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| 03:55.45 | ndnihil | does anyone else get I/O errors when using wpa_supplicant? |
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| 04:42.18 | linuxxr | shall i install ther new paroli? |
| 04:50.33 | doc|home | yeno |
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| 07:07.52 | d1b | hi anyone up ...? |
| 07:17.31 | PaulFertser | d1b: nope |
| 07:21.37 | d1b | PaulFertser: do you know anything about the panicing android images/ |
| 07:22.17 | PaulFertser | d1b: kernel panics? |
| 07:22.38 | d1b | er never mind found the info ^ |
| 07:22.40 | d1b | ^ |
| 07:22.48 | PaulFertser | d1b: i'd recommend against android |
| 07:23.13 | PaulFertser | d1b: so, what about panics? I'm interested to hear kernel-level stuff |
| 07:24.46 | d1b | PaulFertser: i'm fed up with debian being too soft and shr suckings re contacts |
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| 07:27.12 | PaulFertser | d1b: android will suck anyway because it was designed to sell shit. Go to http://www.android.com/ and see for yourself. It is not free software project, it's just proprietary OS using Linux, the kernel, that happens to be "open source". |
| 07:28.11 | d1b | PaulFertser: thank you i know |
| 07:28.26 | d1b | if you can help me fix my alsa config issue for my debian phone that would be fine too |
| 07:28.31 | d1b | atm it sucks on loudness |
| 07:28.39 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.06 | PaulFertser | d1b: so, you hear the other side but the volume is very low? |
| 07:29.45 | PaulFertser | d1b: have you seen this diagram: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:WM8753_routing_diagram_alsa_controls.png ? |
| 07:29.49 | d1b | PaulFertser: volume is really low |
| 07:29.56 | d1b | PaulFertser: yeah ... um that's impossible to use |
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| 07:30.13 | d1b | i just want a button to push or a file to load into alsa |
| 07:31.12 | PaulFertser | d1b: If you look at the diagram you'll see alsa controls that affect handset earpiece volume (the earpiece is connected to LOUT2/ROUT2). |
| 07:32.13 | PaulFertser | d1b: different gta02 hardware revisions have different earpiece volume due to the unnecessary capacitor in the path. And it's impossible to tell which are equipped with that "feature" and which are not. So one just has to adjust the volume to his liking. |
| 07:32.20 | d1b | PaulFertser: dude... to complex i just want to modify one thing. |
| 07:32.28 | d1b | its a v5 i think |
| 07:32.38 | d1b | gta02v5/4 oene of those |
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| 07:33.16 | PaulFertser | d1b: It's impossible to tell based on hardware revision, unfortunately. Just tweak the volume setting, that's all. |
| 07:33.52 | d1b | PaulFertser: i did |
| 07:33.54 | d1b | doesn't do anything |
| 07:34.29 | lindi- | d1b: put your alsa state online during call. issue AT+CLVL? during call and tell us the output |
| 07:34.48 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it is maximised in recent fso versions |
| 07:35.27 | d1b | lindi-: i'm not sure how to do that ;) |
| 07:35.47 | lindi- | d1b: have you used alsa before? |
| 07:35.56 | d1b | lindi-: a lil |
| 07:36.12 | lindi- | d1b: "alsactl -f state store" |
| 07:36.19 | d1b | ok |
| 07:36.25 | d1b | do you wanta copy of that? |
| 07:36.32 | lindi- | d1b: yep |
| 07:36.39 | d1b | when i dial? / in call? |
| 07:38.22 | d1b | its called state yes? |
| 07:38.22 | lindi- | d1b: in call |
| 07:38.27 | d1b | oh one sec |
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| 07:38.49 | PaulFertser | lindi-: why do you think +CLVL is the right knob to tweak? |
| 07:39.07 | lindi- | PaulFertser: since I've heard paroli cycles it during call if you touch AUX |
| 07:39.33 | PaulFertser | lindi-: yes, it does. But it doesn't mean it's the right method, does it? |
| 07:39.39 | d1b | lindi-: is paroli on debian / how is kapula doing alsa? |
| 07:39.50 | lindi- | PaulFertser: no but if it sets AT+CLVL way too low you can't fix that with alsa? |
| 07:39.59 | lindi- | d1b: kapula does not touch AT+CLVL |
| 07:40.17 | lindi- | d1b: so it has default value of AT+CLVL=127 I think? You could increase that |
| 07:40.39 | d1b | lindi-: i haven't tried kapula in a bit |
| 07:40.44 | d1b | does it do sim unlocking? |
| 07:40.56 | lindi- | d1b: it just send the pin that is in file |
| 07:40.58 | PaulFertser | lindi-: sure. |
| 07:41.06 | d1b | oh neat |
| 07:41.19 | d1b | anyways um.. |
| 07:41.30 | d1b | http://pastebin.com/m4d05a43f and |
| 07:41.59 | d1b | http://pastebin.com/d3b101f0b |
| 07:42.08 | d1b | + where is kapula ;) ? |
| 07:42.32 | d1b | it looks yummy. |
| 07:43.09 | lindi- | d1b: you have wrong state file. |
| 07:43.35 | d1b | http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/darcs/kapula/ yes ? |
| 07:43.38 | d1b | lindi-: oh really? |
| 07:43.49 | d1b | how should i update / fix that |
| 07:43.50 | lindi- | d1b: yes |
| 07:43.57 | lindi- | d1b: you should use http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/raw-attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new |
| 07:44.28 | d1b | mm ok |
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| 07:47.35 | d1b | lindi-: do you have sms / contact dumping tools as well? |
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| 07:48.40 | lindi- | d1b: in iki.fi/lindi/openmoko i think |
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| 07:50.16 | d1b | shoudl i use gsmhandset-lindi.state i take it that is what you are using |
| 07:51.09 | lindi- | d1b: no no, use the one from the bug |
| 07:51.19 | d1b | ok. |
| 07:51.28 | lindi- | d1b: you might want to tune it a bit but start from the default |
| 07:51.36 | lindi- | d1b: with "diff" tool you can see what I changed slightly |
| 07:52.24 | d1b | lindi-: yes i'm just doing a colour diff on your changes to kapula now ;) |
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| 07:53.35 | lindi- | d1b: ah yes, darcs uses colors :) |
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| 07:54.31 | d1b | lindi-: i wasn't looking at darcs |
| 07:54.47 | d1b | where is the repo? |
| 07:55.04 | lindi- | d1b: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/darcs/kapula/ is the repo |
| 07:55.16 | d1b | the pretty ness? |
| 07:55.21 | d1b | no web diffs? |
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| 07:55.36 | lindi- | d1b: i don't use the darcsweb cgi due to security issues |
| 07:55.49 | d1b | lindi-: oh... |
| 07:55.56 | lindi- | d1b: but you can run your own darcs client :) |
| 07:56.03 | d1b | lindi-: i don't :( |
