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| 00:15.52 | slaxxer | any luck with the 20090624 shr-unstable? |
| 00:16.29 | kerm|t | my phone is falling apart, when can i expect the neo freerunner to be selling to the general public? |
| 00:21.15 | max_posedon | kelvie, if you mean "ready to housewifi" - never. if ready for geeks - sells started 1 year ago |
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| 01:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | max_posedon: yup. ;-D |
| 01:32.10 | slaxxer | if u have a sweaty ear i think the salt eats the cool no-slip surface off:) |
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| 01:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: hehe, possible |
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| 04:23.56 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re20a94ca52ea 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (Makefile.am common.vala dbus.vala fsoframework-2.0.vapi): |
| 04:23.56 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: fsoframework: dbus: add DBusServiceNotifier class. This class will |
| 04:23.56 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: call a delegate whenever a service a client is interested in is |
| 04:23.56 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: appearing on or disappearing from the dbus. |
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| 06:55.58 | __Jan | hi there... i have a problem with my freerunner. i updated it to om2009 as described in the wiki. it boots but paroli doesn't start: http://www.pastebin.ca/1478077 |
| 06:56.16 | __Jan | i found this http://www.hentges.net/irclogs/%23openmoko/2009/May/20090508_openmoko.log but it doesn't help me either... |
| 06:56.58 | __Jan | the indentation errors seem to have beedn fixe |
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| 07:15.07 | Heinervdm | __Jan: run paroli from commandline to see the error messages |
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| 07:26.35 | __Jan | root@om-gta02:~# paroli |
| 07:26.39 | __Jan | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 07:26.43 | __Jan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.47 | __Jan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.47 | __Jan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.47 | __Jan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.47 | __Jan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.48 | __Jan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.48 | __Jan | ValueError: bad marshal data |
| 07:26.55 | PaulFertser | __Jan: pastebin next time please! |
| 07:27.18 | lindi- | 's eyes hurt to see X programs run as root :( |
| 07:27.18 | __Jan | yes sorry, remembered it as i pressed return... :) |
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| 07:27.44 | __Jan | lindi-: which user should i take with freerunner? ;) |
| 07:28.26 | lindi- | __Jan: "jan"? |
| 07:29.15 | __Jan | i don't have such a user on it (yet). thought it would be "standard" to run everything as root on the device... |
| 07:29.34 | __Jan | but as you said, i would never run x programs as root on my pc :) |
| 07:30.18 | lindi- | __Jan: yes om distros do it, but it's still bad :( |
| 07:30.44 | lindi- | __Jan: on debian I user my normal user, that has helped me avoid some mistakes |
| 07:31.47 | __Jan | hmm this still doesn't help me with my problem |
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| 07:33.51 | lindi- | __Jan: 1) python 2) from optparse import OptionParser |
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| 07:40.57 | __Jan | .... i love it. reflashed with the same rootfs image and it works out of the box. |
| 07:46.23 | __Jan | thank you anyway for your time :) |
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| 08:52.26 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 08:53.52 | spydon | hoi |
| 08:54.07 | spydon | how long time does it take to install koolu beta 7? |
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| 09:12.33 | spydon | how shall I format my sd card to work withh android |
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| 09:14.33 | PaulFertser | spydon: i'd say use a shredder. |
| 09:14.45 | spydon | shredder? |
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| 09:15.15 | PaulFertser | spydon: yeah, no use in sd card with android anyway |
| 09:18.57 | spydon | But then I can't save anything? |
| 09:19.05 | spydon | like pictures and stuff |
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| 09:19.38 | fredrin_ | spydon: i think(tm) that you must install it on NAND and have a sd card formated the Right(tm) way |
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| 09:19.55 | fredrin_ | android asumes that you got a sdcard to store stuff |
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| 09:20.31 | PaulFertser | fredrin_: and after that don't ask me why Qi stopped booting normal distros! |
| 09:26.03 | fredrin_ | PaulFertser: uuups :) did not know that |
| 09:27.33 | spydon | yeah I got it on nand but how is the rigth way to format it :P |
| 09:27.39 | spydon | fredrin, |
| 09:28.29 | PaulFertser | fredrin: also don't ask me why android developers forked the kernel instead of working with upstream (OM kernel devs). |
| 09:28.55 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: why? 8) |
| 09:29.28 | fredrin | hmmm |
| 09:31.19 | fredrin | PaulFertser: but if they use git it's not so big problem, since it's distributed |
| 09:31.35 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: because their bosses care about their money more than about fellow developers, and android developers don't want to do anything about it, i guess. |
| 09:31.40 | PaulFertser | fredrin: it is |
| 09:32.01 | PaulFertser | fredrin: they use git, but it doesn't help. Forking is rarely a good way to collaborate. |
| 09:32.28 | fredrin | that's just how the System(tm) works, i guess, |
| 09:33.07 | PaulFertser | fredrin: no, that's just how "open source" works, fuck it. Stay away from Android, it's "open source" and therefore sucks. |
| 09:33.14 | fredrin | but what i don't understand is why they use so reasources to get Android going on the Neo, when you got better hardware for it |
| 09:33.53 | fredrin | more android hardware/design whatever |
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| 09:34.22 | fredrin | gets a cup of coffe |
| 09:34.49 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: do you mean a google devs or koolu ones? |
| 09:35.14 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: koolu. As their kernel devs might be of help to the OM community. |
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| 09:35.52 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: hm. google sucks too |
| 09:35.57 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: no doubt |
| 09:36.20 | PaulFertser | "Android is cool because we have android market". Screw them. |
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| 09:37.07 | md2k7 | googled koolu and found "Unlocked A7 Freerunner with Google Android" |
| 09:37.14 | md2k7 | oO |
| 09:37.20 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: I've managed to compile adb tool for powerpc enabled linux... That was hard work... dancing with tambourine |
| 09:37.23 | max_posedon | )) marketing |
| 09:37.49 | fredrin | the cool thing about the Neo now, is that almost nobody got it and it's hard to get, and there is nothing like it, i makes me feel unique |
| 09:37.53 | fredrin | :D |
| 09:38.04 | PaulFertser | fredrin: hard to get FR? |
| 09:38.14 | fredrin | yes |
| 09:38.22 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: anal slaves of google and apple conquering the universe? 8) |
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| 09:38.49 | fredrin | in norway you just cant go to the nearest cellphone shop and buy it, you must make an effort, import it |
| 09:39.08 | md2k7 | when Skype runs on Android, can it somehow be brought to, like, SHR? |
| 09:39.18 | PaulFertser | fredrin: heh, it's nothing compared to what efforts were needed to get FR in russia ;) |
| 09:39.21 | Ainulindale | Not directly md2k7 |
| 09:39.29 | md2k7 | Ainulindale: why not? |
| 09:39.33 | PaulFertser | md2k7: why bother? |
| 09:39.35 | Ainulindale | But it should be packageable easily right now |
| 09:39.44 | PaulFertser | md2k7: do you want to run crap on your device? |
