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| 02:28.53 | CIA-45 | openmoko: 03werner * r5270 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (3 files): Added tentative fix for eeschema ./foo.sch -> error problem. |
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| 02:49.38 | badcloud | anyone awake? |
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| 02:53.11 | badcloud | hey Digital |
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| 04:08.30 | slaxxer | Footprint drawing ends |
| 04:08.30 | slaxxer | - Footprint review starts |
| 04:08.46 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | gps, with current agps data: inside room under roof, best 3 sat:32,33,35, ttf:80sec -- on window, same conditions:47,44,37, ttf:20sec |
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| 04:32.55 | josch | balrog-kun: no it doesnt - if you like you can get ssh access to my gta01 |
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| 04:58.00 | gmaxwell_ | So ⦠pulled my GTA02 out for a while after giving it a rest and I can't seem to flash it with dfu-util anymore! the kernel flashes okay, but rootfs bombs out with dfu upload error -110 (or -108 if I use a more recent version of dfu-util) |
| 04:58.03 | gmaxwell_ | Any suggestions? |
| 04:58.35 | gmaxwell_ | I'm using the same systems that have worked for me in the past⦠I tried doing a nand erase (which is usually required on my 01) |
| 04:58.57 | gmaxwell_ | right now I'm just trying to flash with 2008.12 though I started out with some other images earlier. |
| 04:59.20 | gmaxwell_ | (I've also tried flashing from two different systems, with different USB cables, etc) |
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| 05:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | how long does it take from shooting dfu-util until error? |
| 05:06.59 | gmaxwell_ | A long time, but sure enough I wasn't providing a -a on that system. |
| 05:07.06 | gmaxwell_ | (I had been on the one getting -108) |
| 05:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | err, sorry. I don't get it. "dfu-util -a rootfs ..." so what means "sure enough I wasn't providing a -a"? |
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| 05:09.53 | gmaxwell_ | I mean I was using dfu-util without a -a paramter at all.. re-running on that system with -a rootfs now. |
| 05:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | also a long time is a very fuzzy data |
| 05:10.30 | gmaxwell_ | "Several minutes" ... I'm running it inside time now so if it bombs again I'll have a more concrete value. |
| 05:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I *never* tried to dfu-util without -a. Wonder what's going to hapen then |
| 05:11.52 | gmaxwell_ | well, it didn't kill the bootloader at least. |
| 05:11.55 | gmaxwell_ | :) |
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| 05:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | several minutes otoh sounds like several MB to flash until error - so it's probably not flashing to kernel-partition etc |
| 05:13.09 | gmaxwell_ | Right, it was longer than the kernel flashes were taking (which did have the right parameter) |
| 05:14.27 | DocScrutinizer | iirc either shell or uboot-screen tell which partition is used to flash actually |
| 05:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | you might want to take a look |
| 05:14.48 | gmaxwell_ | well *now* it says rootfs |
| 05:14.52 | gmaxwell_ | didn't look before. :) |
| 05:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | what's the size of the image file you try to flash? |
| 05:16.58 | gmaxwell_ | 77MiB |
| 05:17.08 | DocScrutinizer | sounds about right |
| 05:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | did you compare to the filesize listed at download site? |
| 05:19.16 | gmaxwell_ | !@#!@ |
| 05:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | fail? |
| 05:20.50 | gmaxwell_ | I'm not sure how but the file I have is substantially larger than the one on the site. |
| 05:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 05:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | explains a lot, no? ;-P |
| 05:21.20 | gmaxwell_ | .... and larger than the one currently being downloaded by the exact same wget command line I used the first time. (i.e. I just reinvoked it from my shell history) |
| 05:22.28 | DocScrutinizer | strange |
| 05:22.50 | gmaxwell_ | I wonder if at some point I invoked the dfu download command and overwrote the image? |
| 05:23.38 | DocScrutinizer | that might well be a possibility |
| 05:24.27 | DocScrutinizer | download is broken according even to manpage of dfu-util |
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| 05:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | err -Upload that is |
| 05:25.59 | gmaxwell_ | Er, right. in DFU parlance. |
| 05:26.02 | DocScrutinizer | I always mix these |
| 05:26.29 | gmaxwell_ | Yes, it looks like thats what I did. doh. Lets just hope thats it. |
| 05:26.40 | DocScrutinizer | for sure |
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| 05:28.14 | DocScrutinizer | did you actually try to boot the system after the -110 Downlowd? |
| 05:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | It's supposed to restore your previously -Uploaded system |
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| 05:29.39 | gmaxwell_ | Well, the system was not booting when I powered it back up. I have no clue what oddball image I had on it when I last used it. |
| 05:29.47 | gmaxwell_ | So it may well have been, but I couldn't tell. |
| 05:29.51 | DocScrutinizer | probably your actual filesize should have been 256MB then |
| 05:30.03 | gmaxwell_ | It wasn't though⦠odd. |
| 05:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | how many "#" now? |
| 05:31.50 | gmaxwell_ | Many. |
| 05:31.51 | gmaxwell_ | :) |
| 05:32.17 | DocScrutinizer | I think target are 50 |