| 07:56.26 | d1b | what's the sha1sum meant to be of the latest kapula meant to be pho? |
| 07:56.28 | PaulFertser | toxx__: hey |
| 07:56.48 | PaulFertser | toxx__: what about that gta01 SDHC Qi issue we were talking about? |
| 07:56.54 | lindi- | d1b: "pho"? |
| 07:57.15 | d1b | tho* |
| 07:57.52 | mokowifi | Hi, anyone here that can help fixing the om2009v5 19June branch's wifi? |
| 07:57.54 | mokowifi | I cannot see the wireless networks in the settings. If I use iwlist I can see them properly |
| 07:58.02 | lindi- | d1b: hmm? ;) |
| 07:58.42 | d1b | lindi-: i'm just looking to see a sha1sum or something ;) i haven't reviewed the python code |
| 07:58.53 | d1b | only noticied that pin thing now. really cool |
| 07:59.04 | d1b | so i put my pin that file ? and that's it |
| 07:59.26 | PaulFertser | mokowifi: i think that's likely to be answered on #paroli channel |
| 07:59.56 | mokowifi | waited for some time now, no ans there :( |
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| 08:00.34 | PaulFertser | mokowifi: it's weekend, probably you need to retry on monday. |
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| 08:02.46 | lindi- | d1b: yep |
| 08:03.59 | d1b | and the phonebok? |
| 08:04.07 | d1b | does that improt to the sim or is that off the sim? |
| 08:04.55 | lindi- | d1b: it reads it from .kapula/phonebook.txt |
| 08:05.06 | d1b | so what format is that ? |
| 08:05.11 | d1b | just plain text? |
| 08:05.11 | lindi- | name: number |
| 08:05.13 | lindi- | yep |
| 08:05.15 | d1b | k |
| 08:05.35 | lindi- | actually without the space "name:number" |
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| 09:16.45 | d1b | lindi-: question does kapula read smses / contacts ? |
| 09:16.57 | d1b | don't see it doing that atm. |
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| 09:20.25 | d1b | cuz i want to make some mods now that i see how easy this looks ;) and stuff |
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| 09:32.43 | d1b | lindi-: can i query you? |
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| 10:07.09 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r2f65dfff01da 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: fix tracebacks in few dbus methods |
| 10:07.11 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r499258d63aaa 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: add stub for single_message_matches |
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| 10:42.24 | PBeck | hallo |
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| 11:27.50 | feugan3333 | Hello all. How do I find out which hardware version of the neo freerunner I have? |
| 11:28.09 | SpeedEvil | Cat /proc/cpuingo I think tells you as much as the hardare can |
| 11:28.31 | SpeedEvil | If you're asking 'have I got buzzfix' - you basically have to open it |
| 11:29.15 | feugan3333 | Thanks SpeedEvil, is this documented on the wiki somewhere? |
| 11:29.48 | feugan3333 | What am I looking for to see if it's buzzfixed |
| 11:30.06 | feugan3333 | I'm guessing it's not because I'm getting buzz. |
| 11:30.26 | ahven | hello, what is the latest release that my Neo1973 Bv4 can successfully run? :) |
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| 11:31.10 | ahven | http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/Neo1973/ < --- this should be right place? |
| 11:38.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5168 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (AUTHORS components/STATUS components/gta02-core-expanded.lib): |
| 11:38.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Added Alvaro's new GPS components to STATUS and AUTHORS. |
| 11:38.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Regenerated expanded lib. |
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| 11:55.43 | ahven | oh, a console-only root image, I dig that :) |
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| 12:03.52 | ahven | hmm, as looking at the HW part of Neo1973, am I understanding correctly that when the display is off it isn't drawing any massive power like in the start? |
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| 12:20.11 | SpeedEvil | the display can be off while the rest of the system is acrtive |
| 12:24.04 | feugan3333 | SpeedEvil, Could you tell me how to check for buzzfix? |
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| 12:27.51 | SpeedEvil | See the GSM_buzz page on the wiki |
| 12:27.57 | SpeedEvil | then look at the first PDF |
| 12:28.26 | feugan3333 | SpeedEvil, ok thanks |
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| 12:29.13 | SpeedEvil | dissasemble, then look at teh board, to see if it has a large capacitor and jumper wire on like pag ee5 |
| 12:31.35 | feugan3333 | SpeedEvil, Alright, Do you know offhand what screwdriver I need to open my freerunner?, I bought a screwdriver for my previous cellphone but it's not the same. |
| 12:34.02 | SpeedEvil | torx t7 I think |
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| 12:34.06 | SpeedEvil | it's something torx |
| 12:34.10 | SpeedEvil | however, I forget |
| 12:34.14 | SpeedEvil | search wiki for torx |
| 12:38.52 | feugan3333 | SpeedEvil, Great, I found it |
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| 12:40.14 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 12:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | feugan3333: TX6 |
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| 13:07.42 | feugan3333 | DocScrutinizer, Thanks :) I'm off to purchase one now |
| 13:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | np |
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| 13:55.37 | ChristW | Good afternoon everyone! |
| 13:56.34 | ChristW | I dropped in yesterday, but I was in a hurry to leave, so I didn't get to solve my Illume-problem... I opkg upgraded Om2009t4 to t5, and now Illume keeps crashing. |
| 13:57.55 | ChristW | Where does illume keep its log, so that I can see what's going wrong? |
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| 14:58.19 | pandoras_ | i got little problems with illume |
| 14:58.39 | pandoras_ | i switched the standart Qtopia Keyboard off, to use the Illume |
| 14:59.12 | pandoras_ | the wiki says, i must the keyboard switch from none to default in the illume settings |
| 14:59.20 | pandoras_ | i can find any illume settings |
| 14:59.26 | pandoras_ | wich File? o_0' |
| 15:10.26 | pandoras_ | nobody want help me? |
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| 15:23.53 | pandoras_ | ok, i found the answer |
| 15:24.42 | pandoras_ | illume rocks |
| 15:26.25 | jc | pandoras_: congratulation. |
