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| 04:23.20 | Yanroy | hey all |
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| 04:23.27 | Yanroy | I'm attempting to update my system with opkg |
| 04:23.51 | Yanroy | when I run it, after doing a bunch of stuff, it prints out "fork failed, segmentation fault"... any idea how to fix or workaround? |
| 04:25.00 | Q-Master | no memory? |
| 04:25.30 | Yanroy | ? |
| 04:26.23 | Yanroy | df shows only 40% full on /, top shows 37mb free RAM |
| 04:27.11 | df | gives you 40% |
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| 04:29.05 | whistlingtony_ | Huh... IRC. It's been a LONG time. Howdy all! I'm staring at a new Freerunner.... |
| 04:29.40 | ndnihil | congrats |
| 04:30.43 | whistlingtony_ | does anyone have a distribution to recommend? I had planned on dorking around with this thing.... Until I misplaced my phone while camping this weekend. Suddenly it's a little more important to me that it works. So far I've flashed to OM2008.12. I'm downloading apps right now.... |
| 04:30.57 | ndnihil | SHR or OM2009 are the popular ones |
| 04:30.58 | whistlingtony_ | I miss aptitude |
| 04:31.11 | ndnihil | you can install debian on it if you wish |
| 04:32.17 | whistlingtony_ | Hmm.... OM2009 is working well? The wiki page made it sound as if it was less than stellar. |
| 04:32.22 | Yanroy | so, no one else has seen segfaults in opkg? |
| 04:32.46 | Yanroy | whistlingtony_: I upgraded to it from 2008.10 and it's way better, though far uglier. I can't speak to 2008.12 |
| 04:32.49 | ndnihil | yanroy: I got a couple, but it was out of memory |
| 04:33.06 | Yanroy | ndnihil: how did you detetrmine it was out of memory, and what did you do to fix it? |
| 04:33.20 | whistlingtony_ | so far, 2008.12 seems..... spartan. :D |
| 04:33.44 | Yanroy | whistlingtony_: you'll probably think 2009 is more spatan |
| 04:33.48 | Yanroy | *spartan |
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| 04:35.09 | ndnihil | Yanroy: because it was out of memory (try free -m), and to remedy it I dumped FDOM in favor of <whatever it was I installed after that> |
| 04:35.10 | whistlingtony_ | Hmm... I think I will try debian, just to have good old aptitude and the like back. Is it much work to adapt it to being a phone? I did read the wiki, and it doesn't seem THAT bad... any personal experiences? |
| 04:36.00 | Yanroy | ndnihil: free -m shows 36, if I'm reading it right. what's FDOM? |
| 04:36.01 | ndnihil | whistlingtony_: it's slow, and while not unusable as a phone, it's not as polished as SHR or OM, not that they are quite consumer-ready yet |
| 04:36.13 | ndnihil | FDOM is a dist for the FR |
| 04:36.22 | ndnihil | its bloated and unusable (in my opinion) |
| 04:36.26 | Yanroy | I see |
| 04:36.37 | whistlingtony_ | ah, thanks ndnihil. |
| 04:36.56 | Yanroy | does OM have lower runlevels that don't run a GUI but will keep the SSH alive? |
| 04:39.31 | ndnihil | Yanroy: I dont recall (running SHR-unstable at the moment) |
| 04:39.42 | ndnihil | you can just kill off the X server though |
| 04:40.07 | ndnihil | /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop |
| 04:41.37 | whistlingtony_ | thanks for the advice all.... Heh, I'm sure I'll be back. |
| 04:41.43 | whistlingtony_ | g'night! |
| 04:41.52 | Yanroy | heh... I don't suppose there's actually any way to type in the tty you get when the X server is stopped? :) |
| 04:41.55 | Yanroy | night |
| 04:42.10 | Blu3 | yanroy, opkg segfaults frequently |
| 04:42.18 | Blu3 | for a number of reasons |
| 04:42.27 | Blu3 | opkg is not a good package manager |
| 04:42.35 | Yanroy | yep... |
| 04:42.44 | Yanroy | I've been wishing for yum + rpm since day one... |
| 04:42.57 | ndnihil | Yanroy: yes you can still interact with the tty, as long as it's by way of SSH and not X :) |
| 04:43.07 | Blu3 | i'm moving to gentoo as soon as i can, i love the way emerge works |
| 04:43.14 | Yanroy | emerge is pretty cool |
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| 04:43.54 | Q-Master | Yanroy: it might be an out of mem clause. the opkg installing is a way memory eating. |
| 04:44.08 | Q-Master | it depacks into ram IMO |
| 04:44.12 | Q-Master | just make a swap 8) |
| 04:44.21 | Yanroy | hrm |
| 04:44.22 | Q-Master | swap file e.x. |
| 04:44.35 | Yanroy | or I'll just kill things until it work :P |
| 04:44.58 | Q-Master | and then swapon /media/card/my_greatest_swappie |
| 04:45.05 | Q-Master | 8) |
| 04:45.11 | Blu3 | that's not the only reason it crashes. fork failure, killed, segfault, etc. i added 500M swap from SD and it still crashes |
| 04:45.20 | Yanroy | ouch, 500M? |
| 04:45.28 | Yanroy | so killing things is not a valid approach... |
| 04:45.38 | Q-Master | Blu3: that's wrong. should not be |
| 04:45.44 | Yanroy | and yeah, I'm getting the fork failure message, followed quickly by segfault |
| 04:45.46 | Blu3 | i thought maybe opkg was insanely eating large amounts of ram that i wasn't catching so i tried a huge swap |
| 04:46.08 | Yanroy | it's running a lot longer now that I killed X, so maybe it will complete this time |
| 04:46.14 | Yanroy | hopefully it won't crash while it's flashing something... |
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| 04:46.46 | Blu3 | right now i'm trying to get the new libc stuff installed. can't do it. opkg just falls over and dies |
| 04:46.48 | ndnihil | you aren't in-OS when flashing |
| 04:47.07 | ndnihil | so unless your bootloader crashes, you should be fine |
| 04:47.37 | Blu3 | actually opkg flashes when updating the kernel |
| 04:47.39 | Yanroy | I thought I've seen opkg flash new kernels |
| 04:47.50 | ndnihil | ah, I haven't used it for kernel |
| 04:47.59 | ndnihil | I always do kernels by way of DFU |
| 04:49.32 | Blu3 | bbiab, time to get bubbly |
| 04:50.18 | Blu3 | oh, yanroy, try increasing file-max; echo 32768 > /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
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| 04:55.44 | Yanroy | Blu3: if this fails again, I'll try that... thanks |
| 04:55.49 | Yanroy | so far it's gone much further than last time |
| 05:02.29 | Blu3 | good |
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| 05:08.33 | Yanroy | I wish I'd chosen to have it automatically install files from the packages instead of prompting me each time it gets confused... |
| 05:08.39 | Yanroy | this is taking forever :P |
| 05:11.16 | Yanroy | so is midori the browser of choice for OM2009? |
