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| 00:28.28 | qknight | hello |
| 00:29.21 | qknight | what fs should i use on the SD Card? |
| 00:29.39 | qknight | currenlty i have ext3 but it's corrupted |
| 00:31.20 | qknight | http://lastlog.de/misc/om-fscheck.ext3.txt <- this is the error |
| 00:33.48 | CIA-55 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5309 10/trunk/gta02-core/audio.sch: |
| 00:33.48 | CIA-55 | openmoko: - removed bead in mic bias line for now, will be covered in separate ECN |
| 00:33.48 | CIA-55 | openmoko: - changed label of vertical components |
| 00:33.48 | CIA-55 | openmoko: - changed position of some components to have 200mil between the next Object |
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| 01:01.33 | viana | hi all |
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| 01:07.04 | viana | hi all how can i get a freerunner in china? |
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| 01:31.36 | CIA-55 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5310 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (audio.sch usb.sch): |
| 01:31.36 | CIA-55 | openmoko: - added AC-Voltage Field to varistors same as in usb.sch |
| 01:31.36 | CIA-55 | openmoko: - changed field name to AC-Voltage in usb.sch |
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| 03:36.24 | rooly | hiya guys |
| 03:36.30 | rooly | just bought a 16gb sd card |
| 03:39.37 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 03:39.49 | rooly | and guess what |
| 03:39.59 | rooly | sorry, uSD card |
| 03:40.03 | rooly | and it works in the fr |
| 03:48.27 | Blu3 | what brand? |
| 04:00.26 | Slaxxer | 5.99 usd? |
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| 04:04.57 | SpeedEvil | not at 16g |
| 04:08.15 | rooly | sandisc |
| 04:09.51 | rooly | what utlities can i use to find out my disc usage |
| 04:10.56 | ndnihil | I just got a 16G card tonight too |
| 04:11.12 | ndnihil | also found a decent case for it |
| 04:11.18 | ndnihil | df |
| 04:11.23 | ndnihil | or du |
| 04:11.27 | ndnihil | to check disk usage |
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| 04:14.58 | rooly | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 04:14.58 | rooly | /dev/root 252544 143548 108996 57% / |
| 04:14.58 | rooly | none 60428 56 60372 0% /dev |
| 04:14.58 | rooly | shmfs 60428 0 60428 0% /dev/shm |
| 04:14.58 | rooly | /dev/mmcblk0p1 15549952 58464 15491488 0% /media/card |
| 04:14.58 | rooly | volatile 60428 412 60016 1% /var/volatile |
| 04:15.13 | ndnihil | http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10109388&catid=&test%5Fcookie=1 |
| 04:15.17 | ndnihil | that's the case I got |
| 04:15.32 | ndnihil | fits nice and snug, and you can slide a stylus in there without it falling out |
| 04:15.43 | ndnihil | got mine at best buy though |
| 04:15.50 | rooly | doesn't use a stylus |
| 04:15.58 | ndnihil | you must have tiny fingers |
| 04:16.06 | rooly | no, i've got big fingers |
| 04:16.17 | rooly | but the illume keyboard rocks |
| 04:16.21 | lindi- | i don't use stylus either |
| 04:16.28 | ndnihil | how can you not use stylus? |
| 04:16.34 | lindi- | we should have typing contests :) |
| 04:16.35 | ndnihil | are you oompa loompas? |
| 04:17.07 | ndnihil | I use the terminal keyboard |
| 04:17.11 | ndnihil | for shr/illume |
| 04:17.43 | rooly | i use the default for shr |
| 04:17.46 | rooly | it works |
| 04:18.05 | rooly | ...i've also just about mastered the freerunner's screen... |
| 04:18.28 | rooly | btw, 14GB |
| 04:18.32 | ndnihil | can't stand predictive txt |
| 04:18.50 | rooly | 14.9GB available on mmcblk0p1 |
| 04:19.17 | ndnihil | I've got slightly less available on mine, but I added a 128M swap partition to it |
| 04:19.37 | rooly | i usually can't either, ndnihil, but raster's keyboard and dictionary work pretty damn well |
| 04:20.08 | rooly | besides, i also have the OptimSMS keyboard, and the browser navigation keyboard installed |
| 04:20.21 | rooly | altho i prefer the predictive when i'm driving |
| 04:20.21 | ndnihil | havent tried those |
| 04:21.00 | raster | if you type english.. i've recently given the android cupcake vkbd |
| 04:21.02 | raster | it SUCKS |
| 04:21.24 | raster | on a smaller shittier gta02 screen i can type semi-sanely |
| 04:21.34 | raster | it guesses right words often or the right word is one of the top 3 |
| 04:21.35 | rooly | lol |
| 04:21.36 | ndnihil | I like the terminal keyboard, but I have to use a stylus |
| 04:21.52 | raster | the android one - only guesses words starting with the letter you pressed |
| 04:21.58 | rooly | yuck |
| 04:22.07 | rooly | loves raster's keyboard |
| 04:22.14 | raster | so if that is wrong - you are stuck trying again and again to get it right |
| 04:22.25 | raster | the illume kbd can do with refinements inb flipping modes etc. |
| 04:22.30 | raster | for usre |
| 04:22.48 | raster | but when it just comes to raw typing out an email, message or note, the thing people do 99% of the time on devices |
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| 04:22.53 | raster | android blows |
| 04:22.58 | ndnihil | havent tried it yet |
| 04:23.00 | raster | terminal kbd's are useless to 99.9% of the userbase |
| 04:23.04 | raster | (of a phone) |
| 04:23.14 | raster | if a terminal somehow works and is usable with a stylus - that's sufficient |
| 04:23.23 | ndnihil | I use terminal for pretty much everything |
| 04:23.30 | raster | because you use a stylus |
| 04:23.32 | raster | try it without |
| 04:23.36 | ndnihil | impossible |
| 04:23.41 | raster | try it with your fingers |
