| 00:09.42 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5204 10/trunk/gta02-core/bt.sch: Initial commit of Bluetooth and WLAN schematics |
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| 01:12.33 | tim_abell | anyone fancy giving me a hand? bluetooth keyboard... paired and connected, keypress events show up in hcidump, but don't make it to xev or evtest. any ideas what to look for? I've come a long way but am currently a bit stumped, |
| 01:12.58 | tim_abell | my notes so far are at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard#Om2009 |
| 01:17.41 | tim_abell | hcidump for a single keypress http://pastebin.ca/1473582 |
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| 01:29.15 | tim_abell | well, i say they show up. the hcidump is a bit of a mystery to me |
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| 01:47.41 | tim_abell | i'll post a message to the mailing list instead seeing as it's all quiet in here |
| 01:50.26 | d1b | tim_abell: i couldn't use btscanner :( |
| 01:50.46 | tim_abell | btscanner? |
| 01:52.03 | tim_abell | just asked the guys at #bluez-users and "vcgnomes" said that my dump looks like a success |
| 01:52.23 | tim_abell | which means the keystrokes are getting no further for some reason |
| 01:52.25 | tim_abell | damn |
| 01:52.35 | tim_abell | i have no idea where to look now |
| 01:55.25 | tim_abell | 2009.06.25 02:55:14.183 frameworkd.kobject DEBUG Received kobject notification: 'remove@/class/bluetooth/hci0/hci0:43\x00ACTION=remove\x00DEVPATH=/class/bluetooth/hci0/hci0:43\x00SUBSYSTEM=bluetooth\x00DEVTYPE=link\x00PHYSDEVPATH=/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0\x00PHYSDEVBUS=usb\x00PHYSDEVDRIVER=btusb\x00SEQNUM=986\x00' |
| 01:55.49 | tim_abell | 2009.06.25 02:55:16.885 frameworkd.kobject DEBUG Received kobject notification: 'add@/class/bluetooth/hci0/hci0:42\x00ACTION=add\x00DEVPATH=/class/bluetooth/hci0/hci0:42\x00SUBSYSTEM=bluetooth\x00DEVTYPE=link\x00PHYSDEVPATH=/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0\x00PHYSDEVBUS=usb\x00PHYSDEVDRIVER=btusb\x00SEQNUM=987\x00' |
| 01:55.49 | tim_abell | 2009.06.25 02:55:17.38 odeviced.idlenotifier DEBUG active = False |
| 01:55.59 | tim_abell | not sure what that's all about but doesn't seem to help |
| 01:56.12 | tim_abell | wonders what else to look at |
| 01:59.47 | tim_abell | anyone know how bluetooth key events get to X and what debug tools i could use? |
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| 05:10.10 | fredrin | Zorkman: are you smuggeling drugs from Holland to Netherlands? ref. openbmap and twitter :) hehe |
| 05:10.29 | fredrin | gud mårning gais |
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| 05:51.41 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03Duncanla * r5205 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (docs/ecn/ecn0016.txt io.sch lcm.sch): |
| 05:51.41 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Initial LCM schematic created. |
| 05:51.41 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Initial IO schematic created. |
| 05:51.41 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Updated ecn0016 to reflect changes to IO schem. |
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| 06:58.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5206 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 06:58.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: Minor logistics: |
| 06:58.37 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - added new sheets to STATUS and AUTHORS |
| 06:58.38 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - added "varistor" and FILTER to components/INFO, mainly to keep references to |
| 06:58.38 | CIA-47 | openmoko: the data sheets |
| 06:58.38 | CIA-47 | openmoko: - checked in previously forgotten expanded/Makefile (convenience targets "gv" |
| 06:58.42 | CIA-47 | openmoko: and "xpdf") |
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| 08:11.01 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5207 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/series: fix-eeschema-libs.patch has made it upstream. We're now at r1837 |
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| 08:40.45 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5208 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (fix-r1837-build.patch series): r1837 has a bewildering number of build issues. tentative fix. |
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| 09:33.19 | Psi_ | hm.. is there a way to get the shr keyboard to work in landscape, or is that not coded yet. |
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| 09:35.50 | Q-Master | Psi_: ? |
| 09:36.18 | Psi_ | when i change the lcd to landscape the keyboard stays where it is, which is below the bottom of the screen |
| 09:36.25 | Psi_ | (gta01, shr-unstable) |