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| 05:32.52 | gmaxwell_ | Sorry, I'd have to start up x2x to copy it over.. It's a bit over half my terminal including the "starting download".. the terminal is ~ about 70 characters. |
| 05:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | I'm really tempted to patch dfu-util to include a nnn% and ETA display |
| 05:37.39 | gmaxwell_ | I don't remember it taking this long in the past⦠though really I've mostly not paid attention to it while flashing. |
| 05:39.01 | DocScrutinizer | aah, it's so F*CKING slow, I can't believe that's max speed the hw can reach |
| 05:39.39 | DocScrutinizer | I think my last time dfu-util took ~25min |
| 05:39.58 | gmaxwell_ | it finished, now doing the kernel... |
| 05:40.02 | gmaxwell_ | At least thats quick. |
| 05:40.31 | DocScrutinizer | don't mess with -a ;-) |
| 05:41.09 | gmaxwell_ | hm? shouldn't the kernel be -a kernel ? |
| 05:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 05:41.58 | gmaxwell_ | now I get to hope that it actually boots... sitting at the openmoko screen |
| 05:44.36 | gmaxwell_ | hopefully I'm also remembering the boot time to be far shorter than it actually is⦠|
| 05:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | first boot takes ages |
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| 05:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, every now and then it should spit a line on console |
| 05:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | any progress? |
| 05:49.10 | gmaxwell_ | wtf! it was still in the bootloader |
| 05:49.24 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 05:49.24 | gmaxwell_ | I connected to the usb console.. got the bootloader prompt |
| 05:49.33 | gmaxwell_ | typed boot and it poof kernel messages appeared |
| 05:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, seems you changed default boot env vars |
| 05:52.23 | gmaxwell_ | Not sure how I did that, but it explains why it wasn't booting when I powered it up again. |
| 05:52.33 | gmaxwell_ | I see how to change them⦠|
| 05:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | or you flashed some rubish to the env partition ;-P |
| 05:53.37 | DocScrutinizer | though I don't assume it was able to boot at all then |
| 05:54.01 | gmaxwell_ | it went out to lunch after starting the kernel |
| 05:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe some "cant mount root-fs" errormsg? |
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| 05:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | or is it just udev idling - thats known to take some minutes ;) |
| 05:57.20 | gmaxwell_ | the content of the env partition looks reasonable, but there is no timeout set. |
| 05:57.23 | gmaxwell_ | oh.. |
| 05:57.24 | gmaxwell_ | it's up now. |
| 05:57.25 | gmaxwell_ | woo. |
| 05:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 05:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | so have fun :) Me going to nap now |
| 05:59.37 | gmaxwell_ | Thanks! |
| 05:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | np |
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| 07:31.12 | Daramarak | I am trying to fetch information of the number of messages on the SIM card on FSO? |
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| 07:34.41 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.GetMessagebookInfo |
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| 07:56.41 | Daramarak | thank you paul! |
| 07:58.18 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: welcome |
| 08:01.52 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: Spaces separates the three lines? |
| 08:02.08 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: what three lines? |
| 08:02.13 | lindi- | Daramarak: you probably want to use python |
| 08:02.22 | lindi- | Daramarak: and not parse output of mdbus manually |
| 08:03.05 | Daramarak | ok |
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| 08:03.30 | Daramarak | There is a sample of mdbus on python in the wiki right? |
| 08:03.43 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: mdbus is CLI |
| 08:03.54 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: you are supposed to use python directly. |
| 08:04.15 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: read Zhone source code, it works as an example. |
| 08:04.47 | Daramarak | ok ill have a look |
| 08:06.12 | Daramarak | I get an Error.UnknownMethod on you cli lines Paul... |
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| 08:07.40 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: http://paste.debian.net/40803/ |
| 08:07.55 | Daramarak | sorry paul, my bad... |
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| 08:09.39 | Daramarak | I get a python dictionary out. first:1 last:15 used:15 does this mean that the sim is full? |
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| 08:14.53 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: yes |
| 08:15.12 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: hm, probably not, sorry |
| 08:15.26 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: you know where FSO api is described, don't you? |
| 08:15.35 | Daramarak | I know now ;) |
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| 08:16.09 | Daramarak | PaulFertser: I am tracking a bug in paroli, its my first, so I am quite green |
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| 08:18.36 | PaulFertser | Daramarak: good luck with that :) |
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| 09:58.01 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5272 10/trunk/gta02-core/io.sch: correct misslabelled resistor |
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| 10:08.47 | tig| | hmm is it safe to run opkg update on shr unstable at the moment or am I in for a world of pain and reflashing? |
