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07:49.40FiXion_any of you running fso-paroli unstable?
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08:18.12qasimalikhawajahello
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08:59.24FiXion_anyone know how to send a signal with mdbus cli ?
08:59.34FiXion_org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerControl.Power    from :1.18 /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi ('WiFi',True)
08:59.43FiXion_is what I want to send (output from mdbus -s -l)
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09:17.41FiXion_mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi org.freesmartphone.Resource.Enable (or .Disable)
09:29.17FiXion_anyone know if illume/enlightenment etc. is updated (for om2009-unstable) from the opkg sources ?
09:29.42FiXion_or if they only add new packages to the daily image
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10:41.05CIA-47freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07python-helpers * r6d7f51b5189a 10/mickeydbus/mdbus:
10:41.05CIA-47freesmartphone.org: Revert "mdbus: improve object path conversion"
10:41.05CIA-47freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 5d6585d76d91eb20c5f49a02c8bc03d0e9c56247.
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11:45.40fredrindiscovered pyneo.org today.......
11:48.17tig|flashed 3rdJuly image of SHR-Unstable and has a fully working phone
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11:56.29FiXion_tig|: I did the same - contacts and messages weren't as stable as I had hoped :(
11:56.47FiXion_and being compiled apps - debugging wasn't easy.. off to python land instead :)
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12:09.26tig|FiXion_:  they have been stable here,  contacts I needed to change the storage backend to csv and now it is fine,   messages the same
12:10.47FiXion_tig|: csv? you're not reading them from your sim card?
12:10.50DocScrutinizerheh, I installed OS xy, but the wallpapaer was so terrible... I had to go back to previous. (SCNR) ;-)
12:11.49tig|FiXion_: it reads them off the sim but I had problems adding a new contact using the sqllite backend if you change it in the settings to CSV storage it works
12:21.42DocScrutinizertig|: you should report those problems to dos1 / TAsn. IIRC dos1 told he had 1000 and some messages in sql, without problems
12:22.18TAsn?
12:22.34TAsnoh
12:22.44TAsntig|, please open a bug with all the needed debug information
12:22.50TAsn:)
12:23.39tig|TAsn: will do :)
12:23.59TAsngreat, thanks, and sorry for the hassle/bug :)
12:24.55DocScrutinizerTAsn: howdy :-)
12:25.04TAsnthey DocScrutinizer, sup?
12:25.13TAsnfinally got the items shipped from tuxbrain :)
12:25.19TAsnno money yet, though that's a start.
12:25.43TAsn(if you remember I had an issue with the cash won in a cofundos contest)
12:25.59DocScrutinizerno, missed that
12:26.11TAsnreally? I bitched quite a lot about it ;)
12:26.24DocScrutinizerhehe
12:26.27DocScrutinizerwhere?
12:26.30TAsnanyhow, I finally managed to reach them (using someone else who knew one of them)
12:26.39TAsnafter they didn't answer my mails
12:26.40TAsnmail
12:27.03TAsnthough after they didn't answer my mails for ~1 month iirc (and I don't really remember, I think it was closer to 2 months)
12:27.38TAsnanyhow they shipped me a "we're sorry for the delay" present
12:27.42TAsnso I'm cool :)
12:27.51DocScrutinizer:)
12:28.03TAsntoo bad though that with the present the total price was more than allowed to order here without paying customs
12:28.11TAsnso I had to pay A lot of money to customs :(
12:28.25DocScrutinizereeeek
12:28.31TAsnpretty sucky but not their fault
12:28.37TAsnI haven't thought about it
12:28.37DocScrutinizercustoms always a pita
12:28.40TAsnhad no idea :(
12:29.05DocScrutinizersame here when Suzhou sent some prototypes :-/
12:29.07TAsnpaid ~55$
12:29.13TAsn:(
12:30.18DocScrutinizerk, need start the day. cya :)
12:31.02TAsnDocScrutinizer, ciao :)
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12:57.06TAsntig|, saw the bug report, thanks.
12:57.12tig|no problem :)
12:57.49tig|TAsn: apart from that the 3rd July image is excellent,  good work :)
12:58.06tig|it really is usable as a daily phone
12:58.22TAsnwill look on that (actually probably dos1 will as he's the opimd king) soon.
12:58.24TAsnhave you tried entering contacts with short names?
