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| 00:33.06 | fredrin | Paroli T5 seams to be working nicely |
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| 02:34.30 | badcloud | anyone awake? |
| 02:36.06 | lymeca | What's newer... Koolu Beta 7 or Michael Trimarchi's 14.6 image? |
| 02:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | badcloud: not really |
| 02:43.57 | badcloud | hehe doc |
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| 06:49.04 | sgrover | What is the default password for the current Debian distro/install? Blank and "openmoko" are not working. |
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| 06:51.38 | ndnihil | "debian" maybe? |
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| 06:53.36 | sgrover | ndnihil: thanks, but no joy |
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| 07:05.27 | sgrover | k, new question. How do you open a console from the default Zhone interface? (basically, I want to quit Zhone, without rebooting the freerunner) |
| 07:16.00 | PaulFertser | sgrover: you just kill zhone by using illume topbar |
| 07:16.19 | sgrover | um.. what illume topbar? :) |
| 07:16.43 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: yes, you press the top panel, it slides down, there you see a big cross, press cross, it kills Zhone. |
| 07:16.48 | PaulFertser | sgrover: ^^ |
| 07:16.50 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: sorry |
| 07:17.01 | sgrover | I have a grey bar with icons for toggling wifi, bluetooth, gprsm, etc. clicking the bar was doing nothing. |
| 07:17.06 | PaulFertser | sgrover: if you use another WM you'd better know how to kill windows yourself. |
| 07:17.19 | PaulFertser | sgrover: what WM do you use? |
| 07:17.44 | sgrover | I have the default Debian install (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner) |
| 07:17.57 | sgrover | installed it last night, won't let me log in today. |
| 07:18.02 | sgrover | (password issue) |
| 07:18.41 | PaulFertser | sgrover: probably that's matchbox window manager then? It has a small cross on top right of every window. |
| 07:19.08 | sgrover | whatever is running (Zhone I think) is full screen. |
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| 07:20.02 | sgrover | just about rebooted.. I'll check the bar in a second.... |
| 07:20.43 | PaulFertser | sgrover: then login via ssh and amend .xsession to your liking, what can i say... |
| 07:21.11 | sgrover | :)... except it is not letting me login.. invalid password... (blank, openmoko, debian were tried) |
| 07:21.24 | PaulFertser | sgrover: are you sure? |
| 07:21.38 | sgrover | that's what the screen was telling me... one sec. |
| 07:21.40 | PaulFertser | sgrover: that you're connecting to the FR and not to your host. |
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| 07:23.23 | sgrover | pretty sure. But, it dropped usb0 while I was trying passwords, so maybe there is something off with my host... |
| 07:23.58 | sgrover | I'll reboot my box and try again. If it doesn't work, I'll post a pastie with the command outputs.... |
| 07:24.03 | sgrover | brb |
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| 07:29.57 | sgrover | looks a little more promising. It asked for an ssh key confirmation this time. But seems to be hung up after that |
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| 07:33.07 | PaulFertser | sgrover: wait |
| 07:33.25 | sgrover | it dropped usb0 on me. |
| 07:34.03 | PaulFertser | sgrover: what? |
| 07:34.28 | sgrover | had an IP on usb0, then didn't. I'm working on a pastie.... |
| 07:35.14 | sgrover | here's what I had in my konsole window: http://pastie.org/514816 |
| 07:36.21 | sgrover | set up networking on usb0. Pinged the freerunner. ssh'd to it, was prompted to accept the key (reasonable in this case), then hang. |
| 07:36.59 | sgrover | Break, check interface, no IP address. Reapply address, try again, and passwords not being accepted. |
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| 07:37.14 | sgrover | Second time though, I think it *might* be looking at another device... |
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| 07:37.48 | sgrover | (kubuntu 9.04 64bit on AMD for my host, if that helps) |
| 07:45.33 | PaulFertser | sgrover: check your dmesg |
| 07:47.00 | sgrover | did that, nothing abnormal there. |
| 07:48.32 | sgrover | think I'll reinstall debian and pay more attention to the end process this time.. :) |
| 07:48.56 | sgrover | back in a few hours, or maybe tomorrow. Thanks for the moral support though.. :) |
| 07:49.08 | PaulFertser | sgrover: no |
| 07:49.11 | PaulFertser | sgrover: reinstall is wrong |
| 07:49.21 | PaulFertser | sgrover: you can boot from nand and theck the configuration |
| 07:49.51 | PaulFertser | sgrover: in your paste i see no ip assigned on usb0 |
| 07:50.00 | PaulFertser | sgrover: at first |
| 07:50.45 | PaulFertser | sgrover: then you do that but it's lost again. Looks like host problems! Most probably some network manager interfering. |
| 07:51.03 | sgrover | right. Cuz I just plugged the device, and haven't configured /etc/network/interfaces on the host yet. |