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| 10:15.36 | sybren | tig|: make sure you have enough swap space (I use 128M on my SD) before you do that |
| 10:15.57 | sybren | tig|: and remove navit if you have it installed, then upgrade, then install navit again |
| 10:17.04 | tig| | sybren: I was more concerned about frameworkd et all as sometimes they are broken when in heavy development |
| 10:17.25 | tig| | I was going to use that script to update 10 packages at a time instead :) |
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| 10:17.41 | tig| | not got around to navit yet :) |
| 10:17.54 | sybren | 10 packages at a time instead of using swap is pushing it |
| 10:18.16 | sybren | I'd go for the swap, my entire freerunner runs better now that it can swap some stuff away sometimes |
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| 10:33.08 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5273 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (audio.sch bt.sch cpu.sch memory.sch usb.sch): add missing component annotations |
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| 11:33.33 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5275 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (bt.sch cpu.sch io.sch lcm.sch sd-sim.sch): |
| 11:33.33 | CIA-44 | openmoko: various small fixes |
| 11:33.33 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - remove duplicate components |
| 11:33.33 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - consistent global labels |
| 11:33.33 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - debug connector labels |
| 11:33.34 | CIA-44 | openmoko: - rearrage osscilator for clarity |
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| 12:52.10 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03werner * r5276 10/trunk/gta02-core/STATUS: Werner reviewed SD & SIM, rev 5275. |
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| 12:57.33 | [Rui] | anyone knows how gprs works on Om2009t5 ? |
| 12:58.00 | [Rui] | if I have a gprs connection, what happens when I receive a call? |
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| 13:01.22 | mickeyl | this largely depends on your network |
| 13:01.40 | mickeyl | here in germany, it's like that: |
| 13:01.50 | mickeyl | if the gprs connection is idle, it's 50% chances you get the call |
| 13:02.02 | mickeyl | 50% chances the call will be redirected to your mailbox |
| 13:02.06 | mickeyl | if your gprs connection is busy |
| 13:02.11 | mickeyl | 5% chance you get the call |
| 13:02.15 | mickeyl | 95% chance you get redirected |
| 13:02.21 | mickeyl | and no, this is not a Calypso problem (this time) |
| 13:05.12 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5277 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (bt.sch sd-sim.sch): rename R7901 inductor to L7901. Fix a couple of bugs from Werner's review. |
| 13:06.30 | [Rui] | mickey|bbiab: thank you, so it means I will not buy gprs from my operator |
| 13:06.47 | [Rui] | it's too expensive to be bought per megabyte/connection |
| 13:07.06 | [Rui] | oh... why isn't free wifi more available in Portugal :( |
| 13:17.09 | agg1n | mickeyl: i think there is a bug in libeflvala with GenlistItemLabelGetFunc delegate |
| 13:18.06 | agg1n | mickeyl: the "part" argument contains random crap for me instead of the part-string |
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| 15:09.50 | CIA-44 | openmoko: 03werner * r5278 10/trunk/gta02-core/lcm.sch: Found and removed the "missing" ground :) |
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| 16:45.40 | Bert_2 | Hi, I guess it's not possible to have shr-messages store SMSes on phone memory (or SD card) and not on SIM ? |
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| 16:47.19 | beer__ | if I want to transltate qt moko to danish how to I start during that? |
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| 16:48.03 | novalis_dt | beer__, step 1: Learn Danish. I recommend the Berlitz tapes (well, I have no idea how their Danish tapes are, but the Japanese tapes served me pretty well) |
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| 16:50.14 | beer__ | I think my danish is good enough for the job (no need for tabes) but it was more the tecnical things I was after. How to I get the strings there needed to be translated, how do I summit them ets? |
| 16:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | Bert_2: opimd (author dos1) should be able to do that |
| 16:53.59 | dos1 | Bert_2: well, i'm not really author of opimd, but i'm developing it :P |
| 16:54.11 | dos1 | and now i have over 1100 messages in SQLite database |
| 16:54.28 | dos1 | (i'm using my test scripts as daily messaging apps) |
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| 16:54.53 | dos1 | i think i'll announce that scripts soon |
| 16:55.44 | dos1 | (after writing support for sending long messages, and maybe sending with UCS-2 [IIRC] charset) |
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| 17:07.52 | bove_ | dos1: Is any of your work available in the SHR unstables by now? |
| 17:08.13 | azaghal | What are the scripts for? (joined a bit late) |
| 17:08.29 | dos1 | bove_: well, opimd is part of frameworkd |
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| 17:09.07 | dos1 | azaghal: there is no app which uses opimd interface for maintaining messages, so i needed some scripts for that (python apps) |
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| 17:10.19 | dos1 | bove_: it's available in SHR, but AFAIK it's really old version in repo. Wait until announce - then i'll check, if everything is in repo and easy to install :) |
| 17:10.46 | bove_ | dos1: I want to use the freerunner for a day or two this weekend, but I will need support for a ton of contacts |
| 17:11.30 | dos1 | bove_: contacts should be supported with libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 |