12:58.41TAsntig|, yeah, I use the moko as a daily phone for quite some time
12:58.50TAsnthough lately shr brought it to a really usable level :)
12:58.58TAsn(after the frameworkd dbus bug got fixed)
12:59.16tig|I will have another go with short names and swap back to sqllite
12:59.28TAsnsoon enough I'll hopefully have more free time
12:59.36TAsntig|, are you sure you have enough room on sim card?
13:00.03tig|the difference between the june image and july one is huge when it comes to sound quality and stability
13:00.25tig|yeah should be plenty of space on sim
13:00.28TAsnhehe maybe I should reflash as well ;)
13:00.45TAsn(only upgraded lately)
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13:03.07tig|grrr
13:03.18tig|blasted thing is working now
13:03.25tig|perhaps something is not set initially
13:03.37tig|will update bug report
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13:04.37TAsn:)
13:04.47TAsnat least we solved the issue ;]
13:05.05DocScrutinizermove U20090703  to testing!
13:05.56TAsnDocScrutinizer, we should probably kill testing
13:06.00TAsnas it makes no sense atm
13:06.08DocScrutinizerack
13:06.36TAsnyou are only allow to have a testing release after you made a first stable release
13:06.37DocScrutinizeror move current U ;->
13:06.41TAsn:)
13:06.51TAsnDocScrutinizer, but it'll die slowly as the latest testing did
13:07.31DocScrutinizeranyway current T is nonsense
13:07.44TAsnI mean it's a good idea
13:07.49TAsnletting users upgrade without the worry of killing their moko
13:07.58DocScrutinizertotally borked comparing it to U
13:08.09TAsnthough I don't think we can handle it atm ;)
13:08.18TAsnaye.
13:08.33TAsnnot as stable as U and not as feature rich as U
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13:09.02tig|might be better just to recommend certain unstable images and advise against upgrading
13:09.04DocScrutinizer--> update to recent U, or kill!
13:09.26TAsntig|, aye, also thought about it
13:09.39TAsna "condition report"
13:09.47TAsnyou'll be able to see if it's safe to upgrade/flash latest
13:09.48TAsn:)
13:10.09TAsnmeans more than testing
13:10.12DocScrutinizersome helping hand for users to decide what to use is urgently needed
13:10.19TAsnaye.
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13:10.30tig|upgrade status :  green for "will probably work" amber for "some things will break" red for "you will probably need to reflash" :)
13:11.55DocScrutinizerimage status: totally cool, mostly annoying, will eat your cat
13:11.59DocScrutinizer;-D
13:12.30DocScrutinizerso U20090703 is red, green
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13:13.02DocScrutinizerthough upgrade status strongly depends on the version you're upgrading from
13:14.42DocScrutinizerupgrade from U0624 will probably work. Upgrade from testing will make FR coremelt
13:15.03TAsn:)
13:15.47TAsnupgrading from testing is highly discouraged
13:15.47TAsnand will actually surely break you moko
13:16.08TAsnDocScrutinizer, tig|, <SHR-WugBranler> tracfeed: Ticket #545 (Make a "safe to upgrade/reflash" indicator in IRC/Website) created <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/545>
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13:16.53DocScrutinizerduh, another fake ticket ;-)
13:17.22TAsnthis one is actually real :)
13:17.25DocScrutinizerwasn't 545 mofi must die?
13:17.25TAsncheck -cdevel
13:17.28TAsn:)
13:17.33DocScrutinizeroooh
13:17.37DocScrutinizer:)
13:17.45TAsnI open tickets when I'm too lazy to send an email
13:17.51TAsnmofi must die was 542, I think.
13:18.05TAsn;)
13:18.05TAsnthough that one was fake.
13:18.08tig|nope that was eldentica package request
13:19.00tig|666 would be a good ticket id for either something to do with mofi or midori :)
13:19.02TAsntig|, Jul 06 21:44:49 <TAsn>tracfeed: Ticket #542 (MoFi is deprecated and should die) created <http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/542>
13:19.10TAsn(did it as a joke)
13:19.26TAsntig|, iirc 666 was a big bug in the framework
13:19.28tig|ah :)
13:19.29TAsn:)
13:19.32DocScrutinizer666 is reserved for GSM-fw related bugs ;-)
13:19.41tig|hehehe :)
13:19.42TAsnoh right
13:19.45TAsnit was with the fw
13:19.48TAsn:)
13:19.59TAsnanyhow mofi should really die.
13:20.09TAsnthis way users will stop asking stupid questions about a stupid app :)
13:20.24TAsnI don't mind hearing stupid questions about good apps
13:20.24TAsn:)
13:21.02DocScrutinizerTAsn: so kick it out of default of SHR first of all
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13:21.22TAsnDocScrutinizer, that's probably a good idea.
