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| 05:35.01 | PaulFertser | sybren: anything special about your system? Is it the latest shr unstable? |
| 05:35.19 | PaulFertser | sybren: is it only one file or it occures with any? |
| 05:36.29 | PaulFertser | sybren: can you tell me how to reproduce it here? |
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| 07:20.08 | social | hmm I wonder |
| 07:21.05 | social | is it mad enough to take moko on trip around the world? which distro would be most stable and least battery consuming while able to run gps from time to time? |
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| 08:33.17 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5226 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/INFO: componant info for ht110 |
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| 08:41.05 | sybren | PaulFertser: it occurred with every file, I'll see how/if I can reproduce it. The problem went away after killing some DSP-hogging process, but can't remember which one |
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| 08:54.35 | PaulFertser | sybren: DSP? |
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| 09:39.46 | PBeck | hi |
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| 10:07.11 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: Hey :) Can you please recommend me some good book, entertaining, easy to understand for a non-native speaker and with examples of good English at the same time? (preferrably the one i can easily download from somewhere) |
| 10:08.47 | SpeedEvil | always recommends 'The Art of Electronics'. |
| 10:09.02 | SpeedEvil | Which actually might fit, though can't be downloaded. |
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| 10:09.17 | SpeedEvil | well - legally |
| 10:10.17 | SpeedEvil | I can't think off-hand of anything, mainly as I am quite accepting of stylistically poor english. |
| 10:11.38 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i was hoping for some non-technical literature... |
| 10:12.00 | PaulFertser | (legality of downloading books doesn't bother me) |
| 10:13.04 | jonkristian | http://www.crazyontap.com/topic.php?TopicId=49725&Posts=8 |
| 10:13.07 | SpeedEvil | My problem is that though I read a lot (probably 5000-6000 books by now), I don't read for 'good english' - so I can't really recommend on that frontt. |
| 10:15.05 | SpeedEvil | And I don't know what you mean by good english anyway - I don't think your english is particularly worse than random english persons. |
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| 10:15.33 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5231 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/gta02-core.lib components/gta02_power.lib pmu.sch): new power symbol - FLASH_1v8 |
| 10:16.46 | SpeedEvil | As to generally good, funny english, Terry Pratchett is always worth a look. |
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| 10:18.21 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: just saw a girl in the subway yesterday reading one of his book in english. Must be a sign. |
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| 10:19.33 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5232 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (cpu.sch cpu_power.sch): Use FLASH_1v8 where we should. |
| 10:23.09 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5233 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (AUTHORS STATUS): status / authors update |
| 10:23.35 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i'd like to obtain more "gut feeling" for the language. To feel when a particular grammar construct is appropriate and when not, to extend my vocabulary, to be able to use the language to express my thoughts in a funny way when i desire etc. Or just to have a good laugh. Hm, that's an idea, i gotta find a place to download some book by Jerome K. Jerome. |
| 10:24.09 | SpeedEvil | For that, pratchett is good I'd say. |
| 10:24.43 | PaulFertser | Ok, thanks a lot for the advice :) |
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| 10:33.13 | PaulFertser | seem to be unable to find an easy way of downloading english e-books. For russian there're several well-known libraries with OCR'd books... |
| 10:34.40 | tobii_ | i need help. can somebody tell me the null of this function f(x)=-25/840x^3-240/840x^2+445/840x+3180/840 |
| 10:34.44 | tobii_ | *g* |
| 10:36.28 | SpeedEvil | 0=.... then subtract to move stuff over to the left, then simplify |
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| 10:39.29 | PaulFertser | tobii_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_function ? |
| 10:39.51 | PaulFertser | tobii_: Cardano method |
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| 10:45.58 | PaulFertser | tobii_: i think this is the solution with GNU Octave: http://paste.debian.net/40384/ |
| 10:48.02 | PaulFertser | tobii_: Octave \o/ |
| 10:48.22 | tobii_ | hehe |
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| 10:50.29 | tobii_ | i can't use it at the test |
| 10:50.30 | tobii_ | :( |
| 10:51.24 | PaulFertser | tobii_: can't you make a jabber bot somewhere and connect it to the octave prompt? ;) |
| 10:51.54 | PaulFertser | tobii_: anyway, Cardano's method works too :) |
