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| 03:57.44 | Digital-Pioneer | Reloading system message bus config: Failed to open connection to "system" message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory |
| 03:57.47 | Digital-Pioneer | What's up with that? :( |
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| 04:09.28 | playya | Digital-Pioneer, is dbus running? |
| 04:10.48 | Digital-Pioneer | playya: Yeah |
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| 04:11.07 | Digital-Pioneer | But if I do /etc/init.d/dbus reload, it fails because it can't find that socket. |
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| 04:29.07 | Digital-Pioneer | How do I get that freaking dbus socket? Nothing works without it! }:( |
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| 04:35.20 | Digital-Pioneer | Ahh, got it. |
| 04:35.28 | Digital-Pioneer | It didn't install some file right. |
| 04:35.31 | Digital-Pioneer | Had to recreate it. |
| 04:35.39 | Digital-Pioneer | Something about a UUID |
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| 07:54.21 | methril|work | good morning |
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| 08:12.19 | lindi- | hmm, i must say freerunner worked well as a gps logger on my week at norway. I had 2400 mAh usb battery and the phone in a water-proof bag. since the consumption was around 100 mA without any special tricks this meant that the usb battery alone was enough to handle the whole day. |
| 08:12.52 | lindi- | the only problem was that I ran out of SD card space to store the audio notes and had to start moving those to an usb stick |
| 08:13.06 | FiXion_ | lindi-: how bigs your SD card? :) |
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| 08:13.18 | lindi- | FiXion_: 2G |
| 08:13.41 | lindi- | FiXion_: but I have all sorts of stuff there, the whole installation, iceweasel browser, git, darcs, ... |
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| 08:45.57 | FiXion_ | om2009 experimental is really bad - gsm doesn't even work (in paroli atleast) |
| 08:46.25 | FiXion_ | is still waiting for his 16gb sd card. |
| 08:46.37 | FiXion_ | I had to cancel the order from the first place - they kept saying - we'll ship tomorrow |
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| 08:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: 30MB/h for speech-recording. So o.O |
| 08:53.16 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: probably about 100M was free when I started :) |
| 08:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: without any compression, not even silence-stop |
| 08:53.52 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: they were all 5-20 second clips only |
| 08:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: seems you urgently need a 4GB at least ;) |
| 08:55.39 | FiXion_ | lindi-: what do you use your gps log for? some app that draws a route later on ? |
| 08:56.40 | lindi- | FiXion_: openstreetmap |
| 08:56.52 | FiXion_ | ohh. |
| 08:56.58 | FiXion_ | talking about openstreetmap. |
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| 08:57.13 | FiXion_ | any idea why I can find a road on the map (when zooming) - using navit |
| 08:57.31 | FiXion_ | but if I search for the road (while entering a destination) it can't find it |
| 08:58.03 | FiXion_ | the #osm channel said they haven't updated the road search index since beginning of 2009 - so that's why I can't search for them on the osm road search |
| 08:58.11 | FiXion_ | these roads were added in april |
| 08:58.29 | FiXion_ | but I thought navit could - I downloaded the map from navit's map thingy |
| 08:58.44 | FiXion_ | is very clueless when it comes to osm, navit, gps etc. :) |
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| 09:14.16 | ShellEvil | perhaps the name is wrong |
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| 09:15.14 | lindi- | FiXion_: navit does not search osm very well indeed afai |
| 09:15.29 | ShellEvil | the search o n the website - namefinder - the index hasn't been updated for a bit - the problem is that there is a new one coming down the pipe, so the primary dev has lost interest somewhat. (a new namefinder) |
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| 09:16.58 | FiXion_ | ohh. |
| 09:17.11 | FiXion_ | anyone know a navigator for freerunner that can actually search the osm map? |
| 09:17.25 | FiXion_ | kind of annoying - when the road is known in the osm.. and I just can't find it :) |
| 09:17.25 | lindi- | ShellEvil: does that have anything to do with navit? |
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| 09:19.25 | ShellEvil | lindi-: no - I was addressing the 'haven't updated the road search index' |
| 09:19.44 | ShellEvil | FiXion_: have you checked that the road actually has the correct name? |
| 09:19.56 | ShellEvil | IIRC navit uses the OSM data directly |
| 09:20.00 | ShellEvil | so it should find it |
