | Sorry, could not find a PTY |
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| 11:52.37 | ptero_ | ok, sudoed it |
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| 11:53.45 | blindcoder | ;) |
| 11:55.48 | ptero_ | bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock6 console=ttySAC2,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=4 regular_boot |
| 11:55.54 | ptero_ | bootcmd=setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel 0x200000; bootm 0x32000000 |
| 11:56.46 | blindcoder | okay, so it's booting from nand, both kernel and rootfs |
| 11:56.52 | blindcoder | is that the nor uboot or the nand uboot? |
| 11:57.09 | ptero_ | nor |
| 11:57.29 | blindcoder | okay, and you flasehed your kernel image and rootfs into nand? |
| 11:59.21 | ptero_ | probably ;) i used mo-manager (well, i do know that using gui-s is usually not a good idea, but stupid me... ;) ) and it didn't ask where to flash. i thought, i could _only_ flash nand, couldn't i? |
| 11:59.44 | blindcoder | ptero_: correct |
| 12:02.19 | blindcoder | just try to boot normally from the nor uboot |
| 12:02.51 | ptero_ | oh. right now i'm seeing in the fdom wiki page that i need an older kernel version |
| 12:02.51 | blindcoder | ptero_: if that works, you should maybe also try to flash the nand uboot. if it brings the same error as before, you should flash uboot, kernel and rootfs again |
| 12:02.58 | ptero_ | so... i'm flashing it now |
| 12:04.24 | blindcoder | ptero_: here's a howto using dfu-util: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing |
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| 12:06.50 | ptero_ | so... should i use gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin? |
| 12:07.05 | ptero_ | there's also one uboot image in testing, though |
| 12:07.22 | blindcoder | ptero_: if you have a gta02v5 or up, then yes :) |
| 12:08.48 | ptero_ | well, it is gta02 (freerunner), dunno if v5 or not ;) |
| 12:10.04 | blindcoder | hmm, I don't know how to find out, either |
| 12:10.05 | ptero_ | oh, ok i can see it in the console ;) |
| 12:10.10 | blindcoder | ah :) |
| 12:10.14 | ptero_ | GTA02v5 # |
| 12:10.23 | ptero_ | the prompt line says enough ;) |
| 12:10.35 | blindcoder | hehe ;) |
| 12:12.03 | ptero_ | ok, i guess, i'm ready to boot ;) |
| 12:12.13 | blindcoder | good luck :) |
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| 12:13.17 | ptero_ | 10x |
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| 12:21.53 | ptero_ | well, i couldn't connect yet, but at least it sees some aps now ;) |
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| 12:25.28 | ptero_ | the whole fdom ui seems very buggy, though |
| 12:27.16 | ptero_ | what's the most stable and "bugless" firmware right now, actually? |
| 12:27.32 | blindcoder | no idea, but I was suggested to use shr |
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| 12:28.20 | blindcoder | unfortunately, it can only use contacts on the sim card |
| 12:28.26 | blindcoder | at least right now |
| 12:28.36 | speedevil | blindcoder: shr-unstable? |
| 12:28.46 | blindcoder | speedevil: yes |
| 12:28.50 | speedevil | That's gfenerally recommneded as I understand it |
| 12:29.26 | blindcoder | speedevil: yeah, but I'd like to have my contacts usable, ie names longer than just the first name, more than one phone number per contact |
| 12:30.09 | speedevil | Not actually run the recent stacks. |
| 12:30.23 | blindcoder | parse error. |
| 12:32.23 | blindcoder | speedevil: what do you mean with "not actually run the recent stacks"? |
| 12:33.04 | speedevil | blindcoder: software stacks. |
| 12:33.09 | speedevil | I'm stuck on one from 2008 |
| 12:33.52 | blindcoder | ah |
| 12:34.02 | blindcoder | so you suggest I should use that? |
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| 12:41.31 | ptero_ | how do i flash shr properly, what do i need? the shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119823+d1c828aa7073b356207b967e394defb26ab4da82-r3.5-om-gta02.bin? how would i install the modules before booting? |
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| 12:43.27 | blindcoder | I never installed any modules |