13:21.43TAsnthough we need to first add NetworkManager
13:21.46TAsnor something that works :)
13:22.07TAsnsec, will issue a mail.
13:22.18DocScrutinizerTAsn: if you love tickets, then add a "backup/restore works" status field request to 545
13:22.20TAsn;)
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13:23.05DocScrutinizerso flashing is painless for user
13:23.09TAsnoh
13:23.14TAsnbackup/restore does work
13:23.19TAsnI do it all the time
13:23.36TAsncp /home/root
13:23.36TAsn:)
13:23.37TAsnI'm not joking that's most of the hassle :)
13:23.49DocScrutinizerduh, how am I supposed to know. Did you even thoroughly test it?
13:24.26DocScrutinizerand you know we got a backup in shr-settings now
13:25.25DocScrutinizerand, baaaad, I heard some user data is stored to /etc or sth :-(((
13:25.52DocScrutinizercontacts or dunno what
13:26.26DocScrutinizerso don't tell me "backup is dead simple"
13:27.25slaxxerprogress
13:28.55TAsnDocScrutinizer, sent to shr-user :)
13:29.08DocScrutinizer:-)
13:29.13TAsnDocScrutinizer, actually the phonelog
13:29.26TAsnis stored in /var/db
13:29.26TAsnso you are probably right :)
13:29.31DocScrutinizeraah, equaly bad
13:29.56TAsnit's an issue though
13:30.02TAsnwe gotta think about the right way to do it
13:30.08TAsnbecause merging configs can be an hassle
13:30.10DocScrutinizeryup
13:30.15TAsnit can't just be diff
13:30.24TAsnalthough diff will mostly work, it won't always
13:30.36DocScrutinizerknow problem
13:30.44TAsnand do we really want to copy all the "hidden" dirs in the home dir?
13:30.46DocScrutinizerknown
13:30.50TAsn;\
13:30.55TAsnis there a known solution? :)
13:31.37DocScrutinizersee the hassle "big" projects like KDE or even whole distros do to upgrade
13:32.15DocScrutinizerno golden way, lots and lots of nasty scripts coded by hand
13:32.37TAsn:(
13:33.17DocScrutinizerTAsn: ideally app-devels think about a decent upgrade-path during development
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13:33.48DocScrutinizerif they don't we run into trouble inevitably
13:34.28TAsnbut reflahing
13:34.34TAsnis not like upgrading
13:34.38TAsn;\
13:34.43TAsnupgrading is way easier
13:35.01DocScrutinizere.g. if you add a field to a sql-database, you *ought* provide a script to adapt existing database as well
13:35.25TAsnought is not a strong enough word :)
13:35.35TAsnyou *deserve a death sentence if you don't*
13:35.39TAsnis more suitable ;)
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13:36.06DocScrutinizerbackup needs a way to export/import data from whatever is the project-data format. copying files usually isn't enough
13:36.23TAsnyep
13:36.31TAsnwe must think about a backup formate
13:36.42TAsn-e
13:36.56TAsnand just build scripts that will import to the existing version no matter what changes have been done
13:37.15DocScrutinizerexactly
13:37.27TAsnprobably through the use of soild API
13:37.32SpeedEvilsuggests tar.
13:38.02DocScrutinizerhow should tar restore a changed sql???
13:39.55DocScrutinizerbasically tar is doing exactly that: copying files. We just found that's not the whole cake
13:42.28SpeedEvilyes - I wasn't being serious.
13:42.34SpeedEvilYou need something rather complex alas.
13:43.06TAsnaye.
13:43.08SpeedEvilXML! It's the solution to everything.
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13:43.37TAsnwhy xml when you can use the less widely used and more complex (in my pov) yaml?
13:43.38TAsn:)
13:44.01DocScrutinizermeeheeeehe
13:44.06SpeedEvilOr to really play with peoples heads that mozilla file format.
13:44.12TAsnanyhow, I'm off.
13:44.27SpeedEvilThat I forget the name of - and uses 34 different methods of quoting.
13:44.45sybrenSpeedEvil: isn't mozilla using sqlite as well nowadays?
13:44.55TAsnSpeedEvil, let's reinvent the wheel!!! I want a custom one! :)
13:45.05sybrenlol
13:45.17SpeedEvilsybren: possibly.