| 09:21.10 | FiXion_ | ShellEvil: yes - and I picked one without danish characters in it |
| 09:21.14 | FiXion_ | I tried navit 0.1.1 |
| 09:21.18 | ShellEvil | FiXion_: road? |
| 09:21.33 | FiXion_ | Markleddet (in hvidovre, denmark) |
| 09:21.37 | FiXion_ | I tried several others |
| 09:21.50 | lindi- | ShellEvil: i think it fails if you don't have is_in set properly |
| 09:21.55 | ShellEvil | FiXion_: I mean a link from the website |
| 09:21.56 | FiXion_ | I could see it when I zoomed with navit (postion found via gps) |
| 09:22.14 | ShellEvil | FiXion_: the OSM website - so I can look at the data and see if it may be broken |
| 09:22.18 | FiXion_ | ShellEvil: 2 secs :) |
| 09:22.33 | ShellEvil | click on the (new) shortlink for a short URL |
| 09:22.38 | FiXion_ | ShellEvil: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=55.66186&lon=12.46979&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF |
| 09:22.50 | FiXion_ | http://osm.org/go/0NWm6VH5N- |
| 09:22.51 | FiXion_ | better :) |
| 09:23.04 | FiXion_ | I can't find any of them on that view |
| 09:23.22 | FiXion_ | Markleddet is the one to the right of the round-about in the left side |
| 09:23.29 | ShellEvil | Oooh - housenumbers - shiny. |
| 09:23.39 | FiXion_ | :) |
| 09:25.38 | FiXion_ | I've tried maps from osm - converting with osm2navit |
| 09:25.49 | FiXion_ | and I've tried the ones directly from navit (selecting entire denmark) |
| 09:25.58 | FiXion_ | with both I could zoom in and see the road with names and all in navit |
| 09:26.37 | FiXion_ | do you know another navigator app that I could test with perhaps? |
| 09:26.53 | ShellEvil | Ok. The name looks absolutely correct, with nothing wierd. |
| 09:27.34 | ShellEvil | this is .nl? |
| 09:27.50 | FiXion_ | .dk |
| 09:28.13 | ShellEvil | My first attempt would be to download http://downloads.cloudmade.com/europe/denmark#breadcrumbs |
| 09:28.15 | ShellEvil | and try that |
| 09:28.21 | ShellEvil | which are fresh extracts |
| 09:28.36 | ShellEvil | though I wouldn't see why that should help |
| 09:28.41 | ShellEvil | what plantform do you have |
| 09:28.42 | ShellEvil | oh |
| 09:28.47 | ShellEvil | forgot channel |
| 09:29.02 | ShellEvil | Sorry - /me is suffering from hypocaffination. |
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| 09:32.29 | ShellEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Gosmore |
| 09:32.33 | ShellEvil | I haven't use |
| 09:32.34 | ShellEvil | d |
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| 09:35.12 | FiXion_ | trying to find navit-0.1.1 again (just reflashed) |
| 09:35.19 | FiXion_ | what feeds to you use? |
| 09:35.33 | FiXion_ | the standard feeds in om2009 are rather sparse on packages |
| 09:35.46 | ShellEvil | I have regrettably fallen behind. |
| 09:35.49 | FiXion_ | ShellEvil: thanks - I'll try the map as soon as I get navit-1.1 on it :) |
| 09:36.02 | ShellEvil | I'm still on a Scaredycat image. |
| 09:36.19 | FiXion_ | ShellEvil: I'll gladly lend a hand if I can |
| 09:36.36 | ShellEvil | Yay - I have 20 tons of gravel to move - thanks! |
| 09:36.38 | ShellEvil | :) |
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| 09:36.52 | FiXion_ | ShellEvil: rent a machine to do it. That's what I do :) |
| 09:37.04 | FiXion_ | def. worth it :) |
| 09:37.06 | ShellEvil | Unfortunately, my problems are time-based. |
| 09:37.11 | ShellEvil | Lack of cash alas. |
| 09:37.42 | FiXion_ | I paid ~100 dollars for 1 day of rental |
| 09:37.48 | FiXion_ | not that expensive imho |
| 09:37.48 | ShellEvil | Spending all effort ATM on fixing the garden, and getting the place generally sane - and then on trying to get stuff designed for sale. |
| 09:38.06 | ShellEvil | problem is the site is awkward, and getting the right machine is expensive |
| 09:38.15 | FiXion_ | :( |
| 09:38.29 | FiXion_ | I can do with the smallest trench digger :) |
| 09:39.48 | FiXion_ | btw. I hate opkg: |
| 09:39.49 | FiXion_ | # opkg install libmimedir-0.3-0 |
| 09:39.49 | FiXion_ | Package libmimedir-0.3-0 (0.3.1+cvs-20051212-r5) installed in root is up to date. |
| 09:40.02 | FiXion_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.02 | FiXion_ | Collected errors: |
| 09:40.02 | FiXion_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.23 | FiXion_ | what kind of crappy package management is that |
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| 10:05.07 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: were you the one who advertised long IRC times with freerunner battery? ;) |
| 10:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: is working for me |
| 10:06.46 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: how do you notice incoming messages? do you keep the display on all the time? |
| 10:06.55 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: or do you just poll it sometimes? |
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| 10:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: please rephrase |