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| 07:51.31 | sgrover | could be. knetworkmanager can be buggy at times. (it's gotten lots better though) |
| 07:51.41 | PaulFertser | sgrover: i don't use any network manager anywhere. |
| 07:51.56 | sgrover | k, let me add an entry in network/interfaces, see if that resolves things. |
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| 08:06.27 | sgrover | PaulFertser: still no joy. connection is staying more stable now, but still failing passwords. |
| 08:12.51 | PaulFertser | sgrover: still looks like host problems |
| 08:13.05 | sgrover | agreed. |
| 08:13.52 | PaulFertser | sgrover: triple-check you're trying to access FR and not some random PC. Probably /sbin/arp output will give you a hint. |
| 08:14.33 | sgrover | not an issue here. My local IPs are on 172.16.x.y range. There are no 192.168.x.x devices on my network. |
| 08:14.53 | sgrover | except the FR of course. |
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| 08:20.40 | PaulFertser | sgrover: traceroute probably can help |
| 08:21.41 | sgrover | checking out some of the ideas/issues mentioned at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others |
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| 09:07.24 | leila | Hi all, is there any concensus about which distro is best to use on the GTA02. I am considering using Android with the default bootloader. |
| 09:07.37 | Ainulindale | Well I'd suggest SHR but I'm partial |
| 09:07.46 | leila | I am trying to get as much features of the phone operational |
| 09:08.08 | PaulFertser | leila: android is proprietary crap, how dare you to consider it? |
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| 09:08.57 | PaulFertser | leila: i'd suggest SHR unstable too. For a phone user. Or debian for more developer-oriented usage. |
| 09:13.41 | leila | PaulFertser debian as in the same as I could get on the desktop compiled for the arm ? |
| 09:16.31 | PaulFertser | leila: yes |
| 09:16.49 | PaulFertser | leila: but with ability to use telephony. I use FR as my only cellphone and i use only debian there. |
| 09:18.36 | leila | PaulFertser: reading the wiki page now looks good |
| 09:18.52 | mjr | debian/fso working half-decently these days? |
| 09:21.09 | PaulFertser | mjr: fso is the same and is working the same as on SHR or OM2009. |
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| 09:22.00 | leila | PaulFertser: seems that it will be debian. Also seems that I am no longer having a phone but a pc in my back pocket ;) |
| 09:23.06 | mjr | maybe I should install debian on the repair-returned freerunners when I find the time and energy... |
| 09:23.14 | mjr | again :] |
| 09:23.48 | mjr | (indeed I find debian a better environment for developer aspirations, even though sadly they've mostly dwindled during this time) |
| 09:26.57 | leila | I just love opensource |
| 09:30.56 | leila | mjr what broke your phone ? |
| 09:31.58 | leila | PaulFertser: curious is there a java arm port available ? |
| 09:32.41 | PaulFertser | leila: yes, it is. I've never tried it but i know some guys had some success with some apps. You'll find some information on the wiki. |
| 09:34.32 | mjr | one had the aux button go silent, other had display probs from day one but took a while to accurately pin it on the hardware |
| 09:35.42 | PaulFertser | mjr: what was with the aux button? All reports i've seen are about weak solder-joint, so it's not a problem because one can easily solder it back. |
| 09:35.57 | mjr | probably just that |
| 09:36.14 | mjr | but I didn't want to void the warranty (from pulster) by doing it myself |
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| 09:55.02 | leila | one thing that I still need to get used to is the lack of weight from the freerunner |
| 09:55.18 | leila | it looks big and heavy, but its not |
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| 09:55.57 | Weiss | i'm sure you can put a slug of lead steel in the empty space next to the battery :) |
| 09:56.14 | leila | XD |
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| 10:15.14 | leila | PaulFertser: seems that a 512 smd is a bit to small to fit debian, is this still the case ? |
| 10:17.35 | PaulFertser | leila: i used debian on 512Mb several days until i bought 8Gb. uSD are damn cheap these days. So i guess 512 is ok for a start. |
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| 10:27.24 | leila | PaulFertser: I see I shall have a dry run with the 512 and order (which I planned anyway) a 8 gb one |
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| 10:46.48 | leila | Is there a list of supported uSD cards for the GTA02 or are there no compatibility issues ? |
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| 10:49.50 | max_posedon | wiki has page about it |
| 10:55.56 | leila | max_posedon: where is that page ? |
| 10:57.11 | max_posedon | wiki.openmoko.org ->serach list supported microSD |
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| 11:03.35 | PaulFertser | leila: otoh if some card works with cardreader and doesn't work with FR it's a perfect opportunity to find and fix some bug. |