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| 10:58.18 | sybren | PaulFertser: Digital Signal Processor, a.k.a. sound card |
| 10:59.22 | PaulFertser | tobii_: Also read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horner_scheme , comes quite useful in simple cases. |
| 10:59.33 | PaulFertser | sybren: DSP != sound card |
| 10:59.53 | PaulFertser | sybren: it'd be nice if you could reproduce the bug |
| 11:00.37 | sybren | PaulFertser: I'll reboot and see what happens |
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| 11:01.19 | PaulFertser | sybren: s/you/I/ |
| 11:02.39 | sybren | PaulFertser: I'll see if I can reproduce the bug first, then see if I can let you reproduce it ;-) |
| 11:03.10 | PaulFertser | tobii_: enough maths for today? |
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| 11:03.55 | tobii_ | PaulFertser: now i try to understand Regular falsi |
| 11:03.57 | tobii_ | :/ |
| 11:06.29 | PaulFertser | tobii_: do you need to prove some hard stuff about it? |
| 11:07.23 | PaulFertser | tobii_: like efficiency or computational complexity or that it works if the numbers are rounded (that is, suitable for implementation on digital computers)? |
| 11:08.39 | tobii_ | i need it for my mathtest at monday |
| 11:08.40 | tobii_ | :( |
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| 11:30.17 | sybren | PaulFertser: after a reboot "aplay /usr/share/sounds/GONG.wav" works just fine. After suspend/resume it doesn't. I then get "Playing WAVE 'GONG.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono |
| 11:30.36 | PaulFertser | tobii_: if you're not that good at maths, probably you're good at guessing. Where's my portable music player? I had the player in my hands a week ago but couldn't find a special cable. Now i have cable but lack the player :-/ |
| 11:30.46 | sybren | PaulFertser: followed by "Suspended. Trying resume. Done." and a cursor on the next line - no sound and no shell prompt |
| 11:31.09 | PaulFertser | sybren: ok, i'll try that. Probably not today, gtg soon :-/ |
| 11:31.12 | sybren | PaulFertser: and aplay is abortable by ^C |
| 11:32.03 | sybren | PaulFertser: great, thanks. I get audio capabilities back when killing sd_espeak and sd_flite |
| 11:32.40 | PaulFertser | sybren: what's that? I think i don't have anything like that here, so for me it won't be reproducible. |
| 11:33.00 | sybren | PaulFertser: I think I'm experiencing http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1599 |
| 11:33.01 | PaulFertser | sybren: navit sound speech daemon or smth? |
| 11:33.26 | sybren | PaulFertser: it came with the navit dependencies |
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| 11:36.26 | PaulFertser | sybren: i've no idea what speech dispatcher does and how it affects that. Does it use hardware alsa PCM device or dmix? |
| 11:37.48 | sybren | PaulFertser: no idea - but lsof shows that both processes open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p and /dev/snd/timer |
| 11:38.29 | PaulFertser | sybren: it doesn't tell me much, unfortunately. Please check what alsa device is used by SD and how that is configurable. |
| 11:38.30 | sybren | PaulFertser: and while they're running "aplay -D plughw:0,0 somefile.wav" gives me "aplay: main:546: audio open error: Device or resource busy" |
| 11:39.40 | PaulFertser | sybren: i think for a good co-existance alsa apps should use dmix virtual device, not plughw:0,0 |
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| 11:41.11 | sybren | PaulFertser: ok, I'll dive into the config files for SD and see if I can let the modules use dmix instead. Is there anywhere where I should post the diffs when I have a working version? |
| 11:42.16 | PaulFertser | sybren: i think that would be maintainers of navit package. Also i'd posted to the community mailing list along with your experience of using navit (what works, what doesn't, what cards do you use etc). |
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| 11:44.16 | sybren | PaulFertser: I'll join their mailing list then. |
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| 11:56.09 | sybren | PaulFertser: running /etc/init.d/speech-dispatcher stop on suspend and "... start" on resume works as a workaround ;-) |
| 11:56.48 | PaulFertser | sybren: heh, i'm glad you found it :) Probably if you don't use it you can disable it altogether. |
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| 11:57.17 | sybren | PaulFertser: well, I would like to use it for navit, at some point |
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| 12:14.24 | dos1 | sybren: navit doesn't need speech-dispatcher... |
| 12:14.30 | dos1 | more, by default navit doesn't use speech-dispatcher |
| 12:14.44 | dos1 | and speech can work without speech-dispatcher |
| 12:14.50 | dos1 | even commented examples in navit config use speech without speech-dispatcher |
| 12:14.51 | sybren | dos1: that's strange - why is it a dependency then? |
| 12:15.16 | dos1 | so you can safely remove it |
| 12:15.32 | dos1 | (opkg remove -force-depends speech-dispatcher) |
| 12:16.09 | sybren | dos1: do you know what would be the advantage of speech-dispatcher? |
| 12:16.25 | dos1 | sybren: dunno. it should be removed. |
| 12:17.02 | dos1 | sybren: coexisting few apps which use text to speech? |
| 12:17.17 | dos1 | maybe |