| 10:34.59 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: if I say something to you on IRC, how do you notice it? |
| 10:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | for now I notice when polling. |
| 10:37.31 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: ok, i'm trying to figure out a way to have the backlight turn itself on when something changes on the screen |
| 10:37.42 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: iki.fi/lindi/damage.c already can report changed rectangles |
| 10:38.21 | ShellEvil | lindi-: wouldn't it be better to teach your client how to wakeup the screen? |
| 10:39.04 | lindi- | ShellEvil: but if the client is xterm that's not feasible? |
| 10:39.30 | ShellEvil | lindi-: Ah - I thought you meant IRC |
| 10:39.43 | lindi- | ShellEvil: I IRC in xterm |
| 10:40.05 | DocScrutinizer | for irc it should be rather simple, if you use a client that can run a script (=""audio command used for playback"") |
| 10:40.11 | ShellEvil | yeah |
| 10:40.14 | ShellEvil | that's what I mean |
| 10:40.26 | ShellEvil | or you use that to cue the vibrator |
| 10:41.38 | lindi- | btw, is there some way for an application to detect dpms power save mode and cause it to not update screen then? |
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| 10:41.52 | lindi- | for example the CPU usage meter is very useful but i don't want it to be updated when the screen is blank |
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| 10:45.33 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: 1) that should be for ""app-has-(not)-focus"" |
| 10:45.45 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: but it's my window manager |
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| 10:46.01 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: that draws the cpu usage meter in the status bar |
| 10:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | 2) this should use a policy to decide if you need redraw |
| 10:48.15 | ShellEvil | lindi-: there is the hacky way of reading the backlight directly |
| 10:48.47 | lindi- | ShellEvil: not very usable :) |
| 10:49.21 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: check how that is done in maemo |
| 10:50.26 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: probably they just have made their programs aware of this |
| 10:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: probably we need a daemon to handle all this |
| 10:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | (they) yes |
| 10:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | ...though |
| 10:51.36 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: it's probably dsme: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/n800-analysis.txt |
| 10:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | we could have a default policy for this daemon to sigstop a prog as soon as it lost focus |
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| 10:52.31 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: but window != process |
| 10:52.50 | DocScrutinizer | if a prog needs to run if no focus or even if no backlight, then the prog needs to alloc resource |
| 10:53.14 | ShellEvil | 'has exgternal network connections' migh tbe a reasonable proxy |
| 10:53.18 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: i don't have time to fork all my programs to handle that :/ |
| 10:53.29 | lindi- | so maybe i could just fix icewm |
| 10:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: yes, win!=process |
| 10:53.59 | ShellEvil | On a possibly related matter. |
| 10:54.29 | ShellEvil | I found 'cpulimit' - which limits CPU usage of processes - even in the absence of any other CPU using program. |
| 10:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: we should -> -cdevel |
| 10:54.50 | ShellEvil | (I want FF to get a maximum of 10% of my CPU, when on battery) |
| 10:55.20 | lindi- | ShellEvil: that sends SIGSTOP/SIGCONT periodically :) |
| 10:55.33 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: maybe |
| 10:55.41 | ShellEvil | lindi-: yes - it's a bit hacky |
| 10:55.42 | DocScrutinizer | and invite raster to contribute, as he and me had long discussions about that |
| 10:56.10 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: it'd be good to have this working on PCs too |
| 10:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | ShellEvil: cool |
| 10:56.23 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: so i was looking if powertop folks had something to say about it |
| 10:56.35 | ShellEvil | (actually - I want FF to use a sane amount of CPU - but meh.) |
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| 11:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | ShellEvil: disable JS |
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| 11:09.17 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 11:09.19 | ShellEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - I know. |
