| 00:05.56 | xelapond | ah, cool |
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| 00:06.04 | xelapond | so why doesn't OM2008.8 include a terminal? |
| 00:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, no idea. never used 2008.8 |
| 00:08.02 | xelapond | oh, which do you use? |
| 00:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | SHR |
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| 00:10.12 | xelapond | ahh, so many things to try! |
| 00:10.14 | xelapond | lol |
| 00:10.45 | xelapond | huh, well, now I pick between SHR and OM2009.5 for now |
| 00:10.50 | tim_abell | that's how i've been finding it. |
| 00:11.06 | tim_abell | every time i think i've sussed it i find another option |
| 00:11.46 | tim_abell | i've been through om2008, qtopia, fdom, om2009, shr testing, and now shr unstable |
| 00:12.35 | xelapond | which one do you like most? |
| 00:13.00 | tim_abell | um, not sure really |
| 00:13.16 | tim_abell | om2008 and fdom are both dated |
| 00:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | Latest shr-u is exactly that: unstable. The 20090617(/8/9?) is much better |
| 00:13.27 | xelapond | yeah, i've noticed that about om2008.8 |
| 00:13.50 | tim_abell | qtopia is nice and finished, but is just a phone, and i had buzz and echo issues |
| 00:15.00 | tim_abell | om2009 is nice (uses paroli http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli ) |
| 00:15.12 | tim_abell | but seems to have a smaller community than shr |
| 00:15.17 | tim_abell | though i could be wrong |
| 00:15.42 | xelapond | however applications are distro-independant, right? |
| 00:15.49 | tim_abell | om2009 and shr are both based on free smart phone (fso) as far as i can tell |
| 00:16.00 | tim_abell | not especially i don't think |
| 00:16.12 | tim_abell | depending on whether someone has packaged them up |
| 00:16.27 | tim_abell | though some depend on different frameworks |
| 00:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | SHR and om2009-paroli both should use FSO framework and rather identical kernel. So apps should be portable usually |
| 00:19.23 | tim_abell | oh sorry, misread, thought you said dependent |
| 00:29.35 | xelapond | DocScrutinizer: I have three bars of battery, does that mean its fully charged? |
| 00:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, yes |
| 00:30.21 | xelapond | cool! |
| 00:30.32 | xelapond | now, the decision between SHR or OM2009.5 |
| 00:30.35 | xelapond | coin flip! |
| 00:31.10 | xelapond | looks like i'll be installing SHR |
| 00:33.21 | xelapond | DocScrutinizer: should I install Qi? |
| 00:33.54 | tim_abell | i prefer it as you don't have to hold the power button for so long to turn it on |
| 00:34.09 | xelapond | but u-boot works fine? |
| 00:34.44 | tim_abell | i followed the advice on the wiki and update to qi before installing shr |
| 00:34.44 | tim_abell | so pass |
| 00:34.44 | xelapond | ok |
| 00:35.21 | DocScrutinizer | xelapond: wait for another 2 weeks, don't update too much at once |
| 00:35.31 | xelapond | DocScrutinizer: why? |
| 00:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | if you run into trouble, it'll be hard to tell why |
| 00:36.13 | xelapond | oh |
| 00:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | uboot works fine |
| 00:36.26 | xelapond | ok, cool |
| 00:37.55 | xelapond | DocScrutinizer, tim_abell: Do I was uImage-2.6.28-stable, or uImage-om-gta02-latest? |
| 00:38.16 | xelapond | the formet has a huge git revision string after it, then om-gta02 |
| 00:38.17 | tim_abell | uh, pass, i used latest |
| 00:38.30 | xelapond | or should I just go with unstable? |
| 00:38.39 | tim_abell | latest is probably just a symlink to the other one |
| 00:38.53 | xelapond | oh, true:P |
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| 00:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090617-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 00:40.19 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-07-03 02:13:25] <DocScrutinizer> Latest shr-u is exactly that: unstable. The 20090617(/8/9?) is much better |
| 00:41.09 | tim_abell | too late for me! |
| 00:41.59 | DocScrutinizer | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 00:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | though I'd recommend to use kernel image of same date, alas there doesn't seem to be any :-( |
| 00:44.38 | xelapond | ok, I'm going to try testing for now |
| 00:44.48 | xelapond | then play around with unstable tomorrow, maybe |
| 00:45.08 | tim_abell | testing does seem rather out of date |
