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| 00:10.50 | tim_abell | i've just flashed my freerunner with om2009. how can i find out which applications i can safely install with opkg, and which will mess things up? |
| 00:13.16 | tim_abell | oh, and the spookiest thing, i'd imported my contacts as vcards into my fdom install on the internal flash, and also onto my qtopia install on the sd card. i reflashed the internal rootfs and kernel with om2009, and repartitioned and formatted the sd card in a card reader, and was more than a little suprised to see my contacts sat there in the contacts of my fresh om2009 install |
| 00:14.09 | tim_abell | what could have happened? |
| 00:14.33 | tim_abell | oh, and hello :) |
| 00:18.56 | ndnihil | check your sim, they're probably on that |
| 00:19.05 | Blu3 | contacts are stored on sim |
| 00:19.29 | tim_abell | oh :D |
| 00:20.02 | tim_abell | i wasn't expecting that |
| 00:20.08 | Blu3 | ;] |
| 00:20.46 | tim_abell | i followed the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts |
| 00:21.23 | tim_abell | perhaps someone who has more understanding than me could add something informative to it |
| 00:21.46 | tim_abell | so "addressbook path_to_vCards_file_to_import.vcf" put them straight into the sim? |
| 00:22.06 | tim_abell | or does it copy them to both the sim and the sqlite db for good measure |
| 00:22.33 | tim_abell | = noob even after having the phone for months |
| 00:25.30 | tim_abell | any ideas on the opkg thing? I've been burnt before when a package has replaced things i didn't bargain on (I lost the nice full illume keyboard from fdom last time) |
| 00:28.17 | tim_abell | basically i want a list of what is more or less safe to install under om2009 without breaking it |
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| 00:29.34 | tim_abell | like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications |
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| 06:55.15 | |Ron| | The FR has a nice little empty compartment beside the battery, I like to use that space... What kind of sensors would be fun/handly to put in there (digital compass, temperature, humidity etc.)? |
| 06:56.55 | Blu3 | get an all in one chip and put in there |
| 06:57.13 | Blu3 | i'll caution you tho, humidity sensors tend to be a fair penny more than cheap temp sensors |
| 06:58.09 | Blu3 | not sure you'll get a humidity sensor working inside the case unless you bore through the back of it |
| 06:58.11 | DocScrutinizer | temp and humidity is fairly useless there - closed compartment next to heating bat |
| 06:58.59 | Blu3 | maybe just a digital compass chip? |
| 06:59.08 | |Ron| | would that be handy? |
| 06:59.26 | Blu3 | i'm sure for some it would |
| 06:59.33 | Blu3 | for those who are stationary |
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| 06:59.50 | Blu3 | if you're on the move, your gps data will tell you which direction you're headed |
| 07:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | not which heading your device is oriented to though |
| 07:00.43 | Blu3 | it doesn't take a very astute person to calculate the relationship of the two.. |
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| 07:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | still it's a completely different type of info |
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| 07:02.17 | Blu3 | if you say so. if i move north per the gps track, i can figure out that if i'm facing forward, i'm facing north. |
| 07:02.45 | DocScrutinizer | *YOU*, N_O_T freerunner |
| 07:03.07 | DocScrutinizer | pretty useless to orient a map on screen |
| 07:03.20 | Blu3 | holds the freerunner at a 73deg angle in the X plane, 117deg in the Y plane |
| 07:03.46 | Blu3 | like i said. it'd be handy for those who are stationary |
| 07:04.22 | |Ron| | for stationary us... hmmz... ok I'll think about it... |
| 07:04.33 | Blu3 | if i *point* the FR in the direction i'm traveling, i'm pretty certain it's pointing in the same direction i'm traveling ... and as indicated by gps |
| 07:04.39 | Blu3 | you like arguing, don't you |
| 07:05.10 | Wonka | i'd like a 3d gyro instead of one of the 3d accels |
| 07:05.21 | DocScrutinizer | seem it's you who doesnt like to see his assumption isn't exactly correct |
| 07:05.23 | |Ron| | why so? |
| 07:05.43 | |Ron| | Wonka: why so? |
| 07:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | it's more exact |
| 07:06.13 | DocScrutinizer | for rotation around any of the 3 axis |
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| 07:06.48 | Blu3 | nothing about what i said is an assumption. i don't need to aim the FR in -any- direction. if i follow the GPS due north, i can stuff the damned FR in my backpack, and align the map with the direction my feet are standing |