| 11:09.46 | dos1 | "First of all, Dr. Zuffo has discussed the Openmoko project with the Minister of Telecommunications of Brazil, and the Minister is very enthusiastic about the concept." |
| 11:09.54 | dos1 | interesting mail at community maillist |
| 11:10.04 | dos1 | "The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development" |
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| 11:21.40 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: "sbj": ?? |
| 11:22.15 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: ?? |
| 11:23.20 | DocScrutinizer | pointer (subject, pipermail, ...) please |
| 11:27.18 | DocScrutinizer | aah, sorry. Missed the \" " \" so that's the subject probably |
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| 11:33.57 | dos1 | yep, that's subject |
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| 11:37.18 | badcloud_ | wow, lot of new users |
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| 13:35.29 | topro | hi, I'm using http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/ on GTA02. Since "opkg upgrade" some days ago neither zhone (connecting to dbus) nor paroli (timout init GSM) are working any more. But DBus seems to run. Couldn't figure it out myself this time, so please anyone with some advice? |
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| 13:51.18 | topro | just for the record. now i figured it out myself by luck. I had to power_on the gsm modem manualy (echo 1 >/sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on) |
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| 14:55.36 | mokofan | how does the moko's baseband work ? |
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| 14:58.02 | mokofan | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM links to http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Dialer&action=edit which doesn't exist |
| 14:58.22 | ShellEvil | mokofan: what do you mean by that? |
| 14:58.36 | Wonka | the mokos baseband? ask ti how the calypso works ;) |
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| 14:58.41 | ShellEvil | you send it AT commands, nad it does modem-like sutff |
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| 14:59.37 | mokofan | in the hardware, there is a chip that runs the nucles OS, another cheap which does the analog baseband, and another which does the rf transciver, are they all in one SOC or different compoenets on the board? |
| 15:00.16 | ShellEvil | They are the TI calypso chipset |
| 15:00.38 | ShellEvil | which is two ARM cores, one to do the application, one to do the hard-realtime stuff, and a RF chip |
| 15:00.44 | ShellEvil | and assorted random passives |
| 15:01.08 | ShellEvil | and they're probably a total of 50-100 seperate compoents on the board |
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| 15:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | ShellEvil: hmm, there's a DSP and the app-cpu. I'm not sure there are actually 2 ARM cores (though I have to confess I ealy don't know for sure) |
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| 16:03.31 | ShellEvil | DocScrutinizer: This is from a friend - who remembered reading the leaked NDAd docs. |
| 16:03.34 | ShellEvil | :) |
| 16:03.51 | ShellEvil | I admit I diddn't actually read the architecture in detail |
| 16:04.12 | ShellEvil | IIRC they were both arm - though one had some specialised heavy lifting gear. |
| 16:05.23 | lindi- | ShellEvil: err, better not spread such info here without warning |
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| 16:06.16 | ShellEvil | As far as I recall, that info is also in the public 'datasheet' |
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| 16:21.21 | poli | Which SHR is the most stable/usable image today? |
| 16:21.33 | pbaxter | i think the last one unstable |
| 16:21.43 | Guest53483 | I will say either qt mok or SHR |
| 16:21.45 | pbaxter | but if you prefer less things, the testing from 2 May |
| 16:22.03 | pbaxter | beer__: you prefer qtmoko now? |
| 16:22.07 | beer__ | yes |
| 16:22.19 | PBeck | qtmoko the x based? |
| 16:22.27 | pbaxter | but it doesn't have neither wifi from gui neither gps |
| 16:22.33 | pbaxter | they work very bad |
| 16:22.44 | pbaxter | also the X image is so slow paired to other images |
| 16:23.14 | beer__ | I am using the fso image (not debian x image |
| 16:23.50 | beer__ | cand I am njot using wifi or gps, just the phone part |
| 16:24.19 | poli | I am currently with 20090416, but dbus is really unstable in that one. :( |
| 16:24.53 | pbaxter | for phone part, beer__, qtmoko is the best |
| 16:24.54 | pierreN | yesterday evening openmoko gps save my life. |
| 16:25.08 | pbaxter | pierreN: which istro? |
| 16:25.13 | pbaxter | distro* |
| 16:25.16 | beer__ | but shr is not bad either |
| 16:25.19 | pierreN | shr unstable tangogps |
| 16:25.39 | pbaxter | pierreN: using it as daily phone? |