| 00:45.26 | tim_abell | i couldn't hang up a call on it, which is quite an old bug i think |
| 00:45.28 | xelapond | may 3rd? |
| 00:45.36 | xelapond | oh, hm |
| 00:45.46 | xelapond | eh, i'll got for unstable |
| 00:46.04 | xelapond | tim_abell: when was that? |
| 00:46.19 | xelapond | they migrated unstable to testing mid-april |
| 00:46.54 | tim_abell | pass |
| 00:47.05 | tim_abell | i only installed testing this week |
| 00:47.10 | xelapond | oh, ok |
| 00:47.11 | tim_abell | and upgraded this evening |
| 00:47.17 | xelapond | ok, i'll go with unstable then |
| 00:47.23 | tim_abell | omnewrotate kicks ass |
| 00:47.27 | tim_abell | :) |
| 00:47.30 | tim_abell | just installed it |
| 00:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr-unstable/ |
| 00:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | wait till upload finishes ;-) |
| 00:50.35 | tim_abell | is there anything in particular that's been broken since that release DocScrutinizer? |
| 00:50.38 | DocScrutinizer | though you only might need the uimage, or maybe it's even same uimage for all versions |
| 00:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | current unstable borks dbus all the time, and can't suspend after a call, also misses calls |
| 00:51.48 | tim_abell | nuts |
| 00:52.01 | DocScrutinizer | t-20090417 (iirc) worked rather nice for me |
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| 01:11.42 | xelapond | my god flashing rootfs takes a long time! |
| 01:11.50 | xelapond | am I doing something wrong? |
| 01:12.08 | DocScrutinizer | roundabout 25min iirc |
| 01:12.18 | xelapond | ok, I don't know how long mine has been running |
| 01:12.22 | xelapond | i'll time it next time |
| 01:12.36 | xelapond | oh, its done! |
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| 01:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | lol, I also say this every time, after the first few percent and realizing I didn't check the watch when starting it |
| 01:13.49 | xelapond | hehe |
| 01:13.53 | xelapond | its booting! |
| 01:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | I think I started counting # each time then, must be 50 |
| 01:15.19 | DocScrutinizer | first boot also takes ages, but shouldn't hang without any console output for >3min |
| 01:15.56 | xelapond | ok |
| 01:16.05 | xelapond | its steadily scrolling things across |
| 01:16.17 | tim_abell | the "time" command is handy for that |
| 01:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | be aware your usb-network now is known as ethX instead of usb0 on PC |
| 01:16.27 | tim_abell | eg |
| 01:16.27 | tim_abell | time ls |
| 01:16.33 | xelapond | tim_abell: yes, byt I never remember to use it:P |
| 01:16.47 | tim_abell | ;) |
| 01:16.56 | tim_abell | i've got quite good at remembering |
| 01:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | xelapond: same here |
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| 01:34.02 | xelapond | so what do I do when DBus is borked? |
| 01:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | reboot |
| 01:39.00 | xelapond | oh, ok |
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| 01:44.56 | KenYoung | Does anyone know of a command which can be issued from the shell which will force the phone to suspend when it is running OM2009 ? |
| 01:52.17 | tim_abell | probably a dbus call, but i'm no expert |
| 01:52.22 | tim_abell | mdbus something or other |
| 01:52.44 | KenYoung | tim_abell, Yeah, I may have to break down and read the code. |
| 01:53.13 | KenYoung | IMO suspend is completely screwed up in the testing5 version of OM2009. |
| 02:06.39 | tim_abell | http://pastebin.com/f20580f6c my navit won't start at all now. can anyone help? |
| 02:06.53 | tim_abell | Iall quiet on openmoko-cdevel) |
| 02:07.15 | tim_abell | this is under shr-unstable |
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| 02:27.33 | tim_abell | for the first time ever i have a proper mail client on my phone |
| 02:27.36 | tim_abell | hurrah |
| 02:27.44 | tim_abell | claws is rather nice |
| 02:27.54 | KenYoung | Good work! |
| 02:28.01 | tim_abell | thank you, whoever built it for shr |
| 02:29.06 | tim_abell | just wifi and navit to go and then i think i'm happy for the night |
| 02:29.32 | tim_abell | oh, and contact import |
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| 11:28.41 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5282 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 11:28.41 | CIA-44 | openmoko: more ERC prompted fixes |
| 11:28.41 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - PWR_FLAGs |
