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| 07:09.16 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:13.58 | amarsh04 | hi Hoposcotch |
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| 07:14.08 | amarsh04 | hi Hopscotch even |
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| 07:33.45 | methril|work | morning |
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| 07:37.31 | ecraven | hello ;) could anyone point me to a working uboot_env file? i seem to have broken mine beyond repair |
| 07:37.46 | lindi- | ecraven: use the one from NOR |
| 07:37.55 | ecraven | how do i get that off the device? |
| 07:39.37 | lindi- | ecraven: just cat it |
| 07:39.51 | ecraven | don't i need to escape $ and ; and stuff? |
| 07:40.11 | lindi- | ecraven: hmm, why? |
| 07:40.17 | ecraven | for u-boot/neocon? |
| 07:40.45 | lindi- | never heard of neocon |
| 07:40.56 | ecraven | what i use to connect to the u-boot shell |
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| 07:43.22 | lindi- | ecraven: ah, I use picocom |
| 07:43.46 | ecraven | hm.. the uboot-envedit from fso-utils seems to create a working uboot-env ;) |
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| 07:51.28 | ecraven | what parameter does ext2load mmc take? i've seen 0, 1 and 1:1 |
| 07:51.39 | ecraven | i want the first (and only) partition on my sd card |
| 07:51.47 | ecraven | i tried all three, and none works :( |
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| 08:15.52 | ecraven | hm.. somehow my sdcard isn't recognized any longer, now it shows up as 3MiB (but it is 4gb) |
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| 08:22.45 | geaaru | hi, i upgrade gta01 with shr-unstable tree but now gsm doesn't work... from frameworkd.log i have this message: |
| 08:22.59 | geaaru | 2009.06.16 10:22:19.110 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR could not open channel CALL, retrying in 2 seconds |
| 08:22.59 | geaaru | 2009.06.16 10:22:19.119 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'gsm0710muxd' |
| 08:23.00 | geaaru | 2009.06.16 10:22:23.170 ogsmd.modem.abstract ERROR could not open channel MISC, retrying in 2 seconds |
| 08:23.00 | geaaru | 2009.06.16 10:22:23.179 ogsmd.modems.ti_calypso INFO Requesting new channel from 'gsm0710muxd' |
| 08:23.07 | geaaru | any suggestions? |
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| 08:30.36 | Bogdan | Hello |
| 08:31.00 | Bogdan | I just installed QtExtended and I want to upgrade it to QtExtended Improved |
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| 08:31.29 | Bogdan | The problem is that I can't establish USB networking |
| 08:32.20 | Bogdan | With any other distro USB networking works just fine but here it doesn't seem to be working |
| 08:32.32 | Bogdan | Does anyone have some ideeas what I should do? |
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| 11:09.20 | ndnihil | odd |
| 11:09.30 | ndnihil | for some reason I can't receive SMS anymore |
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| 13:24.59 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5131 10/developers/werner/gta02-core/foo/ (9 files): Example for non-numerical pin numbers. |
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| 14:42.14 | leila | Hi all. I got the Gta02 today but I seem to fail at finding the online manual. Does anyone know where to find it |
| 14:42.31 | lindi- | leila: which online manual? |
| 14:42.35 | max_posedon | look at green card in box |
| 14:42.35 | jc1 | wiki.openmoko.org? |
| 14:42.38 | leila | never mind ~_~ its getting started |
| 14:42.41 | max_posedon | there a link for you) |
| 14:44.12 | jc1 | leila: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
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| 14:55.32 | leila | hmm registering takes a long time |
| 14:56.27 | max_posedon | wiki can be read without registration |
| 14:57.08 | leila | as in registering to the network |
| 14:57.33 | max_posedon | ah this... yep. could be |
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| 15:01.59 | leila | Is this something that needs a-lot of patience or should I dig around ? |
| 15:02.36 | max_posedon | depends on what you want from this device |
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| 15:03.01 | leila | To make a phonecall atm |
| 15:03.42 | max_posedon | Do you know which disto you have? |
| 15:03.55 | max_posedon | ok, anyway, you can flash latest shr-unstable) |
| 15:04.22 | PaulFertser | leila: have you upgraded your gsm firmware? |
| 15:04.39 | PaulFertser | leila: i'd say it's the first thing any sane person should do with his FR. |