| 04:23.42 | raster | bingo |
| 04:23.45 | ndnihil | ive got bratwurst for fingers :) |
| 04:23.47 | raster | and that is the gta02 device |
| 04:23.53 | raster | where does the stylus go? |
| 04:23.55 | raster | or the g1 |
| 04:23.57 | raster | or iphone |
| 04:23.59 | raster | or magic... |
| 04:24.01 | ndnihil | picked up a case for it |
| 04:24.06 | raster | they are stylus-less devices |
| 04:24.07 | raster | for fingers |
| 04:24.11 | rooly | raster: the terminal mode works well without a stylus even when it's needed |
| 04:24.15 | rooly | thanks to the zoom feature |
| 04:24.15 | ndnihil | I can slide the stylus in it and it stays |
| 04:24.18 | raster | rooly: thats a bonus |
| 04:24.22 | raster | :) |
| 04:24.23 | raster | as i said |
| 04:24.28 | raster | terminal working is necessary |
| 04:24.36 | raster | ie being able to somehow get all the keys/letters u need |
| 04:24.41 | ndnihil | sometimes I use the earpiece part of my sunglasses |
| 04:24.53 | rooly | i'll admit, the ctrl key is pretty hard to get to |
| 04:25.09 | raster | but being optimal for the 99.9% use case of typing in notes, names, sms's, short emails, calendar event info etc. etc. |
| 04:25.16 | raster | is a primary role for any vkbd |
| 04:25.20 | raster | and it should do that really well |
| 04:25.28 | ndnihil | terminal is optimal for me :) |
| 04:25.36 | ndnihil | predictive stuff just slows me down |
| 04:25.41 | raster | rooly: a big problem is the gta02 has effectively like a 2.2" or 2.4" touchs-creen |
| 04:25.48 | raster | as you lose a lot thanks to the indent |
| 04:26.19 | rooly | openmoko should stay in the case-mod business for it's 2 phones |
| 04:26.56 | raster | rooly: you want a fundamental change of splitting the ts into aflat surface on top of the case above the screen |
| 04:26.59 | raster | much like the samsung monia |
| 04:27.01 | raster | omnia |
| 04:27.05 | ndnihil | I would be so very pleased if they upgraded the GSM module to dual-sim and 3G |
| 04:27.06 | raster | (thats a resistive ts) |
| 04:27.14 | raster | but gta02 isnt going to go anywhere |
| 04:27.26 | raster | so need to focus on new "current gen |
| 04:27.34 | raster | " hardware and make that work |
| 04:27.37 | raster | and make software work for it |
| 04:27.38 | ndnihil | yeah |
| 04:27.49 | ndnihil | I'd like to see linux on that new blackberry flip |
| 04:27.51 | raster | that hw will have corrrectly done ts surfaces |
| 04:27.57 | rooly | raster: not disagreeing, but a new case for the freerunner/neo1973 would be pretty nice |
| 04:27.59 | raster | faster cpu's and 3g, etc. etc. |
| 04:28.09 | raster | rooly: sure. and no glamo :) |
| 04:28.12 | rooly | lol |
| 04:28.13 | raster | just being practical :) |
| 04:28.21 | raster | om as a company ceased to "exist" |
| 04:28.27 | ndnihil | it's not dual sim, but if I only had to carry two small flip phones instead of one flip and a larger BB/FR |
| 04:28.28 | raster | it doesnt employ anyone doing anyting |
| 04:28.31 | ndnihil | it's be nice |
| 04:28.37 | ndnihil | s/it's/it'd/ |
| 04:28.40 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 04:28.45 | raster | so it's not even in the position to do a case mod |
| 04:28.46 | raster | :) |
| 04:29.41 | raster | now back to fiddling with my good hardware |
| 04:29.43 | raster | :) |
| 04:29.55 | ndnihil | what is your good hardware? |
| 04:31.39 | raster | http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1909&c=samsung_sch-m830 |
| 04:32.00 | raster | (forget the os) |
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| 04:33.19 | ndnihil | looks interesting |
| 04:33.48 | ndnihil | you've got linux on it? |
| 04:34.27 | raster | yes |
| 04:34.35 | Slaxxer | which? |
| 04:34.36 | ndnihil | is it functional? |
| 04:34.45 | ndnihil | at least gta02 level functional? |
| 04:34.49 | raster | it has made calls |
| 04:35.07 | raster | i dont have wimax going - only 1 provider here and its painful to set up |
| 04:35.17 | ndnihil | if it's dual sim I'll buy one now |
| 04:35.43 | raster | it isn't |
| 04:35.48 | raster | not that i can help u with the linux |
| 04:36.02 | raster | my linux install is direct from samsung :) |
| 04:36.03 | ndnihil | all the dual sim phones are cheap chinese junk |
| 04:36.12 | ndnihil | signed yourself an nda did you? |
| 04:36.31 | raster | i can say i have this as the phone just was recently leaked out |
| 04:36.46 | raster | but i've had it for several months |
| 04:36.58 | raster | and i do stuff for them |
| 04:37.05 | raster | what.. i can't really talk about |
| 04:37.14 | ndnihil | here's the million dollar question. is it the phone we've all been looking for (or will/could it be?) |
| 04:37.23 | raster | i doubt it |
| 04:37.36 | raster | i'll be upgrading my toys soon enough i guess |
| 04:37.52 | raster | this one is already behind the curve by a lot |
| 04:38.06 | ndnihil | can't be farther behind than the gta |
| 04:38.13 | CIA-55 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5311 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0015.txt ecn0019.txt): updated ECN0015 and ECN0019 |
| 04:38.22 | rooly | meh...not many phones have a 500mhz cpu |
| 04:38.33 | raster | the 830m is miles ahead of gta02 |
| 04:39.12 | ndnihil | how much of the driver/module base is proprietary? |
| 04:39.23 | raster | it's a s3c6410 |
| 04:39.30 | raster | samke thing gta02 was going to eventually use |
| 04:39.38 | Slaxxer | haha |
| 04:40.13 | raster | oh this is considered an old, slow and cheap cpu |
| 04:40.20 | raster | nothng you'd go actively develop a new device for |