| 16:25.57 | pierreN | yep |
| 16:26.08 | pbaxter | and which mods you did? |
| 16:26.17 | pierreN | none |
| 16:26.22 | pbaxter | modification |
| 16:26.28 | pbaxter | what you installed? |
| 16:26.28 | pierreN | none |
| 16:26.34 | pierreN | nothing... |
| 16:27.27 | pbaxter | really? |
| 16:27.30 | pbaxter | and you use it this way as daily phone? |
| 16:27.46 | pierreN | yes |
| 16:28.08 | pbaxter | wow |
| 16:28.14 | pierreN | why would'nt i ? |
| 16:30.46 | pbaxter | pierreN: for its unstability |
| 16:30.46 | poli | pierreN: well I couldn't manage a stable phone operation so far :( |
| 16:30.58 | pierreN | me i do every day oO |
| 16:31.09 | pbaxter | how many calls and sms? |
| 16:31.25 | pierreN | it's seg faulting a lot if the sim card is not ready but it works |
| 16:31.42 | pierreN | pbaxter: 5/6 sms/day 2 calls/day |
| 16:31.57 | pbaxter | understood |
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| 16:32.02 | poli | pierreN: what are you using? |
| 16:32.05 | pbaxter | ok...but i need wifi and gps at least |
| 16:32.24 | pbaxter | also pierreN: you use paroli or the phone stack by SHR team? |
| 16:32.30 | pierreN | pbaxter: i didn't manag to use wifi... but gps works |
| 16:32.50 | pierreN | pbaxter: phone stack i think |
| 16:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | poli: unstable-20090703 here. Works rather flawless |
| 16:33.45 | dos1 | i'm using SHR unstable every day, and it's rock-stable |
| 16:33.55 | dos1 | even when i'm hacking on it a lot :P |
| 16:34.53 | pbaxter | dos1: you'r dev and you've lots of mods that are very useful |
| 16:34.54 | poli | DocScrutinizer: IIRC I am currently using your testing image. Thanks for that, by the way. |
| 16:35.23 | poli | DocScrutinizer: where can I get that image from? |
| 16:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | poli: you can find SHR-U same place |
| 16:36.11 | poli | DocScrutinizer: 090611 and 090529, is this the right place? |
| 16:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | but I think you also can get from SHR-project.org. Though I'm still uncertain about the kernel issue |
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| 16:37.23 | dos1 | pbaxter: lots of mods? |
| 16:37.50 | dos1 | pbaxter: every "mod" which i think is usable i'm commiting to SHR, so they're used by default |
| 16:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | poli: oops, sorry, didn't upload the 20090703 |
| 16:38.16 | poli | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 16:38.55 | pbaxter | ok dos1 |
| 16:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | poli: I'll ask the shr-maintainers about that kernel issue, and upload if it makes any sense |
| 16:39.53 | dos1 | pbaxter: the only "mods" which i'm using now are x11-16 engine and opimd-utils |
| 16:40.34 | pbaxter | but you think it's a good idea to use opimd-utils now? |
| 16:40.37 | dos1 | pbaxter: no |
| 16:41.08 | dos1 | pbaxter: unless you're opimd developer or you're developing opimd based app |
| 16:41.09 | dos1 | pbaxter: then yes |
| 16:41.21 | poli | DocScrutinizer: Thanks. :) Your site is my main source of Openmoko-related advances... hehe |
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| 16:41.44 | pbaxter | dos1: how to remove speech-dispatcher without removing navit? |
| 16:41.57 | dos1 | pbaxter: opkg remove -force-depends speech-dispatcher |
| 16:42.29 | pbaxter | but htis way it removes also navit |
| 16:43.00 | pbaxter | no..it's working |
| 16:43.03 | pbaxter | thanks dos1 |
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| 16:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | poli: there are matching kernels actually. Dunno why I didn't see them last time I searched for |
| 16:45.45 | DocScrutinizer | poli: http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ |
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| 16:50.09 | poli | DocScrutinizer: This is the matching kernel? [ ]uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119821+e03b339e05fbf46836c83d5595d4db77112b429d-r3.5-om-gta02.bin03-Jul-2009 12:56 1.7M |
| 16:50.30 | DocScrutinizer | yup, see date |
| 16:50.57 | poli | DocScrutinizer: kk, let me try that. |
| 16:51.19 | poli | DocScrutinizer: Haven't really turned my Freerunner on for some time. Hope that changes. ;) |
| 16:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | I'm using it as daily phone for some months now |
| 16:52.13 | poli | DocScrutinizer: What's the ubifs thing? |
| 16:52.22 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
| 16:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | alternative filesystem for rootfs AIUI |
| 16:52.55 | poli | DocScrutinizer: oh I wish... the dbus issue prevented me from doing that so far. :( PHone only ringed once (and worked pretty fine that one time, though) but dbus would crash and the phone would go dead until a reboot. |
