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| 00:35.53 | slaxxer | so is the latest shr-unstable a 5.5 fso? |
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| 00:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: almost |
| 00:43.46 | slaxxer | so the next will? |
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| 00:44.01 | slaxxer | u workin on it:) |
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| 00:44.24 | slaxxer | so should i use the latest kernel? |
| 00:44.35 | slaxxer | Doc? |
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| 01:47.24 | slaxxer | nosummery seems way too large what is it? |
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| 02:39.18 | Psi | what tasks do i need to kill on shr unstable to get mickeyterm working? |
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| 02:51.36 | Psi | puts diode in gta01 power feed from lab psu to stop usb trying to charge his up his lab psu |
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| 03:38.30 | Psi | PaulFertser: got 230mA backlight at 5000 and 145mA backlight at 0 on latest shr unstable and 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jul 3 17:49:20 |
| 03:40.28 | Psi | need to get it running from nand to do any voltage testing on uSD pins and it doesnt fit so will have to prune it down. Will talk to you later when your here |
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| 04:35.50 | ndnihil | just broke the shit out of enlightenment... |
| 04:37.02 | rooly | does that every day |
| 04:37.16 | ndnihil | every time the X server tries to start, I get the "this is very bad, elightenment segv'd" |
| 04:37.28 | rooly | probably trying to load a broken plugin |
| 04:37.37 | ndnihil | I didn't change any of those |
| 04:37.54 | ndnihil | all I did was change the finger scroll sensitivity and animation speed |
| 04:38.44 | slaxxer | shr-unstable todays? |
| 04:38.51 | ndnihil | old shr-unstable |
| 04:38.55 | ndnihil | about a month old |
| 04:38.59 | ndnihil | worked great up until now |
| 04:39.06 | ndnihil | except the GPS sometimes wouldnt fix |
| 04:39.22 | slaxxer | move on up |
| 04:39.32 | ndnihil | is todays good? |
| 04:39.39 | slaxxer | flashing |
| 04:39.52 | ndnihil | I'll wait for your review ;) |
| 04:39.57 | slaxxer | well |
| 04:41.04 | slaxxer | ic a 103 meg image |
| 04:41.25 | slaxxer | thats the 1 i have |
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| 04:41.35 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.17 | slaxxer | about 15 minuits |
| 04:47.28 | ndnihil | hrm, even removing ~/.e |
| 04:47.33 | ndnihil | it freaks out |
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| 05:09.24 | slaxxer | segfault |
| 05:09.29 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.32 | rooly | ha! |
| 05:09.34 | rooly | is annoyed |
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| 05:09.46 | ndnihil | glad I waited |
| 05:10.07 | ndnihil | not that I've gotten anywhere with broken e |
| 05:10.19 | ndnihil | upgrading e packages now |
| 05:10.36 | rooly | is annoyed that om2009 is broken |
| 05:11.47 | slaxxer | me shr-unstable |
| 05:11.49 | PaulFertser | Psi: great thanks! |
| 05:12.40 | ndnihil | is playing the "start the wm and see what lib is missing" game |
| 05:13.06 | ndnihil | opkg knows nothing of dependencies |
| 05:13.51 | slaxxer | time is correct |
| 05:14.12 | rooly | got time working too, am happy |
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| 05:15.14 | ndnihil | anyone tried a more lightweight WM? |
| 05:15.14 | slaxxer | resume works |
| 05:15.29 | slaxxer | implementation 2.0 fso will be faster |
| 05:15.30 | rooly | ndnihil: err, xfce? |
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| 05:16.09 | Cuateco | 12,12i1,0@12,12i12,012,0 hola 12,12i1,0@12,12i |
| 05:16.27 | Cuateco | 12,12i1,0@12,12i12,012,0 alguien que me ayude con respecto al telefono de openmoko 12,12i1,0@12,12i |
| 05:16.38 | ndnihil | aye caramba |
| 05:16.38 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: stop doing that! |
| 05:16.39 | slaxxer | selling tacos? |
| 05:17.05 | slaxxer | ok |
| 05:17.14 | rooly | ...no @'s! this isn't twitter |
| 05:17.22 | ndnihil | habla englais (in a more sane character set)? |
| 05:17.45 | Cuateco | 12,12i1,0@12,12i12,012,0 no speak english 12,12i1,0@12,12i |
| 05:17.57 | Cuateco | 12,12i1,0@12,12i12,012,0 speak spanish 12,12i1,0@12,12i |
| 05:18.01 | PaulFertser | Psi: very important information you gave me, finally some real numbers. Really thanks and i hope to see you finally found even more valuable information. |
| 05:18.04 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: fuck you |
| 05:18.24 | Cuateco | 12,12i1,0@12,12i12,012,0 10¨°º©PaulFertser©º°¨12,0 que onda loko 12,12i1,0@12,12i |
| 05:18.25 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: @-loving amigo :S |
| 05:18.50 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: tu madre es los huevos de negrito ranchero grande |
| 05:20.02 | Cuateco | 12,12i1,0@12,12i12,012,0 cueck 12,12i1,0@12,12i |
| 05:20.27 | ndnihil | rooly: has xfce already been packaged? |
| 05:20.45 | rooly | ndnihil: i don't freakin know, i was just suggesting the only lighter wm than e that i know of |
| 05:20.52 | rooly | woops |
| 05:20.54 | rooly | forgot blackbox |
| 05:21.06 | ndnihil | and twm, and mwm, etc... |
| 05:21.34 | ndnihil | was more interested in someone who may have done it on this phone |
| 05:21.57 | Cuateco | who helped me over the phone openmoko |
| 05:22.05 | slaxxer | debian has it? |
| 05:22.15 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: much nicer now. |
| 05:22.16 | ndnihil | yeah, been meaning to try debian on this thing |
| 05:22.21 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: just ask your question. |
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| 05:22.33 | slaxxer | neovento is cool |
| 05:22.43 | ndnihil | neovento? |
| 05:23.15 | rooly | likes the voicenote package on opkg.org |
| 05:23.24 | Cuateco | I need to contact an owner of the phone openmoko |
| 05:23.30 | slaxxer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neovento |
| 05:23.46 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: we're all owners of openmoko phones here (well, almost). |
| 05:24.23 | slaxxer | ask away |
| 05:24.33 | rooly | has 1.5 |
| 05:24.36 | rooly | 1 and 1 lost |
| 05:24.45 | slaxxer | ooo nos |
| 05:25.04 | slaxxer | someone liked it better than u i guess |
| 05:25.13 | ndnihil | is neovento new? hadnt seen that one before |
| 05:25.18 | Cuateco | the phone has no 3G? |
| 05:25.23 | ndnihil | thought I had tried all the major dists at one point |
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| 05:25.25 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: yes, no 3G |
| 05:25.30 | slaxxer | surf the wiki more |
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| 05:25.45 | slaxxer | mer? |
| 05:26.01 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: i've talked with the mer guys recently |
| 05:26.14 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: it seems mer is not ready for prime time even on nokia's tablets (yet). |
| 05:27.24 | Cuateco | I have a company in Chile (Binary Ltd.) that is nationally and internationally and I am interested in being the official distributor of openmoko phone. |
| 05:28.05 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: oh, then you need to contact openmoko officials, i'll give you an e-mail. |
| 05:28.45 | Cuateco | the possibility of bars just a phone to show the customers? |
| 05:28.54 | Cuateco | 12,12i1,0@12,12i12,012,0 ok thanks... 12,12i1,0@12,12i |
| 05:30.04 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: color again? Please refrain! :S |
| 05:30.09 | Cuateco | I find the phone quite interesting, but improving the technology of the 3G phone at any time? |
| 05:30.29 | ndnihil | not any time soon unfortunately |
| 05:30.37 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: OM is out of telephony business for at least a year, so no possibility for 3G any soon. |
| 05:30.51 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: but one can use an external usb 3G dongle without much troubles. |
| 05:31.30 | rooly | ...is that so |
| 05:31.36 | rooly | wonders if anyone has actually TRIED this |
| 05:31.41 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean-AT-openmoko.com> |
| 05:31.48 | PaulFertser | rooly: sure, many people did |
| 05:31.54 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: it's the CEO of the company. |
| 05:32.02 | rooly | putting a 3g dongle on an FR |
| 05:32.16 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: OM still has a considerable stock of the phones and can produce more on demand. |
| 05:32.44 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: but beware, the phone is suitable only for geeks at the moment and probably it will remain so. |
| 05:32.46 | ndnihil | there was one place making an extended case, I wonder if there is enough room to mount the guts of a 3g dongle |
| 05:33.09 | ndnihil | and maybe double up on the battery |
| 05:33.27 | ndnihil | and a large capacity memory stick |
| 05:33.45 | josch | ndnihil: better add a second microsd slot |
| 05:34.15 | ndnihil | josch: already tried talking my buddy into making me a small uSD raid |
| 05:34.47 | Psi | PaulFertser: hey |
| 05:34.55 | PaulFertser | Psi: hey hey :D |
| 05:35.00 | rooly | sorta wishes that the uSD slot would have been like on HTC phones, on the side somewhere that just pushes in |
| 05:35.12 | rooly | instead of needing to remove the battery |
| 05:35.29 | Psi | what image should i use for testing uSD voltage |
| 05:35.29 | rooly | but then again, it probably wasn't set up to be automounted |
| 05:35.43 | Psi | i remember you said unstable doesnt fit in nand any more |
| 05:35.56 | Cuateco | you should buy the phone now? or wait a while for the creation of a new design and applications? |
| 05:36.18 | rooly | Cuateco: now is about as good a time as any for this phone. it'll only get better with time |
| 05:36.23 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: the hardware won't change. The software is evolving. |
| 05:36.49 | slaxxer | gta2-core?" |
| 05:36.55 | slaxxer | 02 |
| 05:37.10 | rooly | wants a pre |
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| 05:37.42 | Cuateco | I can buy 1 phone to test performance and to show prospective clients? |
| 05:38.16 | slaxxer | u should get a 10 pack |
| 05:38.32 | Psi | heh |
| 05:38.34 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: sure |
| 05:38.40 | Cuateco | sorry so many questions but I am very interested in |
| 05:38.52 | josch | Cuateco: did you have a look at the FLOW? http://www.gizmoforyou.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=3_50 |
| 05:38.52 | rooly | Cuateco: start off by showing either android or parolli |