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| 10:01.25 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5209 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (8 files): Added sheet name in 200 mil bold text to each sheet. |
| 10:04.18 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5210 10/trunk/gta02-core/gta02-core.sch: include lcm.sch in gta02-core.sch overview |
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| 10:32.14 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5211 10/trunk/gta02-core/bt.sch: use descriptive lables for BT/WLAN 2-wire co-existence |
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| 10:35.18 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03daveb * r5212 10/trunk/gta02-core/lcm.sch: add subsystem label to LCM sheet |
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| 10:52.31 | sybren | Hi folks |
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| 11:08.29 | sybren | I've just installed om2009 on my freerunner, and trying to do "opkg upgrade" |
| 11:08.36 | sybren | however, I get segmentation faults: |
| 11:08.36 | sybren | opkg: fork failed |
| 11:08.37 | sybren | Segmentation fault |
| 11:09.26 | max_posedon | yes, known bug, add swap |
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| 11:16.39 | fredrin|cel | is using the neo at the beach |
| 11:17.49 | fredrin|cel | life is good |
| 11:18.25 | sybren | max_posedon: thanks |
| 11:18.47 | fredrin|cel | using gprs and calling at the same time |
| 11:19.02 | fredrin|cel | :D |
| 11:24.35 | fredrin|cel | shr unstable rocks |
| 11:24.54 | sybren | :) |
| 11:25.01 | mjr | whee |
| 11:25.16 | sybren | fredrin|cel: how does it cope with wifi? I just tried SHR testing and Mofi often just hang |
| 11:27.14 | fredrin|cel | i am fare away from wifi |
| 11:29.22 | SpeedEvil | gprs and calling - I understood that to be impossible. Or do you mean GPRS - with GPRS pausing when on a call |
| 11:29.34 | fredrin|cel | but i had it working some days ago with high ping |
| 11:29.49 | mjr | yeah I took it to mean gprs being paused during call |
| 11:30.04 | mjr | afaik also no actual data transfer during calls |
| 11:30.10 | fredrin|cel | both at the same time |
| 11:30.14 | SpeedEvil | odd. |
| 11:30.29 | SpeedEvil | but nice. |
| 11:30.43 | fredrin|cel | i think |
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| 11:34.25 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer should GPRS always pause when on a call - fredrin seems to have seen otherwise. |
| 11:34.49 | SpeedEvil | But (s)he may be confused. |
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| 11:36.41 | dos1 | i think it's technicaly impossible to transfer GPRS data during call |
| 11:37.15 | SpeedEvil | Me too, but I'd love to be wrong :) |
| 11:37.29 | ndnihil | heh, mine wont even ring with gprs in use |
| 11:37.32 | ndnihil | just tested |
| 11:38.55 | ndnihil | hrm |
| 11:39.06 | dos1 | ndnihil: hmm? that's bug then |
| 11:39.17 | ndnihil | wont ring when actively used (running ping), will ring when enabled but not being actively used |
| 11:39.22 | dos1 | ndnihil: here it works, just GPRS is paused during call |
| 11:39.33 | ndnihil | can't reach out when on a call |
| 11:39.40 | dos1 | ndnihil: oh. then that's normal |
| 11:39.50 | dos1 | gsm limitations |
| 11:42.23 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r70d4c8e8bbb6 10fso-monitord/src/device.vala: Ported missing FSO.Device to fso-glib |
| 11:42.24 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r699970f4ea69 10fso-monitord/src/framework.vala: Add member DBus.Object for Framework |
| 11:42.29 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * rbd11051dc5bf 10fso-monitord/src/ (gsm.vala monitor.vala): |
| 11:42.32 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Ported FSO.GSM.* to fso-glib |
| 11:42.34 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: Removed FSO.GSM.Phone because it is not in the specs |
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| 12:31.31 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r713c316c3a21 10fso-monitord/src/preferences.vala: Ported FSO.Preferences to fso-glib |
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| 12:31.33 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * rd97ee25ece44 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Removed unused object from System |
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| 12:43.00 | jessycatz | hey! do you know why I get this really we~ird error trying to boot my fr? (I'm running shr-unstable) http://bit.ly/48w8R |
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| 12:53.20 | saracen | Heads up: If any of you are sending your openmoko back for the buzz fix, don't use Royal Mail =(. I think mines been stolen. I said it wasn't a mobile phone, as apparently you can only get something like 30 pound compensation, rather than 300. -- Now it looks like I might have to prove it that it isn't a mobile, otherwise I'm really out of pocket =( |