| 05:11.31 | ndnihil | midori sucks |
| 05:11.34 | ndnihil | I prefer dillo |
| 05:11.39 | Yanroy | and is the package called "midori"? the wiki page about the different browsers is suspiciously silent on the topic of packages |
| 05:11.46 | Yanroy | ok, dillo then... |
| 05:11.59 | Yanroy | there was also one starting with an F that seemed like it might be good |
| 05:12.01 | Blu3 | i don't browse much w/ my fone, but i use dillo a lot. i just reinstalled midori to check it out |
| 05:12.16 | Yanroy | I suppose there's no reason not to install all of them |
| 05:12.27 | Yanroy | shit... just got a bunch of fork errors |
| 05:12.33 | ndnihil | doh |
| 05:12.33 | Yanroy | I hope I did'nt just brick my phone |
| 05:12.47 | ndnihil | I doubt it |
| 05:13.09 | ndnihil | to brick it you would have to fuck over your bootloader |
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| 05:17.51 | Yanroy | any idea what "batget" process is? |
| 05:17.59 | Yanroy | also, can you tell me how to set up a swap file? |
| 05:18.20 | Yanroy | nvm... I'm going to reboot and pray it is still alive. I need to go to bed |
| 05:18.25 | Yanroy | I'll come back tomorrow night |
| 05:18.33 | Yanroy | thanks for your help though |
| 05:19.47 | ndnihil | batget grabs the battery status if I remember right |
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| 05:31.55 | Undrwater | any workaround for navit freezing opkg upgrade? |
| 05:32.13 | Undrwater | besides remove / reinstall? |
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| 05:55.08 | panicking | mickey|zzZZzz, Hi |
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| 08:21.26 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5142 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/gta02_power.lib gta02-core.pro): Add GTA02 power |
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| 08:48.23 | leila | why does pcmanfm keep eating cpu >_> |
| 08:48.35 | PaulF|bipless | leila: strace it ;) |
| 08:49.23 | leila | its a filemanager, that I know |
| 08:50.59 | leila | I'll let it run for a while .. openmoko needs patience |
| 08:52.30 | PaulF|bipless | leila: it looks like you think that my advice to strace was a joke. |
| 08:54.10 | leila | PaulF|bipless, its more like I do not know how to |
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| 09:09.23 | leila | there managed to install the tool .. now to kill the program and run it again |
| 09:09.32 | PaulF|bipless | leila: |
| 09:09.33 | PaulF|bipless | no |
| 09:09.53 | PaulF|bipless | leila: You don't need to kill it, that's one of the best things about strace. |
| 09:09.58 | PaulF|bipless | leila: just specify the pid. |
| 09:10.48 | leila | ah ok |
| 09:11.13 | leila | that was not in the piece I read |
| 09:12.38 | leila | PaulF|bipless, and how does one do that when the program keeps starting ;) |
| 09:12.57 | leila | at least its pid keeps changing in top |
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| 09:17.22 | leila | hmm looks like restarting x worked ... disabled matchbox as well which I started in conjunction with lxde before |
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| 09:40.23 | leila | the gps module realy needs an antenna to function ? |
| 09:41.03 | mjr | umm, yes, however, the internal one should suffice (after the software workarounds, anyway) |
| 09:41.15 | mjr | (which should be quite standard nowadays) |
| 09:41.31 | Psi_ | i only got a lock on gta01 once, when i had the phone outside for 45min |
| 09:41.44 | Psi_ | but that was last year |
| 09:42.09 | mjr | gta01 shouldn't have had big problems with that though afaik |
| 09:42.09 | Ainulindale | mickey|zzZZzz ? |
| 09:42.57 | Psi_ | do you still have to install gllin manually, or is there an opkg package? |
| 09:43.19 | mjr | iirc there's an opkg |
| 09:43.32 | leila | mjr, what work-arounds (I am using a gta02, running debian) |
| 09:43.53 | mjr | leila, presumably ones you already should have, they're quite old |
| 09:47.55 | PaulFert` | leila: moreover modern hardware revisions are supposed to work even without those workarounds (and somebody should finally check that because probably not every unit requires slowing down SD access by the factor of 8 for all the time GPS is powered!) |
| 09:50.10 | leila | PaulFert`, at the moment it is not finding any sats (using zhone to check that) |
| 09:50.26 | leila | I shall leave the phone next to the window for a while |
| 09:50.28 | PaulFert` | leila: i bet you use gps improperly. |
| 09:51.04 | leila | PaulFert`, I do not even know how to use it all at the moment |
| 09:51.32 | PaulFert` | leila: you're supposed to get the first fix outside after waiting for as much as 15 minutes (less if you're lucky). |
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| 09:52.11 | PaulFert` | leila: it can work near the window but do it really near the window then, ensuring that nothing constraints GPS ant. |
| 09:52.48 | leila | should not be a prob since wifi is working :) |
| 09:53.04 | leila | in the mean time I shall install tangogps |
| 09:58.19 | leila | PaulFert`, getting code and carrier locks now |
| 09:59.20 | PaulFert` | leila: i told ya |
| 09:59.22 | PaulFert` | leila: ;) |
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| 10:19.49 | rhkfin | leila: you might also want to give omgps a try: http://www.google.fi/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcode.google.com%2Fp%2Fomgps%2F&ei=OGY7SuD2N5bMjAff-aAP&usg=AFQjCNHn4FUefeVWQMJEoJnXdGVyo-yrpQ&sig2=gLyV7uQJ2zaBt0WpXlz8Iw |
| 10:19.53 | rhkfin | oops, sorry for the url.. |
| 10:19.59 | rhkfin | http://code.google.com/p/omgps/ |
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| 10:21.42 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: "not every unit requires slowing down SD access by the factor of 8 for all the time GPS is powered" so this is what the SW fix is. Hmm, too bad.. I can see why sometimes using up to 3 GPS apps (2 reading map tiles from uSD and two-three writing there) can kill FR.. |
| 10:22.13 | mjr | hmh, I didn't think/recall it being that bad? |
| 10:22.40 | rhkfin | That sounds very bad to me. Anyone know what the SW fix actually did? |
| 10:23.10 | mjr | I thought it was mostly not clocking the sd when not accessing it (which is only sensible) and tuning the clock signal's shape a bit if the card can take it |
| 10:23.23 | mjr | yeah, I'm questioning the information, not whether the information sounds bad |