| 05:40.08 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: in fact, all geeks already know what freerunner is and what it is suitable for. And non-geeks wouldn't like freerunner anyway. |
| 05:42.16 | Psi | does anyone know exactly how big the gta01 jffs2 can be before its too big to fit in nand? |
| 05:42.28 | Cuateco | The problem is that in South America do not know the phone and give me strength to promote and project openmoko |
| 05:43.48 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: you know the phone is only suitable for those running mostly GNU/Linux, and those folks almost always are properly intergrated into international community (they read slashdot or digg or whatever) so the target audience probably already knows everything needed about it. |
| 05:44.06 | rooly | Psi: iirc, the gta01's got a 128mb memory capacity |
| 05:44.11 | PaulFertser | rooly: wrong |
| 05:44.17 | rooly | 64? |
| 05:44.18 | slaxxer | is it not 128 megs? |
| 05:44.28 | josch | it's not |
| 05:44.40 | rooly | huh |
| 05:44.49 | rooly | coulda sworn thats what was advertised |
| 05:44.54 | Psi | i think the limit is between 50 and 60mb somewhere |
| 05:44.55 | rooly | but its not like they sell 'em anymore |
| 05:44.59 | PaulFertser | Psi: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 05:45.13 | PaulFertser | Psi: you'll see size of every NAND partition |
| 05:46.02 | josch | it's 64077824 |
| 05:46.05 | Cuateco | sure, but my intention is to expand projects and georeferencing the phone is perfect for applications and create work for the purposes that I thought |
| 05:46.05 | Psi | just booting up atm |
| 05:46.40 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: ok, just buy one and try for yourself. BTW, it's not quad-band, only tri-band (either 850/1800/1900 or 900/1800/1900 versions). |
| 05:47.03 | rooly | 850 is supposed to be the US version, but the 900 works here fine |
| 05:47.12 | slaxxer | wow |
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| 05:47.39 | Psi | rooly: probably depends if your in an area that has 1800/1900 or not |
| 05:47.48 | slaxxer | do u get a buzz or humm rooly? |
| 05:47.57 | rooly | slaxxer: not on my side |
| 05:48.02 | PaulFertser | rooly: lol |
| 05:48.07 | rooly | other people are complaining about a windy sound tho |
| 05:48.09 | Q-Master | morning |
| 05:48.10 | rooly | only 1 person is tho |
| 05:48.19 | slaxxer | mee too |
| 05:48.21 | rooly | and he's got a motorola smartphone |
| 05:48.25 | rooly | looks like a waffle... |
| 05:48.39 | Cuateco | I ask you a thousand apologies for the delay, but I am translating the dialogues by google translator |
| 05:48.58 | slaxxer | great |
| 05:49.45 | rooly | slaxxer: the volume is a little low in parolli, i thought echo cancellation was turned on with the firmware update on the gsm chip |
| 05:49.46 | josch | cool :D |
| 05:49.54 | Psi | ok, its 64,077,824 bytes |
| 05:50.01 | Psi | for rootfs partition |
| 05:50.08 | Psi | thanks PaulFertser |
| 05:50.20 | rooly | thats what, roughly 60 megs? |
| 05:50.27 | Cuateco | I do not need a quad band, with a tri-band to me in my project |
| 05:50.41 | josch | Cuateco: consider using mibbit.com for irc as it allows to translate on the fly |
| 05:50.50 | josch | rooly: yes |
| 05:51.15 | rooly | 61.11 megabytes |
| 05:51.23 | rooly | give or take a penny |
| 05:51.52 | Psi | PaulFertser: it doesnt matter which image i flash for uSD voltage testing, correct? because we're testing the kernel? |
| 05:52.15 | rooly | slaxxer: where yat anyway? |
| 05:52.22 | rooly | hasn't met a single other FR owner |
| 05:52.25 | rooly | its sad really |
| 05:53.01 | Psi | ive met someone else in NZ with a gta01 |
| 05:53.30 | josch | met people in the train often |
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| 05:54.25 | rooly | yeah |
| 05:54.26 | rooly | well |
| 05:54.28 | rooly | i haven't |
| 05:54.30 | rooly | so booo |
| 05:54.51 | PaulFertser | Psi: yes, i think so |
| 05:55.03 | slaxxer | nw arkansas |
| 05:55.18 | Psi | im grabbing the 20090611 shrunstable, cos i think it should fit |
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| 05:55.40 | Psi | but ive had odd things with the nand, some images just refuse to flash |
| 05:55.41 | rooly | ... |
| 05:55.55 | rooly | read shroomstable phonetically |
| 05:55.59 | Cuateco | Thank you very much for your time |
| 05:56.00 | Psi | haha |
| 05:56.16 | slaxxer | my att rep saw a freerunner besides mine |
| 05:56.23 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: you're welcome |
| 05:56.42 | rooly | is still the only person in louisiana with one, iirc |
| 05:56.49 | rooly | not that i can check |
| 05:57.17 | rooly | maybe one of you guys with access to the sell records for all of the companies distributing neo's might be able to find out with a sql query for me |
| 05:58.01 | Cuateco | I purchased the phone as soon as possible, so if someone qeu me help or have a phone free for shopping ... |
| 05:58.09 | Wonka | *hum* with a banjo on my knee... |
| 05:58.44 | Wonka | a friend of mine has bought a gta02 some time ago and mostly uses it for GPS atm... |
| 05:59.15 | Wonka | tangogps, openstreetmap, some free beacon project for sailors... |
| 06:00.25 | rooly | must be getting tired...he read bacon |
| 06:01.47 | Cuateco | 12,12i1,0@12,12i12,012,0 I purchased the phone as soon as possible, so if someone qeu me help or have a phone free for shopping ... 12,12i1,0@12,12i |
| 06:02.01 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: are you doing it on purpose? :-E |
| 06:02.21 | Cuateco | ahi si |
| 06:03.30 | Cuateco | I do not do it on purpose, is that I have configured my script but with those colors and off, apologies |
| 06:04.27 | Cuateco | PaulFertser |
| 06:04.32 | Cuateco | sorry |
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| 06:06.44 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: you can probably just purschase the phone from one of US distributors: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributors |
| 06:07.23 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: i wonder how you can use GNU/Linux if you don't understand english... |
| 06:07.42 | PaulFertser | (or how one can use _anything_ technical-related in general) |
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| 06:08.50 | Cuateco | I'm starting a course in English ... who do know the language are those who work with me |
| 06:10.39 | Cuateco | to know little of the English |
| 06:12.28 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: you can post an e-mail to the community mailing list asking if there're any freerunner owners in your area, probably one of them can come and show you the device. |
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| 06:14.20 | Cuateco | I will send the email to the list to see if you mention the possibility |
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| 06:17.10 | Cuateco | I go to sleep, is 2:16 in the morning in chile |
| 06:17.35 | Cuateco | Good evening and thank you very much for your time |
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| 06:22.11 | Cuateco | thanks PaulFertser |
| 06:22.38 | PaulFertser | Cuateco: you're welcome |
| 06:22.46 | Cuateco | bye |
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| 07:36.54 | methril|work | good morning |
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| 07:43.56 | rhkfin | Hi! how do I manually disable suspend (& screen dimming) in OM2009? |
| 07:44.14 | rhkfin | I guess /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml would be the place but what lines do I need to change? |
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| 07:49.59 | FiXion_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.01 | FiXion_ | suspend |
| 07:50.06 | FiXion_ | 3 lines I believe |
| 07:50.20 | FiXion_ | search it for an idlestate section which has suspend a line or two below |
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| 07:56.27 | rhkfin | ah, I think I found it.. |
| 07:57.18 | rhkfin | FiXion_: http://pastebin.com/d489df161 -> commenting 3 last lines should do it? |
| 07:57.37 | rhkfin | and commenting all lines will disable also the dimming? |
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| 07:59.31 | PaulFertser | rhkfin: btw, about the high-pitch hum in rotated. |
| 08:00.31 | PaulFertser | rhkfin: i never had that before and i have that now. |
| 08:00.50 | PaulFertser | rhkfin: i tried different kernel versions with the same result (audible hum is present). |
| 08:01.11 | PaulFertser | rhkfin: even with .24, or early february .28 kernels |
| 08:01.45 | PaulFertser | rhkfin: the only thing i didn't try is using an old bootloader (except NOR u-boot with which rotation doesn't work at all). |
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| 08:03.31 | Breese_Kay | hi,all. dose php in cli mode can set timeout about oracle_execute ? |
| 08:04.14 | PaulFertser | Breese_Kay: -ECHAN :) |
| 08:05.15 | Breese_Kay | PaulFertser: ? |
| 08:05.38 | PaulFertser | Breese_Kay: this is #openmoko, not #php or #oracle ;) |
| 08:05.50 | Breese_Kay | Oh¡ASorry = = |
| 08:06.25 | Breese_Kay | I use a wrong channel... |
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| 08:32.59 | cgray | hi, I'm having trouble getting usb networking to work on my FR. I get a "no route to host" error when I try to ssh to it |
| 08:34.05 | PaulFertser | cgray: check your dmesg on host, check that you properly setup the interface and routing, check that you try to ssh to FR's address. |
| 08:34.58 | PaulFertser | cgray: first of all i'd look at "ifconfig -a" output. |
| 08:36.27 | cgray | PaulFertser: I have usb0 with addr 192.168.0.200 on the host and usb0 with addr 192.168.0.202 on the FR |
| 08:37.36 | cgray | PaulFertser: however, I'm getting an oops in the dmesg when I try to ssh |
| 08:39.45 | cgray | could it be because I had been playing with wifi on the FR before I tried usb networking? |
| 08:39.49 | PaulFertser | cgray: hm, are you using some old distribution? Modern distributions with recent Qi show up as eth? on host. |
| 08:40.18 | PaulFertser | cgray: oops on FR? it'd be nice to see them. |
| 08:41.07 | cgray | PaulFertser: I'm using FDOM for right now... the oops is on the laptop |
| 08:42.04 | cgray | but I don't have any reason for using fdom, it just seemed that it would be the one with the most stuff to try out... I just got my FR yesterday :) |
| 08:42.15 | PaulFertser | cgray: if you laptop oopses, i guess it means you need to upgrade the kernel on your laptop. |
| 08:42.23 | PaulFertser | cgray: FDOM is mad old and unsupported |
| 08:42.44 | cgray | ok, good to know |
| 08:42.50 | cgray | what's the best one to use then? |
| 08:42.58 | PaulFertser | cgray: and if you haven't upgraded gsm firmware yet, i recommend to do it, look at wiki GSM/Flashing page. |