| 12:56.38 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 12:57.50 | saracen | I have until the 30th until I can say it's totally missing =( |
| 12:58.48 | saracen | Annoying, I wanted full tracking. When I got to the post office, they said they didnt do it. got home and checked the website again, the full tracking option was no longer there. So, it got delivered to Germany (I ordered mine from Golden Delicious) and then it vanished ;x |
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| 13:22.19 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r0726464e611b 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimd_contacts.py pimd_messages.py): opimd: don't fail when some queried field is not string |
| 13:22.20 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r17bfe66c068f 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: rename GetMessageURI to GetMessagePath and GetMessageURIs to GetMessagePaths |
| 13:24.17 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07specs * rc83d98283868 10/org.freesmartphone.PIM/org.freesmartphone.PIM.Message.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.PIM.Message: fix annotations in Delete and Update methods |
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| 13:40.47 | sybren | On http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/397 I read that Mofi is deprecated and going to be replaced soon. What will it be replaced by ? |
| 13:42.10 | max_posedon | with some connman frontend as I know, may be implemented as part of shr-settings |
| 13:42.25 | sybren | is the replacement already in shr-unstable? |
| 13:43.04 | max_posedon | no |
| 13:43.46 | dos1 | sybren: but you can use it |
| 13:43.52 | sybren | dos1: nice, how? |
| 13:44.23 | dos1 | sybren: it sits here: http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-settings.git;a=blob;f=playground/wifiman.py;h=380fd0c525e64f8a873fda189a6753a70fa931cd;hb=HEAD |
| 13:44.30 | dos1 | just download, install connman and plugins, and use it |
| 13:45.00 | dos1 | but it doesn't handle default routes sometimes |
| 13:45.10 | sybren | what do you mean with "sometimes"? |
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| 13:45.49 | max_posedon | dos1, wow, where this file should be saved? |
| 13:46.07 | dos1 | max_posedon: where you want |
| 13:46.16 | dos1 | sybren: just sometimes |
| 13:46.24 | max_posedon | e.g. its stand-alone program? |
| 13:46.42 | dos1 | sybren: under some condition it handles, under some - not. that's connman and interfaces configuration issue |
| 13:46.49 | dos1 | sybren: but we're working on it |
| 13:46.56 | dos1 | max_posedon: yep, right now it's stand-alone |
| 13:47.15 | sybren | dos1: what would be required in order to use it from the touch screen? |
| 13:47.41 | dos1 | you can write desktop file for it |
| 13:47.54 | dos1 | but firstly test, if it works for you ;P |
| 13:48.00 | sybren | heh good one |
| 13:48.20 | sybren | how safe is it to do a "opkg update; opkg upgrade" on a freerunner right now? |
| 13:52.46 | max_posedon | dos1, is it just works? e.g. should I or shoudn't enable wifi in settings? |
| 13:53.15 | dos1 | max_posedon: you should enable wifi in shr-settings, but i'll change that later |
| 13:53.25 | dos1 | now working on opimd ;) |
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| 13:54.41 | max_posedon | btw, shr-setting have bug |
| 13:54.57 | max_posedon | when I during enabling wifi, move "wifi" from off to on |
| 13:55.05 | max_posedon | it returns to off place automatically |
| 13:55.18 | max_posedon | then I quit and start "connectivity" once more |
| 13:55.26 | max_posedon | after this I see that wifi is on |
| 13:56.47 | max_posedon | we have wifi device! |
| 13:56.51 | max_posedon | Our device: /device/0012cf8eef5f |
| 13:56.55 | max_posedon | scan failed |
| 13:57.06 | max_posedon | but, iwlist scan find some networks |
| 13:58.11 | max_posedon | connman-plugin-wifi - 0.19+gitr1299+40b63388060128580c3dafe814d7e195d3fbce5a-r0 installed |
| 13:59.17 | max_posedon | dos1, have you any idea about this issue? |
| 13:59.50 | dos1 | max_posedon: run it again |
| 13:59.55 | dos1 | sometimes happens to me too |
| 14:00.18 | dos1 | if still doesn't work, reboot and try again |
| 14:00.24 | dos1 | there are some ugly kernel bugs |
| 14:00.35 | max_posedon | 10/10 fails |
| 14:00.39 | max_posedon | but iwlist scan works |
| 14:02.14 | dos1 | hmm |
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| 14:13.35 | [Rui] | new elmdentica, now with bubbles... comin'up next... perhaps icons... |