| 04:40.30 | raster | unless you already had it on the burner |
| 04:41.02 | raster | CPU: S3C6410@533MHz Revision 0 |
| 04:41.02 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.47 | raster | drivers i guess are priorietary |
| 04:41.56 | raster | 3g/gsm for sure |
| 04:42.02 | raster | wimax - havent checked |
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| 04:42.23 | ndnihil | so nothing you could buy and spend a weekend loading linux on it |
| 04:42.43 | raster | you'd get it booting - just no modem |
| 04:42.48 | raster | and that would be a massive project |
| 04:42.53 | raster | as u have no docs - qualcomm |
| 04:43.17 | ndnihil | bastards |
| 04:43.21 | raster | but screen, ts, audio, fb, cpu,f lash, ram, power management are documented |
| 04:43.26 | raster | u'd have that |
| 04:43.51 | raster | even 2d gfx accel would work |
| 04:43.56 | raster | 3d is the world of binary blob |
| 04:44.04 | raster | no docs |
| 04:44.14 | raster | (not part of the s3d6410 tech manual) |
| 04:44.19 | raster | 2d is though |
| 04:44.25 | rooly | hmm |
| 04:44.33 | rooly | what about fake 2D like doom did |
| 04:44.42 | raster | thats just software |
| 04:44.46 | raster | thats fb |
| 04:46.10 | rooly | ic |
| 05:14.30 | rooly | horay |
| 05:14.35 | rooly | my data just kicked in |
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| 05:15.32 | SpeedEvil | Not VTEC? |
| 05:19.01 | rooly | ? |
| 05:19.04 | rooly | ... |
| 05:19.10 | rooly | my car has a vtec... |
| 05:19.15 | rooly | but that's a honda |
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| 06:25.25 | rooly | woo |
| 06:25.25 | rooly | is downloading 6 zoom levels on tangogps to his 16gb uSD card...using gprs and an unlimited data plan |
| 06:27.52 | ndnihil | nice :) |
| 06:30.56 | Blu3 | how much did the 16G uSD set you back? |
| 06:31.05 | Blu3 | wants to get a large reliable uSD card |
| 06:35.36 | ndnihil | picked mine up for $99 |
| 06:35.40 | ndnihil | sandisk |
| 06:35.44 | ndnihil | but that was at best buy |
| 06:35.48 | ndnihil | you can get better deals online |
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| 06:40.05 | rooly | same here |
| 06:40.11 | rooly | ndnihil: not much better |
| 06:40.14 | rooly | save maybe 10 bucks |
| 06:40.43 | ndnihil | hell you'd pay that in shipping |
| 06:41.56 | ndnihil | not which I'm happier about |
| 06:42.06 | ndnihil | the 16G uSD, or the case that doesnt suck |
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| 06:50.32 | Blu3 | best buy a$$ rapes you, goto pricewatch.com |
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| 06:52.24 | Blu3 | http://www.pricewatch.com/browse/flash_card_memory/microsdhc_16gb |
| 06:57.10 | Meomer | that first lists about at a third of the best buy price o.O |
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| 07:16.17 | Meomer | ok, that pricewatch page doesn't care what speed the card is it seems |
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| 07:18.50 | methril|work | good morning |
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| 07:29.22 | Blu3 | meomer, pricewatch orders by price. it's up to the vendor to state what speed the device is |
| 07:29.59 | Blu3 | but regardless, worstbuy is normally hellishly overpriced with a terrible consumer service reputation |
| 07:30.43 | Meomer | i didn't even see class 4 or 6 on swiss price comparison pages |
| 07:31.12 | Meomer | at the rate i'm going i'm gonna have that 256mb for quite some time still :) |
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| 10:46.27 | skamster | hello all.. could someone help me? i had some strange problems with opkg.. http://pastebin.org/3545 |
| 10:47.28 | skamster | i didn't think it's a package-problem, because it's the same with omnew-rotate, direct from google-code and also from the shr-repo (i use shr-unstable, last update yesterday) |
| 10:47.59 | skamster | i had also yesterday similiar problems with other packages.. |
| 10:48.06 | tig| | skamster: if this is SHR-Unstable then you need to run opkg install opkg to install the latest version of opkg first |
| 10:48.24 | tig| | IIRC that is when opkg runs out of memory |
| 10:48.43 | skamster | it said it's up to date |
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| 10:50.26 | skamster | ok, i closed now every application, and the half space is also free |
| 10:50.43 | skamster | aaand yes, it works :D |
| 10:50.46 | skamster | thanks |
| 10:52.48 | tig| | no problem |
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| 11:06.37 | blindcoder | hello. I've currently got my freerunner and am running 2008.12 from sd card. is there any way to send my caller-id? |
| 11:08.35 | thrashold | blindcoder, I think that most current distros should send the caller ID by default, and SHR has a setting for this. Ah, and don't use OM 2008. |
| 11:10.04 | blindcoder | thrashold: I also have 2009 on another partition, there it works fine |
| 11:10.20 | blindcoder | thrashold: I haven't played much with 2009 yet, though. |
| 11:10.48 | blindcoder | thrashold: mostly because I preferred the 2008 interface :) |
| 11:13.37 | thrashold | You should also try SHR. |
| 11:14.57 | blindcoder | thrashold: looks nice, I'll give it a try. |
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| 11:57.48 | Ddorda | hello |
| 11:58.57 | Ddorda | i'm helping on the Hebrew section of the wiki. i would like to know if there's any option to make the wiki rtl onky on these pages |
| 11:59.09 | Ddorda | only* |
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| 12:37.20 | Mortak | hi |
| 12:38.11 | tig| | hi |