| 09:40.03 | md2k7 | PaulFertser: because I like Skype for example? because it's cheaper or free to use at home with wireless lan? |
| 09:40.08 | Ainulindale | PaulFertser: one shouldn't ask why the user wants to do something :-) |
| 09:40.10 | PaulFertser | md2k7: SIP |
| 09:40.24 | md2k7 | PaulFertser: I know it's not "compatible" with the open source definition :P |
| 09:40.32 | md2k7 | PaulFertser: I like it anyway |
| 09:40.34 | PaulFertser | Ainulindale: i would strongly oppose to _any_ proprietary stuff in SHR except gllin. |
| 09:40.55 | PaulFertser | Ainulindale: even in some kind of non-free repos. |
| 09:41.18 | PaulFertser | Ainulindale: i'd be sad to see SHR devs putting _any_ effort in making proprietary crap run. It'd be a waste of time imho. |
| 09:41.23 | PaulFertser | Even if users want it. |
| 09:41.29 | fredrin | PaulFertser: freetard :P I would like to have everything on my Neo |
| 09:41.30 | md2k7 | PaulFertser: then tell me how to call someone on Skype via SIP |
| 09:41.34 | Ainulindale | PaulFertser: well I wouldn't run it myself |
| 09:41.43 | Ainulindale | PaulFertser: But I can understand why someone would like to use it |
| 09:41.46 | Ainulindale | And anyways |
| 09:41.51 | Ainulindale | "Proprietary" is relative |
| 09:41.56 | Ainulindale | One may ask if mplayer is for instance |
| 09:42.00 | Ainulindale | (see debian policies) |
| 09:42.16 | PaulFertser | md2k7: just don't call someone on Skype, easy as that. |
| 09:42.16 | Ainulindale | As for myself I tend to listen to what the user wants |
| 09:42.25 | Ainulindale | If there is a huge demand for skype, why not? |
| 09:42.39 | PaulFertser | Ainulindale: how is mplayer proprietary? |
| 09:42.51 | md2k7 | PaulFertser: and what if everyone surrounding me is using Skype then? |
| 09:42.53 | Ainulindale | The license is weird PaulFertser |
| 09:42.58 | fredrin | it's more anoying that the gsm firmware is not open, that would have made the Neo even more unique, GSM hacking is the in the wind now, heh |
| 09:43.02 | Ainulindale | Or wass when I looked at it |
| 09:43.04 | Ainulindale | -s |
| 09:43.04 | PaulFertser | Ainulindale: because instead of solving the problem (convince users to use SIP) it adds to it. |
| 09:43.19 | PaulFertser | md2k7: then don't talk to them with VoIP. |
| 09:43.35 | Ainulindale | PaulFertser: don't worry I agree with you on the basis |
| 09:44.12 | Ainulindale | Although I disagree with you on the fact that whether a software is proprietary or not, if it fulfills a need there's no alternative for, I can't understand why one shouldn't use it |
| 09:44.16 | fredrin | PaulFertser: bah, easier to be pragmatic in life |
| 09:44.20 | md2k7 | was always wondering why some people HATE proprietary software to the point that they don't want it to be compatible with open-source stuff |
| 09:44.32 | PaulFertser | Ainulindale: there's an alternative to skype and it's SIP-clients. |
| 09:44.36 | PaulFertser | fredrin: easier |
| 09:44.42 | Ainulindale | PaulFertser: Yeah the question is : are they as well integrated? |
| 09:44.44 | md2k7 | that's kind of like Microsoft creating a new office file format for new incompatibility |
| 09:44.49 | Ainulindale | As told before, I don't personally care :-) |
| 09:45.03 | PaulFertser | fredrin: sometimes it's easier to steal something or to kill someone you know |
| 09:45.07 | fredrin | PaulFertser: like, have the cake and eat it too :D |
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| 09:45.32 | PaulFertser | md2k7: i don't say that free software shouldn't be compatible with skype. Where's the protocol spec? |
| 09:46.01 | fredrin | PaulFertser: I know, kill people tend to always create more problems later though, even if it looks like a good alternative in one moment |
| 09:46.06 | fredrin | :) |
| 09:46.21 | PaulFertser | fredrin: not always. |
| 09:46.50 | fredrin | poor people in africa is easy to kill, but they dont do much either way for me. |
| 09:47.02 | fredrin | is not a racist |
| 09:48.04 | md2k7 | PaulFertser: obviously they want to keep their market share :) |
| 09:49.04 | fredrin | wants to have a wifiblutoothgsm iPhone/android exploit hack that instantly bricks those phones, then the Neo owns the world |
| 09:49.06 | md2k7 | I wonder why noone has reverse-engineered it yet |
| 09:49.25 | PaulFertser | md2k7: if someone tells me he's using skype i say eww and that i willn't use it no matter what. |
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| 09:49.51 | fredrin | PaulFertser: even if it's it a pretty girl with webcam? |
| 09:50.11 | md2k7 | PaulFertser: no use arguing our personal point of view then :P |
| 09:50.39 | PaulFertser | fredrin: Yes, for sure. |
| 09:52.39 | PaulFertser | fredrin: if the girl is too stupid to install jabber or sip client, i'm not interested in her. And if she doesn't want it means she's not interested in me. Simple as that. |
| 09:53.29 | fredrin | buuuuuueno |
| 09:56.06 | md2k7 | "Skype can utilise other users' bandwidth." - wow, I didn't know that one. |
| 09:56.14 | fredrin | p2p |
| 09:56.30 | fredrin | it's the guys behind kazaa |
| 09:56.38 | md2k7 | guesses he's not the only one who never read the EULA... |
| 09:57.08 | md2k7 | well I knew communication went directly between users, but that you are relaying other people's traffic... |
| 09:57.16 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: my wife definitely can't install jabber and sip. 8))) |
| 09:57.25 | fredrin | they're smart guys the Skype people |
| 09:57.37 | fredrin | even fooled eBay, lol |
| 09:59.24 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: what does she do? |
| 09:59.42 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: nothing. sitting at home, making me working harder! 8) |
| 10:00.54 | Q-Master | boost sux |
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| 10:01.07 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: sitting at home doing nothing? |
| 10:02.01 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: not exactly, she's doing all the needed wife |
| 10:02.04 | Q-Master | 's work |
| 10:02.06 | Q-Master | crap |
| 10:02.13 | Q-Master | keyboards suxx to |
| 10:02.14 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: oh man, you're a sexist |
| 10:02.14 | Q-Master | o |
| 10:02.51 | Q-Master | 8) |
| 10:05.05 | SpeedEvil | If both parties are happy, what's the issue. |
| 10:05.22 | SpeedEvil | feels much the same about windows users. |
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| 10:06.59 | Q-Master | fun |
| 10:07.17 | Q-Master | swap can't be on fat partition |
| 10:08.24 | SpeedEvil | was sure he's done that before |
| 10:10.30 | SpeedEvil | worksforme |
| 10:10.37 | md2k7 | Q-Master: what about swap files then? |
| 10:10.41 | SpeedEvil | swap on file on vfat |
| 10:10.46 | md2k7 | yep |
| 10:10.54 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: it makes me sad when people who can make a lot of good just "sit at home doing housekeeping duties" instead. Looks like some kind of consensual slavery :-/ |
| 10:11.23 | md2k7 | PaulFertser: someone has to do the housekeeping duties :/ |
| 10:11.40 | PaulFertser | md2k7: take turns |
| 10:11.53 | md2k7 | PaulFertser: should already be the robots doing it, but somehow all the money goes into war bots atm |
| 10:11.55 | SpeedEvil | md2k7: That's what your open-source phone, and a USB neural implanted monkey is for. |
| 10:11.58 | Q-Master | SpeedEvil: but not for me. adding swap to ext3 and everything works ok, but on vfat - nop |
| 10:12.10 | md2k7 | neural implanted monkey, sounds good |
| 10:12.11 | SpeedEvil | Q-Master: All I did was |
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| 10:12.42 | md2k7 | SpeedEvil: how much is that monkey then? I guess you can't just go out and buy one |
| 10:12.43 | fredrin | is a sexist too |
| 10:13.09 | SpeedEvil | mkdosfs /dev/foo;mount /dev/foo /mnt;dd if=/dev/zero of=temp bs=1024 count=1024000;mkswap /mnt/tmp;swapon /mnt/temp |
| 10:13.15 | SpeedEvil | and it worked |
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| 10:13.59 | fredrin | there are nonfeminist women that even like to make food and do house stuff, and even enjoys sex :) |
| 10:15.26 | PaulFertser | fredrin: they might have their real intentions hidden deep inside the subconscious by the sexist parents or environment. |
| 10:15.26 | fredrin | md2k7: high five *borat* voice |
| 10:16.00 | SpeedEvil | Also - not working for reward doesn't mean not doing stuff. She could be hacking on the kernel. |
