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| 00:38.35 | Blu3 | dos1, is opimd going to handle MMS? |
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| 02:46.50 | retracile | anyone here use the debug board before? |
| 02:50.58 | retracile | _really_ basic question: do you connect it to the PC using the mini-usb port, or one of the two full-size usb ports? |
| 02:51.55 | retracile | advanced question: what are J2, J3, and J4? |
| 03:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | pc->mini-USB, J2,3,4 are JTAG standard post connector etc |
| 03:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/debug_board/OpenMoKo_Debug_Board_V3_MP.pdf |
| 04:12.18 | retracile | DocScrutinizer: Thanks! That should get me headed in the right direction. :) |
| 04:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | np |
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| 08:10.39 | azaghal | onen|openBmap: In case you need to upgrade again and it segfaults - while read package; do opkg upgrade "$package"; done < <(opkg list_upgradable | awk '{print $1}') |
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| 08:12.19 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: thanks! |
| 08:12.29 | azaghal | It'll upgrade packages one by one. |
| 08:12.38 | onen|openBmap | feels like stupid not having done this by himself |
| 08:13.29 | azaghal | Hm... You might need bash for the above thing, though. |
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| 11:49.47 | ian202 | hi all |
| 11:50.02 | ian202 | i would like to tell you that iam new to openmoko |
| 11:50.29 | ian202 | i would like to know can i flash my phone uesing xp |
| 11:50.44 | ian202 | or how can i flash my phone uesing memory card |
| 11:51.32 | PaulFertser | ian202: for flashing you better use some GNU/Linux livecd or boot from uSD and use flasherase_all - nandwrite combo. Read the wiki for detailed instructions. |
| 11:52.12 | ian202 | i have real all thind but as i don't know linux i can't undersatnd that |
| 11:52.40 | ian202 | earlier i was uesing motorola a1200 that can be mode or flash easly from xp |
| 11:53.17 | ian202 | how can i flsh it through memory card |
| 11:53.29 | dos1 | ian202: i don't understand, why windows people are buying openmoko phones... could you tell me, why? ;) |
| 11:53.30 | ian202 | i have got the bin file and jffs2 file |
| 11:53.56 | ian202 | i was uesing a1200 motoming so i baught This one |
| 11:54.15 | dos1 | ian202: but that's phone for linux geeks! :o |
| 11:54.21 | dos1 | (freerunner) |
| 11:54.47 | ian202 | can you help me out with this one i have om2008 in my freeruner |
| 11:55.05 | dos1 | ian202: why can't you use dfu-util? i think there is windows version... |
| 11:55.19 | ian202 | i can't install application on it and can't flash |
| 11:55.39 | ian202 | that is hard to understand i have spent my week over that but no ues |
| 11:55.43 | dos1 | why can't you install applications on it?... |
| 11:55.48 | dos1 | huh |
| 11:55.57 | dos1 | i really think FreeRunner isn't for you :( |
| 11:56.03 | ian202 | i don't know where to install |
| 11:56.23 | ian202 | everytime i click on instaaler it says some warning |
| 11:56.38 | dos1 | you need to have working internet connection |
| 11:56.41 | ian202 | please guyes help me out |
| 11:57.10 | ian202 | i have a iphone besed firmware download from fourms of openmoko |
| 11:57.32 | ian202 | yes i have the internet connection |
| 11:57.54 | dos1 | o_O |
| 11:58.07 | SpeedEvil | you have no other device than your iphone to flash it with? |
| 11:58.35 | PaulFertser | LOL |
| 11:58.53 | ian202 | its looks like iphone but not iphone firmware |
| 11:58.56 | PaulFertser | ian202: just read the wiki it has all the information you need. |
| 11:59.09 | dos1 | ian202: a) you're hard to understand b) you say nonsense c) IMO FR isn't for you |
| 11:59.17 | PaulFertser | dos1++ |
| 11:59.21 | ian202 | to be true i am not able to understand |
| 11:59.46 | PaulFertser | Communication breakdown, it's always the same |
| 11:59.48 | ian202 | i can understand that |
| 11:59.57 | ian202 | but i am trying to learn |
| 12:00.09 | SpeedEvil | You have a freerunner phone? Or are you trying to install onto something else? |
| 12:00.31 | ian202 | is it possible to flash the openmoko through memory card |
| 12:00.42 | ian202 | i have only few icon in my phone |
| 12:01.15 | PaulFertser | ian202: i've already told you yes, it's possible. |
| 12:01.21 | ian202 | contect, dailer, maps, setting,massage, soduku nothing else |
| 12:01.23 | PaulFertser | ian202: you need a uSD you can boot from |
| 12:01.38 | PaulFertser | ian202: then you do flasherase_all - nandwrite combo |
| 12:01.43 | dos1 | it's possible, yes, but it's harder than just flashing by usb |
| 12:02.13 | PaulFertser | ian202: FR is a small portable GNU/Linux capable computer, you need to think about it that way. |
| 12:02.13 | ian202 | i am uesing xp |
| 12:02.25 | dos1 | ian202: asking again - why can't you just use dfu-util? |
| 12:02.32 | dos1 | all needed examples are on wiki |
| 12:02.35 | dos1 | just copy-paste... |
| 12:02.39 | PaulFertser | thought it's common for India inhabitants to understand english properly... |
| 12:03.22 | ian202 | let me tell you what i have done |
| 12:03.45 | ian202 | its ask me to download dfu-util |
| 12:03.50 | ian202 | i have done that |
| 12:03.53 | PaulFertser | ian202: who asks? |
| 12:04.18 | ian202 | therefor i have created the mini gw but its not working |
| 12:04.35 | ian202 | so finaly i desided to flash uesing memory card |
| 12:04.35 | PaulFertser | Mini gw! OMG |
| 12:04.49 | ian202 | i have formated my memory card uesing fat32 |
| 12:04.59 | PaulFertser | O_O |
| 12:05.21 | ian202 | i have puted both the file bin and iPhoneOS_rootfs_20090401.jffs2 |
| 12:05.21 | PaulFertser | ian202: i don't want to sound very rude but really, nobody here can understand you |
| 12:05.23 | dos1 | fat32? |
| 12:05.26 | dos1 | WTF? |
| 12:05.31 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 12:05.33 | PaulFertser | :DDDD |
| 12:05.44 | dos1 | ian202: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util-windows |
| 12:05.48 | dos1 | first position in google |
| 12:05.53 | dos1 | read first section |
| 12:06.05 | dos1 | and use tips from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util |
| 12:06.21 | dos1 | don't play with memory card or other stuff - it's really not for you :x |
| 12:06.37 | ian202 | k |
| 12:06.51 | dos1 | and don't try to compile dfu-util by yourself |
| 12:06.57 | ian202 | i am totaly confuesed i have spent over 350 us$ over it |
| 12:07.00 | dos1 | at end of first section you have link to ready binaries |
| 12:07.22 | dos1 | ian202: but it was your decision. |
| 12:07.25 | dos1 | your fault :P |
| 12:07.28 | dos1 | it's not for you... |
| 12:07.46 | SpeedEvil | I don't think it's really very hidden that it's not a consumer-ready phone. |
| 12:08.28 | dos1 | Freerunner != iPhone |
| 12:08.33 | ian202 | umm |
| 12:08.52 | dos1 | freerunner is smartphone sized GNU/Linux box for developers, geeks and power linux users |
| 12:08.56 | ian202 | can anybody tell me that how to do that step by step |
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| 12:09.12 | dos1 | with ability to make phone calls :P |
| 12:09.15 | ian202 | i have def-utili with me |
| 12:10.47 | SpeedEvil | Where are you ian202? |
| 12:10.57 | ian202 | please help me out in simple words |
| 12:11.31 | PaulFertser | ian202: it's impossible |
| 12:11.46 | SpeedEvil | The problem is that even if someone can help you get it flashed - there isn't really much you can do without learning a _LOT_. |
| 12:12.03 | PaulFertser | ian202: it's like an elementary schoolboy asks to help him solve diffirential equations. |
| 12:12.03 | dos1 | SpeedEvil: ++ |
| 12:12.31 | ian202 | but if someone can help me i can do it |
| 12:12.43 | ian202 | i have unbuntu in my notebook |
| 12:13.08 | SpeedEvil | it is _NOT_ at the state of ubuntu on notebooks |
| 12:13.21 | SpeedEvil | That's almost usable by someone with little knowledge.. |
| 12:13.35 | ian202 | please help me |
| 12:13.36 | SpeedEvil | Owing to hundreds of man-years of effort. |
| 12:13.52 | ian202 | i have spent my week over it and lots of money |
| 12:14.08 | PaulFertser | ian202: have you read the ML before you considered buying it? |
| 12:14.10 | ian202 | just tell me how can i flash this devise uesing memory card |
| 12:14.19 | ian202 | what to do step by step |
| 12:14.21 | ian202 | please |
| 12:14.35 | PaulFertser | ian202: what do you want to flash on it? |