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| 14:23.35 | Arigead | tig|1: Couple of weeks if I remember correctly. Bit longer then I'd have like but I'm happy and it's better then no fix |
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| 15:13.33 | guysoft422 | hey, Zorkman , here? |
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| 15:26.12 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: new modems do concurrent GPRS afaik |
| 15:27.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: why should it be impossible? we have a time-slize multiple access technology on GSM |
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| 15:33.29 | SpeedEvil | s/impossible/impossible on the calypso with the firmware we have/ |
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| 15:40.44 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 15:41.02 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 15:57.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | though we might want to test it. I don't remember any datasheet statement saying it does *not* work with calypso |
| 16:00.16 | SpeedEvil | Has anyone tested 3G? :) |
| 16:02.07 | mjr | I seem to recall some TI public specs saying it's class b, but of course it might be overcomeable with firmware, which we won't |
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| 16:09.48 | dcordes | somebody seen a similar shaped phone before? http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/samsung-beat-dj-hands-on/ |
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| 16:49.16 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:51.03 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5213 10/trunk/gta02-core/audio.sch: |
| 17:51.03 | CIA-47 | openmoko: added Ref to C4111 and C4110 |
| 17:51.03 | CIA-47 | openmoko: mirrored some components that Ref is on top, Value under the symbol |
| 17:51.03 | CIA-47 | openmoko: added NC flag to unconnected pins |
| 17:51.03 | CIA-47 | openmoko: fixed speaker polarity |
| 17:51.04 | CIA-47 | openmoko: added common mode choke in stereo path |
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| 18:29.54 | Digital-Pioneer | How do I use connman? I see it in the repos, and I've started the daemon, but how do I USE it? |
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| 18:34.39 | mwester | connman is one of those "newfangled" modern-type applications. It doesn't have old, outdated things like silly command line utilities. Nope, for connman, like other modern, way cool applications, you just encode dbus messages all by yourself, and send them to it. |
| 18:34.44 | mwester | Sigh. |
| 18:35.12 | mwester | There is a debug set of python scripts that get installed with connman, those are the closest it comes to any type of UI. |
| 18:37.12 | Digital_Pioneer | mwester: Cool... So how do I use it? :P |
| 18:37.35 | mwester | you install a distro where somebody has coded a GUI interface for it. |
| 18:37.56 | Digital_Pioneer | :| IC. |
| 18:38.00 | mwester | It's the new way. Write an application, without any UI at all of any sort, and call it done. Then wait for somebody *else* to do the work. |
| 18:38.10 | mwester | Bluez did that as well. |
| 18:38.13 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL |
| 18:39.01 | Blu3 | :/ |
| 18:39.12 | mwester | I rather like the new way. I have a large rock from my garden here -- it is the world's fastest, most modern crytographic processor. The fact that you can't make it do anything is not my fault -- you just don't know the correct dbus calls! |
| 18:39.49 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL |
| 18:39.55 | mwester | Digital_Pioneer, I believe that SHR has an app that can drive connman. |
| 18:40.16 | mwester | You'll have to ask on the shr ml, or perhaps just check the ml archive or the shr wiki. |
| 18:40.17 | Digital_Pioneer | I use SHR, but IDK what app. I see some stuff in the wiki about wifiman.py but I have no idea where to get it. |
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| 19:32.28 | yabo | hello, I am looking for the smallest linux live-cd around (ie the fastest download). I only need it for flashing my Freerunner, so a graphical desktop-environment is not necessary. A friend suggested Gentoo |
| 19:34.09 | max_posedon1 | yep, its small(~60mb) and have all what you need |
| 19:34.25 | max_posedon1 | even gcc for compiling dfu-util |
| 19:35.45 | yabo | okidoki, thank you |
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| 19:37.45 | yabo | also, there are so many new distributions since i last checked in. Which do you recommend? I am looking for GSM-functionality, wifi (are there any stable drivers yet?), and a terminal.. |
| 19:38.30 | max_posedon1 | shr-unstable |
| 19:38.49 | max_posedon1 | and update it every week |
| 19:39.14 | max_posedon1 | its most interesting upstream for me now |
| 19:40.05 | yabo | Very well, SHR it is, thanks. |