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| 08:43.23 | PaulFertser | cgray: then you need to upgrade NAND bootloader, you need to flash either recent Qi or u-boot there. |
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| 08:44.03 | PaulFertser | cgray: then i'd recommend SHR unstable (more phone functions) or Debian (good old Debian). |
| 08:44.13 | ndnihil | hrm, neovento is kinda neat |
| 08:44.32 | cgray | does debian have a good ui? I like the one with FDOM |
| 08:44.38 | ndnihil | quicker than illume+e |
| 08:45.25 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: neovento is kinda developed on some fucked up forums without proper collaboration with upstream afaik. |
| 08:46.04 | PaulFertser | cgray: no, for neat gui install either SHR unstable and then you can try paroli on it or OM2009 with Paroli ootb. |
| 08:46.42 | cgray | PaulFertser: ok, cool... I have a lot of stuff to do now :) thanks for the advice |
| 08:47.38 | PaulFertser | cgray: yeah, freerunner is an ultimate device to keep you busy all the time yet gaining nothing. |
| 08:48.11 | PaulFertser | At least that's the case for me. |
| 08:48.29 | ndnihil | I don't like the keyboard |
| 08:48.38 | ndnihil | but the interface is decent |
| 08:48.56 | PaulFertser | I still use that awful zhone, can't properly send/read emails, it started to hang really hard (even in-kernel 10-sec PWR press shutdown doesn't work) recently etc... |
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| 08:49.51 | FiXion_ | rhkfin: yes - lines 21 to 23 |
| 08:50.09 | PaulFertser | Ah, and i still scare the hell out of my coworkers when the Arkanoid sid ringtone starts. |
| 08:50.11 | FiXion_ | btw. shouldn't "someone" update: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO ? Milestone 5.5 has been achived afaik :) |
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| 08:50.57 | FiXion_ | I tried neovento 5.6 (Debian - but fits in nand) - zhone can't even start messages (sms) or contacts from sim |
| 08:51.05 | FiXion_ | zhone isn't the best phoneapp :) |
| 08:51.36 | PaulFertser | FiXion_: what do you prefer? I still hope to see SHR properly packaged for Debian. |
| 08:52.01 | FiXion_ | actually paroli has proven most stable for me. although featureless :( |
| 08:52.11 | FiXion_ | but as it's python it's easy to expand with the few features I'm missing |
| 08:52.42 | FiXion_ | shr's versions were buggy in the last daily.. (as in often needed to reboot for them to not segfault) |
| 08:52.58 | FiXion_ | I haven't tried pyneo - I'm looking forward to it. |
| 08:53.07 | FiXion_ | hope I'm pleasently surprised :) |
| 08:53.29 | FiXion_ | they have a debian distro with pyneo on it and have commited pyneo to debian sid. |
| 08:53.40 | PaulFertser | FiXion_: yeah, that's cool. |
| 08:53.42 | FiXion_ | would be nice to run debian sid from ordinary mirrors ONLY - on my phone as well |
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| 08:55.52 | FiXion_ | I'm still a little offended about om2009 using opkg though. |
| 08:56.07 | FiXion_ | why they did all that forking.. seems incredibly stupid/pigheaded to me |
| 08:56.34 | FiXion_ | If they didn't like apt-get wanting to download all - and then upgrade.. they would probably be allowed to add an option for "compile 1 - install 1" feature |
| 08:59.13 | PaulFertser | FiXion_: opkg is not an apt-get fork |
| 08:59.34 | PaulFertser | FiXion_: opkg is ipkg fork and ipkg was a lightweight apt-get+dpkg replacement for embedded systems. |
| 09:00.03 | FiXion_ | PaulFertser: I know |
| 09:00.10 | PaulFertser | FiXion_: sadly opkg really sucks and noone supports ipkg too. OE guys are in a real trouble with package management. It'd be nice to have an apt-get alternative. |
| 09:00.17 | FiXion_ | they forked ipkg - and it was bad already |
| 09:00.36 | FiXion_ | and I don't get why - when my tests show it running perfectly (a lot better than opkg) on the neo |
| 09:00.37 | PaulFertser | FiXion_: are you sure apt-get is faster than opkg? |
| 09:00.47 | FiXion_ | PaulFertser: on my neo it runs sweet |
| 09:00.52 | FiXion_ | and doesn't kill on upgrading many packages |
| 09:01.14 | PaulFertser | FiXion_: sweet is not the same as fast. I've never tried anything except apt-get on my FR so i've nothing to compare with. |
| 09:01.16 | FiXion_ | I haven't tried upgrading navit with it though. |
| 09:01.27 | FiXion_ | didn't notice any difference - didn't time it though |
| 09:01.46 | FiXion_ | opkg is extremely slow.. and it doesn't tell you what it's doing - as apt-get does |
| 09:02.03 | ndnihil | running apt-get now, after having run a lot of opkg earlier tonight |
| 09:02.14 | ndnihil | seems to be about the same to me |
| 09:02.18 | FiXion_ | same here |
| 09:02.22 | ndnihil | but yes, I do prever apt by huge amounts |
| 09:02.34 | FiXion_ | ndnihil: do you get the "killed" from opkg a lot? |
| 09:02.44 | FiXion_ | if you try to upgrade navit (1 package) - it dies every time |
| 09:02.50 | FiXion_ | I had to uninstall it and reinstall :) |
| 09:02.56 | ndnihil | got it back when I first got the phone |
| 09:03.07 | ndnihil | I think thats just an out of memory issue |
| 09:03.11 | FiXion_ | def. |
| 09:03.19 | FiXion_ | but apt-get seems to not have that issue. |
| 09:03.28 | FiXion_ | I haven't tried navit specificly though. |
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| 09:04.22 | FiXion_ | but Debian isn't good on nand |
| 09:04.29 | FiXion_ | uses a bit too much space :) |
| 09:04.40 | ndnihil | yeah, kinda porky |
| 09:04.59 | FiXion_ | me goes back to fixing netapp disk check script. |
| 09:05.08 | ndnihil | takes a while to boot as well |
| 09:05.14 | FiXion_ | there's 3 versions on nagiosexchange - and they all suck (or simply don't work) |
| 09:05.58 | FiXion_ | shouldn't be too hard to fix that. but with suspend working so good - why boot :) |
| 09:06.31 | ndnihil | to change themes |
| 09:06.33 | ndnihil | on neovento |
| 09:06.36 | ndnihil | for some reason... |
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| 09:07.39 | FiXion_ | ndnihil: does zhone work for you (for anything other than phone) on neovento 5.6? |
| 09:07.52 | FiXion_ | mine's totally bust. can't start contacts or sms app |
| 09:08.00 | ndnihil | can receive sms, but haven't managed to send yet |
| 09:08.06 | FiXion_ | and noone has gotten paroli in debian mirrors yet :( |
| 09:08.11 | ndnihil | contacts showed up with the one contact on my sim |
| 09:08.22 | FiXion_ | my sim is filled to the rim with contacts |
| 09:08.25 | PaulFertser | FiXion_: zhone can send and receive sms just fine here. |
| 09:08.43 | FiXion_ | perhaps it's just neovento 5.6 then |
| 09:08.53 | FiXion_ | it's a straight flash - haven't modded anything yet |
| 09:09.19 | FiXion_ | but I'm just going to put om2009 on nand and use pyneo's debian release I think. |
| 09:09.25 | PaulFertser | FiXion_: but zhone can only use SIM storage for contacts and messages. |
| 09:09.30 | FiXion_ | since they actually add their stuff to sid |
| 09:09.46 | FiXion_ | PaulFertser: a little defective :) |
| 09:09.56 | FiXion_ | sim storage of contacts sucks |
| 09:10.14 | FiXion_ | looking forward to being able to using rsync to sync calender and contacts between laptop and phone :) |
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| 09:10.20 | PaulFertser | FiXion_: zhone is a test app, not supposed to be actually used. |
| 09:10.25 | FiXion_ | not all that advanced "crap" |
| 09:10.38 | FiXion_ | PaulFertser: then why does neovento ship with only that? :) |
| 09:10.58 | PaulFertser | FiXion_: i don't care about neovento. They use web-forums. |
| 09:11.21 | FiXion_ | I agree |
| 09:11.28 | FiXion_ | only german community |
| 09:11.32 | FiXion_ | sucks |
| 09:11.44 | FiXion_ | my goal is def. plain Debian |
| 09:12.09 | FiXion_ | PaulFertser: you know if anyone is working on getting paroli and *fso apps etc. in debian repo ? |
| 09:12.22 | PaulFertser | FiXion_: btw, you can try lindi-_'s telephone app, Kapula. Clean and simple. Just one small python app. |
| 09:12.29 | PaulFertser | FiXion_: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/darcs/kapula/ |
| 09:12.36 | FiXion_ | PaulFertser: thanks - I'll give it a spin |
| 09:13.08 | PaulFertser | FiXion_: (fso in debian) afaik, pkg-fso team is working on it. |
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| 09:13.31 | rhkfin | PaulFertser: Nice to hear that you have the high-pitch hum too (to have someone to confirm it) - but bad for you :/ |
| 09:14.24 | PaulFertser | rhkfin: hahah |
| 09:15.04 | PaulFertser | rhkfin: have you tried to reproduce it with some old bootloader (for unknown reason i haven't tried it yet myself). Seems to be the only software-wise thing i haven't tried yet. |
| 09:15.51 | rhkfin | PaulFertser: no I haven't. Using QI for a long time. |
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| 09:22.23 | Psi | well that sucks, think i just bricked it |
| 09:22.34 | Psi | debug board required :( |
| 09:23.34 | tig| | Psi: is it a freerunner or GTA01 ? |
| 09:23.38 | Psi | 01 |
| 09:23.42 | tig| | ah |
| 09:23.43 | tig| | :( |
| 09:23.43 | Psi | unfortunitly |
| 09:24.11 | Psi | i mounted mtdblock0 which i thought was the rootfs, and it mounted |
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| 09:24.21 | Psi | changed a file and now it wont turn on |
| 09:24.50 | Psi | just leaving it for a min without a battery to be sure it was actually off |
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| 09:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: Neo 1973? |
| 09:34.41 | Psi | ya |
| 09:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 09:37.01 | Psi | i put shr on the nand so i could do some uSD voltage tests but it wouldnt boot, (said it couldnt find any root partition). I booted back into shr from uSD and figured id mount the nand to check what was in fstab, did mount -t jffs2 /dev/mntblock0 /mnt/foo whick worked and mounted rootfs |
| 09:37.39 | Psi | mntblock0 = mtdblock0 |
| 09:38.27 | rhkfin | FiXion_: ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.14:/org/freesmartphone/Events: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. |
| 09:38.32 | rhkfin | Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged |
| 09:38.36 | rhkfin | /org/freesmartphone/Events: ReloadRules failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply |
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| 09:38.42 | Psi | so yeah, i had a look in fstab and it had root set to /dev/mntblock4 which i figured was wrong, since id mounted 0 and it was root so changed fstab so root was mtdblock4, saved it and rebooted |
| 09:38.47 | rhkfin | (I tried to run mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.oeventsd /org/freesmartphone/Events org.freesmartphone.Events.ReloadRules on OM2009) |