| 12:43.34 | blindcoder | I installed shr to uSD |
| 12:44.23 | blindcoder | I used http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 and http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 12:44.39 | Meomer | actually why are these modules there? do they go with the tarballs? |
| 12:45.02 | blindcoder | no idea, actually |
| 12:45.28 | blindcoder | I guess it's when kernel patches are applied, you have to install them |
| 12:45.43 | blindcoder | but when you use a rootfs newer than the latest modules tarball, you don't need them |
| 12:45.54 | blindcoder | latest modules are from 08-Jul-2009 |
| 12:46.04 | blindcoder | so if you use a newer rootfs, I guess you're safe |
| 12:47.32 | CIA-55 | openmoko: 03werner * r5314 10/developers/werner/openness/oshwdr.tex: |
| 12:47.32 | CIA-55 | openmoko: Small corrections of style and scope of participation. |
| 12:47.32 | CIA-55 | openmoko: - replaced double "applying" with "applying ... in keeping with" |
| 12:47.32 | CIA-55 | openmoko: - put license names in italics, to make it clear what the exact names are |
| 12:47.33 | CIA-55 | openmoko: - added "e.g." to indicate that reviews are only one way in which developers |
| 12:47.35 | CIA-55 | openmoko: can participate |
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| 12:54.35 | badcloud | arg, shr and incall volume |
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| 13:09.26 | blindcoder | badcloud: ? |
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| 13:36.49 | CIA-55 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rb00aaa4d3cc9 10/tools/makedoc.py: fix makedoc to cope with specs without interfaces or descriptions |
| 13:36.50 | CIA-55 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r5805c2efe5c7 10/html/ (19 files): specs: regenerate |
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| 13:42.13 | CIA-55 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r8f196195d2e0 10/html/index.html: index.html: link to PIM specs |
| 13:46.10 | CIA-55 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r9a610f6f4e2e 10/html/index.html: index.html: fix typo |
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| 14:41.25 | sid_ | hi, is there a screenlocker like displaylocker/zenlock in shr with passwort request for unlocking? |
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| 15:15.24 | ptero_ | oh boy... |
| 15:15.51 | tomcatek | how is Your strugle? |
| 15:15.55 | ptero_ | and again i'm just unable to connect to my wifi network or through usb |
| 15:16.05 | ptero_ | (mokonnect |
| 15:16.42 | tomcatek | use mofi instead |
| 15:18.08 | tomcatek | You can always configure network by hand |
| 15:18.22 | tomcatek | is there any security? |
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| 15:19.29 | ptero_ | erm... dunno what you mean with security. i've got the latest shr build. no mofi there by default, so i'd need to do it another way ;) |
| 15:20.02 | tomcatek | is the networksecured in any way (WPA/WPA2/.... |
| 15:20.04 | tomcatek | ) |
| 15:20.13 | ptero_ | wpa2 |
| 15:20.26 | Meomer_ | i couldn't connect usb when i tried the lite image yesterday |
| 15:20.46 | Meomer | only thing i could was scan for aps with iwlist :) |
| 15:21.13 | tomcatek | ptero_: why is Your USB not working? |
| 15:21.30 | tomcatek | ptero_: have You tried to reboot FR? |
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| 15:22.31 | ptero_ | "ethernet device was not found in connman. do you have connman-plugin-ethernet installed?" |
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| 15:23.34 | ptero_ | it should be possible to do in the terminal, but i wasn't able to find a howto yet |
| 15:25.06 | tomcatek | ptero_: after rebooting it is like this again? |
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| 15:31.13 | ptero_ | soon i'll find out ;) |
| 15:31.25 | tomcatek | hehe |
| 15:32.12 | ptero_ | what's also bugging me - if i start the phone normally, i get a broken bootscreen. if i boot through uboot, everything looks fine |
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| 15:35.26 | blindcoder | ptero_: that's just a mbatter of adding "silent" or "quiet" (not sure) as a kernel parameter |