| 19:40.36 | yabo | what about those wireless-drivers? |
| 19:40.48 | yabo | does wifi still drop out at random? |
| 19:42.09 | max_posedon1 | I never had problems with wifi |
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| 19:42.43 | max_posedon1 | and once I did big test - 48h without any problems |
| 19:43.14 | yabo | wow, how long ago? |
| 19:43.44 | Blu3 | wifi is reliable. i use it constantly |
| 19:43.50 | SpeedEvil | wifi is broken for some. |
| 19:43.59 | Blu3 | agreed |
| 19:44.08 | SpeedEvil | It's apparantly firmware incompatability with some routers |
| 19:44.20 | Blu3 | i strongly suspect that |
| 19:45.38 | max_posedon1 | yabo, in may on fsoshrcon |
| 19:45.54 | max_posedon1 | all 3 dags i use neo wifi nonstop |
| 19:46.01 | yabo | huh, cool |
| 19:46.34 | max_posedon1 | ok, it was one stop for buzzfix |
| 19:46.49 | max_posedon1 | but really no problems for me |
| 19:47.22 | yabo | wifi is REALLY unstable for me, i am on 2008.9 i think, Build Host is Barbie |
| 19:47.45 | Blu3 | goodness, 2008.9 is archaic :? |
| 19:48.29 | max_posedon1 | 2008.9... yabo may be you also saw dinasours?)) |
| 19:48.33 | SM2k | there used to be a time in this world when "last year's model" was as good as new. :-) |
| 19:48.33 | yabo | :-D |
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| 19:54.47 | yabo | um' |
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| 19:55.01 | yabo | i havent touched my bootloaders ever, should i do something about that? |
| 19:55.10 | yabo | just read something about Qi |
| 19:56.26 | lindi- | Blu3: ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up breaks wifi for everyone |
| 19:56.43 | Blu3 | really? |
| 19:56.51 | Blu3 | hmm, i'll have to check on that |
| 19:57.07 | Blu3 | i know that rmmod ar6000 will break things for me |
| 19:59.12 | yabo | so, Qi or U-Boot? |
| 19:59.39 | PaulFertser | yabo: Qi ftw |
| 19:59.41 | PaulFertser | :D |
| 20:00.04 | lindi- | yabo: depends on who you ask :) |
| 20:00.20 | lindi- | yabo: and what you want to do |
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| 20:01.41 | Blu3 | i'm happy with uboot |
| 20:01.51 | yabo | what does u-boot do better than Qi? |
| 20:02.13 | max_posedon | yabo, don't ask such religion questions) |
| 20:02.30 | mwester | :) |
| 20:02.35 | lindi- | yabo: you can have a list of a kernels and kernel parameters and can choose those on bootup |
| 20:04.08 | Blu3 | i've no idea. i've never used qi |
| 20:05.46 | PaulFertser | yabo: Qi is faster in booting and probably in suspend/resume. Qi always does the same thing, you can't screw it's environment because it doesn't have any. |
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| 20:06.26 | yabo | fair enough. I have never needed functionality like changing kernel-parameters, so if Qi is faster, perhaps i would be better off with it? |
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| 20:08.06 | PaulFertser | yabo: i guess so. Also afaict Qi is more maintained than u-boot. At least i'm one of those who's interested in fixing Qi bugs as soon as they're found. |
| 20:08.36 | yabo | cool, thanks |
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| 20:24.40 | yabo | to enter NOR you hold AUX before and while holding power. and to enter u-boot you hold power, then hold AUX+power. right? |
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| 20:33.45 | PaulFertser | yabo: (the second) to enter NAND u-boot menu |
| 20:35.20 | yabo | right, thanks |
| 20:35.29 | yabo | then i am off to try flashing |
| 20:35.36 | yabo | bbs (i hope9 |
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| 20:41.50 | rhaeder | hi. is there a feed available for packages on www.opkg.org ? |
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| 20:53.10 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re9d65eede53c 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: alsa_audio: throw INVALID_PARAMETER instead of INVALID_SCENARIO |
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| 20:55.29 | yabo | um |
| 20:55.42 | yabo | how do i mount my USB-stick on gentoo live? |
| 20:55.54 | yabo | it doesnt show up in fdisk -l |
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| 20:57.46 | PaulFertser | yabo: fdisk -l for what device? |
| 20:58.31 | yabo | ...how do you change device? :p |
| 20:58.38 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, usually its all) |
| 20:59.08 | max_posedon | yabo, may be your usb-stick haven't partition table? |
| 20:59.25 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i'd no idea it works like that :D |
| 21:00.01 | yabo | shrug, i just need to access the usb-stick to use dfu-util |
| 21:00.16 | max_posedon | see dmesg |
| 21:00.52 | yabo | ((I'm not a veeery advanced linux-user)) |
| 21:02.54 | yabo | i tried to mount /dev/sdb1, and got mount: you must specify a filesystem-type |