| 09:38.47 | Psi | now it wont turn on ata ll |
| 09:39.00 | Psi | any idea why that bricked it? |
| 09:39.52 | Psi | err that last mtdblock should have been 0 not 4 |
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| 09:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: mtdblock0 seems to me to be whole nand, I don't get it how you could mount it and still access rootfs. Anyway all partitions were included to your mount, so it probably could overwrite everything from BL over env to fab partition |
| 09:45.44 | Psi | well it did take a big longer than normal to accept the command |
| 09:45.52 | Psi | but it did mount and when i did ls i got a rootfs |
| 09:47.32 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, mounted a "floppy". I dunno what jffs2 does when you mount a non-partitioned (= floppy) storage and first few blocks contain crap |
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| 09:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | I might try to reproduce on 02 eventually |
| 09:49.39 | Psi | do you know if its possible to make your own debug connection without a debugboard? |
| 09:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | but that won't help to fix your device |
| 09:49.56 | Psi | maybe wire some of the debug connector pins to the printer port |
| 09:50.04 | DocScrutinizer | basically it's possible |
| 09:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | though a LOT of work |
| 09:50.31 | Psi | ok |
| 09:50.51 | Psi | ive already posted to the mailing list to see if there is anyone near me with a debug board |
| 09:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | if you calculate your work any reasonable fee / h, a debubo is much more economic |
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| 09:51.33 | Psi | do you know if the latest gta02 debug boards work on gta01? |
| 09:51.57 | DocScrutinizer | should |
| 09:52.11 | Psi | can you buy just debug boards from the om store? |
| 09:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | always backward compatible afaik |
| 09:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 09:52.32 | DocScrutinizer | no problem |
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| 09:53.30 | Psi | US$99 |
| 09:53.47 | Psi | wonders how much shipping is |
| 09:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | should be possible to find cheaper ones |
| 09:54.13 | Psi | from people on the mailing list? |
| 09:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | I heard we have so many of them Steve gave large discount recently |
| 09:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | resellers maybe |
| 09:54.55 | Psi | ok, ill have a look around |
| 09:55.02 | Psi | thanks |
| 09:55.44 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 09:56.08 | tig| | they are £44 in the UK |
| 09:56.52 | Psi | thats better |
| 09:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: try to get 3 fpc with the board |
| 09:58.38 | Psi | whats that? |
| 09:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | the flimpsy flat plastic connector |
| 09:59.16 | Psi | to be honnest, im getting a few $K for a job in a few weeks, im tempted to order a gta02 +debugboard |
| 09:59.40 | Psi | oh, right, those plastic ribbon cables. yeah, they do suck |
| 09:59.45 | Psi | always breaking |
| 10:00.12 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: if you used gta01 without need for debubo til now, you sure wont need it for gta02 |
| 10:00.36 | Psi | yeah, but i still need one for my gta01 |
| 10:00.48 | Psi | and it would save on shipping to get a gta02 +debug board at the same time |
| 10:00.50 | DocScrutinizer | but you could use the debubo for your 01 anyway |
| 10:00.55 | Psi | yeah |
| 10:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | good plan |
| 10:02.06 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: where? |
| 10:02.17 | Psi | where am i? new zealand (auckland) |
| 10:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, I remember |
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| 10:03.37 | Psi | it would be nice to have a gta02. |
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| 10:06.06 | Psi | DocScrutinizer: as far as you know there isnt any way to actually damage a gta01 in software is there? |
| 10:06.25 | Psi | i can be pretty sure that my gta01 is fixable with a debugboard cant i? |
| 10:06.34 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 10:06.46 | Psi | :) |
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| 10:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | there are a few unrecoverable failuremodes I guess, but you can't possibly have run into one |
| 10:07.17 | mjr | well, you can burn up the u-boot flash by writing it a gazillion times |
| 10:07.25 | Psi | true |
| 10:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | EG, yes |
| 10:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | or kill bat by overcharging |
| 10:07.48 | Psi | can also blow up the psu inside by removing the battery with the usb connected |
| 10:07.52 | Psi | but thats not done in software |
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| 10:08.35 | DocScrutinizer | your description sounds like BL flashed crap |
| 10:08.43 | Psi | yeah |
| 10:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | exactly why we had NOR on 02 |
| 10:09.10 | Psi | yeah |
| 10:10.09 | DocScrutinizer | talk to steve. For this creative way to brick 01 you deserve a debubo for free ;-) |
| 10:10.22 | Psi | lol |
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| 10:12.53 | Psi | actually still got the commands i ran open in the terminal window |
| 10:12.58 | Psi | save to txt file |
| 10:13.03 | Psi | *saves |
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| 10:20.22 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: don't store on Neo ;-P |
| 10:20.45 | Psi | ? |
| 10:21.06 | rhkfin | FiXion_: Nice, now it doesn't suspend any more, thanks! |
| 10:21.19 | Psi | ah, the txt file, hehe |
| 10:22.35 | Psi | hm.. this is odd |
| 10:22.53 | Psi | mtdblock0 was already mounted when my neo booted up from sd |
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| 10:26.53 | Psi | cant have been the flashing that did it, as it rebooted after that fine |
| 10:27.33 | Psi | could have been something to do with that error i got when shr booted for the first time after the flash |
| 10:28.55 | Ainulindale | What's the problem? |
| 10:29.06 | Psi | gta01 got bricked and im not too sure why |
| 10:29.18 | Ainulindale | Bricked? That is? |
| 10:29.26 | Ainulindale | Not booting anymore or not completing boot? |
| 10:29.42 | Psi | dead, wont turn on, we assume the bootloaded was overwritten |
| 10:30.14 | Ainulindale | NAND & NOR ? |
| 10:30.24 | Psi | gta01 only has nand |
| 10:30.30 | Ainulindale | oh |
| 10:30.34 | Ainulindale | sadly I can't help |
| 10:30.41 | Ainulindale | But I don't think this has to do with SHR |
| 10:30.49 | Psi | only a debugboard can help me now :P |
| 10:31.38 | Psi | na, its not shr, its either something to do with the error i got from the kernel on boot or something to do with me mounting mtdblock0 |
| 10:33.17 | Psi | actually na, cant be that kernel error as i restarted after that |
| 10:33.53 | Psi | its something to do with what i typed here http://pastebin.com/m16d27dac |
| 10:35.12 | Psi | either that or just a random corruption from cosmic rays :P |
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| 10:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: you tried to boot to bl-menu? |
| 10:40.08 | Psi | yep |
| 10:40.28 | Psi | i see a spike in current draw when i hit the power button but other than that it is dead no matter what i do |
| 10:44.06 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.18 | SpeedEvil | live stream |
| 10:44.43 | DocScrutinizer | Psi: your paste looks strange anyway |
| 10:44.53 | Psi | yeah |
| 10:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | the weird mount was already there right after boot |
| 10:45.16 | Psi | yeah, thats whats confusing |
| 10:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.28 | Psi | ya |
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| 10:45.36 | pieterc | python doesn't have the urllib2 libs in SHr? |
| 10:45.46 | DocScrutinizer | so maybe it's shr to blame ? ;-P |
| 10:45.53 | Psi | heh |
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| 10:46.57 | pieterc | I try to run a python script I made using urllib2, but it says no module named urllib2 |
| 10:47.04 | pieterc | it works on my laptop though |
| 10:47.05 | pieterc | any idea? |
| 10:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | nah, /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type vfat here |
| 10:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | pieterc: check your pathes? |
| 10:48.16 | Psi | ive had weird things happen with my nand before |
| 10:48.30 | Psi | i found sometimes it wouldnt flash images at all |
| 10:48.58 | Psi | there was this small (20mb) test image that just wouldnt flash at all |
| 10:49.05 | Psi | but the normal 50MB ones were fine |
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| 10:53.55 | Psi | i used to get this "dfu_download error -110 ] finished! unable to read DFU status" |
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| 10:54.42 | pieterc | DocScrutinizer: the .py files just are not there. I'm copying them by hand from my ubuntu machine... that can do any harm? |
| 10:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | not afaik |
| 10:56.40 | zear | hello guys |
| 10:57.13 | zear | i have a problem with gps, tried it with 3 distributions (qtopia, shr and om2008), and it only returns "can't get a fix" in every of them |
| 10:57.37 | zear | i've tried it both outside and inside buildings, no differences |
| 10:57.58 | Psi | how long did you wait? |
| 10:58.01 | Psi | and is it gta01 or 02 |
| 10:58.07 | zear | i've read on the wiki i should wait aprox 10min |
| 10:58.09 | zear | and i did so |
| 10:58.11 | zear | gta02 |
| 10:58.24 | Psi | 10min outside on gta02 should be fine |
| 10:58.38 | Psi | as long as there is a good view of the sky |
| 10:58.45 | zear | there is |
| 10:58.52 | Psi | ie, not buildings all around you |
| 10:58.58 | zear | so, once it get's a fix, it will work? |
| 10:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 10:59.10 | zear | or i need to wait 10min for every "ping" with the sattelite? |
| 10:59.12 | Psi | is it showing any sats at all? |
| 10:59.16 | zear | nope, nothing |
| 10:59.19 | DocScrutinizer | shr works great |
| 10:59.40 | zear | right now i'm inside, but i keep it close to the window |
| 10:59.44 | zear | and it's about 1h it's running |
| 10:59.46 | zear | and still no fix |