| 07:06.48 | DocScrutinizer | more sensitive for slow rotational speeds |
| 07:06.56 | Wonka | rotation around the axis passing through both accels cannot be sensed at all, atm, and the other two axes aren't exact either |
| 07:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | Blu3: *I* can do things you never would believe. Still *it's a completely different type of info* |
| 07:08.34 | Blu3 | i have arrived at the precise set of info i wanted, "which direction is north" by different means |
| 07:09.09 | Blu3 | the means i arrived at the exact same set of information is immaterial |
| 07:09.29 | DocScrutinizer | "which direction is north" is a null info, you have no related system defined |
| 07:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | the related system is completely different for FR and for you walking any direction. And yet another situation if you are at a boat or train e.g. |
| 07:10.36 | Blu3 | i can hold up an apple and call it a fruit and you'll sit there and argue until you're blue in the face that it's organic material and my definition of 'fruit' is an incorrect assumption |
| 07:10.47 | DocScrutinizer | where you easily might lose sense of your absolute movement |
| 07:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | bah, get yourself a coffee |
| 07:11.23 | DocScrutinizer | bye |
| 07:11.49 | Wonka | still it would be nice to be able to point the FR and get told where north is, in relation to some defined pointer. |
| 07:13.03 | Wonka | for example in geocaching, where you cannot really run around in the wood until you have the luck to get low enough DOP to estimate where north is... |
| 07:13.22 | Wonka | atm i'd carry an extra compass for that |
| 07:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | tell that Blu3, seems he thinks you don't need |
| 07:14.02 | Blu3 | i never said that, i said the opposite |
| 07:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe you are even below par wrt "astute person" |
| 07:15.23 | Blu3 | you sure like twisting things |
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| 07:23.25 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: there are a few nice gyro (usually used in cameras for picture stabilization). Not exactly cheap, but really accurate and sensitive |
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| 07:24.08 | DocScrutinizer | I checked them for GTA04 some time ago |
| 07:24.41 | helgoman | hi |
| 07:24.58 | Wonka | too bad there's no chance for gta04 anytime in the next three years... :/ |
| 07:25.06 | DocScrutinizer | It's a pitty (and not completely clear why) there's no laser gyros yet, for embedded |
| 07:27.16 | DocScrutinizer | btw a magnetic compas is rather hard to put to decent operation inside a phone, as there are relatively high currents flowing nearby |
| 07:27.38 | Wonka | and metal cans too |
| 07:27.57 | DocScrutinizer | and - worse - those are never constant, so you could not even calibrate the compass to compensate for it |
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| 07:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | the metal cans could be compensated, if you find a location for the compass component not too close to them |
| 07:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | vibrator motor even MUUUCH worse ;-) |
| 07:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | and speakers |
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| 07:33.46 | DocScrutinizer | still all this could taken care of by calibration (which btw has to be done for any decent nautic compass as well) - not so the changing high currents. You need a tricky scheme to read out compass only in mments where you know exactly about amount of currents flowing to display LEDs, GSM etc |
| 07:35.35 | DocScrutinizer | this might even mean "suspend whole device, just compass stays alive - then read out after resume" |
| 07:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | as magnetic compass is rather affordable component, we planned to get one in GTA04 nevertheless. If it's of limited use - so what? |
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| 07:41.21 | nullix | hi all |
| 07:42.27 | nullix | i am trying to join Daniel Willmann for Aux button fix since his website goes wrong, does anybody know how to contact him ? |
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| 07:43.15 | nullix | his site is http://projects.totalueberwachung.de/buzz-mailin/ |
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| 08:02.57 | Hopscotc1 | good morning |
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| 08:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | nullix: sorry I was offline for 20min. Did you find Daniel meanwhile? |