| 12:14.40 | PaulFertser | ian202: iphone rootfs? |
| 12:14.54 | ian202 | yes |
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| 12:15.50 | SpeedEvil | hahhahahhahahahhahahhahhahahh |
| 12:15.50 | PaulFertser | ian202: well, it doesn't make sense |
| 12:16.03 | SpeedEvil | You absolutely can't flash the iphone OS on it. |
| 12:16.07 | PaulFertser | ian202: even if we provided you directions how to do it. |
| 12:16.13 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: why? I think he can. |
| 12:16.16 | SpeedEvil | (well - without man-years of work.) |
| 12:16.28 | ian202 | i have computer with xp a 2gb memory card two files iPhoneOS_rootfs_20090401.jffs2, uImage nd openmoko device |
| 12:16.30 | PaulFertser | ian202: you can flash any junk to device. But it doesn't mean it will run. |
| 12:16.31 | SpeedEvil | can't flash the iphone OS on it and have it boot. |
| 12:16.48 | SpeedEvil | ian202: Ok - you can't do that. It will never work. |
| 12:17.20 | SpeedEvil | For much the same way horses don't work as transport if you feed them petrol. |
| 12:18.09 | ian202 | i got these file from |
| 12:18.23 | SpeedEvil | unfortunately, it sounds like you know _way_ less than you need to to be able to do much productive with the phone. |
| 12:18.44 | ian202 | perhaps |
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| 12:19.37 | ian202 | http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/neo1973-freerunner/26084-iphoneos-freerunner.html |
| 12:19.54 | ian202 | i got these file from http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/neo1973-freerunner/26084-iphoneos-freerunner.html |
| 12:20.41 | ian202 | or anyother firmware like qutopia wich will have all the multimedia application to run my phone |
| 12:21.06 | mjr | The referenced wiki page states it's an april fool's; http://openmoko-fr.org/wiki/index.php/IPhoneOS_on_Freerunner |
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| 12:21.30 | ian202 | k |
| 12:21.56 | ian202 | anyother good firmware with good application and how to flash it uesing memory card |
| 12:22.35 | PaulFertser | Nothing's better than iphoneos |
| 12:23.13 | ian202 | i mean to say for openmoko phone |
| 12:23.27 | PaulFertser | ian202: it's a development platform, not a phone |
| 12:23.41 | ian202 | i can understand |
| 12:23.55 | ian202 | but master always help to newbees |
| 12:24.08 | ian202 | ? |
| 12:24.29 | SpeedEvil | The problem is that you don't need one or two minutes help. |
| 12:24.36 | SpeedEvil | You need weeks, or months. |
| 12:24.54 | SpeedEvil | There are some images that mostly work as a phone |
| 12:24.56 | ian202 | there will be somthing in short |
| 12:25.13 | SpeedEvil | but they do not have lots of easy to use applications. |
| 12:25.27 | ian202 | k |
| 12:25.32 | mokowifi | Hi there. I tried to update my om2009 v5 with the latest releases and it seems some paroli-sounds packages are missing from the repository. Did anyone noticed it? |
| 12:25.33 | ian202 | so what should i do now |
| 12:25.50 | SpeedEvil | ian202: I assume you can't return the phone for a refund? |
| 12:26.14 | ian202 | yes thats the main problam |
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| 12:26.49 | ian202 | i will manage with a good firmware |
| 12:27.02 | ian202 | but please help me out |
| 12:27.18 | PaulFertser | ian202: there's no "good" (end-user ready) firmware yet. Sad but true. |
| 12:27.53 | ian202 | so please suggest me anyone you think better for me |
| 12:28.08 | ian202 | and yes how to instaal it |
| 12:28.24 | PaulFertser | ian202: you need to start to understand wiki first. |
| 12:28.30 | PaulFertser | ian202: to use dfu-util properly. |
| 12:28.43 | PaulFertser | ian202: after you do that, flash SHR testing image. |
| 12:29.41 | ian202 | the image i have is fake or real |
| 12:29.51 | mjr | also, you might want to upgrade the gsm firmware, which is luckily pretty easy with the sd image here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
| 12:29.54 | PaulFertser | ian202: it's a real image of FSO distro. |
| 12:30.12 | ian202 | iPhoneOS_rootfs_20090401.jffs2 |
| 12:30.22 | PaulFertser | mjr: easy for those who can use "dd" to prepare a uSD. |
| 12:30.34 | PaulFertser | ian202: man you start to look like a troll! |
| 12:31.03 | ian202 | lol |
| 12:31.08 | mjr | PaulFertser, well, there's instructions, so... But meh, what do I know. |
| 12:31.15 | ian202 | now i can laugh @ me |
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| 12:31.44 | PaulFertser | mjr: i was really sure that manual instructions are easy too. Reality proved to be different. |
| 12:32.12 | ian202 | is any video demo for newbees |
| 12:34.59 | PaulFertser | ian202: ok, let's proceed as following: you read the wiki page about flashing and tell us what you don't understand there. Follow the links dos1 gave you. |
| 12:35.06 | ian202 | k tell me is it easy to flash my phone uesing a linux pc like unbuntu or mindirova |
| 12:35.21 | ian202 | k |
| 12:35.28 | ian202 | let me tell you |
| 12:35.28 | PaulFertser | ian202: damn easy |
| 12:35.59 | ian202 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util-windows this is the page i start from |
| 12:36.33 | ian202 | as per instruction i have downloaded two files |
| 12:37.18 | ian202 | OpenMokoDFU.zip and dfu-util.exe |
| 12:37.55 | ian202 | now when i connect uesing usb it ask for some driver |
| 12:38.37 | PaulFertser | ian202: unzip the archive and give your windows that driver |
| 12:38.40 | ian202 | i have root the driver folder but phone do not choose any driver |
| 12:39.10 | PaulFertser | ian202: hm, i think i know why |
| 12:39.11 | ian202 | i also copy paste driver to win32 dir. |
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| 12:39.21 | PaulFertser | ian202: i think you booted the phone fully |
| 12:39.37 | ian202 | means |
| 12:39.39 | PaulFertser | ian202: you need to boot to the menu only (NAND u-boot menu) and stay there. |
| 12:39.52 | PaulFertser | ian202: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 12:39.56 | PaulFertser | ian202: boot to NAND u-boot |
| 12:40.00 | PaulFertser | ian202: stay in menu. |
| 12:40.20 | ian202 | k |
| 12:41.14 | ian202 | you mean to say by pressing the voice key and power on key pressinbg togather the menu will apear is nand moad |
| 12:41.50 | PaulFertser | ian202: read the page carefully, i can't say better than it's written there. |
| 12:42.53 | ian202 | k |
| 12:43.27 | ian202 | by this i can understand that i am in NOR FLASH menu rite now |
| 12:44.55 | ian202 | now it show me few option |
| 12:44.56 | ian202 | Boot |
| 12:45.24 | ian202 | 2. boot from micro sd |
| 12:45.35 | PaulFertser | ian202: ok, that's ok. Plug it to your pc and install the driver |
| 12:45.35 | ian202 | 3. set console to usb |
| 12:45.46 | ian202 | 4. set console to serial |
| 12:45.52 | ian202 | 5. reset |
| 12:46.02 | ian202 | 6. power off |
| 12:46.14 | PaulFertser | ian202: ian202 any u-boot will do, NAND and NOR (it's just that NOR has a 30-seconds timeout and it will boot automatically) |
| 12:48.13 | ian202 | hey now i have driver install |
| 12:48.20 | ian202 | let me tell wich driver |
| 12:48.28 | ian202 | only one driver is pending |
| 12:49.12 | ian202 | this one install agree pci sv92pp soft modem |
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| 12:50.06 | ian202 | now its asking for neo1973 bootloader 1.3.2-moko12 |
| 12:50.19 | PaulFertser | ian202: now you give it the driver you downloaded |
| 12:52.50 | ian202 | yes its install |
| 12:53.14 | ian202 | now what should i do |
| 12:54.21 | PaulFertser | ian202: boot to NAND u-boot menu and use dfu-util to flash kernel and rootfs. |
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| 12:57.50 | ian202 | wheni press def-util.exe its just popup and end nothing is hapning |
| 12:58.27 | PaulFertser | ian202: this kernel: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin and this rootfs: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 12:58.33 | PaulFertser | ian202: do not press dfu-util. |
| 12:58.38 | PaulFertser | ian202: use it according to the wiki! |
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| 13:00.51 | PaulFertser | Most windows users even doesn't know basics of their beloved operating system! Fuck. They ask me how to properly specify file to open serial port. Why do i know that it's "\\.\COM11" and they don't? Ewww |
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| 13:03.33 | Kyrah | helloooo, i'm trying to flash my phone with the shr-unstable rootfs however dfu-util keep throwing an "dfu_download error -81" before finishing. |