| 10:16.55 | PaulFertser | Hacking on the kernel is rarely called "housekeeping". |
| 10:17.00 | Q-Master | SpeedEvil: doesn't for me, but making swap on another ext3 partition works very well |
| 10:17.11 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 10:17.20 | SpeedEvil | What error messages do you get? |
| 10:17.54 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5247 10/trunk/gta02-core/cpu.sch: add spi |
| 10:17.54 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: she's making me happy. she really likes it. |
| 10:17.55 | SpeedEvil | Q-Master: this is vfat? |
| 10:18.35 | Q-Master | SpeedEvil: none. just swapon locks and in some minutes i catch a kernel panic |
| 10:18.36 | fredrin | Q-Master: :) |
| 10:18.42 | Q-Master | SpeedEvil: yep. vfat |
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| 10:19.14 | PaulFertser | All girls i talked to recently (except freshman students) can install gentoo. |
| 10:19.38 | SpeedEvil | Q-Master: Odd. 2.6.30 here |
| 10:19.47 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 10:19.55 | SpeedEvil | tries it on a mtd device. |
| 10:20.25 | Q-Master | SpeedEvil: Linux om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jun 24 08:12:12 CEST 2009 armv4tl unknown |
| 10:21.14 | SpeedEvil | this on the SD, or on the nand? |
| 10:21.23 | SpeedEvil | and x86 ATM |
| 10:21.30 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: hehe.... mine is from the village. She saw the computer first time at mines... |
| 10:21.30 | Q-Master | -s |
| 10:21.40 | Q-Master | SpeedEvil: uSD, and ARM |
| 10:22.17 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: having a kernel panic message can probably help |
| 10:22.52 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: it is something about timeout in kernel module |
| 10:23.17 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rc275c26b5557 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: handle incoming split messages and indicate missing parts |
| 10:23.18 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r3a538b8059f9 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM-Messages-FSO: mark merged message as unread after incoming CSM |
| 10:24.48 | SpeedEvil | First I'd media check the raw block device |
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| 10:31.28 | Q-Master | dos1! |
| 10:31.47 | SpeedEvil | tries to remember. |
| 10:31.56 | SpeedEvil | I think I started on dos3.0 |
| 10:34.04 | dos1 | Q-Master: hi |
| 10:34.19 | dos1 | i'm only for few minutes here, cause i'm going outside :x |
| 10:34.52 | Q-Master | dos1: how's the things with efl2? it works very bad now |
| 10:35.28 | dos1 | Q-Master: ping mrmoku for that, he is au efl2 |
| 10:35.46 | Q-Master | ok. |
| 10:36.13 | dos1 | s/au/author of/ |
| 10:38.10 | Q-Master | dos1: can you plz write to FSO ml about opimd API change? |
| 10:38.43 | Q-Master | dos1: yep, I've understood |
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| 11:05.58 | nio_ | Heh, so SHR stands for 'Scottish Hill Runners' ey? :) |
| 11:06.20 | Ainulindale | Meh :-) |
| 11:09.45 | sybren | Hey folks |
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| 11:10.16 | sybren | I've written some Python scripts that use DBUS on SHR Unstable, and I get "Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged" all the time. Is there anything I can do to fix that? |
| 11:13.17 | Q-Master | skip it? 8) |
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| 11:13.30 | pabs3 | anyone here have anything to do with the debconf openmoko buzz fix party? |
| 11:18.32 | nullix | hi, will there be some people using/involved in openmoko coming to RMLL (French :Worldwide Free Software Meeting) http://2009.rmll.info/ 7-11th July 2009 ? |
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| 11:18.43 | nullix | i will attend. |
| 11:19.09 | nio_ | Is SHR unstable worth a try for daily phone use? |
| 11:19.48 | nio_ | Meh, I'm just gonna try it anyway..) |
| 11:22.34 | leinir | Hmm... that's a rather uncommonly unluckily placed event, nullix :) |
| 11:22.46 | leinir | Same time as the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit :) |
| 11:29.11 | nullix | leinir: well, i wasn't ware about, anyway i don't have budget to flight to canary island anyway. |
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| 11:33.46 | leinir | it's more a problem that there's people who might well have wanted to take part in both :) |
| 11:35.56 | nullix | yes but this date was set long time ago, and there are always conflicting events, that's life :-) |
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| 11:40.53 | Blackhex | Hello, please how to mount internal memory when I booted from SD card? |
| 11:40.56 | leinir | Hehe, yup, always the way :) |
| 11:42.56 | lindi- | Blackhex: what's unclear? |
| 11:43.07 | Blackhex | lindi-: what's the device |
| 11:43.29 | Blackhex | somehow searching in openmoko wiki stoped working |
| 11:43.53 | Q-Master | Blackhex: /dev/mtdblock6 /media/flash jffs2 rw,noatime,noauto 0 2 |
| 11:43.55 | Q-Master | in /etc/fstab |
| 11:44.03 | Blackhex | Q-Master: Thank you |
| 11:44.24 | Q-Master | Blackhex: np |
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| 11:46.05 | Blackhex | I would suggest to include /boot/uImage-GTA02 file in om2009 releases. It's quite annoying for Qi users to create this file aggain and aggain... |
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| 11:48.27 | lindi- | Blackhex: that's the problem of Qi, you can't configure it :-) |
| 11:48.48 | Q-Master | don't use OM2009 |
| 11:48.48 | lindi- | Blackhex: at least it should be symlink. having a file with that name is not very informative |
| 11:49.50 | Blackhex | lindi-: maybe I'm wrong but once I've try to make a symlink of kernel for Qi it won't boot, so I suppose it has to bo regular file |
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| 11:54.25 | Q-Master | Blackhex: you're wrong. In shr this symlink is created automatically, so everything works ok for me |
| 11:54.28 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: Qi supports symlinks |
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| 11:54.58 | Blackhex | Can it be relative? |
| 11:56.13 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: yes |
| 11:56.31 | Blackhex | weird, I've just tried and it didn't boot. |
| 11:56.45 | Q-Master | it works for me |
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| 11:56.52 | xqo | Hi! |
| 11:57.03 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 49 Jun 4 23:14 /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin -> uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_a-t-5b8138ba5c1dbc86.bin |
| 11:57.26 | Q-Master | Blackhex: root@om-gta02 ~ $ ls -al /boot |
| 11:57.26 | Q-Master | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 24 12:55 . |
| 11:57.26 | Q-Master | drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 Jun 2 12:01 .. |
| 11:57.26 | Q-Master | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26 Jun 9 08:32 append-GTA02 |
| 11:57.26 | Q-Master | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Jun 24 12:55 uImage -> uImage-2.6.29-rc3 |
| 11:57.27 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: you use incorrect file name |
| 11:57.41 | Q-Master | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1832600 Jun 24 10:21 uImage-2.6.29-rc3 |
| 11:57.41 | Q-Master | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Jun 2 11:21 uImage-GTA02.bin -> uImage |
| 11:57.41 | Q-Master | Blackhex: 2 symklinks |
| 11:57.43 | Blackhex | uImage-GTA02.bin ? |
| 11:58.00 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: that'd be correct. |
| 11:58.13 | Blackhex | that's what I'm using |
| 11:58.37 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: you see the symlink i use, don't you? |
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| 12:05.20 | rhaeder1 | hello, when do you add this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Wish_List_-_Hardware#PIN_secured.3F |
| 12:05.27 | rhaeder1 | maybe wrong place, okay :) |
| 12:05.35 | rhaeder1 | it is software, not hardware |
| 12:07.27 | PaulFertser | rhaeder1: to whom this question is directed? |
| 12:08.12 | rhaeder1 | do this list |
| 12:09.02 | rhaeder1 | doh? I'm double signed in. again I forgot to go offline on my home computer :/ |
| 12:10.39 | SpeedEvil | rhaeder: wishlist features - if you add it yourself |