| 15:30.09 | pandoras_ | Jeah! i love my new Phone :D |
| 15:30.18 | pandoras_ | it makes everything possible |
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| 15:52.37 | feugan3333 | pandoras_, what distro you running? |
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| 15:57.59 | pandoras_ | feugan3333: the standart OM-OS |
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| 15:59.31 | feugan3333 | The one preloaded? That's om2007, I think |
| 16:00.36 | Elleo | wouldn't be om2007 if it's got illume |
| 16:00.47 | Elleo | that was still gtk based |
| 16:01.18 | Elleo | might be that the newer ones are shipping with om2008 I guess |
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| 16:01.31 | feugan3333 | Ah, ok that makes sense. |
| 16:01.51 | feugan3333 | Mine came with om 2007, and I received it a week ago. |
| 16:02.00 | Elleo | maybe not then :) |
| 16:02.14 | feugan3333 | He must have upgraded :) |
| 16:02.19 | Elleo | yeah |
| 16:03.01 | feugan3333 | Can you run useful applications on om2009, which repository should you use? |
| 16:04.09 | jc | afaik, akk fr came out with om2007 |
| 16:04.15 | pandoras_ | feugan3333: i download the package files directly from opgk.org |
| 16:04.25 | jc | s/akk/all |
| 16:04.49 | pandoras_ | you can these install directly with the kommand opkg install <URL to the File> |
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| 16:05.27 | pandoras_ | the first Thing i do, was flashing the NOR Memory with the newest images |
| 16:05.47 | feugan3333 | pandoras_, ok. |
| 16:06.16 | pandoras_ | and the first Problem was the connection with the Phone over usb |
| 16:06.36 | pandoras_ | if the connection not work, turn the suspend mode off |
| 16:06.57 | feugan3333 | pandoras_, ok I'm connecting over wireless. |
| 16:07.16 | beniwtv | Hi all... When I access 'People' in OM2009 T5, I get no contacts, and the buttons in the window do nothing. (I have to terminate it through Illume). Traceback here: http://www.pastebin.ca/1468887 . Anyone got the same problem? |
| 16:07.16 | pandoras_ | o_0' that works? cool, i never testing this |
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| 16:07.44 | Martix | !opkg gps |
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| 16:08.40 | pandoras_ | wuhuu... i can mount the Card, and Copy all my Music over my localhost by downloading over the Browser :P |
| 16:08.41 | feugan3333 | pandoras_, Yeah it works, how do you turn suspend off? For me using Paroli does not work to turn suspend off |
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| 16:09.14 | pandoras_ | settings > Suspend - off |
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| 16:09.53 | pandoras_ | i got the Problem in the Suspend mode, that the Networking want work |
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| 16:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | pandoras_: s/NOR/NAND/ ! ;-) |
| 16:10.52 | pandoras_ | hm.. i can may with wget copy the complete Musik in to the Card :D |
| 16:10.52 | feugan3333 | pandoras_, I think we are running different versions. I'm running 2009 |
| 16:11.24 | pandoras_ | possible... |
| 16:11.30 | PaulFertser | toxx__: ping |
| 16:11.32 | feugan3333 | beniwtv, I have that problem too |
| 16:11.54 | pandoras_ | -_- i forgot the commands to mount devices xD |
| 16:11.56 | pandoras_ | brb read Wiki |
| 16:12.59 | beniwtv | feugan3333: Good to know I'm not the only one _P |
| 16:13.14 | feugan3333 | beniwtv, :) |
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| 16:13.41 | pandoras_ | hm.. the Card was automatic mountet |
| 16:13.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5169 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (Makefile components/Makefile expanded/Makefile): |
| 16:13.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Added convenience make target "make sch" to all places where we have a |
| 16:13.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: set of schematics. |
| 16:13.58 | pandoras_ | i belive is was mountet, it stands in the Wiki |
| 16:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | pandoras_: :-P |
| 16:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | pandoras_: cmd `mount` might help |
| 16:14.58 | pandoras_ | it is mountet in /media/card |
| 16:15.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5170 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib sc32442.lib): Rearranged SC32442-SDRAM according to Luke's schematics. |
| 16:15.11 | pandoras_ | is pissile a standart Entry in the "fstab?" |
| 16:15.35 | pandoras_ | or wich file was using to automatic mounting on Systemstart? |
| 16:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | I think udev does that |
| 16:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | not sure about though - but it's not fstab afaik |
| 16:16.16 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: udev doesn't mount anything by itself. |
| 16:16.20 | pandoras_ | possible, but i want read more about only i get Problems xD |
| 16:16.55 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: except when it has some special tweaked config |
| 16:17.08 | pandoras_ | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type vfat (rw,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1) |
| 16:17.24 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: we have *all* config special tweaked on OM ;-P |
| 16:17.26 | pandoras_ | time to copy Music :D |
| 16:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | ps -ef|grep automount |
| 16:18.36 | pandoras_ | thx |
| 16:18.53 | beniwtv | Anyway, anyone can recommend a particular web browser and IM app? |
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| 16:19.15 | pandoras_ | beniwtv: Dillo as browser |
| 16:19.30 | pandoras_ | is fucking fast and small, i testet it |
| 16:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | IM == pidgin (sucks) / xchat (needs some config tweaking) |
| 16:19.38 | pandoras_ | pidgin as IM |
| 16:19.45 | pandoras_ | lol k, no pidgin |
| 16:19.53 | beniwtv | pandoras_: Is it in the repos? |
| 16:20.04 | DocScrutinizer | xchat = IRC |
| 16:20.05 | pandoras_ | DocScrutinizer: is possible join irc over telnet xD |
| 16:20.46 | DocScrutinizer | pandoras_: yeah, doing my POP3 like that all the time |
| 16:20.48 | pandoras_ | beniwtv: http://www.opkg.org/package_24.html << copy the command |
| 16:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | opkg install xchat |
| 16:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | for your convenience (and for mine ;-) : opkg install http://misc.andi.de1.cc/dillo/dillo-ssl_2.0-r0_armv4t.opk |