| 12:18.06 | dos1 | or integrating few voice engines into one interface |
| 12:18.10 | sybren | dos1: at least with speech-dispatcher I can find where to configure which alsa device espeek is going to use ;-) |
| 12:18.36 | dos1 | but i don't think we need it on freerunner |
| 12:19.13 | dos1 | sybren: with navit i'm using espeak writing to stdout and piping it to aplay - :P |
| 12:19.32 | dos1 | which is the fastest i've seen |
| 12:20.09 | dos1 | and with aplay you can configure which alsa device to use ;) |
| 12:20.39 | sybren | dos1: what is the fastest you've seen? |
| 12:22.49 | dos1 | sybren: the fastest way to use espeak :P |
| 12:23.05 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2568477541bb 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/subsystem.vala: libfsoframework: canonicalize dbus object name before registering |
| 12:23.07 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4f2dadf05064 10/fsousaged/TODO: fsousaged: update TODO |
| 12:23.09 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r50db6d2d7bdd 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: |
| 12:23.09 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: kernel26_leds: register dbus objects by name, not by incremental counter |
| 12:23.09 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Eventually we will get the incremental counter back, not now though since |
| 12:23.11 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: registering an object under multiple paths does not work w/ dbus-glib atm. |
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| 12:25.20 | dos1 | (about delays) |
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| 12:27.08 | sybren | A completely different question: is it possbile to import VCF files in shm-contacts (running SHM unstable) |
| 12:27.12 | sybren | ? |
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| 12:38.54 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: HHGG |
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| 12:39.36 | SpeedEvil | No! Don't give him colour scheme ideas! |
| 12:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
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| 12:45.44 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i've already bought a paper version of that, but it's too big and heavy to carry with me :D |
| 12:45.54 | agg1n | where can i get libpurple-protocol-icq 2.5.5 or newer for shr-u? |
| 12:46.30 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: duh, thought you live in Russia, home of the warez-servers |
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| 12:47.34 | agg1n | in shr feeds is 2.5.3 which doesnt work |
| 12:47.49 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i do :) But i won't be reading anything from small FR's screen when i have a good properly typeset paper version :) |
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| 12:52.14 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r347cd249be9a 10/fsousaged/ (TODO src/plugins/controller/plugin.vala): fsousaged: send org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceChanged() |
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| 13:40.02 | xqo | Hi! |
| 13:40.44 | xqo | I am on the latest unstable release of SHR, and i am having trouble using eth0. The device is not found |
| 13:41.06 | lindi- | xqo: lsmod|grep g_ether? |
| 13:41.29 | lindi- | xqo: ah sorry, eth0 is wlan |
| 13:41.37 | xqo | g_ether 39860 0 |
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| 13:45.01 | xqo | am i missing something? It's a fresh install, the images were uploaded to http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ on June 24. |
| 13:46.46 | PaulFertser | xqo: shr-unstable build is triggered manually |
| 13:47.13 | PaulFertser | xqo: as to the wlan, you need to request WiFi resource first, then it appears. |
| 13:47.29 | xqo | how do i do that? |
| 13:47.43 | PaulFertser | xqo: since you're using shr, you can use shr settings for that |
| 13:49.33 | xqo | oh, wicked |
| 13:49.34 | xqo | thanks |
| 13:50.00 | PaulFertser | xqo: what's wicked? |
| 13:50.44 | xqo | think of it as "awesome!", "great!", or "nice!" |
| 13:51.08 | xqo | Although the original meaning of the word is "evil" or "bad". |
| 13:51.40 | PaulFertser | Yeah, http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Awicked doesn't suggest anything near the meaning you used ;) |
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| 13:52.03 | xqo | :-)) |
| 13:52.06 | xqo | oh yes, |
| 13:52.17 | xqo | the Messages-application crashes whenever i try to open it |
| 13:52.29 | PaulFertser | xqo: wait for the sim to get ready first |
| 13:52.44 | xqo | oh yeah, it does say SOS Only.. |
| 13:53.04 | xqo | is there some way to try to restart the gsm-connection? |
| 13:53.22 | PaulFertser | xqo: shr settings have a switch to disable/enable gsm afaik |
| 13:53.47 | PaulFertser | xqo: btw, if you don't use the latest GSM firmware, upgrade! |
| 13:54.15 | xqo | How do i check? |
| 13:54.58 | xqo | i have flashed my freerunner to the June 24. kernel and rootfs, also the latest release of Qi. other than that i have done nothing |
| 13:56.50 | PaulFertser | xqo: flash GSM firmware per instructions at OM wiki GSM/Flashing. Until you do that, i'd recommend to not complain about any GSM issues. |
