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| 02:53.25 | slaxxer | how about an option of turning the white keyboard black in shr? |
| 02:54.10 | slaxxer | an hacking alsa mixer doun to something usable |
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| 03:53.21 | fredrin | quite day |
| 03:53.25 | fredrin | mondays |
| 03:53.29 | fredrin | or what |
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| 04:08.36 | |if3_ | was there really a fix with the audio buzz bug? |
| 04:08.42 | |if3_ | visits mailling list |
| 04:12.07 | fredrin | |if3_: depends on the hardware revisions |
| 04:12.20 | |if3_ | gta02 |
| 04:12.24 | |if3_ | a6 I believe |
| 04:12.30 | fredrin | A5 and A6 dont not, but A7 got the fix |
| 04:12.40 | fredrin | afak |
| 04:12.51 | fredrin | versions of GTA02 |
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| 04:15.42 | |if3_ | weird |
| 04:16.03 | |if3_ | I got a message from SDGSYSTEMS that they have some sort of workaround for A5/A6 to fix that audio bug |
| 04:16.12 | ndnihil | I got that one too |
| 04:17.40 | |if3_ | crazy |
| 04:17.41 | |if3_ | idk |
| 04:18.51 | |if3_ | I kinda wanna ship it back to them if they can gaurantee that it's fixable. |
| 04:18.56 | |if3_ | but im not totally 100% |
| 04:19.04 | |if3_ | that and I don't wanna drop 100$ to get it 'fixed' |
| 04:19.29 | ndnihil | its just one small SMD component |
| 04:19.34 | ndnihil | resistor or a cap or something |
| 04:19.57 | ndnihil | $0.12 part |
| 04:20.15 | |if3_ | :| |
| 04:20.27 | |if3_ | fuck that, if I find out im doing it my self lol |
| 04:20.35 | ndnihil | there is a wiki entry for it |
| 04:20.41 | |if3_ | :o |
| 04:20.43 | ndnihil | you should have previous SMD experience though |
| 04:20.45 | |if3_ | on the forums? |
| 04:20.51 | |if3_ | SMD? |
| 04:20.53 | ndnihil | wiki != forums |
| 04:20.59 | ndnihil | heh, send it in |
| 04:21.05 | ndnihil | SMD = surface mount device |
| 04:21.08 | ndnihil | very small |
| 04:21.12 | |if3_ | erm, i meant on the openmoko wiki * |
| 04:21.16 | ndnihil | and difficult to solder by hand |
| 04:21.20 | |if3_ | ohh |
| 04:21.23 | |if3_ | fair enough |
| 04:21.24 | |if3_ | :P |
| 04:21.42 | |if3_ | ima need to image this beast before I send it in though |
| 04:21.47 | |if3_ | just incase they fuck it up. lol |
| 04:22.01 | |if3_ | flash it with the original software |
| 04:22.10 | |if3_ | hmm |
| 04:22.14 | ndnihil | why? |
| 04:22.19 | ndnihil | they dont care what you've installed to it |
| 04:22.24 | ndnihil | back your stuff up no doubt |
| 04:22.30 | |if3_ | yeah exactly |
| 04:22.33 | ndnihil | but no reason to reflash it back to original |
| 04:22.45 | ndnihil | just wipe out the nudie pics of your girlfriend |
| 04:22.46 | |if3_ | but say mr.joe has to flash it for what ever reason; comes into work hung over or so |
| 04:22.51 | |if3_ | lmfao |
| 04:27.03 | |if3_ | wow |
| 04:27.09 | |if3_ | barely noticable except for the people calling me |
| 04:27.35 | |if3_ | i guess it'll be better if I drop the 100 bucks |
| 04:27.49 | |if3_ | anywho, ima hit the road, be back later |
| 04:27.53 | |if3_ | thanks ndnihil :D |
| 04:27.58 | ndnihil | np |
| 04:28.01 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r6225f019602e 10/src/monitor.vala: Only restart service for specific errors |
| 04:28.02 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r7f689b7558cf 10/src/fso.vala: Handle unhandled GLib.Error in restart() |
| 04:28.25 | |if3_ | slightly wish I waited a few weeks before getting my phone, woulda saved 100$ haha |
| 04:28.33 | |if3_ | is cheap |
| 04:28.38 | |if3_ | though, I'll pay for opensource any day |
| 04:28.41 | ndnihil | dont feel bad |
| 04:28.47 | ndnihil | 2 days after I ordered mine |
| 04:28.51 | ndnihil | they dropped the price by $100 |
| 04:28.57 | |if3_ | LOL! NO WAY |
| 04:29.01 | ndnihil | yup |
| 04:29.04 | ndnihil | I paid $399 |
| 04:29.09 | ndnihil | they dropped it to $299 |
| 04:29.18 | |if3_ | ohh no doubt |
| 04:29.24 | |if3_ | im canadian, so USD > CAD :( |
| 04:29.44 | playya | but you live in a democratic country ;) |
| 04:29.48 | ndnihil | dont feel bad, USD isn't what it used to be |
| 04:30.00 | |if3_ | lmao |
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| 04:30.17 | |if3_ | USD should be cheaper than CAD imo |
| 04:30.29 | doc|work | give it time |
| 04:30.36 | ndnihil | it's all relevant to where you live and what you get paid |
| 04:30.38 | doc|work | there's a lot of legacy in having the reserve currency |
| 04:30.50 | |if3_ | obviously slightly biased, but considering that the US GOV'T owes 24USD$ for every citizen of your country to other countries. lol |
| 04:30.56 | ndnihil | compared to where you order your toys from |
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| 04:31.15 | doc|work | |if3_: far far more than that, |
| 04:31.20 | |if3_ | you sure? |
| 04:31.23 | doc|work | yep |
| 04:31.26 | |if3_ | 6trillion/250million |
| 04:31.30 | |if3_ | OH |
| 04:31.31 | doc|work | hah |
| 04:31.31 | |if3_ | LOL |
| 04:31.32 | |if3_ | oops |
| 04:31.38 | |if3_ | dropped three decimal points |
| 04:31.39 | |if3_ | haha |
| 04:31.45 | |if3_ | k I gotta jet, lmao |
| 04:31.46 | doc|work | that was... 8 years and two terms of george bush and one of obama ago |
| 04:31.50 | doc|work | hehe |
| 04:31.51 | doc|work | bye |
| 04:31.56 | |if3_ | lmao later gators |
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| 04:58.36 | dehqan | hi 2 all , some questions ; Can other card charger be used to charge FR ? |
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| 05:01.07 | lindi- | dehqan: card charger? |
| 05:01.30 | dehqan | car charger |
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| 05:06.37 | fredrin | thinks money chino, YEN, could be a good bet in the future. |
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| 05:16.26 | doc|work | fredrin: nah, all currencies are devaluing |
| 05:16.35 | doc|work | fredrin: some more than others, but either way, worth less |
| 05:16.37 | fredrin | true |
| 05:16.44 | doc|work | trick is to find what doesn't |
| 05:16.56 | doc|work | what will go up in price as they do |
| 05:17.15 | mwester | is betting on land. |
| 05:17.26 | doc|work | not right now, imo, property is overpriced |
| 05:17.29 | doc|work | maybe in a couple of years |
| 05:17.42 | fredrin | good choice |
| 05:17.55 | mwester | dunno where you live, but here property has decreased in value 25% in the past two years. |
| 05:18.13 | doc|work | mwester: there's no reason for that to end any time soon |
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| 05:18.20 | mwester | And since we're already seeing inflation, that'll end soon. |
| 05:18.38 | doc|work | maybe, but inflation generally shows in assets that people need before assets they want |
| 05:18.45 | mwester | And if we get hyper-inflation, well, property is the only thing of value, although you'll not be able to sell it for a while... |
