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| 11:32.26 | cgray | hi, I am thinking about getting a freerunner. It's a lot cheaper from pulster.de than elsewhere, but I see it only has the A6 version. Is there any way to know if that will buzz for my particular phone company? |
| 11:33.15 | Weiss | not really.. i think it even depends on which cell you're in |
| 11:33.49 | leinir | Pulster's phones will, i suspect, have been buzz fixed... but it might be an idea to ask :) |
| 11:34.14 | cgray | ok, thanks :) |
| 11:36.17 | PaulFertser | cgray: with an unfixed phone you'll face buzz sooner or later |
| 11:37.05 | Weiss | needs his FR buzz-fixing, but doesn't want to part with it for any length of time :( |
| 11:37.14 | Weiss | maybe i should organise a buzzfix party in the UK |
| 11:37.15 | PaulFertser | cgray: buzz is a hardware problem; yes probably with some phone company that works only on some particular frequency and while you're always in some particular place you might avoid buzz. But i wouldn't count on it. |
| 11:37.34 | PaulFertser | Weiss: i thought you could easily do it yourself without any parties ;) |
| 11:37.50 | cgray | PaulFertser: ok, thanks. I'll make sure to get a fixed one then |
| 11:37.57 | Weiss | PaulFertser: nooo... i'm not a hardware type.. |
| 11:37.59 | PaulFertser | cgray: buzz fix is easy. |
| 11:38.10 | PaulFertser | Weiss: don't you have hardware-minded guys at university? |
| 11:38.21 | Weiss | hmm.. possibly.. |
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| 11:42.14 | cgray | are there any other major problems that I should be aware of before buying? |
| 11:44.50 | PaulFertser | cgray: not ready for end-users? |
| 11:45.32 | cgray | yeah, I'm aware of that one :) but it's getting close right? |
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| 11:48.22 | PaulFertser | cgray: right. |
| 11:48.46 | PaulFertser | cgray: speaking of hardware problems: lack of bass in wired headset (even if you connect proper headphones). |
| 11:49.20 | PaulFertser | cgray: inability to get maximum suspend time due to recamping bug (the infamous #1024), can be fixed in hardware. |
| 11:49.40 | PaulFertser | cgray: even buzz-fixed version will buzz if you use wired headset for GSM. |
| 11:50.08 | cgray | PaulFertser: does a bluetooth headset work? |
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| 11:51.30 | PaulFertser | cgray: preliminary support exists. Some headsets are incompatible (hopefully yet) due to unknown (and hidden deep in bluetooth kernel modules) reasons. Also community is not motivated to test bluetooth support so no work on improving it is ongoing. |
| 11:51.52 | SpeedEvil | is motivated - but can't find his hardware. |
| 11:52.19 | sybren | is charging is BT headset right now |
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| 11:55.03 | sybren | btw, I know it's been deprecated, but I've made some improvements to Mofi. It now turns on the wifi power when it starts up, and the GUI is more responsive and stable |
| 11:55.29 | ChristW | I only got some static out of my BT headset for now. And setting it up is a relative pain in the *$$ at the moment. |
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| 11:57.56 | PaulFertser | ChristW: hi |
| 11:58.06 | PaulFertser | ChristW: i remember you pinged me yesterday ;) |
| 11:58.35 | PaulFertser | ChristW: can you describe your experience in a little bit more detailed way? |
| 11:59.31 | ChristW | PaulFertser: I did, but I was away at that time... and when I got back, I was out of time for the evening. Maybe tonight... |
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| 12:00.02 | ChristW | Anyway: I paired my BT Headset with QTEi. Pairing worked fine, but getting any audio to the headset proved to be a problem. |
| 12:00.05 | PaulFertser | ChristW: i was sleeping the time you pinged me :) |
| 12:00.12 | PaulFertser | ChristW: yes, sure. |
| 12:00.24 | ChristW | PaulFertser: That's a good excuse ;-) |
| 12:00.34 | PaulFertser | ChristW: do you want to get audio from SoC or from GSM? |
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| 12:01.09 | ChristW | _Maybe_ my headset is incompatible, it's quite an oldie. HBH-300 IIRC. I wanted to use the headset to make phone calls. |
| 12:01.33 | PaulFertser | ChristW: i hope you do understand in details how that all GSM<->BT stuff works. |
| 12:01.57 | lindi- | ChristW: hint: make your headset first work with your PC |
| 12:02.10 | PaulFertser | ChristW: if you want to use it for GSM calls, you need to 1. load appropriate alsa state file 2. Use a trick to workaround kernel problem |
