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| 03:34.01 | rooly | is gonna start learning qt |
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| 03:38.08 | tae | has been using pygtk |
| 03:38.47 | rooly | would, but qt is what's on his phone right now, and it'll be compatible with all the other os's anyway |
| 03:40.24 | Slaxxer | really rooly? |
| 03:40.30 | Slaxxer | haha |
| 03:40.37 | rooly | yeah, pretty much |
| 03:40.43 | rooly | what's to lose |
| 03:40.48 | Slaxxer | qtI? |
| 03:40.55 | rooly | qt moko |
| 03:41.02 | Slaxxer | i broke my screen |
| 03:41.11 | rooly | i'm the one laughing now |
| 03:41.25 | Slaxxer | so what u do to fix |
| 03:42.09 | Slaxxer | i remover the display from the motherboard |
| 03:42.21 | rooly | i'd assume you replace it somehow |
| 03:42.21 | Slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.57 | Slaxxer | two sidded sticky tape |
| 03:43.27 | rooly | ... |
| 03:43.31 | rooly | they make that |
| 03:43.38 | rooly | find it at the school supplies store |
| 03:43.47 | Slaxxer | its already there i need a screen |
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| 05:17.36 | BillK | I just updated and started to build an image but its hung at |
| 05:17.39 | BillK | NOTE: Handling BitBake files: | (3592/6569) [54 %] |
| 05:17.54 | BillK | for the last two hours - anyone else seeing this? |
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| 08:28.31 | methril|work | morning |
| 08:28.59 | real_ate | methril|work: morning ;) |
| 08:29.11 | tig| | morning |
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| 09:44.57 | cichlid | hi |
| 09:45.19 | cichlid | my sound system on shr-unstable is currently down |
| 09:45.32 | cichlid | listening an audio file with mplayer gives me: |
| 09:45.49 | cichlid | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 09:45.57 | cichlid | Starting playback... |
| 09:45.57 | cichlid | A: 0.5 (00.5) of 212.0 (03:32.0) ??,?% |
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| 09:48.15 | cichlid | wondering what's wrong and if someone already reported some issue like that |
| 09:48.16 | lindi- | cichlid: why are you using OSS? |
| 09:48.27 | cichlid | thats the default setup lindi- |
| 09:48.39 | lindi- | cichlid: better change it |
| 09:48.46 | cichlid | yes i would |
| 09:48.58 | cichlid | but alsaconf always crash |
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| 09:49.59 | dos1 | cichlid: if you can't use ALSA directly, then use aoss wrapper |
| 09:50.03 | dos1 | but not OSS directly! |
| 09:50.13 | dos1 | using OSS breaks audio on FR ;P |
| 09:51.32 | lindi- | cichlid: where does it crash? |
| 09:51.59 | cichlid | root@om-gta02 ~ $ sh /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
| 09:52.06 | cichlid | Error, dialog or whiptail not found. |
| 09:52.28 | dos1 | cichlid: why do you need alsaconf? |
| 09:52.34 | lindi- | cichlid: why do you use "sh"? |
| 09:53.01 | cichlid | good questions |
| 09:53.32 | cichlid | ... So to get started with a working alsa config, what do you suggest me to do, please :) |
| 09:54.14 | cichlid | dos1, most of the time i use alsaconf straight off installing a new OS and to get my sound card working |
| 09:54.19 | lindi- | cichlid: my alsa configuration file is empty I think |
| 09:54.48 | dos1 | cichlid: alsa works on FR out of box |
| 09:55.37 | cichlid | hmmm, suspect the resume process to mess everything around |
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| 09:56.07 | PBeck | hi |
| 09:56.24 | dos1 | cichlid: here ALSA works perfectly before and after suspend |
| 09:56.43 | dos1 | cichlid: (unless you have speech-dispatcher installed, which uses OSS and breaks everything :P) |
| 09:57.25 | cichlid | ok that's the issue, man |
| 09:58.07 | cichlid | i installed navit and speech-dispatch was a dependency |
| 10:01.52 | dos1 | cichlid: you can opkg remove -force-depends speech-dispatcher |
| 10:02.37 | cichlid | ok |
| 10:02.53 | cichlid | thx |
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| 11:22.50 | pieterc | can someone explain nethack to me :p |
| 11:22.53 | pieterc | i don't get the point;) |
| 11:23.20 | SpeedEvil | It's basically a single player dungeon adventure. |
| 11:23.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | pieterc: handy if you onlyhave a tty :) |
| 11:23.42 | SpeedEvil | The aim is to obtain the amulet of yendor, and ascend with it. |
| 11:24.03 | pieterc | I am playing it atm... Only i don't get the "why am i doing this" ;) |