| 11:28.41 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - Missing GLabels |
| 11:28.41 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - Inconisistently named GLabels |
| 11:28.42 | CIA-44 | openmoko: Relocate BT_PIO5 and board revision detection |
| 11:29.38 | Kegeruneku | is away: le jambon de bayonne c'est la sante |
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| 11:30.48 | SpeedEvil | I have jam on the bayonette I did santa with? |
| 11:31.02 | SpeedEvil | needs to brush up on his french. |
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| 11:45.31 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5283 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (gps.sch memory.sch usb.sch): |
| 11:45.31 | CIA-44 | openmoko: add missing GLabels |
| 11:45.31 | CIA-44 | openmoko: connect missed ground on USB |
| 11:45.31 | CIA-44 | openmoko: rename EXTINT0 to GPS_EXTINT |
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| 12:43.47 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r66c992afd6c5 10/ (33 files in 7 dirs): fix async annotation |
| 12:46.13 | CIA-44 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r130fb4c50f81 10/framework/resource.py: resource: enable, if ousaged is not present |
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| 13:06.10 | pieterc | is there a way not to restart the freerunner when wanting ssh access? |
| 13:06.11 | pieterc | (shr) |
| 13:06.22 | pieterc | (through usb) |
| 13:09.59 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 13:10.06 | SpeedEvil | why can't you just ssh in |
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| 13:13.52 | pieterc | you should restart the freerunner first before you can ssh in through usb ... |
| 13:13.58 | pieterc | brb, reboot |
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| 13:20.07 | pieterc | b |
| 13:23.33 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03werner * r5284 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (erc-exceptions.patch series streamline-erc.patch): Upgraded to r1857 and added ERC exceptions. |
| 13:24.23 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03werner * r5285 10/trunk/gta02-core/gta02-core.erx: ERC exception list. (Needs KiCad r1857 plus our patch set.) |
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| 16:01.06 | Mortak | hi |
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| 16:10.23 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03werner * r5286 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/erc-exceptions.patch: Tentative fix for unicode problem. |
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| 17:11.45 | Bert_2 | Hi, what is the ubifs.img stuff shr has started to supply next to the normal jffs2 and tar.gz packages ? |
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| 17:14.52 | azaghal | Before I do it, if I connect Neo to USB supply, take out the battery, put in a new one, will it still be powered? (I want to see if it's possible to switch batteries on the fly) |
| 17:15.02 | azaghal | That is, has anyone tried something like that so far? :) |
| 17:21.17 | Bert_2 | azaghal: FAFAIK my Neo keeps on running with no battery if it's hooked up to the USB |
| 17:21.22 | Bert_2 | but I'm not sure |
| 17:22.12 | azaghal | Nice |
| 17:23.00 | azaghal | Bert_2: Thanks |
| 17:23.15 | azaghal | Actually, got this battery some months ago, hope it's not damaged (haven't tried it yet). |
| 17:23.39 | azaghal | As a quick check, does deep sleep of GSM chip work now? |
| 17:24.04 | Bert_2 | I have no idea |
| 17:24.10 | Bert_2 | I usually just try |
| 17:24.31 | Bert_2 | usually you can't damage anything if you pull power or something |
| 17:25.03 | lindi- | azaghal: with the hardware fix for #1024 it works |
| 17:25.39 | azaghal | lindi-: That's the soldering two pins fix? |
| 17:25.45 | Bert_2 | lindi-: I don't know anything about fixes |
| 17:27.14 | lindi- | azaghal: i have not done it myself yet |
| 17:28.04 | Bert_2 | lindi-: what kind of fixes are we talking about and why are they required ? (I know something about a microphone fix but that's it) |
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| 17:29.39 | azaghal | Wow! |
| 17:29.45 | azaghal | 143 hours? |
| 17:30.33 | Bert_2 | azaghal: what ??? |
| 17:31.09 | azaghal | Bert_2: Take a look at the ticket #1024 (follow the link to the mailing list on it at bottom) |
| 17:32.31 | azaghal | Although, it wasn't really 143 hours, a bit less (he turned off the phone during one night). |
| 17:32.47 | azaghal | But still, anything above 4 days would rock the house :) |
