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| 09:49.31 | leila | Hi all |
| 09:49.57 | dns53 | hey |
| 09:50.00 | SpeedEvil | hi |
| 09:50.02 | leila | Zhone is crashing on me (removing sms, missed phonecall) is this normal ? |
| 09:50.59 | PaulFertser | leila: no |
| 09:51.05 | PaulFertser | leila: any tracebacks? |
| 09:51.27 | leila | I could try to generate some when I am back home |
| 09:51.54 | leila | Seems that calling nodm restart inside lxde is also not realy working ~_~ |
| 09:52.41 | PaulFertser | leila: yeah, i think you need to do it inside "screen" or nohup because it loses the controlling terminal and stops. |
| 09:54.12 | leila | meaning I have now a phone waiting on a login ~_~ |
| 09:54.25 | leila | also not responding to the power button |
| 09:55.09 | PaulFertser | leila: yep, the only way is to connect via ssh or reboot. If you hold power button for ~10sec, it should turn off. |
| 09:56.20 | leila | unforts not, am I missing an init.d script ? |
| 09:56.35 | leila | only solution left to reboot it here seems to be to remove the battery |
| 09:57.42 | PaulFertser | leila: are you using a recent kernel? Because this feature was absent for some time but now it seems to work. Anyway removing battery is equivalent. |
| 09:58.15 | leila | PaulFertser: I installed it with the install script 2 days ago, I assumed that would get me te lastest version and such (installed debian) |
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| 09:58.25 | PaulFertser | leila: i had to do that several times myself for exactly the same reason (attempt to nodm restart from an X terminal) :D |
| 09:58.46 | PaulFertser | leila: i'm afraid debian version is outdated but i'm not sure. |
| 09:59.21 | leila | I shall type the command to get kernel info as soon as it is booted and I remember what the command was |
| 09:59.38 | PaulFertser | leila: what for? |
| 09:59.47 | leila | to see the kernel version ;) |
| 10:00.07 | vegyraupe | PaulFertser: jsut a quick note, paroli does not store messages on the SIM but on the phone and always has |
| 10:00.56 | PaulFertser | vegyraupe: ah, ok. Sorry for misinformating rhkfin then. |
| 10:01.24 | rhkfin | ah, ok, this is where you both ( PaulFertser and vegyraupe ) are.. |
| 10:01.32 | vegyraupe | PaulFertser: no problem, I don't regard it as common knowledge, just thought I'd let you know ;) |
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| 10:03.53 | PaulFertser | vegyraupe: does that mean that paroli has always used that mode of receiving messages that always avoids storing on SIM? |
| 10:04.24 | vegyraupe | PaulFertser: no unfortunatelly not because it was (maybe still is) not functioning properly |
| 10:04.33 | vegyraupe | so we receive the message, copy it and then delete |
| 10:05.19 | PaulFertser | vegyraupe: i see. I think that bug was already fixed (dos1 knows more about it). |
| 10:06.49 | vegyraupe | PaulFertser: yeah we were told it was, but ... yeah ... I am not a very trusty person in that regards |
| 10:06.49 | vegyraupe | -s |
| 10:07.56 | leila | PaulFertser: 2.6.28-20090105 |
| 10:08.36 | PaulFertser | leila: i don't even understand what date it is. |
| 10:08.37 | leila | that kernel is newer than that I have on the desktop ;) |
| 10:08.53 | rhkfin | Anyone know some dbus magick to easily check the # of SMS's on SIM? |
| 10:09.28 | PaulFertser | leila: if you take a look at git log you'll see that the development is still ongoing here, so you need to use the latest kernel version to get all the fixes/features/bugs ;) |
| 10:10.31 | leila | PaulFertser: as in check out with git and compile it myself ? |
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| 10:11.32 | PaulFertser | leila: i think you can use compiled version from downloads.openmoko.org experimental (daily builds) |
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| 10:18.03 | leila | PaulFertser: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/ > |
| 10:18.06 | leila | ? |
| 10:18.20 | PaulFertser | leila: yes |
| 10:21.12 | leila | Ok I shall try to use that one |