| 13:03.47 | Kyrah | has anybody heard of this issue? (GTA01 neo1973) |
| 13:03.48 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: you might ask why those bought a FR first instance ;-O) |
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| 13:04.58 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: this particular "newbee" used motorola a1200 and thought that any "linux phone" is similar. |
| 13:05.10 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: and probably that it can run "iphoneos". |
| 13:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | hates dfu-util throwing numeric errors due to coders wrer lazy to translate to decent plain text error notification |
| 13:05.54 | Kyrah | it always happen at the same spot, i'm wondering, do i need to do some partitioning to install the shr-unstable rootfs? |
| 13:05.54 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: double-check your command line (that you flash to the correct partition etc). And then try different usb port / cable, remove extra hubs on the way etc. |
| 13:06.00 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: no |
| 13:06.12 | Kyrah | itsnot random, it always happen at the exact same point |
| 13:06.14 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: ah, gta01! |
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| 13:06.26 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: wait, are you flashing the "light" image? |
| 13:06.31 | Kyrah | i tried both |
| 13:06.46 | ian2668 | soory sir i got disconected |
| 13:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: check for size of image |
| 13:06.52 | Kyrah | the kernel work fine |
| 13:07.01 | Kyrah | what image size should it be? |
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| 13:07.11 | ian2668 | tell me what to do after installing the nor boot driver |
| 13:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | less than the 128MB you have on GTA01 ;-) |
| 13:07.20 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: you need to be using light! |
| 13:07.31 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: not more than 64M |
| 13:07.38 | PaulFertser | ian202: do not press dfu-util. |
| 13:07.41 | PaulFertser | ian202: use it according to the wiki! |
| 13:07.43 | ian2668 | and after downloading k |
| 13:07.49 | PaulFertser | ian202: this kernel: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin and this rootfs: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 13:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | err, 64? sorry |
| 13:07.55 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: gta01 |
| 13:08.07 | soltys | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | yupyup |
| 13:08.11 | soltys | use unstable ;) |
| 13:08.13 | Kyrah | Paul i'm on a neo1973 |
| 13:08.18 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: rootfs partition is even less than 64M i think. |
| 13:08.24 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: install to uSD ;-) |
| 13:08.28 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: neo1973 == gta01 |
| 13:08.45 | Kyrah | umm what Doc? |
| 13:08.45 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: yes, i'd do as DocScrutinizer suggests, use rootfs on uSD. |
| 13:08.51 | ian2668 | first link download me a 1.4 mb file |
| 13:08.52 | Kyrah | i dunno how to do that |
| 13:08.56 | ian2668 | its a image file |
| 13:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: sure, as there's kernel, splash, root, etc partion |
| 13:09.05 | PaulFertser | ian2668: first link is the kernel image, second is the rootfs image. |
| 13:09.13 | Kyrah | i have the kernel latest in place |
| 13:09.24 | Kyrah | how do i install the rootfs on the sd card? |
| 13:09.48 | ian2668 | and another link gave me a 84 mb file wich is downloading |
| 13:09.50 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: make a single primary ext3 partition, untar the image there. |
| 13:10.00 | PaulFertser | ian2668: as expected |
| 13:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: that's all :-) |
| 13:10.37 | Kyrah | and what do i do with the rootfs? |
| 13:10.42 | ian2668 | now aht to do |
| 13:10.44 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: probably you'll need to tweak your u-boot menu to boot kernel from NAND but use rootfs on uSD |
| 13:10.53 | ian2668 | now what bto do ? |
| 13:10.56 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: then boot to uSD via uBoot-menu, or adjust your uBoot-env |
| 13:10.59 | Kyrah | hrm |
| 13:11.18 | Kyrah | so the gta01 light is guaranted to fit the rootfs? |
| 13:11.28 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: expand rootfs.tgz to uSD |
| 13:11.31 | Kyrah | i'm gonna try again maybe i screwed up something... |
| 13:11.33 | ian2668 | downloading finish |
| 13:11.38 | PaulFertser | ian2668: now read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Phrasebook until you're enlightened. |
| 13:11.40 | ian2668 | now what to do |
| 13:11.49 | Kyrah | yeah but i've no idea how to access the sdcard |
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| 13:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: via your desktop PC ;-) |
| 13:12.14 | PaulFertser | ian2668: where're you from? |
| 13:12.31 | Kyrah | Doc i knowit all sound simple for everyone exepted me. |
| 13:13.00 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: nah, see concurrent conversation PaulFertser | ian2668 |
| 13:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: learning curve on FR always very steep |
| 13:14.28 | Kyrah | especially when you use a Neo :) |
| 13:14.43 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: i want to buy a gta01 |
| 13:15.05 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: for kernel work and hardware investigations |
| 13:15.24 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: i want to improve suspend and running time. |
| 13:15.42 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: Neo == [gta01; Neo_1973 & gta02; Neo FreeRunner] |
| 13:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: so what PaulFertser actually wants to say: do you want to sell yours? |
| 13:16.48 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: can you imagine it? I failed to contact russian gta01 owners :( probably i need to try once more... |
| 13:17.33 | Kyrah | the light appears to weight 63 megs |
| 13:17.39 | Kyrah | sound good? |
| 13:17.48 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: too big |
| 13:18.07 | Kyrah | the only smaller ones are the tar.gz ones |
| 13:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: we know there's been issues with too big builds for GTA01 |
| 13:18.20 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: yeah, too big. Complain to SHR devs. |
| 13:18.51 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: dn't worry into a headache, use uSD rather |
| 13:19.14 | ian2668 | realy not getting anything |
| 13:19.23 | PaulFertser | ian2668: getting==understanding? |
| 13:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: dl the *.tgz and expand to uSD ext3 partition |
| 13:19.27 | ian2668 | where to tyep these comand |
| 13:19.30 | Kyrah | oh i found a 53 meg one |
| 13:19.35 | PaulFertser | ian2668: cmd.exe |
| 13:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: sounds muuuuch better |
| 13:19.52 | ian2668 | k |
| 13:19.57 | Kyrah | well i just wanna see the changes , see if it's worth putting my head back into it :) |
| 13:20.23 | ian2668 | it has opened a c++ window |
| 13:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: recent SHR *is* worth it |
| 13:20.33 | PaulFertser | ian2668: Holy SHIT! |
| 13:20.39 | DocScrutinizer | loool |
| 13:20.41 | PaulFertser | ian2668: magical XP build you have there for sure! |
| 13:21.08 | ian2668 | now what to tyep |
| 13:21.25 | PaulFertser | Your favourite C++ program of course |
| 13:21.29 | DocScrutinizer | happy to not have had any need to touch that redmond-crap for >6months now |
| 13:21.35 | PaulFertser | I always do that when i see C++ windows. |
| 13:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I guess ian2668 will go nuts on that advice ;-D |
| 13:23.06 | ian2668 | its shwoing me c/document and setting |
| 13:23.17 | DocScrutinizer | ian2668: wtf. Don't you get a simle terminal-window (white on black) when starting cmd.exe |
| 13:23.18 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 13:23.34 | ian2668 | yes |
| 13:23.44 | Kyrah | i don't get it... |