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| 10:59.55 | DocScrutinizer | zear: though for first fix you shall use settings |
| 11:00.15 | Psi | really need to have a look at the nema data to see if its actually getting data |
| 11:00.28 | Psi | gps might not actually be on or something |
| 11:00.35 | zear | nah, it's on |
| 11:00.43 | DocScrutinizer | *use settings* |
| 11:00.52 | Psi | ^ |
| 11:01.12 | zear | i even restarted the fso-gpsd deamon |
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| 11:01.33 | Psi | zear: have you restarted after first boot of shr after flash? |
| 11:01.35 | DocScrutinizer | shr - settings - gps. delete agps data. manual-on. |
| 11:01.38 | zear | well, there's nothing in settings besides auto/manual |
| 11:01.46 | zear | DocScrutinizer, oh yeah, i did it so |
| 11:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | then go outside and wahit 15min |
| 11:02.15 | Psi | heh |
| 11:02.22 | Psi | it should find sats pretty quick |
| 11:02.27 | Psi | even if it doesnt get a lock for ages |
| 11:02.29 | zear | Psi, well, i pulled the battery out few times, so i guess it's the first reboot since then |
| 11:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 11:03.13 | zear | should it finds sats on a balcony? i can't go out in the moment |
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| 11:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | depends |
| 11:03.37 | Psi | my gta01 was finding 1 sat inside last week |
| 11:03.37 | zear | there's a clean sight in there |
| 11:03.52 | DocScrutinizer | you can try. anyway don't move device for 10min |
| 11:04.16 | zear | ok, will try that |
| 11:04.23 | zear | and i also have another question, concerning wifi |
| 11:04.49 | zear | i have an ad-hoc network in my home |
| 11:04.49 | DocScrutinizer | no idea here |
| 11:05.18 | zear | and a standard procedure to get my laptops connected is: |
| 11:05.22 | zear | iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc essid dupa && ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:05.32 | zear | well, i replaced the wlan0 with eth0 for freerunner |
| 11:05.35 | zear | everything goes fine |
| 11:05.47 | zear | but it doesn't actually work |
| 11:05.54 | zear | it connects for 1-2 sec, then disconnects |
| 11:06.02 | zear | just to reconnect a minute later |
| 11:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure adhoc works on FR |
| 11:06.12 | zear | i can't ping it, it can't ping another laptops |
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| 11:06.40 | zear | uh, that kinda sucks, i have no other way getting wifi in my house |
| 11:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | AP? |
| 11:07.06 | zear | it's too expensive, and my internet provider doesn't allow for that |
| 11:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 11:07.18 | Psi | ? |
| 11:07.22 | Psi | they aren't expensive |
| 11:07.28 | zear | i'm not obligated to divide my internet connection :P |
| 11:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | you can operate almost every usual linux-desktop as AP |
| 11:08.03 | zear | he could cut my net down if i did so, so i simply made just a local net via ad-hoc using my laptops/desktops with wifi |
| 11:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | zear: nobody will notice |
| 11:08.44 | zear | DocScrutinizer, i know very little about how the networks work, so pardon me if i'm not right, but i remember there are programms that can detect nats |
| 11:08.48 | zear | like natdet |
| 11:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | so config your laptop/whatever to do AP instead of adhoc |
| 11:09.16 | zear | DocScrutinizer, my wifi doesn't support AP mode |
| 11:09.20 | zear | just ad-hoc |
| 11:09.29 | DocScrutinizer | they can do this with adhoc as well ;-) |
| 11:09.57 | DocScrutinizer | but they never do |
| 11:09.57 | zear | DocScrutinizer, nope, because it's not directly connected to the network, it's just a separate, local network |
| 11:10.09 | zear | and i just ssh to my main pc with internet connection to use net on them :D |
| 11:10.19 | DocScrutinizer | believe me, yo're wrong |
| 11:10.29 | zear | i'm not denying that ;D |
| 11:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | IP-fingerprinting always can tell how many computers share a connection |
| 11:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | but they simply don't do that |
| 11:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | too expensive |
| 11:11.26 | zear | so far i've got net on fr running via usb networking, and i'm already breaking the contract with the provider ;) |
| 11:11.52 | DocScrutinizer | and you could deny you operated the 2 computers same time, so... np |
| 11:11.56 | Psi | are you getting net from a 3G modem or something? |
| 11:12.21 | zear | Psi, nah, that's a big cable network that half of the neighbourhood uses |
| 11:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | zear: and even adhoc needs a form of NAT to enable "sharing the net" |
| 11:13.00 | zear | and they want you to pay extra for every next pc you want to split your net to |
| 11:13.14 | zear | DocScrutinizer, yes, but i don't share it |
| 11:13.22 | zear | i just ssh to that one pc with the net |
| 11:13.33 | zear | and it's not breaking the contract :P |
| 11:13.37 | DocScrutinizer | zear: that's to stop opening public hotspots etc |
| 11:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | provider doesn't care to share connection on a strictly private level |
| 11:14.03 | Psi | so you dont actually use the internet on your laptop you ssh into your main box and go from there? |
| 11:14.03 | zear | DocScrutinizer, probably |
| 11:14.15 | zear | yep |
| 11:15.39 | Psi | well you can set up an AP and not use nat |
| 11:15.54 | zear | we have a free wifi hotspot coverage in my city, just i would need my freerunner to have an external antenna to recieve it in my house |
| 11:15.56 | DocScrutinizer | zear: get yourself a decent nat-router-AP |
| 11:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | it's not forbidden to use NAT |
| 11:16.40 | zear | to split the net into a NAT? |
| 11:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | it's perfectly legal (i guess without knowing your contract) to use a nat-wifi-router to access internet with ONE computer |
| 11:18.11 | zear | what about things like TTL? that could be easy to spot (yet again i have no real knowledge on that topic) |
| 11:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | zear: exactly. that's IP-fingerprinting |
| 11:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | see nmap |
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| 11:19.25 | zear | and what about tools like natdet? http://elceef.itsec.pl/natdet/README |
| 11:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | but, again, providers don't do this. It's too "expensive" for them. And it's not their goal to stop you from using pc and laptop concurrently |
| 11:20.24 | zear | probably, but a fine for sharing the net illegally is about the price of a freerunner :P |
| 11:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | they are concerned about you sharing your account to all your neighbours or opening a free AP on your pub |
| 11:21.33 | zear | btw, what toolchain should i use if i want to crosscompile for SHR? i mean something that has some libs included out-of-the-box |
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| 11:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | zear: IANL but they never can prove the conditions you *concurrently* used many computers |
| 11:23.35 | DocScrutinizer | and, as I assumed before, you are perfectly allowed to use NAT and wifi to access with one computer |
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| 11:24.09 | zear | it's only a cable connection, so i don't know if cable -> AP -> 1 PC is still legal |
| 11:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | and you can suspend this one, and resume a second, and still it's no sharing in sense of your contract |
| 11:24.36 | deepsight | :( anybody sells a replacement screen for the FreeRunner? |
| 11:24.43 | zear | oh, they also authenticate for dhcp basing on macs |
| 11:25.05 | DocScrutinizer | read your contract. or simply believe me it's not what your provider is concerned about |
| 11:25.06 | zear | so i believe they acutally want you to use their net on one specific pc only |
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| 11:26.05 | DocScrutinizer | no, they want to stop losing customers by neighbours sharing one account |
| 11:26.28 | zear | they already lost many because of the free hotspot network |
| 11:26.44 | zear | unfortunately i can only catch it outside |
| 11:27.19 | DocScrutinizer | I never heard of a single case a provider complained about NAT. |
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| 11:28.11 | zear | yeah, maybe, i guess i have to try it then :) |
| 11:28.37 | zear | so anyway, any good toolchains? i should i go with a standard arm-linux one, and build all libs myself? |
| 11:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | zear: and anyway it's no difference at all if you use adhoc or AP |
| 11:28.55 | zear | hehe, it's a difference for FR :D |
| 11:29.02 | Psi | heh |
| 11:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
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| 11:29.31 | zear | *or should i go |
| 11:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | but again, no expert here for FR wifi |
| 11:30.32 | DocScrutinizer | (toolchain) I think wiki is rather verbose on this |
| 11:31.20 | tig| | blast my SMS has stopped working and I don't know why |
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| 11:57.02 | pieterc | DocScrutinizer: in the next test image of shr, could we include the internet libraries for python? |
| 11:57.13 | pieterc | like urllib2, urllib, httplib, ... |
| 11:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | pieterc: ask mrmoku or Ainulindale |
| 11:58.48 | DocScrutinizer | or open a ticket on trac.shr-proj |
| 11:58.57 | pieterc | ok, will do that |
| 12:00.30 | Ainulindale | pieterc: Why would we do that? |
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| 12:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | pieterc: aiui test will die probably. For now unstable is recommended |
| 12:01.09 | Ainulindale | And no, testing won't die. |
| 12:01.28 | pieterc | Well... I made an application using all those libraries which are, quite common i think |
| 12:01.49 | Ainulindale | pieterc: well yeah but what about people who don't use them? |
| 12:01.57 | Ainulindale | Should we include mplayer as a default because people might use it? :-) |
| 12:02.10 | Ainulindale | Or should we just allow users to install it as a dependency or something |
| 12:02.10 | pieterc | well, i think in the future they might get used more often |