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| 10:23.40 | PaulFertser | leila: please take into account that i use git HEAD because i want to be able to hunt bugs and it usually makes sense to use the latest version to not spend time on the bugs already fixed. So probably my advice is not very good for an end-user. OTOH i use the latest kernel and don't see any problems on gta02 (except for that wifi bug). |
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| 10:26.26 | diogo | hi everyone, I need a help, how do I install openmoko on a HTC Wizard, I have no U-boot and your site gives instructions for the neo mobile only |
| 10:26.44 | PaulFertser | diogo: do you have a good kernel for your device? |
| 10:28.15 | diogo | no I have nothing... that's the case, I got a kernel and a rootfs from open-nandra which allegate that it works on HTC Wizard, but when I boot it it gives error -110, aka I/O error, with the attempt to mount the root of the SD Card partition and freezes with no root mounted |
| 10:28.27 | diogo | so how do I get a kernel for it? |
| 10:29.03 | PaulFertser | diogo: no idea. And anyway if you plan to use FSO on top of it you'll have to do some work to make it compatible (that is appreciated). |
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| 10:31.05 | SpeedEvil | The only 'supported' devices at this time are the two openmoko devices unfortunately. |
| 10:31.16 | SpeedEvil | Anything else - you're pretty much entirely on your own. |
| 10:31.46 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: not exactly, the FSO developers are actively helping with porting efforts. |
| 10:33.03 | SpeedEvil | yes - to an extent - I mean - sure they'll help - but there are no other phones that it works on - though they might desire that. |
| 10:40.28 | diogo | I'll try linwizard since its supposed to be a Linux for HTC Wizard... thx for the comments |
| 10:41.52 | trigger | is SHR unstable or oemerge recommended? |
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| 10:50.17 | trigger | I thought it was oemerge, but I can't find it |
| 10:50.59 | leila | PaulFertser: could you link me your .xsession ? |
| 10:51.39 | PaulFertser | leila: but don't blame me if you don't like it! ;) http://paste.debian.net/39981/ |
| 10:53.49 | leila | ;) |
| 10:55.20 | leila | hmm I did not get e17 to work well |
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| 10:57.22 | PaulFertser | leila: what doesn't work for you? |
| 10:58.12 | Psi_ | is there a reason why 320x240 mode isnt available on gta01 in shr |
| 10:59.11 | leila | PaulFertser: not sure, but it did not respond very well, shorthly after I reinstalled everything |
| 10:59.38 | leila | using "zhone & startlxde" at the moment |
| 11:00.02 | PaulFertser | leila: probably you're right, for me E doesn't work very fast too :) |
| 11:00.19 | PaulFertser | Psi_: have you tried the magic echo command? |
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| 11:02.15 | Psi_ | this one? "chvt 4 && echo qvga-normal > /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx-spi-gpio.1/spi0.0/state && fbset qvga |
| 11:03.12 | PaulFertser | Psi_: you need to check that you really run X server on vt4 and that the sysfs path is correct (it might have changed in new kernel versions). |
| 11:03.24 | Psi_ | yeah, it has |
| 11:04.08 | Psi_ | what is this chvt thing? |
| 11:04.44 | Psi_ | ah, i see |
| 11:04.47 | PaulFertser | Psi_: change to the virtual terminal. Like when you press M-F1/F2 etc on desktop. |
| 11:04.52 | Psi_ | yeah |
| 11:05.51 | Psi_ | my xinit line has vt1 in it, does that mean its chvt 1 ? |
| 11:06.17 | PaulFertser | Psi_: probably you should avoid chvt and fbset altogether and use xrandr instead. |
| 11:06.45 | Psi_ | yep, that was my origional question, xrandr has never supported 320x240 on gta01 that i know of |
| 11:06.52 | PaulFertser | Psi_: and if you want to get VGA back, you'll need to "echo normal > .." |
| 11:09.05 | PaulFertser | Psi_: so, what part of that trick fails? |
| 11:09.11 | Psi_ | just trying it now |
| 11:10.56 | Psi_ | the line changed the display |
| 11:11.04 | PaulFertser | Psi_: it should |