| 13:23.46 | ian2668 | but the start command is |
| 13:23.52 | PaulFertser | ian2668: ok, now type "cd <directory_you_copied_dfu_util.exe_to>" |
| 13:24.07 | Kyrah | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta01/shr-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20090611-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 --> 57Mb |
| 13:24.07 | PaulFertser | ian2668: then "dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D /path/to/openmoko-devel-image.jffs2" |
| 13:24.25 | Kyrah | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta01/shr-shr-lite-image-glibc-ipk--20090703-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 -- 63Mb |
| 13:24.42 | Kyrah | why would they release a "lite" that can't fit in rootfs? |
| 13:24.57 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: by mistake. They don't release. And don't test mostly. |
| 13:25.10 | Kyrah | well all the recent lite are too big for rootfs |
| 13:25.18 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: autobuilding. |
| 13:25.27 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: complain to SHR devs, they'll fix it. |
| 13:25.28 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: yes. nown issue |
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| 13:25.38 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: pester mrmoku ;-) |
| 13:25.42 | Kyrah | well imnot a pest i'm glad to get what i can |
| 13:25.56 | ian2668 | after tyeping nothing is hapning can you tell me the full comand what should i tyep |
| 13:25.58 | Kyrah | just thought it was curious |
| 13:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | ian2668: that's probably been the full command |
| 13:26.57 | ian2668 | you mean to say it will be like |
| 13:27.48 | ian2668 | c:\document and setting\amit> |
| 13:28.17 | ian2668 | c:\document and setting\amit> what to tyep after This |
| 13:28.28 | PaulFertser | 17:23 < PaulFertser> ian2668: ok, now type "cd <directory_you_copied_dfu_util.exe_to>" |
| 13:28.39 | PaulFertser | 17:23 < PaulFertser> ian2668: then "dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D /path/to/openmoko-devel-image.jffs2" |
| 13:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | cd MyOpenmokoDownloadDir |
| 13:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | dir dfu-util* |
| 13:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | ian2668: what output??? |
| 13:30.36 | Kyrah | yay booting and... "cannot run /etc/init.d/rcS press enter to open this console |
| 13:30.38 | Kyrah | -_- |
| 13:30.39 | ian2668 | don't mind nothing is hapning |
| 13:30.54 | ian2668 | just the same line apear again and again |
| 13:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I give up |
| 13:31.31 | ian2668 | c:\document and setting\amit> |
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| 13:32.20 | Kyrah | hrm |
| 13:32.32 | Kyrah | okay about this sd card rootfs :) |
| 13:32.59 | Kyrah | can i fill the sdcard from the phone through the usb cord without having a working system on it? |
| 13:33.04 | ian2668 | what to do sir |
| 13:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: much more convenient. 64 really is too small for a decent OS |
| 13:33.42 | ian2668 | dir is working show me lots of option |
| 13:33.48 | Kyrah | i most likely lost the usb dcard reader ... |
| 13:34.10 | ian2668 | i have all the file on my desktop |
| 13:34.19 | ian2668 | what will be the comand |
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| 13:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-07-04 15:28:28] <PaulFertser> 17:23 < PaulFertser> ian2668: ok, now type "cd <directory_you_copied_dfu_util.exe_to>" |
| 13:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-07-04 15:28:39] <PaulFertser> 17:23 < PaulFertser> ian2668: then "dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D /path/to/openmoko-devel-image.jffs2" |
| 13:37.11 | DocScrutinizer | ian2668: please try to find help from experienced windows users on how to use commandline terminal cmd.exe |
| 13:37.13 | Kyrah | can you dfu-util to the sd card? :) |
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| 13:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: nope |
| 13:38.23 | DocScrutinizer | but if you have a working OS on your device, you can scp |
| 13:38.47 | ian2 | do you have some desktop manager like desktop sharing clint |
| 13:38.56 | ian2 | so you can do it for me |
| 13:39.05 | Kyrah | well my device is inoperant for now |
| 13:39.28 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: alas it seems you just flashed a non-working OS to your device ;-P |
| 13:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 13:40.29 | Kyrah | yeah |
| 13:40.37 | Kyrah | i jsut found the usb to sdcard tool |
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| 13:40.50 | Kyrah | now if i could find the sdcard to microsd card tool... |
| 13:41.17 | ian2 | is anybody from india |
| 13:41.30 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: get yourself a uSD usb-stick. Transcend is selling uSD cards with usb-stick in a blister for ~3bucks more than plain uSD |
| 13:41.56 | dos1 | onen|openBmap: why some cells are white and some grey on google earth? |
| 13:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: or use that adapter, yeah |
| 13:43.06 | Kyrah | i haz it! |
| 13:43.23 | ian2 | is anybody from india |
| 13:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: I'm not sure about if old uBoot (or all uBoot) need a small (8MB) vfat partition at start of uSD to hold the kernel. I formated my uSD like this and it worked |
| 13:44.37 | Kyrah | the uboot does offer to boot on sdcard |
| 13:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser should know better, but then paul always used Qi ;-P |
| 13:44.46 | PaulFertser | ian2: search the internet for something like "command line cmd.exe for windows dummies" |
| 13:45.09 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: yes, default u-boot menu has that option but it wants to grab kernel from uSD too. |
| 13:45.28 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: the problem is that old u-boot versions (probably modern too) don't support SDHC. |
| 13:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: duh, boting great from 4GB here |
| 13:46.16 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: that's gta02 u-boot |
| 13:46.24 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 13:46.38 | PaulFertser | I know someone did SDHC support for u-boot on gta01 but i'm not sure it's now in the OM repo. |
| 13:47.05 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: i implemented SDHC for gta01 in Qi and it is in the OM repo for sure. |
| 13:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: so with a 1GB or smaler uSD you're fine anyway |
| 13:47.51 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: what's the uSD you intend to use right now? |
| 13:48.17 | Kyrah | a 4gb i have |
| 13:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | eew |
| 13:48.30 | Kyrah | eew? |
| 13:48.31 | DocScrutinizer | that's SDHC |
| 13:48.41 | Kyrah | well otherwise i have a 512mb |
| 13:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 13:48.53 | Kyrah | sdhc is a problem? |
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| 13:48.57 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: that one is perfect for now |
| 13:49.07 | Kyrah | wich one? |
| 13:49.11 | Kyrah | :D |
| 13:49.13 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-07-04 15:46:38] <PaulFertser> I know someone did SDHC support for u-boot on gta01 but i'm not sure it's now in the OM repo. |
| 13:49.19 | Kyrah | oh |
| 13:49.20 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: you can boot kernel from NAND and use SDHC rootfs without problems! |
| 13:49.27 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: just tweak u-boot menu |
| 13:49.42 | DocScrutinizer | another possible way, yes |
| 13:49.44 | Kyrah | well do i keep the 4gb or what? |
| 13:49.54 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: you choice |
| 13:49.57 | PaulFertser | choose |
| 13:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest you use the 512 for now |
| 13:50.09 | DocScrutinizer | least work |
| 13:50.12 | Kyrah | okay gonna forwmat it to ext3 and then i come back |
| 13:50.37 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: create a 8MB vfat and the remaining space ext3 |
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| 13:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | copy kernel to vfat partition |