| 05:18.47 | fredrin | in argentina i guess the prices is more or less the same, a bit lower, but all over cheap compeared to the rest of the world |
| 05:18.48 | doc|work | but hey, we might see another bubble maybe |
| 05:19.18 | doc|work | mwester: I'd bet on commodities and precious metals over property at this point but to each their own :) |
| 05:19.33 | fredrin | jupp, ther's always a bobble, think it's got something to do with the human mind |
| 05:19.45 | mwester | energy, gold, and property. That's my bet. |
| 05:19.57 | doc|work | fredrin: there's not always a bubble. In the past bubbles were very rare. It's only with paper money you get this many. |
| 05:20.03 | mwester | (with what little of my retirement funds yet remain, anyway). |
| 05:20.14 | doc|work | mwester: can't go to far wrong with that group I'd think |
| 05:20.22 | fredrin | if your a net producer instead of consumer, you should be ok |
| 05:20.34 | mwester | Yeah. Pity I didn't have that group *before* things fell apart here. |
| 05:20.50 | doc|work | mwester: party isn't over yet :/ |
| 05:21.07 | mwester | Nope. We have three 1/2 more years of it here, guaranteed. |
| 05:21.27 | doc|work | easily |
| 05:21.27 | doc|work | and that's only if they stop screwing with things now, which they likely won't |
| 05:24.16 | mwester | Oh well. :( I'm young enough to be able to recover from this, and old enough that I enjoyed America before it falls to third-world status. |
| 05:24.41 | doc|work | heh |
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| 05:27.41 | fredrin | :) |
| 05:28.37 | doc|work | we shouldn't laugh, we'll have to foot the bill for this fiasco |
| 05:28.39 | doc|work | :( |
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| 05:30.12 | fredrin | i guess, but i think it's more down to individual social groups than WE the nation thing |
| 05:30.52 | fredrin | and good people makes it, buena onda |
| 05:31.11 | fredrin | or what ever |
| 05:31.21 | fredrin | better to laugh |
| 05:31.26 | fredrin | imho |
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| 05:38.25 | doc|work | fredrin: that's not how this works. You're part of the nation. You must pay taxes. |
| 05:38.40 | doc|work | I don't like it either by the way. It's a dumbass system :) |
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| 09:00.56 | skamster | hello there.. does someone know, how i could install the normal debian on my openmoko without formating the whole sd-card? |
| 09:01.27 | skamster | i just have 3 partitions, 1 + 2 are for the second system |
| 09:01.58 | skamster | but the 3. is for my personal files, and these i don't want to format |
| 09:03.27 | ndnihil | it's uSD, it can't possibly be too large for a quick backup |
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| 09:09.17 | skamster | i don't want to make a backup, i had a shr-installation on the internal space.. and on the usd-partition are the config-files, some map-things, etc.. |
| 09:09.47 | skamster | i like this structure, so isn't there a possibility to let the 3. partition be? |
| 09:11.02 | skamster | and by the way.. the 3. partition had about 6 gb... if i backup this over the moko, i had about 3 hours or more.. :s |
| 09:11.13 | skamster | (and the adapter isn't in my near) |
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| 09:26.08 | methril|work | morning |
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| 09:44.00 | badcloud | morning |
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| 09:59.54 | admiral0 | hi. i can't boot from sd |
| 10:00.07 | admiral0 | hi. i can't boot from sd |
| 10:00.15 | admiral0 | hi. i can't boot from sd |
| 10:00.21 | admiral0 | kernel starts but not init |
| 10:00.27 | admiral0 | hi. i can't boot from sd |
| 10:00.27 | admiral0 | kernel starts but not init |
| 10:00.33 | admiral0 | hi. i can't boot from sd |
| 10:00.33 | admiral0 | kernel starts but not init |
| 10:00.37 | dns53 | one line please |
| 10:00.41 | admiral0 | hi. i can't boot from sd |
| 10:00.41 | admiral0 | kernel starts but not init |
| 10:00.41 | admiral0 | already tried init=/sbin/init |
| 10:00.45 | leinirAWAY | admiral0: mibbit is being stupid - please quit and try again |
| 10:00.46 | admiral0 | hi. i can't boot from sd |
| 10:00.46 | admiral0 | kernel starts but not init |
| 10:00.46 | admiral0 | already tried init=/sbin/init |
| 10:00.52 | admiral0 | hi. i can't boot from sd |
| 10:00.52 | admiral0 | kernel starts but not init |
| 10:00.52 | admiral0 | already tried init=/sbin/init |
| 10:00.57 | admiral0 | hi. i can't boot from sd |
| 10:00.57 | admiral0 | kernel starts but not init |
| 10:00.57 | admiral0 | already tried init=/sbin/init |
| 10:01.03 | admiral0 | hi. i can't boot from sd |
| 10:01.03 | admiral0 | kernel starts but not init |
| 10:01.03 | admiral0 | already tried init=/sbin/init |
| 10:01.09 | admiral0 | hi. i can't boot from sd |
| 10:01.09 | admiral0 | kernel starts but not init |
| 10:01.09 | admiral0 | already tried init=/sbin/init |
| 10:01.16 | admiral0 | hi. i can't boot from sd |
| 10:01.16 | admiral0 | kernel starts but not init |
| 10:01.16 | admiral0 | already tried init=/sbin/init |
| 10:01.17 | transylvania | no flood kick ? |
| 10:01.21 | admiral0 | hi. i can't boot from sd |
| 10:01.21 | admiral0 | kernel starts but not init |
| 10:01.21 | admiral0 | already tried init=/sbin/init |
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| 10:02.24 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:02.31 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:02.31 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:02.37 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:02.37 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:02.42 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:02.42 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:02.49 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:02.49 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:02.55 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:02.55 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:03.01 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:03.01 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:03.08 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:03.09 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