| 14:00.02 | xqo | okidoki, thank you |
| 14:00.13 | xqo | is there any other firmware that should be upgraded aswell as GSM? |
| 14:00.42 | xqo | i have never touched the firmware, so my phone should be pretty much like they are sold |
| 14:01.28 | xqo | what is uSD? |
| 14:02.30 | SpeedEvil | microSD |
| 14:02.43 | SpeedEvil | you can't upgrade any of the other firmware |
| 14:02.46 | PaulFertser | xqo: (other firmware) unfortunately, not. We'd like to see an update of WiFi firmware but it doesn't exist and we don't know a way to flash. And bluetooth chip firmware is in ROM. |
| 14:03.00 | xqo | okay |
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| 14:14.33 | xqo | PaulFertser: Do i need to toggle the WiFI Radio on/off every time i boot? |
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| 14:24.21 | PaulFertser | xqo: no idea, probably yes. You can ask dos1 to implement a permanent switch if it's not already there. |
| 14:25.36 | PaulFertser | xqo: or just add one mdbus call to your startup script (set resource policy to enabled). |
| 14:26.35 | xqo | <PaulFertser> xqo: or just add one mdbus call to your startup script (set resource policy to enabled). |
| 14:26.58 | xqo | i dont know how to do this, do you know any good links? |
| 14:28.23 | PaulFertser | xqo: just type mdbus -s and you'll get the idea. Also read API documentation at docs.freesmartphone.org |
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| 14:29.08 | xqo | okidoki, thank you |
| 14:31.50 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r6ca83f00f8a6 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/Makefile.am: fsoframework: fix EXTRA_DIST |
| 14:31.52 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9c26aa8cb2d9 10/fsodeviced/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsodeviced: inquire physical path and capabilities for every input node |
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| 14:49.10 | xqo | to flash GSM i need a package named task-base-smbfs according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#uSD-card_Image_.28GTA02_only.29, where can i find this? |
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| 15:30.45 | DocScrutinizer | xqo: why would you think you need that package? |
| 15:30.55 | xqo | the wiki-page says so |
| 15:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe for the "create uSD without using your desktop PC" part |
| 15:31.56 | DocScrutinizer | is this what you need to do? |
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| 15:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | xqo: for standard way (create uSD on your desktop/laptop PC) you don't need any package at all |
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| 15:33.19 | xqo_ | oh sorry |
| 15:33.33 | xqo_ | it says so in the "if you dont have an sd-card reader..."-part |
| 15:33.49 | xqo_ | I dont have one, so ill try that method |
| 15:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly what I expected |
| 15:34.21 | xqo_ | i think ive found it |
| 15:34.43 | xqo_ | waiting for the file to finish moving to the card from my pc |
| 15:35.07 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no support for this method here. I recommend to get a usb-uSD reader dongle for your desktop, which is ~4$ |
| 15:35.35 | xqo_ | but now ive stumbled across another problem |
| 15:36.20 | xqo_ | i am trying to install http://www.opkg.org/packages/nethack_3.4.3-10.1-0.4_armv4t.ipk, but whenever i try, opkg holds for a couple of seconds, tells me: Terminated. then quits |
| 15:37.25 | SpeedEvil | add swap |
| 15:37.30 | SpeedEvil | you're possibly out of RAM |
| 15:37.42 | SpeedEvil | Or I'm not paying attention again, and am making a silly comment |
| 15:38.10 | SpeedEvil | ####@&#### |
| 15:38.28 | xqo_ | alright ill try that,thanks |
| 15:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sounds reasonable ;-) |
| 15:46.10 | DocScrutinizer | has anybody ever tested if those metal-coated (violet transparent) plasticbags used to ESD-package electric components possibly make a nice RF-shielding to "enclose" GSM? |
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| 15:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | i.e does a cellphone lose GSM when placed in such a bag? |
| 15:47.59 | DocScrutinizer | of course assuming you tightly close the bag with cellphone inside |
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| 15:49.21 | arkarin | can anyone tell me, which is the best distibtuion for running gps (geocaching), i do not have to be able to do some calls, the biggest point for me is to get a working gps at this moment.. |
| 15:49.45 | rhaeder | paroli does a good job here :) |
| 15:50.13 | rhaeder | but it is a very solid system and you need to change the profile in Settings->display to the next one |
| 15:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | shr works quite nice for gps as well |
| 15:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | both in shr-settings-gps and with apps like tangogps (tested here) |
| 15:51.42 | arkarin | paroli with om2009 ? |
| 15:51.53 | DocScrutinizer | SHR-unstable comes with tangoGPS preinstalled |
| 15:52.28 | DocScrutinizer | arkarin: so I'd say it works for your usecase "out of the box" |
| 15:52.39 | arkarin | great |