| 12:10.58 | SpeedEvil | rhaeder: very few of them are likley to be implemented in the next year |
| 12:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | sheeesh, my tablet seems to be logged in to a dummy bip |
| 12:20.08 | DocScrutinizer | again: |
| 12:20.11 | DocScrutinizer | maybe symlink even *has* to be relative, as Qi might have limited knowledge about whole filesystem. I could imagine sth like "./../boot/uImage" won't work. Also a symlink to a symlink might not work. PaulFertser might correct me if i'm wrong |
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| 12:20.43 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i think anything like that should work, iirc. |
| 12:21.17 | PaulFertser | There's a limit so you won't be able to cycle symlinks forever. |
| 12:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | k, was just a wild guess, based on consideration about Qi supposed to be as simple as possible |
| 12:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, seems now my tablet did a relogon |
| 12:22.43 | DocScrutinizer | bbl, cya |
| 12:26.51 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5248 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (STATUS cpu-power.sch cpu_power.sch gta02-core.sch): Renamed cpu_power.sch to cpu-power.sch. |
| 12:29.04 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5249 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/gta02-core-expanded.lib expanded/cpu.sch): |
| 12:29.04 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Added HT110 (single LED) and ISC5804AT2 (single transistor) to expanded |
| 12:29.04 | CIA-47 | openmoko: view. |
| 12:34.41 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5250 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib): Removed generated libraries. |
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| 12:37.40 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5251 10/trunk/gta02-core/Makefile: |
| 12:37.40 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Added convenience target "make update" to check out the latest SVN revision |
| 12:37.40 | CIA-47 | openmoko: and to run mkloe. |
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| 13:05.41 | ChristW | Good afternoon! |
| 13:06.54 | ChristW | I'm having trouble with QTEi's 'Internet' settings, wireless networks to be exact. I can choose an ESSID, but not the mode, nor a password. QT's help _does_ mention a mode and encryption settings. What could be wrong? |
| 13:07.36 | PaulFertser | ChristW: using QTEi? ;) |
| 13:07.51 | ChristW | ...if I want a reliable phone, yes... |
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| 13:08.24 | ChristW | Om2009t5 doesn't give me any audio (in- nor out-) during a GSM call, which is not the intended usage for a phone. |
| 13:08.37 | PaulFertser | TBH i still can't understand why people who want a reliable phone use FR... |
| 13:08.54 | ChristW | So, to appease my SO, I bought an SD card (not to appease her) and installed QTEi... |
| 13:09.02 | Blackhex | Hello, me again. I installed SHR on your recommendation, but USB networking stopped working... |
| 13:09.12 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: read dmesg on your host? |
| 13:09.45 | ChristW | Well, there's a difference between 'reliable' and 'reliable', but still... _Any_ sound (in QTEi) beats no sound at all. |
| 13:11.06 | PaulFertser | ChristW: you probably used some wrong build or smth. Or you just needed to ssh to the device and quickly find out what's wrong with it. |
| 13:11.46 | Blackhex | [ 1055.650995] usbcore: deregistering interface driver cdc_ether |
| 13:11.47 | Blackhex | [ 1059.446202] usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether |
| 13:11.57 | ChristW | For Om2009? I'll do that at home, since at the moment I am on a Mac, and don't have a cable handy. |
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| 13:12.25 | Blackhex | nothing appropriate just that, I can't find any nopaste service |
| 13:12.42 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: read more |
| 13:12.57 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: you should see a network interface appearing. |
| 13:13.43 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: the problem is that it is not appearing and device is not getting power. It seems like host problem but I worked perfectly before few seconds when I have Om2009 booted. |
| 13:13.56 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: ifconfig -a |
| 13:14.16 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: nothing |
| 13:15.03 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: ifconfig -a | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
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| 13:17.26 | Blackhex | http://nopaste.ceske-hry.cz:80/222722 |
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| 13:19.50 | methril|work | morning |
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| 13:21.15 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: see, no usb interface at all, dmes is empyt even when I re-attach the device |
| 13:22.28 | rhaeder1 | s.o. from Germany, Ruhrgebiet here? http://osm.org/go/0GDzS4Rhv== <-- we want to meet today here (Düsseldorf) |
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| 13:26.30 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: just rebooted to Om2009 and it's working aggain, so the problem is that SHR don't activate USB device at all |
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| 13:44.25 | slaxxer | maybe using an older kernel will work |
| 13:44.58 | slaxxer | shr-unstable 20090624 wouldnt work for me |
| 13:45.16 | slaxxer | moved back to 20090617 |
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| 13:50.38 | Blackhex | slaxxer: It's testing |
| 13:51.12 | Blackhex | slaxxer: but i'll try |
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| 13:58.02 | xqo | anyone using windows to connect to their freerunner? |
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| 14:06.01 | lindi- | xqo: should everyone just answer "no"? ;) |
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| 14:08.05 | SM2k | xqo: I tried that early on as I was setting things up. that's the path of pain. when forced to use a windows machine, I simply resort to running linux in a VM. |
| 14:09.27 | xqo | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1279 |
| 14:09.53 | xqo | i am having problems with that, mwester posted a patch or something: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1279/rndis.patch, but i dont know how to use it |
| 14:10.21 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: 20090624 borks for me as well, frequently. "dbus borked", missing inbound calls, no outbound calls, settings segfaulting or freezing... etc pp |
| 14:13.57 | max_posedon | dbus borked can be meet in any version... |
| 14:14.39 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: you really should upgrade only one package at a time so that you know which one causes the issue? |
| 14:14.59 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, I flashed the image |
| 14:15.05 | SM2k | that's far too involved. :-) |
| 14:15.23 | lysgaard | I've got these problems with usb host. Heres my dmesg, you can se it at the end: http://hpaste.org/fastcgi/hpaste.fcgi/view?id=6356#a6356 |
| 14:15.32 | lindi- | in debian I always do daily backups and when I upgrade I read the changelogs of the package |
| 14:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: so no upgrade involved at all |
| 14:15.54 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: ah yes, flashing is evil too :) |
| 14:15.59 | max_posedon | btw, fsousaged finally works for me |
| 14:16.09 | max_posedon | after sunday |
| 14:16.23 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: FR is evil, everything else is colateral |
| 14:16.25 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: (or rather the need to flash is usually a symptom of a system that is hard to upgrade) |
| 14:17.29 | DocScrutinizer | well, I hardly could update from a NeoUnderground test console image from 2008.06 |
| 14:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | s/date/grade/ |
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| 14:18.26 | xqo | I am looking for a 2.6.22.5 uImage, where can i find one? |
| 14:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: so I *had* to flash anyway |