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| 10:03.16 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:03.16 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:03.22 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:03.22 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:03.28 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:03.28 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:03.34 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:03.34 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:03.40 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:03.40 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:03.46 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:03.46 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:04.04 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:04.04 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:04.04 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:04.04 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:04.05 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:04.05 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:04.13 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:04.13 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:04.19 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:04.19 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:04.25 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:04.25 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:04.31 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:04.31 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:04.39 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:04.39 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:04.46 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:04.46 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:04.46 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:04.52 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:04.52 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:04.52 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:05.00 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:05.00 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:05.00 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:05.07 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:05.07 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:05.07 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:05.14 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:05.14 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:05.14 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:05.21 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:05.21 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:05.21 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:05.27 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:05.27 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:05.27 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:05.31 | robtaylor | admiral0: repeating your question is not going to make anyone answer it quicker |
| 10:05.34 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:05.34 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:05.34 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:05.35 | Fragggy | wtf? |
| 10:05.41 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:05.41 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:05.41 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:05.41 | leinirAWAY | robtaylor: He is not repeating it - mibbit is |
| 10:05.44 | robtaylor | admiral0: all it means is a) you're annoying the fuck out of everyone |
| 10:05.46 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:05.47 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:05.47 | admiral0 | anyone? |
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| 10:05.51 | leinirAWAY | admiral0: Please use a proper IRC client :) |
| 10:05.52 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:05.52 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:05.52 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:05.57 | robtaylor | admiral0: and b) we can't even see your original question |
| 10:05.58 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:05.58 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:05.58 | admiral0 | anyone? |
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| 10:06.07 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:06.07 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:06.07 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:06.14 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:06.14 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:06.14 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:06.16 | robtaylor | who has ops? |
| 10:06.23 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:06.23 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:06.23 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:06.28 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:06.29 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:06.29 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:06.29 | admiral0 | i am behind a university proxy. |
| 10:06.36 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:06.36 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:06.36 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:06.36 | admiral0 | i am behind a university proxy. |
| 10:06.41 | methril|work | stop putting the same question again and again |
| 10:06.42 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:06.42 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:06.42 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:06.42 | admiral0 | i am behind a university proxy. |
| 10:06.44 | methril|work | plesae |
| 10:06.48 | leinirAWAY | admiral0: That does not change the fact that mibbit is being stupid :) |
| 10:06.48 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:06.48 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:06.48 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:06.49 | admiral0 | i am behind a university proxy. |
| 10:06.55 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:06.55 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:06.55 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:06.56 | leinirAWAY | methril|work: It still is not him doing it |
| 10:06.57 | admiral0 | i am behind a university proxy. |
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| 10:07.03 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:07.03 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:07.03 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:07.05 | admiral0 | i am behind a university proxy. |
| 10:07.10 | admiral0 | back again. It mounts root as i see, but does not start init. Booting NAND is OK |
| 10:07.10 | admiral0 | What should i do? |
| 10:07.11 | admiral0 | anyone? |
| 10:07.13 | admiral0 | i am behind a university proxy. |
| 10:07.15 | *** part/#openmoko admiral0 (i=83af0c56@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-58cfdef74b9b0421) |
| 10:07.28 | robtaylor | thank f**k for that |
| 10:07.47 | leinirAWAY | i would like to murder whoever wrote mibbit so stupidly that it does that |
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| 10:08.13 | robtaylor | urgh |
| 10:08.33 | m0nt0 | lol |
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| 10:10.19 | CM_work | I have to use mibbit because everything else is blocked from work.. :( |
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| 10:10.57 | |Marco| | CM_work: tunneling? |