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| 11:07.47 | methril|work | PaulFertser: sure, i've one, but i see that it works fine with linux, but doesn't work in boot (u-boot) IIRC never u-boot correct some issues with uSD and uSD-HC |
| 11:07.56 | methril|work | i don't know Qi |
| 11:10.20 | PaulFertser | methril|work: i don't care about u-boot :p |
| 11:10.36 | methril|work | PaulFertser: :) |
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| 12:09.11 | PaulFertser | Oh fuck! Gmail doesn't allow me to send executables in attachments! Fuck! Screw them, i need a new reliable mail service :( |
| 12:09.38 | SpeedEvil | pgp |
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| 12:10.45 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: i've signed my mail |
| 12:11.03 | playya | signing is not enough |
| 12:11.16 | playya | but you can pack them into 42.zip ;) |
| 12:11.57 | max_posedon | don't sign, encrypt! |
| 12:13.17 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: first of all, it's not secret, second, that guy doesn't use pgp/gpg. |
| 12:13.25 | PaulFertser | Plain stupid, ridiculous. |
| 12:13.30 | PaulFertser | Fuck google |
| 12:13.39 | max_posedon | ha-ha, why not fuck windows?) |
| 12:13.43 | max_posedon | e.g. Microsoft |
| 12:13.57 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: how does it matter? It's their policy to prohibit sending of binaries. |
| 12:13.59 | max_posedon | I think google allows send ELFs) |
| 12:14.45 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i'm mad because of the restriction itself, not because it prohibits something or other. I'd be as mad if they prohibited sending/receiveing word documents. |
| 12:15.21 | PaulFertser | playya: it was tar.gz packed btw |
| 12:15.33 | DieMumiee | Bosch does not allow sending zip files |
| 12:15.40 | DieMumiee | so people called them foobar.pizza |
| 12:15.55 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, it is free(as bear) service |
| 12:16.01 | playya | hmm. is it possible set a password for gz? |
| 12:16.02 | max_posedon | they can do whatever they want |
| 12:16.28 | SpeedEvil | wants free bear! |
| 12:16.46 | playya | DieMumiee, the are only looking at the extensions. not at the magic bytes? |
| 12:16.52 | DieMumiee | sure |
| 12:17.03 | DieMumiee | everything else would make too much sense |
| 12:17.12 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: so? i don't like stupidity and restrictions in any service. And i counted on gmail for long time :-/ |
| 12:17.31 | playya | muhahaha. maybe i should apply with a .zip file |
| 12:18.11 | DieMumiee | nah .. you dont want to work there |
| 12:18.49 | playya | i need a bachelor thesis and the have an interesting topic |
| 12:18.56 | SpeedEvil | ponders starting a email service for OM users. |
| 12:19.04 | SpeedEvil | Guarantteed 6 9's reliability. |
| 12:19.10 | SpeedEvil | (9.99999%) |
| 12:19.20 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rfc1ede3994bf 10/framework/objectquery.py: objectquery: use dbuscache.dbusInterfaceForObjectWithInterface |
| 12:19.21 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r4993a0cff2a0 10/framework/resource.py: resource: add exception logger |
| 12:19.22 | CIA-46 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra4ef5d51eb7d 10/framework/frameworkd: frameworkd: don't fail if loophole can't be launched |
| 12:19.39 | DieMumiee | playya: in what field? |
| 12:19.43 | playya | wb mickeyl |
| 12:19.55 | playya | motorsports and linux |
| 12:20.04 | DieMumiee | ok sounds cool |
| 12:20.10 | playya | in Markgröningen |
| 12:20.19 | playya | yes. |
| 12:20.49 | SpeedEvil | playya: Hard-realtime control of aerodynamically unstable ramjet racing plane using the openmoko freerunner. |
| 12:20.56 | DieMumiee | :) |
| 12:21.23 | playya | over GSM |
| 12:22.25 | jc1 | providing e-mail service for beers. |
| 12:22.39 | SpeedEvil | Do beers need email though. |
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| 12:30.16 | leila | If everything fails you can always ascii encode the executable and send it as the mailbody |
| 12:32.02 | PaulFertser | leila: how can't you see it won't solve the problem? |
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| 12:34.51 | leila | PaulFertser: it wont solve it, since its a work-a-round at best |
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| 12:36.51 | PaulFertser | leila: yep, and for a workaround i've just sent a link to that file to download it over https. i'm mad at google because they decide for me what i'm allowed to send and what to receive. Fuckers. Also my home ISP blocks incoming ports (80, 25, others). Stupid jerks they don't want to understand it doesn't provide me any "security", just frustration. |
| 12:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | jc1: could you create om accunt for PaulFertser ? |
| 12:37.06 | DocScrutinizer | mail account even |
| 12:37.18 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: he could, but i'm afraid i won't trust it too much ;) |
| 12:37.32 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 12:38.20 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i really hope that OM will stay in business but... Chances for google are higher. |
| 12:38.30 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: get a mailacct at home.nixl.net ;-) |