| 10:23.48 | mjr | not strongly questioning, mind you; I'm not in a position to do that |
| 10:23.58 | mjr | I just want clarification that he knows what he's talking about |
| 10:24.39 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: first is what i mentioned |
| 10:24.52 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: second is that it turns off clock completely when SD is not used. |
| 10:25.04 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: third is that it lowers drive strength |
| 10:25.34 | mjr | okay then, clarification accepted |
| 10:25.51 | mjr | the first really practically necessary, then? |
| 10:25.57 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: first SW fix? So it's not used any more, and has been replaced by the clock thing? |
| 10:25.59 | PaulFert` | mjr: I've read the code that slows down by a factor of 8 (by default, configurable by kernel parameter) several times. Probably i'm wrong, the code is there, you can read it. |
| 10:26.32 | rhkfin | lindi-: do you know the implemantion of the SD/GPS SW-fix |
| 10:26.40 | PaulFert` | mjr: (not intending to sound too harsh, just really. I'm not that very sure that i can understand everything i see, if you want you can read it yourself) |
| 10:26.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5143 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 10:26.53 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Added memory.sch by Luke Duncan <duncan72187@gmail.com> |
| 10:26.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: (Changed to use gta02_power.lib) |
| 10:26.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Added SDRAM_1V8 to gta02_power.lib |
| 10:26.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Updated AUTHORS. |
| 10:26.57 | mjr | PaulFert`, yeah, no worries on that |
| 10:26.58 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: no, all three are used at the same itme. |
| 10:27.15 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: oh, ok.. |
| 10:27.18 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: and nobody knows if slowing down is really necessary on hardware-fixed units. |
| 10:27.41 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: ok, interesting.. Someone should have a look at this.. |
| 10:29.43 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: looks like nobody knows. mwester and others were complaining about that for half a year approx. |
| 10:30.41 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: ok. Too bad, that'd benefit many if the speed upgrade would be possible.. |
| 10:30.53 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: why don't you just try it? |
| 10:31.18 | rhkfin | PaulFert`: not equipped with coding skills |
| 10:31.29 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: change that kernel parameter, stresstest SD card and try to get a fix. No coding skills required. |
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| 10:31.57 | rhkfin | It's raining outside :) |
| 10:32.00 | mjr | :P |
| 10:32.07 | mjr | yes, that's my excuse as well |
| 10:32.42 | lindi- | rhkfin: i only read andy's commit message "Tests on access to SD Card with Glamo drive level "0" show that it reduces SD_CLK energy at 1.5GHz by 24dBm compared to drive level 3. This puts it only 6dB above the background noise floor compared to 30dB and should make a solution for GPS trouble with SD Card in." |
| 10:33.02 | lindi- | rhkfin: 2008 Nov 19 |
| 10:33.16 | rhkfin | lindi-: ok, thanks! |
| 10:33.31 | PaulFert` | lindi-: no, we're talking about other parameter here. |
| 10:34.27 | PaulFert` | lindi-: sd_slow_ratio |
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| 10:34.49 | PaulFert` | lindi-: cb559a9ddbd67883ec2e328ed69f9ad68768b4de |
| 10:35.12 | PaulFert` | rhkfin: "you can also change it at runtime by echo 8 > /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_slow_ratio" |
| 10:35.19 | rhaeder | hi. I have started tangogps. but the position of my current position is 5,000km away from my real position. how can I fix it? |
| 10:35.37 | rhkfin | rhaeder: just wait |
| 10:35.38 | mjr | PaulFert`, right. Well, at least it's easily tunable and testable for whoever bothers... |
| 10:35.42 | PaulFert` | rhaeder: probably you need to wait more |
| 10:35.51 | PaulFert` | mjr: exactly and that was obvious |
| 10:35.52 | rhkfin | rhaeder: it takes a while (up to 15mins) to get the fix = see some satllites |
| 10:35.53 | rhaeder | okay. :) |
| 10:36.07 | lindi- | rhkfin: how many sats do you see with xgps? |
| 10:36.14 | rhkfin | rhaeder: and make sure you're outside, it's ~impossible to get the fix inside |
| 10:36.21 | PaulFert` | mjr: (to the one who can use git blame ;) ) |
| 10:36.23 | rhkfin | lindi-: now, insed? |
| 10:36.26 | rhkfin | inside |
| 10:36.28 | rhaeder | oh, ok. I'm inside |
| 10:36.31 | rhaeder | :( |
| 10:36.42 | lindi- | rhkfin: hmm, meant to ask that from rhaeder |
| 10:36.45 | PaulFert` | rhaeder: it's actually possible if you're very-very near the window. |
| 10:37.07 | rhkfin | lindi-: tangogps shows it too. rhaeder what are te x/y/z numbers in the bottom bar of tangogps? |
| 10:37.12 | PaulFert` | rhaeder: and there're no other obstacles like big houses or whatever. |
| 10:37.28 | rhaeder | ah, that was you where talking some lines above? |
| 10:37.50 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5144 10/trunk/gta02-core/memory.sch: Missed the other SDRAM_1V8. |
| 10:38.15 | rhaeder | is it in the down right corner? |
| 10:38.25 | rhaeder | rhkfin: ^ |
| 10:38.42 | rhaeder | that is 12/0/0.0 here |
| 10:38.47 | leila | PaulFert`, I have the bonus to be on 4th floor near a huge window ;) |
| 10:39.17 | rhaeder | leila: me, too. ;) |
| 10:39.26 | rhaeder | four bigger windows |
| 10:40.07 | rhkfin | rhaeder: it measn that it knows the position of 12 satellites (maybe from previous fix, I suppose you use SHR?) but sees none (the first 0). |
| 10:40.39 | rhkfin | the last no (0 as well) is a relative precision (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilution_of_precision_(GPS)) |
| 10:40.44 | PaulFert` | is sitting in a room with ceiling 5 meters over him. It's only about 3 meters to the lower side of the window. |
| 10:41.29 | rhaeder | rhkfin: I have paroli here, I do an >export DISPLAY=":0.0"< to launch X programs from SSH login :) |
| 10:44.11 | rhkfin | rhaeder: ok, great! You're using OM2009? It also is able to remember the satellite positions. |
| 10:44.37 | rhaeder | yes, I do |