| 17:32.50 | Bert_2 | azaghal: this page: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2742334 ? |
| 17:33.33 | azaghal | Yep |
| 17:33.53 | azaghal | Wait, no |
| 17:33.53 | azaghal | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-May/001192.html |
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| 17:37.31 | Bert_2 | azaghal: that is indeed an interesting post |
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| 18:58.37 | walkie | hello, where is the place to ask fso questions? |
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| 19:12.28 | PaulFertser | walkie: here |
| 19:12.54 | PaulFertser | walkie: and if they're really development-related, on #openmoko-cdevel. |
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| 19:14.23 | walkie | for some reason i want wifi under fso. it is not in standard distriburion, is there any step-by step solution to enable it (i suspect it must be enabled by dbus) |
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| 19:18.32 | walkie | if ifconfig eth0 up will up wifi interface, the other i can do by myself, but there should be the way to put power on wifi device |
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| 19:20.19 | PaulFertser | walkie: wifi is included in FSO |
| 19:20.31 | PaulFertser | walkie: but it's turned off by default. |
| 19:20.48 | PaulFertser | walkie: btw, FSO is not a proper distro, it's just a demo image for developers. |
| 19:21.16 | PaulFertser | walkie: to turn wifi on you need to either request (and keep) resource WiFi or set WiFi resource policy to "enabled". |
| 19:21.36 | walkie | i know about demo image, but it is only distribution what can run for weeks on mine neo |
| 19:21.53 | PaulFertser | walkie: np, whatever you like. Just set policy to enabled. |
| 19:22.18 | walkie | tell me please where to set this policy |
| 19:25.29 | PaulFertser | walkie: you do "mdbus -s", then "mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced" then you'll see possible dbus pathes, then you'll see functions. You need to find out how to set WiFi resource policy to "enabled". Trust me, it's easy. |
| 19:25.50 | walkie | good method |
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| 19:27.36 | walkie | well i see /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi |
| 19:27.43 | walkie | next step? |
| 19:27.57 | PaulFertser | walkie: well, i misguided you sorry ;) |
| 19:28.06 | PaulFertser | walkie: it's ousaged bus |
| 19:28.53 | PaulFertser | walkie: resource name "WiFi", policy "enabled" |
| 19:29.26 | azaghal | Is Mofi just hanging indefinitely in shr for the rest of people? (20090617) |
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| 19:30.13 | walkie | well i list it with -s, but what to do with for example /org/freesmartphone/Usage |
| 19:30.31 | PaulFertser | walkie: just add to the end of the command line |
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| 19:32.11 | tschaka | walkie mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi org.freesmartphone.Resource.Enable enables Wifi |
| 19:32.29 | tschaka | replace Enable with Disable to turn it off again. |
| 19:32.44 | walkie | thanks |
| 19:33.04 | walkie | but a little more tries should be done |
| 19:33.05 | PaulFertser | tschaka: that's not correct method, you're bypassing higher (resource) layer, i'm afraid. |
| 19:33.25 | PaulFertser | walkie: i think ousaged should be used. |
| 19:33.31 | walkie | with my tries i getting service not found |
| 19:33.32 | PaulFertser | walkie: do you need exact command line? |
| 19:34.15 | tschaka | PaulFertser it seems to work for me. just found it in some forums... :) |
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| 19:34.38 | PaulFertser | tschaka: wrong solutions sometimes work. Until you found they have unexpected side-effects. |
| 19:35.07 | tschaka | PaulFertser true... what would be the way to go? ousaged? |
| 19:35.12 | PaulFertser | tschaka: ousaged is there for a reason, yes. |
| 19:35.31 | tschaka | okay thanks i'll digg into it :) |
| 19:35.47 | PaulFertser | tschaka: with ousaged you get resource tracking, if two processes require resource and then one releases it, it won't be turned off. |
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| 19:36.18 | walkie | well, it is working, thanks PaulFertser for the basics of mdbus usage |
| 19:36.24 | azaghal | Hm... What tutorial for d-bus in Python would you people recommend? |
| 19:36.48 | PaulFertser | walkie: working with ousaged? |
| 19:37.13 | walkie | tschaka, and you for exact command line |