| 12:39.21 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: yep, i think i've already have one :) problem is reliability, as usual. And maintainence... |
| 12:40.07 | leila | PaulFertser: agreed, port blocking means nothing. And it is probably not for security but more a "lets prevent people from runnign servers" |
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| 12:42.16 | DocScrutinizer | I'd sue them to fulfill their contract |
| 12:42.35 | PaulFertser | leila: i think that's to somehow lessen the amount of "omfg i installed that shiny new adsl router and someone stole my internet password/whatever because i was too stupid to use default password and forgot to disallow external access" |
| 12:43.07 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i think they say it's an addendum to the contract. I can't even get them to support icmp properly :-/ |
| 12:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | global services ;-DD |
| 12:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | change provider then |
| 12:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | they only change policy if they find the current one give them more hussle than goods |
| 12:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | if noone complains and creates expense for them, they will be example for others to do same |
| 12:57.39 | Quadduc | Anyone know how to disable suspend in Om 2009 testing 5? Disabling it in Paroli has no effect whatsoever. I cannot use a narcoleptic phone... |
| 12:58.02 | leila | Is my observation correct that the default software that comes with the phone is not the best at conserving energy ? |
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| 13:14.43 | PaulFertser | leila: the default software is mad old, many bugs were fixed since then. |
| 13:15.05 | PaulFertser | leila: you need to also upgrade your bootloader to the latest Qi or u-boot. |
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| 13:34.03 | Quadduc | There's no ompower, so what is controlling suspend? |
| 13:34.23 | Quadduc | Doesn't even work setting it in Illume. |
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| 13:40.26 | timing | how is support of the: Atheros AR6001 WLAN Card |
| 13:40.28 | timing | ? |
| 13:41.10 | PaulFertser | timing: so-so |
| 13:41.15 | PaulFertser | timing: the card mostly works. |
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| 13:41.26 | mjr | How do you mean "how"? There is a free driver, proprietary firmware (on the wlan chip), and some issues. |
| 13:41.53 | PaulFertser | timing: several known unsolveable problems because of bugs in firmware. But it mostly works. |
| 13:42.04 | timing | PaulFertser: I read somewhere that it's detected, but no actual communication |
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| 13:42.57 | timing | so this card works so-so: http://www.cardaccess-inc.com/products/index.php?a=wlan_burt |
| 13:43.34 | PaulFertser | timing: actual communication works with most APs. WPA/WPA2 supported. |
| 13:43.55 | timing | okay |
| 13:44.20 | timing | I want to make a sd-wifi card work on my linux laptop and I thought this could be tha best place to ask around |
| 13:44.25 | timing | *the |
| 13:44.26 | ndnihil | wpa works? |
| 13:44.28 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: yes |
| 13:44.38 | ndnihil | not for me |
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| 13:44.46 | ndnihil | I figured it was the buggy chipset |
| 13:44.56 | ndnihil | might have to dick around with it some more |
| 13:44.57 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: try "wmiconfig -i eth0 --power maxperf" |
| 13:45.03 | ndnihil | did that |
| 13:45.32 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: then you have the AP that is not compatible... Bad luck. |
| 13:45.41 | ndnihil | its linux |
| 13:45.50 | ndnihil | PCI passthrough to a xen domU |
| 13:46.18 | ndnihil | works with my laptop, also the leenooks |
| 13:46.51 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: well, i can say that i used wpa myself with different APs. Only one didn't work no matter how i tried. So at least sometimes WPA works. |
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| 13:47.08 | ndnihil | I'll have to mess with it some more |
| 13:47.17 | ndnihil | try a smaller key or something |
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| 13:53.53 | leila | PaulFertser: why did you pick Qi over uboot ? |
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| 13:54.49 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it does what i need and is small and is hackable. And by the time i bought FR u-boot was already deprecated by the OM devs. |
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| 13:55.29 | leila | PaulFertser: ahar, that is motivation enough to use qi |
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| 14:02.02 | timing | and the Atheros AR6001 works okay with a normal debian linux install? |
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| 14:07.06 | leila | bye all |
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| 15:10.10 | mihairu | hi guys...did you notice that OM2009 is faster than SHR-unstable? Why it is? :/ |