| 15:52.48 | arkarin | so i will first give shr a try :) |
| 15:54.06 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: they don't |
| 15:54.13 | DocScrutinizer | arkarin: very first fix for GPS after installing SHR might take a while, and even might need a second boot and "delete AGPS data" in settings |
| 15:54.15 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: though I haven't tried it. |
| 15:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | arkarin: after that it works like a charm |
| 15:54.53 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: essentially every ntistatic thing has a carefully controlled resistance, so not to make things worse - in the range of hundreds of K to ten M or so per square |
| 15:55.14 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ack |
| 15:55.28 | SpeedEvil | several layers of aluminium foil should work fine |
| 15:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: not that easy to watch the screen then, though |
| 15:56.38 | SpeedEvil | Place in front of your head, get someone to wrap you and phone in foil. |
| 15:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 16:08.30 | pieterc | hi |
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| 16:11.57 | Q-Master | Hi All! |
| 16:18.00 | pieterc | hi |
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| 16:27.09 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07framework * r41092c2b0cfd 10/framework/subsystems/otimed/alarm.py: otimed.alarm: Fix a little typo. Clears the timer properly |
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| 16:32.34 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5235 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (5 files in 2 dirs): add debug connector, more CPU parts to I/O sheet. Not yet complete. |
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| 17:29.06 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 17:33.46 | Blu3 | 'lo |
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| 17:36.02 | asia | hi. who boring is in room his?? |
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| 17:36.34 | asia | i have empty room |
| 17:36.46 | asia | but i have a bud xD |
| 17:36.58 | asia | eeeeee |
| 17:37.06 | asia | i want talk with somebody |
| 17:37.15 | asia | because i am in cementary |
| 17:37.25 | asia | elementary |
| 17:37.30 | asia | loo-ol |
| 17:37.43 | asia | why nobody is in room his?? |
| 17:38.03 | asia | eeee. somebody is know mean what i??\ |
| 17:38.11 | asia | i dont english know |
| 17:38.13 | asia | because |
| 17:38.15 | asia | im poland |
| 17:38.20 | asia | and |
| 17:38.22 | asia | sweden |
| 17:38.26 | asia | and i dont know |
| 17:38.30 | asia | what country |
| 17:38.31 | asia | i am |
| 17:39.09 | DocScrutinizer | asia: I suggest you shut down computer and find a guy/gal next room to share your bud with |
| 17:39.25 | asia | why?? |
| 17:39.31 | asia | im stupid for uyou?? |
| 17:39.35 | asia | i have flu |
| 17:39.36 | asia | and |
| 17:39.41 | asia | okey |
| 17:39.44 | asia | i shut |
| 17:39.45 | asia | down |
| 17:39.47 | asia | my |
| 17:39.48 | asia | but |
| 17:39.51 | asia | no computer |
| 17:39.55 | asia | but okey |
| 17:40.01 | asia | i dont know what i mean |
| 17:40.04 | asia | bye bye |
| 17:40.11 | doc|home | stabs himself in the eyes |
| 17:40.11 | asia | i find a friend |
| 17:42.34 | asia | oops, sorry for him. he drunk too much and he found my computer :/ sorry again |
| 17:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | asia: take his cellphone and send a "quit"-SMS to his GF (so he has any) ;-) This way he might learn |
| 17:51.42 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * r5cde6575777c 10/fsotimed/src/ (bin/main.vala plugins/alarm/plugin.vala): Initial implementation of set_alarm and clear_alarm completed |
| 17:53.21 | pieterc | asia: ssh root@friend, rm -rf / |
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| 17:57.45 | sabrod | Hello! :) |
| 17:59.28 | pieterc | hi |
| 17:59.46 | sabrod | ( I openned the nokia 3220 accelerometers optional board, there is a led controler, and so much stuff in it... ) |
| 18:00.08 | SpeedEvil | so? |
| 18:00.15 | SpeedEvil | what are you trying to do? |
| 18:00.19 | sabrod | http://picasaweb.google.com/frederi1/Accelerometer# |
| 18:00.19 | sabrod | No way I will upgrade my neo1973 with this :( |
| 18:00.25 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:00.33 | SpeedEvil | there are I2C accels, which are perfect |
| 18:00.54 | sabrod | Hehe, I was suggested to do, I would never have had te idea!! :) |
| 18:01.01 | SpeedEvil | digikey.com |
| 18:01.12 | SpeedEvil | look for I2C triaxial accellerometers. |
| 18:01.30 | sabrod | Ok... but still a lot too much complicated for my benefits... imo... |
| 18:01.48 | sabrod | Ok, maybe simpler to do ;) |
| 18:01.53 | SpeedEvil | it's basically a teeny bit of soldering, and some coding. |
| 18:03.49 | sabrod | Hehe... this could be cool! |
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| 18:12.37 | pieterc | anyone knows which app added categories to the illume launcher? |
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| 18:16.28 | lindi- | PaulFertser: > ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x01 dlen 1 L2CAP(d): cid 0x0041 len 14 [psm 3] RFCOMM(d): UIH: cr 0 dlci 2 pf 1 ilen 9 fcs 0x5c credits 2 0000: 41 54 2b 42 54 52 48 3f 0d AT+BTRH?. |