| 10:11.25 | CM_work | |Marco|: Well, I did set up stunnel at home, but I don't think the security people here would like that |
| 10:11.50 | CM_work | is a consultant, right now at the Swedish tax authority |
| 10:12.31 | pieterc | is ssh not working properly with the most recent test release of om 2009? |
| 10:12.32 | CM_work | Guess the easiest way would be to get a Netbook with 3G wireless :) |
| 10:12.37 | pieterc | I can't get it to work :s |
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| 10:13.03 | mickeyl | DocScrutinizer: you should be able to OP yourself now on this channel |
| 10:13.04 | dns53 | not an openmoko with gprs? |
| 10:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | mickeyl: k, thanks |
| 10:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | mickeyl: k, "thanks! ;-)" |
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| 10:16.53 | pieterc | anyone tried the fatfingershell ? |
| 10:18.10 | Etu | Does it exist any jffs2 build of debian for the freerunner? |
| 10:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | pieterc: checked for ethXX instead of usb0? |
| 10:18.34 | pieterc | DocScrutinizer, yep |
| 10:18.39 | pieterc | it was eth2 |
| 10:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 10:18.42 | pieterc | no chance though |
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| 10:19.07 | pieterc | Going to flash the release of 21 of may i guess... |
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| 10:24.50 | pieterc | I'm going to release the openmoko in Belgium with a sim card with free gprs included... I might need some help |
| 10:24.52 | pieterc | anyone in? |
| 10:25.28 | lindi- | pieterc: release? |
| 10:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure some are :-) sounds very intriguing |
| 10:25.41 | pieterc | release the package |
| 10:26.07 | pieterc | I'm doing it as a student job at mobile vikings |
| 10:26.18 | pieterc | it's a belgian operator |
| 10:26.18 | DocScrutinizer | pieterc: what exactly is included in that package? what are your plans? |
| 10:26.31 | pieterc | a prepaid plan sim-card |
| 10:26.33 | pieterc | and the openmoko |
| 10:26.37 | pieterc | in 2 versions |
| 10:26.43 | pieterc | with android preinstalled |
| 10:26.50 | pieterc | and with OM2009 preinstalled |
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| 10:26.58 | pieterc | OM2009 for the more advance developers |
| 10:26.58 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, no SHR? |
| 10:27.21 | pieterc | hm... I like SHR but i think it's not good for final release |
| 10:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, seems to apply to the other mentioned distos as well ;-) |
| 10:28.03 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 10:28.11 | pieterc | Yea... I was just hoping on panicking to finish android in august:p |
| 10:28.14 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, nice to hear |
| 10:28.15 | pieterc | android 1.5 |
| 10:28.26 | pieterc | I contacted Sean yet about it |
| 10:29.04 | pieterc | he seemed quite interested |
| 10:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | will evice be subsidized? |
| 10:29.18 | pieterc | think he's glad he'll be able to make some positive publicity |
| 10:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 10:29.36 | DocScrutinizer | you bet he is |
| 10:29.47 | pieterc | well since mobile vikings want to release it as their open Mobile Vikings device |
| 10:29.56 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 10:29.57 | pieterc | I guess they're going to put some money into it |
| 10:30.35 | pieterc | I'm would be responsible for making a good community and as for now... I'm the one with most knowledge about openmoko |
| 10:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | as it (obviously) can not be simlocked, I guess it won't be THAT much though ;-D |
| 10:30.46 | pieterc | DocScrutinizer, are you mad? |
| 10:31.03 | pieterc | DocScrutinizer, I don't know how you even van THINK that;) |
| 10:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | call me MadDoc ;-D |
| 10:31.08 | pieterc | haha |
| 10:31.26 | pieterc | good one;) |
| 10:31.47 | pieterc | always wondered how it would be to get courses from maddog:p |
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| 10:32.35 | pieterc | I was just hoping to get some community support here about this project |
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| 10:32.50 | pieterc | I will set up a mailinglist for the mobile vikings phone soon |
| 10:33.41 | pieterc | it should contain some applications about mobile vikings too |
| 10:33.42 | pieterc | like |
| 10:33.51 | pieterc | checking how much money you got left |
| 10:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | pieterc: I strongly suggest you /join #openmoko-cdevel |
| 10:34.01 | pieterc | i joined yet |
| 10:35.50 | pieterc | anyone knows how panicking is evolving in developing android cupcake? |
| 10:36.17 | DocScrutinizer | pieterc: if MV got sth like "*100#" it will be incredibly easy to do accound query ;-) |
| 10:36.41 | pieterc | I was thinking about making it a gprs application |
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| 10:36.53 | pieterc | since that's free anyway |
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| 10:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | hhmmmm, then probably it'll fail the moment you need it most :-D |
| 10:37.31 | pieterc | no it won't |
| 10:37.36 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, ok |
| 10:37.39 | pieterc | ;) |
| 10:37.53 | pieterc | it's free gprs;) |
| 10:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like a very nice data plan. Can I roam in Germany ? ;-)) |
| 10:38.15 | pieterc | roaming edge gprs is expensive :p |
| 10:38.17 | pieterc | too bad ;) |
| 10:38.26 | pieterc | you can check rates at www.mobilevikings.be |
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| 10:39.21 | DocScrutinizer | well, I surely have enough FR devices by now, and probably am happy with my data flat. Anyway thanks |
| 10:40.57 | pieterc | anyone knows whether you just can sell android devices without asking google? |
| 10:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | duh, it's opensource at last. But not sure about Android, I don't like it, never cared |
| 10:42.55 | DocScrutinizer | pieterc: ever considered a dual-boot system, and selling only one version? |
| 10:43.08 | pieterc | yes i was thinking about that too |
| 10:43.47 | pieterc | but then you wouldn't be able to change your sd card as a user |
| 10:43.59 | pieterc | or you would |
| 10:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | pieterc: if it's about help in general, you really should ask in devel chan |
| 10:44.06 | pieterc | but you would have to know what you were doing :p |
| 10:44.11 | pieterc | ok |
| 10:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | this is more like the user channel. Devels are supposed to hang around over there ;-) |