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| 21:03.17 | yabo | how do i do that? i reckon it is FAT32, since it is a USB-stick you always can remove safely |
| 21:03.36 | PaulFertser | yabo: look at dmesg first |
| 21:03.48 | PaulFertser | yabo: after that it's obvious what you're to do. |
| 21:04.03 | viq | And assumption that you can always remove safely usb sticks AFAIK is incorrect |
| 21:04.19 | PaulFertser | viq: even when it's not mounted? why? |
| 21:04.58 | viq | Well, when it's not mounted then sure. But you need to unmount it, or under windows 'safely remove; |
| 21:05.14 | yabo | only if it is NTFS, viq |
| 21:05.28 | yabo | its safe as long as the stick is using fat |
| 21:05.46 | PaulFertser | viq: who removes devices before unmounting? |
| 21:06.00 | PaulFertser | yabo: no. Removing mounted devices is unsafe. |
| 21:07.15 | viq | PaulFertser: see? ;) |
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| 21:08.25 | yabo | all is well. found another disk in fstab -l, and mounted with -t vfat |
| 21:12.23 | PaulFertser | viq: i wonder how that idea could have crippled in |
| 21:14.31 | viq | "It's USB, it's just like my mouse" |
| 21:14.31 | PaulFertser | Hm, looks like i'm always using some wrong words :-/ |
| 21:14.34 | PaulFertser | And grammar |
| 21:14.53 | lindi- | PaulFertser: now the bluetooth headset can be pinged but I can not turn it off anymore :) |
| 21:15.10 | PaulFertser | lindi-: that's the headset's problem now ;) |
| 21:16.14 | PaulFertser | viq: this logic is obviously flawed. "This external scsi hdd is scsi like my scaner, so i can pull it off at any moment". nonsense |
| 21:19.04 | PaulFertser | wonders why lindi- doesn't want to just try to use his headset with FSO as per wiki instructions... |
| 21:19.24 | Blu3 | even if it's FAT, you can only safely "randomly" remove it when it's mounted synchronously and there's no drive activity |
| 21:19.28 | lindi- | PaulFertser: fso would break my gsm :( |
| 21:19.37 | PaulFertser | lindi-: how? |
| 21:19.52 | lindi- | PaulFertser: since i'd need to stop ogsmd to configure some other part of frameworkd? |
| 21:20.18 | PaulFertser | lindi-: do you know you're not supposed to get audio on your headset connected to FR if you transfer it via USB HCI? |
| 21:20.30 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i want to first get this work with my laptop |
| 21:21.39 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it'd be interesting to know how did you test that headset with FR you were talking about. The one that lacked sound. |
| 21:21.55 | lindi- | PaulFertser: with bluez4? |
| 21:22.09 | PaulFertser | lindi-: because if you tried to feed it SCO samples over HCI without any tweaking you're doomed to have exactly what you describe. |
| 21:25.23 | lindi- | PaulFertser: 1) sudo /usr/share/doc/bluez/examples/simple-agent hci0 00:02:76:D0:D6:F9 2) arecord -D bt_hw -f S16_LE | hd => arecord blocks but does not print anything but wav header |
| 21:26.17 | viq | PaulFertser: I know it. You know it. The unwashed masses don't :P |
| 21:27.35 | PaulFertser | lindi-: CSR chip is configured to send and receive audio streams on PCM hardware interface by default. You can't access it that way. |
| 21:28.27 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i need some specific alsa settings and then I could use arecord? |
| 21:28.53 | lindi- | PaulFertser: or figure out how to reconfigure that CSR chip? |
| 21:30.12 | PaulFertser | lindi-: the second |
| 21:30.40 | lindi- | PaulFertser: any code on that? |
| 21:31.05 | PaulFertser | lindi-: due to the lack of motivation i got by with this crude hack: http://paste.debian.net/40289/ |
| 21:31.46 | PaulFertser | lindi-: (the setting is stored in CSR's eeprom but you need to power-cycle the module for the change to take effect) |
| 21:32.05 | lindi- | PaulFertser: so this will make it possible to use arecord? |
| 21:32.20 | lindi- | PaulFertser: but I need to change this settings if I want to use it with GSM? |
| 21:33.23 | PaulFertser | lindi-: (use arecord) if your headset is compatible, then probably yes. OTOH i'd try with hstest utility from test directory of bluez4 sources to make testing more reliable (read alsa-issues independent). |
| 21:33.46 | SpeedEvil | On a slightly related topic - has anyone succeeded in playing music over A2DP? |
| 21:34.21 | PaulFertser | lindi-: (change back the setting) strictly speaking, no. Just before using SCO you need to send CSR a special command to route the next stream over PCM. Not hard (probably trivial) to implement but i don't know if anybody tried. |
| 21:34.46 | PaulFertser | lindi-: what can i say for sure is that i could stream music via SCO to a compatible headset after that eeprom hack. |