| 18:16.39 | lindi- | PaulFertser: any idea which one here is the rfcomm channel number? |
| 18:18.55 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i guess it is 1, sudo test/hstest record a.wav 00:02:76:d0:d6:f9 1 manages to connect |
| 18:19.31 | lindi- | PaulFertser: 'Voice setting: 0x0060 RFCOMM channel connected SCO audio channel connected (handle 45, mtu 64) AT+BRSF=24' however it does not seem to record anything |
| 18:20.14 | pieterc | Just reveived my contract of my student job in my mailbox |
| 18:20.16 | pieterc | in .doc |
| 18:20.20 | pieterc | -kills himself- |
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| 18:48.43 | pieterc | HM... I noticed something weired |
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| 18:48.59 | pieterc | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/b1c18698e1f14ca237b05ea1cceb4a95.png |
| 18:49.12 | pieterc | the illume bar appears 2 times |
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| 18:51.12 | Q-Master | pieterc: is launcher updating now? I have some old version |
| 18:52.01 | pieterc | i got 0.21 i think |
| 18:52.06 | pieterc | so i guess yes |
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| 18:54.21 | Q-Master | pieterc: from where? |
| 18:54.32 | pieterc | opkg.org |
| 18:54.44 | pieterc | package 220 i think |
| 18:54.45 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0b3d3f98ae75 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:54.45 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: kernel_input: Allow skipping individual input objects by product Id substring or by physical Path substring. |
| 18:54.45 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Example1: If you want to skip the accelerometers in the GTA02, add to [fsodevice.kernel_input]: |
| 18:54.46 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: ignore_by_id = lis302 |
| 18:54.48 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Example2: If you want to skip all USB input devices, add to [fsodevice.kernel_input]: |
| 18:54.50 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: ignore_by_path = usb |
| 18:55.01 | Q-Master | hm |
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| 19:07.01 | Q-Master | pieterc: how do you start it? in shr unstable it says "uncher: error while loading shared libraries: libelementary.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 19:09.05 | pieterc | I use shr-unstable and i remember a problem like that, let me think ;) |
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| 19:11.27 | pieterc | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f1958 |
| 19:11.30 | pieterc | check this topic |
| 19:12.28 | pieterc | I think it's a version problem |
| 19:12.37 | pieterc | or you should link something |
| 19:13.39 | pieterc | ln -s libelementary-ver-svn-02.so.0.5.0 libelementary.so.0 |
| 19:13.56 | pieterc | then it should work |
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| 19:19.28 | Q-Master | I've made a number of sucha linkd |
| 19:19.30 | Q-Master | -d+s |
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| 19:19.43 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r69589203e300 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fsodeviced: kernel_idle: honor 'ignore_by_id' and 'ignore_by_path' as well |
| 19:21.27 | pieterc | does it work now Q-Master ? |
| 19:21.52 | Q-Master | yep, but no icons on the wb |
| 19:22.08 | pieterc | check configure |
| 19:22.12 | pieterc | you should add them manually |
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| 19:22.37 | pieterc | or Edit Cat |
| 19:22.49 | pieterc | i found out there is a 0.22 version |
| 19:23.07 | pieterc | http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3034171/launcher_0.22_arm.ipk |
| 19:24.52 | Q-Master | is it possible to scroll through a categories when adding a file to them? |
| 19:25.26 | pieterc | what do you mean? |
| 19:26.11 | Q-Master | just don't really understand how to play with it |
| 19:26.38 | pieterc | you've added some apps to categories? |
| 19:27.28 | Q-Master | trying to |
| 19:27.47 | Q-Master | I have more categories then could be listed on screen |
| 19:28.01 | pieterc | scroll left and right on it |
| 19:28.10 | pieterc | or what ever |
| 19:28.12 | pieterc | but i got to go |
| 19:30.02 | pieterc | bye! |
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| 19:47.40 | PaulFertser | lindi-: are you trying recording on FR |
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| 19:50.29 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r95262abe2fbb 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/fso_actions.py: oeventsd: fix syntax error in actions; don't bail out, if opreferences is not existing |
| 19:54.39 | plhardy | Hi |
| 19:55.27 | plhardy | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing is missing one information about usd : this one should be compatiblie with normal boot , mine is 4Gb and works well but i doesn't in that specific case, i had to use another 1Gb |
| 19:56.06 | plhardy | ie it boot only with Qi not with NOR-boot |
| 19:58.20 | lindi- | PaulFertser: yep |
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| 20:11.17 | PaulFertser | lindi-: are sure you did the switch in eeprom? |