| 10:44.44 | rhaeder | I try to upgrade now |
| 10:44.57 | rhaeder | I hope our sysadmin is not showing up :/ |
| 10:47.36 | rhaeder | opkg update && opkg upgrade |
| 10:47.37 | rhaeder | ;) |
| 10:48.15 | rhaeder | oh, tons of packages has been updated since my last upgrade. that was about 3 weeks ago |
| 10:49.11 | rhkfin | rhaeder: oh.. yes.. testing5 has been released. |
| 10:49.35 | rhkfin | rhaeder: you need to remove the /home/root/.e folder to make the new OM2009 (&paroli) run properly. |
| 10:50.44 | leila | hmm the ./install.sh all was to alluring to try om2009 ;) |
| 10:50.45 | rhaeder | ok, thx |
| 10:50.55 | rhaeder | and no settings will be lost? |
| 10:54.11 | rhkfin | rhaeder: well the .e settings will be lost yes (what that includes.. shouldn't be much) |
| 10:54.28 | rhaeder | what I have also discovered is that if you play songs (MP3/OGG) with sterling it plays only the first 5 seconds at most and then silent |
| 10:54.39 | rhaeder | okay |
| 10:55.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5145 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 10:55.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Definition of SDRAM_1V8 was called IO_3V3. Oops. |
| 10:55.23 | CIA-46 | openmoko: Added powers to expanded view and reviewed them. |
| 10:55.29 | leila | speaking of sound, does mplayer work on the openmoko ? |
| 10:55.36 | rhkfin | leila: yes |
| 10:55.43 | leila | nice |
| 10:56.26 | rhaeder | leila: haven't tried it yet |
| 10:56.54 | rhaeder | while the song was playing I started "top" and saw that there are other processes consuming the CPU |
| 10:57.07 | rhaeder | when I reniced them to 19 it plays perfectly |
| 11:00.17 | rhkfin | leila: I don't know how easy it is but some are using it all the time |
| 11:00.17 | leila | installing it now ;) |
| 11:01.06 | PaulFert` | leila: don't forget that FR lacks FPU so you need to force using libmad to play mp3's and libvorbisi (tremor) for oggs. |
| 11:01.08 | rhaeder | what about porting a module player to OM2009? I like listening to MOD/XM/S3M/IT files :) |
| 11:03.17 | rhaeder | or other question: is there a module player available? |
| 11:03.37 | rhaeder | oh, it is no more starting :( |
| 11:04.28 | rhaeder | I reboot it :) |
| 11:07.22 | rhaeder | the enlightenment splash screen shows up and then it turns black and crashed |
| 11:07.43 | rhaeder | "paroli stopped running unexpectedly" :( |
| 11:08.11 | rhaeder | exit code 1 |
| 11:08.29 | rhkfin | rhaeder: was the previous version testing4 or some old unstable? |
| 11:08.45 | rhaeder | I dunno, 3 weeks ago |
| 11:09.04 | rhaeder | the update was after my holiday, so about 25th May |
| 11:09.47 | rhkfin | ok.. not sure if the upgrade is supposed to work flawless for old images.. |
| 11:10.12 | rhkfin | run update & upgrade again to see everything installs ok |
| 11:10.20 | rhkfin | then restart & try again |
| 11:10.33 | rhkfin | and see /etc/opkg files if you use testing or unstable repositories |
| 11:11.02 | rhaeder | I installed paroli paroli-autostart paroli-elementary paroli-sounds paroli-theme |
| 11:11.16 | rhaeder | Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/all/Packages.gz |
| 11:11.21 | rhaeder | is testing :) |
| 11:11.26 | rhkfin | testing, ok.. |
| 11:11.47 | rhkfin | did you run opkg update; opkg upgrade? |
| 11:11.50 | rhaeder | it says "Package paroli (0.2.1+gitr97+b5d512647a63068aa4b7332f5fb15bf0c7a68b6f-r24) installed in root is up to date." |
| 11:11.54 | rhaeder | yes |
| 11:12.23 | rhkfin | ok.. hmm.. too bad.. I have no further ideas.. It might be easiest to reflash the latest testing |
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| 11:12.46 | rhaeder | then I need to backup my data first |
| 11:12.55 | rhaeder | like messages, phone book and so on |
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| 11:13.57 | rhkfin | backing up /home/root does it |
| 11:14.28 | rhaeder | ok |
| 11:14.43 | rhkfin | rhaeder: if you create /media/card/bind-home dir, it'll be used as your home dir = you can flash as many times as you want without losing your settings, phone books etc. |
| 11:15.13 | rhkfin | rhaeder: just to make sure you know, there've been some reports where Paroli lost the contacts saved in the phone -> making backups is always a good idea.. |
| 11:15.16 | rhaeder | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.24 | rhaeder | I got only this |
| 11:15.59 | rhaeder | I know, backups are life-savers ;) |
| 11:16.44 | rhaeder | ok, I try the flash |
| 11:17.22 | rhaeder | what about ~/.dbus and such? |
| 11:17.41 | rhkfin | rhaeder: that error is ok, there's no such feed existing -> just ignore it. |
| 11:17.58 | rhkfin | rhaeder: what about it? |
| 11:18.24 | rhkfin | On upgrade to testing5, AFAIK, only the ~/.e needs to be removed |
| 11:22.46 | leila | PaulFert`, seems that apt-get install mplayer works out of the box with my mpd server (ogg stream) |
| 11:23.13 | leila | tho.. it barely manages to run it in conjunction with zhone |
| 11:26.00 | PaulFert` | leila: pay attention to not use FP-using decoding library. |
| 11:26.15 | rhaeder | rhkfin: where is the download page located? I cannot find it |
| 11:27.02 | rhaeder | ok, found it |
| 11:27.25 | lindi- | leila: i use tremor |
| 11:27.39 | lindi- | leila: about 15% cpu usage to play 44100 Hz stereo ogg |
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| 11:29.57 | PaulFert` | lindi-: with mplayer? |
| 11:30.06 | rhaeder | one more question: should I use u-boot or qi? |
| 11:30.13 | Psi_ | PaulFert`: cant see any change in current draw on the kernel you compiled |
| 11:30.15 | lindi- | PaulFert`: nope, with the sample player |
| 11:30.17 | rhaeder | I have always used u-boot before because it is the default |
| 11:30.32 | rhkfin | rhaeder: rhaeder I have qi, some say it's faster. |
| 11:30.33 | lindi- | rhaeder: depends on who you ask :) |
| 11:30.43 | PaulFert` | Psi_: ok. can you measure voltages on SD card holder pins in suspend? |
| 11:30.49 | rhaeder | ok, thanks :) |
| 11:30.57 | Psi_ | i guess so |
| 11:31.10 | PaulFert` | rhaeder: that way i think you should still be using vista on your laptop :P |
| 11:31.10 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5146 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/gta02_power.lib: Add more power symbols |
| 11:31.27 | leila | lindi-, I shall try to get that installed |