| 15:35.34 | blindcoder | btw, anyone experienced with pymixer? |
| 15:35.48 | blindcoder | in the shr wiki it says to set mic to 2 or 3, but here it is already on 29 |
| 15:37.08 | blindcoder | so what's correct? and could this be the reason why the people I'm calling complain about me sounding like I had bad reception? |
| 15:37.52 | blindcoder | it's a gta02a7 board, so I don't think it's the buzz bu |
| 15:37.53 | blindcoder | g |
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| 15:39.04 | ptero_ | oh, good to know |
| 15:39.19 | ptero_ | anyway, same shit here, no connection |
| 15:41.52 | ptero_ | what may be the problem with wifi though, there is an other ap with the same ssid on a different channel. so, if mokonnect only looks on ssid, it may try to connect to the other ap first |
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| 15:42.25 | ptero_ | i heard about the same problem in older windows versions ;) |
| 15:42.35 | blindcoder | ptero_: it's not even a mokonnect issue but a iwconfig issue I think. why are there even two identical ssids? |
| 15:42.52 | blindcoder | unless they have hte same config (ie for wide coverage) that should not be |
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| 15:43.51 | ptero_ | because the neighbours i'm getting internet from didn't care to change the default ssid (dlink) and the other neighbours got the same router and also left it as it was ;) |
| 15:46.28 | blindcoder | well, that sucks |
| 15:46.37 | blindcoder | you can set the channel manually |
| 15:46.44 | blindcoder | iwconfig eth0 channel 1 |
| 15:46.50 | blindcoder | but I doubt mokonnect does that |
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| 15:49.59 | rooly | doesn't like mokonnect...mofi is much better |
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| 15:52.00 | sid_ | are om2008/2009 applications compatible to shr? need a locker (with pwd). or does someone know a screenlocker for shr? i already searched e.g. via opkg |
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| 16:07.31 | ptero_ | ok, i guess, i'm pretty blind. i've read the shr page at least two times and didn't notice the usb networking link |
| 16:08.56 | tomcatek | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking |
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| 16:20.25 | ptero_ | yeah, i noticed it already ;) that's why i wrote it |
| 16:21.08 | thrashold | You wrote it? Well, thank you :) |
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| 16:21.27 | ptero_ | i'm able to ssh, but still can't get into the internet |
| 16:22.12 | ptero_ | thrashold: (irony? ok, just to be sure...) i meant my comment ;) |
| 16:22.20 | ptero_ | or my message |
| 16:22.21 | thrashold | yep, I was kidding :) |
| 16:22.39 | thrashold | For getting internet you need NAT, and DNS :) |
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| 16:23.54 | ptero_ | yeah, i got to this part already. but... i guess, i can download mofi on my pc and scp it ;) so, i'll try that first |
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| 16:24.19 | ptero_ | nat part looks scary to me right now :D |
| 16:24.35 | thrashold | It's actually pretty easy :) |
| 16:24.54 | thrashold | (Unless it doesn't work from the first time :P ) |
| 16:26.29 | ptero_ | yeah, if everything worked from the first time today, we wouldn't have this conversation right now :P |
| 16:26.52 | ptero_ | so, where do you get mofi? it doesn't seem to be in shr's opkg repo |
| 16:27.34 | blindcoder | ptero_: try the ip4ward script from shellscripts.org |
| 16:27.51 | blindcoder | hmm, haven't got it there |
| 16:29.13 | blindcoder | ptero_: http://pallas.crash-override.net/~blindcoder/ip4ward |
| 16:29.25 | blindcoder | ptero_: that sets up NAT between usb0 and eth0 |
| 16:29.36 | blindcoder | ptero_: adjust EXTIF and INTIF as you need |
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| 16:31.57 | ptero_ | extif is usb, right? |
| 16:32.04 | blindcoder | no, that's intif |
| 16:32.07 | ptero_ | ok |
| 16:32.35 | ptero_ | and i don't need vmnet0 there? |