| 14:19.03 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: yeah i'm not blaming you specifically :) |
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| 14:26.16 | Blackhex | Just great, I installed shr-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090617-om-gta02.rootfs and USB networking still not working. |
| 14:28.52 | lysgaard | Blackhex: It's probably the renaming of interface problem |
| 14:29.23 | Blackhex | lysgaard: that means? |
| 14:29.27 | lysgaard | Blackhex: Do you have some sort of autamation when you plug in the neo to get dns ip etc? |
| 14:30.28 | Blackhex | lysgaard: there is not problem with network configuration, but with usb device, SHR is refusing to intialize device even for charging |
| 14:31.21 | Blackhex | lysgaard: I used lastest testing and now 20090617 unstable which shoul be fine according to slaxxer |
| 14:31.23 | lysgaard | Well, then i don't know what's wrong. But i have to say I'm having strange usb problems too |
| 14:31.33 | xqo | is it possible to stop Paroli from checking for the SIM PIN-code? I don't remember mine, and I disabled the SIM-card's checking with another phone |
| 14:32.17 | lysgaard | xqo: Dunno, but ask the #paroli channel |
| 14:32.44 | xqo | oki, thank you |
| 14:33.00 | lysgaard | Blackhex: Do usb host work to you? |
| 14:33.58 | Blackhex | lysgaard: everything (only USB :-)) is working file in Om2009 |
| 14:34.56 | lysgaard | Well, I'm on shr, want to get it working there. You've tried usb _host_? |
| 14:35.00 | Blackhex | lysgaard: but after I reboot to SHR, there is simply no usb networking device both on host and neo |
| 14:35.27 | Blackhex | lysgaard: what do you mean by _host_? |
| 14:36.06 | lysgaard | I mean plugging usb devices to the freerunner, eg memmorystick |
| 14:37.03 | Blackhex | lysanderslair: I have nothing with micro usb port |
| 14:37.08 | methril|work | lysgaard: what your dmesg said? |
| 14:38.52 | Blackhex | Just tell me, if anyone has wokring usb networking or even charging with SHR, what image did you installed (a link), please |
| 14:39.43 | lysgaard | methril|work: This is the dmesg from the phone when i try to plug in usb devices in host mode: http://hpaste.org/fastcgi/hpaste.fcgi/view?id=6356#a6356 |
| 14:42.05 | lysgaard | Blackhex: I have working usb networking, scp etc on latest shr |
| 14:42.12 | lysgaard | methril|work: You see the usb errors at the end: Unable to enumerate etc. |
| 14:42.12 | Blackhex | lysgaard: testing or unstable? |
| 14:42.13 | Blackhex | lysanderslair: lite or not? |
| 14:42.21 | Blackhex | sry |
| 14:42.43 | lysgaard | Blackhex: unstable |
| 14:43.13 | Blackhex | lysgaard: ok, that's ome I haven't tried, flashing... |
| 14:45.44 | Blackhex | I just for fun exectuted modprobe usbnet on the phone and it says Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.24/modules.dep No such file or directory. The kernel should be 2.6.29, is that a problem? |
| 14:46.39 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: i can provide you dmesg from my kernel after i insert a mass storage device. Not sure it'll be of any help. |
| 14:46.59 | lysgaard | PaulFertser: Would me nice |
| 14:47.10 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: looks like you're running 2.6.24 instead of 2.6.29. |
| 14:47.45 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: so if you use kernel for which you don't have modules it might very well result in inability to establish usbnet connection. |
| 14:48.26 | lysgaard | Hey! that's maybe it |
| 14:48.27 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: so how is it possible that I have booted 2.6.24? |
| 14:48.34 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: I use Qi |
| 14:49.06 | lysgaard | When i use modprobe i get the same error |
| 14:49.37 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: do you have uSD inserted? |
| 14:49.43 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: really? |
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| 14:50.31 | Blackhex | uname -r gives me 2.6.24 |
| 14:50.35 | lysgaard | Yes! Here's a snippet from ssh: http://hpaste.org/fastcgi/hpaste.fcgi/view?id=6357#a6357 |
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| 14:50.41 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: here is my dmesg http://paste.debian.net/40561/ |
| 14:50.50 | lysgaard | Well, it's not completely the same error |
| 14:51.06 | Blackhex | isn't possible that /boot/uImage.bin is old 2.6.24 kernel and everyone has used kernel from boot patition so far? |
| 14:52.20 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: Qi boots the first kernel it founds. First it looks at uSD. Then boots from NAND. |
| 14:52.47 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: I now that's what I ment. |
| 14:53.11 | methril|work | lysgaard: change your kernel |
| 14:53.15 | Blackhex | s/now/know |
| 14:53.37 | methril|work | lysgaard: do you have /lib/modules/2.6.29-rc3 dir? |
| 14:53.38 | lysgaard | methril|work: How? |
| 14:53.44 | lysgaard | Yes |
| 14:54.00 | methril|work | you boot from uSD or flash? |
| 14:54.01 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: so you built a new kernel but are using the old one? |
| 14:54.04 | lysgaard | flash |
| 14:54.12 | lysgaard | maybe? i don know |
| 14:54.16 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: no, you've another problem. |
| 14:54.28 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: you should have untarred the modules archives to your / |
| 14:54.41 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5252 10/trunk/gta02-core/gps.sch: Use net names instead of global labels |
| 14:54.44 | lysgaard | oh? never done that before |
| 14:55.01 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: in your build directory there's a modules archive waiting for you ;) |
| 14:55.10 | lysgaard | ah! |
| 14:55.18 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: otoh it's not strictly necessary with "moredrivers" defconfig. |
| 14:55.25 | methril|work | PaulFertser: get the trick :) |
| 14:55.33 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: i have only ipv6 loaded atm and i never needed it actually. |
| 14:56.50 | lysgaard | So that's not what's bugging my usb? |
| 14:57.40 | methril|work | lysgaard: What's bugging your usb are missing modules for the boot kernel |
| 14:57.54 | methril|work | if you have 2.6.24, you need the 2.6.24 kernel modules |
| 14:58.18 | methril|work | or if you have 2.6.29rc3 you need the 2.6.29-rc3 kernel modules |
| 14:58.27 | lysgaard | how do i check? |
| 14:58.27 | Blackhex | I have /lib/modules/2.6.29-rc3 but uname -r is 2.6.24 so how is this possible when I flashed http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090617-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 didn't make any further changes and bootet from internal flash with Qi? |
| 14:59.00 | lysgaard | methril|work: uname -a 2.6.29-GTA02_andy-tracking-mokodev |
| 14:59.14 | methril|work | untar the 2.6.24 in your root fs and you could have /lib/modules/2.6.24 |
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| 14:59.51 | Blackhex | methril|work: how without USB networking :-)? |
| 14:59.52 | lysgaard | Where do i find the module tar pack? |
| 14:59.53 | methril|work | lysgaard: if you compile your kernel, you've a modules tar file in your build dir |
| 15:00.17 | methril|work | Blackhex: copying to a uSD card? |
| 15:00.41 | methril|work | lysgaard: what you used to compile? OE or toolchain? |
| 15:00.43 | Blackhex | methril|work: I don't have an adapter right now |
| 15:01.22 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5253 10/trunk/gta02-core/gps.sch: Missing annotation |
| 15:01.24 | methril|work | Blackhex: then modify your rootfs with the modules and flash it again |
| 15:02.08 | lysgaard | methril|work: OE i guess. I ised the build script from git |
| 15:02.09 | Blackhex | methril|work: so why is 2.6.24 kerenel and 2.6.29 modules on official SHR images, should I wait until it's fixed? |
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| 15:03.39 | Blackhex | getting jffs2 mount working would take me much time which I don't want to spent on it right now, just tell me what Image I should flash wich has modules and kernel matching, please? |
| 15:04.02 | max_posedon | Blackhex, sorry, kernel doesn't on image at all |
| 15:04.19 | max_posedon | e.g. you!! must flash kernel to nand yourself |
| 15:04.20 | lysgaard | PaulFertser: You know this: You know yesterday, i compiled the kernel. Where in the build dir is the .tar of modules located? |