| 16:53.40 | DocScrutinizer | yes, known issue. Didn't happen to me lately though |
| 16:53.53 | pierreN | and can someome connect to some ap with the wifi on shr unstable ? with one of junei can't... |
| 16:54.15 | RedFlash | hi, whats the most simple way to download the complete source code from the OM2008.9 distribution ? |
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| 16:55.54 | MHazem | DocScrutinizer: what distro are you running ? |
| 16:56.07 | CVirus | on your freerunner I mean |
| 16:56.28 | CVirus | DocScrutinizer: and what is your battery uptime ? |
| 16:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | shr-unstable |
| 16:56.39 | CVirus | hmm |
| 16:56.49 | CVirus | How long can the battery last ? |
| 16:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | uptime ~2days, sometimes more |
| 16:57.14 | CVirus | nice |
| 16:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | alphaone had uptime of 4days today, and he stated 35% of capacity left |
| 16:58.47 | alphaone | This is with little activity |
| 16:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | that's with optimum conditions though, and with a #1024-fixed device |
| 17:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | alphaone: could you run my bq27k-diag script? I am very interested on what bat will report |
| 17:00.28 | CVirus | as far as I recall #1024 is fixed in software .. right ? |
| 17:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 17:00.44 | DocScrutinizer | alas a nasty hw-fix |
| 17:00.59 | alphaone | It also needs some sw fix |
| 17:01.17 | alphaone | otherwise the modem communication borks |
| 17:01.27 | alphaone | DocScrutinizer: When do you want me to run that? |
| 17:01.52 | DocScrutinizer | rather to the end of capacity of current run |
| 17:02.14 | DocScrutinizer | say, when reporting 10% or such |
| 17:02.21 | alphaone | okay |
| 17:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | prior to any charging anyway |
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| 17:02.49 | DocScrutinizer | thanks :-) |
| 17:03.27 | DocScrutinizer | alphaone: you find latest version on my ppl.om/battery |
| 17:03.36 | alphaone | okay |
| 17:03.58 | poli | DocScrutinizer: What is a #1024-fixed device? |
| 17:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | a FR where alphaone replaced the right capacitor with a larger one |
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| 17:05.01 | alphaone | DocScrutinizer: But that needs bash? |
| 17:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, yup |
| 17:06.13 | DocScrutinizer | alphaone: just cat <dump-sysnode> >dump.txt and send that to me |
| 17:06.35 | alphaone | alright |
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| 17:19.46 | ptero_ | is it possible to run (and use all the original features of it) openmoko and other distros on htc magic? |
| 17:20.40 | alphaone | ptero_: FSO/SHR support for HTC magic is still very early... |
| 17:20.57 | alphaone | So correct answer is "not yet" |
| 17:21.55 | alphaone | Especially it's not yet usable as normal phont |
| 17:21.55 | ptero_ | good to know, thanks |
| 17:21.55 | ptero_ | ow... well, that settles it ;) |
| 17:22.23 | ptero_ | i was thinking about buying the freerunner, but i don't like the form and the fact that it doesn't have any hardware keys |
| 17:22.33 | alphaone | At the moment the motorola EZX phones are the best supported behind the FR |
| 17:22.57 | alphaone | But still not good enough for day to day use |
| 17:23.06 | alphaone | It's a sad thing... |
| 17:24.22 | ptero_ | and how does it look with freerunner with newest firmware? i didn't quite like the talk about missing calls etc ;) |
| 17:24.33 | ptero_ | or is it already solved? |
| 17:24.47 | alphaone | ptero_: Well, that is IMHO a myth |
| 17:25.02 | alphaone | With moko11 firmware and newest images I'm not missing calls |
| 17:25.34 | ptero_ | so i thought before i heard it from the openmoko's founder's mouth on the openexpo video ;) |
| 17:25.35 | alphaone | fw prior to moko11 had issues that they wouldn't wake up the phone |
| 17:25.49 | ptero_ | nice to know |
| 17:26.04 | lindi- | moko11 still has the issue that gprs can crash it |
| 17:26.07 | alphaone | ptero_: Well, to be honest I don't think he's the expert on that |
| 17:26.21 | alphaone | lindi-: not with abyss implementing flow control afaik |
| 17:26.32 | lindi- | alphaone: afaik it still happens with abyss |
| 17:26.33 | alphaone | Though I'm not using gprs so this is second hant |
| 17:26.43 | lindi- | alphaone: the testers just don't use the bug tracking system since it's hard to use :) |
| 17:26.48 | alphaone | lindi-: Please tell that mickey |
| 17:26.53 | lindi- | alphaone: i think i did |
| 17:26.55 | alphaone | I think he believes it's solved |
| 17:27.03 | alphaone | lindi-: please do so again |
| 17:27.35 | alphaone | ptero_: Well, Sean was using some OM2009.x image - I was using FSO/SHR. |