13:45.26DocScrutinizerwait, I come up with a spec in 150sec
13:45.31SpeedEvilsybren: The person responsible for the previous mess needs some reeducation.
13:46.19SpeedEvilTAsn: It's more fun to adapt a wheel in such a way that it looks exactly like the previous wheel, but explodes at speeds that are an integer multiple of e.
13:46.50SpeedEvilA generic solution would be so nice.
13:47.10SpeedEvilBut - I think a 'mostly works' solution is probably attainable.
13:47.24DocScrutinizerscripts then
13:48.00DocScrutinizergood ol'shellscripts
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13:48.10sybrenDocScrutinizer: for the same problem (DB updates) at my work I use Liquibase. It's written in Java, but perhaps it's nice to look/sniff at for some inspiration
13:48.10SpeedEvilAnd with the option to simply rollback to an earlier version if the flash borks things.
13:49.38max_posedonDocScrutinizer, for *sql* you may fe find interested concept which used in RubyOnRails (or even use it)
13:49.58max_posedonthey have database version similar to svn revision (stored in db)
13:50.17tig|SpeedEvil: regarding your wheel exploding at speeds comment,  I think you just described opkg :)
13:50.26SpeedEvil:)
13:50.27max_posedonand developers write scripts to update rev, and descrees revision.
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14:00.18rhkfinDocScrutinizer: Do you know how high voltages can FR take over USB? 4x 1.2V NiMh batteries give out something like 5.5Volts - is that too  much, is there a regulater/something that can take it? It's a pain to have the NiMH that recharge to over 1.2V.. Using a 5V regulator is an  option as well as 5.1V diod but generally not good ideas as power's lost already before entering the phone..
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14:01.29DocScrutinizerrhkfin: 5V5 ABSOLUTE maximum
14:02.12rhkfinDocScrutinizer: ok
14:02.18rhkfin5V5 = 5.5V?
14:03.54DocScrutinizerrhkfin: usually best to use VBat of at least 7V, and regulator. Or switching reg that uplevels 2V5..3V to the needed 5
14:04.16DocScrutinizer2V5=2.5V
14:04.51rhkfinHmm.. okay..  I just thought 4x 1.2 would be nice 4.8V but it doesn't seem to be that simple..
14:05.41TAsnSpeedEvil, lol.
14:06.14DocScrutinizernah, but actually even power over USB should work for 3V6..5V2 range
14:06.46DocScrutinizerso with 3 cells you might be fine
14:06.50SpeedEvilrhkfin: A 5.1V diode is not an option
14:07.02SpeedEvilrhkfin: they don't do what you think they do
14:07.03DocScrutinizernot at all
14:07.48SpeedEvilwould tend towards 2 Li-ion cells, and a buck
14:08.03DocScrutinizerme too
14:08.04SpeedEvilOr two in parallel, and a boost
14:08.23rhkfinDocScrutinizer: ah so I don't need to have 5V to be able to recharge? -> 3x 1.2V = 3.6V would already allow me to recharge the phone? Nice!
14:08.47rhkfinbuck?
14:08.47DocScrutinizerrecharge: no. Operate: yes
14:09.04SpeedEvilrhkfin: what are you trying to do?
14:09.06rhkfinDocScrutinizer: hmm.. not enough..
14:09.35SpeedEvilA buck converter is a switched-mode efficient step-down converter
14:09.44DocScrutinizerrhkfin: there's ready-made usb-bat supplies
14:09.46SpeedEvilthey can have efficiencies in the region of 95%
14:09.49SpeedEvilyeah
14:09.50rhkfinSpeedEvil: trying to come up with an easy way to power up Freerunner on bike trip for a long time. (well, 12 hours would be a start.. gprs+gps+display on all the time..)
14:10.34rhkfinBeing able to use AA batteries allows me a longer time and better usability than the ready-made usb-batts..
14:10.56SpeedEvilThere are complex solutions, and easy solutions.
14:11.34DocScrutinizereasy: use 5 cells and a LDO
14:11.51SpeedEvilhttp://www.sureelectronics.net/goods.php?id=837
14:11.57SpeedEvilis one of the easy solutions
14:12.06SpeedEvilAnd 6 or more cells.
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14:14.23rhkfinokay, I see.. I was thinking 4 cells would be enough but I was wrong :/ Well thanks for the tips, let's see what I come up with..
14:14.40SpeedEvilrhkfin: Or the _very_ easy solution.
14:14.47SpeedEvilCar-USB adaptor.