| 13:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | expand rootfs.tgz to ext3 partition |
| 13:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | use uboot menu to "boot from uSD" |
| 13:51.47 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: ugly :-/ Are you sure uboot on gta01 doesn't support ext2? |
| 13:51.59 | PaulFertser | Well, whatever. |
| 13:52.03 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, as stated before |
| 13:52.13 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: i guess you need to start understanding that stuff yourself anyway. |
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| 13:52.54 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: or sell me your gta01 with a discount ;) |
| 13:52.57 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I guess old uBoot on gta01 needs the vfat |
| 13:53.41 | Kyrah | rah |
| 13:53.44 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: and hey, 512 - 8 = 504 |
| 13:53.47 | Kyrah | i jsut came back :( |
| 13:53.56 | Kyrah | and i guess i've to start over :D |
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| 13:54.10 | Kyrah | okay so a 8mb vfat and rest in ext2 ? |
| 13:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 13:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | or ext3 |
| 13:54.24 | Kyrah | oookayy |
| 13:54.31 | Kyrah | wich is best for this ? |
| 13:54.40 | Kyrah | speed, reliability on an sd card, etc |
| 13:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | mark vfat bootable - dunno if it's needed but wn't hurt |
| 13:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | ext3 preferred I think |
| 13:56.15 | Kyrah | what is the official name of vfat on fdisk? |
| 13:56.17 | Kyrah | fat16? |
| 13:57.02 | DocScrutinizer | dunno exactly. fat32, fat16 sth like that |
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| 13:58.54 | lysgaard | Anyone know what name an usbserial device would get in /dev/ on the newest kernel? |
| 13:59.17 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5287 10/trunk/gta02-core/scripts/all-sheets: |
| 13:59.17 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Added x offset to Postscript generated by all-sheets, so that we have less |
| 13:59.17 | CIA-47 | openmoko: (or no) clipping. |
| 14:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: cfdisk: |
| 14:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | Disk Drive: /dev/sdb |
| 14:01.24 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: hey :) |
| 14:01.37 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.00 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: hth |
| 14:02.17 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: vfat works on any fat version (fat12, fat16 and fat32) |
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| 14:02.40 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: it's a higher-level abstraction to use longnames and shit without loosing dos-compatibility. |
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| 14:02.57 | lysgaard | PaulFertser: Hey =) I've got the serial port working! =) There was something wrong with the latest SHR image, i flashed an older one |
| 14:03.07 | onen|openBmap | dos1: no idea. I will ask Nick if he knows |
| 14:03.15 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: the serial port? I thought you wanted usb host? |
| 14:03.21 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: |
| 14:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | halley:~ # ls -l /media/disk-2 |
| 14:03.24 | DocScrutinizer | total 1790 |
| 14:03.25 | DocScrutinizer | -rwxr-xr-x 1 jr root 1832140 May 30 02:22 uimage.bin |
| 14:04.25 | lysgaard | PaulFertser: Yup, then i plug an arduino board in the usb plug. It acts as an usbclient, and emulates a serialport |
| 14:04.36 | Kyrah | okay what you use already to format a fat partition? |
| 14:04.40 | Kyrah | mkfat or something? |
| 14:05.13 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: so it was a kernel regression? |
| 14:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: yup, mkfs.vfat |
| 14:05.28 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: i mean usb host didn't work because of the FR's kernel? |
| 14:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: |
| 14:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | halley:~ # ls -l /media/disk-1 |
| 14:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | total 1100 |
| 14:05.43 | DocScrutinizer | -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jun 4 08:03 .python-history |
| 14:05.45 | DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1048576 Jun 22 11:34 1mbfile |
| 14:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 29 17:38 bin |
| 14:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 29 17:38 boot |
| 14:05.49 | DocScrutinizer | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 1 2000 dev |
| 14:05.53 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: yes, mkfs.vfat |
| 14:06.38 | Kyrah | okay i mounted the vfat partition, i have to drop the kerl in it right? |
| 14:06.40 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: it's very strange because i used basically the latest kernel here. |
| 14:06.42 | lysgaard | PaulFertser: Nope, i use the newest kernel, but an older image of shr. I guess there was some problems with the usbhost button in the settings panel |
| 14:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: notice in above pasted lines, actually disk-2 is the fat16 partition, which is first partition on uSD |
| 14:07.15 | Kyrah | so i simply plop down the .bin file in it? |
| 14:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 14:07.34 | Kyrah | and for rootfs? |
| 14:07.46 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5288 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch gps.sch lcm.sch memory.sch pmu.sch): |
| 14:07.46 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Style cleanup. |
| 14:07.46 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - changed si-prefixes K, N, U to lower case |
| 14:07.46 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - removed H for "Henry" |
| 14:07.46 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - changed invisible "100M" of B2201 to "100MHz" |
| 14:07.47 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - made sheet label of LCM sheet bold |
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| 14:07.51 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: but i thought you were using sysfs directly, no? |
| 14:07.53 | Kyrah | i untar the latest archive in the other partition amiright? |
| 14:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | expand the tarball to ext2/3 partition |
| 14:08.12 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 14:08.39 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: back to your question, it's /dev/ttyUSB0 or smth |
| 14:08.45 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: you'll find that in dmesg. |
| 14:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: kernel.bin and rootfs have to match, otherwise you miss the right modules |
| 14:09.00 | lysgaard | PaulFertser: Nope, i used the usbhost button. I just checked with the sysfs to see if it worked, wich seemed like, but aperently didnt |
| 14:09.02 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: obviously you need to have usbserial.ko (and specific hardware driver) loaded. |
| 14:09.14 | lysgaard | PaulF |
| 14:09.26 | lysgaard | PaulFertser: Whats the usbserial modules name? |
| 14:10.06 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: the same you use on your PC host when you plug your board to it. |
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| 14:10.24 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: e.g. when i use an ft232r-based converter, it's ft232_sio or smth. |
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| 14:11.26 | Kyrah | how do you knwo kernel.bin and rootfs match, on shr-unstable it only says kernenel.bin latest |
| 14:11.42 | PaulFertser | Kyrah: you'll see it after you boot it ;) |
| 14:11.45 | lysgaard | PaulFertser: Thanks, i actually have an ft232 ;) |
| 14:11.47 | Kyrah | ugggh |
| 14:15.26 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: I also think that's a big flaw of shr-u buildprocess/dirs |
| 14:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: you find some matching kernels in people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr_unstable |
| 14:16.42 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: ftdi_sio |