| 16:23.44 | beniwtv | pandoras_: Hmm.. the above command says it's missing libcrypto and libssl :( |
| 16:23.45 | feugan3333 | pandoras_, I did opkg install dillo, and then I get an icon in illume, but when I try to start it I get the following error: [en]lightenment was unable to run the application dillo |
| 16:24.13 | feugan3333 | Anyone able to tell me what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 16:25.17 | beniwtv | feugan3333: Try to run it from a terminal, maybe it's giving some errors... |
| 16:25.19 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: try to run it from terminal? |
| 16:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 16:25.31 | feugan3333 | ok |
| 16:25.57 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: you forgot the "a" ;-P |
| 16:26.31 | beniwtv | DocScrutinizer: It was intended that way. He didn't want to sound exactly like me :P |
| 16:26.41 | feugan3333 | Ok, I'm missing the shared library libfltk2_images.so, so opkg is not picking up the right dependencies? |
| 16:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | beniwtv: :-D |
| 16:27.12 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: :D |
| 16:28.24 | DocScrutinizer | feugan3333: seems that's a valid explanation. ipkg doesn't have the right depends included |
| 16:29.15 | feugan3333 | DocScrutinizer, ok np. Can I use opkg to search for the package that includes that file? |
| 16:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | so I leave dillo for a little more riping |
| 16:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | opkg list|grep <filename> |
| 16:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | don't forget the opkg update at least once a day |
| 16:31.07 | feugan3333 | ok :) |
| 16:31.44 | feugan3333 | and upgrade? |
| 16:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | upgrade kinda discourraged |
| 16:33.43 | feugan3333 | DocScrutinizer, ok |
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| 16:34.56 | DocScrutinizer | I prefer backup of $HOME, and dfu-util flashing new img |
| 16:35.37 | feugan3333 | DocScrutinizer, I see, do you use testing? |
| 16:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | unstable |
| 16:35.51 | DocScrutinizer | shr |
| 16:35.51 | beniwtv | woha... dillo... it's really fast! |
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| 16:36.29 | feugan3333 | DocScrutinizer, ok |
| 16:36.43 | feugan3333 | DocScrutinizer, Thanks for the advice. |
| 16:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 16:36.55 | feugan3333 | off to get some food |
| 16:38.17 | DocScrutinizer | enjoy |
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| 17:03.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5171 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:03.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Upgraded compilation-making system for main schematics: |
| 17:03.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: - gta02-core.sch, io.sch, cpu.sch, audio.sch: changed paper size from A4 to A3 |
| 17:03.39 | CIA-46 | openmoko: - Makefile: added targets "gen", "generate", and "upload" (same function as in |
| 17:03.40 | CIA-46 | openmoko: expanded/Makefile) |
| 17:03.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: - scripts/all-sheets-ps: copy %%Orientation and %%DocumentMedia from first file |
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| 17:23.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5172 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib sc32442.lib): |
| 17:23.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Oops. SC32442 changes had been made without turning off pin sharing, thereby |
| 17:23.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: relocating pins in other parts of the CPU as well. |
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| 17:24.06 | beniwtv | Hey again... anyone knows how to get gst-plugins-mad on om2009? |
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| 17:45.27 | rhaeder | beniwtv: I asked the same :/ |
| 17:45.40 | rhaeder | long time ago on www.opkg.rg |
| 17:45.44 | rhaeder | www.opkg.org |
| 17:45.46 | rhaeder | upps |
| 17:45.58 | beniwtv | rhaeder: I have now installed some packages from angstrom |
| 17:46.09 | beniwtv | (still testing right now) |
| 17:48.22 | DocScrutinizer2 | root@om-gta02 ~ $ find /usr -name "*gst*mad*" |
| 17:48.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | /usr/lib/opkg/info/gst-plugin-mad.control |
| 17:48.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | /usr/lib/opkg/info/gst-plugin-mad.list |
| 17:48.27 | DocScrutinizer2 | /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmad.so |
| 17:50.16 | beniwtv | DocScrutinizer2: Problem is, gst-plugin-mad is no longer available from the OM feeds, but it is from angstrom :) |
| 17:50.29 | DocScrutinizer2 | beniwtv: so maybe just copy those files from SHR if anything else fails? (yeah I know a nasty idea) |
| 17:51.07 | max_posedon | hm.. OM disto no longer powered by any company |
| 17:51.15 | max_posedon | what is the reason to remove mp3 support?! |
| 17:51.37 | DocScrutinizer2 | max_posedon: OM still hosted at OM server |
| 17:51.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | ?? |
| 17:52.19 | beniwtv | DocScrutinizer2: I just used the ipkg's from angstrom for now, and works. (I'm not going to upgrade the dist anyway, as for now everything except 'People' works for me :)) |
| 17:52.43 | max_posedon | DocScrutinizer2, I'm not sure about USA lows, but is it enough? |
| 17:53.03 | max_posedon | also gst-plugin-mad isn't bad itself |
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| 17:54.39 | mihairu | hi all...pls, what module is for wifi? thx a lot |
| 17:54.51 | PaulFertser | mihairu: ar6000.ko |
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| 17:54.58 | mihairu | PaulFertser: thx |
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| 17:55.25 | max_posedon | DocScrutinizer2, and OM is taiwan company... |
| 17:55.40 | mihairu | mmm...even after modprobing it i havent it in ethernet devices :/ |
| 17:55.57 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: it easier to avoid messing with mp3 shit for now. Less hassle. Especially considering OM had problems with trolls already. |
| 17:56.03 | PaulFertser | mihairu: do you use FSO? |
| 17:56.09 | mihairu | PaulFertser: debian |
| 17:56.38 | PaulFertser | mihairu: so, that's FSO. |
| 17:56.44 | mihairu | ok |
| 17:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | enable power for wifi first ? ;-) |
| 17:57.09 | PaulFertser | mihairu: you're supposed to enable wlan using FSO dbus call. By requesting or enabling WiFi resource. |