| 15:11.05 | Weiss | faster in what way? |
| 15:12.21 | mihairu | Weiss: for example, numptyphysics is very fast on om09, but same version on shr is, mmm i dont know right word,...slow, lower fps |
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| 15:22.19 | mihairu | Weiss: mokomaze is same... |
| 15:23.54 | Weiss | mihairu: interesting.. i've heard anecdotal evidence that xf86-video-glamo is faster than Xglamo, but i haven't tested it myself. maybe that's what you're seeing |
| 15:24.16 | mihairu | Weiss: and is possible to change xglamo to glamo? |
| 15:24.23 | mihairu | xorg.conf? |
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| 15:25.23 | max_posedon | mihairu, not so easy |
| 15:25.42 | max_posedon | it completly different xorg hw=engine |
| 15:28.43 | mihairu | oh so... |
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| 18:54.52 | pandoras_ | wich file i need to flash the kernel? Every File from ../releases/Om2008.12 ? |
| 18:54.59 | pandoras_ | or only the Bynaries? |
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| 18:56.17 | naeg | pandoras_, the kernel is just one .bin file |
| 18:56.26 | pandoras_ | k |
| 18:56.47 | naeg | and you need just the kernel and a rootfs(.jffs2 file) |
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| 19:04.43 | pandoras_ | is the Kernel on the NAND or NOR Flash, and the Filesystem on the Card? |
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| 19:05.13 | linuxxr | nor is inaccessable for the most part |
| 19:06.02 | pandoras_ | k, to be secure, for bootloaders ect? |
| 19:06.26 | linuxxr | just hook up an be in nor or nnand then run the dfu command for the .bin an then or the .jffs2 |
| 19:06.49 | SpeedEvil | It generally ignores NOR, unless you hold down a button |
| 19:06.54 | SpeedEvil | then it boots from there |
| 19:07.05 | SpeedEvil | s/boots/loads uboot/ |
| 19:07.21 | DocScrutinizer | there are two bootloaders: nand and nor-emergency-fallback. NAND also holds your kernel, and your rootfs. Never flash a kernel not matching the modules in rootfs! |
| 19:08.03 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5133 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/r_us.lib gta02-core.pro): Add R US-like symbol |
| 19:08.08 | pandoras_ | 11 minutes less to download the Files |
| 19:08.11 | SpeedEvil | NOR is basically only there to recover drom being an idiot. |
| 19:08.13 | DocScrutinizer | i.e: always update kernel *and* matching rootfs same time (unless you know what you are doing) |
| 19:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ;-D |
| 19:09.22 | pandoras_ | puh.. the Wiki is as german aviable :P |
| 19:09.32 | pandoras_ | exist a german OM channel? |
| 19:09.45 | DocScrutinizer | pandoras_: usually you want to DL current *.bin for kernel, and current *.jffs2 for rootfs |
| 19:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | (irc chan) nope, not afaik |
| 19:10.18 | linuxxr | its there for Qi also |
| 19:10.28 | DocScrutinizer | and if there is, probably few members anyway ;) |
| 19:11.31 | pandoras_ | my English is anyway horrible xD, but thits a Way to learn it |
| 19:12.22 | SpeedEvil | I thought there was #openmoko-de |
| 19:12.22 | DocScrutinizer | pandoras_: no problem - we even got chinese members here ;-) |
| 19:12.22 | SpeedEvil | sorry - tired. |
| 19:12.26 | SpeedEvil | I'm thininking of #osm-de |
| 19:12.34 | pandoras_ | thx |
| 19:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sure there is. just /join #openmoko-de ;-P |
| 19:13.29 | pandoras_ | dont exist |
| 19:14.08 | SpeedEvil | #osm-de is openstreetmap - on another server |
| 19:14.09 | DocScrutinizer | duh, I just joined this very minute. Was existent when I did :-P |
| 19:14.15 | pandoras_ | hm.. irssi on OM :D IRC on a Phone, i love the Concept behind the OM, it makes everything possible |
| 19:14.38 | SpeedEvil | Except, apparantly, GTA03 |
| 19:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: OM made GTA03 *possible*, not made it *happen* |
| 19:15.28 | SpeedEvil | hmm - true. |
| 19:16.09 | DocScrutinizer | actually there are TWO gta03 existing on this planet. Think both are in Argentina ATM |
| 19:16.37 | SpeedEvil | A captive breeding program? |
| 19:17.06 | linuxxr | bear down Doc |
| 19:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | doubts GTA03 has ability to reproduce |
| 19:17.36 | DocScrutinizer | linuxxr: huh? |
| 19:17.46 | linuxxr | we need more |
| 19:18.05 | linuxxr | we can rebuild it |
| 19:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | linuxxr: why? you don't even know the properties of GTA03 |
| 19:18.51 | linuxxr | but the gta-core will do |
| 19:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | why would you think you like to have one? |
| 19:19.19 | DocScrutinizer | linuxxr: huh? |
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| 19:19.41 | linuxxr | already ready to give up DOC? |
| 19:19.49 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, constantly you lose me |
| 19:20.41 | pandoras_ | ok, something makes now something xD |
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| 19:23.29 | pandoras_ | ok, i flashed the Kernlel in to the NOR, its always runnig... |