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| 13:18.08 | sid | hi folk, i just got my gta02v06... can i use http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.12/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin for v6 too? there is no v6 uboot image |
| 13:18.46 | Wonka | sid: i think that's what the "v5_and_up" part refers to |
| 13:19.24 | sid | :-) ohh,... yes |
| 13:19.26 | sid | thx |
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| 13:45.53 | Breese_Kay | Hi,all. Does openmoko support hfs disk format by default? |
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| 13:51.40 | sid | i just updated to 2008.12. now i only have a "abc" keyboard to enter the pin. does someone know how to change it to a numeric? |
| 13:51.55 | SpeedEvil | stirs vague recollections. |
| 13:52.01 | SpeedEvil | Up-stroke over whole keyboard? |
| 13:53.49 | sid | there is no special "shift" key or someting like that. accidently i entered 1-2 times a wronge one so i have only 1-2 trys left ^^ |
| 13:54.56 | SpeedEvil | shift key? |
| 13:55.21 | SpeedEvil | As I rember - an stroke from bottom to top of the keyboard changes from alpha to numeric |
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| 13:56.18 | sid | thanks... it worked! |
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| 14:14.52 | Slaxxer | sid Bytestore had an image that had a terminal keyboard with white letters an black background |
| 14:15.04 | Slaxxer | 2008.12 |
| 14:15.28 | Slaxxer | bytestore is a user at openmoko |
| 14:17.17 | Ddorda | who's managing the wiki? |
| 14:17.55 | SpeedEvil | Ddorda: what do you mean/ |
| 14:18.06 | Ddorda | the openmoko.org site |
| 14:18.10 | Ddorda | who's managing it? |
| 14:18.20 | Ddorda | can't find any contact page |
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| 14:18.30 | SpeedEvil | If you mean who is in control of the servers - I'm unsure. |
| 14:18.40 | SpeedEvil | If you mean the wiki pages - nobody really. |
| 14:18.59 | SpeedEvil | Other than people that bother |
| 14:19.11 | Ddorda | i'm translating the wiki pages to Hebrew, but the RTLing support is awful |
| 14:19.53 | SpeedEvil | I would hesitate to say that has a purpose for most pages. |
| 14:20.14 | SpeedEvil | I hope you're trying to work out if a page is sane before translating :) |
| 14:23.00 | Ddorda | well, for now i'm just working on the "getting started" page |
| 14:23.05 | Ddorda | looks fine to me.. :P |
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| 14:56.30 | tomcatek | hello |
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| 16:44.00 | sid | how do i get a keyboard like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Vala-terminal3.png i only have the default one |
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| 16:56.17 | CIA-55 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-terminal * rfd44042538b2 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): vala-terminal: add Makefile.in.in; fix make dist |
| 16:58.01 | onen|openBmap | sid: what distribution are you using? |
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| 17:10.08 | sid | onen|openBmap: om2008.12 but i think i will switch to shr |
| 17:10.45 | onen|openBmap | sid: I think you should switch yes. om2008 is old unmaintained. (AFAIK ) |
| 17:11.15 | onen|openBmap | sid: if shr, for now, (until new testing is out), pick the unstable version, not the testing |
| 17:11.40 | sid | onen|openBmap: or is 2009 better? i just installed illume but it crashed |
| 17:12.20 | onen|openBmap | sid: om2009 is better. but I am not sure of the future of this version though |
| 17:12.29 | onen|openBmap | sid: I know shr is being actively developed |
| 17:12.33 | sid | onen|openBmap: ok. its my first day with the freerunner, so i have many questions :-) |
| 17:12.39 | sid | ok. i will use shr |
| 17:12.49 | onen|openBmap | sid: Hackable 1 too. Debian. Others I don't know :-( |
| 17:13.24 | onen|openBmap | sid: sorry have to go now. bbl. |
| 17:13.24 | onen|openBmap | sid: will gladly answer your questions |
| 17:13.48 | sid | onen|openBmap: thanks... bye |
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| 17:42.56 | onen|openBmap | sid: ping |
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| 17:46.26 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: hi |
| 17:46.41 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: hi, what can I do for you :-) |
| 17:46.53 | tomcatek | if You are so hapefully to answear questions, maybyw I han have some for You :] |
| 17:47.05 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: he he ;-) |
| 17:47.08 | tomcatek | have You tried om_2009? |
| 17:47.13 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: no |
| 17:47.27 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: shr and debian |
| 17:47.32 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: and android |
| 17:48.02 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: I've tried to use all OMs, debian and some early qtopia |
| 17:48.21 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: but none of them were OK for everyday usage |
| 17:48.32 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: what are you looking for? an everyday capable phone? |
| 17:48.38 | tomcatek | hehe |
| 17:48.53 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: I still use my FR only for dev |
| 17:49.03 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: a bit. I'm using now FR and my old phone at the sime time |
| 17:49.08 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: but I hear many people saying they are happy with shr |