| 12:02.25 | ChristW | lindi-: I'll put a BT dongle in my PC then :-) |
| 12:02.42 | ChristW | PaulFertser: I did find a BTHeadset.state somewhere... |
| 12:02.52 | PaulFertser | lindi-: so, have you already added BT headset support to Kapula? ;) |
| 12:03.17 | lindi- | PaulFertser: nope since i have not managed to get it to work :) |
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| 12:03.19 | PaulFertser | ChristW: the wiki has a link to a working one. Manually using bluetooth "Once again ..." section. |
| 12:03.48 | lindi- | PaulFertser: is there some way to test gsm audio routing without actually making calls? |
| 12:04.07 | ChristW | PaulFertser: That was the section I was following, indeed... And having 'something to test' would be nice as well! |
| 12:04.37 | PaulFertser | ChristW: and you'll need to do a trick after that: subprocess.call( [ "amixer", "sset", "Capture Left Mixer", "Analogue Mix Right" ] ); subprocess.call( [ "amixer", "sset", "Capture Left Mixer", "Analogue Mix Left" ] ) |
| 12:04.57 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i think yes, you need to prepare a custom state file to route audio from some other source. |
| 12:05.26 | PaulFertser | ChristW: (this trick is already incorporated in FSO, for Qtwhatever you'll have to take care of that yourself) |
| 12:05.40 | lindi- | PaulFertser: can you put the trick to wiki? |
| 12:05.44 | ChristW | I'll dive into the Wiki again, after trying to see if my (ancient) BT headset will work with my (ancient) BT dongle on my (ancient) Ubuntu PC :-) |
| 12:06.06 | PaulFertser | lindi-: hm, yes, but i need to find a good place for it. |
| 12:06.26 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it'd be better to fix the bug instead :-/ |
| 12:07.30 | lindi- | ChristW: i had two usb dongles and only one managed to work (fully reproducible) |
| 12:07.45 | lindi- | ChristW: so you might also want to try multiple usb bluetooth dongles |
| 12:07.58 | ChristW | Mkay, I'll see if it works, then! |
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| 12:08.16 | lindi- | ChristW: iki.fi/lindi/bluetooth-headset.txt is the manual way to record from headset on a PC |
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| 12:09.53 | ChristW | I'll try to see if that works, tonight. |
| 12:10.29 | PaulFertser | ChristW: are you a QTei developer? |
| 12:13.23 | ChristW | No, just a user at the moment. |
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| 13:19.16 | social | how to make gsm turned off by default in shr so I can use moko primary as gps? |
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| 13:21.30 | PaulFertser | social: do not start ophonekitd? |
| 13:21.51 | social | ah so I'll just remove it from rc |
| 13:22.54 | PaulFertser | social: yes, by default all FSO-controlled resources are turned off. When some program requests a resource, it's turned on until that program releases it (or exits). |
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| 13:29.34 | max_posedon | ophonekitd doesn't present in rc |
| 13:29.55 | max_posedon | its little bit harder to find from where it starts |
| 13:31.35 | Ainulindale | max_posedon: xinit |
| 13:31.51 | Ainulindale | But it should be in rc |
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| 13:58.48 | novalis_dt | I'm running SHR unstable and every time I get a text message, my phone starts playing what sounds like a staticky techno remix of a ringtone and it won' t stop until I boot it. Any ideas? |
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| 14:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | novalis_dt: in settings-profiles change msg-loop to off. It seems msg-length has no effect |
| 14:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | novalis_dt: this from one experience of same problem here. Not checked/verified |
| 14:20.07 | novalis_dt | I'll try that, thanks. |
| 14:20.23 | novalis_dt | Does that persist across reboots? |
| 14:20.43 | DocScrutinizer | yup, should |
| 14:20.48 | novalis_dt | Oh, wait. It appears message loop is in fact already off |
| 14:21.06 | novalis_dt | But message length was -1, which might be it. |
| 14:21.21 | DocScrutinizer | 7 here |
| 14:21.26 | novalis_dt | I'll try changing it to 0. |
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| 15:04.27 | |Marco| | is'nt this a copy of the Neo1973? http://images.google.co.uk/images?oe=UTF-8&q=samsung+beat+dj&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=syhKSoGcOsWE-QaHpaHfBQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=582499137 |
| 15:04.39 | |Marco| | almost |