| 17:57.11 | mihairu | if i know how :D |
| 17:57.20 | PaulFertser | mihairu: fso does that for you |
| 17:59.40 | mihairu | PaulFertser: and what does it mean for me :) |
| 18:00.37 | PaulFertser | mihairu: something like mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.SetResourcePolicy WiFi enabled |
| 18:01.27 | mihairu | PaulFertser: /org/freesmartphone/Usage: SetResourcePolicy failed: org.freesmartphone.Usage.PolicyUnknown |
| 18:01.34 | beniwtv | rhaeder: If you're interrested: the gst-plugin-mad (ver 10.0.6 r3) from angstom works... |
| 18:01.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5173 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (Makefile expanded/Makefile scripts/all-sheets-ps): |
| 18:01.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Make overviews in PDF as well. Pre-shrink main schematics to A4. |
| 18:01.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: scripts/all-sheets-ps: added option --pdf to generate PDF instead of Postscript |
| 18:01.41 | CIA-46 | openmoko: scripts/all-sheets-ps: added option --shrink to shrink the file from A3 to A4 |
| 18:01.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: expanded/Makefile, Makefile: produce overviews in PDF as well |
| 18:01.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Makefile: shrink schematics to A4 |
| 18:02.29 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5174 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Renamed all-sheets-ps to all-sheets |
| 18:03.48 | PaulFertser | mihairu: are you sure you wrote "enabled"? |
| 18:04.10 | mihairu | PaulFertser: oh i am idiot...i wrote enable |
| 18:04.22 | PaulFertser | mihairu: i suspected exactly that ;) |
| 18:04.29 | mihairu | :)) |
| 18:06.05 | DocScrutinizer | mihairu: I think ther have been other "idiots" before ;-) |
| 18:06.19 | mihairu | :) |
| 18:06.49 | max_posedon | mihairu, some typo errors is quite normal |
| 18:07.06 | max_posedon | enable fso-abyss for example wasn't easy because of one) |
| 18:07.19 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't there a typo even in fso specs wrt that? |
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| 18:08.12 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i just checked it, right now it's correct. :) |
| 18:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | max_posedon: "_type" was meant "_typo" ;-P |
| 18:08.59 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: that was me who added that _type to SHR config |
| 18:09.12 | dos1 | but that was what mickeyl said on IRC ;x |
| 18:09.20 | max_posedon | dos1, you?! so remove it!) |
| 18:09.25 | dos1 | max_posedon: it's removed |
| 18:09.29 | max_posedon | fine |
| 18:09.30 | dos1 | (i think) |
| 18:09.38 | max_posedon | yesterday it wasn't |
| 18:09.40 | DocScrutinizer | dos1: so you agree it should have been _typo instead? |
| 18:09.49 | dos1 | hehe |
| 18:09.52 | max_posedon | and taked one my and DocScrutinizer's hour) |
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| 18:11.19 | dos1 | yep, it's fixed |
| 18:11.22 | dos1 | ti_calypso_muxer = gsm0710muxd |
| 18:11.23 | dos1 | #ti_calypso_muxer = fso-abyss |
| 18:11.29 | dos1 | that's what is in config now |
| 18:11.45 | dos1 | and it was fixed 2 days ago |
| 18:11.54 | dos1 | 2009-06-19 08:03:55 +0200 |
| 18:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if we should have a 'sed s/muxd/abyss/ frameworkd' postinstall script for abyss |
| 18:14.20 | beer_ | maybe http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qt_Extended_Improved and http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page should be linked to each other? |
| 18:15.56 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: i think we should provide fso-abyss in images and set is as default |
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| 18:49.22 | feugan3333 | How do you copy files from your pc onto your openmoko sd card? SCP? |
| 18:49.48 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: yes |
| 18:50.00 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: or take out the card and use a cardreader. |
| 18:50.13 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: some folks tried NFS |
| 18:50.45 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, Ok, I thought there was something like a obex, so I can transfer via bluetooth. |
| 18:51.13 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: there is |
| 18:51.39 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: obexftp, obexpushd work for me here |
| 18:52.02 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, ah ok. Thanks I'll give that a try |
| 18:54.03 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: it looks a bit weird to type terminal commands to transfer files but, well, it works |
| 18:54.36 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, Is there a way to enable/disable bluetooth via the gui? om2009 |
| 18:55.00 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: i think yes, there is. Have you tried looking at paroli manuals and such? |
| 18:57.42 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, No I haven't looked, but I've been searching the wiki for info on bluetooth. |
| 18:57.44 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: also i think paroli sources code should be easily understandable, don't hesitate to look at it |
| 18:57.44 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, Ok the wiki says that gui configuration is not present |
| 18:57.44 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, Ok, will do :) |
| 18:57.44 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: wiki is outdated i guess. I can say for sure paroli has gui wifi manager now. |
| 18:58.16 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, but wifi is wireless lan, not bluetooth |
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| 18:58.48 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: yes, but adding one switch to gui configurator is easier than implementing a connman-based wifi manager, so i suspect it was done. |
| 18:59.16 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, I see |
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| 19:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | feugan3333: I use sftp://root@192.168.0.202 from konqueror. Very convenient |
| 19:05.40 | feugan3333 | DocScrutinizer, Very cool. I'm on Ubuntu (gnome) but it has something similar |
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| 19:24.33 | PaulFertser | Does anyone know a decent project to donate cpu cycles of my work PC to? |