| 17:13.22 | bove_ | is that the current version in shr |
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| 17:19.08 | bove_ | I'm trying om2009 now, but I can't use kinetic scrolling without clicking on items. Is this a known problem? |
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| 17:21.01 | dos1 | bove_: by default in SHR libframeworkd-phonegui-efl is used, not -efl2 |
| 17:21.38 | bove_ | ok |
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| 17:26.43 | Pyrasi | hi all |
| 17:27.25 | kerm|t | shaw wow! http://twincitystories.com/blog/2009/03/28/vince-shlomi-shamwow-pitchman-arrested-for-battering-hooker/ |
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| 17:28.27 | Pyrasi | I just flashed the latest 2009 unstable and when booting illume and paroli load...but then paroli has the "loading..." overlay on top of it infinitely. I tried killing and restarting paroli...but it does the same thing |
| 17:28.33 | Pyrasi | is anyone else experiencing this? |
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| 17:44.23 | Pyrasi | has anyone flashed 2009 recently and can confirm or not that behavior? |
| 17:44.50 | Pyrasi | *2009 unstable |
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| 17:52.19 | bove_ | flashed it yesterday |
| 17:52.33 | bove_ | boots "fine" |
| 17:53.13 | bove_ | as long as I use a SIM card |
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| 17:56.04 | thrashold | Any quick hint on how to enable bluetooth on Debian? I have to catch the bus in a few minutes, and I need GPRS |
| 17:56.16 | thrashold | I did mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/Bluetooth SetPower 1 |
| 17:56.38 | thrashold | and mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy Bluetooth enabled |
| 17:56.44 | thrashold | and hcitool dev returns no devices |
| 17:58.55 | Pyrasi | huh....wonder whats going on with mine then... |
| 18:02.09 | thrashold | What's needed for Bluetooth |
| 18:02.28 | coney | hey kerm|t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRyj5cHIQA |
| 18:02.44 | lindi- | thrashold: PAN network? |
| 18:03.10 | thrashold | lindi-: I have something like that runing which I don't need,s hould I kill it? |
| 18:03.10 | lindi- | thrashold: iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/bluetooth.txt |
| 18:03.21 | lindi- | thrashold: what do you want to do with bluetooth? |
| 18:03.51 | thrashold | Use the modem of my other phone |
| 18:04.04 | lindi- | thrashold: from freerunner? |
| 18:04.11 | thrashold | yes |
| 18:04.14 | lindi- | thrashold: why not use freerunner's calypso? |
| 18:04.34 | thrashold | THat would be last resort if I don't manage to start bluetooth |
| 18:04.52 | lindi- | thrashold: you want ppp over rfcomm probably then |
| 18:05.13 | thrashold | I have set this up, but bluetooth is not working |
| 18:05.24 | lindi- | thrashold: did you load the modules and powerup? |
| 18:05.36 | thrashold | Yes |
| 18:05.36 | thrashold | OK |
| 18:05.38 | thrashold | Fixed it |
| 18:05.42 | thrashold | had to rmmod ohci-hcd |
| 18:07.14 | Pyrasi | what is the command line call to see if a sim card is detected in the phone? (I'm on 2009) |
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| 18:34.00 | bxyrk | hello ppl |
| 18:35.27 | bxyrk | i have a questin reguarding dependancies while source compiling something in debian on my fr |
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| 18:39.01 | PaulFertser | bxyrk: go on |
| 18:40.12 | bxyrk | i'm working on compiling airpwn and one of the dependancies is openssl... what package would that correspond to... possibly? |
| 18:41.10 | bxyrk | i couldn't find a .deb in my current repos whose name was *openssl*dev without other program names included |
| 18:41.37 | bxyrk | i was wondering if i maybe needed to take another look at my repos and maybe i'm missing one... |
| 18:42.38 | PaulFertser | bxyrk: what's that stuff you're compiling? I hope you know that FR's integrated wlan module doesn't support monitor mode? |
| 18:43.16 | bxyrk | absolutely.. i've recompiled the kernel to support all the usb wifi adaptors i own so i can use those for monitor/injecting |
| 18:43.29 | bxyrk | airpwn... google it.. funny stuff |
| 18:44.18 | bxyrk | it took a while to be able to menuconfig... but it wa worth it.. kismet w/gps on a phone rocks |
| 18:44.23 | PaulFertser | bxyrk: you need libssl-dev |
| 18:44.47 | bxyrk | duh... thanks man.. i feel special...lol |
| 18:45.04 | PaulFertser | bxyrk: wanna know how i found it? |
| 18:45.25 | PaulFertser | bxyrk: why do you feel special? |
| 18:46.11 | bxyrk | that's just too obvious for me to have missed it.. lol |
| 18:46.15 | bxyrk | how? |
| 18:47.17 | PaulFertser | bxyrk: went to packages.debian.org, looked at libssl0.9.8, on the right saw similar packages ;) |
| 18:47.52 | bxyrk | i didn't even think about libssl.. i was searching my cache for openssl.... lol |
| 18:49.10 | bxyrk | awesome... you think anyone would be interested in getting either my kernel .config or kernel+modules? |
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| 18:49.52 | PaulFertser | bxyrk: what's special about your config? |
| 18:50.28 | PaulFertser | bxyrk: i mean you can just copy defconfig, then start menuconfig and choose support for your adapter, easy, no? |
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| 18:52.03 | bxyrk | just the extra modules to compile... the .config was the hardest part to do... prolly just cuz i'm not really that great with the cross compiling, or even kernel compiling for that matter... i did the "make oldconfig menuconfig" on an nfs share mounted on my fr... that way i didn't have to figure out options that might've let me use my desktop to run it |
| 18:52.41 | bxyrk | after i made the .config... i just used that in the toolkit |
| 18:53.04 | boing | I have a Security/anonymity related question regarding openmoko devices: what are the criteria that identify a user? something like: GPS location, IMEI #, SIM Serial #, phone number? |