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| 15:06.42 | leila | I just discovered that I probably would need to hook up an usb keyboard or ssh since the default keypad with the terminal does not have a / ~_~ |
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| 15:07.25 | PaulFertser | leila: you don't need that for a SD-image method of updating firmware. |
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| 15:07.48 | PaulFertser | leila: and yes, ssh via usb is a good idea, the best way to use one's FR :) |
| 15:07.57 | leila | I want to check the version with cat /etc/version |
| 15:08.15 | PaulFertser | leila: what for? |
| 15:09.30 | leila | max_posedon, wanted to know which distro I had so I thought lets see what the phone can tell me ;) |
| 15:09.57 | PaulFertser | leila: max_posedon was joking. You need to use distro that you choose, not the one that's preinstalled. |
| 15:10.11 | PaulFertser | leila: btw, is your gta02 buzzfixed? |
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| 15:11.02 | leila | PaulFertser, I just got it out of the box 10min ago |
| 15:11.06 | PaulFertser | leila: anyway, i'd recommend flashing gsm firmware before testing any distributions. Read wiki GSM/Flashing. |
| 15:11.29 | PaulFertser | leila: exactly why you're supposed to trust me as i'm using it for more than half a year now ;) |
| 15:12.36 | max_posedon | use neo 9month as day-phone already) |
| 15:14.56 | leila | PaulFertser, I will. But not now since I have to go somewhere first |
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| 15:15.05 | leila | I shall read up on things later this evening |
| 15:15.23 | PaulFertser | leila: ok, good luck :) |
| 15:19.25 | leila | hrmz trying to connect to the phone is not easy either, i did do a passwd to make sure ~_~ |
| 15:19.43 | leila | or I mix up the ips |
| 15:20.49 | PaulFertser | leila: it should be easy. |
| 15:21.04 | leila | Yup I am in |
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| 15:21.21 | PaulFertser | leila: probably you just need to read the wiki page, then check "ifconfig", "route" and "iptables -L" output on host. |
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| 15:22.22 | PaulFertser | leila: the default FR's address is 192.168.0.202, and it expects that the host is 192.168.0.200. If it can conflict with other interfaces on your host you're supposed to use a minimal netmask to isolate FR in its own subnet. |
| 15:22.46 | leila | PaulFertser, I managed to ssh to the phone ;) |
| 15:23.57 | PaulFertser | leila: i told you it's easy ;) |
| 15:26.51 | leila | Yup but not if you mix up 192.168.0.200 and 192.168.0.202 :) |
| 15:26.56 | leila | anyway got to go now |
| 15:27.02 | leila | Have a nice evening all |
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| 16:24.54 | badcloud | anyone get an nes emulator to work at decent speed? |
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| 17:03.09 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03rehar * r5132 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib ms2v-t1s.lib): |
| 17:03.09 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Removed 2. GND pin in the symbol of MS2V-T1S |
| 17:03.09 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Reorderd pin numbers crystal (1 and 2), GND (3) |
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| 17:58.30 | pandoras_ | JEAH! i get my new GTA02 |
| 17:58.39 | pandoras_ | but i cant find the MicroSD Slot xD |
| 17:59.03 | pandoras_ | i found it! |
| 17:59.10 | PaulFertser | pandoras_: flash GSM now! ;) |
| 17:59.20 | pandoras_ | behind the SIM Reader |
| 17:59.20 | jc1 | pandoras_: somewhere closed to SIM |
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| 18:00.52 | mac2k | PaulFertser: gsm is the last thing i flashed on my phone |
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| 18:01.48 | PaulFertser | mac2k: so what? |
| 18:02.31 | pandoras_ | ARHG! The SD Reader is hard to open -_- |
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| 18:17.16 | dos1 | pandoras_: hmm... i've never had problems with sd card holder... |
| 18:17.40 | Blu3 | the sd card holder? it just pops up |
| 18:17.41 | dos1 | pandoras_: it's a bit harder to open it when it's closed without card, but still not that hard |
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| 18:37.32 | pandoras_ | ok, the OM have confusing starting options with the AUX combinations. Wiki FTW |
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| 18:40.35 | PaulFertser | pandoras_: it's mostly hardware, the AUX button is connected directly to SoC to a special pin that forces to use external NOR. |
| 18:43.32 | pandoras_ | wow, gnash works on OM :D |