| 19:26.18 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rcbdee1601f26 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: Messages: fix possible duplicating incoming messages |
| 19:28.44 | Weiss | PaulFertser: i put some of our work machines onto World Community Grid |
| 19:29.06 | Weiss | PaulFertser: there are many projects within that, and you can restrict your donation if you choose |
| 19:30.01 | PaulFertser | Weiss: i'm yet to find a project that doesn't use proprietary code on client machines or at least has all the data produced by calculations available for free to other scientists. |
| 19:32.04 | Weiss | hmm, ok |
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| 19:35.26 | PaulFertser | Weiss: i think free software ideas were largely inspired by how "good" science works, so it's just inappropriate to not provide the data obtained to the other researches. I can't understand why all those distributed projects are so closed both in software and in providing raw data :( |
| 19:36.46 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, what about folding@home |
| 19:36.58 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: same shit afaik |
| 19:37.19 | PaulFertser | (by shit i mean that it's not open enough, not that the project itself is shit) |
| 19:37.34 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, Oh ok |
| 19:39.59 | Weiss | yeah :( |
| 19:40.10 | Weiss | i know (from the inside) that researchers are very cagey about their results |
| 19:40.27 | Weiss | it's too much about raising prestige, not getting "scooped" and preparing for the next grant proposal |
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| 19:44.02 | PaulFertser | Weiss: does it mean that the science is getting more closed than before? Or was it always like that? |
| 19:44.57 | Weiss | PaulFertser: i don't really know, since i'm only a young scientist at the start of my career. i think it was always about the "scoopage", but perhaps less about the money |
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| 19:47.12 | Weiss | i hate the idea that i'll have to "sell" my work. i'm a useless salesman |
| 19:47.59 | PaulFertser | Weiss: hopefully you'll be able to find a team with a good "salesman" so he'll do it for you :D |
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| 19:49.56 | Weiss | yeah.. but as you get more senior, you eventually have to.. |
| 19:50.11 | Weiss | well.. it's theoretically possible to be a post-doc ("hired research goon") forever |
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| 19:50.27 | Weiss | at present i have no burning desire to be a group leader |
| 19:51.18 | PaulFertser | Weiss: probably one doesn't need to get "more senior" at all, after all life is about enjoyment, not about career (that is a false target that doesn't make one happy afaik). |
| 19:51.21 | feugan3333 | What do you guys use to play music on your freerunner? I tried fingertier but it's not working. |
| 19:51.39 | mihairu | hi guys....i have a problem with debian on FR...i have now wifi enabled but when I connect to any network, dhcp didnt connect, any ideas? |
| 19:52.13 | Weiss | PaulFertser: true... |
| 19:52.43 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: OE-based distros use intone. Also mplayer works for everybody. I tried potamus but it has no gui way to select which files to load in playlist. |
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| 19:54.27 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, thanks |
| 19:54.43 | lindi- | mihairu: which kernel? |
| 19:54.51 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: just take care to avoid FPU-using codecs. |
| 19:55.09 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: use libmad for mp3 and vorbisi (tremor) for ogg. |
| 19:55.31 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, ok cool |
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| 20:03.06 | mihairu | lindi-: 2.6.29-rc3 |
| 20:04.28 | lindi- | mihairu: that probably has the known wifi bug? |
| 20:06.17 | mihairu | lindi-: i have this kernel from OM and here worked everything well |
| 20:06.28 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, I'm getting this error when running intone: error while loading shared libraries: libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0, Any idea which package I should install for that library |
| 20:06.36 | lindi- | mihairu: yes the bug won't be triggered always |
| 20:07.07 | PaulFertser | feugan3333: no idea, try to search yourself or wait |
| 20:08.08 | feugan3333 | PaulFertser, ok np. |
| 20:09.35 | mihairu | lindi-: oh so downgrading kernel would help? |
| 20:11.43 | lindi- | mihairu: for example |
| 20:11.58 | lindi- | mihairu: please study the bug report |
| 20:12.47 | mihairu | lindi-: ok and at what bugtracker it is? |
| 20:15.19 | dos1 | someone interested in testing opimd messages? :) |
| 20:15.39 | dos1 | testing gui isn't ideal yet, but it stores incoming messages to sqlite database |
| 20:16.16 | dos1 | so no more "sim full"! :) |
| 20:20.28 | mihairu | lindi-: i find it thx for help :) |
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| 20:48.39 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: Hi! Sorry, I didn't continue my gta01 stuff yet. Working on some uC related stuff right now... |
| 20:48.55 | PaulFertser | toxx__: sure, just don't forget about that stuff, ok? |
| 20:49.10 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: Sure :-) |
| 20:49.17 | PaulFertser | toxx__: can you share what uC project are you doing? |
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| 20:49.26 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: yes, working on simulavr. |
| 20:49.34 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: simulavrxx to be exact. |
| 20:50.25 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: so... has nothing to with OM :-) |
| 20:51.30 | PaulFertser | toxx__: i never understood how to use simulators and debugged by flashing code to target. |
| 20:51.58 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: well, the problem is that there are no good free AVR simulators yet. |
| 20:52.23 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: and that there is not really an *accepted* framework for digital simulation yet. |
| 20:52.44 | PaulFertser | toxx__: i can't understand how to use even an ideal simulator. |
| 20:56.22 | PaulFertser | toxx__: because uC's (especially cheap 8-bit parts) are used primarily to control other hardware. And for debugging one would need to simulate all that hardware too. Which is an enourmous task. As more advanced AVR uCs already have jtag in-target debugging and many older parts have a proprietary debug interface too i can't see benefits of simulation. |