| 10:45.18 | DocScrutinizer | setting up this kind of project really sounds like devel to me |
| 10:45.27 | pieterc | ok |
| 10:45.29 | pieterc | alright:p |
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| 11:14.22 | beer_ | have you heard about the GNU Phone? http://notnews.today.com/2008/09/22/free-software-foundation-announces-gnuphone/ |
| 11:15.05 | Weiss | beer_: you know you can dial the phone on openmoko from the command line? :D |
| 11:15.29 | samgee | ooh, openmoko stuff is going to happen in Belgium? |
| 11:15.32 | samgee | sweet |
| 11:17.39 | samgee | facebook, msn and twitter on my mobile |
| 11:17.49 | samgee | yes, that's exactly what I want :\ |
| 11:18.58 | pieterc | samgee: where are you from (in belgium i mean) |
| 11:19.20 | samgee | Antwerp province |
| 11:20.13 | pieterc | alright, i'm hoping to achieve something together with mobile vikings |
| 11:20.22 | pieterc | so keep in touch ;) |
| 11:20.48 | samgee | ok |
| 11:22.53 | samgee | btw, identi.ca, jabber > twitter, msn |
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| 11:23.20 | Zorkman | samgee: there is already a twitter client for openmoko and also an msn one :) |
| 11:23.58 | methril|work | pigdin and it's plugins does the work |
| 11:24.58 | samgee | Zorkman, but identi.ca and jabber are the ones you want clients for |
| 11:25.53 | dns53 | i'd like telepathy support but i'm not going to do it |
| 11:25.57 | Zorkman | samgee; don't know identi.ca very good, but i can't believe if there is a twitter client it would be hard to modify it to a identi.ca client |
| 11:27.55 | samgee | Zorkman, very likely, but the point is that I'd like the free alternatives to get the attention instead of everyone always promoting the non-free ones |
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| 11:44.37 | admiral0 | hi again. sorry for flooding before. It was mibbit. |
| 11:45.07 | admiral0 | turning back to my question |
| 11:45.29 | admiral0 | have you got any idea why init does not start? |
| 11:45.55 | admiral0 | kernel starts, i'm at "freeing init memory" and then... nothing |
| 11:46.48 | dns53 | the kernel is not reading the init program on the root partition, so are you telling the linux kernel where it should mount it's / |
| 11:47.17 | admiral0 | it mounts p1 on mmcblk as expected |
| 11:47.29 | admiral0 | it sees ext3 filesystem as expected |
| 11:47.46 | admiral0 | i tried even to pass init=/sbin/init |
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| 11:47.54 | admiral0 | nothing changes |
| 11:48.02 | admiral0 | ah, i'm using qi |
| 11:48.20 | admiral0 | (loglevel=8 on append_GTA02) |
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| 11:48.38 | dns53 | so you extracted your image to your flash card, and you have a /boot/uImage-GTA2 kernel? |
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| 11:48.46 | admiral0 | yes |
| 11:48.51 | admiral0 | kernel starts |
| 11:49.04 | admiral0 | version 2.6.29-rc3 |
| 11:50.30 | dns53 | should work, try a differen distro |
| 11:52.34 | admiral0 | it started |
| 11:52.46 | admiral0 | i tried init=/bin/bash |
| 11:54.04 | admiral0 | bye guys |
| 11:54.06 | admiral0 | thanks |
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| 13:29.11 | Mirv | hi. on Debian I have a problem that none of the profiles output only to headset, not to speaker. "DAPM Stereo Out" seems to either disable or enable both. |
| 13:31.14 | Mirv | the reason why I'm puzzled is that I think it used to work in Om2008.12, and checking my backup of a headset.state there seems to indicate there is no difference besides a slight volume difference |
| 13:33.02 | Mirv | it's somehow pretty wrong anyway since only left channel on headphones is enabled (and yes I have a motorola-compatible adapter which has worked fluently before) |
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| 13:36.39 | Mirv | DAPM Handset Spk is set to off |
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| 13:40.57 | DocScrutinizer | Mirv: DAPM stereoout is for both, headset AND speaker-sounder |
| 13:42.57 | Mirv | DocScrutinizer: yes, I figured that, but have not found a way to enable only headset, since also both are silenced when disabling that |
| 13:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | if you got only left chan on headset, this seems to indicate stereoout.state has been restored by alsactl, rather than (gsm)headset.state. Anyway amplifier is set to wrong mode (you may veryfy by listening to speaker, it should output same audio) |
| 13:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | mompl, let me look up name of control to switch amp mode |
| 13:44.29 | DocScrutinizer | Mirv: I'd guess that's :: numid=94,iface=MIXER,name='Amp Spk Switch' |
| 13:44.45 | Mirv | I'm restoring state files manually, so headset.state is in use. but indeed Amp Spk Switch is what should matter, but it does not change anything even if I switch it on/off directly in alsamixer |
| 13:44.56 | DocScrutinizer | to switch between speaker-mode and headset-mode |
| 13:45.20 | DocScrutinizer | strange then |
| 13:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | no idea, sorry |
| 13:46.27 | Mirv | well, rebooting at least. is there anything that could be erronously done in the buzz fix that could cause that? I just received my Neo today from Germany. |
| 13:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 13:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | buzzfix unrelated to headset stereo-out |
| 13:47.39 | Mirv | ok, well if reboot does not help I will use some other distro, maybe it's something with Debian's packaged kernel's alsa or something |
| 13:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | hard to believe, but anyway... In lack of better ideas, that's a last approach to find out what's going on |
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| 13:52.31 | DocScrutinizer | Mirv: do NOT shutdown/(re)boot with headset plugged in. Some nonsense in initscripts mangled statefiles and/or mixer state (dunno if this holds true for recent distros or if they finally fixed that, according to my advice) |
| 13:53.29 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: off-hand - do you recall wht needs to be done to enable HS button? |
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| 13:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | power micbias |
| 13:54.06 | SpeedEvil | how? kernel hacking, or ... |
| 13:54.13 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.14 | DocScrutinizer | that is: set one of the corresponding DAPM to ON |
| 13:55.07 | DocScrutinizer | amixer or alsactl |
| 13:55.07 | SpeedEvil | ok |
| 13:55.07 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 13:55.08 | SpeedEvil | thanks - and then it should turn up on one of the input devices I assume? |
| 13:55.21 | DocScrutinizer | iirc correct |