| 11:11.09 | Psi_ | didnt look like 320x240 tho |
| 11:11.17 | PaulFertser | Psi_: even after fbset? |
| 11:11.43 | Psi_ | yep |
| 11:12.05 | Psi_ | ill try it when the screen rotated |
| 11:12.36 | Psi_ | i only get 1 or 2 of the main icons on the screen |
| 11:12.58 | Psi_ | and the contrast/brightness is all wrong |
| 11:13.53 | Psi_ | yeah, the lines are all distorted, its not switching correctly |
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| 11:15.54 | PaulFertser | Psi_: does the echo command has any effect? |
| 11:16.04 | PaulFertser | has/have |
| 11:16.43 | Psi_ | i was running the entire command "chvt 1 && echo qvga-normal > /sys/devices/platform/spi_s3c24xx_gpio.1/spi0.0/state && fbset qvga" |
| 11:16.53 | Psi_ | ya want me to run it one by one |
| 11:17.06 | PaulFertser | Psi_: i'd do it that way, yes |
| 11:18.07 | Psi_ | ok, the echo command is what is switching the mode |
| 11:18.17 | Psi_ | fbset qvga doesnt do anything to the screen |
| 11:18.48 | PaulFertser | Psi_: so take care to make fbset work. The echo command switches the LCM mode but you also need to output proper data to it. |
| 11:20.10 | PaulFertser | Psi_: also it might be easier to try without X first. |
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| 11:21.41 | Psi_ | this is what it looks like http://psi.abcom.co.nz/qvga.jpg |
| 11:22.22 | leila | Random question: has there been made any effort to integrate phone functions with audio / video playback. Thus when a call is incoming the audio / vid playback would pause and a answer phone popup would emerge |
| 11:22.41 | leila | Sorry for the bad grammer |
| 11:23.09 | PaulFertser | Psi_: well, you'll need to investigate why fbset does nothing. |
| 11:23.34 | Psi_ | is it supposed to correct what im getting on the screen? |
| 11:23.53 | PaulFertser | Psi_: The echo command switches the LCM mode but you also need to output proper data to it. |
| 11:25.23 | PaulFertser | (it==LCM) |
| 11:25.28 | Psi_ | yep |
| 11:27.20 | Psi_ | fbset thinks its doing what its told, if i just type fbset it shows the mode its in |
| 11:27.55 | Psi_ | and its correct, after fbset qvga id shows 240x320 and different timing values to 480x640 |
| 11:28.16 | Psi_ | well, i guess some of the values could be wrong, but it seems more likely its something else thats the problem |
| 11:28.32 | PaulFertser | Psi_: did it ever work with an older (read .24) kernel? |
| 11:28.46 | Psi_ | i dont think ive ever seen 320x240 on my phone |
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| 11:30.37 | PaulFertser | Psi_: are you sure you want it? Looks ugly, because the "pixels" (each one made of 4) look too square. |
| 11:31.05 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: antialiasing? 8) |
| 11:31.06 | Psi_ | i just thought it would be nice to be able to play video |
| 11:31.44 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: the panel is 640x480 so if you want 320x240 for speed you'll have to go without any antialiasing. |
| 11:32.05 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: I'm just joking. 8) |
| 11:32.09 | PaulFertser | Psi_: i wonder if fbset command has an effect with .24 |
| 11:32.40 | Psi_ | i just found a few messages on the neo about it and it used to work on gta01 |
| 11:33.03 | Psi_ | pretty old tho |
| 11:33.14 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: are you in touch with russian openmoko community? Probably i can get a gta01 here for some adequate price, what do you think? |
| 11:33.46 | Psi_ | cant see a date but they are talking about ipkg so must be old |
| 11:33.49 | PaulFertser | Psi_: might be a kernel problem as well (like fbset issues IOCTL that is effectively ignored or smth). But more data would help investigating that enourmously. |
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| 11:34.10 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: I'm in touch a little bit. BTW, why do we need gta01? |
| 11:34.26 | SpeedEvil | because several thousand peeps have it? |
| 11:35.18 | Q-Master | hehe |