| 20:56.55 | PaulFertser | toxx__: (that's my uneducated view on that topic; it'd be interesting to hear other POVs). |
| 21:00.04 | PaulFertser | toxx__: also hopefully 8-bit uCs are not BGA so one can easily solder it by hand to get hardware to debug on. |
| 21:00.07 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: my POV is that you're partly right :) Models should exist for the periphery, too, and the simulator should fit into the whole setup. I think especially for time-critial things (software based bit banging protocols for example) and interaction with analog stuff, it is not always possible to use breakpoints and step through the code. Therefore simulation, *with* periphery. Unfortunately, the FOSS community apparently did not yet decid |
| 21:00.07 | toxx__ | e on a standard for simulation. |
| 21:00.53 | toxx__ | (Meaning: on an open standard to interconnect simulated HW and core simulators and hardware description languages etc.) |
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| 21:01.27 | PaulFertser | toxx__: what are the benefits comparing to debugging in-target with jtag? |
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| 21:02.05 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: the benefit would be obvious for example with a software implemented UART and the counter-part all in simulation. |
| 21:02.18 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: if you interrupt with jtag during the simulation, your SW uart will fail. |
| 21:02.48 | toxx__ | s/simulation/reality |
| 21:02.49 | toxx__ | :-) |
| 21:03.40 | PaulFertser | toxx__: i see little use in software implemented UART, it's usually not hard to get serial working in hardware. |
| 21:04.29 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: well, for the small 8bit things, there is often simply no HW to use. |
| 21:04.58 | PaulFertser | toxx__: sorry, i fail to understand your latest statement. |
| 21:06.09 | toxx__ | if you have a core without any integrated periphery (e.g. attiny11) and want to have it produce a serial data stream, interrupting the device with jtag will interfere with the timing of your sw-based uart. |
| 21:08.16 | PaulFertser | toxx__: sure |
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| 21:08.18 | toxx__ | this goes back to your above statement that the simulation of periphery is an enormous task. It is. But I think it divides more or less cleanly into models for various building blocks which could then be written and interconnected in a proper sw environment. |
| 21:09.00 | PaulFertser | toxx__: you can emulate uart and other common blocks, sure. But i think most debugging time is spent on something more task-specific. |
| 21:10.20 | toxx__ | .. and although it is more work up-front, it pays. one can monte-carlo simulate faults, device tolerances, do profiling of the code, do advanced stack analysis etc.pp. |
| 21:11.04 | PaulFertser | toxx__: yes, this reasoning sounds more appealing to me. |
| 21:11.56 | toxx__ | well, but as you said it is an enormous task. Add to this the general fragmentation tendencies in foss and there is not really much progress... :| |
| 21:12.31 | PaulFertser | toxx__: probably that's just one of the cool concepts that sound fancy and useful but reality proves it's not worth it. |
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| 21:19.28 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: maybe... but OTOH the existence of several independent AVR simulators proves to me that there is at least general interest in simulation. |
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| 21:20.14 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: I just think that the missing consensus on a base platform for interconnection of simulated HW holds up progress. |
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| 21:20.46 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: for example, there is gpsim, a simulator for PICs, complete with a GUI and LCD simulation etc. |
| 21:21.07 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: why isn't there a platform where I could connect the LCD to either an AVR, PIC or a verilog model? |
| 21:23.36 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: I think a (mostly hobbyist-managed) community library of simulated hardware parts with a common interface could help a lot |
| 21:24.41 | PaulFertser | toxx__: well, i have no experience to say if i agree or not. I guess the most important is that you enjoy that stuff, so go ahead :) |
| 21:26.06 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: sure :) |
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| 21:39.12 | PaulFertser | toxx__: btw, if you have in mind some simple and cool hardware uC projects (that i can implement with freshmen students to motivate them), please share. |
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| 21:41.38 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: I'll do that! Most of my stuff is half-finished though (the usual thing with such time consuming hobbies...). Are you a course instructor? what do you teach? |
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| 21:45.57 | PaulFertser | toxx__: (my "teaching" experience is very small, started this september) to the first-year students i teach C programming. But i can also explain some basics of digital electronics (to the bright ones) and i hope that i can motivate at least somebody to do something more practical (esp. considering they're supposed to become engineers of electronic devices after graduation). Two of my students agreed to do a uC system that will monitor temperature a |
| 21:46.03 | PaulFertser | ... send SMS notifications via a nokia mobile phone (they plan to use it for their country houses). So at least there's some progress, but i want to have more interesting ideas at hands to be able to offer to others. |
| 21:47.16 | PaulFertser | toxx__: also i don't do any projects on my own because i don't enjoy working alone. |
| 21:47.16 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: well, being a physicist, I think that measuring things is interesting. |
| 21:47.36 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: i agree, working in a team is more fun. |
| 21:48.51 | PaulFertser | toxx__: i liked videos where cool things are shown using a rotating led ruler. Probably i'll try to do something like that. |