| 14:17.01 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: and it's in moredrivers defconfig in modules, so if you've installed the modules tarball, it should be there. |
| 14:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: I started to mirror the shr-dl-dir when there were times it didn't have any kernel at all ;-P |
| 14:18.13 | lysgaard | PaulFertser: I have! Then you helping me with compiling a kernel was not wasted at all =) |
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| 14:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: I'd recommend to use 20090703 though. There's the matching uimage.bin at shr-server |
| 14:20.17 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: do you think it worth trying to find the element that emits high-pitched sound when screen is rotated? I'd need to take off the can again... |
| 14:20.41 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: to what goal? |
| 14:20.47 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: to make it silent |
| 14:21.01 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i don't want to use a device while it emits high-pitched sounds. |
| 14:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | if that's your plan, you're welcome |
| 14:21.11 | SpeedEvil | If it bothers you, sure. |
| 14:21.30 | SpeedEvil | Does disabling the speakers work? |
| 14:21.35 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: wouldn't it bother you? |
| 14:21.51 | SpeedEvil | It depends on the frequency. |
| 14:21.55 | lysgaard | Strange, i get FATAL: Module lib/modules/2.6.29_GTA02_andy_tracking_mokodev/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/ftdi_sio.ko not found. Even though the file exists |
| 14:21.57 | SpeedEvil | >30KHz, no |
| 14:22.09 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I'm an old man, you know ;-) |
| 14:22.09 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: hm, i haven't tried disabling the speakers, the sound looks more like some "loose" L. |
| 14:22.10 | SpeedEvil | And I don't have a FR - so meh. |
| 14:22.39 | DocScrutinizer | lysgaard: depmod -a? |
| 14:22.46 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: (>30kHz) LOL |
| 14:22.47 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: sure - I'm having problems seeing how it coud be - the LCM shouldn't AIUI have significant time-varying components of current |
| 14:23.13 | lysgaard | DocScrutinizer: What does it do? |
| 14:23.26 | lysgaard | worked now! =) |
| 14:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | lysgaard: man depmod |
| 14:24.11 | dos1 | SpeedEvil: i think young people can hear sound @~20kHz, and when they are older, it decrements :x |
| 14:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | lysgaard: iirc builds some cache |
| 14:25.12 | SpeedEvil | dos1: And listening to rap music/jackhammering/shooting guns/... also |
| 14:25.25 | dos1 | i prefer metal :D |
| 14:25.42 | m0nt0 | what about a little bit of ska? |
| 14:25.44 | m0nt0 | :D |
| 14:26.36 | dos1 | i think that sound is something about 15kHz |
| 14:26.39 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: still no fun, restoring gsmheadset doesn't affect it. |
| 14:26.45 | PaulFertser | dos1: yep, looks like that |
| 14:27.06 | dos1 | 2 years ago i could hear sounds up to 22kHz |
| 14:27.12 | SpeedEvil | The line freq would be what... |
| 14:27.31 | SpeedEvil | actually no |
| 14:27.32 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: 30years ago me too ;-P |
| 14:27.37 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: also it stops when the display is blanked. |
| 14:27.39 | SpeedEvil | the LCD is exactly the same mode |
| 14:27.49 | dos1 | and that sound isn't high as that ;) |
| 14:27.52 | SpeedEvil | The display does no rotation at all |
| 14:28.01 | SpeedEvil | It's the glamo that rotates. |
| 14:28.19 | dos1 | SpeedEvil: but it has some different modes |
| 14:28.20 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: well, do you have other theory that explains it? |
| 14:28.21 | dos1 | (look at stipes which are sometimes visible) |
| 14:28.28 | SpeedEvil | Yes - it can do pixel binning and stuff |
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| 14:28.40 | dos1 | maybe refresh rate? |
| 14:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: actually there's a landscape/portrait switch for jbt7k afaik |
| 14:28.42 | SpeedEvil | The LCD is very dumb though - it has no internal RAM |
| 14:28.45 | SpeedEvil | meh |
| 14:28.50 | Kyrah | i should have an sdcard ready soonish |
| 14:28.58 | SpeedEvil | Fair enough, I thought it wasn't. |
| 14:29.30 | SpeedEvil | In that case, the line pitch should alter by 640/480ths as it rotates |
| 14:30.14 | SpeedEvil | 38KHz to 28KHz |
| 14:30.48 | Kyrah | son once i have my sdcard ready what reamains to do? |
| 14:30.53 | dos1 | well, that sould wasn't there some time ago, and people started to complain at it when i noticed it first time, so it was introduced by some kernel change |
| 14:31.04 | SpeedEvil | Assuming the frame rate stays at 60fps |
| 14:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: boot it ;) |
| 14:31.25 | dos1 | SpeedEvil: i think it doesn't stay... we should check it |
| 14:31.30 | PaulFertser | dos1: i've just tried .24 |
| 14:31.31 | Kyrah | yeah but that means using the uboot menu right? |
| 14:31.33 | PaulFertser | dos1: no change |
| 14:31.35 | Kyrah | won't do it by itself |
| 14:31.46 | PaulFertser | dos1: and tried with some february version, same shit |
| 14:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: exactly |
| 14:32.02 | dos1 | PaulFertser: hmm... bootloader? |
| 14:32.12 | dos1 | dunno ;x |
| 14:32.16 | PaulFertser | dos1: maybe |
| 14:32.19 | dos1 | maybe uboot was setting something differently? |
| 14:32.42 | dos1 | i'm sure i doesn't have that sound at beginning |
| 14:32.50 | dos1 | i was using landscape mode quite often |
| 14:33.15 | dos1 | (in 2007.2 there was bug button at AUX menu for change between portrait and landscape :)) |
| 14:33.26 | dos1 | s/bug/big/ |
| 14:33.27 | dos1 | ^^ |
| 14:33.32 | DocScrutinizer | could be X choosing different line settings |
| 14:33.55 | dos1 | that would be odd - no Xglamo changes for long time... |
| 14:34.01 | Kyrah | ahem |
| 14:34.06 | PaulFertser | Ok, booting 2007.2 with nor u-boot |
| 14:34.15 | Kyrah | it seems this uboot demande the kernel partition to be in ext2 |
| 14:34.23 | PaulFertser | Failed |
| 14:34.29 | Kyrah | it makes an error saying it can't mount the partition |
| 14:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 14:34.42 | dos1 | Kyrah: ext3? |
| 14:34.46 | PaulFertser | Too big kernel image there |
| 14:34.48 | Kyrah | no, vfat |
| 14:35.02 | dos1 | Kyrah: so use fatload instead of ext2load |
| 14:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: nope, that's likely about rootfs |
| 14:35.19 | Kyrah | welll itsnot in the uboot menu i can't run it :p |
| 14:35.37 | Kyrah | anyway turning the boot parittion ot ext2 is a 5 minutes job so... |
| 14:35.39 | dos1 | Kyrah: connect to PC and change env... |
| 14:35.55 | Kyrah | doesn't bother me |
| 14:36.06 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: that's exactly the plan to avoid that |
| 14:36.13 | dos1 | oh |
| 14:36.15 | dos1 | :D |
| 14:36.37 | dos1 | what about Qi? |
| 14:36.54 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: more failure modes involved |
| 14:37.03 | DocScrutinizer | same for Qi |
| 14:37.16 | dos1 | ok |
| 14:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: we're talking about a teaser install here |
| 14:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: as your f*ckng gta01 inages are too big |
| 14:38.44 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 14:39.42 | dos1 | well, gta01 images are for using with SD card :D |
| 14:40.03 | dos1 | maybe someone will come and strip lite image down to fit into gta01 |
| 14:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | aaaah, yes. especially *.jffs2 ;-D |
| 14:40.14 | dos1 | but that's not me - i don't have gta01 to test ;) |
| 14:40.29 | dos1 | someone can send me of course, and i'll play with it :D |
| 14:42.51 | DocScrutinizer | k, bbl |
| 14:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: could you use a remote login to gta01? |
| 14:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I.E a remote account on x86-linux with a gta01 connected to the box |
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| 14:52.20 | Kyrah | waaa it' snot working |