14:14.53SpeedEvilTeeny 12V lead-acid
14:15.33rhkfinSpeedEvil: That's true - but not easy to recharge on a random place, is it?
14:16.02SpeedEviltrue
14:16.09SpeedEvilyou'd need a charhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/12v-2-4Ah-12-volt-2-2Ah-SLA-Battery-Yuasa-Type_W0QQitemZ300300144737QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ConsumerElectronics_Batteries_SM?hash=item45eb489061&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1683|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50ger
14:16.16SpeedEvilyou'd need a charger
14:16.54sebbshmm my prototype works
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14:17.43rhkfinSpeedEvil: 2.2A - I think the USB battery packs do better than that?
14:17.48rhkfin(or 2.4A)
14:17.50rhkfinAh
14:18.14sebbsis there a interest for organizing tools for openmoko?
14:18.16SpeedEvilWattage = voltage * amperage
14:18.21SpeedEvilsebbs: tools?
14:18.46SpeedEvil12V*2.2Ah = 24Wh - the internal battery is 3.6V*1.2Ah = 4Wh
14:19.13sebbswell, hmm, it would take a while to explain, i kinda used 3 opensource software and added them together making them into one tool
14:19.48sebbsdue to lack of time (otherwise i would have done it from scratch)
14:19.58rhkfinSpeedEvil: you're right..
14:20.08rhkfinsebbs: show a screenshot
14:20.09sebbsthen a i made a gui for it
14:20.10SpeedEvilWhat does this tool do? Compile fortran? Pilot ICBMs?
14:20.46DocScrutinizerFORTRAN please ;-)
14:22.12sebbsrhkfin: i dont know what i would screenshoot, i think i will continue coding o this for myself then make something which i can exlpain how to use ^^ its a wild prototype of a GTD conforming tool which has a textbased backend but python popup windows as well
14:22.49sebbsoh and advanced date generated todo tickets, and overview tools etc
14:22.53rhkfinsebbs: ok.. so instead tell me a use case scenario why would someone use it?
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14:24.50sebbsrhkfin: i use it so that i can take input and create actions from them that i can do. then have a gui that presents me the actions so that i can work on them. do you know what GTD is ?
14:25.25sebbsyou would use it to basically get things done ;P
14:25.52sebbsit gives you item to work with and when you are done you press done, and it gets checked off
14:26.05sebbsand puts it into a done file and another script generates a report of that
14:26.13DocScrutinizersort of pim. sounds interesting
14:26.14sebbsim not very good at explaining as you can see
14:26.23sebbsyes but GTD
14:27.32DocScrutinizersebbs: create a project out of it, you can host on OM.org somewhere
14:28.17sebbsyeah i would need to clean it up alot though and add the last of the features so its really useable
14:28.45sebbsis there any documentation i could look at which would be appropriate? (how to package to openmoko etc)
14:28.50DocScrutinizera lot of the projects there are 0.0.1
14:29.01sebbsi am not a programmer at all, i am a systemadmin
14:29.24sebbsthe gtd system i use is more like a ticketing system then pim
14:29.41sebbsbut very stripped down so its useful for day to day use
14:29.48sebbsDocScrutinizer: yes that is true
14:29.53FiXion_sebbs: I'm a systemadmin too. I'm looking forward to testing pyneo.org - Debian on the freerunner :)
14:29.58sebbssourceforge is filled with prealpha stuff
14:30.05FiXion_sebbs: that way I can just do .deb packages etc. :)
14:30.08sebbsFiXion_: i was using debian before
14:30.17sebbsyou can already install it
14:30.22FiXion_sebbs: I know
14:30.44sebbsoh ok i missunderstood what you said i think
14:30.48sebbsi will look at pyneo
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14:32.01sebbsseems interesting
14:32.26DocScrutinizersebbs: http://projects.openmoko.org/
14:32.28sebbsi wonder how well python would work on the phone though, its pretty heavy ive noticed
14:33.36SpeedEvilPython can be fast! http://www.myhdl.org/
14:33.41SpeedEvilYou need a FPGA though.
14:33.44sebbsnow when RAM and stuff matters python is not very optimal, coding in C/C++ seems alot faster
14:33.53sebbsas well
14:34.16sebbsbut i dont know, its hard to tell
14:34.32sebbsSpeedEvil: what is FPGA?