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| 15:19.37 | sabrod | I agree with you |Marco| they are making money with the fun design, and the teens that will buy this phones are the kind of peoples that probably remember surfing the web and seeing a freerunner image... with some amazing technical details... |
| 15:19.59 | sabrod | Maybe some will buy it even with thinking they will have a fully openned device! :( |
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| 15:28.48 | |Marco| | sabrod: yeah, true |
| 15:30.39 | sabrod | Maybe the samsung users will open it... ;) ( some drilling fix parties could be also planned, to have the original design ;) ) |
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| 19:38.49 | ybit | http://www.youtube.com/v/cNu4CluFOcw&rel=1&fs=1&showsearch=0&hd=0 :: AHhrrr, an augmented reality shooter |
| 19:39.07 | ybit | www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvDWleKmhYs :: invizimals, an augmented reality game |
| 19:39.19 | ybit | i'd like to make something like this for the neo freerunner |
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| 19:41.47 | Frigid | Hello |
| 19:41.52 | ybit | need to modify the phone to use a psp camera or something equivalent |
| 19:41.55 | ybit | hi Frigid |
| 19:42.33 | Frigid | There was this blog that had instructions on how to install OpenMoko 2007.2 on a Palm TX. Is there a way to do the same with the newer versions of OM? |
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| 19:43.49 | ybit | ttp://ts.fujitsu.com/home/products/accessories/multimedia/webcam_130_port.html :: equivalent psp camera |
| 19:43.56 | ybit | Frigid: i won't be able to help |
| 19:45.09 | Frigid | PalmOS 5 is getting very old :P |
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| 20:32.22 | tim_abell | hiya, i want to file my issue with my bluetooth keyboard as a bug. which bugtracker should i use?. notes: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard#Om2009 , thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg48084.html |
| 20:33.48 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: probably bluez? |
| 20:34.09 | tim_abell | it works under ubuntu on my laptop |
| 20:34.26 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: what X server do you use? Xglamo? |
| 20:34.35 | tim_abell | how do i tell? |
| 20:34.42 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: ps ax | grep X |
| 20:34.45 | tim_abell | i just installed om2009 |
| 20:35.11 | tim_abell | glamo it would seem |
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| 20:35.36 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: then there's nobody who wants to fix it, so no use in filing a bug. |
| 20:35.53 | tim_abell | how come? |
| 20:35.55 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: there's Xorg glamo driver |
| 20:36.20 | tim_abell | i'm not sure I follow |
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| 20:36.39 | tim_abell | my knowledge of X is limited |
| 20:36.49 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: you say you're using kdrive-based Xglamo server. |
| 20:37.03 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: but nobody supports it because there exists a driver for regular Xorg. |
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| 20:37.27 | tim_abell | presumably this was the choice of whoever packaged up Om2009? |
| 20:37.38 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: so what? |
| 20:37.55 | tim_abell | then would the people who created om2009 not be interested? |
| 20:38.07 | tim_abell | bear with me while i get my head round all this |
| 20:39.00 | tim_abell | as far as I could tell, om2009 is the distribution from openmoko and its community, so i've been running that one |
| 20:39.48 | tim_abell | I don't really understand why no-one would care |
| 20:39.53 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: OM Inc. is no more involved in FR development except for the hosting. |
| 20:40.03 | tim_abell | uh, ok |
| 20:40.29 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: community focuses on SHR. OM2009 is OE-based distro with Paroli by default (Paroli also works on SHR btw) and is build by one man, nytowl. |
| 20:41.06 | tim_abell | you mean om2009 is a distro run by nytowl? |
| 20:41.27 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: basically, yes |
| 20:41.59 | tim_abell | interesting, i had no idea |
| 20:42.39 | tim_abell | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions lists om2009 as an official distro |
| 20:43.44 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: officially, OM inc is out of telecom business. |