| 11:24.15 | pieterc | I died 10 times yet |
| 11:24.15 | pieterc | :( |
| 11:24.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | darn you people, i just attempted to 'cast remove-kernel' :P |
| 11:24.20 | pieterc | I don't get what i do wrong :p |
| 11:24.51 | SpeedEvil | Initially, you want to carefully pick your fights, and use your pet to advantage. |
| 11:24.52 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 11:25.01 | SpeedEvil | and #nethack might be more on-topic :) |
| 11:25.13 | pieterc | right :p, i'm sorry ;) |
| 11:25.46 | SpeedEvil | Nethack is - IMO - awesome. |
| 11:26.05 | SpeedEvil | Though not really ideal for small devices. |
| 11:26.20 | pieterc | hmm |
| 11:26.26 | pieterc | You finished the game yet? |
| 11:26.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | bsd-tetris > nethack |
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| 11:26.53 | SpeedEvil | pieterc: yes, several times. |
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| 11:27.19 | SpeedEvil | Though so far all in rather cheesy ways. |
| 11:28.06 | SpeedEvil | Nethack is to tetris as tetris is to snap. |
| 11:28.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 11:28.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm not fast enough for snap :( |
| 11:29.02 | SpeedEvil | Multiplayer nethack would be _so_ awesome (but fundamentally impossible) |
| 11:29.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | there is 'hack' which iirc is multiplayer |
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| 11:29.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | goes to check his memory |
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| 11:30.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | no, i was thinking of hunt, slightly different. |
| 11:30.44 | SpeedEvil | There are various attempts - they all suffer from the fundamental flaw that nethack being turn based - lets you take as long as you like, and think as hard as you want for half an hour - and then get killed next move. |
| 11:30.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 11:31.17 | SpeedEvil | It gives you the illusion that you can play perfectly. |
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| 12:25.06 | __jan__ | hi |
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| 12:31.09 | naught101 | hrm... pretty sure that tinyurl in the topic has the wrong redirect target |
| 12:32.02 | naught101 | anyway... does anyone know a) if it's possible to get a freerunner with an australian power supply, and b) if it's possible to get the a7 anywhere? |
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| 12:35.58 | laotseu | strange, it seems that my om2008 doesn't see my SD card ... |
| 12:36.00 | laotseu | root@om-gta02:~# mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt/ |
| 12:36.00 | laotseu | mount: /dev/mmcblk0p1 is not a valid block device |
| 12:36.33 | laotseu | i've read about issues using some specials SD but this one is the one provided with my phone |
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| 13:00.34 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> Newsflash: Openmoko puts further phone models on ice, support for present models continues with limited resources | Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join#openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org/ | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | make sure to check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 |
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| 13:37.32 | pabs3 | anyone know of a kernel that works with SHR and doesn't get WSOD in cold environments? |
| 13:41.12 | larsc | pabs3: cold environments? do keep your phone in a fridge? |
| 13:41.24 | pabs3 | heheh |
| 13:42.03 | pabs3 | no, but lower temperatures in early mornings trigger the WSOD as usual |
| 13:42.42 | larsc | pabs3: how low? |
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| 13:44.20 | pabs3 | haven't measured, its the same WSOD bug that has been around since 2.6.24 days |
| 13:47.23 | pabs3 | thought it had be fixed |
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| 13:51.53 | larsc | pabs3: I don't want to know a accurate temprature, but cold is relative. Less then 10°C? Less then 0°C? |
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| 13:52.17 | pabs3 | I'd guess less than 15C |
| 13:52.19 | lindi- | pabs3: what does the temperature sensor report? |