| 16:34.48 | ptero_ | blindcoder: you're my hero :) |
| 16:35.42 | ptero_ | (yes, it worked) |
| 16:35.46 | tomcatek | ptero_: http://kenny.elblag.pl/neo.sh |
| 16:36.18 | tomcatek | this is "my" script to connect to neo. it allows to run apps on neo from console |
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| 16:36.36 | tomcatek | sets internet forwarding |
| 16:36.42 | tomcatek | and stuff |
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| 16:39.52 | ptero_ | tomcatek: well, thanks to you too :) |
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| 16:41.33 | tomcatek | no problem |
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| 16:51.48 | ptero_ | >GSM network is lost after one day of uptime: restart your FR once a day! # is that true??? |
| 16:52.05 | Blu3 | hmm |
| 16:52.15 | Blu3 | i don't lose gsm network |
| 16:52.33 | Blu3 | ophonekitd crashes very often, but restarting it is easy |
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| 16:59.41 | dos1 | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gta02-core/2009-July/000239.html |
| 17:03.33 | nullix | i am near to have everything usable with hackable1, will see if i get time to update & do some dev on it to make my bluetooth headset working with |
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| 17:04.40 | Blu3 | dos1, that new radio looks nice |
| 17:05.40 | SpeedEvil | I've also wondered about the stupid option |
| 17:05.45 | SpeedEvil | modified USB dongle |
| 17:05.52 | SpeedEvil | some of them are actually quite small |
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| 17:14.58 | SpeedEvil | Also - you can cut a hole in the PCB and get a bit more height |
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| 17:18.39 | Blu3 | speedevil, to what do you refer? modified usb dongle..? |
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| 17:19.28 | SpeedEvil | find a vendor of small USB dongles to the public. |
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| 17:19.36 | SpeedEvil | Lifetime buy one. |
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| 17:31.23 | Blu3 | *nod* |
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| 17:36.15 | SpeedEvil | On the hole in the PCB I meant simply cut a hole in the motherboard of the phone, so you can sink the module into it |
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| 18:25.42 | ptero_ | hmmh.... i'm just getting an empty white screen with mofi |
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| 18:29.24 | thrashold | Had the same experience when I installed SHR :D |
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| 18:36.16 | PaulFertser | ptero_: mofi is deprecated |
| 18:37.33 | ptero_ | is there an alternative to mokonnect and mofi with shr? |
| 18:40.05 | PaulFertser | ptero_: i use vim |
| 18:40.42 | Meomer | to configure it? |
| 18:41.37 | PaulFertser | Meomer: yes, to configure wpa_supplicant. |
| 18:41.50 | Meomer | i should probably have tried that yesterday |
| 18:43.35 | ptero_ | well, it would be an alternative. u can set up many different network connections with wpa_supplicant, right? (i mean configuring, not connecting at the same time) |
| 18:44.19 | badcloud | I think there's an app called mokonnect |
| 18:44.30 | PaulFertser | ptero_: sure |
| 18:44.32 | badcloud | it's in the opkg.org repo |
| 18:45.06 | badcloud | but I also edit /etc/network/interfaces on the fly |
| 18:45.43 | ptero_ | badcloud: mokonnect didn't work with my home network |
| 18:46.02 | badcloud | haven't used it... |
| 18:46.34 | PaulFertser | ptero_: on start wpa_supplicant just scans and chooses an appropriate entry from its config, you can have as many as you need. Though "hidden SSID" makes it more painful. I can't see any reasons to use that hidden SSID except when you're in a relatively poor area and don't want to give a clue you have computer equipment to some loosy thieves. |
| 18:47.32 | Meomer | weird, now it won't connect me just times out on the dhcp request |
| 18:48.04 | ptero_ | Meomer: yep, i have the same problem |
| 18:48.37 | ptero_ | (you mean mokonnect, right?) |
| 18:49.52 | Meomer | yes |