| 18:44.16 | PaulFertser | pandoras_: why the hell do you want to use fucking flash? |
| 18:46.43 | pandoras_ | i dont now, playing games? |
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| 18:47.39 | PaulFertser | pandoras_: i think we should boycott flash because it's a closed technology (i know about some specs but they're too late and not enough to make a good implementation). |
| 18:49.11 | pandoras_ | ok, youre right, Flash makes always Problems under Linux Systems. It works not good in each Browser |
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| 18:49.18 | pandoras_ | and opera Fucked this up |
| 18:49.30 | pandoras_ | Canvas is a Option to flash |
| 18:50.09 | Defiant | pandoras_: it has become much better with flash 10 |
| 18:50.18 | PaulFertser | pandoras_: i think if someone wants a portable app, let it be java. If someone wants an animation, let it be svg. |
| 18:50.44 | max_posedon | "let it be java" <-- very, very, very bad idea |
| 18:50.48 | Defiant | thinks freedom also includes to let people what they want :) |
| 18:50.49 | PaulFertser | mac2k: why? |
| 18:50.52 | max_posedon | c++qt better |
| 18:50.58 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: not bytecode |
| 18:51.07 | max_posedon | and haven't all javavm code |
| 18:51.09 | max_posedon | *problems |
| 18:51.10 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: requires compilation for every possibly arch. |
| 18:51.20 | Blu3 | java itself is a good language, the VM implementation however leaves a huge amount to be desired |
| 18:51.23 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: moreover Qt was GPL-only until recently. |
| 18:51.25 | max_posedon | it is very small problem |
| 18:51.35 | max_posedon | anyway, now its lgpl |
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| 18:54.13 | max_posedon | also java has very bad integration with system |
| 18:54.25 | max_posedon | I never see any java app which can work via ssh -X |
| 18:54.46 | max_posedon | (it works, but windows is always black for me) |
| 18:55.49 | Defiant | which toolkit? |
| 18:55.50 | max_posedon | Defiant, we speak about java |
| 18:55.50 | Defiant | max_posedon: swt? awt? swing? |
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| 18:55.53 | max_posedon | oldone (awt?) haven't this issue, I remember installing oracle via ssh -X |
| 18:56.04 | max_posedon | but some newone has, sorry, don't know names |
| 18:56.44 | max_posedon | (and oldone have running separate process per every widget) |
| 18:56.59 | Defiant | every widget?!? |
| 18:57.02 | max_posedon | yes |
| 18:57.23 | max_posedon | try install oracle9, ps -Af | grep java | wc -l |
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| 18:57.51 | max_posedon | I saw ~40 java processes |
| 18:58.13 | Defiant | anyway, if it looked bad it was probably awt or swing, if it looks gtk-like (the other bad) it was swt |
| 18:58.44 | max_posedon | I belive only in QtJambi, but it isn't popular |
| 18:59.22 | max_posedon | also, Qt very powerfull, it just have a lot of features |
| 18:59.45 | max_posedon | btw, nokia porting maemo to qt. |
| 18:59.46 | Defiant | wasn't development of QtJambi stopped? |
| 19:00.24 | max_posedon | it was stopped by nokia, may be somebody pick up this project, I don't know |
| 19:00.57 | Defiant | The cooler way is probably to make q Qt binding for SWT anyway |
| 19:01.57 | max_posedon | I still think java is no-go for desktop/mobile software |
| 19:02.18 | max_posedon | it can be used in some blood-enterprise projects, but nothing more |
| 19:02.35 | Defiant | Java processor :) |
| 19:03.27 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, btw, I'm sure you can't name a lot of cross-platform java projects |
| 19:03.37 | Defiant | hehe |
| 19:03.39 | max_posedon | most of them still have `download for linux |
| 19:03.45 | max_posedon | download for windows` |
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| 19:05.28 | Defiant | Ever installed maple? It will install a full java runtime to its folder to make sure you have the right java version |
| 19:05.36 | pandoras_ | lol the phone asking me the Pin NUMBER and i can only type letters xD |
| 19:06.21 | max_posedon | pandoras_, move finger from up to down |
| 19:07.55 | pandoras_ | thx, thath was a confusing riddle xD |
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| 19:09.09 | max_posedon | pandoras_, you has green card with link, most of such issues explained there |
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| 19:18.41 | lindi- | Defiant: maple is proprietary software :( |
| 19:20.08 | max_posedon | I remember 120Mb project |
| 19:20.15 | max_posedon | which had 110Mb java |