| 14:52.26 | Kyrah | will try again later -_- |
| 14:52.42 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: for current measurements? no use i'm afraid |
| 14:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 15:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: maybe update your uBoot? |
| 15:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | Kyrah: also you might log in to uboot and enter correct boot command manually |
| 15:07.14 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i'm guilty of using 2.6.14 on my desktop and now buggy cdc_acm driver borked and i can't connect to u-boot console to alter the environment to boot a bigger kernel :-/ |
| 15:07.25 | DocScrutinizer | then if you put it to work, change env |
| 15:08.01 | PaulFertser | dos1: can you try booting with NOR u-boot to check if the sound is there? |
| 15:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: ouch |
| 15:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I'm guilty of wasting a whole nice afternoon with sunny weather by sitting on my IT-gadgets ;-) |
| 15:10.08 | PaulFertser | Not that nice here, strong wind and semi-cold weather |
| 15:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | not as hot as yesterday here, only 27C |
| 15:10.50 | PaulFertser | I'd prefer 27, i like when it's hot |
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| 15:23.24 | SpeedEvil | Only 23. |
| 15:23.30 | SpeedEvil | I've been reinstalling windows. |
| 15:23.33 | SpeedEvil | (with putty) |
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| 15:35.55 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: here 32C :/ |
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| 15:36.23 | dos1 | oh, now 29 |
| 15:36.39 | dos1 | ~2 hours ago here was 32C |
| 15:36.49 | dos1 | i don't like when it's hot :/ |
| 15:36.59 | dos1 | for me ~23 is perfect :P |
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| 15:47.24 | PaulFertser | wants to go south to Azov sea, to swim in the sea, to fool around doing nothing, to read books to listen to music in the evening... |
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| 17:23.41 | PBeck | grüÃt euch |
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| 18:10.39 | beer__ | I am trying to checkout this repo: http://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko/tree/master with this command "git checkout git://github.com/liedekef/qtmoko.git" but I get a "fatal: Not a git repository" error |
| 18:10.48 | beer__ | what do I d o wrong? |
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| 18:11.44 | PaulFertser | beer__: you need to "git clone" it |
| 18:12.35 | beer__ | something is happening :) |
| 18:13.31 | beer__ | what is the advantice of git insead of svn? |
| 18:14.59 | PaulFertser | beer__: this topic deserves a series of articles if not a book. I can tell you that even key svn developers see that svn is not suitable for most free software projects. |
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| 18:27.47 | PaulFertser | Guys, for those who asks for good pointers: http://xkcd.com/138/ |
| 18:29.30 | beer__ | about qt moko should the language files be in/qtmoko/i18n/en_US on the repo before? |
| 18:29.51 | beer__ | I have problem locating the english so I can translate it |
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| 19:04.04 | PaulFertser | beer__: translating software? What a weird idea... |
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| 19:11.46 | DocScrutinizer | beer__: I'd guess you will use qt-linguist for preparing translations. |
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| 19:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | beer__: you first need to create a virgin file for linguist, which basically contains all the english genuine strings from sourcecode. Then you can translate each string. qt's tr() will look up for correct translated string in this file then |
| 19:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | at least that's the standard way it's done in qt examples and e.g. twinklephone |
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| 19:24.35 | xelapond | hey everyone |
| 19:24.42 | xelapond | I flashed OM2009 to my freerunner |
| 19:25.08 | xelapond | and now when I start it it complains it can't start the SD_3V3 regulator |
| 19:25.14 | xelapond | how do I fix this? |
| 19:26.24 | PaulFertser | xelapond: you don't need to. |
| 19:26.34 | PaulFertser | xelapond: it's just a warning. |
| 19:26.39 | xelapond | ok |
| 19:26.42 | xelapond | but how do I get around it? |
| 19:26.50 | PaulFertser | xelapond: in the latest kernel it doesn't appear with the default (for Qi) loglevel. |
| 19:27.02 | xelapond | oh |
| 19:27.05 | PaulFertser | xelapond: you don't need to workaround it. It's a worning that has no effect! |
| 19:27.10 | DocScrutinizer | yea, simply reduce loglevel |
| 19:27.17 | xelapond | ohh, ok:) |
| 19:27.21 | PaulFertser | Or just ignore. |
| 19:27.25 | xelapond | so I can just let it be and it will continue booting? |
| 19:27.29 | PaulFertser | xelapond: sure |
| 19:27.32 | xelapond | ahh, ok:) |
| 19:27.33 | xelapond | thanks |
| 19:27.44 | xelapond | it sounded like a fatal error, thats why I was wondering:P |
| 19:28.40 | xelapond | its taking a long time on it though |
| 19:28.43 | xelapond | is that normal? |
| 19:31.26 | PaulFertser | xelapond: yep |
| 19:31.41 | PaulFertser | xelapond: not on it, you just don't see what's happening. |
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| 19:48.46 | azaghal | I've been curious about one thing - when the phone is charging and I happed to touch the antenna connector, I get a small electroshock :) |
| 19:49.21 | dos1 | azaghal: GPS antenna? |
| 19:49.36 | azaghal | Yep |
| 19:49.53 | azaghal | At least I think it's a GPS antenna (the little golden thingy on the side) |
| 19:50.09 | dos1 | yep, that's GPS antenna |
| 19:50.35 | SpeedEvil | azaghal: touch the (unplugged) USB, and you will probably fee l the same. |
| 19:50.40 | SpeedEvil | You're using a laptop? |
| 19:50.48 | azaghal | Nah, desktop right now. |
| 19:50.59 | azaghal | Ah... |
| 19:51.03 | SpeedEvil | Then it's possibly not grounded. |
| 19:51.07 | azaghal | It'll happen when GPS is on, of course :P |
| 19:51.11 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 19:51.25 | azaghal | No? Oh, well. |
| 19:51.25 | SpeedEvil | there should be no voltages detectable by a human. |
| 19:51.54 | SpeedEvil | Well - unless maybe you stick your tongue in the socket, you may feel a unusually metallic taste |
| 19:52.15 | azaghal | rofl |
| 19:52.37 | PaulFertser | azaghal: i guess you're in contact with both some grounded part and with case of your desktop. |
| 19:52.38 | SpeedEvil | but what you are feeling is due to - for esome reason - being at a different voltage to the phone |
| 19:52.53 | azaghal | Probably just that. |
| 19:53.14 | PaulFertser | azaghal: the advice makes sense, sit the same way as when you touch gps connector and touch the case of your pc (unshielded). |
| 19:53.17 | SpeedEvil | This can be due to being on a grounded surface, and using it on a laptop, which may 'float' at 1/2 the mains voltage, rather than being properly grounded |
| 19:53.41 | SpeedEvil | Or the USB connector that you'd plug into the FR |
| 19:53.48 | PaulFertser | Yes |
| 19:53.58 | azaghal | Ok, thanks |
| 19:54.00 | PaulFertser | Or even the surface of your CRT monitor. |
| 19:54.25 | SpeedEvil | Or many other reasons, varying from harmless, to potentially lethal wiring faults in your mains electricity or computer. |
| 19:54.55 | PaulFertser | azaghal: is your desktop grounded? |
| 19:55.46 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: btw, i think all soviet living buildings lack ground in wall sockets :( |
| 19:55.55 | SpeedEvil | 'Azaghal has quit. (Electrocuted)' |
| 19:56.01 | azaghal | Between you and me, one of these days I have to sort out the whole thing ;) |
| 19:56.14 | Wonka | .oO( my desktop computer is forbidden to leave the room on its own ) |
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| 20:01.07 | azaghal | Heheh |
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| 20:01.28 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: workers who did wiring in one of the labs of our univesity were so stupid they forgot to connect neutral wire to actual neutral on the switchboard for half of the sockets. Everything worked just because some equipment on different sockets was interconnected (and sockets have neutral and ground connected to the same wire). |