| 18:50.09 | Meomer | i thought it's working because it scans and finds the aps |
| 18:50.32 | Meomer | but i didn-t try to connect |
| 18:51.31 | badcloud | actually, I've been having the same problem |
| 18:51.43 | badcloud | but didn't have the time to analize it |
| 18:51.50 | ptero_ | i thought, the problem was a second network with the same ssid on another channel, but if you're having the same problem, it won't be it |
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| 18:52.48 | Meomer | i was quite happy because the update i pulled yesterday wouldn't even scan for aps :) |
| 18:53.41 | badcloud | ptero_, your logic makes sense, but I'd try another ac just to be sure |
| 18:54.21 | Meomer | i'll try updating mokonnect first |
| 18:54.47 | ptero_ | i just upgraded everything, it didn't help |
| 18:55.49 | Meomer | did that install svnr100 of mokonnect? |
| 18:56.08 | badcloud | ptero_, were you able to connect using ifup? |
| 18:57.10 | ptero_ | Meomer: i just flashed shr today and upgraded an hour ago, mokonnect wasn't upgraded |
| 18:57.53 | ptero_ | (yep, i have svnr100) |
| 18:58.14 | Meomer | i think that's the newest |
| 18:59.06 | ptero_ | badcloud: i tried connecting using wpa_supplicant, but made something wrong, can't recall what. then i decided to enable usb networking first ;) |
| 18:59.33 | ptero_ | i feel tired now, but i'll try to do it later or tomorrow |
| 19:00.33 | Meomer | i would have updated, but i don't have the nerve to configure wpa now on the fr terminal :) |
| 19:01.03 | ptero_ | Meomer: yeah, ssh is just awesome :))) |
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| 19:02.21 | jaj | hi, I was wondering, if I want a freerunner that works more or less, should I rather go for Om2009 or FDOM? |
| 19:02.51 | ptero_ | jaj: i found fdom to be extremely buggy |
| 19:03.09 | max_posedon | jaj, I suggest shr-unstable |
| 19:03.16 | ptero_ | didn't try om2009 yet, but shr-unstable is fine |
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| 19:04.09 | jaj | max_posedon: I have shr-unstable on it now and, well, I can't halt it, I can't get it reliably from standby, settings aren't kept accross reboots |
| 19:04.52 | ptero_ | (more or less, yeah. more than everything else avalible, way less than i've expected from linux :D) |
| 19:05.23 | jaj | (must refrain from trolling) |
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| 19:08.20 | badcloud | I hear you jaj |
| 19:09.07 | badcloud | I'm trying to get the PCM setting on max (alsa) on startup |
| 19:09.35 | badcloud | for some reason it won't work, even as an rc5 script |
| 19:09.55 | badcloud | but I've never had any trouble with standby |
| 19:10.02 | badcloud | are you using u-boot or qi? |
| 19:10.11 | ptero_ | btw, if there are any people who tried android (i already deleted it, but still), is there a way to leave an application without calling the virtual keyboard, pressing the "phone" button and the "back" button? it makes it completely unusable with om |
| 19:15.01 | tig| | ptero_: I have a G1 too and it isn't much better on there :) unless there is a task switcher that I have just utterly missed because it is so obvious |
| 19:15.53 | ptero_ | tig|: but g1 has a hardware button for that, doesn't it? |
| 19:16.41 | tig| | ptero_: it does but there does not seem to be a way to switch easily between running apps, you go back to them and they are either in the same state you left them or they are not |
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| 19:17.23 | tig| | it is not like in OM / SHR / FSO where you can switch between apps and they only close when you tell them too |
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| 19:20.19 | ptero_ | well, from what i've read about android, i don't like their politics a bit. can't remember everything, but it seems to be everything but "free". didn't have a chance to hold an android device in my hands myself yet, though |
| 19:20.33 | ptero_ | *anything but |
| 19:21.47 | tig| | ptero_: it is more open than the iphone but that is not really saying much :) |
| 19:23.30 | thrashold | More open than the iPhone? Isn't that another way of saying "almost completely not open"? :D |