| 17:49.31 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: I'm afraid I haven |
| 17:49.36 | tomcatek | 't tried this one |
| 17:49.39 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: you don't need an everyday capable phone to use openBmap thought :P |
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| 17:50.46 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: except (maybe) om2009, the others are not good enough I think |
| 17:50.51 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: give shr a try |
| 17:51.01 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: with OM_2009 it is very close to it |
| 17:51.11 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: but the unstable, until a new testing is out |
| 17:52.11 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: there is also Hackable 1. They focus on stability for what I have understood. it uses the gui from om2007 (if I recall the name correctly) |
| 17:52.36 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: only 3 things are missing for me: usable GPRS (but there is some interface, haven't investigated it yet), no MMS, and no GPS usage |
| 17:53.09 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: I run shr most of the time, and sometimes debian |
| 17:53.47 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: gps works, gprs tested under shr worked but not stable (not sure who's guilty), mms no idea |
| 17:54.12 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: I talk here of being able to turn gps on/off with my fingers, not ssh or terminal |
| 17:54.28 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: I talk about a "real" phone usage ;-) |
| 17:56.44 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: it depends, what do You think is THE real phone usage :) |
| 17:57.39 | Ddorda | does any distibuter of OM can sell it any price he wants? |
| 17:58.53 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: he he, correct, some wonder why we have a screen on the phoen :P |
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| 17:59.31 | Ddorda | ..? |
| 18:00.09 | Ddorda | i would like to buy an OM, on US, where can i find the prices? |
| 18:00.12 | max_posedon | Ddorda, yes, of course |
| 18:00.30 | Ddorda | max_posedon: so where can i find the prices of each distibuter? |
| 18:00.34 | max_posedon | openmoko.com -> store, go through all links |
| 18:00.56 | Ddorda | max_posedon: i saw that, but it doesn;t have the prices of each country |
| 18:01.24 | max_posedon | each country? I don't understand you |
| 18:01.40 | max_posedon | for example there no price for Belarus, because nobody sell in Belarus |
| 18:02.07 | Ddorda | max_posedon: but can be ordered from the company - no? |
| 18:02.38 | max_posedon | price doesn't depend on from where order, diff can be only with delivery |
| 18:03.08 | Ddorda | so it doesn't matter which distibuter i take then? |
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| 18:04.38 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: for me "real usage" of the phone is: well calling ;), internet usage (wifi/gprs), messages, GPS (inclouding map downloading via GPRS), web browsing... maybye some games |
| 18:05.07 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: and OM2009 have only those 3 issues |
| 18:05.27 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: as I said earlier, I use my FR for dev, not as daily phone. so cannot say more than try shr ;-) |
| 18:06.05 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: but I'm pretty sure, that GPS problem can be easly resolved by very basic script like "echo 1 > (path) |
| 18:06.05 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: and install openBmap, don't forget! |
| 18:06.11 | tomcatek | omm.. |
| 18:06.12 | tomcatek | ok.. |
| 18:06.15 | tomcatek | I |
| 18:06.16 | tomcatek | I |
| 18:06.17 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: it is available under om2009, shr and debian |
| 18:06.19 | tomcatek | wr |
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| 18:06.37 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: whar does it do? |
| 18:08.49 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: we log gps position together with gsm cells seen data. we build a database. then it allows to be processed to build a "map of coverage" database, that you can have on your phone |
| 18:09.03 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: you can use it to get your location without gps |
| 18:09.14 | tomcatek | cool |
| 18:09.22 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenBmap |
| 18:09.27 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: just started installing |
| 18:09.41 | Ddorda | max_posedon: ..? |
| 18:09.43 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: under om200? 8? |
| 18:09.47 | tomcatek | 9 |
| 18:09.51 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: om2009 |
| 18:10.08 | max_posedon | Ddorda, I suggest nearest |
| 18:10.09 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: 0.3.2 or 0.4.0 version? (of openBmap) |
| 18:11.20 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: 0.3.0-r1 |
| 18:11.48 | Ddorda | max_posedon: thanks |
| 18:11.55 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: hugh!??? I though they were following the packages from fso feeds |
| 18:12.23 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: you can use it. but I recommend you to download last version (new gui!) |
| 18:12.30 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: 2 sec, I find you the link |