| 12:02.20 | pieterc | i know some applications that use them too |
| 12:02.23 | Ainulindale | pieterc: Prove me wrong and they'll be there don't worry :-) |
| 12:02.26 | pieterc | like the pygps thing |
| 12:02.42 | Ainulindale | It's just that putting libs with nothing depending on it in an image is just useless |
| 12:02.47 | Ainulindale | We might as well install them afterwards |
| 12:03.03 | pieterc | okay, alright |
| 12:03.05 | pieterc | you're right |
| 12:03.21 | pieterc | what about adding them to the repostries? |
| 12:04.19 | pieterc | so instaling them with opkg install would be easy / I can add dependencies to my app |
| 12:04.27 | Ainulindale | pieterc: that is necessary indeed |
| 12:04.34 | Ainulindale | And I'll gladly help you for that :-) |
| 12:04.56 | pieterc | okay cool! |
| 12:05.01 | pieterc | what should I do? |
| 12:05.13 | Ainulindale | Just open a ticket on trac.shr-project.org |
| 12:05.21 | Ainulindale | Explain which dependencies you need |
| 12:05.23 | Ainulindale | Assign the ticket to me |
| 12:05.26 | pieterc | okay, i was planning on do so :) |
| 12:05.28 | pieterc | okay |
| 12:05.31 | Ainulindale | i'll make sure they'll be included in the feed |
| 12:05.41 | pieterc | thanks! |
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| 12:13.06 | pieterc | I just found out it exists yet! |
| 12:13.09 | pieterc | (houray) |
| 12:13.14 | pieterc | python-netclient |
| 12:13.18 | pieterc | should do this trick |
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| 12:16.45 | pieterc | my bad |
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| 12:40.29 | zear | left my fr on a balcony for 30min, and nothing, no fix |
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| 12:47.15 | FiXion_ | zear: works for me with shr, om2009 and neovento |
| 12:47.40 | FiXion_ | navit needed a symlink from libgps.so.16 to libgps.so.17 though |
| 12:47.46 | zear | it's a secondhand unit, but the former owner assured me gps worked for him |
| 12:47.53 | FiXion_ | starting the app from a terminal helps greatly in finding out whats wrong |
| 12:48.12 | zear | FiXion_, i tried to read the gps data from the commandline, but still "can't find the fix" |
| 12:48.12 | FiXion_ | zear: what distro? |
| 12:48.29 | zear | he used? I got it with Qtopia, but i don't know if he was reffering to it |
| 12:48.41 | zear | it didn't work for me in qtopia anyway |
| 12:48.42 | FiXion_ | I haven't tried that. try om2009 testing5 f.ex. |
| 12:48.52 | FiXion_ | and tangogps (with internet connectionn on) |
| 12:48.56 | zear | so far i tried: qtopia, om2008 and SHR |
| 12:49.24 | FiXion_ | zear: and what program are you using? |
| 12:49.50 | zear | the standard SHR gui tools, and gpsprof for console |
| 12:50.24 | FiXion_ | I've only tried tangogps.. and navit - was an easy test :) |
| 12:51.29 | zear | i think if i'm getting a "no fix" error, it's a problem with a deamon, or hardware, rather than clients |
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| 13:24.06 | deepsight | any ideas where can i get a screen for the FreeRunner? i dropped mine :( |
| 13:24.31 | tig| | deepsight: some of the resellers had some stocks of them |
| 13:24.43 | tig| | the GB one is out of stock of them but did have them |
| 13:25.14 | tig| | so they did exist |
| 13:26.28 | deepsight | ok... i guess i'll send the req to the mailinglist |
| 13:26.56 | mjr | pulster had a screen repair service spesifically, I think |
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| 13:52.58 | pbaxter | when will new version of OM2009 be available for using as stale? |
| 13:53.02 | pbaxter | stable* |
| 13:53.05 | pbaxter | dailyphone* |
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| 14:02.12 | b0ef | ehlo |
| 14:02.22 | b0ef | damn, what was the name of that big finger terminal?;) - chubby finger terminal or fat finger terminal something;) |
| 14:03.18 | zear | maybe literki? |
| 14:04.24 | b0ef | ? |
| 14:04.37 | zear | it's an onscreen keyboard for fat fingers ;) |
| 14:04.57 | b0ef | never heard of it, but it was a new application for the freerunner some months ago |
| 14:05.23 | b0ef | ah, yeah, this seems like it, maybe |
| 14:05.30 | b0ef | has it changed name or something? |
| 14:05.57 | zear | dunno, i've got freerunner just yesterday, and am kind of newbie ;) |
| 14:06.09 | Bache | Are you from finland? |
| 14:06.14 | Bache | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.44 | b0ef | right, I'll try this one, then; thanks |
| 14:07.00 | Bache | ...Ooops. Bye. |
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| 17:15.10 | pieterc | Ainulindale: can't find the url's to the libs :s |
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| 17:36.53 | pbaxter | excuse me...does someone know when will the next release of om2009 be available for download as daily phone? |
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| 17:39.15 | Guest53737 | I do not know but I am using qt moko http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu/qtmoko/snapbuild/20090707/ as a faily phone |
| 17:39.56 | pieterc | pbaxter: hm, har question |
| 17:39.56 | beer__ | and if you would like SHR it should be good as well |
| 17:40.04 | pieterc | daily phone is a very subjective word |
| 17:40.32 | pieterc | if you tweak it your ways, it'll be usable as a daily phone for sure |
| 17:40.41 | pieterc | and i think that's the concept of this phone anyway |
| 17:40.49 | pieterc | so i'll say yes, but don't expect miracles |
| 17:43.24 | pbaxter | what you mean pieterc? |
| 17:44.47 | pieterc | pbaxter: that you have to clarify the word daily phone. If you expect: "working out of the box and running very smoothly and I would not be able to tell the difference between a normal phone" |
| 17:44.51 | pieterc | i'd say no |
| 17:45.15 | pieterc | but if you expect a phone that still needs some work from you to tweak to your needs |
| 17:45.17 | pieterc | i say yes |
| 17:45.33 | azaghal | shr's become very usable, I think. |
| 17:45.59 | pbaxter | azaghal: i don't like SHR and illume mostly |
| 17:46.04 | pbaxter | i like QT |
| 17:46.06 | pbaxter | i like android |
| 17:46.11 | pieterc | azaghal: give it a month or two and I think it'll be pretty nice |
| 17:46.16 | pieterc | android is still a wip |
| 17:46.18 | pbaxter | i like GTK (not hackable, but maybe mer |
| 17:46.30 | azaghal | pieterc: You wanted to direct that at pbaxter, I think :) |
| 17:46.58 | pieterc | azaghal: no, i was agreeing on your SHR's become very usable ;) |
| 17:47.07 | azaghal | Ah, ok. |
| 17:47.21 | azaghal | Suspend works like a charm on it. |
| 17:47.21 | pieterc | pbaxter: SHR is gtk aswel |
| 17:47.28 | pieterc | if you're a developer you'll love shr |
| 17:47.34 | azaghal | I'm not a fan of illume when it comes down to speed, but it's nice feature-wise. |
| 17:47.47 | pbaxter | i hate the shr scroll |
| 17:47.55 | azaghal | Heheh, yeah :) |
| 17:47.55 | pieterc | azaghal: i agree on that |
| 17:48.04 | pieterc | pbaxter: the scroll on android is not everything neither |
| 17:48.08 | pbaxter | i think now an italian dev is improving it |
| 17:48.09 | pieterc | though i like the cupcake keyboard |
| 17:48.10 | azaghal | No idea why the scroll is so slow compaered to the old gtk stack. |
| 17:48.10 | pieterc | veyr much |
| 17:48.19 | pieterc | Michael Trimarchi |
| 17:48.29 | pieterc | he's working on the glamo chip for android |
| 17:48.30 | pbaxter | on android i like the beta7 keyboard and the scroll |
| 17:48.46 | azaghal | As for android... Too cloudy for my taste :) |
| 17:48.52 | pbaxter | if qtmoko had wifi and gps i'll use it as daily phone |
| 17:49.09 | azaghal | Mer might be an interesting alternative, though, once the phone-stack gets included. |
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| 17:50.05 | pbaxter | azaghal: it needs only to add repo and then apt-get update && apt-get install zhone |
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| 17:54.41 | azaghal | Yeah, but zhone is... |
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| 17:57.12 | pbaxter | azaghal: zhone is a very bad thing... |
| 17:57.14 | pbaxter | lol.. |
| 17:57.20 | pbaxter | a test software that for me, sucks |
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| 20:30.31 | Boogie | hi |
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| 20:33.23 | Boogie | if i'm reflashing freerunner the first time this yeaer, which distro should i use? up to now i use 2008.12 and am using it as a daily phone |
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| 20:39.07 | azaghal | Boogie: I'd say shr |
| 20:39.28 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r44ce0fbd017d 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_calls.py: opimd: SQLite-Calls: fix tracebacks introduces by latest commits |
| 20:39.33 | Boogie | azaghal, is it usable as a phone and for sms and supports tango? |
| 20:40.09 | azaghal | I think so. |
| 20:40.24 | azaghal | It also has a nifty configuration menu. |
| 20:40.28 | Boogie | is it better than 2008.12? |
| 20:40.35 | azaghal | Well, that I don't know. |
| 20:40.47 | azaghal | I know suspend works like a charm providing ~40-48 hours of standby. |
| 20:41.01 | Boogie | then it's too early to start flashing |
| 20:41.31 | azaghal | How so? |
| 20:41.39 | azaghal | 2008.12 can last longer? |
| 20:42.04 | Boogie | about the same if not used |
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| 20:42.31 | Boogie | and sometime it fails and runs down toi 0% |
| 20:42.49 | azaghal | Why do you think it's too early then? :) |
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| 20:43.13 | Boogie | i have not tried any new distro since last year |
| 20:43.25 | ndnihil | you missed out on so many fun bugs |
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| 20:44.10 | Boogie | i still have the buzz bug, which is enough for now |
| 20:44.23 | ndnihil | what is your hardware revision? |
| 20:44.35 | Boogie | 05 iirc |
| 20:44.44 | ndnihil | I've got V6 and dont really get any buzzing, but some others with 6 say they do |
| 20:44.50 | azaghal | Boogie: There's a hardware fix for the buzz bug, and it seems they've found the hardware fix for deep-sleep as well :) |
| 20:45.54 | Boogie | never heard about the deep-speep-hardware-fix |
| 20:46.13 | Boogie | and the buzz happens only when the connection is poor |
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| 20:46.29 | azaghal | Well, according to the fellow who did it first, the standby went from 48 to 143 hours when applied. Still some bugs, but that's very nice jump ;) |
| 20:47.00 | azaghal | I actually need to register on mailing list and start a thread to see what are the current experiences with this hardware patch :) |
| 20:47.13 | Boogie | yes, sounds not bad, but i prefer an official rc2 to a random fix ;-) |