| 21:50.46 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: yes, they look fun. but I think that there are soo many of them that it is not so original anymore. maybe a rotation 3D display, such as 'rotate an OLED display' would be an interesting project. |
| 21:50.56 | toxx__ | it is probably quite a lot of work to get it right, though |
| 21:51.08 | PaulFertser | Yes, not suitable for novices. |
| 21:52.38 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: I think that for novices, most ideas are already pretty much exploited |
| 21:52.46 | toxx__ | but maybe I am not too creative |
| 21:53.30 | toxx__ | I think moderately complex but still doable and quite simple circuit are variations on the 'generate video with AVR' principle |
| 21:54.08 | toxx__ | ... that opens up the possibility to implement a complete computing environment (with additional keyboard interface, also relatively easy doable) |
| 21:54.22 | toxx__ | ... but it would probably go very quickly into the 'software only' direction.... |
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| 21:55.54 | toxx__ | for cooperation: how about a wireless mesh network using infrared diodes and tsop? |
| 21:56.45 | toxx__ | that would need a protocol to be defined first but then I think there would be alot of fun with many people connecting their equipment to each other and sending messages |
| 21:57.01 | toxx__ | and everyone having their own protocol but still interfacing with each other |
| 21:58.03 | toxx__ | you could start with 'interpret RC5 remote codes', go on with 'generate RC5 codes', and then define a packet format either sliced and encoded in RC5 or some own thing.... |
| 21:58.29 | toxx__ | ... and then something akin to TCP |
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| 21:59.53 | toxx__ | s/having their own protocol/having their own implementation of the protocol stack/ |
| 21:59.53 | toxx__ | ... |
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| 22:13.48 | PaulFertser | toxx__: wow |
| 22:14.03 | toxx__ | wow? |
| 22:14.10 | PaulFertser | toxx__: that mesh network idea is very neat. |
| 22:14.36 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: well, I started such a thing, but it is half-finished in my half-junk-box now... unfortunately :( |
| 22:14.36 | PaulFertser | toxx__: if i only got enough bright and motivated students... But thanks for the idea, i like it :) |
| 22:15.18 | toxx__ | good :) |
| 22:15.52 | toxx__ | where are you teaching? |
| 22:16.44 | mjr | (sounds slightly Rainbows Endesque) |
| 22:17.28 | PaulFertser | toxx__: moscow "university" that was an "aviation technologies institute" before. Nowhere near cool :-/ |
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| 22:18.48 | toxx__ | well, to a german like me that description sounds like where the dangerous but impressive migs have been built ;-) |
| 22:19.46 | PaulFertser | toxx__: while i was a students we were constantly told about the former "fame" and so on. Probably not everything they told was a lie even. |
| 22:20.39 | toxx__ | well, probably in most older institututions, there has been someone famous at some point, so people will refer to him/her all the time. |
| 22:21.08 | PaulFertser | toxx__: but currently every single department here suck in different way. OTOH i'm given enough freedom to do almost whatever i want because there's no strong IT leader in our department at all. |
| 22:21.27 | toxx__ | PaulFertser: well, isn't that great in a way? :-) |
| 22:23.01 | toxx__ | in my university, the most 'problematic' department is probably the travel office. we call it 'trouble office'... :-) |
| 22:24.04 | PaulFertser | toxx__: it's compensated by various ungreat things, especially the fact that most students do not want (or can not) study, the fact that we don't have any points system that can help to avoid subjective factors on exams, the fact that some students will stay whatever we say about them (because they're "special") and we can't even kick out more than particular amount because we'll have to kick out some teachers too etc. |
| 22:25.48 | toxx__ | hmm.. here in germany, people introduced such a point system with the split from diploma -> bachelor/master. not everyone is convinced that it is a good idea. And I do no not have any clue on the probable effects... |
| 22:26.18 | PaulFertser | toxx__: i sometimes wish i could take some position at some European university to do some interesting research in a team... For that i lack 1. enough motivation 2. TOEFL or other "good" certificate (i've only FCE). |
| 22:26.49 | PaulFertser | toxx__: and probably qualification too :) |
| 22:27.26 | toxx__ | ? |
| 22:27.37 | toxx__ | you're teaching... can't be too bad? |
| 22:28.22 | toxx__ | well, I do not want to ask. |
| 22:28.50 | PaulFertser | toxx__: well, i don't know CS :( i'm more of ad-hoc self-teached guy. Never did more than 20 lines in lisp. |
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| 22:29.59 | PaulFertser | toxx__: otoh it's somehow not necessary to be involved in most real-life projects. I usually understand kernel code, drivers, stuff like that. |
| 22:30.26 | toxx__ | is your department engineering or CS? |
| 22:30.43 | PaulFertser | toxx__: engineering :) |
| 22:31.09 | toxx__ | so... you do not need to know CS :-) |
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| 22:33.37 | PaulFertser | toxx__: so, what do i need to obtain a position then? ;) |
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| 22:37.37 | toxx__ | in germany? at a university? for research? I think for any research work you need a diploma in a technical field as formal qualification. But that's about it. |
| 22:38.08 | toxx__ | (and you need to convince other's that you're the right guy. Which is probably always the hardest thing to do...) |
| 22:38.22 | PaulFertser | toxx__: i have magister degree in "design and technology of electronic systems" |
| 22:39.33 | PaulFertser | toxx__: one more data point for you to have a complete picture of russian educational system: here many guys go to an institute to avoid the mandatory military service. And half of a girls (according to rumors) to find a good husband. |
| 22:39.39 | toxx__ | is magister==bachelor or magister==master? |
| 22:40.03 | PaulFertser | toxx__: magister > specialist/engineer > bachelor |
| 22:40.12 | toxx__ | sounds good? |
| 22:40.49 | toxx__ | so the guys avoiding the military are the unmotivated ones then? |
| 22:41.45 | PaulFertser | toxx__: yes, they don't really need education, they just want fun and to avoid being a soldier. |
| 22:42.06 | PaulFertser | toxx__: is zero german language knowledge ok too? |
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