| 11:36.59 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: to try to solve some problems |
| 11:37.17 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: can you tell me why russian community is not in touch with international community? ;) |
| 11:37.54 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: dunno. I even doubt that there IS russian community. 8) |
| 11:38.20 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: what would you need for remote debugging of this? More than usb-net and a webcam? |
| 11:38.25 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: well, if you know whom to ask about obtaining a gta01 here, please do. |
| 11:38.37 | SpeedEvil | Or would you ratehre do the hardware thing |
| 11:38.45 | Psi_ | im copying 2.6.24 on now to find out |
| 11:39.18 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: you do want to buy a gta01 or what? I'm a bit dumb today |
| 11:39.24 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i'm afraid i'd need access to testpoints sooner or later. Also i still hope that power consumption of gta01 can be made tolerable for everyday use (and for that more hardware-aimed investigations are needed). |
| 11:39.34 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 11:39.36 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: yes, i do. Buy or accept as a present. |
| 11:39.59 | SpeedEvil | posting an appeal on ML might be an idea |
| 11:40.13 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: ok. I'll try to ask |
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| 11:41.02 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: international shippings and payments are pita, especially for russians. So i want to try to find a device here first. |
| 11:42.23 | Psi_ | PaulFertser: im still working on setting up a test rig to do power tests on my gta01, need to setup a proper fake battery, last time a few strands broke off the wires i had twisted around the terminals and fell inside my neo casing. Had to take the neo apart to clean them out to avoid shorts |
| 11:42.34 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: also i'm afraid that if i post an appeal on the ML somebody might think that i'm going to fix anything while i might give up due to lack of skills (or even do nothing for no reason) instead. |
| 11:42.51 | SpeedEvil | fair enough. |
| 11:43.15 | PaulFertser | And doing nothing for no obvious reason is unfortunately a common pattern for me. |
| 11:43.20 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:43.32 | SpeedEvil | BTDTGWNRAIWDN. |
| 11:43.53 | SpeedEvil | (well nothing really, as I was doing nothing) |
| 11:46.14 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i'm sorry, what does BTDTGWNRAIWDN mean? |
| 11:46.43 | leila | he posted part of it below |
| 11:46.49 | SM2k | sounds like a sound a cat would make |
| 11:46.54 | leila | just missing the BTDTG |
| 11:48.52 | PaulFertser | I see :) |
| 11:49.23 | pandoras_ | every update from the opkg is going wrong |
| 11:49.33 | pandoras_ | signature fail check.. error 404 ... |
| 11:49.38 | pandoras_ | -_- |
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| 11:54.59 | pandoras_ | ok, i think i found the Problem |
| 11:55.29 | pandoras_ | im using OM 2008.12 and the repos are configured on 2008.08 |
| 11:55.45 | pandoras_ | it dont exist any 2008.12 repos -_- |
| 11:57.25 | max_posedon | 2008.12 is *VERY* outdated |
| 11:57.38 | max_posedon | it isn't supported, and all already forget about it |
| 11:57.55 | pandoras_ | o_0' |
| 11:58.08 | PaulFertser | pandoras_: it was deadborn anyway |
| 11:58.11 | pandoras_ | omg, i read in the Wiki, i must flash the newest Version xD |
| 11:58.26 | pandoras_ | ok, is a Downgrade a better Idea? |
| 11:58.36 | PaulFertser | pandoras_: yes, downgrade to windows ce! |
| 11:58.43 | pandoras_ | ROFL |
| 12:00.03 | max_posedon | pandoras_, I sugges latest shr-unstable |
| 12:00.12 | pandoras_ | ok.. the complete Game from beginn |
| 12:05.07 | Psi_ | PaulFertser: yes, it is much better in .24 |
| 12:05.22 | PaulFertser | Psi_: it'd be good if you described it in more details |