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| 13:55.45 | SpeedEvil | needs to get his GTA01 reflashed, and setup to do GPS tagging. |
| 13:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | see http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2209 |
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| 13:56.28 | SpeedEvil | tanks |
| 13:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | heh, using HOLD button to trigger a location snapshot? cool! :-) |
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| 14:05.28 | Mirv | DocScrutinizer: ok. rebooted without anything attached, but still the same. not that I actually used Debian for music player functionality before, but now I don't have my working om2008.12 anymore... |
| 14:06.08 | Mirv | well, maybe I try building my own andy-tracking kernel as well |
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| 14:07.22 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: sort-of. Using an external fake headset to note time, and voice, for syncing external video recorder/camera |
| 14:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | I'd check all relevant alsa.controls, to make sure you don't set right chan to mute/0% somewhere |
| 14:08.12 | SpeedEvil | yeah - I'll have a look at it sometime soon hopefully. |
| 14:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | Mirv: even digital userland audio device might be wrong somehow. |
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| 14:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | Mirv: e.g you must use the stereo pcm, not the voice mono one |
| 14:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | aplay -l, aplay -L, and aplay -vv -D <device> -c w might help |
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| 14:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | s/c w/c 2/ |
| 14:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | Mirv: also please refer to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem |
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| 14:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | Mirv: and be aware frameworkd does some kinky crippled mixer setup on plug/unplug of headset |
| 14:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | Mirv: which distro? |
| 14:16.59 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, debian |
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| 14:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, try SHR for instance. I think the debian stuff isn't up to date at all wrt alsa statefiles anyway |
| 14:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | Mirv: or at least give SHR scenarii (OMG) statefiles a try on debian |
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| 14:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | writes a notice to send a bomb to France for that scenarii brainfuck |
| 14:19.29 | Ainulindale | DocScrutinizer: pfff :-) |
| 14:19.31 | Mirv | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the tips, not that currently helps. and I'm using Debian. |
| 14:19.35 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5113 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: |
| 14:19.35 | CIA-53 | openmoko: STATUS: |
| 14:19.35 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - clarified that "component" is the file name (of the .lib file) |
| 14:19.35 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - accordingly, renamed U.FL-R-SMT to "coax" |
| 14:20.07 | Mirv | tried two adapters and two headphones just to check it's indeed Neo. but really this is all like a wrong statefile, just that no statefile or fiddling with alsamixer helps. hmph. |
| 14:21.18 | dehqan | hi 2 all , in which country Freerunner hardware is made ? |
| 14:21.21 | DocScrutinizer | Ainulindale: ask mwester what he thinks about it ;-) And if he has a deja vu maybe, wrt to some kernel hacker idiots "cleaning up" /sysfs and /dev names |
| 14:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | sorry for my explicit wording, it's just I felt this way ;-D |
| 14:22.08 | Ainulindale | DocScrutinizer: well |
| 14:22.11 | Ainulindale | we built a new package |
| 14:22.14 | Ainulindale | we had to put it somewhere |
| 14:22.22 | Ainulindale | I didn't clean anything, I just put it somewhere |
| 14:22.38 | slaxxer | where is is |
| 14:23.11 | DocScrutinizer | thinks it wuld have been muuuuch more reasonable to override default statefiles by SHR stuff, without changing pathnames |
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| 14:24.05 | DocScrutinizer | so you don't need nasty hacks to frameworkd or silly symlinks to put everything back to operation |
| 14:24.09 | Ainulindale | DocScrutinizer: well we can't do that without opkg complaining |
| 14:24.17 | dehqan | 2- is there service to fix buzz for models a5 and a6 ? |
| 14:24.17 | Ainulindale | DocScrutinizer: there are no nasty hacks to do to the framework |
| 14:24.20 | Ainulindale | We changed the default configuration |
| 14:24.22 | Ainulindale | That's all |
| 14:24.26 | Ainulindale | And we've been doing that from the start |
| 14:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | hmmpf, still feels terribly odd |
| 14:24.47 | Ainulindale | Well we need to do that anyway for custom rules and such |
| 14:25.34 | DocScrutinizer | I promise biiig headache arising from this ;-D |
| 14:25.39 | Mirv | baah, well, maybe I now just try packaged 2.6.28 kernel instead of 2.6.29 |
| 14:26.02 | Mirv | DocScrutinizer: thanks a lot for help, I think you have been the person that has answered my questions every time :) |
| 14:26.29 | DocScrutinizer | Mirv: you're free to do that. Still I don't think it will cure your "left-only" headset issue |
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| 14:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | Mirv: welcome |
| 14:27.08 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 14:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | ciao |
| 14:27.30 | Mirv | I also now tried headset.state from SHR's openmoko-alsa-scenarios, though also that doesn't really differ from mine |
| 14:28.57 | dehqan | 2- Is there any service to fix buzz for models a5 and a6 ? |
| 14:29.55 | DocScrutinizer | dehqan: your reseller should do that for you |
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| 14:43.54 | Mirv | DocScrutinizer: both problems (only left channel, speaker on, when using headset.state) disappeared when I changed to Debian's 2.6.28 instead of 2.6.29. next up using my self-compiled kernel. |
| 14:44.05 | Mirv | glad to always find at least one way to fix a problem :) |
| 14:47.19 | PaulFertser | Mirv: which .29 are you using? There was a version with control names non-truncated... |
| 14:48.26 | jc | ohoh...fix some feed bug on planet, but all old article show up. |
| 14:48.53 | Mirv | PaulFertser: the one in Debian-FSO, which is from March.. and which indeed output about truncating controls when booting... |