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| 11:31.49 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5147 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: PMU (work in progress) |
| 11:31.50 | Psi_ | would have to remote sdcard to get at them though |
| 11:31.53 | Psi_ | remote=remove |
| 11:32.05 | Psi_ | might not be too good for sdcard |
| 11:32.09 | Psi_ | if it is powered |
| 11:32.23 | lindi- | leila: iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/ivorbisfile_example.c |
| 11:32.29 | rhaeder | aarrrhhh |
| 11:32.33 | PaulFert` | Psi_: then don't install it at all :) |
| 11:32.54 | Psi_ | that might trigger code to not power it up |
| 11:34.16 | Psi_ | something else ive noticed, i have the scope displaying current now instead of the dmm, theres lots of spikes during suspend |
| 11:34.22 | PaulFert` | Psi_: true. OTOH i don't think it can cause much harm to pull it off even when it's powered. |
| 11:34.33 | PaulFert` | Psi_: even with GSM off? |
| 11:34.41 | Psi_ | na, this is with it on |
| 11:34.46 | rhaeder | dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 11:34.58 | rhaeder | results in: No such Alternate Setting: "rootfs" |
| 11:35.00 | rhaeder | :( |
| 11:35.32 | SpeedEvil | you will get lots of spikes with it on |
| 11:35.39 | PaulFert` | Psi_: no wonder then |
| 11:35.45 | SpeedEvil | as the GSM module recieves stuff, and talks to the tower |
| 11:35.58 | Psi_ | yeah, its just they are quite powerful |
| 11:36.00 | leila | hmm another issue with playing sound, it is not integrated with using the gsm function >_> |
| 11:36.02 | Psi_ | 150mA |
| 11:36.04 | Psi_ | every second |
| 11:36.28 | Psi_ | correction, every 3 seconds |
| 11:37.27 | rhaeder | heee? |
| 11:37.31 | rhaeder | now it is working... strange |
| 11:37.47 | PaulFert` | Psi_: yeah sounds about right |
| 11:37.49 | rhaeder | dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2 <-- this is now working |
| 11:37.49 | SpeedEvil | Psi_: turn it off for the moment - tthat's a GSM firmware thing |
| 11:37.51 | rhaeder | strange |
| 11:38.16 | Psi_ | ah, so there may be more gsm firmware updates to come that low power usage? |
| 11:38.23 | PaulFert` | leila: sad but true. Probably Intone has something to offer, at least i think i remember discussions on the ML. |
| 11:38.39 | PaulFert` | Psi_: low power usage in suspend? |
| 11:38.42 | SpeedEvil | Psi_: it's average current that matters |
| 11:38.59 | Psi_ | ya |
| 11:39.01 | SpeedEvil | Psi_: not peak current - 150mA for 50ms/3s or so isn't that bad |
| 11:39.26 | PaulFert` | SpeedEvil: :) i'll let you be "Captain Obvious" today ;) |
| 11:39.43 | Psi_ | yeah, 50ms is about right |
| 11:40.03 | SpeedEvil | what's the basse current you're seeing? |
| 11:40.15 | Psi_ | 52mA (gsm on) |
| 11:40.15 | ndnihil | what's the quick/easy way to cross-compile and package existing software? |
| 11:40.26 | Psi_ | from memory it was 44mA with it off |
| 11:40.33 | ndnihil | I think my phone needs to become a handheld oscilliscope :) |
| 11:40.40 | PaulFert` | Psi_: also if deep sleep is enabled, it can reduce power consumption considerably. Unfortunately, the 0805 cap that needs replacing is glued very hard to the pcb on gta01. |
| 11:41.04 | SpeedEvil | ndnihil: google xoscope hardware - and connect to the mic port |
| 11:41.06 | PaulFert` | Psi_: but you can solder another one in parallel, there's enough place for that. See Dima Kogan's rework. |
| 11:41.20 | ndnihil | I plan on using xoscope, but via USB |
| 11:41.33 | ndnihil | just wondering what the quick way to compile and package it would be |
| 11:41.46 | SpeedEvil | PaulFert`: writing this stuff down on a wiki page would be good |
| 11:41.58 | ndnihil | I've done some cross-compiling for it, but nothing that used ./configure |
| 11:42.02 | SpeedEvil | in case you're abducted by aliens - or sleeping. :) |
| 11:42.17 | ndnihil | I figure someone has to have written a wrapper for it |
| 11:42.23 | ndnihil | but google shows me no love |
| 11:43.01 | Psi_ | where do i find Dima Kogan's rework? |
| 11:43.12 | PaulFert` | SpeedEvil: i thought all hackers capable of hardware reworks are reading the hardware ML. |
| 11:43.21 | PaulFert` | Psi_: hardware ML. Sorry, gtg. |
| 11:43.29 | Psi_ | ok |
| 11:43.30 | Psi_ | thx |
| 11:43.50 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 11:45.09 | PaulFert` | Psi_: i think i'm talking about this one: http://markmail.org/message/auw56ezsg5ws3mqs |
| 11:45.30 | ndnihil | oh sweet, angstrom already has xoscope packaged |
| 11:46.46 | Psi_ | looks to be more about recamping than deepsleep |
| 11:47.14 | SpeedEvil | wonders if a accellerometer driven xoscope is the epitomie of FR software. |
| 11:47.40 | ndnihil | what would you use the accels for? |
| 11:47.48 | ndnihil | just measure them via xoscope? |
| 11:48.09 | PaulFert` | Psi_: deepsleep provokes recamping |
| 11:48.35 | PaulFert` | Psi_: disabling deepsleep stops recamping but average current is higher. |
| 11:48.49 | Psi_ | ah |
| 11:49.07 | SpeedEvil | looks for his USB lead with cut vcc |
| 11:50.14 | SpeedEvil | Aha! |
| 11:51.50 | Psi_ | booting up with out sd or sim for voltage testing on sdcardpins atm |
| 11:52.40 | Psi_ | hm.. i always forget that, os is on sdcard, really need to flash new image to nand |
| 11:53.39 | Psi_ | bit late now, better goto bed. will have another look at it tomorrow probably |
| 11:53.40 | Psi_ | nite |
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| 11:55.56 | rhaeder | flash was aborted and screen turns off but dfu-util saiys that it has finished |
| 11:55.59 | rhaeder | hmmm |
| 11:56.21 | PaulFert` | Psi_: thanks in advance :) |
| 11:58.47 | Psi_ | np |
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| 12:00.20 | SpeedEvil | tries to remember where he put his .1R resistors |
| 12:01.44 | leila | any alternatives to zhone .. shr and om I presume |
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| 12:02.11 | rhaeder | wonders why the flash (rootfs) interrupted? or why the kernel is not booting :( |
| 12:02.20 | ndnihil | http://www.syscompdesign.com/circuitgear.htm |
| 12:02.28 | ndnihil | about the same size as the FR |
| 12:02.45 | ndnihil | I was going to make one, but that looks nicer than what I'd end up making, and fairly cheap |
| 12:03.33 | SpeedEvil | ndnihil: you've also seen the 49 digital scope? |
| 12:03.35 | SpeedEvil | $49 |
| 12:03.39 | ndnihil | er |
| 12:03.40 | ndnihil | no |
| 12:03.44 | ndnihil | link/name? |
| 12:03.49 | SpeedEvil | google! |
| 12:03.51 | ndnihil | I've got a handheld already |