| 20:48.16 | azaghal | What rc2? :) |
| 20:48.57 | Boogie | the "official" buzz-fix pdf is an rc2 iirc |
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| 20:49.47 | azaghal | rc2? |
| 20:50.02 | Boogie | second release candidate |
| 20:50.02 | azaghal | Although, the deep sleep fix might rock... |
| 20:50.19 | azaghal | You mean rc2 of the fix, not phone, right? |
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| 20:50.39 | Boogie | azaghal, right |
| 20:50.46 | azaghal | Heheh, ok. |
| 20:51.13 | azaghal | I'll wait for more people who know what they're doing to test out these two before asking a collegue of mine to do it. :) |
| 20:51.24 | Boogie | in fdom slleping killed major functionality, so i'm sceptic about the deep sleep fix |
| 20:51.26 | azaghal | I simply have no clue about electronics (software guy) |
| 20:51.53 | azaghal | Boogie: Any kind of sleeping or...? |
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| 20:53.49 | Boogie | i don't remember which sleep caused the problems, but fore reference: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Power |
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| 20:55.32 | azaghal | Boogie: I recall deep sleep causing the phone to reconnect to GSM network all the time. The hardware fix supposedly fixes this issue. |
| 20:56.02 | azaghal | As for functions after resume, shr has been nice so far. |
| 20:56.17 | azaghal | Although, I must admit, I don't use it much as daily phone (yet). |
| 20:56.30 | azaghal | Currently I'm in process of preparing an app for input :) |
| 20:56.31 | Boogie | azaghal, with or wothout hardware fix? |
| 20:56.57 | azaghal | I have no fixes so far. |
| 20:57.14 | azaghal | I'm not rich enough to ruin the Neo :) (yet) |
| 20:57.29 | Boogie | that's good, me neighter |
| 20:59.20 | azaghal | But if this thing is real, it should've appeared a year or two ago - it'd probably give a major boost to Openmoko :/ |
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| 20:59.59 | Boogie | but you'd say shr is in advance of om2009'? |
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| 21:00.48 | azaghal | At this point I think so. |
| 21:01.16 | azaghal | Although om2009 has decided to build-up the phone functions first (Paroli, to be more precise). |
| 21:01.50 | Boogie | i never understood what this really means to me as user |
| 21:02.36 | azaghal | Well, I think it's a move that should've been done in beginning of project. |
| 21:02.55 | azaghal | I.e. first make the device work as a regular phone, then add features to that base. |
| 21:03.28 | Boogie | there have been a lot of moves which shouldn't have been done |
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| 21:04.40 | Boogie | but let's hope they did better on project B ;-) |
| 21:05.35 | azaghal | Erm... As for project B... Isn't Openmoko Inc. dead now? |
| 21:06.24 | Boogie | no, just the next generation of the freerunner iirc |
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| 21:07.03 | ndnihil | wow, they dropped the price on the a6 versions |
| 21:07.08 | ndnihil | $250 |
| 21:07.18 | ndnihil | http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner |
| 21:07.30 | Boogie | they work on the top secret project b now, as it is cheaper to develop than a new phone |
| 21:07.41 | gena2x | Still can't understand why they can't fix them instead of selling ;) |
| 21:07.43 | azaghal | In EU that'd be 250 euros ;) |
| 21:08.17 | azaghal | Boogie: Last news I've heard (might be wrong) is that Openmoko Inc. is gone for good. As in closed. |
| 21:08.19 | Boogie | no, and the new ones are a7 if i'm corredt |
| 21:08.27 | ndnihil | either way, I paid $400 just 36 hours before they dropped the price to $300 |
| 21:08.33 | azaghal | lol |
| 21:08.43 | ndnihil | and now it's down another $50 |
| 21:08.59 | SpeedEvil | azaghal: updated as of when? |
| 21:09.08 | Boogie | azaghal, when was this news published? |
| 21:09.16 | ndnihil | Boogie: yes, the a7 is the new/current version |
| 21:09.17 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, they aree likely to continue to manufacture and sell GTA02 |
| 21:09.30 | ndnihil | they're just trying to unload the un-buzzfixed old stock |
| 21:09.57 | ndnihil | I might wait until it comes down a bit more and pick up a spare or two |
| 21:10.08 | azaghal | SpeedEvil: Ah... |
| 21:10.15 | gena2x | so why no fix it and unload fixed stock? |
| 21:10.18 | Boogie | SpeedEvil, i don't think they produce anymore as the stock seems to be quite high |
| 21:10.26 | ndnihil | they're unloading unfixed stock |
| 21:10.34 | ndnihil | the a6, not the a7 |
| 21:11.03 | ndnihil | as for why they dont fix it and charge more, it's a lot of man-hours to apply the fix to all those phones |
| 21:11.09 | gena2x | why not fix a6? why users have to DIY? |
| 21:11.11 | ndnihil | more than it would be worth for the price difference |
| 21:11.17 | azaghal | Actually, I think I first saw the news how they're quiting on GTA03, and reducing the work on it, then that they decided to fire the rest of the staff? Or I've gone completely nuts, which isn't too much impossible o.O |
| 21:11.50 | azaghal | gena2x: There are some people offering service for that, though. The ones in Germany seem pretty cheap, although the sending would cost me a lot :) |
| 21:13.40 | Boogie | azaghal, they seem to have lost all their good hackers over time, i don't (jet ;-)) think you're nuts |
| 21:14.17 | SpeedEvil | azaghal: that's true - basically - there is no work on GTA03 ongoing. |
| 21:14.41 | SpeedEvil | azaghal: however - having the factory occaionally spit out a thousand or whatever GTA02 - when called isn't a major investment. |
| 21:15.16 | azaghal | Is Openmoko as company still alive, though? |
| 21:15.31 | pieterc | yes it is azaghal |
| 21:15.45 | pieterc | it's focusing on another project |
| 21:15.59 | pieterc | hope that gets them back on their feet |
| 21:16.07 | gena2x | Hm... May be some of guys doing GTA2-core here? |
| 21:17.12 | pieterc | SpeedEvil: the openmoko is an interesting device, though it cannot beat the samsung star or the blackberry nor the iphone, even if the software would be 2 years ahead |
| 21:17.26 | SpeedEvil | pieterc: in some ways it does. |
| 21:17.29 | pieterc | I think openmoko will have a future as a device |
| 21:17.35 | pieterc | like for bussiness purposes |
| 21:17.43 | SpeedEvil | pieterc: Admittedly, the hardware is now serously showing its age. |
| 21:17.45 | pieterc | since gta2 does not come with camera, that is actually apro |
| 21:17.46 | ndnihil | I replaced a blackberry with the FR |
| 21:17.49 | pieterc | not a con |
| 21:17.54 | pieterc | in firms |
| 21:17.59 | ndnihil | and use it more than I did the BB |
| 21:18.05 | azaghal | Would it be possible to use beagleboard for a phone device, though? |
| 21:18.15 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 21:18.23 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes - anythings possible |
| 21:18.30 | SpeedEvil | but not really practically |
| 21:18.40 | SpeedEvil | you can however use the SoC in a different PCB |
| 21:18.41 | azaghal | Well, size might be an issue, but a redesign... |
| 21:18.48 | SpeedEvil | azaghal: not always. |
| 21:18.49 | Boogie | i don't miss a camera, but i do miss a keyboard |
| 21:19.05 | azaghal | Yeah, there should've been a slide-out keyboard. |
| 21:19.20 | ndnihil | keyboard would have been nice |
| 21:19.22 | azaghal | And an accessible uSD slot (like some newer Nokias have) |
| 21:19.39 | gena2x | As the GTA2-core have same components, LCD, buttons, case, battery and so on, may be it will be possible to upgrade just mainboard inside? |
| 21:19.42 | azaghal | Still, I was pretty impressed with quality of device (very robust) |
| 21:19.51 | gena2x | It would be nice applications of that A6's :) |
| 21:21.38 | gena2x | Yes, mine fall once to the concete floor from 1,5 meters... And it is still alive. |
| 21:21.38 | Boogie | gena2x, i think, major motherboard changes would be too much of change and the glamo will resist |
| 21:22.12 | gena2x | I mean they can just sell whole board to install |
| 21:22.25 | SpeedEvil | there are problems with that. |
| 21:22.32 | SpeedEvil | It's not as simple as it might seem. |
| 21:22.39 | SpeedEvil | For example, the LCD is glued to teh PCB |
| 21:23.04 | gena2x | Deglue is possile I guess :) |
| 21:23.32 | Boogie | there will be a new board but the design will be very similar |
| 21:23.42 | SpeedEvil | It's possible - but it's not a really simple board swap |
| 21:24.34 | gena2x | It shouldn't e simple... Heh, dream on phone-form-factor PC's :) |
| 21:25.18 | SpeedEvil | needs to write up his periodic 'why modular phones are hard' rant. |
| 21:25.56 | gena2x | So, let's hope GTA2-core will emerge soon. |
| 21:37.43 | azaghal | They're hard, but not impossible. Of course, creating standardised modules is hard as hell. |
| 21:38.05 | azaghal | Take a look how tough it was to get PCs to current state, and it's _still_ chaos. |
| 21:39.13 | playya | ~seen quatrox |
| 21:39.14 | apt | quatrox <n=quatrox@58.80-202-61.nextgentel.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 41d 23h 27m 39s ago, saying: 'but if you use unstable, I guess you might have to flash more often'. |
| 21:39.34 | pieterc | apt-get install quatrox |
| 21:39.46 | gena2x | package not found |
| 21:39.50 | pieterc | :( |
| 21:40.03 | gena2x | # |
| 21:40.46 | pieterc | I wish my girl flashed more often |
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| 21:40.55 | pieterc | stupid moko |
| 21:41.27 | azaghal | o.O |
| 21:41.28 | pieterc | stinks at being funny |
| 21:41.34 | azaghal | Flashed more often... |
| 21:41.35 | azaghal | Heheh |
| 21:43.43 | gena2x | Why nfs is so slow on openmoko? |
| 21:44.08 | gena2x | Over USB btw |
| 21:44.23 | pieterc | copy that, why is that? |
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| 21:46.05 | gena2x | I've tried to mount nfs from my main machine, but i've tired waiting while qtmoko will load up |
| 21:51.39 | kerm|t | nfs? god i cant wait until the non developer release |
| 21:52.01 | gena2x | You can use it instantly :) |
| 21:52.34 | SpeedEvil | mount -o rsize=8192,wsize=8192 may speed it up |
| 21:52.37 | kerm|t | my cell phone is falling apart, i might have to jump in or switch back to my old school startac |
| 21:53.09 | gena2x | Let's try... |
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| 22:01.30 | gena2x | In fact, this slowed it down :) |
| 22:01.41 | gena2x | 16484138 bytes (16 MB) copied, 32.6394 s, 505 kB/s - without |
| 22:01.49 | gena2x | 16484138 bytes (16 MB) copied, 39.261 s, 420 kB/s - with |
| 22:01.53 | kerm|t | is it stuck in usb 1.0 mode? |
| 22:02.10 | gena2x | hmm... |
| 22:02.38 | kerm|t | see how fast a big ping is |
| 22:02.44 | kerm|t | ping -s 8000 |