| 19:37.27 | PaulFertser | azaghal: i guess just read the examples. Zhone for client-side. And you can read parts of frameworkd for server-side. |
| 19:37.31 | ndnihil | azaghal: razorblades to the eyeballs for starters :) |
| 19:37.35 | walkie | ousages lists only |
| 19:37.42 | tschaka | walkie but you might want to read what PaulFertser said about this. rather try with some ousaged solution if available |
| 19:37.47 | PaulFertser | walkie: fyi the correct command line is mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled |
| 19:37.54 | azaghal | PaulFertser: Actually, I was more interested into generic d-bus tutorial for starters :) |
| 19:37.55 | ndnihil | reading gps via dbus in python wasn't too horrible |
| 19:38.04 | walkie | / /org org/freesmartphone /org/freesmartphone/Usage |
| 19:38.26 | walkie | this is ousaged output |
| 19:39.23 | walkie | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged |
| 19:39.29 | PaulFertser | walkie: i've provided you the full command line |
| 19:40.24 | PaulFertser | tschaka: found on forums? Oh shit. |
| 19:40.29 | PaulFertser | tschaka: no wonder it's wrong. |
| 19:41.34 | walkie | well with odeviced it working |
| 19:42.02 | PaulFertser | walkie: fuck i provided the full command line that is working too, i've just checked it. |
| 19:42.22 | PaulFertser | walkie: and i explained why it is better, what more do you need? |
| 19:42.25 | tschaka | PaulFertser i'm not into all those things that much, so basically solution finding is googling and taking the first i can find which works. basically i'm using wifi with only one app at once, so i didnt see the side effects yet. however, for requestion CPU and Display to prevent dimming/suspend, i was using ousaged already (forums as well :P) |
| 19:43.01 | walkie | oh, i am really happy with result |
| 19:43.23 | tschaka | walkie but there are downsides with the solution i provided. |
| 19:43.40 | tschaka | walkie i suggest you to stick with PaulFertser's solution, even b/c it is easy to change. |
| 19:44.00 | PaulFertser | tschaka: usually only illiterate people write to forums because web-forums suck comparing to regular mailing lists. So i'd take any solution found on forums with a grain of salt. A good example is ubuntu-forums. Most of the time absolutely useless senseless solutions. |
| 19:45.04 | walkie | may be i am messing something, but i see nothing with wifi in ousaged |
| 19:45.20 | PaulFertser | walkie: Onec again: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled |
| 19:45.27 | tschaka | PaulFertser i found quite a few solutions on ubuntu forums yet. basically i am googling, and if the mailing list archives can't provide me with something, what a forum can do, why would i ignore it? |
| 19:45.39 | tschaka | PaulFertser maybe he's using some older FSO, where this isnt implemented yet? |
| 19:46.02 | PaulFertser | tschaka: i'm not sure he's actually tried the full command line. |
| 19:46.28 | walkie | oh, finally see the PaulFertser's exact command line |
| 19:46.45 | tschaka | walkie :) |
| 19:46.57 | PaulFertser | tschaka: as to forums, i've already tried to explain: usually forums are used by weirdly minded people (because forums are inferior comparing to MLs and they still choose forums) and therefore their advices quite often don't make sense. |
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| 19:47.24 | PaulFertser | walkie: you know the trick needed to get wifi working with some APs? |
| 19:47.44 | walkie | miss it when was switching desktops :) |
| 19:48.01 | walkie | what trick? |
| 19:48.30 | PaulFertser | walkie: wmiconfig -i eth0 --maxperf |
| 19:48.51 | tschaka | PaulFertser yeah, but in that particular case i was using the FYP forums(since i happen to be able to read german), which are crowded by users who also use the ML. i guess that at least in the freerunner case, that are less weirdly minded ppl anyway :) |
| 19:48.59 | PaulFertser | walkie: eats power like mad but improves stability. With some APs you can't even properly communicate at all without it. |
| 19:49.15 | walkie | with weak signal? |
| 19:49.18 | tschaka | PaulFertser whatever. what wmiconfig command, is this persistent? |
| 19:49.24 | tschaka | that* |
| 19:49.38 | PaulFertser | tschaka: :-/ Fyp people are strange, they do some weird fork of Debian instead of working with upstream... Or so i heard. |
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| 19:50.09 | PaulFertser | tschaka: persistent only until you cut the power to wifi. That is either if you disable it or suspend FR (wifi is unpowered during suspend). |