| 12:03.53 | SpeedEvil | $49 digital scope |
| 12:03.56 | ndnihil | but it wasn't that cheap |
| 12:04.02 | SpeedEvil | It's not a great scope |
| 12:04.48 | ndnihil | http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/digital-storage-oscilloscope-with-panels-p-167.html |
| 12:04.51 | ndnihil | that thing? |
| 12:05.25 | rhaeder | hmmm, all md5sums are matching |
| 12:05.42 | rhaeder | I flush the kernel after I flush the rootfs, maybe some temporary bug |
| 12:05.50 | rhaeder | or weak USB power |
| 12:06.13 | rhaeder | it is a low-cost board I use here on training anyway |
| 12:07.20 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:12.52 | rhaeder | ahhh, booting again :D |
| 12:16.44 | rhaeder | hmmm, all other settings and package installations are now lost |
| 12:16.52 | rhaeder | and the screen is still black |
| 12:17.19 | rhaeder | aahh, that took long |
| 12:17.34 | rhkfin | rhaeder: onli installed packages are lost, not settings |
| 12:17.40 | rhkfin | rhaeder: yes, boot is slow. Patience... |
| 12:17.45 | rhaeder | :) |
| 12:17.58 | rhkfin | and wait until Paroli's done loading, don't play with the phone before that.. |
| 12:18.04 | rhaeder | I know it is slow. but it took longer than before |
| 12:18.12 | rhaeder | k |
| 12:18.16 | rhkfin | And anyway you might want to reboot again: the first run often has some weird things.. |
| 12:18.26 | rhkfin | the first boot is slower than others |
| 12:19.07 | rhaeder | ohhh. paroli is showing up :) |
| 12:19.47 | rhaeder | I upload now my root directory |
| 12:19.58 | rhaeder | I mean /home/root ;) |
| 12:20.59 | rhaeder | seems to work |
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| 12:27.36 | rhaeder | it is again suspending and the network connection over USB cable is lost |
| 12:27.51 | rhaeder | I had "fixed" and worked-around it but cannot recall it how |
| 12:28.14 | rhaeder | now I need to keep my phone busy |
| 12:31.44 | rhaeder | how can I switch off that suspend thing? |
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| 14:54.38 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: what's the matter? |
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| 15:03.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | PaulFert`: Psi_: please use pipermail to quote! http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-May/001193.html |
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| 15:08.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: I really wonder what you're doing. Shunt? o.O |
| 15:12.27 | SpeedEvil | PSU set to 4.2V, with current shunt with scope attached. I however couldn't find my container of low-ohm resistors, nd it diddn't like the 1R series - connected to GTA01 |
| 15:13.38 | SpeedEvil | (I'd like to be able to measure it with GSM on - which means it's got to take what - 1.3A surges - and that takes it to 3V with 1R) |
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| 15:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: gsm VDD source impedance supposed to be milli-Ohm range anyway |
| 15:30.16 | SpeedEvil | I know |
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| 15:30.37 | SpeedEvil | But in reality, with an end-of-life battery it's not |
| 15:31.37 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: a decen PSU has a shunt *prior* to voltage feedback, so you can check current with virtually 0R source impedance |
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| 15:32.27 | SpeedEvil | I don't have one. It's all integrated in a box. |
| 15:32.32 | SpeedEvil | So external is easier. |
| 15:32.47 | SpeedEvil | And .1R is better than an end-off-life battery |
| 15:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, 0R1 seems close to the edge |
| 15:33.33 | Ainulindale | Clooooooooooose to the edge! |
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| 15:34.46 | SpeedEvil | A end-of-life 1200mAh cell will _not_ have an impedence of 0.1R (after 500 cycles and a couple of years) |
| 15:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: use a hall-sensor! ;-D |
| 15:35.16 | SpeedEvil | I do have some GMR chips somewhere |
| 15:35.40 | DocScrutinizer | cool, exactly right component for this |
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| 15:36.33 | SpeedEvil | 0.1R is lots easier, and better than old battery, so... |
| 15:37.05 | bkc_ | Has anyone deployed Debian on FreeRunner ? |
| 15:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: in TPE lab, their bat-dummies had 3 x red + 3 x black 1.5mm^2 wires twisted. Figure that |
| 15:39.26 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I'm not saying it doesn't make it better to pass tests with a 1mR battery - just that in nature, in reality - 100mR or much greater will be seen. |
| 15:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | actually not that much greater |
| 15:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: plus all your other parasitary series-R are summung up on top of shunt |
| 15:41.10 | SpeedEvil | I know |
| 15:42.11 | SpeedEvil | can't find figures he scrawled down for impedence of old nokia bat |
| 15:43.08 | bkc_ | I tried to make a webcam working in my newly purchaed FreeRunner which is running Debian ( kernel 2.6.28). It appear there is only basic modules provided by Debian for FreeRunner. |
| 15:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: let me put it this way: gsm needs >=3V5, bat is supposed to be rather charged at 3V6, and spikes are >>1A |
| 15:43.50 | bkc_ | Any help for this ? |
| 15:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: also calypso datasheets mentions a max ripple voltage not to be exceeded, irrespectably of VDD voltage drop minimum |
| 15:49.36 | SpeedEvil | Well - as a datapoint - the spikes at the battery terminals of a err 12 month old GTA01 battery are 100mV |
| 15:49.38 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: just saying |
| 15:49.47 | SpeedEvil | on a call - spiking down |
| 15:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | yup, seems about right |
| 15:50.39 | DocScrutinizer | err, correct |
| 15:50.46 | SpeedEvil | so what - on the order of 100mR |
| 15:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 15:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | what I told |
| 15:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, 0R1 seems close to the edge |