| 12:05.27 | Psi_ | its still too bright, but it is actually displaying in 320x240 correctly when i do fbset qvga |
| 12:07.01 | Psi_ | this is the kernel i used uImage-2.6.24-oe5+gitrfb42ce6724576fc173faf8abfb04aa2c36d213b7-r1-om-gta01.bin |
| 12:10.05 | Psi_ | what kind of detail do you require? |
| 12:10.57 | PaulFertser | Psi_: yes, i think that's enough |
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| 12:23.01 | pandoras_ | so.. flashing again, with the 2008.08 Distro |
| 12:23.43 | PaulFertser | pandoras_: sissy |
| 12:32.21 | leila | hmm without using suspend I get about 14 hours of battery life |
| 12:33.16 | PaulFertser | leila: sounds reasonable |
| 12:33.32 | PaulFertser | leila: do you want to boast about it or to complain? ;) |
| 12:35.31 | leila | PaulFertser: just verifying |
| 12:36.06 | leila | PaulFertser: also worried about the suspend eating the uSD |
| 12:36.26 | Psi_ | leila: gta02 im guessing |
| 12:36.33 | leila | Psi_: yup |
| 12:36.38 | PaulFertser | leila: suspend doesn't eat uSD for long time now |
| 12:36.54 | leila | PaulFertser: that is good to here |
| 12:36.57 | leila | hear* |
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| 12:42.13 | leila | PaulFertser: the kernel is individual of the distro right ? |
| 12:43.36 | PaulFertser | leila: some distro maintainers think that they need to cherry-pick a particular revision or smth. But it's not necessary. I think all kernel work should be done at kernel ML. |
| 12:44.57 | leila | I see |
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| 13:04.01 | pandoras_ | An error ocurred, return value: 2. |
| 13:04.12 | pandoras_ | wich error? |
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| 13:22.17 | pandoras_ | ARGH!! Horribel! the Packager dont works |
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| 15:56.10 | pandoras | wuhuu! the Upgrade is running :D |
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| 15:56.32 | pandoras | the 2008.8 Version have a buggy ConfigFile for opkg |
| 15:57.00 | ndnihil | if you're talking about the 404 messages |
| 15:57.02 | ndnihil | that's normal |
| 15:57.07 | ndnihil | and can be safely ignored |
| 15:57.25 | ndnihil | it's just polling a repository that no longer exists |
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| 16:09.40 | pandoras | ndnihil: i mean the "error 2" |
| 16:09.49 | pandoras | that was an bad configuration error |
| 16:10.09 | ndnihil | oh |
| 16:10.36 | pandoras | a OM without a packet manager is horrible |
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| 16:19.54 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:55.34 | fredrin | morning or what ever |
| 17:55.40 | fredrin | got fucked sleeping schedule |
| 18:00.11 | Blu3 | :) |
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| 18:20.50 | leila | Hello. Trying out SHR at the moment, but after flashing in the things I am first getting a kernel module error and several things are randomly crashing. Is this still the current state of SHR ? |
| 18:21.29 | ndnihil | testing or unstable? |
| 18:21.37 | ndnihil | I'm using a fairly recent unstable and it works fine |
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| 18:24.18 | leila | I used the links on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR |
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| 18:25.06 | jn | hi |
| 18:25.34 | SpeedEvil | you flashed kernel and image? |
| 18:26.11 | leila | yup |
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| 18:29.09 | leila | I'll try rebooting first |
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| 18:31.49 | leila | Contacts program still dies |
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| 18:53.48 | leila | Hmm why does iwconfig ignore my essid that I feed it on SHR ? |
| 18:54.13 | ndnihil | did you turn wifi on? |
| 18:54.21 | ndnihil | settings->connections |
| 18:54.29 | leila | yup |
| 18:54.57 | leila | it does accept the key |
| 18:55.00 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r5836b034a0ad 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py pimb_sim_messages_fso.py): opimd: install GSM signal handlers even if ogsmd isn't present when initing opimd |