| 13:52.42 | pabs3 | its not cold enough right now, I'll take a look tomorrow |
| 13:52.49 | pabs3 | anyways this is the bug http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841 |
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| 13:58.00 | tae | how do i get qi to boot my usd openmoko installation? |
| 13:58.43 | tae | i added a file /boot/append-GTA02 with root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 13:59.05 | larsc | pabs3: I'll put my neo into the fridge later to see if it still triggers with recent xf86-video-glamo and kernel versions |
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| 13:59.19 | tae | still boots from builtin flash |
| 13:59.38 | pabs3 | larsc: which kernel/etc versions? |
| 14:00.09 | lindi- | larsc: give me some specific versions to test and i'll test when I have time :) |
| 14:00.22 | larsc | openwrt-trunk for the kernel and HEAD for xf86-video-glamo |
| 14:00.31 | lindi- | larsc: ah andy-tracking branch does not cut it? |
| 14:01.11 | larsc | my kernel patches have not been merged in andy-tracking |
| 14:01.31 | lindi- | larsc: ah |
| 14:02.34 | larsc | but you could try and see if it's fixed with xf86-video-glamo changes only |
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| 14:09.49 | tae | anybody booting from sd? |
| 14:10.47 | pabs3 | boots from uboot on flash to SHR on uSD |
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| 14:11.29 | laotseu | somebody for my SD problem ? :) |
| 14:11.32 | tae | hm i installed qi |
| 14:11.52 | tae | it keeps booting from the builtin flash |
| 14:12.01 | pabs3 | I'm only using uboot cause I need a boot menu (lots of distros) |
| 14:12.09 | pabs3 | Qi with uSD worked too |
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| 14:12.26 | tae | i only use one distro |
| 14:12.42 | tae | official openmoko |
| 14:13.39 | tae | it does boot if i press aux then choose the usd |
| 14:14.07 | tae | but automatically it goes into the 'wrong' distro |
| 14:15.02 | lindi- | tae: "it"? |
| 14:15.14 | tae | the phone |
| 14:15.24 | lindi- | tae: ah so not Qi |
| 14:15.34 | tae | well yes specifically qi |
| 14:16.15 | lindi- | tae: ah, was just confused since you talked about choosing usd from menu |
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| 14:18.31 | tae | if i press down aux and the powerbutton i get into the NOR and choose 'boot from microSD' it works and the phone boots up into the correct distro |
| 14:18.51 | tae | but if i just press 'on' and let it be it boots into the 'wrong' distro (built in memory) |
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| 14:25.19 | lindi- | tae: yes that is u-boot |
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| 14:26.26 | pabs3 | tae: what files do you have in /boot on the SD card partitions? |
| 14:29.32 | pabs3 | according to the Qi wiki page they need to be named /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin |
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| 14:37.57 | tae | pabs3: well it seems to boot fine from NOR |
| 14:38.07 | tae | so i think the usd card is setup properly |
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| 14:47.41 | pabs3 | tae: uboot is far more flexible wrt to kernel image names |
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| 14:53.57 | tae | i dont really want to change bootloader again |
| 14:54.05 | tae | hmm |
| 14:55.02 | tae | i read uboot is depricated |
| 14:55.37 | pabs3 | thats what they say |
| 14:57.31 | tae | now i get " Kernel panic - not syncing : no init found .try passing init= option to kernel" |
| 14:57.49 | tae | NOR still boots without any problem (uboot) |
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| 15:07.35 | Martix | hi, how long stay FR in call/standby/suspend? |
| 15:09.35 | tae | ah got it working |
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| 15:16.23 | pabs3 | Martix: depends on the software (kernel/etc) and which bits of hardware are turned on and how much power they are set to use (for eg the screen brightness) |
| 15:17.02 | agg1n | dos1: how can i tell a evas object to fill 70% of the horizontal available space? |
| 15:17.07 | tae | does shr use paroli? |
| 15:17.16 | dos1 | agg1n: ask raster |
| 15:17.17 | Martix | eg. with Om 2009? |
| 15:17.45 | dos1 | agg1n: i'm always doing it by trying ;x |
| 15:18.37 | agg1n | dos1: i dont find any documentation about those weight and align methods -_- |
| 15:19.20 | dos1 | agg1n: as i |