| 19:23.40 | pandoras_ | and now the Root Filesystem |
| 19:24.23 | pandoras_ | for wath i need the card? is the micro SD my Home folder? or a standart external Device |
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| 19:30.12 | pandoras_ | the FS takes a long time, the kernel was fast flashed |
| 19:32.55 | linuxxr | do u mean that u were in nor when u flashed the kernel |
| 19:34.27 | CIA-46 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5134 10/trunk/gta02-core/pmu.sch: PMU schematic (work in progress). Add some basic resistors and connections |
| 19:34.29 | linuxxr | because i think all things are flashed into the nand |
| 19:35.45 | pandoras_ | the steps with SSH be easy, Filesystem the same, Files the most the same.. |
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| 19:36.23 | pandoras_ | linux is linux, may a little other between distros, but anyway the same principe |
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| 19:36.48 | pandoras_ | it makes it easy to understand every device, running under Linux |
| 19:36.55 | panicking | mickeyl, Hi |
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| 19:37.03 | mickeyl | hi panicking, how's life |
| 19:37.18 | mickeyl | progressing w/ you android stuff? |
| 19:37.31 | panicking | mickeyl, I'm here to talk about vchanneld |
| 19:37.36 | panicking | and if it possible |
| 19:37.44 | panicking | to use it |
| 19:37.51 | mickeyl | vchanneld? |
| 19:37.53 | panicking | instead of gsm0910d |
| 19:37.54 | panicking | ? |
| 19:38.29 | panicking | http://git.moko.serdar-dere.net/?p=platform/hardware/ril.git;a=blob;f=vchanneld/virtual-channel.c;h=c9775cd8180975292bf9b5a12ccd25869e03a166;hb=39e0024a2906ab159dac3884a823e4cf3a45c26d |
| 19:39.00 | panicking | I must change some author because I use some of your code |
| 19:39.15 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:39.41 | panicking | and now it's work only on android |
| 19:39.44 | panicking | freerunner |
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| 19:40.04 | panicking | I need to add the dbus |
| 19:40.07 | panicking | interface |
| 19:41.03 | panicking | mickeyl, or I will drop it in the feuture |
| 19:41.10 | panicking | It's no a problem for me |
| 19:41.18 | panicking | but If you find somenthing usefull |
| 19:41.23 | panicking | maybe |
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| 19:41.29 | mickeyl | sure, i can keep that in mind |
| 19:41.36 | mickeyl | we're pretty satisfied with our fso-abyss though |
| 19:41.44 | mickeyl | works like a charm |
| 19:41.49 | mickeyl | respects flow control |
| 19:41.54 | mickeyl | can be used as library, etc. |
| 19:42.01 | panicking | Ok, I'm happy for you |
| 19:42.04 | mickeyl | :) |
| 19:42.23 | panicking | mickeyl, everything fine here |
| 19:42.43 | mickeyl | eventually, I'd love to see a kernel patch, but apparantly it's not important for anyone yet |
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| 19:42.55 | panicking | We can discuss |
| 19:42.56 | panicking | this |
| 19:43.10 | panicking | I can move my code on the kernel, a company is interested too |
| 19:43.17 | panicking | to move the mux in the kernel side |
| 19:43.36 | lindi- | panicking: why move it to kernel? |
| 19:43.46 | mickeyl | for the Calypso it's not so important, but once we have faster data modems, a user space muxer will hurt us |
| 19:43.47 | panicking | mickeyl, Are you talking about the kernel? |
| 19:44.03 | panicking | lindi-, I'm talking about the kernel |
| 19:44.07 | mickeyl | yes, kernel |
| 19:44.11 | panicking | move the muxer inside the kernel |
| 19:45.19 | linuxxr | kernel muxer hmmmm.. |
| 19:45.21 | panicking | Ok, a guy that works in sirf use my muxer for his android porting |
| 19:45.47 | panicking | and ask me, for a kernel side support |
| 19:45.55 | panicking | (no money ofcourse) |
| 19:46.06 | mickeyl | ah well |
| 19:46.09 | mickeyl | it's not an easy task |
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| 19:46.18 | mickeyl | you should try to squeak a contract out of it :) |
| 19:46.19 | BogdanR | Hello |
| 19:46.42 | panicking | Yes, now maybe will start a contract with a company that use the freerunner |
| 19:46.42 | mickeyl | a proper kernel muxer with a nice ioctl interface would definitely be welcome |
| 19:46.43 | BogdanR | I am trying to establish an USB connection with QT Extended and it doesn't seem to be working |
| 19:46.51 | pandoras_ | ok, i think it works... while booting |
| 19:46.55 | panicking | and I hope that they move to the new gta02-core |
| 19:47.13 | BogdanR | With all the other distros it works with no problem |
| 19:47.31 | panicking | mickeyl, if you have some idea we can share and try to open a project on it |
| 19:47.44 | panicking | we can try to open a project for it |
| 19:47.47 | BogdanR | I want to install QT Extended Improved but I need an USB connection for that |
| 19:47.51 | panicking | maybe a can ask for some money |
| 19:47.53 | panicking | :D |
| 19:48.12 | linuxxr | dfu utilities not working? |
| 19:48.14 | mickeyl | you should get Laf0rge's input on that |
| 19:48.30 | mickeyl | i think he has a plan for that |