| 18:57.08 | novalis_dt | Who is responsible for Python on the OpenMoko? |
| 18:57.16 | novalis_dt | Er, in SHR |
| 18:57.59 | ndnihil | I dont know but they should be beaten profusely with a large blunt object |
| 18:58.21 | novalis_dt | ndnihil, well, I was more thinking that they should get a long talking-to, but .... |
| 18:58.21 | ndnihil | if only they had chosen perl |
| 18:58.35 | novalis_dt | Wait, what? |
| 18:58.43 | ndnihil | <-- doesnt like python |
| 18:58.47 | ndnihil | what's your gripe with it? |
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| 18:59.02 | novalis_dt | I wasn't going to start a language flame war -- I was going to complain about the fact that the standard library has been broken into eighteen tiny modules. |
| 18:59.21 | ndnihil | ah |
| 18:59.26 | ndnihil | I just dislike python in general |
| 18:59.54 | ajvogel | ndnihil, why? |
| 19:00.27 | novalis_dt | Ah, and half of the tiny modules don't exist. |
| 19:00.28 | ndnihil | mostly because I prefer {brackets} to indentation |
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| 19:00.58 | novalis_dt | It is very rare for people who have actually used Python for more than an hour to maintain the view that indentation is a mistake. |
| 19:01.09 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7b86ed451d49 10/libfsoframework/ (6 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: more work on SoundSystem class (using alsa backend) |
| 19:01.11 | ndnihil | I wrote a few things in it |
| 19:01.12 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r0437e385a4d2 10/misc-vapi/vapi/libasound.vapi: misc-vapi: libasound.vapi: add aes ice 958 |
| 19:01.12 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r932a54ae4152 10/libfsoframework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: save/restore groups of mixer controls |
| 19:01.15 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r012a876ec8b9 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/alsa.vala: |
| 19:01.15 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: fsoframework: alsa: refactor |
| 19:01.16 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: We keep the list of controls now in the alsa object, |
| 19:01.18 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: based on the assumption that it doesn't change over the lifetime |
| 19:01.18 | ndnihil | interfaced with dbus for gps data |
| 19:01.19 | ndnihil | etc... |
| 19:01.20 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r79b99e28e553 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (alsa.vala fsoframework-2.0.vapi): fsoframework: alsa: add method to create a MixerControl from a string description |
| 19:01.21 | ndnihil | still dont like it |
| 19:01.48 | ajvogel | novalis_dt, I agree. |
| 19:01.51 | leila | I like {} or even begin end more as well, way easier to skim over and spot logical constructs |
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| 19:03.17 | dos1 | novalis_dt: python is only used in frameworkd and shr-settings in SHR i think |
| 19:03.17 | ajvogel | I always used indentations to seperate constructs, even in languages with brackets or begin-end |
| 19:03.17 | mickeyl | mentions that he is the maintainer of pretty much everything Python in OE and everything that's built from OE |
| 19:03.17 | leila | ok I am wtf'd using iwconfig with only the essid as param will set it. However combining it with key or enc will not |
| 19:03.36 | novalis_dt | dos1, and in my code! |
| 19:03.59 | mickeyl | Python in OE was first created for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 |
| 19:04.02 | dos1 | novalis_dt: oh, in notifier also |
| 19:04.03 | mickeyl | this one had 14.5 MB of flash |
| 19:04.03 | novalis_dt | mickeyl, where is gzip? where is ssl? |
| 19:04.11 | mickeyl | tell me about package granularity now :D |
| 19:04.17 | mickeyl | novalis_dt: python-compression |
| 19:04.23 | mickeyl | python-openssl perhaps |
| 19:04.28 | leila | I parse {} as markers when skimming |