| 22:03.18 | gena2x | How do propose to measure time? |
| 22:04.03 | gena2x | Usb 1.0 is 1.5 Mbit/s |
| 22:04.10 | gena2x | No. |
| 22:04.24 | gena2x | 12 Mbit/s |
| 22:04.29 | gena2x | 1.5 is 'low speed' |
| 22:05.09 | gena2x | 12Mbit is much better than 500Kb |
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| 22:08.03 | slaxxer | anybody have any luck locating a replacement screen foe a v5? |
| 22:08.16 | slaxxer | i broke mine!! |
| 22:08.36 | gena2x | You can try to ask list for broken OMs? |
| 22:08.41 | slaxxer | 10 bucks from china? |
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| 22:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: I think we at OM pay even more than 10bucks on volume |
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| 23:05.53 | SpeedEvil | You can get a 320*240 screen for _maybe_ 10 bucks at that size in volume. |
| 23:05.57 | SpeedEvil | (but it won't fit) |
| 23:06.30 | SpeedEvil | Also - as an aside - GTA01 and GTA02 all variants share the same screen as I understand it. |
| 23:06.50 | SpeedEvil | gena2x: USB1.0 is 1.5Mbit/s USB1.1 added 12Mbits. |
| 23:07.44 | SpeedEvil | gena2x: 500kbytes/s is about what I recall getting |
| 23:08.32 | gena2x | SpeedEvil: no-no-no. USB1.0 is 12. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus |
| 23:09.15 | gena2x | SpeedEvil: I tested with iperf and got 4.50 Mbits/sec |
| 23:09.23 | gena2x | for tcp connection. |
| 23:10.11 | SpeedEvil | This is the sort of thing I would be wary of trusting wikipedia. |
| 23:10.21 | SpeedEvil | Believing it for stuff that'everyone knows' is risky. |
| 23:10.43 | gena2x | :) |
| 23:10.53 | gena2x | You seem in phylosophical mood... |
| 23:11.11 | pieterc | *critical mood |
| 23:11.11 | pieterc | ;) |
| 23:11.58 | gena2x | Now my wifi is under setup, but i realized that now i don't know password for my AP anymore |
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| 23:12.48 | pieterc | I'm thinking of creating our own totally free chrome OS |
| 23:12.54 | pieterc | :p |
| 23:13.08 | SpeedEvil | i |
| 23:13.26 | gena2x | 'chrome'? |
| 23:13.46 | pieterc | just a linux kernel that boots into a very light gnome environment (xfce? ;) ) and starts epiphany |
| 23:13.58 | pieterc | yeah, the google os for netbooks |
| 23:14.02 | pieterc | the big news;) |
| 23:14.12 | gena2x | Oh, yes, i've heard that. |
| 23:14.19 | gena2x | Nice thing for Linux. |
| 23:14.24 | pieterc | gena2x: indeed! |
| 23:14.28 | pieterc | houray ;) |
| 23:14.42 | pieterc | but I want to make the same for netbooks, but more hakish |
| 23:14.51 | pieterc | like that would be the openmoko to android |
| 23:14.57 | pieterc | or to the g1 |
| 23:14.57 | SpeedEvil | gena2x: I've tried to maintain some wikipedia articles. |
| 23:15.23 | SpeedEvil | gena2x: too often they get random facts inserted that are 'obviously right' and 'everyone knows' |
| 23:15.44 | gena2x | Android is not linux. At least few GNU inside :) |
| 23:16.05 | pieterc | GNU != linux |
| 23:16.14 | pieterc | imho android is linux, not gnu ;) |
| 23:16.19 | gena2x | Yes, but GNU == hackable |
| 23:16.25 | gena2x | :) |
| 23:16.33 | pieterc | chrome os is not gnu neither |
| 23:16.46 | pieterc | i want a gnu chrome os ... for hacker peoples |
| 23:16.52 | gena2x | Kernel is GPL. |
| 23:16.54 | pieterc | I used to work on movix |
| 23:17.04 | pieterc | but it's not GNU Stallman software;) |
| 23:17.18 | pieterc | I used to work on movix, so i hope i can make that true:p |
| 23:17.24 | gena2x | So it is based on GNU ideas a bit ;) |
| 23:17.24 | SpeedEvil | wants an industrial strength version. |
| 23:17.31 | SpeedEvil | Chrome-vanadium drop-forged. |
| 23:17.53 | pieterc | Anyone wants to jump in this project with me ? :p |
| 23:17.57 | pieterc | just for fun |
| 23:17.58 | pieterc | nothing big |
| 23:18.12 | pieterc | it's not going to be bigger than the GNU project by rmn |
| 23:18.13 | pieterc | rms |
| 23:18.22 | gena2x | :)))) |
| 23:18.30 | gena2x | Not bigger? |
| 23:18.39 | gena2x | Good news :) |
| 23:18.39 | SpeedEvil | Boring. |
| 23:18.53 | pieterc | (just copying words Linus Torvalds said when he released linux0.01) |
| 23:18.59 | SpeedEvil | is only involved with projects that want to take over the world. |
| 23:19.32 | gena2x | SpeedEvil: About wikipedia - yes. You can just read same article in different languages :) |
| 23:19.34 | pieterc | thinks that SpeedEvil did not understand my irony of copying Linus Torvalds' words and my intention to take over the world anyway |
| 23:20.15 | gena2x | SpeedEvil: but this is not USB case - you can read specs :) |
| 23:21.07 | pieterc | no but, do you think this idea is something to work out? |
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| 23:21.24 | gena2x | I didn't got that too :) But where is release? |
| 23:22.45 | gena2x | SpeedEvil; That is why technical things are nice - you can just read specs. |
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| 23:24.07 | SpeedEvil | gena2x: Assuming the spec is not a lie. |
| 23:24.40 | SpeedEvil | does not support irony in the top half of the hour. |
| 23:24.41 | gena2x | SpeedEvil: Assuming this world really exist. |
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| 23:26.32 | gena2x | Btw, chrome/Linux is nice anyway - linux will be feed with drivers for current hardware. It's nice. |
| 23:26.45 | TAsn | gena2x, aye. |
| 23:27.12 | TAsn | it's the best announcement ever |
| 23:27.16 | pieterc | gena2x:that's what foss is meant for |
| 23:27.21 | pieterc | just love this system ;) |
| 23:27.28 | TAsn | furthermore, people will probably get used for Open office |
| 23:27.31 | TAsn | *to |
| 23:27.34 | pieterc | no |
| 23:27.38 | TAsn | or actually no, google have google docs |
| 23:27.39 | TAsn | yeah. |
| 23:27.39 | TAsn | ;\ |
| 23:27.41 | pieterc | I doubt that |
| 23:27.44 | pieterc | yes |
| 23:27.45 | pieterc | indeed |
| 23:27.55 | pieterc | the only application for the chrome OS |
| 23:27.55 | TAsn | well at least it'll make room for non .doc standards :) |
| 23:27.56 | pieterc | is |
| 23:27.56 | pieterc | ... |
| 23:27.58 | pieterc | Chrome |
| 23:28.07 | pieterc | everything will run into the browser |
| 23:28.21 | gena2x | Not everyone is ready to give his docs to google :) |
| 23:28.22 | TAsn | pieterc, you are probably right |
| 23:28.27 | TAsn | gena2x, gears |
| 23:28.32 | pieterc | TAsn: I'm a lifelong user of openoffice |
| 23:28.52 | TAsn | pieterc, will probably just boot x without even a windows manager :) |
| 23:28.55 | pieterc | and i'm convinced it's not the best program out there |
| 23:28.59 | TAsn | or even worse, not X |
| 23:29.04 | pieterc | i just lack alternatives |
| 23:29.10 | pieterc | i try to use latex as much as possible:) |
| 23:29.11 | gena2x | Not X, not glibc... |
| 23:29.11 | TAsn | and if that'll happen we won't have cool new graphics drivers :( |
| 23:29.15 | SpeedEvil | x? |
| 23:29.22 | SpeedEvil | Surely x should be in the browser. |
| 23:29.27 | SpeedEvil | Maybe an extension. |
| 23:29.32 | pieterc | SpeedEvil: android doesn't use x? |
| 23:29.43 | TAsn | pieterc, I ditched open office... |
| 23:29.50 | TAsn | I moved to latex (and actually mostly lyx lately) |
| 23:29.53 | SpeedEvil | X - written in xul/js/xbl! |
| 23:29.55 | gena2x | as far as i know no. |
| 23:30.05 | SpeedEvil | Can't you see that this is the future! |
| 23:30.09 | gena2x | brrr. |
| 23:30.35 | pieterc | brrr² |
| 23:30.38 | SpeedEvil | With all the APIs rewritten to take XML. |
| 23:30.46 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, a browser is just bash with graphics support |
| 23:30.57 | gena2x | Wow, nice idea! |
| 23:31.01 | pieterc | TAsn: a browser is just bash |
| 23:31.03 | pieterc | lynx ftw! |
| 23:31.11 | TAsn | pieterc, hehe yeah. |
| 23:31.16 | TAsn | I had chrome in mind though |
| 23:31.17 | TAsn | :) |
| 23:31.22 | pieterc | yea! We should make chrome OS for hackers |
| 23:31.25 | pieterc | lynx OS |
| 23:31.28 | pieterc | ^^ |
| 23:31.31 | TAsn | pieterc, ++ |
| 23:31.33 | TAsn | :) |
| 23:31.40 | gena2x | Btw, chrome is flighting fast. Have you try it? |
| 23:31.47 | TAsn | gena2x, I have. |
| 23:31.49 | TAsn | it's nice. |
| 23:31.51 | TAsn | :) |
| 23:31.52 | pieterc | is it out yet? |
| 23:31.56 | gena2x | Beta |
| 23:31.59 | pieterc | oh |
| 23:32.01 | pieterc | okay |
| 23:32.01 | gena2x | I mean alpha |
| 23:32.01 | TAsn | (tried it on a windows box) |
| 23:32.10 | pieterc | TAsn: shame on you |
| 23:32.14 | gena2x | I've tried in linux. |
| 23:32.19 | TAsn | I ain't gonna ditch ff anytime soon |
| 23:32.29 | pieterc | gena2x: atm epiphany is doing the greatest trick for me |
| 23:32.33 | TAsn | I need my extensions :) |
| 23:32.35 | pieterc | I only use that one |
| 23:32.37 | gena2x | It didn't work, but didn't work so fast! |
| 23:32.43 | TAsn | I'm an extension ho. |
| 23:32.54 | pieterc | Epiphany does got extensions |
| 23:33.05 | pieterc | the ff ones work in epiphany |
| 23:33.14 | TAsn | pieterc, really? sweet! |
| 23:33.25 | pieterc | but epiphany is very fast |
| 23:33.30 | pieterc | imho |
| 23:33.35 | TAsn | is launching epiphany |
| 23:33.54 | pieterc | is warning apt-get install epiphany = game |
| 23:34.07 | pieterc | epiphany-browser |
| 23:34.10 | pieterc | is the right package |
| 23:34.15 | pieterc | in deb/ubuntu |
| 23:34.15 | gena2x | Hm... really fast. |
| 23:34.25 | pieterc | didn't i told you ;) |
| 23:34.26 | TAsn | pieterc, I'm not a deb/ubuntu user :) |
| 23:34.27 | pieterc | tell |
| 23:34.33 | pieterc | TAsn: I'm sorry to hear that |
| 23:34.38 | TAsn | epiphany is blazing fast. |
| 23:34.40 | TAsn | nice. |
| 23:34.41 | gena2x | I even started using konqeror some time ago... |
| 23:34.49 | gena2x | But this seem much better |
| 23:35.15 | pieterc | <3 epiphany |
| 23:35.34 | TAsn | Does Epiphany run Firefox extensions? |
| 23:35.34 | TAsn | No, |
| 23:35.39 | TAsn | from their faq ;) |
| 23:35.48 | TAsn | anyhow, it's nice and fast |
| 23:36.36 | TAsn | it even has an awesome bar |
| 23:36.38 | TAsn | sweet |
| 23:37.10 | gena2x | Hm, thanks for hint. I'll try this instead of konqueror |
| 23:38.24 | TAsn | hm.. wiki says it can use both webkit and gecko |
| 23:38.28 | TAsn | it seems mine uses gecko |
| 23:38.56 | *** join/#openmoko daMaestro|isBack (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) |
| 23:39.10 | TAsn | oh, it's switchable |
| 23:39.11 | TAsn | nice |
| 23:39.17 | TAsn | I wonder why gecko is the default |
| 23:39.23 | TAsn | anyhow, ciao, gn. |
| 23:40.44 | gena2x | It need 2x less cpu and 2x less memory for simple scrolling down same large page |
| 23:41.05 | TAsn | I guess that's why :) |
| 23:41.06 | gena2x | But something wrong with it :) |
| 23:41.13 | TAsn | now I'm really off ;) |
| 23:43.29 | pieterc | TAsn: |
| 23:43.30 | pieterc | okay |
| 23:43.31 | pieterc | bye ;) |