| 20:43.48 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: read Who is who page |
| 20:44.52 | tim_abell | it's hard to keep up! |
| 20:46.15 | tim_abell | thanks. reading... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Who_is_Who |
| 20:47.48 | azaghal | Who mentioned SHR 20090624 yesterday? (something about not working perhaps?) |
| 20:48.08 | max_posedon | azaghal, many people report about problems |
| 20:48.16 | max_posedon | plz try one before this |
| 20:48.25 | tim_abell | PaulFertser: so am I understanding you correctly that SHR is the main focus of the community these days and that I've ended up somewhat on the wrong track? |
| 20:49.41 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: not wrong track. Paroli is here to stay anyway. And you can use it on SHR too. Just that if you want an FSO-based OE distro, probably SHR is a better choice. I recommend you to ask nytowl about his plans. |
| 20:49.44 | azaghal | max_posedon: Unstable or testing, though? |
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| 20:50.14 | max_posedon | try one shr-unstable before lates shr-unstable |
| 20:50.46 | tim_abell | PaulFertser: do you think I should move Om2009 from the official list to the community list on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions as I was a bit mislead by that |
| 20:51.57 | azaghal | Ok, thanks |
| 20:53.54 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: i think you should ask nytowl first |
| 20:54.13 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: i'm not sure if he (or somebody other) intents to continue. |
| 20:54.16 | tim_abell | ok, will do. thanks for your help. i'll give shr a go |
| 20:54.28 | tim_abell | there seems to be fairly regular updates of om2009 |
| 20:55.33 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: yes, mainly due to Paroli improvements. |
| 20:56.33 | tim_abell | that figures |
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| 20:59.45 | azaghal | I must admit, shr's settings app is nice. |
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| 22:20.34 | tim_abell | is reflashing from om2009 to shr |
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| 22:40.49 | tim_abell | now has shr running |
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| 23:26.29 | tim_abell | anyone around who could lend a hand with my bluetooth keyboard now i'm on shr? |
| 23:26.38 | tim_abell | i'm back to square one |
| 23:27.02 | tim_abell | i have it paired, i think, but nothing shows in the terminal window on the phone when i type on the bt keyboard |
| 23:27.38 | tim_abell | i've followed http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard#Bluez_4_method |
| 23:27.44 | tim_abell | which is apparently supposed to work |
| 23:29.32 | tim_abell | org.bluez.Input.Connect appears to be missing from the list of available commands in mdbus for my device |
| 23:29.53 | tim_abell | and there isn't a packaged hcidump for shr that i can see |
| 23:29.55 | tim_abell | sigh |
| 23:32.09 | tim_abell | this is my last opportunity to work on this for ages |
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| 23:35.14 | Weiss | tim_abell: i see, but can't help (just so you know someone's listening) |
| 23:40.49 | tim_abell | :) |
| 23:41.07 | tim_abell | why is everything so damn hard? |
| 23:41.29 | Weiss | in general, or on OM? |
| 23:41.34 | tim_abell | in general |
| 23:41.38 | tim_abell | mostly OSS |
| 23:41.58 | tim_abell | though I would never trade convenience for freedom |
| 23:42.37 | Weiss | i think bluetooth on OM is in need of someone to spend some time on it.. i don't think there is anyone at the moment |
| 23:42.40 | Weiss | but i may be wrong |
| 23:42.54 | tim_abell | it's annoying when people write things like "SHR testing (works)", and it doesn't for me. it's so tantalizing |
| 23:43.02 | tim_abell | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard#SHR_testing_.28works.29 |
| 23:46.24 | sabrod | Heh, it depends... I personaly don't like automation that I haven't setup by myself! (the way windows or some non oss works) ;) |
| 23:48.11 | sabrod | K, sorry guys ... :D |
| 23:49.04 | tim_abell | root@om-gta02 ~ $ mdbus -s org.bluez /org/bluez/1397/hci0/dev_00_0B_0D_8A_35_62 |
| 23:49.04 | tim_abell | org.bluez.Input.Connect |
| 23:49.04 | tim_abell | /org/bluez/1397/hci0/dev_00_0B_0D_8A_35_62: Connect failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod |
| 23:49.06 | tim_abell | argh |
| 23:50.23 | tim_abell | i never have enough time for this stuff |
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| 23:58.07 | tim_abell | nnnnrghh |