| 15:04.29 | max_posedon | neo use different partions for rootfs and kernel |
| 15:05.30 | Blackhex | max_posedon: all right so I must flash SHR kernel to kernel altsetting with dfu-util with Qi? |
| 15:06.04 | Blackhex | I thought it boots from rootfs altsetting from /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin |
| 15:06.05 | max_posedon | not with Qi, but with u-boot |
| 15:06.12 | max_posedon | which can be booted from nand |
| 15:06.18 | max_posedon | not it isn't right |
| 15:06.30 | max_posedon | sorry, booted from nor |
| 15:06.35 | Blackhex | max_posedon: so you are telling that SHR is not compatibe with Qi? |
| 15:06.36 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: in the build dir, the only tar archive |
| 15:06.38 | max_posedon | AUX+power |
| 15:06.45 | max_posedon | Blackhex, compatible |
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| 15:06.55 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: to get module archive you need to supply the third (dummy) parameter |
| 15:06.59 | max_posedon | but with Qi you can't flash kernel) |
| 15:07.12 | lysgaard | PaulFertser: There is no .tar archive at all. Did #find . \*.tar. return nothing |
| 15:07.19 | max_posedon | so, flash kernel via u-boot to nand -a kernel |
| 15:07.25 | max_posedon | and then just start Qi |
| 15:07.35 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: tar.gz |
| 15:07.40 | max_posedon | it will boot your neo (for example I do so for shr-unstable) |
| 15:07.56 | lysgaard | PaulFertser: Nada |
| 15:08.05 | lysgaard | PaulFertser: I guess i missed the dummy param |
| 15:08.10 | Blackhex | max_posedon: ok, I'll try |
| 15:08.28 | methril|work | lysgaard: then rebuild with the modules |
| 15:08.48 | lysgaard | methril|work: What is the dummy param, how do I apply it? |
| 15:11.16 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: just do ./build gta02 dumym |
| 15:11.26 | lysgaard | ah, douh |
| 15:11.33 | PaulFertser | lysgaard: read the build script and you'll see everything yourself. |
| 15:12.01 | lysgaard | I think I'll take a look |
| 15:13.16 | Blackhex | methril|work: All right it's working now. This was just misunderstanding between us. If you've just said that Qi is not booting from rootfs but kernel partition of internal flash, I would know where is the problem. So thank you. |
| 15:15.12 | lysgaard | Well, now i got a .tar.gz =) |
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| 15:16.23 | sybren | Hi folks |
| 15:16.36 | sybren | I'm working on a Python module to easily read & control the Freerunner's accelerometers |
| 15:16.38 | lysgaard | Hoya |
| 15:17.11 | sybren | I know that different kernel versions have different sysfs paths, and that not all documentation of this is accurate |
| 15:17.55 | sybren | what would you guys think would be the best way to get my code tested on different distributions without me having to flash my Freerunner for every test? |
| 15:17.55 | max_posedon | sybren, what about taking care only about upstream version? |
| 15:18.16 | sybren | max_posedon: in that case: would I be upstream enough when I'm running SHR unstable? |
| 15:18.25 | max_posedon | ys |
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| 15:18.29 | max_posedon | *yes |
| 15:18.34 | sybren | good :) |
| 15:19.07 | sybren | what would be a good place to put the script + documentation? the OpenMoko wiki? SHR wiki? My own website? |
| 15:19.39 | max_posedon | in your git sources) |
| 15:19.49 | max_posedon | ah, sorry, on wiki |
| 15:20.06 | sybren | SHR? OM? |
| 15:20.09 | max_posedon | wiki.openmoko.org already have some docs about accelerometers |
| 15:20.34 | max_posedon | but you shoukd really think about what is goal for your project |
| 15:21.04 | sybren | ideally, to be The One Way of using the accelerometers with Python |
| 15:22.05 | max_posedon | hm.. e.g just lib? |
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| 15:22.30 | max_posedon | whould it be integrated with FSO? |
| 15:22.39 | max_posedon | why I'll should use your? |
| 15:23.16 | max_posedon | neo know many-many-many accelerometers apps, all of them just proof-of-concept |
| 15:23.27 | max_posedon | and nothing usable in reallif |
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| 15:27.04 | tig|1 | hi, I have just got my freerunner back from being buzzfixed but I am having problems with audio quality, running the latest version of SHR unstable |
| 15:27.11 | sybren | max_posedon: I've searched around for a Python module to interface with the accelerometers, and couldn't find any. So yeah, I just want to create a library for that. |
| 15:27.23 | sybren | tig|1: what kind of problems? |
| 15:27.24 | tig|1 | has something gone wrong or are other people hearing this? |
| 15:27.30 | tig|1 | crackly audio |
| 15:27.37 | tig|1 | both incoming and outgoing |
| 15:27.48 | max_posedon | sybren, for me, acceleromets is just input device |
| 15:28.04 | max_posedon | as programmer I want keypress events (X events) not any library |
| 15:28.34 | max_posedon | also, I can read data riggt now from tty, (very-very easy) |
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| 15:28.47 | max_posedon | how will your library help me? |
| 15:29.07 | sybren | tig|1: have you checked http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks#fixyourechoproblem ? it didn't really fix my echo problem, but it did improve audio quality |
| 15:29.08 | max_posedon | Don't understand me wrong, I don't want say anything bad about your project |
| 15:29.22 | sybren | max_posedon: I understand, you're just being critical, which is what I want you to be |
| 15:29.41 | tig|1 | sybren: aha! I will give it a try |
| 15:29.44 | sybren | it's too easy to make just another implementation that nobody's going to use - I don't want that |
| 15:29.46 | max_posedon | I just want you, to think about your project more, and we both don't want them to die fast. |
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| 15:30.12 | tig|1 | sybren: I did not try that as I kind of assumed that it would be in the images by now if it worked :) |
| 15:30.26 | lysgaard | sybren: What about integrating into FSO, dbus? |
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| 15:31.36 | sybren | lysgaard: sounds good, I have no idea about what kind of overhead dbus gives you when you want to use both accelerometers at a sampling rate of 100 Hz |
| 15:31.52 | lysgaard | sybren: Me neither =S |
| 15:32.01 | sybren | max_posedon: I've pasted a snippet at http://pastebin.com/m1ec6e5eb that shows you very basic usage of the Accelerometer class I wrote |
| 15:33.23 | sybren | the entire code is at http://stuvel.eu/~sybren/accel.py with a sample application at http://stuvel.eu/~sybren/spiritlevel.py |
| 15:33.49 | sybren | let me package the spiritlevel.py, it also needs some pngs |
| 15:34.22 | max_posedon | While true: update() |
| 15:34.26 | max_posedon | sorry, its a pita |
| 15:34.52 | max_posedon | and this is wrong with your class, application using it will make system slow. very |
| 15:35.23 | max_posedon | I think I'll prefer some async, interface |
| 15:35.37 | max_posedon | or synced with timer may be, I don't know |
| 15:35.47 | max_posedon | in high level I want X-events |
| 15:35.49 | sybren | http://stuvel.eu/~sybren/spiritlevel.tar.gz <-- packet example |
| 15:35.52 | sybren | packed* |
| 15:36.02 | max_posedon | like your multimedia keyboard |
| 15:36.11 | max_posedon | do for some special keys |
| 15:36.22 | sybren | sure, but those aren't used 100 times per second (are they?) |
| 15:36.47 | sybren | and then you still have to have some interface for setting the sampling rate and threshold values |
| 15:36.51 | max_posedon | do you know how much events your mounse produce during playing games? |
| 15:36.55 | max_posedon | *mouse* |
| 15:37.13 | sybren | good point |
| 15:37.20 | max_posedon | also, you mis understand me little bit |
| 15:37.32 | max_posedon | accelerometr generates a lot of events |
| 15:37.44 | max_posedon | but X-events will be 1-10 per second |
| 15:37.54 | max_posedon | look at guesters app as example |
| 15:38.11 | max_posedon | it accepts only "big" movement |
| 15:38.35 | max_posedon | and I'll be lucky to have such interface (in high-level) |
| 15:38.57 | sybren | I'm not impressed by the demo movie, it is horrenously slow in interpreting the gestures |