| 19:04.57 | novalis_dt | mickeyl, perhaps I don't understand opkg. Whenever I try to use opkg search to search for something, I can't find it. |
| 19:05.00 | leila | I guess I could get used to parsing it on other stuff, but still dont like it |
| 19:05.15 | mickeyl | i don't know much about opkg, however I know what you can use to look for modules |
| 19:05.17 | mickeyl | let me give you a link |
| 19:05.19 | ndnihil | opkg list |
| 19:05.29 | novalis_dt | mickeyl, thanks |
| 19:05.42 | novalis_dt | ndnihil, that only works if you know what you're looking for |
| 19:05.57 | ndnihil | it lists all available packages |
| 19:06.02 | ndnihil | then you grep for what you want |
| 19:06.23 | mickeyl | http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/python/python-2.6-manifest.inc?h=fso/milestone5.5 |
| 19:06.34 | novalis_dt | ndnihil, opkg list|grep gzip gices me nothing |
| 19:06.35 | mickeyl | this is the manifest, describing which modules go into which subpackage |
| 19:06.39 | mickeyl | may help you to find stuff |
| 19:06.56 | leila | I did not remember that using the essid as last parameter was a requirement >_> |
| 19:07.36 | novalis_dt | mickeyl, ah, thanks. That does help. python-io appears to contain _ssl.so, which might be what I need. |
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| 19:08.19 | ndnihil | root@phone ~ # opkg list |grep -i gzip |wc -l |
| 19:08.19 | ndnihil | 5 |
| 19:08.21 | mickeyl | good. i don't plan to change the granularity for the 2.x series |
| 19:08.22 | ndnihil | I get 5 packages |
| 19:09.21 | leila | Do I need to run a dhcp like command to get an ip or is that build in after setting up the wireless with iwconfig ? |
| 19:09.21 | leila | (SHR) |
| 19:09.21 | mickeyl | for 3.0 i may consider doing less packages |
| 19:09.21 | ndnihil | did you opkg update? |
| 19:09.21 | novalis_dt | ndnihil, at some point, I think |
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| 19:09.38 | mickeyl | leila: iwconfig is not doing anything wrt. IP |
| 19:09.52 | novalis_dt | hm, _ssl.so does not provide the ssl module. |
| 19:09.55 | mickeyl | so: yes, you need to run e.g. udhcpc |
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| 19:10.04 | novalis_dt | I could happily upgrade to python3 for this. |
| 19:10.09 | bricode | Anyone familiar with teh AT+CCLK? GSM command? |
| 19:10.20 | mickeyl | well, python3 won't be packaged until 2010 |
| 19:10.25 | mickeyl | i don't see much value in it now |
| 19:10.29 | novalis_dt | OK, I can't wait until 2010. |
| 19:10.35 | mickeyl | anyways, you probably need openssl as well |
| 19:10.40 | novalis_dt | I have openssl. |
| 19:10.49 | mickeyl | ok, so what exactly is not working for you? |
| 19:10.56 | novalis_dt | import ssl |
| 19:11.06 | novalis_dt | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 19:11.06 | novalis_dt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.06 | novalis_dt | ImportError: No module named ssl |
| 19:11.15 | CIA-47 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r065ff1fb9b78 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py pimb_sim_messages_fso.py): opimd: use better way for installing ReadyStatus signal handler |
| 19:11.18 | novalis_dt | httplib2 depends on it. |
| 19:11.59 | mickeyl | right, seems this is missing in python-io |
| 19:12.06 | mickeyl | copy it from your host for now |
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| 19:12.13 | mickeyl | i'll add it to OE when i have a chance |
| 19:12.26 | mickeyl | notes down |
| 19:13.23 | leila | mickeyl, is there a default dhcp client in SHR ? |
| 19:13.30 | mickeyl | usually, udhcpc, yes |
| 19:13.46 | leila | ahar .. missed the last c.. I think |
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| 19:15.15 | leila | many thanks |
| 19:15.48 | mickeyl | np |
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| 19:18.42 | leila | upgrading the distro to see if the contacts thing will function then |
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| 19:21.03 | leila | the error screen can use some work ... it is not readable |