| 19:48.35 | mickeyl | but no time or motivation to actually do it |
| 19:48.56 | mickeyl | openezx may have some code that could be reused |
| 19:49.03 | mickeyl | from the MOTO kernel |
| 19:49.11 | BogdanR | linuxxr: Are you asking me about the dfu utils? |
| 19:49.14 | mickeyl | although it implements a more complex protocol based on 07.10 basic + extensions |
| 19:49.16 | pandoras_ | JEAH, after Flashing, i got a new NetworkInterface usb0, lets connect :D |
| 19:49.25 | panicking | Ok I will take a look on that |
| 19:49.29 | mickeyl | great |
| 19:49.32 | panicking | thanks |
| 19:49.35 | linuxxr | BogdanR yes |
| 19:49.37 | panicking | other question |
| 19:49.38 | mickeyl | bbiab, spending some time w/ wifey |
| 19:49.41 | mickeyl | ok |
| 19:49.47 | mickeyl | quick, please, need to move |
| 19:49.53 | panicking | I'm talkin with a guy |
| 19:49.57 | panicking | that works on telit |
| 19:50.01 | BogdanR | linuxxr: dfu tuils is not for usb network as far as I know |
| 19:50.04 | panicking | and say that a big issue |
| 19:50.09 | panicking | has how to report flow control |
| 19:50.15 | panicking | using virtual terminal |
| 19:50.23 | panicking | so how to stop |
| 19:50.24 | mickeyl | that's correct |
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| 19:50.31 | linuxxr | oo i thought u wanted to install qtImproved? |
| 19:50.36 | mickeyl | first, the use of pts is wrong |
| 19:50.37 | mickeyl | :) |
| 19:50.39 | mickeyl | in general |
| 19:50.43 | mickeyl | as it wastes lot of performance |
| 19:50.51 | mickeyl | _if_ you absolutely have to do it w/ pts, then |
| 19:50.58 | mickeyl | check the FC bit on muxer layer |
| 19:51.03 | mickeyl | if it's present |
| 19:51.06 | mickeyl | stop to read from the pts |
| 19:51.15 | mickeyl | eventually the pts kernel buffer will get full |
| 19:51.40 | linuxxr | i guess u want it on a card:) |
| 19:51.41 | mickeyl | and folks will no longer be able to write into pts |
| 19:51.41 | mickeyl | when FC gets cleared later |
| 19:51.41 | mickeyl | start reading from the pts node again |
| 19:51.41 | mickeyl | and things resume |
| 19:51.50 | lindi- | panicking: yes but why? |
| 19:51.55 | mickeyl | i have implemented something like that in fso-abyss |
| 19:52.02 | panicking | I will take a look |
| 19:52.07 | mickeyl | ok, good speed |
| 19:52.11 | mickeyl | cu l8er |
| 19:52.38 | panicking | thanks mickey |
| 19:53.08 | pandoras_ | usb0 have a IPv6 as IP, 192.168.0.200 dont work "No such Device" |
| 19:54.26 | panicking | lindi-, the answer is in the discussion |
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| 19:57.40 | lindi- | panicking: on irc? |
| 19:58.27 | panicking | Yes, I think that having a kernel interface |
| 19:58.33 | panicking | that expose the channel |
| 19:58.44 | panicking | offer more performance and more stability |
| 19:59.05 | panicking | the user just open the device and use some interface to open and close channel |
| 19:59.20 | pandoras_ | some want work in the networkinterfaces |
| 20:00.35 | pandoras_ | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device hm... wath is SIOCSIFADDR? |
| 20:02.24 | BogdanR | pandoras_: I think it's a variable from the kernel module that takes care of networking |
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| 20:03.41 | BogdanR | pandoras_: or maybe a ioctl call |
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| 20:05.43 | BogdanR | pandoras_: I think that basically the userspace can't find the kernel space device that you try to configure |
| 20:07.18 | pandoras_ | OMG! 22:07, im to long awake |
| 20:07.35 | pandoras_ | i try going to sleep |
| 20:07.40 | pandoras_ | and thx 4 the Help |
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| 20:15.17 | leila | Hi all, is it normal if I have upgraded the bootloader the screen does not turn on when booting the shipped os ? |
| 20:15.59 | linuxxr | u p Qi in instead of u-boot? |
| 20:16.30 | leila | yup |
| 20:16.34 | linuxxr | installed Qi? |
| 20:17.18 | leila | linuxxr, Yup I did |
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| 20:17.32 | linuxxr | i thought u were putting shr on? |
| 20:18.33 | leila | shr is the os right ? |
| 20:18.36 | linuxxr | u need latest .jffs2 an .bin of something besides the default |
| 20:18.45 | linuxxr | yes |
| 20:19.03 | linuxxr | shr,debian.om2009,gentoo |
| 20:19.28 | linuxxr | the default is 2008.9 right? |
| 20:19.42 | linuxxr | or 2007.2? |
| 20:20.19 | linuxxr | u have shr? |
| 20:20.30 | leila | Qi's concept is to leave everything possible to Linux, that includes even the video init <-- that explains it I suppose |
| 20:20.34 | DocScrutinizer | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2009-June/001238.html |
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| 20:27.27 | leila | going to reboot the host ... |
| 20:27.32 | leila | brb |
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| 20:39.15 | leila | ok flashing in the proper version seems to have worked somehow |
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| 20:45.36 | leila | Next step, to figure out if I can install debian on it |
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| 20:57.33 | linuxxr | neovento was a very cool debian that will fit on nand if u wanna try--- i recommend |