| 18:12.42 | tomcatek | i can use google myself ;) |
| 18:13.27 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t/openbmap-logger_0.4.0-r0_armv4t.ipk |
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| 18:17.18 | onen|openBmap | Zorkman: hi. new openBmap has hit shr and debian feed! |
| 18:17.23 | onen|openBmap | Zorkman: you can now install it :-) |
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| 18:21.27 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: is there possibility to download data from others users from my country? |
| 18:21.45 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: I can see "upload" button, so there have to be some data :] |
| 18:22.56 | tomcatek | hmm.. |
| 18:22.57 | Zorkman | onen|openBmap: I'm booting up the fr :) |
| 18:23.27 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: to upload data, I need login and password. Where do I need to register? |
| 18:23.43 | Zorkman | tomcatek: http://realtimeblog.free.fr/register.php |
| 18:24.16 | tomcatek | Zorkman: thanks |
| 18:24.35 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: we build a sql script available for download, to fill a sqlite file. I am about to start working on a dbus service to get your location on your phone |
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| 18:25.05 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: www.openBmap.org |
| 18:25.37 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: but the upload button is always available, even if no log file is avaialble |
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| 18:27.36 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: hehe... I hope, You will be able to correct that in next version |
| 18:29.02 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: this not a bug. it will return right away, saying it uploaded 0 log :P |
| 18:30.21 | tomcatek | hehe |
| 18:30.26 | tomcatek | but what for? |
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| 18:33.05 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: ok.. there is a possibility to upload the data. but is there possibility to download it? |
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| 18:33.44 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: I'd like to have all data gathered by people from my country |
| 18:33.47 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: what data precisely |
| 18:34.03 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: location of cells |
| 18:34.48 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: you can download all the raw data people have sent (when you upload the xml files are placed in a specific folder, pleaser see README) |
| 18:35.04 | tomcatek | hmmm.. |
| 18:35.22 | tomcatek | is looking for README |
| 18:35.24 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: you can download too, the sql statement to build a sqlite file with position of all the cells (this is built from the raw data) |
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| 18:35.57 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: let me be more precise:1. your xml files are moved to Processed_logs folder after upload, gui asks if you want to delete it |
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| 18:36.11 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: 2. raw data avaialble for download on the website |
| 18:36.34 | onen|openBmap | 3. generated sql statements for gsm cell position available for download on our website |
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| 18:38.53 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: I'm reading http://myposition.wiki.sourceforge.net/User_guide |
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| 18:40.12 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: and there is wroten about some buttons like "Screen off", some checkboxes, and I can't see it on my FR |
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| 18:41.58 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: hmm...m gui in 0.4 is a bit different then this on that site |
| 18:42.33 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: no this is for the windows mobile version. forget it |
| 18:43.05 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: README should be brought with the package, on your phone |
| 18:43.17 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: this describe what you have in hands :-) |
| 18:43.32 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: ok... searching |
| 18:43.51 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: IIRC /usr/share/openBmap/README |
| 18:44.35 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: thanks... reading |
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| 18:56.43 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: question: |
| 18:57.04 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: how does the application knows, that GPS is running OK? |
| 18:57.55 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: does it uses gpsd or tries to contact the device via TTY? |
| 18:59.25 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: I'm asking, becouse i know, that GPS confguration in not OK on my FR, and the application shows everything OK |
| 18:59.57 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: the app is using fso |
| 19:00.06 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: thus ogpsd and ogsmd dbus services |
| 19:00.20 | tomcatek | hmm.. |
| 19:00.32 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: it uses ogpsd, not gpsd |