| 21:34.50 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: yes, many people. |
| 21:34.57 | SpeedEvil | K - not been tracking |
| 21:34.59 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: there're some performance issues. |
| 21:35.13 | SpeedEvil | I've mislaid my A2DP charger, which is annoying. |
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| 21:35.48 | PaulFertser | (probably something need to be optimised/pre-rendered for encoding A2DP data but otherwise it should be ok and some people are already using it afaik) |
| 21:36.17 | Ar|stote|is | is there anyway to check if my AUX button is working? |
| 21:36.25 | Ar|stote|is | i have FDOM right now |
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| 21:36.36 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: i'd suggest input-events from input-utils |
| 21:36.38 | SpeedEvil | hexdump /dev/inputn |
| 21:36.45 | SpeedEvil | I think input4 |
| 21:37.19 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: yes, good advice. Easier than mine :) |
| 21:37.32 | SpeedEvil | hexdump -c /dev... |
| 21:37.38 | SpeedEvil | even aligns the records right |
| 21:37.47 | PaulFertser | cat /dev/input/event4 works for me |
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| 21:38.05 | Ar|stote|is | and how am i supposed to check that? |
| 21:38.28 | Ar|stote|is | the problem is that i cant get on the BOOT menu to flash my device. |
| 21:38.29 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: cat /dev/input/event4 then press aux several times |
| 21:38.50 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: have you ever dropped the device? |
| 21:39.35 | Ar|stote|is | yes it fell down once and i am afraid it damaged the device since i don't even have sound now |
| 21:40.06 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: you can flash the device from a running system with nand_eraseall + nandwrite |
| 21:41.23 | Ar|stote|is | is there a page on the wiki about that preferably under mac os ? |
| 21:41.46 | PaulFertser | lindi-: if you want to know more about SCO routing, corresponding commands and eeprom settings, read http://case.cs.mnsu.edu/NSM%20Technology/141_HCI%20Implementation%20on%20BlueCore%20(AN107d).pdf |
| 21:41.55 | Ar|stote|is | and have there been reported problems with the aux button after dropping the device or any other problems about that? |
| 21:41.58 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: gta02 is running GNU/Linux |
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| 21:42.33 | lindi- | PaulFertser: if this works we really should write a tool to do it so that people don't need to patch their software :P |
| 21:42.41 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: yes, AUX button soldering joint is weak. According to rumors, the fix (of the joint, if button itself is ok) is trivial. |
| 21:43.19 | PaulFertser | lindi-: EEPROM setting works for sure. Probably even some tool exists but i couldn't understand where to find it or found it but couldn't understand how to use :D |
| 21:43.39 | Ar|stote|is | i know but atm i can't access a linux box to experiment with it. |
| 21:43.51 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: can you boot your FR? |
| 21:44.07 | Ar|stote|is | yeah everything works fine |
| 21:44.12 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: you can flash the device from a running system with nand_eraseall + nandwrite |
| 21:44.26 | Ar|stote|is | ok ill read the pdf and try that |
| 21:44.50 | Ar|stote|is | about the fix for AUX button does it involve opening the device and soldering it again ? |
| 21:44.56 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: the pdf? The link i posted is about bluetooth SCO routing, unrelated to your problems. |
| 21:45.02 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: yes |
| 21:45.14 | Ar|stote|is | i thought it was about me. |
| 21:45.48 | Ar|stote|is | so is there a page on the wiki about using that nand_eraseall + nandwrite ? |
| 21:46.09 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: please report your findings about your AUX button! Especially if the button itself is damaged and how easy is the fix. |
| 21:46.30 | Ar|stote|is | i will over the weekend. |
| 21:46.47 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Alternative:_using_nandwrite |
| 21:46.58 | lindi- | PaulFertser: connection-less connections are an interesting concept :) |
| 21:47.29 | PaulFertser | lindi-: :) |
| 21:47.44 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: but i don't think you can flash rootfs if you run from NAND. |
| 21:48.08 | Ar|stote|is | Thanks again. I'll check it out and ask if anything else comes up. |
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| 21:48.21 | Ar|stote|is | i can't access NOR flash either |
| 21:48.40 | Ar|stote|is | i guess i should try to fix my aux button first |