14:34.44DocScrutinizersebbs: actual framework is mostly python
14:35.03DocScrutinizerFPGA = coporcessor basically
14:35.19sebbsDocScrutinizer: yes i have noticed, i was running a distro using neod which eat alot of RAM+cpu
14:35.31sebbsalmost half of the phone
14:35.54DocScrutinizercya, fellas
14:36.06sebbsbye
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14:36.46sebbspython is a nice language to program with though, good documentation
14:37.43sebbsFiXion_: pyneo looks interesting
14:38.32sebbsi might trt it out when it gets more stable (from the looks of 'status' wlan is not working
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14:43.25FiXion_I think it is working.
14:43.37FiXion_I tried neovento (another debian based ) and it worked fine
14:44.02FiXion_it's too big for nand though - and I'm still waiting for my sd
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16:16.44thrasholdWhat will I lose if I change the default scenario from steroout to voip-handset?
16:17.18TAsncall ringing?
16:17.23TAsn:)
16:19.43thrasholdHm, that's bad
16:19.53thrasholdNot that I need it, but anyway :)
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16:20.30TAsnvibrating is sometimes enough :)
16:20.35TAsn*vibration
16:20.45TAsnwhat are you trying to achieve?
16:20.59thrasholdI want to be able to record sound
16:21.06thrasholdFor guitar tuner, dictating, etc.
16:22.30thrashold(Actually, I wrote a python-elementary frontend to arecord, and I wanted to test it :) )
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16:32.52TAsnthrashold, you don't have to use the voip-handset scenario
16:33.06TAsnthrashold, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem
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16:33.13TAsnyou can just tweak steeout
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16:33.15TAsn:)
16:33.17TAsnstereout*
16:38.04DocScrutinizerTAsn: thrashold: exactly
16:38.31TAsnDocScrutinizer, I know you agree, you thought me everything I know :) (well, you and PaulFertser)
16:38.56DocScrutinizerand if you wait another few days, you may use my ACI-virtual audio devices ans even safe that thweaking all together
16:40.02DocScrutinizerthrashold: you simply use handset-mic for alsa recording device then and everything fine
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16:40.46DocScrutinizeras long as no conflicting (ACI compliant) scenario is active
16:41.10TAsns/thought/taught/
16:41.12TAsnshameful :(
16:42.08DocScrutinizerthrashold: the idea of ACI is no app ever needs to care about scenarios again
16:43.05thrasholdThanks. Now that I looked at the scenarios, I actually got even more confused.  :P :D
16:43.07DocScrutinizeras ALSA "automagically" is loading correct "mini-scenario" for the particular device's needs
16:44.09thrasholdAmp Spk Switch controls whether the sound goes to the headphones or the speaker on the phone?
16:44.38DocScrutinizerthrashold: I know I'm talking way too long about that now, but recently we got almost all the parts together and it's coming RSN ;-)
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16:46.54DocScrutinizer(spl sw) yup
16:48.37DocScrutinizerthough there's a bad hw-gotcha: switching to sounder-speaker doesn't mean headphones are disabled completely, so it's strongly deprecated to do this while hp are plugged in (dangerous high level on one ear!)
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20:08.57Weissnyargh.. for anyone who though OM had the monopoly on dodgy sound quality, i've just had a hellish job trying to give my address over the phone :S
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20:11.39azaghallol
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20:12.27azaghalSo... A girl calls you to get your phone number because she thinks you're cute... You say "2", she hears "22"... Disastrous, isn't it? :)
20:13.24Weisslol
20:13.57Weissi think my tickets are going to get dispatched to the "Apartment of Material Silence", instead of the "Department of Materials Science"
20:13.59azaghalSo, instead of calling you later on, she calls some guy on the other side of the planet who has no idea what she's talking about.
20:14.53Weissi think the microphone has some mud in it. but because the manufacturer didn't provide the right screwdriver, i can't clean it out.. >:->
20:15.55Weissi think my postcode is unique to my department though, so it should be ok
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20:21.02DocScrutinizerWeiss: get a TX6, to be found in every good toolstore
20:22.42Weissnononono, you misread :) - i have all parts of the "Openmoko ultra-geek expansion pack", i was complaining about my samsung..
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20:32.06Weissah, fortunately there's an online system to fix the address
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23:49.33slaxxerhows the latest shr-unstable kernel?
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23:55.07taehow do i turn off the screen on the phone?
23:55.43taeits plugged into the wall but the screen is on all the time full lit, and it feels like its a waist of screen(since it will not work forever and the more its used to sooner it breaks)
23:56.39taeperhaps i should just install a screensaver
23:57.26slaxxerpower settings on shr maybe
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