| 18:53.17 | PaulFertser | boing: identify a user to whom? |
| 18:53.28 | bxyrk | i just know that when i was first messing with my phone, the idea of the toolkit and cross compiling was intimidating... |
| 18:53.30 | boing | to the Phone company network |
| 18:53.38 | PaulFertser | boing: your cellular provider knows both your IMEI and SIM serial. |
| 18:53.50 | PaulFertser | boing: obviously phone number too. But not gps location. |
| 18:54.12 | boing | how come not GPS? I have always lived in the assumption that any phone can be location tracked |
| 18:54.14 | PaulFertser | bxyrk: cross-compiling just kernel is damn easy. Because it has no dependencies at all. |
| 18:54.33 | PaulFertser | bxyrk: and you already have defconfig. Just copy it and edit to your liking. |
| 18:54.44 | PaulFertser | boing: do you think all phones have gps builtin? |
| 18:54.47 | PaulFertser | boing: ;) |
| 18:55.21 | PaulFertser | boing: sure your location can be approximately determined by the company because you need to connect to cell stations and they're not that far apart. |
| 18:55.27 | boing | PaulFertser: surely it is possible to track bones whether or not they have GPS built in, no? a mean they are emitting a signal from a source.... I just assumed phone companies have James Bond style top-down maps with flashing red dots |
| 18:55.55 | PaulFertser | boing: not sure about red dots but they can do triangulation that gives a good estimate. |
| 18:57.03 | PaulFertser | boing: also i'm sure they have logs. If you use a known-to-be-belonging-to-a-suspect SIM card once in your FR, all your further network interaction (no matter with which SIM) can be tracked. |
| 18:57.07 | tschaka | boing as can be seen by some phone applications which estimate your positions by the gsm network. say, google ( urgh ) maps vor j2me phones. |
| 18:58.05 | bxyrk | boing:when i changed my cell service to a supported sim when i first got my fr.. i told them my IMEI because if say, it was stolen.. they put that number in their lists of stolen phones.. pretty sure they propagate to other companies... and service is denied to the device |
| 18:58.19 | SpeedEvil | bxyrk: not globally |
| 18:58.25 | bxyrk | true |
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| 18:58.38 | PaulFertser | boing: so, to be anonymous you need to use a neverused SIM card (bought without providing any credentials that can allow to track you) and cell phone. |
| 18:59.58 | boing | does this mean if someone makes my free runner, I could hunt them down? |
| 18:59.59 | PaulFertser | boing: also they can track you whenever you have your phone turned on. |
| 19:00.09 | bxyrk | yeah, but if some international 1337 h4x0r swiped my fr... A) i'd be mad as all hell, but B) i'd think he kinda deserved it... that's a crazy thing to snatch something practally attatched to me |
| 19:00.29 | PaulFertser | boing: probably not practically, but it's possible in theory. If it doesn't get transfered to another country. |
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| 19:01.03 | boing | PaulFertser: how does that work? does the phone and send out some ' this is where I am' blip every few seconds? isn't this wasteful on power? is it possible to disable that..? |
| 19:01.21 | SpeedEvil | it's required if you want to be able to make/recieve calls |
| 19:01.32 | PaulFertser | boing: by turning off gsm module, sure. |
| 19:01.55 | PaulFertser | boing: yes, it wastes power, but not that much. The network needs to know where you are to route calls/messages to you. |
| 19:02.00 | tim_abell | woo. irc on my freerunner! |
| 19:02.09 | SpeedEvil | and though in principle, you can track a phone by IMEI, I see no evidence (at least in the UK) for this being done for such 'boring' crimes as phone-theft |
| 19:02.17 | tim_abell | via pidgin |
| 19:02.30 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: but are the stolen phones at least blocked? |
| 19:02.45 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: yes - in the UK. |
| 19:02.54 | SpeedEvil | But it's not propagated out of the UK |
| 19:03.09 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: you might want to ask DocScrutinizer for his XChat config, iirc he has a usable one. |
| 19:03.19 | boing | SpeedEvil: why is that necessary? is it possible to configure the phone so that it is in silent mode, and not emmitting anything. and then it should be still possible to Ring when a call comes in, no? |
| 19:03.21 | bxyrk | tim : what distro/keyboard? |
| 19:03.25 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i think i've read about that, thanks for confirmation. |
| 19:03.27 | SpeedEvil | boing: no. |
| 19:03.33 | tim_abell | i like pidgin |
| 19:03.40 | SpeedEvil | boing: you cannot tell the network what to do. |
| 19:03.50 | boing | Ooooh. I'm starting to understand. |
| 19:03.53 | SpeedEvil | boing: it will not notify you if you are not logged in to a cell. |
| 19:04.12 | tim_abell | shr with the builtin bxyrk |
| 19:04.24 | boing | How do you people know about this stuff - this is way cool |
| 19:04.33 | SpeedEvil | boing: reading stuff. |
| 19:04.36 | boing | :) |
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| 19:04.51 | PaulFertser | boing: and after you hear something or read something you start to think that it's obvious ;) |
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| 19:05.02 | bxyrk | ...full time nerds rock... yup :) |
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| 19:05.16 | boing | is it possible to get your fr to create a new number, SIM ID# and IMEI# for every call you make? |
| 19:05.24 | SpeedEvil | boing: no |
| 19:05.26 | boing | That would surely be the ultimate |
| 19:05.37 | SpeedEvil | boing: you can't create your own SIM, only the phone company can |