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| 19:51.04 | PaulFertser | tschaka: no relation to the weak signal. Just FR's wifi chip is buggy and it refuses to work with some APs at all. For some this trick helps, for others no known workaround exists. Most APs work without tricks though. |
| 19:51.07 | ndnihil | azaghal: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td786643 |
| 19:51.11 | walkie | well thanks all for help |
| 19:51.17 | balanceofcowards | hi everyone |
| 19:51.20 | ndnihil | that was my introduction to dbus+python |
| 19:51.33 | azaghal | Heheh |
| 19:51.49 | balanceofcowards | got a prob with om2009/r5 - there is no sound during phone calls |
| 19:51.56 | tschaka | PaulFertser yeah, thats true, but there are forums sections about shr as well. to satisfy you however, i'm owning the FR since approx. one week, but been reading the ML regularly since december or something :) |
| 19:51.59 | balanceofcowards | anyone else having this problem? |
| 19:52.00 | azaghal | Thanks for the linkie |
| 19:52.04 | ndnihil | np |
| 19:52.07 | PaulFertser | tschaka: cool :D |
| 19:52.24 | PaulFertser | tschaka: do the SHR developers use that SHR forum? I doubt it. |
| 19:52.55 | PaulFertser | balanceofcowards: have you tried to search frameworkd log for oddities? Have you tried loading the scenario manually? |
| 19:53.10 | tschaka | PaulFertser dunno. But mickey lauer is there. and as far as i see, he's a pretty clever guy :P |
| 19:53.26 | PaulFertser | tschaka: he has to put with demands of his users. Probably. |
| 19:53.35 | tschaka | :) |
| 19:53.39 | PaulFertser | tschaka: and who says he's not weird? ;) |
| 19:54.14 | tschaka | PaulFertser hhe. weirdness is relative, and i guess in the view of like 95 % of the world population every openmoko user is weird :P |
| 19:54.31 | tschaka | which doesnt mean we are weird. |
| 19:54.46 | tschaka | maybe a bit. |
| 19:54.52 | SpeedEvil | is wierd and proud. |
| 19:55.06 | SpeedEvil | passes 'I'm wierd' badges round the channel. |
| 19:55.13 | tschaka | :) |
| 19:55.55 | azaghal | How many people have had courage to apply that hardware patch for #1024? |
| 19:56.27 | balanceofcowards | PaulFertser: Nothing immediately suspicious in the logs - how do I activate the alsa state by hand? |
| 19:56.28 | tschaka | PaulFertser since you are here and seem to know an answer for everything, is there a way to turn off the built in keyboard for certain apps, maybe through starting them with a certian command or something? |
| 19:56.32 | PaulFertser | Oh, SpeedEvil is here. And my "english" sucks today badly. Also i'm too rude to end-users. /me switches to some other application to not disturb #openmoko inhabitants. |
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| 19:57.53 | PaulFertser | balanceofcowards: alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state restore |
| 19:57.57 | PaulFertser | balanceofcowards: or smth like this. |
| 19:58.48 | PaulFertser | tschaka: i'm afraid not, it pops up every time there's a X object visible with a certain X hint, iirc |
| 19:59.30 | PaulFertser | tschaka: i use a cool little app that allows toggling the keyboard from command line, i binded it to the AUX key. |
| 19:59.32 | balanceofcowards | PaulFertser: Hm, that worked indeed... any idea how I can trace down what is causing the state not to be loaded? |
| 19:59.42 | tschaka | PaulFertser ok, i read somewhere (ML!) that it is possible according to some fso dev iirc, but he didnt provide a solution. i'll investigate on this :) |
| 19:59.44 | PaulFertser | balanceofcowards: reading logs... |
| 19:59.54 | tschaka | PaulFertser cool. would you provide me this script? :P |
| 19:59.56 | PaulFertser | tschaka: are you talking about E's keyboard? |
| 20:00.01 | tschaka | PaulFertser ya |
| 20:00.15 | tschaka | PaulFertser illumes* |
| 20:00.21 | PaulFertser | tschaka: i'm not sure FSO guys know that much about illume internals |
| 20:00.38 | tschaka | PaulFertser i didnt find any command how to switch it on or of or anything. |
| 20:01.41 | PaulFertser | tschaka: i'm using information from this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg41669.html |
| 20:02.23 | tschaka | thanks! |
| 20:02.48 | PaulFertser | tschaka: you're welcome |
| 20:03.55 | PaulFertser | azaghal: it's easier than buzz fix. For buzz-fixing you need to replace 0402 R. For #1024 you need to replace 0805 cap. |
| 20:04.34 | PaulFertser | azaghal: otoh one needs to be careful to dismount the can. But it needs only patience. 5-10 minutes and the can is dismounted. The cap is conveniently located. |