| 15:39.08 | max_posedon | yep. |
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| 15:39.49 | sybren | the spirit level app I wrote runs at about 25 FPS and is really responsive - that's the kind of thing I'd like |
| 15:40.17 | sybren | I agree that it would be great to have some SDL events for the accelerometers just like mouse events |
| 15:40.37 | max_posedon | you might be right, I'm might be wrong, but I still have my opinion) |
| 15:41.27 | sybren | max_posedon: and I appreciate your opinion ;-) |
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| 15:44.13 | lysgaard | Hm, usb host just won't work |
| 15:51.08 | sybren | max_posedon: maybe some misunderstanding about my class: you don't need to call its update() methods a hundred times a second, you just call it when you want to have an update of the acceleration |
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| 15:51.55 | max_posedon | problem is that I don't know how to handle diff correctly |
| 15:52.04 | sybren | diff? |
| 15:52.13 | lysgaard | Any of you guys have confirmed working usb _host_, I'm running out of steam on mine.. =/ |
| 15:52.17 | max_posedon | differenct between old and new data |
| 15:52.22 | sybren | lysgaard: not me |
| 15:52.35 | max_posedon | because for example I'm doing it every second |
| 15:52.49 | max_posedon | but sometimes get result for 1 second, sometimes for 2 |
| 15:53.16 | max_posedon | e.g. second data will be 2 times bigger |
| 15:53.32 | sybren | yeah, I noticed that too - smaller values for a higher frequency update, but still there appear to be jitters in the time parameters |
| 15:54.24 | max_posedon | acclerometer should return acceleration |
| 15:54.39 | max_posedon | dx, dy, dz don't very interested (for me) |
| 15:54.57 | sybren | well, overall_accell = sqrt(dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2) |
| 15:55.08 | max_posedon | (e.g. I want dx/dt, dy/dt, dz/dt) |
| 15:55.42 | sybren | what dx/dy/dz are you talking about? |
| 15:56.05 | sybren | in my spiritlevel.py? |
| 15:56.37 | max_posedon | sorry, I'm speaking in general, I don't get look at your examples, just "with one eye" |
| 15:57.13 | sybren | ok - in that case you don't want dx/dt either, but ddx/ddt ;-) |
| 15:57.26 | sybren | dx/dt = velocity in x-direction |
| 15:58.03 | max_posedon | yep, your right may be) |
| 15:58.08 | sybren | ;-) |
| 15:58.31 | lysgaard | sybren: Have you tried usb host? or don't you know if it's working? |
| 15:58.48 | sybren | sybren: I haven't tried it at all |
| 15:59.25 | sybren | lysgaard: but I could - I must have a mini-A to normal-B cable from my Zaurus C3000 laying around somewhere, would that work? |
| 16:00.20 | lysgaard | sybren: Worked for me before, but now there's something wrong, and i've litteraly tried everything |
| 16:00.32 | lysgaard | sybren: The cable should do the trick |
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| 16:02.42 | SpeedEvil | lysgaard: you've verifired the voltage on the connector? |
| 16:02.43 | SpeedEvil | 5V |
| 16:03.12 | lysgaard | SpeedEvil: Yeah, I can double check |
| 16:04.10 | lysgaard | SpeedEvil: Exactly 5v |
| 16:04.29 | sybren | lysgaard: the mini-A to normal-B cable doesn't fit |
| 16:04.40 | lysgaard | sybren: darn |
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| 16:05.52 | lysgaard | SpeedEvil: I'm running out of things to debug on my usb conn. Newest kernel, newest shr |
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| 16:28.34 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 16:31.02 | CooL_SPoT | :) hello |
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| 16:57.37 | ChristW | PaulFertser, are you there? |
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| 17:03.43 | Kyrah | hello, just a question, is the support for the neo1973 officially dropped? |
| 17:05.16 | Kyrah | i can't seem to find any recent firmwares for it. |
| 17:06.15 | max_posedon | hm... support by whome? |
| 17:06.31 | Weiss | there are still people actively working on support for it |
| 17:06.56 | Kyrah | as in, is there anybody still developping support for the neo1973 on the main code branch? |
| 17:07.22 | Kyrah | cause all the latest releases mention they can't be used on the 1973 |
| 17:07.24 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5254 10/trunk/gta02-core/STATUS: Werner did a GPS review. |
| 17:09.05 | Kyrah | ( and yeah my family STILL make fun of me because i've a cellphone i can't be called with U_U ) |
| 17:09.18 | max_posedon | Kyrah, what image do you use? |
| 17:09.23 | max_posedon | I suggest shr-unstable |
| 17:09.31 | Kyrah | lemme look |
| 17:09.42 | max_posedon | and there few people why try support kernel for neo1973 |
| 17:11.54 | Kyrah | sheesh battery is dry as usual -_- |
| 17:12.35 | Kyrah | i should try one of those? http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ |
| 17:13.10 | Kyrah | err well the GTA01 ones |
| 17:13.45 | max_posedon | om-gta01 |
| 17:14.27 | Kyrah | uImage-om-gta01-latest.bin? |
| 17:15.48 | Kyrah | and shr-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090623-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 those two should work? |
| 17:17.21 | max_posedon | yes |
| 17:18.14 | Kyrah | thanks :) |
| 17:18.24 | Kyrah | i will try those once the battery charged some |
| 17:21.14 | SpeedEvil | http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/on-hold-in-oldham-soulja-boys-wrong-number-1724187.html |
| 17:21.16 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 17:54.05 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5255 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ (STATUS ecn0024.txt): Add ECN0024 - Improve GPS ground and PCB layout |
| 17:55.10 | PaulFertser | ChristW: i am |
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| 18:40.25 | Digital-Pioneer | So is there any trick I can pull to make the phone STOP RINGING when I hit the reject button, instead of 5 seconds later? |
| 18:40.37 | Digital-Pioneer | Perhaps renicing something? |
| 18:43.11 | Blu3 | i'd be happy with it -answering- instead of continuing to ring then "answering" just as it ends. yesterday i got six calls and they were all lost because it took so long for the phone to react |
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| 20:10.35 | PierreN | hi |
| 20:10.44 | PierreN | can i ask question about SHR here please ? |
| 20:12.01 | max_posedon | sure |
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| 20:14.49 | PierreN | well i just installed shr testing and i can't suspend the phone ! when i touch the white top bar then the "X" nothings happend... |
| 20:15.14 | PaulFertser | PierreN: i don't think that shr testing is supported atm. |
| 20:15.35 | PierreN | huh few weeks ago it did no ? |
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| 20:17.05 | PaulFertser | PierreN: well, judge for yourself: testing is basically a snapshot of unstable. If you find some problem it's fixed in unstable, so you don't directly benefit from it anyway. |
| 20:17.38 | PierreN | hum |
| 20:18.31 | PaulFertser | PierreN: the very latest unstable build has some unsolved problems afaik so i'd recommend to find the one before that. |
| 20:19.14 | PaulFertser | PierreN: does mdbus command for suspending work? |
| 20:20.22 | PierreN | what is the mdbus command to suspend ? |
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| 20:22.28 | PierreN | PaulFertser: this one : http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090617-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 ? |
| 20:23.23 | PaulFertser | PierreN: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.Suspend |
| 20:23.26 | PaulFertser | PierreN: obviously |
| 20:23.48 | PaulFertser | PierreN: (url to the image) sorry i don't use SHR myself, wait for the answers of some guys who use. |
| 20:24.04 | PierreN | ok for the image |
| 20:24.08 | PierreN | mdbus work |
| 20:24.32 | PierreN | and recovering works fine |
| 20:24.48 | PierreN | so... the question is : how to bind this command to the button ? |
| 20:25.47 | PaulFertser | PierreN: ask in #openmoko-cdevel, i'm no E expert :) |
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| 20:27.18 | PierreN | hum just trying the last unstable version... |
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| 21:02.11 | PierreN | hum is it normal that i can't ssh the phone with SHR unstable ? |
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| 21:07.30 | slaxxer | if u use the 20090624 unstable then yes it is |