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| 19:05.46 | SpeedEvil | Otherwise they wouldn't be able to bill you |
| 19:05.57 | tim_abell | back to a sensible sized keyboard. |
| 19:05.57 | boing | haha |
| 19:06.01 | boing | slaps head |
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| 19:06.07 | tim_abell | no msn plugin under pidgin it would seem :( |
| 19:06.18 | boing | So much for my plan of limitless free phone calls |
| 19:06.30 | boing | has to go to eat |
| 19:06.31 | SpeedEvil | In theory you can create new IMEI - if you had the proper firmware - but in the UK it may be an offence to do so if it's being done for illegal purposes. |
| 19:06.34 | boing | Thank you everyone! |
| 19:06.36 | boing | bbs |
| 19:07.03 | PaulFertser | boing: also changing IMEI is illegal |
| 19:07.15 | PaulFertser | boing: so even on FR it's not allowed. |
| 19:07.36 | SpeedEvil | It may be illegal - as I read the law in theUK - it's not actually illegal if you have the permission of the manufacturer, and are not intendint to do illegal things. |
| 19:07.41 | PaulFertser | boing: that said on most dumb cellphones there're known methods to change IMEI. |
| 19:07.51 | SpeedEvil | For example, ifyou're not attempting to get free calls |
| 19:08.28 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i see. |
| 19:09.05 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i can't see how changing IMEI can help to get free calls though |
| 19:09.28 | SpeedEvil | Well - true. |
| 19:09.33 | bxyrk | ...anyone think someone may be interested in .deb packages for airpwn and lorcon? |
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| 19:10.10 | PaulFertser | bxyrk: is there a reason why they're not properly packaged for Debian yet? |
| 19:10.21 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if it might not be possible to send a SMS pretending tto be someone who's just gone into a tunnel though. |
| 19:10.38 | tschaka | tim_abell i guess u can install a msn plugin, its in the shr repo |
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| 19:11.25 | bxyrk | there isn't a package for this prog yet period... it's going to be included in aircrack-ng svn soon though |
| 19:11.46 | bxyrk | however.. lorcon might be... |
| 19:12.49 | tim_abell | ah, thanks tschaka, i'd searched for the wrong thing |
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| 19:13.10 | dos1 | there are some guy with FR with imei 00000... |
| 19:13.13 | dos1 | and it worked :D |
| 19:14.21 | tschaka | tim_abell you're welcome. are you using pidgin in landscape btw? i found the keyboard much more useful there. but then i cannot one line of written and input field at max... |
| 19:14.37 | tschaka | tim_abell can only see* |
| 19:15.08 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: i think you need to boycott msn messenger, it'll help to get more people to use jabber. |
| 19:15.43 | bxyrk | ...literki rocks... it can go transparent... not as usable n a terminal, but with certain colors its even better |
| 19:15.48 | bxyrk | on* |
| 19:15.52 | tim_abell | PaulFertser, lol, I agree, but one mission at a time! |
| 19:16.45 | bxyrk | i have msn... and aim... and icq... and myspace im... but they're all deactivated on my account list, lol |
| 19:17.01 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: i just used some icq transport for some time and i didn't care much about its downtime. My real friends switched to jabber, others... well, if they don't need me, let it be so. |
| 19:17.46 | bxyrk | XMPP supports voip and whatnot right? |
| 19:18.13 | PaulFertser | bxyrk: i'm afraid no proper voip integration yet. |
| 19:18.23 | tschaka | bxyrk at least on empathy/telepathy base. |
| 19:18.28 | bxyrk | it seems like i remember hearing about it at one point.. but i know it's definately not implemented... |
| 19:19.20 | boing | SpeedEvil: I have to say I can't think of any legitimate reason for changing IMEI |
| 19:19.49 | bxyrk | i know the voip subject has surely been worn pretty thin... but voip on fr would just be my prolly most desired function... |
| 19:20.06 | SpeedEvil | boing: unbanning a recovered phone |
| 19:20.20 | SpeedEvil | bxyrk: GPRS has a 2s delay unfortunately |
| 19:20.33 | bxyrk | expecially using light/compressed codecs that would be decent over gprs |
| 19:20.47 | tschaka | boing in countries like iran this _could_ be useful at days like this... |
| 19:20.49 | SpeedEvil | So you're limited to push-talk |
| 19:20.58 | bxyrk | yeah.. i know it wouldn't be live.. but still |
| 19:21.02 | SpeedEvil | but yes |
| 19:21.09 | SpeedEvil | One-time-pad even is an option with that |
| 19:21.23 | SpeedEvil | a 4G microSD will give you years of sporradic talk |
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| 19:21.56 | bxyrk | there's at least a 1s delay on nextel ptt... even with all the "instant" hype |
| 19:22.13 | boing | is it possible to put in a PAYG Internet SIM into a FR and get cheap Internet? |
| 19:22.27 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:22.32 | SpeedEvil | In the UK at least. |
| 19:22.40 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile - 1 pound a day capped |
| 19:22.45 | SpeedEvil | or 5 days for 2.50 |
| 19:23.08 | bxyrk | i don't use my fr as a phone... i have a sony/ericcson, and i connect to gprs through bluetooth/gpppon |
| 19:23.12 | SpeedEvil | (.7p/Kb before the cap) |
| 19:23.40 | bxyrk | and my s/e has an HID program... so easy right click without hostmode |
| 19:26.05 | bxyrk | ...because i still haven't figured it out... |
| 19:26.20 | bxyrk | + with the stylus... :( |
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| 19:30.13 | bxyrk | next goal... find a better dm with softkeyboard that's lighter than gdm!! |
| 19:30.41 | boing | will brb dang phone |
| 19:33.58 | boing | SpeedEvil: I believe are some offer where you pay per gigabyte and you can use it up in your own time |
| 19:34.37 | SpeedEvil | boing: none cheaper than the above |