| 19:00.52 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: on OM distributions there is fso-gpsd |
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| 19:01.23 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: yes. it is a compatibility layer. under the hood: ogpsd, but a gpsd interface for apps using it |
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| 19:01.43 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: but you should not have fso-gpsd and gpsd packages installed together |
| 19:01.59 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: I do have :) |
| 19:02.10 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: bad you :P |
| 19:02.43 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: I know how to fix that |
| 19:03.00 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: uninstall gpsd, and restart fso-gpsd |
| 19:03.04 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: I'm using FR for quite long time :] |
| 19:03.30 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: then why do you have gspd and fso-gpsd installed together :P ? |
| 19:03.55 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: since new kernel, the path to device has changed, and powering on is different then in old distributions |
| 19:04.39 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: i have botj of them, becouse I wos playing around with gpsd |
| 19:06.20 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: some applications needs gpsd. like tangogps and gpsdrive |
| 19:06.25 | tomcatek | unfortunately :/ |
| 19:07.25 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: but for what I have understood, fso-gpsd will expose an interface like gpsd. but under it runs in fact ogpsd, doesn't it? |
| 19:07.51 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: thus tango and others works perfectly with only fso-gpsd |
| 19:10.15 | dos1 | gpsd is not needed with fso-gpsd |
| 19:10.36 | dos1 | fso-gpsd is wrapper for ogpsd/gypsy interface to immitate gpsd |
| 19:10.38 | dos1 | as onen|openBmap said |
| 19:10.45 | dos1 | so tomcatek, you're wrong ;P |
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| 19:14.37 | onen|openBmap | dos1: hey, how are things going? Nick is very interested by your 3g stick experiment :-) |
| 19:15.02 | dos1 | onen|openBmap: it works :) |
| 19:15.03 | onen|openBmap | dos1: and he also told me he finds the coverage getting out of countries bad publicity for our projet, and thus has corrected some |
| 19:15.22 | onen|openBmap | dos1: do you plan to document it or sth? |
| 19:15.40 | dos1 | onen|openBmap: but now only with two openBmap-logger instances |
| 19:16.30 | onen|openBmap | dos1: you may (probability very very low) encounter concurent access to the files with two instances running |
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| 19:17.24 | onen|openBmap | dos1: if you document your fso/modem part, I modify the client to handle both at a time, what do you say ? ;-) |
| 19:18.09 | tomcatek | that looked (sounded??) almost like a bribe :] |
| 19:19.05 | dos1 | onen|openBmap: that's only s/ogsmd/oumtsd/, nothing more ;) |
| 19:19.27 | dos1 | onen|openBmap: your idea is ok, to have configurable list for o*d services (ogsmd, oumtsd, ouberloggerd :P) |
| 19:19.40 | onen|openBmap | dos1: are we off topic here maybe? |
| 19:20.10 | onen|openBmap | dos1: :-D lol, still waiting for your überloggerd implementation ;-) |
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| 19:41.11 | CIA-55 | openmoko: 03werner * r5312 10/developers/werner/openness/ (. Makefile oshwdr.tex): |
| 19:41.11 | CIA-55 | openmoko: First draft version of a short description of the principles and benefits |
| 19:41.11 | CIA-55 | openmoko: of Open Source Hardware, and the requirements it has on component vendors. |
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| 19:49.12 | tomcatek | hmm.. |
| 19:49.37 | tomcatek | I'm just trying to download SHR installation files. |
| 19:50.07 | tomcatek | on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR there are links to kernel and flash image files |
| 19:50.46 | tomcatek | but when I'm trying to download kernel, I get 403 error. |
| 19:51.10 | tomcatek | Could anyone responsible for SHR correct those links? |
| 20:05.50 | tim_abell | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 20:05.54 | tim_abell | work 4 me |
| 20:06.02 | tim_abell | tomcatek |
| 20:06.35 | tomcatek | :/ |
| 20:06.43 | tomcatek | strange |
| 20:06.46 | tim_abell | oh, it's still pointing at testing |
| 20:06.49 | tim_abell | i'll correct it |
| 20:07.16 | tim_abell | i hadn't noticed those links when i updated that bit |
| 20:07.18 | tomcatek | my wget tells me #403 on that image |
| 20:07.49 | tomcatek | but i got images from http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D |
| 20:09.51 | tim_abell | corrected the two links |
| 20:09.52 | tim_abell | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=SHR&diff=73028&oldid=72991 |
| 20:10.36 | CIA-55 | openmoko: 03werner * r5313 10/developers/werner/openness/ (Makefile oshwdr.tex): Added a description of the purpose of the document. |
| 20:10.47 | tim_abell | i just hosed my shr, so am re-downloading and happened to be on that page |
| 20:14.28 | tomcatek | :] |
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| 20:47.06 | tomcatek | dos1: polecasz illume czy illume SHR? |
| 20:47.20 | dos1 | no skoro to SHR, no to raczej illume-shr, nie? ;P |
| 20:47.25 | tomcatek | hehe |
| 20:52.33 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: dos1: skraba dobre noce privet labas buña ziua |