| 20:06.08 | PaulFertser | azaghal: i'd estimate the amount of #1024-fix applied devices is ~20. |
| 20:06.16 | azaghal | Heheh |
| 20:06.30 | PaulFertser | azaghal: probably alphaone|gone knows better as he did the majority of fixes. |
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| 20:06.57 | azaghal | Actually, I'd need to have my friend take a look at it (I'm more of a software guy). But it's nice to see that such a fix would bring _very_ nice battery lifetime, |
| 20:07.42 | azaghal | PaulFertser: You're very useful, btw, thanks ;) |
| 20:09.12 | PaulFertser | azaghal: welcome. Before dismounting the can you need to pull off the wlan card (it's glued, but not very hard). To dismount use pin-pointed knife and go in circles lifting the can a little bit in every point you can safely reach. After several rounds it will come off. Patience! |
| 20:10.08 | azaghal | Hm... Anyone can tell me how I can check Neo version? (A5/6/7 thing) |
| 20:10.37 | PaulFertser | azaghal: cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep Revision , look at the last 2 digits. |
| 20:10.42 | azaghal | Great |
| 20:11.09 | azaghal | 60? That's A6 then, eh? |
| 20:11.13 | PaulFertser | azaghal: yes |
| 20:11.16 | azaghal | Drats |
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| 20:58.46 | balanceofcowards | Just for the record (no sound during calls): http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/443 |
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| 21:13.37 | takeiteasy | hi on my host PC when i do a : ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 21:14.00 | takeiteasy | i always have SIOCSIFADDR: no devices of this sort |
| 21:14.11 | ndnihil | try eth1 |
| 21:14.14 | ndnihil | or eth2 |
| 21:14.18 | tschaka | on recent kernels its ethx |
| 21:14.21 | ndnihil | or whatever your next eth dev is |
| 21:14.31 | viq | watch /var/log/messages and see what happens when you plug it in |
| 21:14.59 | ndnihil | Jul 3 14:42:39 akui kernel: eth2: register usbnet at usb-0000:00:1d.2-2, CDC Ethernet Device |
| 21:15.04 | ndnihil | it'll look like that |
| 21:15.14 | takeiteasy | ok thx you |
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| 21:27.26 | azaghal | Heheh, opkg keeps segfaulting on shr when doing opkg upgrade :) |
| 21:30.32 | SpeedEvil | swap |
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| 21:42.52 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: do you have a lot of packages to be upgraded? |
| 21:43.01 | azaghal | Yep |
| 21:43.10 | azaghal | opkg: fork failed |
| 21:43.15 | azaghal | That's what appears. |
| 21:43.18 | azaghal | Ah... |
| 21:43.24 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: I ran into this problem 2 days ago. and read today that it is a bug in opkg |
| 21:43.34 | azaghal | I have swap, just to activate it ;) |
| 21:43.37 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: when too many packages to upgrade, then it crashes |
| 21:44.15 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: how did I fix it? I ran opkg upgrade with only a copy/paste sub-list of the complete list of upgradable packages |
| 21:44.42 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: what is absolutely a pain, as I did it by hand. You should right away try to make it automatic |
| 21:45.33 | azaghal | onen|openBmap: It starts from the beginning? |
| 21:45.44 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: ? |
| 21:46.14 | azaghal | I haven't paid much attention - does it fail and start the whole upgrade all over again? |
| 21:46.42 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: I think so. running it multiple times always download the same packages :-( |
| 21:47.10 | azaghal | Argh |
| 21:47.28 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: opkg list_upgradable gives you the list of packages to upgrade. I tried to make a loop calling opkg for every package |
| 21:47.36 | azaghal | installs bash and prepares a one-liner |
| 21:47.47 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: but the output is name - versionstring - descriptionstring |
| 21:48.12 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: so either find a way to get list of names only, or use sed (for example) |
| 21:48.36 | azaghal | No problem, I like scripting. |
| 21:48.56 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: :-) you may add openbmap-logger to the list of packages to install though ;-) |
| 21:49.22 | onen|openBmap | is doing very subtle promotion of his project |
| 21:49.50 | azaghal | What does it do? |