| 21:49.19 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: or boot from SD |
| 21:50.06 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: or boot from NAND and kexec a kernel asking it to use SD as rootfs. |
| 21:50.27 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: or boot from NAND and use some pivot_root (as initramfs does) stuff. |
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| 21:51.12 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: or boot from NAND, flash Qi as bootloader and boot from SD (i'd prefer this way as the most simple and natural). |
| 21:51.16 | lindi- | PaulFertser: initramfs does not use pivot_root |
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| 21:51.52 | lindi- | PaulFertser: (for quite some time) |
| 21:52.21 | PaulFertser | lindi-: yes, mount --move . /; chroot . |
| 21:52.39 | PaulFertser | lindi-: but it doesn't change the idea. |
| 21:52.45 | lindi- | PaulFertser: true |
| 21:52.53 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i'd go Qi way for sure. |
| 21:53.02 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i don't understand why they did not make bluetooth just a transport protocol. why does it need to know about audio and stuff |
| 21:53.31 | Ar|stote|is | ok my AUX button doesn't work (cat /dev/input/event4 doesnt output anything). So how do i boot to either NAND or NOR if my AUX button doesn't work? Or do i try and fix my AUX first and then mess with the rest? |
| 21:53.35 | PaulFertser | Gotta sleep, guys :( See you tomorrow. |
| 21:54.02 | yabo | hi, I installed the vista-drivers earlier before flashing, and now after flashing the device appears as RNDIS gadget #2. I installed the drivers, but vista reports code 10 (the device wont start). what am i doing wrong/missing? |
| 21:54.09 | PaulFertser | Ar|stote|is: you can boot to your NAND rootfs (you said it's working). Then you flash Qi for bootloader. Then you prepare SD and Qi will happily boot from that. |
| 21:54.25 | PaulFertser | yabo: using vista? :P |
| 21:55.07 | yabo | I'm not at home, which is one of the reasons i found my old freerunner |
| 21:55.16 | yabo | either way, halp! :| |
| 21:56.06 | yabo | oh wait, " NOTE: On first boot after flashing, USB networking can not work." |
| 22:00.32 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5214 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:00.32 | CIA-47 | openmoko: updated ECN0022 and ECN0010, chaged status to discuss |
| 22:00.32 | CIA-47 | openmoko: moved R4116/R4117 behind R4407/R4405 |
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| 22:13.47 | yabo | gaaah |
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| 22:14.40 | yabo | did anyone have problems getting their freerunner connected with USB after flashing to SHR? I am told my device wont start |
| 22:14.58 | SpeedEvil | the USB0/eth3 thing? |
| 22:15.15 | SpeedEvil | is your FR now perhaps showin up as a ethernet, not a usb device? |
| 22:16.10 | yabo | no, i am trying to install the drivers (on vista), but i get code 10: the device wont start when i try |
| 22:16.20 | SpeedEvil | k, no idea, sorry |
| 22:16.46 | max_posedon | vista?! nice joke) |
| 22:18.19 | yabo | it worked just fine before i flashed to SHR |
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| 22:20.46 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03werner * r5215 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/ecn/ecn0022.txt: ecn0022.txt: added ECN number in ECN0015 reference and corrected title |
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| 22:33.16 | yabo | oh yeah |
| 22:33.31 | yabo | so i am trying to fix, the echo-issue with http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1486414%7Ca1518726 |
| 22:34.24 | yabo | devchannel.enqueue = ( "+CPAS;+CEER" ) |
| 22:34.41 | yabo | do i remove "+CPAS;+CEER" and add "%N0187"? |
| 22:36.19 | yabo | the post in question is by Richy-2 |
| 22:38.53 | yabo | wait, devchannel.enqueue is commented out for me |
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| 22:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | yabo: this should be fixed for all recent distros for longtime now |
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| 22:52.36 | yabo | oh, alright |
| 22:53.43 | DocScrutinizer | yabo: actually with current SHR even speakerphone works for me |
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| 22:56.25 | Abatrour | hey guys, i just submitted a patch for paroli but i dont know how to compile and install the latest version so i can test it out on my phone |
| 22:56.54 | Abatrour | i am able to run it from the nfs share i have set up, and my patch works, but im thinking its screwing up a bit because i have 2 instances of it running |
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