| 19:23.52 | tig| | thrashold: exactly :) |
| 19:24.30 | thrashold | That's like saying that someone plays drums better than I do |
| 19:25.11 | jaj | om2009 is based on FSO? |
| 19:25.23 | thrashold | (I once saw drums on a picture, so this probably breaks the analogy :) ) |
| 19:25.42 | thrashold | jaj, yes |
| 19:26.04 | jaj | thrashold: thanks, that's cool |
| 19:29.17 | thrashold | However, isn't all software on Android free software? Shouldn't that be "open" and "free" enough? :) |
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| 19:33.25 | ptero_ | isn't that like you can't install non-android (gui?) software on android? |
| 19:34.46 | ptero_ | anyway, i know too little about android and ain't in a mood for a holywar :) |
| 19:35.15 | thrashold | I have no idea what they use for GUI. But that's the reason I gave up Qtopia. |
| 19:35.36 | thrashold | Which is a shame given how good Qtopia was :) |
| 19:35.52 | tig| | if you have a consumer android device you don't get a terminal or anywhere near that level of access to your device |
| 19:37.13 | thrashold | I wouldn't get such a device. :) |
| 19:37.51 | tig| | mine was a work phone so it was better than the alternatives |
| 19:38.55 | tig| | I am very pleased with how SHR is coming along though |
| 19:39.13 | tig| | I use it now as my main private phone |
| 19:39.50 | ptero_ | but it is a shame, the only stable and more or less working out of the box mobile linux distros are proprietary and restricted |
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| 19:41.03 | tig| | ptero_: well I think SHR is more or less working and is generally stable PROVIDING you don't upgrade it randomly because you saw a cool screenshot or feature on the development list you want to have a play with :) |
| 19:42.03 | tig| | it defiantly works here and over the last few weeks it is now really at the stage where it only breaks because I have done something stupid :) |
| 19:42.04 | ptero_ | yeah, i hope to get it to work great for me ;) needs lots of work, though |
| 19:42.28 | tig| | it is getting there and I think they are doing a great job :) |
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| 19:57.33 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5315 10/trunk/gta02-core/STATUS: Dave reviewed USB sheet |
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| 20:27.17 | onen|openBmap | max_posedon: thanks again for your help yesterday. but opkg upgrade was not finished this morning, and I gave up. I have reflashed ;-) |
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| 20:27.40 | jaj | for the uSD image to flash the GSM firmware, why don't you configure it in a way that the power button shuts down the phone? |
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| 20:30.40 | max_posedon | onen|openBmap, at least now you know how to update next time) |
| 20:31.19 | onen|openBmap | max_posedon: exactly! and that is a big help! thanks (have to check if wiki is updated...) |
| 20:34.11 | onen|openBmap | hi everyone. just to point you that a new release of openBmap is out :-) 0.4.0 |
| 20:34.33 | SpeedEvil | openbmap? |
| 20:34.45 | SpeedEvil | For those searching for honey? |
| 20:35.13 | onen|openBmap | just got it |
| 20:35.29 | PaulFertser | jaj: even really long press? |
| 20:35.47 | onen|openBmap | SpeedEvil: :-D never had this joke. very bad thus absolutely great |
| 20:36.18 | PaulFertser | jaj: also the recommended method (not that it has any effect, just in case) is to do that without sim inserted so you have to take out the battery anyway. |
| 20:39.13 | jaj | PaulFertser: ok :) |
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| 20:39.39 | jaj | PaulFertser: I just have some bad feeling everytime I pull the plug out of a running system |
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| 21:16.44 | onen|openBmap | max_posedon: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Opkg#Possible_Issues |
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| 21:28.57 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5316 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0026.txt): add ecn for changing sd card bus termination |