| 20:53.04 | onen|openBmap | has a broken irc clietn, mixes all the letters in words ;-) |
| 20:53.06 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: sorry... I wrote on wrong channel :/ |
| 20:53.14 | onen|openBmap | tomcatek: :-D |
| 20:53.51 | tomcatek | onen|openBmap: i tought I'm on #openmoko.pl ;] |
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| 20:55.43 | dos1 | oh, and i didn't notice it isn't .pl :D when i saw polish word i assumed it's polish channel :D |
| 20:55.54 | dos1 | s/word/words/ |
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| 20:56.00 | tomcatek | but I DO hope, I'll be able to configure quick lunch later : |
| 20:56.11 | dos1 | tomcatek: it isn't used at all |
| 20:56.37 | tomcatek | well.. |
| 20:56.39 | dos1 | tomcatek: first boot wizard in SHR looks just like "english, illume shr, next, next, next, next, boot" :D |
| 20:57.01 | dos1 | i want to replace it with our app, but i'm too lazy for doing that now ;d |
| 20:57.02 | tomcatek | I've just installed SHR and it have it place in the installer |
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| 20:57.42 | tomcatek | :] |
| 20:57.59 | tomcatek | dos1: oukey.... |
| 20:58.16 | tomcatek | hmm.. |
| 20:58.22 | tomcatek | looks nice |
| 20:58.52 | tomcatek | dos1: does it needs to tweak audio with Your config? |
| 20:59.39 | dos1 | tomcatek: it depends, every device works differently regarding audio |
| 20:59.46 | tomcatek | hehe |
| 20:59.48 | dos1 | tomcatek: in most cases you have to tweak your own state file |
| 21:00.39 | tomcatek | dos1: I used Yours, and it worked execly as You described |
| 21:01.03 | tomcatek | dos1: btw, it's strange, that we speak in english ;) |
| 21:01.26 | dos1 | i'm just used to talk about openmoko in english :D |
| 21:01.44 | tomcatek | well.. |
| 21:01.45 | tomcatek | i have to use english every day at work |
| 21:01.46 | tomcatek | : |
| 21:01.47 | tomcatek | :] |
| 21:02.14 | max_posedon | at least you have same abc for your and enlish languages) |
| 21:02.56 | dos1 | max_posedon: zażóÅÄ gÄÅlÄ
jaźl :P |
| 21:03.09 | tomcatek | hueheuheueh |
| 21:03.10 | tomcatek | lol |
| 21:03.16 | max_posedon | а ÑÑо ÑÑ Ð´ÑмаеÑÑ Ð¾ ÑÑÑÑком? |
| 21:03.28 | max_posedon | compare) |
| 21:03.42 | dos1 | ;D |
| 21:04.51 | tomcatek | i got just "N?" lots of times :] |
| 21:05.17 | max_posedon | you don't use utf8 in this case |
| 21:05.24 | max_posedon | (it was russian) |
| 21:05.34 | tomcatek | nope |
| 21:05.36 | tomcatek | iso |
| 21:06.20 | onen|openBmap | max_posedon: I saw it correclty. But I think you made a mistake, it third person past tense, thus incorrect ;-) :-P |
| 21:07.39 | max_posedon | onen|openBmap, it was correct, just some commas missing) |
| 21:08.03 | max_posedon | and in russian we haven't any rules between past tense and `third person` |
| 21:08.43 | onen|openBmap | max_posedon: ;-) |
| 21:19.43 | CIA-55 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc6299e2fc43b 10/libfsobasics/fsobasics/logger.vala: fsobasics: fix warning in logger |
| 21:22.20 | CIA-55 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0b4525783317 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/alsa.vala: fsoframework: alsa.vala: remove warning |
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| 21:41.17 | jjwc | just received his Neo FreeRunner today :) |
| 21:42.19 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 21:43.10 | mwester | starts the "What the h*** is this thing good for anyway?!?!!!" countdown timer. |
| 21:43.16 | ndnihil | hahah |
| 21:44.08 | jjwc | Heheheh... I think I knew what I was getting into... i'm interested in doing some hacking for it eventually. |
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| 22:14.26 | tomcatek | anyone from SHR team that late? |
| 22:14.49 | tomcatek | I'm facing a real problem in entering my PIN |
| 22:16.10 | tomcatek | "dialer" application doesn't ask |
| 22:16.33 | tomcatek | and crush whenI'm trying to dial a number |
| 22:18.32 | tomcatek | hmm.. |
| 22:18.57 | tomcatek | dialer and contacts crush with "gegmentation fault" |
| 22:19.05 | tomcatek | *segmentanion |
| 22:19.56 | rhaeder | segmentation :) |
| 22:20.21 | max_posedon | sometimes reboot helps |
| 22:20.30 | tomcatek | it will i hope.. |
| 22:20.51 | tomcatek | now, notthing can connect to FSO |
| 22:21.18 | tomcatek | (wifi or bluetooth in "settings") |
| 22:21.36 | tomcatek | but I wanted to report that abnormal baheviour |
| 22:21.48 | tomcatek | to some responsible people.. |
| 22:22.02 | tomcatek | but unfortunately both of them are asleep ;) |
| 22:27.46 | tomcatek | hmm.. |
| 22:28.04 | tomcatek | I've rebooted the FR and still got the same error |
| 22:32.04 | tomcatek | [21474630.825000] JFFS2 warning: (1458) jffs2_sum_write_data: Not enough space for summary, padsize = -495 |
| 22:32.04 | tomcatek | [21474708.845000] Alignment trap: shr-dialer (1494) PC=0x402e0270 Instr=0xe5900000 Address=0x00000001 FSR 0x013 |
| 22:32.04 | tomcatek | root@om-gta02 ~ $ df -h |
| 22:32.04 | tomcatek | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 22:32.04 | tomcatek | /dev/root 252544 120384 132160 48% / |
| 22:32.06 | tomcatek | none 60428 52 60376 0% /dev |
| 22:32.08 | tomcatek | /dev/mmcblk0 3917216 71892 3646336 2% /media/mmcblk0 |
| 22:32.10 | tomcatek | shmfs 60428 0 60428 0% /dev/shm |
| 22:32.12 | tomcatek | volatile 60428 332 60096 1% /var/volatile |
| 22:32.14 | tomcatek | root@om-gta02 ~ $ |
| 22:32.16 | tomcatek | errormessage |
| 22:41.16 | tomcatek | hmm.. |
| 22:41.26 | tomcatek | strange behaviour: |
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