| 20:15.51 | lindi- | PaulFertser: I added a printf() after the write |
| 20:16.03 | lindi- | PaulFertser: so i'm pretty confident that the line you pasted was executed |
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| 20:18.01 | PaulFertser | lindi-: so, does it show SCO: HCI now? have you powercycled the chip? |
| 20:18.37 | lindi- | PaulFertser: ah sorry, i did not powercycle |
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| 20:21.37 | lindi- | PaulFertser: can't test now, i'm running a test to see how long the headset battery lasts |
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| 20:25.49 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i _like_ your testing experiments |
| 20:26.53 | lindi- | PaulFertser: well I have not figured out a way to ask the headset for the battery charge level so I need to have some sort of way to estimate when it is going to be empty |
| 20:27.06 | lindi- | i think there's a command to ask this over the rfcomm protocol |
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| 20:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: honestly? Never seen that |
| 20:42.23 | lindi- | DocScrutinizer: i'm just guessing since I saw the text batchg |
| 20:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | yo, sounds promising |
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| 22:00.43 | beniwtv | hmm... I haven't heard anything in a long time wrt the ReMoko application. Anyone knows if it's working on OM2009? |
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| 22:12.58 | arkarin | I've just installed shr-unstable can anyone tell me how to start using gps now? |
| 22:15.35 | sybren | arkarin: I installed Navit and some maps from OpenStreetMap |
| 22:16.08 | arkarin | and you did not had to configure anything ? |
| 22:16.13 | sybren | heh yeah I did |
| 22:16.36 | sybren | 'mkdir ~/.navit; cp /usr/share/navit/navit.xml ~/.navit', then edit ~/.navit/navit.xml |
| 22:16.54 | sybren | at least you have to store some maps, and let Navit know where you stored them |
| 22:17.47 | arkarin | ok, but no gps configuration ? |
| 22:18.27 | sybren | nope. you can configure a GPS source per vehicle type, but the default just works out of the box. With the GPS daemon in SHR unstable you don't even have to turn the GPS on/off, it happens automagically |
| 22:18.52 | sybren | there is a bug, though, in one of the navit dependencies. If you do "opkg remove -force-depends speech-dispatcher" it's solved. |
| 22:21.16 | arkarin | great ! thanks for this help |
| 22:21.17 | sybren | you're welcome - I'm writing a bug report for Navit about speech-dispatcher as we speak |
| 22:22.58 | sybren | arkarin: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/393 ;-) |
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| 22:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | arkarin: it's highly annoying I tried two times to answer your PM-query wrt GPS, and always you logged out immediately after posting your request for help |
| 22:30.58 | SpeedEvil | memoserv! (in theory) |
| 22:32.19 | arkarin | DocScrutinizer: oh I am so sry about this, of course it wasn't my wish to do so but I had to shut down my pc... So I realy like to thank you for your effort to help me ! |
| 22:38.55 | DocScrutinizer | arkarin: well, finally a low-effort c&p repost did it. HTH ;-) |
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| 22:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: maybe you want to add to your ticket #393: "ESD and OSS strongly deprecated (at least on FR). Using alsa audio devices, or (deprecated) use aoss wrapper for OSS-style /dev/dsp audio is madatory"output |
| 22:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: maybe you want to add to your ticket #393: "ESD and OSS strongly deprecated (at least on FR). Using alsa audio devices, or (deprecated) use aoss wrapper for OSS-style /dev/dsp audio output is madatory" |
| 22:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea how prev line got messed up :-/ |
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| 22:51.26 | sybren | DocScrutinizer: no worries, people have done worse things to me than repeating a friendly suggestion ;-) |
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| 22:52.48 | sybren | DocScrutinizer: do you have a URL? There are so many tockets #393 in the world |
| 22:53.40 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-06-28 00:20:22] <sybren> you're welcome - I'm writing a bug report for Navit about speech-dispatcher as we speak |
| 22:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-06-28 00:22:58] <sybren> arkarin: http://trac.navit-project.org/ticket/393 ;-) |
| 22:53.43 | DocScrutinizer | [ |
| 22:54.37 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: so I understod it's been "your" ticket, no? |
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| 22:57.00 | sybren | DocScrutinizer: yup |
| 22:57.53 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: the problem is (AFAIK) navit is using speech-dispatcher (ESD, enlightenment sound daemon) which in turn uses /dev/dsp and never even closes it. Thus all audio on FR is blocked as /dev/dsp exclusively allocates the D/A-converter |