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| 15:47.24 | dos1 | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/980c2dc265698c4318036ce2edb0b858.png |
| 15:47.25 | dos1 | LOL :D |
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| 16:05.40 | Fougner | Good evening |
| 16:05.42 | Fougner | =) |
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| 17:04.02 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07cornucopia * r92306b51d876 10/libfsotransport/tests/testtransport.vala: |
| 17:04.02 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: libfsotransport: add missing cast to char[] in testtransport.vala |
| 17:04.02 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
| 17:04.02 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <seba.dos1@gmail.com> |
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| 17:25.30 | RamsesFSFE | hi all |
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| 17:27.53 | RamsesFSFE | I have a problem with Qt Extended: At incoming calls, I don't hear the other person. With outgoing calls, everything is perfect. Any idea? |
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| 19:22.27 | tae | anybody tried that neo theme for shr/openmoko ? |
| 19:22.52 | tae | http://jmccloud.jm.funpic.de/?p=54 |
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| 20:33.33 | Darkas | hi |
| 20:35.47 | Darkas | I'm trying to compile gestures from the recent git (begin of this year) but I get the error that libaccelsNeo/src/makefile.in isn't there |
| 20:36.15 | Darkas | I haven't found any docs on compiling yet too |
| 20:36.30 | Darkas | is there anybody who can help on this? |
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| 20:47.09 | Darkas | no one who tried to compile it yourself? |
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| 22:04.16 | Mortak | hi |
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| 22:59.41 | quatrox | DocScrutinizer: ping |
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| 23:22.49 | luca | hi all, i'm facing a serious issue here. I tried to flash the freerunner to put in the 2008.12 distribution. I followed the instructions in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner : nor boot, dfu-util +kernel +rootfs +qi loader. At the first reboot i went into the NAND boot, but there was only one option "Boot" and it didn't boot, reporting that it couldn't find the kernel. |
| 23:23.52 | PaulFertser | luca: if you flashed Qi, there's no NAND bootloader menu. |
| 23:24.14 | PaulFertser | luca: and btw, 2008.12 is mad old, unsupported deprecated shit. ;) |
| 23:24.22 | luca | heh |
| 23:25.05 | luca | well, i put the u-boot back in the same way |
| 23:25.13 | PaulFertser | luca: Qi is cooler :P |
| 23:25.34 | luca | OK: but now i see only static on the screen |
| 23:25.54 | PaulFertser | luca: seriously, if you have only one option "Boot" it seems that your u-boot enviroment is damaged a bit. You need to fix it and add menus you want. Or just use Qi. |
| 23:26.42 | PaulFertser | luca: to use Qi you obviously need to read the Qi wikipage first |
| 23:27.58 | luca | that was my point, i searched on the wiki and found that if nand u-boot reported only the "boot" entry i had to redo the environment, and it suggested using devirginator's envedit script |
| 23:28.45 | PaulFertser | luca: any particular reason you really don't want to use Qi? |
| 23:28.48 | luca | but it fails throwing a CRC error, another search in google got only a log of this channel |
| 23:29.28 | PaulFertser | luca: i'd edit u-boot env by hand, no need for the script except for the reference. |
| 23:29.29 | luca | well, no reason apart from the fact that if I power up the fr i get ONLY static. I can't even get the NOR boot screen |
| 23:29.50 | PaulFertser | luca: Qi can't have _any_ influence on your ability to enter NOR. |
| 23:30.19 | luca | yeah, but my ability to enter NOR is the prerequisite of doing something useful :) |
| 23:30.22 | PaulFertser | luca: NOR booting is pure hardware, AUX button is connected directly to a pin that switches steppingstone to particular address, and there NOR is connected. |
| 23:31.04 | luca | I guessed it, but still I can't enter it. |
| 23:31.31 | PaulFertser | luca: are you sure you're doing it properly? |
| 23:31.32 | luca | so i was telling the whole story that led me there |
| 23:31.52 | luca | yeah, i have done it many times: hold aux, press power. |
| 23:32.20 | PaulFertser | luca: NOR booting can't be influenced by anything except broken AUX button or messing NOR with the help of debug board. |