| 14:50.31 | PaulFertser | Mirv: i think i used .29 (self compiled of course) here for quite some time and it works ok. |
| 14:51.44 | PaulFertser | Mirv: just inserted my headphones, madplayed some file, i hear good stereo. The latest andy-tracking here. |
| 14:52.14 | PaulFertser | Mirv: haven't switch any statefiles, it was stereoout and frameworkd tweaked one control on jack insertion. |
| 14:54.02 | PaulFertser | Mirv: namely 'amixer -d sset "Amp Spk" mute' |
| 14:55.44 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5114 10/trunk/gta02-core/docs/kicad-wishlist: |
| 14:55.44 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Bumped priority of text alignment. Added a bit more details about the |
| 14:55.44 | CIA-53 | openmoko: push router. |
| 14:56.46 | PaulFertser | Mirv: without Amp Spk muted i indeed hear only left channel and main speaker. |
| 14:57.26 | slaxxer | shr-unstable battery goes completely down overnight |
| 14:57.32 | slaxxer | dry |
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| 14:57.41 | PaulFertser | Too bad i haven't tried to listen to the music before my bass fix. So i have nothing to compare with to get excited about. |
| 14:59.10 | dehqan | hi 2 all , in which country Freerunner hardware is made ? |
| 14:59.20 | Mirv | PaulFertser: yep. it seems like the Amp Spk does not work on the only Debian's 2.6.29. the same kernel also has battery level broken, so it's just that no-one has updated the packaged version for a while. |
| 14:59.33 | Mirv | PaulFertser: I know just booted my own 2.6.29 from andy-tracking tip, and it works great |
| 14:59.57 | PaulFertser | Mirv: great to hear. |
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| 15:00.54 | PaulFertser | dehqan: Taiwan, TPE or Schengen. |
| 15:01.24 | PaulFertser | (i think i mistyped/misremembered the second one) |
| 15:01.45 | PaulFertser | (too many thought about fucking visa recently) |
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| 15:05.04 | jc | PaulFertser: Suzhou, China. |
| 15:05.26 | PaulFertser | jc: yep, sorry for not knowing it, i think i'm bad at geography. |
| 15:05.45 | PaulFertser | jc: what is the official status of Taiwan from PRC's POV atm? |
| 15:06.45 | jc | PaulFertser: For me, Taiwan is an independent country called Republic of China. |
| 15:07.43 | jc | PaulFertser: however, I don't know how long will this remain, Ma administration is thinking in the opposite way. |
| 15:09.08 | PaulFertser | jc: i hope that any attempt to change status quo will be economically damaging to PRC, so administration will continue to say void words about it while actually not doing anything. |
| 15:09.33 | jc | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware/it starting from v03 |
| 15:11.25 | jc | PaulFertser: I think the reality is closed to the government is doing anything they want but ignore the voices from people in this island. |
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| 16:01.28 | rzr__ | yet an other distro (maemo+ubuntu) for FR : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mer |
| 16:01.29 | rzr__ | hi |
| 16:01.31 | rzr__ | + |
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| 16:06.14 | slaxxer | yea |
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| 16:08.44 | slaxxer | going to be great |
| 16:10.22 | mihairu | is here anyone with shr-unstable and gestures wowrking on it? :) |
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| 16:14.53 | badcloud | am I the only one who thinks we should focus on 3 or 4 distros instead of spreading things a little thin with >10? |
| 16:15.12 | mjr | apparently yes |
| 16:15.57 | SpeedEvil | One distro |
| 16:16.10 | badcloud | nice that you took it upon yourself to give everybody's opinion, mjr |
| 16:16.49 | mjr | why ask if you only accept one answer? |
| 16:17.29 | badcloud | I'll accept any answer if given thought through explanation |
| 16:17.44 | ask | it is my name |
| 16:19.07 | badcloud | all I'm saying is that we have over 10 distros, and you can have a near-decent daily phone experience with barely 2 |
| 16:19.39 | badcloud | shouldn't the goal be to put something in the hands of an average user too? |
| 16:19.54 | badcloud | something that won't be a nice addition to his old phone |
| 16:19.58 | max_posedon | badcloud, why you want this? |
| 16:20.04 | badcloud | but replace it, and with so much more |
| 16:20.21 | badcloud | max_posedon, why do I want a polished phone experience? |
| 16:20.22 | max_posedon | why you want make desitions about their free type instead them selfs |
| 16:20.39 | badcloud | max, not quite sure I understand |
| 16:20.41 | max_posedon | *their free time* |
| 16:20.49 | Ainulindale | badcloud: could I know which are these two distros? :-) |
| 16:20.49 | badcloud | whose free time? |
| 16:20.57 | max_posedon | developers's |
| 16:21.07 | max_posedon | who works on >10 different distros |
| 16:21.14 | badcloud | Ainulindale, shr testing/unstable, FSO5 |
| 16:21.22 | badcloud | I see |
| 16:21.31 | badcloud | I'm not interested in making any decisions regarding their time |
| 16:21.53 | badcloud | only that they realize my standpoint |
| 16:22.00 | max_posedon | if you want polished phone expirence, just put your afforts there |
| 16:22.01 | badcloud | and probably other's standpoints as well |
| 16:22.08 | badcloud | I would if I could |
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| 16:22.14 | max_posedon | as for me - I don't want OE |
| 16:22.16 | badcloud | might start learning programing soon |
| 16:22.21 | max_posedon | I want Gentoo |
| 16:22.41 | max_posedon | and spent many time for fixing gentoo. |
| 16:22.55 | badcloud | I'll put some effort into porting apps |
| 16:22.57 | max_posedon | I don't see any reason why I should stop it. |
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| 16:23.33 | badcloud | but I don't see why after a year +, the basics couldn't be layed out by now |
| 16:23.44 | badcloud | suspend working properly, phone, etc |
| 16:24.20 | max_posedon | shr as software is very good for me |
| 16:24.48 | badcloud | as *software* |
| 16:25.04 | badcloud | but it's a phone, is it not? |
| 16:25.24 | max_posedon | shr-unstable+OE as phone - good |
| 16:25.34 | badcloud | I meant the device |
| 16:25.37 | max_posedon | works good for me last 3 month, with some problems |
| 16:25.41 | max_posedon | yes, I mean too. |
| 16:26.10 | badcloud | I still can't get over lack of 'sms # --> nick resolve' |
| 16:26.20 | max_posedon | works for me |
| 16:26.37 | max_posedon | shr-ustable+configure your country tel code in config |
| 16:26.41 | badcloud | it's ridiculous to have to scroll for 5 minutes through my contacts to figure out who the sms is from |
| 16:27.05 | max_posedon | once more - *works for me* |
| 16:27.09 | badcloud | got it |
| 16:27.21 | max_posedon | you need configure tel number codes |
| 16:27.33 | max_posedon | in /etc/<someconfig> |