| 21:50.37 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: it logs GSM cells data together with GPS positionning www.openbmap.org |
| 21:50.57 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenBmap |
| 21:53.14 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: the idea is to build a free database of GSM data. we build on top of it a kind of map of GSM coverage. you may then get your position directly from the GSM cell you are connected to, using a local database on the phone (dBus prototype working) |
| 21:53.50 | azaghal | Hm... Could it be used for some kind of GPS cache? (I've seen that cache thing on bro's N810) |
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| 21:54.35 | azaghal | Oooh, AGPLv3 :) |
| 21:55.23 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: not sure what you mean... you could get your position from the GSM cell, and gives it to the GPS, to speed the get a fix |
| 21:55.58 | mjr | that doesn't really speed it much... |
| 21:56.09 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: yep, but only a part of it. my client for one, is not agpl ;-) |
| 21:56.18 | mjr | but at least you have an approximate position quicker |
| 21:56.23 | azaghal | Is it GPL? |
| 21:57.10 | onen|openBmap | mjr: it does not? when you have the ephemeris I understood it helps, and I understood from others that giving the gps an approximate position would speed it up... ? |
| 21:57.27 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: gpl v... 3 IIRC |
| 21:57.39 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: I speak of my client |
| 21:57.52 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: server side is agpl AFAIK |
| 21:58.22 | mjr | well, it helps to know what satellites to try and receive, but that doesn't require any great deal of accuracy, previous fix is mostly probably just as good a starting point... |
| 21:58.48 | mjr | (also, I'm not sure if you can feed such data onto the chip, but that's just me) |
| 21:58.55 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: gsm positionning will be less precise than gps, but with local db, you get instant positionning, for many application it will be precise enough, and gsm is always on, and does not consume much power |
| 21:59.32 | onen|openBmap | mjr: cannot say, I am no specialist here, alphaone|gone would probably be, or DocScrutinizer |
| 22:00.11 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: big G. provides a Web api, but well, I don't want to tell every time to them where I stand |
| 22:01.15 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: mjr: and of course, you could get your position into buildings, and even on devices without gps at all :-) |
| 22:02.28 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: mjr: if you are interested, packages are in shr and om2009, soon in Debian (waiting for it being pushed to feed) |
| 22:02.59 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: mjr: feel free to ping me if you want to talk more about it, and of course feel free to use it ;-) |
| 22:03.15 | onen|openBmap | azaghal: mjr: I need some sleep for now :-) |
| 22:03.31 | azaghal | Heheh, nighty onen|openBmap ;) |
| 22:03.41 | azaghal | I hope upgrade can take 50 packages... |
| 22:04.01 | azaghal | I'll switch to 10, just in case. |
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| 22:22.38 | azaghal | How the heck is the alarm app called, it's driving me nuts -.- |
| 22:24.14 | alphaone | mjr: You can feed it approximate position |
| 22:25.25 | alphaone | And approx. position at last fix doesn't help if it was 6000km ago before you boarded the plane.. |
| 22:27.07 | mjr | not really an issue most of the time, unless it makes the chip aggressively assume it's where you say it was (thus degrading performance noticably) |
| 22:27.30 | mjr | umm, I mean, that would be bad even if it's not most of the time |
| 22:27.33 | mjr | sleep too also |
| 22:28.14 | mjr | anyway, approximate position into a building, yes, that can be nice... |
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| 22:36.00 | azaghal | Btw, any sensible way to change e's keyboard bindings from console? |
| 22:48.25 | SpeedEvil | I assume you're going to claim xmodmap isn't sensible enough for you? |
| 22:48.32 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:51.32 | azaghal | That's for remapping. |
| 22:51.53 | azaghal | But since E17 keeps its configuration in binary format... |
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| 23:01.15 | azaghal | Ah... enlightenment_remote :) |
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