| 23:32.46 | luca | was already looking upon to buy a debug board in fact. |
| 23:32.53 | luca | but then, as we are talking |
| 23:33.14 | luca | what should I put in instead of 2008.12? maybe the wiki seems a little outdated? |
| 23:33.16 | PaulFertser | luca: to flash NOR an easy hardware hack (ground one TP) is applicable. |
| 23:33.39 | PaulFertser | luca: i guess either Debian or OM2009testingX or SHR unstable |
| 23:34.19 | luca | i'd go with debian |
| 23:34.56 | luca | ok, so i'd follow the debian guide right? |
| 23:35.18 | PaulFertser | luca: i'm not sure there's nice telephony GUI but it works and debian is good for hackers. FYI i use it as my only cellphone since november. |
| 23:36.29 | PaulFertser | luca: i don't know how good is install.sh script currently (i guess it's OK), but after reading it installing Debian is trivial to do even by hand. |
| 23:36.31 | luca | PaulFertser, i only need a working wireless, emails, maybe instant messaging and of course the telephony (SMS, voicecalls) part. |
| 23:37.03 | luca | and a better keyboard than the one shipped with 2008.0 :/ |
| 23:37.08 | PaulFertser | luca: are you into programming? I mean if you don't like something you're ready to write some small python app or smth? |
| 23:37.12 | luca | and a better keyboard than the one shipped with 2008.8 :/ |
| 23:37.37 | luca | i know C, C++. java and php. python i have yet to learn |
| 23:38.02 | luca | oh |
| 23:38.07 | luca | no static now :/ |
| 23:38.13 | PaulFertser | luca: i'd suggest SHR then. |
| 23:38.49 | luca | looks a little gnomish :D |
| 23:39.26 | luca | but then i'd give it a try. |
| 23:39.43 | dos1 | SHR gnomish? |
| 23:39.46 | dos1 | you mean name? :D |
| 23:39.49 | PaulFertser | luca: you can flash SHR to NAND and use Debian from uSD. |
| 23:40.46 | luca | PaulFertser, this is still a bit far off my reach now, i have gotten the toy yesterday |
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| 23:41.02 | batti | /quit |
| 23:41.18 | PaulFertser | luca: if you're familiar with *nix systems, it's trivial. |
| 23:41.52 | luca | i am, but the first thing i missed in the fr was a console |
| 23:42.20 | luca | i explored it via ssh over usb, though |
| 23:42.43 | luca | but flashing isn't a thing i do everyday :) |
| 23:44.00 | PaulFertser | luca: trust me, ssh over usb is much more comfortable than any console on its tiny screen ;) |
| 23:44.06 | luca | so I have to flash again QI, get the SHR kernel and rootfs and flash them |
| 23:44.17 | PaulFertser | luca: i've never flashed it, always run from uSD. |
| 23:44.31 | luca | mh |
| 23:44.40 | PaulFertser | luca: but for an SHR easy way yes, flash the kernel and rootfs |
| 23:44.52 | PaulFertser | luca: and i'd suggest Qi as it lacks environment, so one can't bork it :D |
| 23:45.12 | luca | i have read that word somewhere in the wiki |
| 23:45.46 | luca | should I pick the unstable? |
| 23:46.04 | luca | well the wiki says so, so let be it.. |
| 23:47.18 | PaulFertser | luca: yes, i think unstable is the best choice currently |
| 23:48.03 | luca | ah, and does shr allow to have a language translation? |
| 23:49.03 | PaulFertser | luca: you mean i18n of apps' interface? |
| 23:49.18 | PaulFertser | luca: then yes, but i think it makes no sense to translate any interface. |
| 23:50.05 | luca | yeah, maybe it doesn't make sense, but if you're not english you'd want the sms suggestions to be in your own language :) |
| 23:50.21 | dos1 | luca: sms suggestions != i18n |
| 23:50.39 | dos1 | luca: you just add dictionary, not translation :P |
| 23:50.46 | luca | ah |
| 23:51.07 | dos1 | in shr there is polish dictionary packaged |
| 23:51.26 | luca | ok, then i'll start reading the howtos. |
| 23:51.34 | dos1 | if you can provide dicts for other languages, i can also package they |
| 23:52.27 | luca | well italian i guess |
| 23:52.28 | PaulFertser | luca: i still prefer to write my smses in English. Too bad not everybody i communicate with enjoys it ;) |
| 23:54.48 | luca | PaulFertser, the problem arises when most of the people you know don't understand english |
| 23:54.56 | PaulFertser | luca: exactly |
| 23:55.50 | luca | mmm on debian what are you using? |
| 23:56.08 | luca | something like zhune? |
| 23:57.42 | PaulFertser | luca: yes, still Zhone. I'm sure i can use something better, but i'm yet to have enough motivation to try it. |
| 23:58.38 | luca | mh |
| 23:58.58 | luca | hackable:1 seems to be quite polished |