| 17:27.45 | ptero_ | and how does it look with the battery time? like if i use the phone for couple of hours a day (10 minutes actually calling people and the rest of the time using it as a communicator with wlan) |
| 17:27.49 | alphaone | so his mileage may vary |
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| 17:28.20 | alphaone | ptero_: Well, my regular phone lasts couple days with regular use |
| 17:28.43 | alphaone | wifi on will significantly reduce battery life |
| 17:30.07 | alphaone | ptero_: I've only conducted best-case scenario tests with and without deep-sleep active. |
| 17:30.40 | alphaone | only gsm active, phone mostly in suspend |
| 17:31.07 | ptero_ | and without wifi (which i actually hardly use with my htc-goddamn-artemis), would it survive couple of days (20-22 hours a day in standby (gsm on, display off ;) ))? |
| 17:31.19 | alphaone | only checking a couple times a day for battery capacity |
| 17:31.48 | alphaone | ptero_: Only on standby it's about 70 hours |
| 17:32.41 | alphaone | with deep-sleep enabled (which requires a hardware fix) it's up to ~140h |
| 17:34.35 | ptero_ | what's the difference between normal standby and deep-sleep? |
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| 17:36.52 | alphaone | ptero_: deep-sleep is a special mode the GSM modem is put into |
| 17:37.11 | alphaone | Something like suspend for the Calypso |
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| 17:40.19 | ptero_ | anyway 70h of standby sounds kinda short, but it looks like it would survive a day of more or less active (well, active for me, not for "phone junkies" ;) ) use. so, i'm gonna wait for some money and just buy this awesome thingy ;) |
| 17:40.45 | alphaone | ptero_: Yeah, it will survive that |
| 17:41.06 | alphaone | I've used GPS for some time a day and it survived that. |
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| 17:54.37 | lindi- | Gnutoo: please use the bug tracker and add this info: |
| 17:54.41 | lindi- | Gnutoo: 00:15 < Gnutoo> lindi-, yes and I can reproduce it at will |
| 17:54.48 | lindi- | Gnutoo: 00:15 < lindi-> Gnutoo: did you test fso-abyss? 00:16 < Gnutoo> lindi-, yes same issue |
| 17:54.53 | Gnutoo | ok |
| 17:55.06 | Gnutoo | but some people already bugreported no? |
| 17:55.18 | lindi- | Gnutoo: they are under the impression that abyss fixes this issue |
| 17:55.37 | Gnutoo | ah ok I'll do it then...what was the bug number? |
| 17:55.39 | lindi- | Gnutoo: so please add a comment to http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2264 |
| 17:55.46 | Gnutoo | thanks |
| 17:55.55 | lindi- | alphaone: mickeyl: should be soon there ^ |
| 17:56.58 | alphaone | lindi-: Hmm, okay... |
| 17:57.05 | alphaone | I thought it was fixed.. |
| 17:57.19 | alphaone | Damn it, we never seem to run out of problems |
| 17:57.31 | lindi- | alphaone: i'm going to fork bugs.openmoko.org soon if people continue to not report things there since it is difficult to use :) |
| 17:57.55 | alphaone | lindi-: What are the nature of the difficulties? |
| 17:58.25 | lindi- | alphaone: it can't be operated over email |
| 17:58.33 | lindi- | alphaone: i don't have permission to change bug tirle |
| 17:58.35 | lindi- | alphaone: title |
| 17:58.40 | lindi- | alphaone: i can not reopen bugs |
| 17:58.42 | alphaone | lindi-: Well... |
| 17:58.49 | alphaone | lindi-: What about fso trac |
| 17:58.53 | alphaone | or shr trac? |
| 17:59.01 | lindi- | alphaone: but this is a calypso bug |
| 18:00.17 | alphaone | okay |
| 18:00.45 | alphaone | Well, I'm not 100% positive about who is in charge of OM bugtracker at the moment.. |
| 18:01.32 | lindi- | indeed |
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| 18:25.18 | Gnutoo | lindi-, done |
| 18:28.11 | Gnutoo | lindi-, by the way did you read about "The University of São Paulo's intent to join Openmoko development" in the community mailing list...maybe the resources will be transferred there |
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| 18:50.33 | kr1s | Hi, how can i change this routing table http://paste.debian.net/41773/ that pakets for 192.168.10.0 doesn't be encapsulated by tap0 and ppp0 |
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| 19:59.38 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r6294a47b793d 10fso-monitord/src/gsm.vala: Fixed wrong value type in GSM.PDP |
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| 20:00.56 | rhkfin | Hi! How do I read&delete SMS's from SIM with dbus? (paroli or FSO refuses to move them from SIM to internal memory -> sim fills up, can't receive more.. :/ |
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| 20:04.58 | rss | yeah, adding to rhkfin's query, how to make contacts list store in uSD card? |
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| 20:05.32 | dos1 | rss: use opimd |
| 20:05.49 | dos1 | rss: or bug paroli developers to write opimd support |
| 20:05.52 | dos1 | it's already usable |