| 21:08.11 | slaxxer | 20090617 works by default |
| 21:08.55 | slaxxer | doc prolly knows what to fix on the latest though u might ask Doc |
| 21:09.05 | PierreN | slaxxer: 20090617 doesn's work here... |
| 21:09.20 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: unable to ssh is normal? |
| 21:09.25 | slaxxer | u have the very latest kernel |
| 21:09.32 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: can you check ifconfig output on fr? |
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| 21:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | muhaha, iran has counted his fake votes again. surprise, surprise: it's the same amount if fake votes as on first count |
| 21:09.53 | slaxxer | lololo |
| 21:10.00 | PierreN | hum even lsusb on the host doesn't show the device |
| 21:10.20 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: lol |
| 21:10.27 | slaxxer | ifconfig ?-a |
| 21:10.37 | PaulFertser | PierreN: probably you don't have some modules loaded? |
| 21:10.44 | PaulFertser | PierreN: check on FR if g_ether is loaded. |
| 21:11.11 | slaxxer | its eth2 here |
| 21:12.40 | PierreN | PaulFertser: huh lsmod on FR gives no result ?! |
| 21:12.54 | PaulFertser | PierreN: means you don't have kernel modules in your root filesystem. |
| 21:12.55 | slaxxer | when i first used the latest shr-unstable i had no usb ssh |
| 21:13.12 | PaulFertser | PierreN: probably mismatched kernel version. |
| 21:13.18 | PierreN | modprobe g_ether => "FATAL : Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.29-rc2/modules.dep: No such file or directory" |
| 21:13.21 | PaulFertser | PierreN: check what kernel you booted from where. |
| 21:13.31 | PaulFertser | PierreN: what gives ls /lib/modules ? |
| 21:13.31 | PierreN | ow ok |
| 21:13.44 | PaulFertser | PierreN: it's interesting to know which modules _are_ there. |
| 21:13.47 | PierreN | hum just installed wrong kernel sorry |
| 21:14.08 | slaxxer | unane ? |
| 21:14.29 | PierreN | what ? |
| 21:14.39 | slaxxer | nagnaga |
| 21:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: aphasic? |
| 21:15.40 | slaxxer | PierreN u still using the lates shr? |
| 21:15.48 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.39 | slaxxer | failure to maintain continuity to fingers |
| 21:18.25 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: alsa is really great, but nevertheless it SUUUUUCKS!!!! |
| 21:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 21:19.11 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: love-hate relationship? ;) |
| 21:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | and doc (huh WHAT?) sucks pumkins |
| 21:20.30 | DocScrutinizer | not even source comments on correct parameters ans semantics of such a simple thing like @func getenv |
| 21:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | >:-( |
| 21:20.38 | PierreN | slaxxer: yes uploading a new kernel |
| 21:21.15 | PaulFertser | "It can be argued that, due to the fact that the subjects love each other despite issues they have, a love hate relationship actually represents a stronger bond than a simple love relationship does. Also since a constant hatred is felt, any new issues which emerge are unlikely to put the relationship in jeopardy. However it is also true that real happiness may be attained from such a relationship as there would always be commitment and love for the |
| 21:21.21 | PaulFertser | ... other person as it existed even when the dislikes are known and accepted as part of relationship. This kind of relationship is also more likely to bring peace and contentment in life of those people." |
| 21:21.36 | slaxxer | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119820+4e418ad2a6bae9681a7863ab8f376ce47da3e33a-r3.5-om-gta02.bin |
| 21:21.50 | slaxxer | is that the correct kernel? |
| 21:22.28 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: looks like that |
| 21:22.58 | PierreN | slaxxer: *+5a6e* |
| 21:23.21 | DocScrutinizer | dreams of meeting some of those alsa wankers in a lonely dark forrest... NOT for any friendly act of love ;-) |
| 21:23.54 | slaxxer | ic |
| 21:24.39 | SpeedEvil | If an alsa developer is smacked in a forest, does it make any sound if the mixer is turned down? |
| 21:24.48 | slaxxer | tell me if it will ssh |
| 21:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | loool |
| 21:25.05 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: +++ |
| 21:25.13 | slaxxer | lots of noise |
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| 21:25.47 | SpeedEvil | And you could have developed a decent sound system anytime in the past decade, we'd have all thanked you. |
| 21:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: alsa isn't that bad. Actually it seems you can do amazing thing, IF ONLY THERE WERE DOCS |
| 21:27.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart doxygen |
| 21:27.46 | apt | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down doxygen's throat until doxygen puts on 150lbs |
| 21:29.31 | PierreN | hum now lsusb works, i can ifconfig eth4 up && ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:29.39 | PierreN | but i still can't ssh to it |
| 21:29.43 | PierreN | neither ping it |
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| 21:29.59 | slaxxer | oooo no |
| 21:30.39 | PaulFertser | PierreN: check if g_ether is loaded on FR |
| 21:30.44 | PierreN | hum spoke too fast it works thanks ^^ |
| 21:31.20 | DocScrutinizer | PierreN: route add |
| 21:31.30 | PaulFertser | PierreN: you see? |
| 21:32.20 | PierreN | yes i can ssh it |
| 21:32.22 | PaulFertser | Did everybody see that? And the moral is: do not blame distro when the problem is something else, especially when it's that simple. |
| 21:32.56 | PierreN | yeah my fault |
| 21:33.00 | slaxxer | ooooo well |
| 21:33.26 | DocScrutinizer | yes, always search the bug *in front of* monitor first ;-P |
| 21:34.22 | slaxxer | somebody learned something,, so its never a total loss |
| 21:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | nothing is a total loss, it's all just entropy |
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| 21:53.50 | PierreN | hum is this normal that at each opkg upgrade i seg fault ? |
| 21:56.51 | max_posedon | PierreN, its a pita, but yes |
| 21:56.51 | max_posedon | you need swap |
| 22:01.40 | PierreN | max_posedon: is there a web page on how to do this ? google doesn't help |
| 22:02.05 | SpeedEvil | PierreN: make a file of 64M or so. |
| 22:02.09 | Blu3 | and you need to increase max files in /proc/sys/sys/file-max |
| 22:02.16 | SpeedEvil | PierreN: then mkswap filename |
| 22:02.20 | SpeedEvil | then swapon filenamme |
| 22:02.52 | PierreN | ok |
| 22:03.08 | Blu3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | PierreN: or you upgrade every package separately. there's been a 2liner script somewhere on SHR-ML (pointer) |
| 22:09.28 | max_posedon | Blu3, really? I first time here about this |
| 22:09.29 | DocScrutinizer | PierreN: I consider this a much easier way to handle this nuisance, than to create swap etc |
| 22:11.06 | Blu3 | max_posedon, it fixed my inability to upgrade headers last week |
| 22:11.49 | PierreN | DocScrutinizer: yeah that's what i done for 2 packages (now upgrade seems to work fine) |
| 22:12.00 | Blu3 | doc, the thing i don't enjoy about doing each package on it's own is the ~20 hours it takes to upgrade if you have ~60 packages, like if the kernel and modules get updated |
| 22:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 22:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | never done yet |
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| 22:13.16 | max_posedon | neo educate his users |
| 22:13.45 | max_posedon | most of neo users know much more now, than before bying freerunner) |
| 22:14.29 | max_posedon | what about taking part in losing moneys from some EU-IT-Linux-Education branch for it?) |
| 22:15.42 | max_posedon | s/branch/grant |
| 22:15.43 | nio_ | So I was terribly stressed out today. Thought I lost my Freerunner in the train. |
| 22:15.44 | nio_ | Of course it turns out I left it at home.. |
| 22:15.44 | nio_ | Pfooey |
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| 22:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | oha, TV "next" to my door |
| 22:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | live |
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