| 19:34.48 | SpeedEvil | (in the UK) |
| 19:34.56 | SpeedEvil | (last I looked some 6 months ago) |
| 19:43.08 | tim_abell | anyone else unable to release calls inn shr? |
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| 19:59.05 | tim_abell | "ERROR: Package omgps (parent omgps) is not available from any configured src." on shr. can anyone help? |
| 19:59.31 | tim_abell | i ran update as it suggested, didn't help |
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| 20:08.57 | tim_abell | where should i file bugs in applications under shr? |
| 20:09.09 | tim_abell | as in things that might be just packaging issues |
| 20:09.49 | dos1 | tim_abell: maybe on shr trac? :P |
| 20:11.59 | tim_abell | http://pastebin.com/f27ed20b8 mofi won't run for me |
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| 20:12.29 | tim_abell | do i need to install something extra? |
| 20:12.43 | tim_abell | or is it just broken, or is it just me? |
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| 20:37.52 | fredrin | tim_abell: aaaah, all the existencial questions the Freerunner raises, "is it broken? maybe it's me? am i broken?" lol Just be friends with the ghost in the machine and you're set to go :) |
| 20:44.08 | tim_abell | lol, i always assume it's me |
| 20:44.18 | tschaka | tim_abell http://www.opkg.org/package_221.html |
| 20:44.40 | tschaka | tim_abell are you using pidgin in landscape btw? i found the keyboard much more useful there. but then i cannot one line of written and input field at max... (my question from earlier) :) |
| 20:44.56 | tim_abell | ta for the link |
| 20:45.18 | tim_abell | i haven't put it in landscape, no |
| 20:47.08 | tschaka | ok thanks |
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| 20:49.24 | boing | I am very keen on the 'push to talk' subject. |
| 20:49.57 | boing | I am on out for some software that allows 2 way push to talk over the Internet. I think this would be a great solution for people with slow connects. |
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| 21:01.23 | SpeedEvil | That would be nice |
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| 21:02.57 | mjr | it could be useful on occation for many people, just no-one's bothered to productize anything on om |
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| 21:07.52 | DocScrutinizer | <dos1> there are some guy with FR with imei 00000... --- not every operator |
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| 21:22.08 | fredrin | docscrutinizer: eh, what imei? |
| 21:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | 0000 |
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| 21:23.20 | fredrin | and operators don't like that or what? |
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| 21:26.11 | fredrin | can one change imei on the Neo? |
| 21:26.22 | fredrin | .... :) |
| 21:27.47 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:27.55 | SpeedEvil | but those who know are not tellling how |
| 21:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: :-P |
| 21:31.01 | fredrin | what fun can you do with the imei, i just now it's not allowed.... a bit gsm n00b |
| 21:31.18 | DocScrutinizer | fredrin: exactly, some operators don't allow that imei |
| 21:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | i.e. it's on their locklist |
| 21:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | fredrin: there's simply no fun with imei |
| 21:35.20 | DocScrutinizer | fredrin: as few fun as is with serial# of your car |
| 21:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | you can flash an imei to your FR that is listed stolen device on your operator's locklist -nif you think thats fun |
| 21:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | fredrin: imei == international mobile equipment identifier |
| 21:39.28 | SpeedEvil | Is there any other handset identifier - for eample can they tell it's a calypso? (other than signature analysis0 |
| 21:41.09 | DocScrutinizer | fredrin: you could spy your local redneck's imei, then flash this to your own device, and call 911 / 112 and watch the heat raiding redneck's house. That's kinda lame though |
| 21:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: not afaik |
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| 21:41.55 | tyler | Hi |
| 21:42.24 | SpeedEvil | Has anyone thought of military applications for OM? |
| 21:42.27 | SpeedEvil | http://dilbert.com/ |
| 21:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yes |
| 21:43.00 | fredrin | docscrutinizer: mmmkay |
| 21:44.03 | Guest94768 | anyone uses SHR unstable with Debian lenny pc ? |
| 21:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: russian army said audio quality is much better than what they're used to, and much more reliable as well ;-D |
| 21:45.17 | novalis_dt | And open hardware makes it so much easier to convert them to IEDs... |
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| 21:46.54 | novalis_dt | Also, the GPS is so accurate that if your enemy is carrying one, you only need to bomb eight or ten blocks to be sure of killing them. |
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| 21:48.08 | DocScrutinizer | actually GPS was the big obstacle: can't reflash to use GLONASS |
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| 22:03.21 | xevi | Hi, I have a problem and i don't know how to detect where is the error, I can not conect to the OM via usb using ssh , the problem it's that don't apear the usb interface |
| 22:03.50 | xevi | i tried to do a lsmod to check if the modules are loaded and i get this |
| 22:03.58 | novalis_dt | xevi, is it on eth2? |
| 22:04.06 | xevi | /home/xevi# lsmod |grep cdc_ether |
| 22:04.06 | xevi | cdc_ether 4672 0 |
| 22:04.06 | xevi | usbnet 14024 1 cdc_ether |
| 22:04.06 | xevi | usbcore 118224 8 cdc_ether,usbnet,cdc_acm,stkwebcam,usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd |
| 22:04.52 | xevi | only apear the eth0 interface, and this is my wired network |
| 22:05.15 | xevi | /home/xevi# ifconfig |
| 22:05.15 | xevi | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:22:15:77:70:a4 |
| 22:05.15 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.15 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.15 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.15 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.17 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.19 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.21 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.23 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.27 | xevi | lo Link encap:Local Loopback |
| 22:05.29 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.31 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.33 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.36 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.37 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.40 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.41 | xevi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.51 | novalis_dt | xevi, pastebin in the future, please. |
| 22:05.58 | xevi | ok |
| 22:06.03 | novalis_dt | Did you try ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.200? or eth2? |
| 22:06.42 | novalis_dt | I'm not sure what ifconfig shows by default. Also, do you see anything in your logs? |
| 22:07.13 | novalis_dt | And are you sure you have a physical connection? Does your power button light up when you plug it in? |
| 22:07.45 | xevi | i did the ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.200 and now apears the interface |
| 22:08.39 | novalis_dt | xevi, and can you connect then? |
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| 22:09.22 | xevi | now i'm reading the usb networking instructions, but i think i can configure it |
| 22:09.28 | xevi | thanks |
| 22:09.33 | novalis_dt | sure, good luck. |
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| 23:23.22 | xelapond | Hey everyone, I just got my A6 freerunner! |
| 23:23.35 | xelapond | Is there a terminal included on the default phone(2008.8)? |
| 23:23.54 | xelapond | oh, nvm, searching the wiki answered my question |
| 23:24.10 | xelapond | so how do you know when the battery is charged? |
| 23:26.37 | [Rui] | xelapond: hi, nice! Now install shr or Om2009.t5 |
| 23:26.58 | xelapond | [Rui]: is that an unstable branch? |
| 23:28.07 | xelapond | ohh, this looks good:) |
| 23:28.41 | [Rui] | yeah, but in comparison win 2008.8... :) |
| 23:28.46 | xelapond | haha |
| 23:28.52 | xelapond | I don't ask because i'm scared, just wondering:) |
| 23:29.01 | xelapond | I got it to develop on, not use as a phone |
| 23:29.08 | xelapond | I already have a phone for using as a phone |
| 23:29.41 | [Rui] | xelapond: I use it as a phone as well :) |
| 23:29.49 | xelapond | And its stable enough for that? |
| 23:29.58 | [Rui] | I develop omnewrotate and elmdentica |
| 23:30.04 | [Rui] | xelapond: define stable :) |
| 23:30.08 | xelapond | ah, k then:) |
| 23:30.23 | xelapond | I don't know what either of those are, but that should soon change:) |
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| 23:31.23 | [Rui] | omnewrotate is a daemon that rotates the screen according to it's position, and elmdentica is a µ-blog tool (currently only supports identi.ca but it will support twitter.com as well, and others that use the same api). |
| 23:31.51 | xelapond | oh, very cool! |
| 23:31.58 | xelapond | I'm really excited to get started working on this |
| 23:32.12 | xelapond | I really believe we need a free phone, and I'm happy to help out! |
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| 23:43.07 | xelapond | [Rui]: How long does it take to charge on average? |
| 23:43.19 | [Rui] | a few hours |
| 23:43.30 | [Rui] | haven't counted and I usually keep it plugged |
| 23:43.35 | xelapond | oh |
| 23:43.53 | xelapond | I meant charge the battery, not run off of it |
| 23:44.16 | xelapond | it says not to run it off the battery for the first time until its fully charged, so I can't flash until I can unplug it |
| 23:44.22 | [Rui] | xelapond: yes, that's what I meant |
| 23:44.29 | xelapond | oh, ok |
| 23:44.31 | xelapond | seems long |
| 23:44.35 | [Rui] | xelapond: running off maybe a day and a half, mor or less |
| 23:44.56 | xelapond | ok |
| 23:45.09 | xelapond | well, I guess i'll have a look at the hardware while its chargind:P |
| 23:45.11 | xelapond | charging* |
| 23:46.42 | xelapond | nevermind, that won't work:/ |
| 23:46.53 | [Rui] | :) |
| 23:46.57 | [Rui] | ? |
| 23:47.16 | xelapond | You need to remove the battery |
| 23:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | xelapond: charging to 90% would take 90min with wallcharger and completely empty bat. New bat isn't usually empty though |
| 23:50.49 | xelapond | DocScrutinizer: Ok, thanks |
| 23:50.59 | xelapond | Mine didn't boot until I plugged it in, so it was probably close to empty |
| 23:51.39 | DocScrutinizer | xelapond: of course you can flash if bat is reasonably charged, which means at least 20% |
| 23:51.56 | xelapond | DocScrutinizer: The little icon in the upper left has two bars |
| 23:52.13 | xelapond | DocScrutinizer: Thats not really what I was worried about though, the wiki says I shoudl charge it 100% the first time |
| 23:52.28 | xelapond | should* |
| 23:52.44 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I recommended that as a safe best practice |
| 23:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | it's not absolutely mandatory though |
| 23:53.21 | xelapond | ok |
| 23:53.35 | xelapond | I can wait though, its not like I can't flash it in an hour:) |
| 23:55.45 | xelapond | how do you get the little rubber boots of the headphones? |
| 23:56.10 | xelapond | s/of/off |
| 23:58.45 | SpeedEvil | pull gently |