| 15:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.42 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes - 'source impedence should be in the mR range' |
| 15:52.18 | SpeedEvil | And a fresh battery may just about make a few tens. IIRC. |
| 15:52.19 | DocScrutinizer | hmm , around <50 mR |
| 15:53.18 | DocScrutinizer | impedance shouldn'r rise a lot on aging |
| 15:53.38 | SpeedEvil | It does |
| 15:53.39 | SpeedEvil | lots |
| 15:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's actually the considered-dead criterion for a bat |
| 15:54.41 | SpeedEvil | http://www.fuelcon.com/cms/impedanz-fuer-batterie.html?L=1 |
| 15:55.41 | DocScrutinizer | usual failure symptom is you can't register anymore, despite good coverage |
| 15:55.59 | SpeedEvil | But if users are quite happy to use a bat with 1/2 the talk-time, as it doesn't matter to them - you will see resistances of >>100mR |
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| 15:56.26 | SpeedEvil | Which may not matter, if the testing bodies do not require testing with aging batteries. |
| 15:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | plus you see above mentioned problems |
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| 15:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | also I think impedance increase and capacity degradation are two distinct somewhat unrelated symptoms of bat aging |
| 15:59.58 | SpeedEvil | They pretty much go hand in hand. |
| 16:00.10 | DocScrutinizer | usually, yes |
| 16:00.39 | SpeedEvil | They are caused - AIUI - by degradation of the electrodes due to cycles, and charge-state*time and temperature*time |
| 16:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | by mere incidence though (as we happen to treat bats correctly) |
| 16:01.08 | SpeedEvil | Li-ion cells inherently degrade, you can't keep them charged at room temperature. |
| 16:01.27 | DocScrutinizer | I know ;-) |
| 16:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | see ticket |
| 16:02.09 | SpeedEvil | Though I do have some cells in the freezer, for that reason. |
| 16:02.09 | grummel | Linux h1470228.stratoserver.net 2.6.18-028stab060.8 #1 SMP Mon Feb 9 20:25:36 MSK 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | overcurrent may increase Z though, without impact on C |
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| 16:03.08 | DocScrutinizer | and mere aging (by time) may degrade C with few impact on Z |
| 16:03.56 | DocScrutinizer | standard usage pattern wear of bat both go hand in hand |
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| 16:05.05 | SpeedEvil | My experience differs - batteries - new ones - charged to 100% and stored - without going to below 3V - have drastically increased Z |
| 16:05.20 | SpeedEvil | Laptop battery, in this case. |
| 16:07.05 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | well, I may have cloudy knowledge about details, but basically the statement it's a complex multi-parameter problem holds true |
| 16:07.49 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 16:08.04 | SpeedEvil | and probably depends on day of week, and phase of moon at battery plant too |
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| 16:08.48 | DocScrutinizer | at least cell chemistry is a major topic |
| 16:09.05 | SpeedEvil | major advances can make you billions. |
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| 16:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | there are actually a few quite different types of LiIon out there |
| 16:09.20 | SpeedEvil | For the clever person that manages to get a key patent for cheap car bat. |
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| 16:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | look e.g at weird data of bupbat (well that one borked on most devices nevertheless ;-) |
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| 16:12.11 | SpeedEvil | Yay! /me found barrel of stepper motors that he'd misplaced. |
| 16:12.17 | DocScrutinizer | NO idea what alien cell chemistry they used for that |
| 16:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 16:13.45 | SpeedEvil | Also explicit failures like the assorted fires. :) |
| 16:14.46 | DocScrutinizer | err, not on FR yet? |
| 16:15.38 | SpeedEvil | Not AFAIK. |
| 16:15.56 | DocScrutinizer | phoooo :-S |
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| 16:50.16 | linuxxr | finally,, software that keeps time and last for 2 days!!! |
| 16:50.49 | linuxxr | 20090617 |
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| 16:51.32 | linuxxr | good work guys |
| 16:52.53 | linuxxr | the htc my neighbor has uses a smaller screen yet has a better keyboard. so whats up with that??/// |
| 17:00.13 | SpeedEvil | You haven't coded it yet? |
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| 17:49.24 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r2dcd723c0be9 10/libfsoframework/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: create skeleton for sound system; requires alsa now |
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| 18:03.27 | pandoras_ | JEAH |
| 18:03.35 | pandoras_ | I have the Answer of the Riddle |
| 18:04.10 | pandoras_ | the suspend mode was the Reason |
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| 18:15.23 | pandoras_ | omg! no Manpages :P |
| 18:15.27 | pandoras_ | thats horrible! |
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| 18:27.27 | pandoras_ | argh! no Manpage to the Opkg |
| 18:28.03 | pandoras_ | AHA! the Parameter -help is useful :D |
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| 18:32.50 | pandoras_ | wow... the update of packages is fucking lame... |
| 18:33.05 | pandoras_ | and the signature Checkt Fails always |
| 18:33.09 | ndnihil | opkg blows for the most part |
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| 18:33.40 | ndnihil | if you think of it as less of an aptitude, and more of a simple shell script around wget and tar, it gets more bearable |
| 18:37.40 | pandoras_ | ok, something is going wrong, Fail to download |
| 18:37.46 | pandoras_ | time to read the Wiki |
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| 18:42.06 | pandoras_ | LOL its running Enlighenment 17 |
| 18:42.28 | pandoras_ | i think Fluxbox is the faster Option |
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| 18:46.33 | rhaeder | Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup() without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged |
| 18:46.38 | rhaeder | I got this with testing5 |