| 16:27.47 | badcloud | I'm not adventurous enough to go back to unstable for the 5th time. I'm sticking with testing April14 until something stable comes out |
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| 16:28.32 | badcloud | the thing is, not everyone wants to spend hours in front of an ssh session with their phone until everything works at a certain level |
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| 16:28.39 | badcloud | *on |
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| 16:29.00 | SpeedEvil | Or can spare the time if they do want to. |
| 16:29.05 | max_posedon | in other case, any other phone can't do it properly |
| 16:29.12 | SpeedEvil | I'd love to be able to do that ATM - but am in thte garden sorting out pots |
| 16:29.20 | max_posedon | if you have 2 people with same numbers |
| 16:29.28 | max_posedon | from different countries |
| 16:29.35 | max_posedon | only neo will work |
| 16:29.46 | max_posedon | or in same country, but with different prefixes |
| 16:29.49 | SpeedEvil | That can never happen |
| 16:29.57 | max_posedon | SpeedEvil, never?! why? |
| 16:30.00 | badcloud | never mind |
| 16:30.06 | max_posedon | +375 29 xxxyyyz |
| 16:30.08 | max_posedon | +375 44 xxxyyyz |
| 16:30.11 | SpeedEvil | because you store teh numbers with the international prefixes |
| 16:30.20 | Ainulindale | badcloud: for the country code thing |
| 16:30.21 | max_posedon | it is really possible in Belarus |
| 16:30.25 | Ainulindale | we modified it to handle that |
| 16:30.27 | Ainulindale | for SMSes |
| 16:30.37 | max_posedon | SpeedEvil, recive sms |
| 16:30.41 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 16:30.42 | Ainulindale | if you use latest unstable which will switch to testing ASAP, you should be able to use it |
| 16:30.49 | max_posedon | any other phone will fail I think |
| 16:30.52 | Ainulindale | it's in /etc/frameworkd-phonegui.conf |
| 16:30.58 | Ainulindale | We plan to do a screen for that |
| 16:31.12 | max_posedon | it is usual hack to check just latest 7 digits |
| 16:31.33 | max_posedon | (reason why you don't need configure it on all others phones) |
| 16:31.35 | Ainulindale | Anyway, here it works real fine |
| 16:31.43 | max_posedon | Ainulindale, btw, what about this hack for shr? |
| 16:31.48 | max_posedon | at least by default |
| 16:33.21 | Ainulindale | Which hack? |
| 16:33.30 | Ainulindale | Checking last 7 digits? |
| 16:33.33 | max_posedon | yep |
| 16:33.33 | Ainulindale | It has no meaning and I won't do it |
| 16:33.48 | Ainulindale | I don't like hacks |
| 16:33.54 | Ainulindale | Plus DocScrutinizer would shout at me if I did |
| 16:34.01 | max_posedon | ) |
| 16:34.45 | max_posedon | for you, France codes by default better than this hack) |
| 16:34.59 | max_posedon | (or Germany0 |
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| 16:35.21 | Ainulindale | well this hack would be a pain to handle anyway |
| 16:35.27 | Ainulindale | And would differ from country to country |
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| 18:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, Ainulindale knows me by now ;-D |
| 18:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | and, even better, he's right |
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| 18:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | btw: If any of the SHR guys would want to consider to implement the "best match" augment to the standard number normalization+search algo, it would even easily match max-posedon's suggested "hack". Set CC, AC, IP, NP TO "", max_cut_trailing=0, max_cut_leading=99, min_core_match=7 |
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| 18:32.52 | slaxxer | next is missing from the mplayer "add" menu |
| 18:33.05 | slaxxer | hung there |
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| 18:36.03 | slaxxer | had to reboot 3 times |
| 18:36.19 | slaxxer | i have a desktop |
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| 19:09.46 | slaxxer | will openmokos apps work on the new pre? |
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| 19:19.53 | slaxxer | planet change? |
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| 20:05.25 | cold2na | Openmoko and OpenBSD? |
| 20:05.38 | cold2na | where can I find more info? |
| 20:07.56 | Blu3 | uhm... openbsd on an openmoko? |
| 20:11.08 | cold2na | I am sorry, in OpenBSd class some people mentioned it; didnt ask thought I would ask here first |
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| 20:25.20 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r31c827b632e8 10fso-monitord/src/usage.vala: Set missint IFACE for usage |
| 20:25.21 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r66257faad30e 10fso-monitord/src/usage.vala: |
| 20:25.22 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "Set missint IFACE for usage" |
| 20:25.22 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 31c827b632e8e8db9ba57c31571e8e95d38dbc08. |
| 20:25.24 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r5f156ecfc7e4 10/src/monitor.vala: Added debug output in Subsystem.run |
| 20:25.27 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r20767782f109 10/src/monitor.vala: Using fdo.DBus.Peer for Ping() |
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| 21:19.38 | feugan3333 | Hi guys. What is the best way to play with openmoko apps on my PC until my FreeRunner arrives (being shipped) |
| 21:26.23 | CVirus | [00:19] <lynx_r> anybody know how to log in #python channal? |
| 21:26.25 | CVirus | ROFL |
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| 21:54.53 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r538b288d7493 10fso-monitord/src/gsm.vala: Renamed *HomeZone dbus calls to +Status |
| 21:54.53 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * re0f6a02c25f3 10fso-monitord/src/ (device.vala gsm.vala phone.vala preferences.vala): Moved setting of interface to construct |
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| 22:17.15 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * r3c61cd32b2dc 10fso-monitord/src/monitor.vala: Using Dbus.Peer for Ping |
| 22:20.18 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07dbus-hlid * ra61b9d92e22f 10fso-monitord/src/gsm.vala: Fixed typo in FSO.GSM.PDP interface |
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| 22:44.08 | fredrin | "We are the robots" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ got it in my head |
| 22:44.08 | fredrin | classic |
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| 22:55.21 | pieterc-moko | gprs + moko rules :p |
| 22:55.37 | rooly | so they finally got it working? |
| 22:56.00 | pieterc-moko | hm? |
| 22:56.12 | pieterc-moko | im on shr |
| 22:56.13 | rooly | well, gprs wasn't working last i tried to use it |
| 22:56.39 | pieterc-moko | shr gprs works quite well |
| 22:57.25 | pieterc-moko | i got it working with om2009 aswell |
| 22:58.19 | pieterc-moko | wapedia.mobi and midori is cool |
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