| 20:58.20 | linuxxr | i see that intone on shr-unstable has big fonts:) |
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| 21:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | leila: Qi's concept also is uSD focused. so why would you want to install Qi if you are interested in finding a distri to run from NAND? |
| 21:05.41 | leila | DocScrutinizer, I am installing debian to the usd (shortly I hope) . But uboot has been depracated and thus I replaced it with Qi |
| 21:06.21 | DocScrutinizer | leila: duh, *who* told uboot is deprecated? |
| 21:07.37 | leila | DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi |
| 21:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, I can't confirm that to be gereral opinion |
| 21:10.36 | leila | oh well it is separate from what I use as OS and can be changed I presume |
| 21:11.00 | leila | for now it seems to be installing debian by the install script |
| 21:13.31 | DocScrutinizer | leila: well, I suggest *first* finding a distro you are happy with, configure it to your needs, *then* eventually consider to give Qi a shot and see if it's worth the additional trouble and learning |
| 21:14.52 | leila | I picked debian for now because a) its a full system b) is easy to install. Qi I installed since that seems to work out of the box with the bigger kernels (or that is what I made out of the wiki) |
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| 22:01.31 | SpeedEvil | http://b3ta.com/challenge/iphone/ Clearly the apps OM needs! |
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| 22:06.41 | SpeedEvil | http://b3ta.com/board/9527533 genius |
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| 22:09.40 | leila | installing debian takes its jolly time |
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| 22:18.09 | linuxxr | 55 minuites? |
| 22:19.56 | leila | linuxxr, something like that |
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| 22:20.36 | leila | seems that the install has finished but the reboot fails |
| 22:21.15 | linuxxr | dangit man |
| 22:22.04 | linuxxr | sdcard install/ |
| 22:22.15 | linuxxr | ? |
| 22:22.19 | leila | yup |
| 22:22.32 | leila | used the install script as per http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 22:23.08 | linuxxr | did u give it 5 minuites to boot? |
| 22:23.26 | leila | "Unknown boot option `g_ether.host_addr-<mac>: ignoring" |
| 22:23.41 | linuxxr | error on installing kerlel at the very last? |
| 22:24.22 | linuxxr | kernel? |
| 22:24.27 | leila | not that I could see, there were warnings about not being able to write log files during the install |
| 22:25.29 | linuxxr | tried rebooting 2-3 times? |
| 22:26.48 | linuxxr | latest shr didnt boot the first time today |
| 22:26.50 | leila | 3rd time is a charm (maybe) |
| 22:27.04 | linuxxr | well atleast 2 times |
| 22:27.34 | leila | it seems to be booting |
| 22:27.53 | linuxxr | wondering if suspend is fixed in Qi |
| 22:28.45 | leila | it now stopped at usbcore: registered new interface driver btusb |
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| 22:29.10 | linuxxr | Ainulindale whats new? |
| 22:29.42 | linuxxr | neovento worked ok fot me |
| 22:29.52 | linuxxr | *for |
| 22:31.30 | linuxxr | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neovento |
| 22:32.09 | leila | ah it continued |
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| 22:33.35 | leila | and it seems as to have gotten as far as a login prompt |
| 22:35.42 | leila | linuxxr, is there supposed to be a default password ? |
| 22:37.33 | linuxxr | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hackable:1 |
| 22:37.47 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.56 | linuxxr | maybe though |
| 22:38.10 | linuxxr | booted on up eh? |
| 22:38.57 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:40.31 | linuxxr | did u boot sdcard from nor or did Qi autoboot to the card? |
| 22:40.49 | leila | autoboot |
| 22:40.54 | leila | afaik |
| 22:43.33 | leila | trying it with the nor, saying it can not load the kernel image |
| 22:46.38 | linuxxr | did u log in ok? |
| 22:47.12 | linuxxr | so u have debian on sd an shr in nand?? |
| 22:48.38 | linuxxr | im getting a faster unsuspend |
| 22:49.19 | linuxxr | 2 seconds |
| 22:50.16 | linuxxr | an intone works again with large fonts |
| 22:50.47 | linuxxr | nearly less than 2 seconds |
| 22:51.06 | leila | nope, since all I got was a command prompt that asked for username, but no keyboard or anything to type with. PLugging in the usb did get me a connection, but the default root password seems to not work |
| 22:51.43 | linuxxr | i think its open or blank |
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| 22:53.38 | leila | hmm the usd indeed seems to have a linux structure on it |
| 22:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | what else? |
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| 23:01.05 | techiem2-r | any android experts around tonight? |
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| 23:13.27 | linuxxr | an updated duke nukem or doom would be a reall seller |
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