| 19:20.31 | max_posedon | which was used only for displaying readme during install |
| 19:20.33 | Defiant | lindi-: yep |
| 19:20.41 | Defiant | lol |
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| 20:00.55 | neoclust2 | hi |
| 20:02.47 | neoclust2 | how to have the terminal in om2009 with latest testing release ? |
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| 20:14.14 | PaulFertser | neoclust: have you switched to illume-profile already? |
| 20:14.38 | neoclust | PaulFertser: i didn't saw that this was that easy now :) |
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| 20:34.04 | leila | Hmm this flash the gsm firmware seems complicated |
| 20:34.24 | PaulFertser | leila: it's not |
| 20:34.32 | PaulFertser | leila: especially if you use uSD image |
| 20:36.07 | leila | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing <-- this be the correct guide ? |
| 20:36.18 | PaulFertser | leila: sure |
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| 20:37.36 | leila | hmm for starters it seems that the default software does not know the command mdbus |
| 20:39.17 | PaulFertser | leila: yes |
| 20:39.29 | PaulFertser | leila: default software should be reflashed with something you want to use |
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| 20:42.31 | leila | before I am flashing the gsm .. ok I shall search on |
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| 21:21.44 | leila | here it goes .. flashing gsm sim |
| 21:21.54 | leila | firmware* |
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| 21:31.47 | leila | PaulFertser, how does one turn of the phone after flashing the gsm firmware? |
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| 21:34.07 | leila | ssh and halt seems to do the trick |
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| 22:00.36 | azaghal | Paroli sure looks interesting. |
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| 22:52.52 | neoclust | is it planned to fix http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2121 by default instead of dl files manually ? |
| 22:56.20 | DocMobilizer1 | thought it is |
| 22:56.21 | DocMobilizer1 | at least for SHR |
| 22:56.35 | DocMobilizer1 | btw, only one file |
| 23:05.01 | neoclust | DocMobilizer1: i ask because for the moment i can't pass to ssh to my phone :/ |
| 23:05.21 | neoclust | From 192.168.0.204 icmp_seq=1 Destination Port Unreachable |
| 23:05.33 | neoclust | and ssh root@192.168.0.202 fail |
| 23:05.43 | neoclust | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection refused |
| 23:07.44 | neoclust | i can't since my FR is detected as eth1 before it was usb0 |
| 23:08.34 | fredrin | add eth1 to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:08.42 | fredrin | maybe delete .ssh/known_hosts |
| 23:09.33 | fredrin | neoclust: ^ |
| 23:10.55 | neoclust | fredrin: /etc/network/interfaces on my machine or on the FR ? |
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| 23:11.22 | fredrin | your machine |
| 23:11.26 | fredrin | the same with ssh |
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| 23:14.27 | neoclust | fredrin: done for the ssh but i don't have any /etc/network/interfaces on my machine |
| 23:15.06 | fredrin | it's a file |
| 23:15.19 | fredrin | what distro? |
| 23:15.27 | neoclust | fredrin: i am on mandriva |
| 23:15.39 | fredrin | hmm, no se |
| 23:16.14 | neoclust | fredrin: btw i useed the mandriva section of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 23:18.08 | fredrin | neoclust: try to edit that file /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-usb0 to ifcfg-eth1 and replace usb0 with eth1 |
| 23:18.09 | fredrin | get it? |
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| 23:18.18 | fredrin | make a new file |
| 23:19.16 | neoclust | fredrin: i already cp the old usb to the new eth1 changing DEVICE=usb0 to DEVICE=eth1 |
| 23:19.39 | neoclust | and i copied /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/usb0-routes into /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/eth1-routes |
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| 23:20.19 | neoclust | fredrin: i restart my network service and come back |
| 23:20.48 | fredrin | k |
| 23:21.06 | linuxxr | reboot the neo to |
| 23:21.11 | neoclust | not better |
| 23:21.19 | neoclust | ok i try too |
| 23:21.25 | fredrin | and pray to the ghost in the machine |
| 23:22.05 | neoclust | i have to plug the FR when booting, or no matter if plugged later ? |
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| 23:42.20 | [Rui] | ooo one can now almost use paroli in landscape mode |
| 23:42.42 | [Rui] | sleep |
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