| 22:59.58 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: ALSA recommended way to handle this kind of sharing audio-resource is by dmix-plugin. Dmix does almost same thing speech-dispatcher/ESD is supposed to do, though in a way conforming to a ALSA based system |
| 23:00.00 | sybren | DocScrutinizer: I don't know about /dev/dsp, but the processes I wrote about have /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p and /dev/snd/timer open |
| 23:00.20 | sybren | DocScrutinizer: I've reconfigured speech-dispatcher to use plug:dmix, but to no avail |
| 23:00.34 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p is ALSA aequivalent to /dev/dsp |
| 23:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: plug:dmix should work, though you actually could use "default" as it's mapped to dmix on FR |
| 23:02.08 | sybren | DocScrutinizer: it works for playing audio, but using it doesn't solve this bug |
| 23:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: anyway your approach is correct. If it doesn't work, we need to tweak it a little ;-) |
| 23:02.42 | sybren | if it doesn't work, it needs fixing :) |
| 23:03.02 | sybren | I've just uninstalled speech-dispatcher by force, and used espeak directly. Works like a charm |
| 23:03.06 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: maybe the /dev/snd/timer is the problem then |
| 23:04.38 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: (just uninstalled...) It might have problems only to show up if e.g a ringtone tries to start while navit is concurently outputing sth to audio device |
| 23:05.25 | sybren | DocScrutinizer: I've used a small shell script that lets espeak output to stdout, then aplay to play its stdin to plug:dmix |
| 23:05.35 | sybren | DocScrutinizer: that should work properly, right? |
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| 23:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: and omitting "-D plug:dmix" for aplay doesn't work? |
| 23:06.47 | sybren | DocScrutinizer: it does, but when writing the script I didn't know that dmix was the default anyway ;-) |
| 23:07.36 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: anyway you know a lot more about nature of the bug and how to correctly fix it, than you wrote on #393 ;-D |
| 23:08.00 | sybren | I do? |
| 23:08.21 | sybren | well, I did add some details to a comment |
| 23:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | sure, pipe to aplay is the correct fix to this issue |
| 23:08.55 | sybren | I tried configuring the pipe in the navit.xml file, but that crashed Navit :( |
| 23:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: I dunno nuttin about navit. sorry |
| 23:09.19 | sybren | I haven't tried yet with output on a terminal though, so I wouldn't know the error message |
| 23:09.38 | sybren | perhaps I'll post another ticket about that then |
| 23:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | And I should add another small remark about recommended way to do audio, to the wiki |
| 23:10.38 | sybren | ;-) |
| 23:16.59 | sybren | DocScrutinizer: the pipe now works, I made the mistake of inserting "%s" twice in the command line ("%s" is replaced by the text to say) |
| 23:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | aah. fine then |
| 23:18.05 | sybren | DocScrutinizer: do you know anything about shr-contacts? |
| 23:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | very few |
| 23:18.48 | sybren | I'm looking for a way to import my contact list, preferrably by importing a VCF file |
| 23:19.33 | SeligArk1n | Into what front-end. ;) |
| 23:19.49 | SeligArk1n | There is a patch for zhone if I recall correctly |
| 23:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | there's no VCF support recently, despite all my nagging (dos1 always says "doc, write a backend!" ;-P ) |
| 23:20.39 | sybren | SeligArk1n: any contact frontend that's usable - as long as I can select a name to call/SMS, and see the name of who's calling/called, I'm happy |
| 23:21.02 | SeligArk1n | I decided I will just write my own front-end, it'll probably never be done. >.> |
| 23:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | anyway opimd has a csv-backend, and it should be rather simple to write a VCF->csv converter script |
| 23:21.13 | sybren | DocScrutinizer: there are options for SIM or sqlite backends for the contacts in SHM - I was hoping that I could import my contact list into that |
| 23:21.23 | sybren | preferrably sqlite |
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| 23:22.16 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: there's csv backend as well. so you should be able to somehow transfer csv-contacts to sql-backend |
| 23:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | SeligArk1n: Hi, long time no see :) |
| 23:22.43 | sybren | DocScrutinizer: do you know how? Or where to find the files those backends store their data into? |
| 23:22.56 | SeligArk1n | hey doc, been off exploring other areas of the internet |
| 23:23.22 | DocScrutinizer | sybren: I suggest to /join #openmoko-cdevel and ask dos1 |
| 23:23.32 | sybren | fair enough, will do |
| 23:23.58 | sybren | DocScrutinizer: if he were online ;-) |
| 23:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, maybe later on. Though there might be others around savvy to answer your questions |
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