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| 19:45.24 | novalis_dt | What does Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged mean? |
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| 19:50.16 | dos1 | novalis_dt: ignore it |
| 19:50.35 | novalis_dt | dos1, it happens immediately before my dbus call freezes. |
| 19:50.52 | dos1 | novalis_dt: it happens every time something calls dbus ;) |
| 19:51.11 | dos1 | (and when that something is using dbus-python or dbus-c++) |
| 19:51.21 | dos1 | s/dbus-c++/dbus-glib/ |
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| 20:29.21 | leila | How many times can the NAND be written before it dies ? |
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| 20:30.37 | lindi- | leila: google for the chip specs? |
| 20:32.39 | novalis_dt | 100K is the typical spec |
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| 20:58.33 | leila | lindi-, novalis_dt in that case not to worry ;) |
| 20:58.48 | leila | also it seems that qtopia is nice.. it is - fast - |
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| 21:01.00 | PaulFertser | leila: it is not suitable for hackers |
| 21:01.40 | PaulFertser | leila: and for quite some time it wasn't free software (technically, it was, but to make it really free one would need to fork it). |
| 21:03.49 | fredrin | is android working now? |
| 21:04.33 | PaulFertser | fredrin: who cares :-/ |
| 21:04.53 | PaulFertser | fredrin: android is not for hackers, that's the fact that even A devs admit. |
| 21:05.07 | fredrin | true, hehe, i would like to test it though |
| 21:06.23 | bricode | fredrin: You can find out more at git.koolu.org and trac.koolu.org |
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| 21:08.52 | viq | Is there any distro that understands MMS ? |
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| 21:18.22 | leila | PaulFertser, that might be true, but this far it a) did not crash b) is fast. Besides I will upgrade it to the community fork soon. |
| 21:18.27 | leila | Also I like the looks |
| 21:18.50 | CIA-47 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5201 10/trunk/gta02-core/audio.sch: added more components (work in progress) |
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| 21:20.43 | fredrin | gah, can't get the swapfile going, created the file, put this line in fstab : /swp.file swap swap defaults 0 0 |
| 21:20.47 | fredrin | but swapon fails |
| 21:21.20 | Psi_ | i found the neo sometimes ignores fstab and does its own thing |
| 21:21.27 | Psi_ | might be something like that |
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| 21:22.07 | fredrin | loves his neo |
| 21:22.12 | Psi_ | ie, if you forget to change fstab to have / on the sdcard, (so its still pointing to nand) it still sets sd to / |
| 21:22.17 | max_posedon | fredrin, swapon?) |
| 21:22.24 | fredrin | yeah |
| 21:22.26 | max_posedon | also it is none, not swap |
| 21:22.43 | max_posedon | Don't you forgot about mkswap? |
| 21:22.50 | Psi_ | ^ |
| 21:22.57 | fredrin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:24.38 | Psi_ | isnt it supposed to be "none swap" |
| 21:24.38 | fredrin | mkswap :) was missing |
| 21:24.38 | fredrin | thanks :D |
| 21:24.43 | Psi_ | heh |
| 21:25.07 | Psi_ | does it help much having a swap on the sd? |
| 21:25.19 | max_posedon | anybody can look at his PC to correct syntax |
| 21:25.27 | max_posedon | Psi_, it important only for opkg |
| 21:25.33 | Psi_ | ah |
| 21:27.09 | mmontour | The mountpoint (2nd field) is ignored but the fstab manpage I looked at recommends "none". The filesystem type (3rd field) has to be "swap" |
| 21:28.04 | fredrin | it worked with swap swap aswell |
| 21:28.07 | fredrin | could change it though |
| 21:28.15 | fredrin | it that is the Right Way (tm) |
| 21:28.22 | fredrin | s/it/if |
| 21:35.43 | ndnihil | woot, FR is burning up today |
| 21:35.47 | ndnihil | tons of calls |
| 21:35.53 | Psi_ | heh |
| 21:35.56 | ndnihil | (had an office disappear) |
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| 21:42.32 | leila | Good night all |
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