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| 20:03.22 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: moreover some sockets in our lab are using phase A, others use B and C. |
| 20:04.13 | SpeedEvil | ow. |
| 20:04.37 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: after we disconnected a printer from one of the computers, we got ~180VAC in some sockets and ~240VAC in other. (Phase C was unaffected) |
| 20:04.38 | SpeedEvil | so wildly varying voltages? |
| 20:06.50 | PaulFertser | Just after the printer was disconnected the difference was even more, some LCD's started to emit smoke even. Lab workers turned off all the equipment and called electricians. But they came, measured the voltages, said it's ~ok and left. Lab workers tried to turn on the equipment again and as it worked so they gave up on investigating. |
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| 20:07.33 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 20:07.58 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: then i came and luckily i had my DMM with me (it's even better than the one our electricians have). I started to measure the voltages and investigating. I insisted we call electricians again and started to convince them that something (different voltage) is utterly wrong. |
| 20:08.53 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: after a good look on the switchboard the issue became clear. The were two "rulers" for connecting the neutral wire. On is connected to actual neutral and the other was floating. |
| 20:11.27 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: what is the proper name for the straight thing you can connect many wires to? |
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| 22:56.26 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5289 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0025.txt): Added ECN0025: Connect CLKOUT1 to UEXTCLK (U1501) |
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| 23:28.46 | _ABC | Greetings! Openmoko seems like a great toy to play around with. However, it looks like you have to have a mouse + keyboard for using distros like gentoo. Is this true? |
| 23:29.17 | Windsurfer619 | Don't think so. SSH + onscreen keyboard |
| 23:29.39 | _ABC | hmm |
| 23:30.20 | _ABC | So the touchscreen has mouse support also? |
| 23:31.03 | _ABC | Because one would think an OS for PCs dont quite use touchscreens as on mobile devices. |
| 23:31.10 | Windsurfer619 | Well you have a USB port |
| 23:31.13 | SpeedEvil | all touchscreens act like mice under X |
| 23:31.25 | SpeedEvil | but don't really support everything but clicks and drags |
| 23:31.58 | _ABC | i see |
| 23:32.26 | _ABC | How about multitouch features for zooming and shrinking the screen? |
| 23:33.13 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 23:33.26 | SpeedEvil | they are not possible due to hardware |
| 23:34.00 | _ABC | ahh, so the LCD screen only provides single touch sensing.. |
| 23:34.08 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 23:34.36 | Windsurfer619 | Well, not really. It's a capacitive touchscreen. Some other component is unable to resolve the multiple touch points. |
| 23:34.36 | _ABC | gee, that would be a small screen then to view shell and such |
| 23:34.45 | SpeedEvil | At the moment, if you expect the FR to be just a small linux box with a touchscreen, little RAM and storage, you may be pleasantly surprised when you discover it can work as a phone :) |
| 23:34.50 | SpeedEvil | (somewhat) |
| 23:34.56 | SpeedEvil | it's a resistive touchscreen |
| 23:34.59 | SpeedEvil | not capacitive |
| 23:35.05 | Windsurfer619 | Oh! My mistake. Sorry. |
| 23:35.23 | SpeedEvil | Well - Actually - the display is very good - I have had 80*25 xterm on it - not fullscreen even. |
| 23:35.43 | SpeedEvil | But it does pretty much absolutely require in that case you to have the screen very close to your eyes. |
| 23:35.51 | SpeedEvil | (and not be longsighted) |
| 23:36.06 | _ABC | is thinking of hooking up a VGA screen to it..if possible |
| 23:36.25 | SpeedEvil | It's got a VGA screen |
| 23:36.33 | _ABC | :P ill just unhook then screen from my laptop |
| 23:36.41 | SpeedEvil | And you can't really do that easily |
| 23:37.01 | _ABC | HW pinouts? |
| 23:37.16 | mjr | Yeah, not really. Mostly you can replicate the display via vnc or similar, or run remote X apps |
| 23:37.19 | SpeedEvil | All LCD panels in the past decade or more are LVDS |
| 23:37.32 | mjr | ('course, if you go to insane lengths anything is possible) |
| 23:37.48 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you could hook a PSP display to it, for example, or a really old VGA notebook screen |
| 23:38.08 | SpeedEvil | but that would involve making it not work as a phone anymore. |
| 23:38.23 | _ABC | ahh right.. |
| 23:38.27 | _ABC | well |
| 23:38.31 | SpeedEvil | And if you were about to mention VGA-USB adaptors, you can't do that either. |
| 23:38.44 | SpeedEvil | As they all want USB2 |
| 23:38.52 | _ABC | huh? |
| 23:39.49 | SpeedEvil | http://www.startech.com/Product/ItemList.aspx?itematr=KEYPHRASE:USB VGA&gclid=CNmwzcWcvZsCFZgU4wodvBLUCQ |
| 23:40.11 | _ABC | checkin |
| 23:41.50 | _ABC | "the adapter connects to a host computer through a USB 2.0 port to create a VGA connection" |
| 23:42.04 | _ABC | oh i see what you're saying |
| 23:43.40 | _ABC | cant be...OM only uses usb1?! |
| 23:45.14 | _ABC | mm 1.1 |
| 23:46.14 | _ABC | well thanks guys! |
| 23:48.17 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, at teh time the chipset design was locked in, USB2 SoCs were considerably worse in some aspects |
| 23:49.48 | _ABC | i see |
| 23:51.19 | _ABC | by the way SpeedEvil i am just looking for a dev/eval board or devices to play around with. would you happen to know some? |
| 23:51.27 | SpeedEvil | Many. |
| 23:51.41 | SpeedEvil | bifferos.com beagleboard.org tincantools.com |
| 23:52.06 | _ABC | SpeedEvil: thanks! |
| 23:52.14 | SpeedEvil | also the ngw100 |
| 23:52.27 | SpeedEvil | http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools_card.asp?tool_id=4102 |
| 23:52.40 | ndnihil | ngw100 rocks |
| 23:52.40 | SpeedEvil | also gumstix of course - but tehy are fairly expensive |
| 23:52.53 | ndnihil | have 4 of them sitting here |
| 23:53.10 | _ABC | k' |
| 23:53.23 | ndnihil | only downside to the ngw100, is that it's USB slave only |
| 23:53.25 | ndnihil | no host mode |
| 23:53.56 | _ABC | with features like multitouch screen would be awesome |
| 23:54.11 | SpeedEvil | multitouch screen is hard. |
| 23:54.15 | ndnihil | if you want avr32 with screen, check out the stk1000 |
| 23:54.44 | _ABC | alright |
| 23:55.08 | _ABC | but i have to say, avr32s and atmels arm chips are costly for production |
| 23:55.11 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MINI2440-S3C2440-ARM9-Development-Board-3-5-TFT-LCD_W0QQitemZ390053437307QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad0ff1f7b&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177&_trkparms=240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 |
| 23:55.13 | SpeedEvil | too |
| 23:55.16 | SpeedEvil | howw are they |
| 23:55.17 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 23:55.32 | ndnihil | just soldering the bgp is costly |
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| 23:55.37 | SpeedEvil | no it's not |
| 23:55.50 | SpeedEvil | Setting up for producing one is the expensive part |
| 23:56.05 | SpeedEvil | and the costs don't really start to drop till you've made 50 |
| 23:56.10 | ndnihil | and you need more layers on the boart |
| 23:56.12 | ndnihil | er |
| 23:56.13 | ndnihil | board |
| 23:56.16 | SpeedEvil | Especially if you don't get the first one right |
| 23:56.23 | _ABC | true, but still..philips are much cheaper |
| 23:56.29 | SpeedEvil | Sure. But 6 layer boards aren't _that_ expensive |
| 23:56.41 | SpeedEvil | _ABC: AVR32 are $10 or so |
| 23:56.42 | ndnihil | the great part about avr(32) is the open source approach |
| 23:57.10 | ndnihil | atmel is quite active in providing free and open tools to work with their MCUs |
| 23:57.12 | _ABC | SpeedEvil: LPCs are $7.00 or lower |
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| 23:57.50 | _ABC | yea i agree with ndnihil..they have nice app notes too |
| 23:58.29 | ndnihil | and their dev boards are quite well made |
| 23:58.38 | SpeedEvil | $16@25 |
| 23:58.40 | ndnihil | my stk500 has taken some major abuse |
| 23:59.01 | SpeedEvil | LPC - 32 bit ones with external memory interface, and ..... |
| 23:59.20 | SpeedEvil | part number |