| 18:46.49 | rhaeder | e.g. when I launch cellhunter.py |
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| 18:49.09 | Heinervdm | rhaeder: it's because auf the new libdbus |
| 18:49.10 | rhaeder | okay |
| 18:49.11 | rhaeder | do I need to fill out a bugreport? |
| 18:49.14 | Heinervdm | had yesterday the same |
| 18:49.27 | Heinervdm | don't know |
| 18:49.44 | Heinervdm | it's only a warning |
| 18:51.08 | rhaeder | I have a lot trouble with testing5 now |
| 18:51.45 | rhaeder | before I could plugin the USB cable and the FR fires up, but now it shows a "snowy" picture from last buffer, I guess |
| 18:52.10 | rhaeder | oh, it doesn't came up :( |
| 18:53.21 | rhaeder | and plugging the USB cable in while the kernel boots - the INIT line wasn't there - crashes the FR :( |
| 18:53.47 | rhaeder | and the X server is not the last one being started. you should change that |
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| 19:01.00 | rhaeder | another one: I plugged the USB cable in while FR is booted into paroli and it didn't detect it, that is is AC-powered now |
| 19:01.00 | rhaeder | and yes, the suspend-bug is still there :( |
| 19:01.00 | rhaeder | I think that needs to be configured in E |
| 19:02.00 | rhaeder | how do I launch englightenment configuration? |
| 19:02.20 | rhaeder | I did a export DISPLAY=":0.0" |
| 19:06.14 | rhaeder | :( |
| 19:06.40 | pandoras_ | why looks the WM in the Wikis different to my System? |
| 19:10.39 | Heinervdm | pandoras_: because you've a newer version? |
| 19:12.28 | pandoras_ | Heinervdm: hm.. looks very empty, so different |
| 19:12.53 | Heinervdm | pandoras_: you've om2009-testing5? |
| 19:13.17 | Heinervdm | the pictures in the wiki are from 2008.9 |
| 19:13.19 | pandoras_ | 2008.12 |
| 19:13.55 | Heinervdm | then it's should look like the picture in the wiki |
| 19:14.04 | Heinervdm | perhaps less programs |
| 19:14.05 | pandoras_ | its the look only a Different in the Style? Or is it a other System?/GUI/WM? |
| 19:14.51 | SpeedEvil | different everything |
| 19:14.54 | SpeedEvil | almost |
| 19:15.52 | rhaeder | http://www.nopaste.org/p/a2b6BylHU |
| 19:15.56 | rhaeder | is this known? |
| 19:15.58 | pandoras_ | i have seen, its still running under Enlightenment |
| 19:16.08 | rhaeder | a similar output when I enable photos |
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| 19:17.00 | rhaeder | and how can I register my nickname? I don't like JohnDoe |
| 19:18.45 | rhaeder | http://www.nopaste.org/p/a8Ewp9Jzhb |
| 19:18.48 | rhaeder | another one |
| 19:18.54 | rhaeder | the two lines with null |
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| 19:30.04 | fredrin | 20 hours flight from buenos aires to norway |
| 19:30.18 | fredrin | see you soon, with stable internet and low ping |
| 19:30.29 | rhaeder | bye |
| 19:30.42 | fredrin | chau |
| 19:31.03 | fredrin | i hope the plane wont crash if i turn on the NEO.......... |
| 19:31.11 | fredrin | :D |
| 19:33.42 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5148 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/r_us.lib: changed R_US to a more symetrical design |
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| 20:56.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5150 10/trunk/gta02-core/kicad-patches/ (fix-eeschema-libs.patch series): Fixed placement of command in the LIBS line of .sch files. |
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| 20:59.47 | rhaeder | is there a modplug/mikmod player? |
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| 21:01.50 | rhaeder | slow :( |
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| 21:15.52 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5151 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-comp.pro gta02-core-comp.sch mkloe): |
| 21:15.52 | CIA-46 | openmoko: New "schematics" for component editing only, so that we can use only |
| 21:15.52 | CIA-46 | openmoko: the combined library for the main schematics. |
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| 21:38.43 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5152 10/trunk/gta02-core/expanded/gta02-core-expanded.sch: Added text explaining the limited purpose of this file as well. |
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| 21:50.54 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5153 10/trunk/gta02-core/gta02-core.pro: Switched to combined library. |
| 21:51.45 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03werner * r5154 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib): Updated generated libs for R_US change. |
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| 22:40.29 | Psi_ | are there any alternate keyboards for shr that works when the screen is in landscape mode? |
| 22:40.59 | Psi_ | -alternate |
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| 23:23.14 | leila | nini all |
| 23:24.42 | DocMobilizer | max_posedon, how do i quickly switch #chan on xchhat? |
| 23:25.52 | SpeedEvil | alt-number? |
| 23:26.07 | DocMobilizer | max_posedon, (no tabs :-/ ) |
| 23:26.28 | DocMobilizer | SpeedEvil, let's see |
| 23:26.36 | SpeedEvil | only used it once - forgot |
| 23:27.20 | DocMobilizer | SpeedEvil, yau works. gracias |
| 23:29.35 | DocMobilizer | now if only i could get rid if this bold header-bar of terminal-kbd... |
| 23:30.47 | DocMobilizer | also xchats input area is too high |
| 23:34.06 | SpeedEvil | wishes he could find his USB-SATA adaptor, to upgrade his 'new' laptop. |
| 23:36.02 | DocMobilizer | hmm, nice inexpensive usefull gadget |
| 23:36.23 | SpeedEvil | That's why I couldn't find it. |
| 23:36.38 | DocMobilizer | EeePC? |
| 23:37.01 | SpeedEvil | I was looking for a little plastic blob - and had plugged them all together into a hub to make a USB-RAID nightmare |
| 23:37.12 | SpeedEvil | second hand x60s - at a good price. |
| 23:37.33 | DocMobilizer | aah, ok |
| 23:38.49 | SpeedEvil | same price as an eee1000, and _much_ niceer |
| 23:40.01 | DocMobilizer | hehe, pub host had a 1000 here minurw ago |
| 23:40.19 | DocMobilizer | minute even |
| 23:41.06 | DocMobilizer | with windoof --- erks |
| 23:42.31 | DocMobilizer | anyway cool pub nevertheless ;-) |
| 23:43.13 | DocMobilizer | even when sound is mp3 from 1000 atm ;P |
| 23:46.44 | DocMobilizer | SpeedEvil, shunt smoking? ;-) |
| 23:47.08 | SpeedEvil | not got it working - been doing lots of gardening and yardwork today |
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