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| 21:47.45 | tim_abell | yay gprs / pidgin / irc on my neo |
| 21:48.09 | jjwc | had trouble with upgrading SHR last night. |
| 21:48.25 | jjwc | DBUS failed afterwards... |
| 21:49.50 | tordo | jjwc: you're not the only one |
| 21:50.48 | jjwc | tordo: ah, that's good to hear. :) since the openmoko community is so small, there's little information online, so solving problems is more fun that way :) |
| 21:51.06 | tordo | :) |
| 21:51.14 | tordo | the mailing list is full of it though |
| 21:51.48 | jjwc | tordo: ah, okay, I'll go take a look... I experienced the problem last night but was too tired to go investigate... just got home from work |
| 21:52.02 | tordo | jjwc: i experienced it tonight |
| 21:52.07 | tordo | and it's why i'm still awake |
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| 21:52.29 | jjwc | Heheheh |
| 21:54.32 | tordo | my own personal theory is that the opkg upgrading process got borked when it upgraded itself |
| 21:55.14 | jjwc | I see... I'm brand new to this... just received my phone yesterday, so I'm still getting used to the environment. |
| 21:55.25 | tordo | aha :) |
| 21:55.27 | tordo | congrats! |
| 21:55.33 | tordo | and welcome to sleepless night |
| 21:55.35 | jjwc | Thanks; I'm really excited to start hacking. :D |
| 21:56.28 | jjwc | As soon as my parts come in (couldn't find any smd caps around my workbench :(), I'll probably do the rework. |
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| 21:57.02 | tordo | i gotta get back from vacation first |
| 21:57.32 | tordo | but then my plan is to dismantle an old radio-controlled toycar and make an openmoko-controlled robotcar :D |
| 21:57.57 | jjwc | Hahah, nice. I imagine that this can be used as an excellent tool for controlling wireless devices. |
| 21:58.13 | tordo | yeah :D |
| 21:58.32 | tordo | USB host for some external circuitry + maybe a webcam, and loads of onboard connectivity hardware |
| 21:58.59 | jjwc | In addition to wanting to investigate writing software for small devices, I also decided to purchase this phone because I was tired of my BlackBerry w/ WiFi being locked down like hell by T-Mobile because I didn't want to buy a data plan. |
| 21:59.33 | tordo | indeed |
| 21:59.55 | jjwc | Wow, opkg seems rather, well, "full" |
| 22:00.04 | tordo | :D |
| 22:00.10 | tordo | bah |
| 22:00.21 | tordo | i'm going to bed |
| 22:00.27 | tordo | guess i'm stuck with the nokia tomorrow :( |
| 22:00.32 | jjwc | I'm an Arch Linux user... Pacman is the official package manager and it's quite lightweight compared to even this |
| 22:00.40 | jjwc | Good night; good to meet you :) |
| 22:00.45 | tordo | you too! |
| 22:01.07 | tordo | btw, it might just be the openmoko being slow, not opkg being bloat |
| 22:01.09 | tordo | but not that i know |
| 22:01.11 | tordo | good nigh! |
| 22:01.20 | jjwc | 'night |
| 22:01.34 | tobii_ | like this |
| 22:01.36 | tobii_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG3fAHFNs2c |
| 22:01.55 | tobii_ | Using Neo to control Robot |
| 22:02.10 | tordo | checks |
| 22:03.18 | jjwc | Skip to about 1:20 for action |
| 22:05.19 | tordo | woah |
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| 23:27.35 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5317 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (STATUS cpu.sch gta02-core.sch io.sch): |
| 23:27.35 | CIA-42 | openmoko: Dave reviewed IO sheet. |
| 23:27.35 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - rename ACCEL_CS to nACCEL_CS |
| 23:27.35 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - increased spacing around global labels a little |
| 23:27.35 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - Revert GPS & modem TX/RX/RTS/CTS label direction to be from the peripharals point of |
| 23:27.36 | CIA-42 | openmoko: view (as in GTA02 schematics), and renamed "TX_MODEM" to "MODEM_TX" for consistency. |
| 23:27.40 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - corrected SPI labels on debug connector - they are the WLAN spi set. |
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