| 20:05.56 | rss | ok will look it up |
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| 20:07.31 | rss | what's joerg's irc nick? |
| 20:09.28 | rhkfin | rss: paroli does it by default except that it fails now for some reason.. |
| 20:10.05 | rhkfin | rss: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JOERG |
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| 20:10.23 | rhkfin | Either paroli fails to ask FSO to delete the message or FSO fails to remove the message.. |
| 20:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~joerg |
| 20:10.52 | apt | i heard joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 20:11.05 | rhkfin | heh :) |
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| 20:13.57 | serdar__ | hi |
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| 20:15.00 | serdar__ | I am looking for a tutorial to use qemu as openmoko hardware emulation for porting software without flashing everytime my moko |
| 20:15.19 | ShellEvil | What software are yuou developing? |
| 20:15.35 | ShellEvil | The most trivial solution is generally not to bother with qemu |
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| 20:16.03 | ShellEvil | ans simply use a 480*640 Xnest or similar server on your native platform |
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| 20:27.14 | mjr | ("or similar" would probably be Xephyr, which I would reocmmend above the weary Xnest) |
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| 20:47.52 | serdar__ | ShellEvil, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3lkfleG_O0 something like that for freerunner an I want to help porting android |
| 20:50.47 | ShellEvil | a |
| 20:50.49 | ShellEvil | ah |
| 20:51.01 | ShellEvil | ok - xnest/zepyr/... will be useless then |
| 20:51.15 | ShellEvil | sorry - I've not used qemu for a _long_ time |
| 20:51.36 | ShellEvil | I suspec tthe qemu page may have bitrotted out of usability |
| 20:51.45 | ShellEvil | It _did_ work |
| 20:53.09 | serdar__ | hmm |
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| 22:40.45 | [Rui] | There's either going to be a buzz fix party in Portugal or we're doing a little visit to Cáceres with a few phones :) |
| 22:41.32 | rhkfin | nice |
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| 22:54.46 | [Rui] | rhkfin: yeah, lists can't get objects, so sucks :) |
| 22:55.28 | rhkfin | :/ |
| 22:55.44 | [Rui] | only text, icons... |
| 22:56.13 | [Rui] | rhkfin: Elementary is... still quite elementary :) |
| 22:56.32 | rhkfin | right.. I've seen some of that in Paroli.. |
| 22:56.32 | fredrin | got epic fail on laptop, only "computer" i got now is the Neo + friends compus :( |
| 22:56.43 | fredrin | but i'll survive |
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| 22:58.27 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 23:00.21 | [Rui] | fredrin: good luck |
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| 23:03.33 | fredrin | [Rui], thanks i need it, dont have any warrenty left, expired just 2 weeks ago, need to get some good will or just pay up |
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| 23:12.45 | [Rui] | fredrin: what happened? |
| 23:14.00 | fredrin | it's the graphic chip that gets to warm, it's a know problem with nvidia 8400gs chips for laptops, so now the screen is b0rked |
| 23:14.08 | SpeedEvil | At least in the UK - warranty expiry isn't the end. |
| 23:14.09 | fredrin | had it for repair once before :( |
| 23:14.17 | SpeedEvil | Something has to be of merchantable quality. |
| 23:14.23 | fredrin | it's not in norway either, just more hasle |
| 23:14.51 | fredrin | it's not a big problem, it just sucks more to be with out a computer |
| 23:14.58 | [Rui] | fredrin: you didn't try to open it and remove the collection of fur near the cooler, did you? |
| 23:15.00 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 23:15.02 | fredrin | think i need to get a asus eee in the mean time |
| 23:15.15 | [Rui] | fredrin: I was getting my lapto at over 62º |
| 23:15.21 | fredrin | [Rui], did that, but it seams like the chip is fryed |
| 23:15.24 | [Rui] | it suddenly got too slow |
| 23:15.32 | [Rui] | and X was eating a lot of cpu |
| 23:15.44 | fredrin | when it got to 100 before it just rebooted by it self |
| 23:15.48 | [Rui] | I opened it and removed what looked like a filter (but was only a dense strip of fur) |
| 23:15.57 | [Rui] | now it's ok again :) |
| 23:15.57 | fredrin | could never build shr for example.... |
| 23:16.00 | fredrin | always fail |
| 23:17.13 | fredrin | it's just a bad design, and my greed of getting the newest of the newest when i bought the laptop |
| 23:17.18 | [Rui] | I fredrin well, now you will do the cleaning stuff more frequently :) |
| 23:17.27 | fredrin | sure man :) |
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| 23:27.48 | fredrin | is it a good day to update to latest shr-unstable? |
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