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| 08:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-06-04 09:44:23] <DocScrutinizer> nullix: look for alphaone |
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| 08:10.27 | nullix | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 08:11.19 | DrRabbit | ah, found a quirk with Neovento |
| 08:11.36 | DrRabbit | put it into suspend, and wake it up a few minutes later |
| 08:11.52 | DrRabbit | the clock on the main page is still on the time at which it went into suspend |
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| 08:11.57 | DrRabbit | and will be until you reboot it |
| 08:12.09 | DrRabbit | the actual time on the phone is correct |
| 08:13.09 | DrRabbit | oh wait |
| 08:13.09 | DrRabbit | nevermind |
| 08:13.09 | DrRabbit | I was looking at a clock that's 3 minutes fast |
| 08:13.21 | DrRabbit | neovento is still perfect |
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| 08:19.52 | badcloud | time/life |
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| 11:31.05 | mihairu | hi guys... |
| 11:31.52 | mihairu | i have regular headphones plugged in neo freerunner, but sound is only from right phone...is possible to switch mono output to both? |
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| 11:38.28 | DocScrutinizer | mihairu: please check wiki for pin assignment of 2.5mm-4pole on FR. Sstandard headphones" won't work without adapter |
| 11:38.53 | DocScrutinizer | s/Ss/"S/ |
| 11:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | standard 3pole: left-right-(gnd)-gnd; FR-4pole: mic-left-right-gnd |
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| 11:43.44 | mihairu | DocScrutinizer: ok thx |
| 11:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | mihairu: you may get away with retracting plug of "standard hp" by one click |
| 11:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | of xourse a botch |
| 11:46.17 | max_posedon | hm, this is might be a reason for bad sound for me. |
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| 11:46.32 | max_posedon | or without adapter I'll don't hear sound at all? |
| 11:48.24 | DocScrutinizer | max_posedon: the result is you get audio in one channel only |
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| 11:55.50 | max_posedon | wow, /me wants Fiio+E5 |
| 11:56.01 | max_posedon | small, exactly what I need, ~20h |
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| 12:04.15 | SpeedEvil | slightly on-topic. |
| 12:04.31 | SpeedEvil | Do any of the USB 3G modules support voice through USB? |
| 12:05.40 | dns53 | i've been wondering that myself, i don't know enough about phone hardware but my guess is that it might work but i have no real idea |
| 12:06.31 | mjr | I've been thinking about that as well |
| 12:06.36 | mjr | haven't bothered to find out |
| 12:06.55 | dns53 | i'm wondering if you could atleast get cell tower strength so we can find your coords with it |
| 12:07.07 | mjr | theoretically could provide usb audio device or digital transfer via a tty |
| 12:07.32 | SpeedEvil | has a 14k4 modem that does that. |
| 12:07.40 | SpeedEvil | voice over serial |
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| 12:17.08 | badcloud | how do I configure booting om2009 from one sd ext2 partition? |
| 12:17.18 | badcloud | rootfs is already populated |
| 12:17.21 | badcloud | I'm using qi |
| 12:17.51 | badcloud | so, in terms of what to place in the /sd/part_dir/boot dir and such |
| 12:17.52 | dns53 | put your kernel in /boot/ i can't remember the required file name, check the wiki |
| 12:18.17 | badcloud | Appendgta02 or something, right? |
| 12:19.30 | dns53 | /boot/uImage-GTA2.bin i think |
| 12:19.59 | badcloud | is there a need to make a symlink of the kernel somewhere? |
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| 12:21.10 | dns53 | you can make a symlink to that file name but it's up to you, just check the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Files |
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| 12:21.56 | dns53 | so you could just have the one kernel image and have the symlinks so it will boot on a gta1, gta2 or gta3 device |
| 12:22.43 | dns53 | the append is for kernel command line arguments if you want to specify them |
| 12:24.11 | badcloud | thanks |
| 12:29.42 | badcloud | hmmm, qi didn't boot it... |
| 12:29.54 | badcloud | http://pastebin.com/m10383afb <--- fdisk -l output |
| 12:30.04 | badcloud | om2009 is on last part |
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| 12:30.25 | badcloud | I tried specifying it using bootator |
| 12:33.18 | badcloud | could someone take a peek at it and tell me if it's hopeless booting from the last partition |
| 12:33.21 | badcloud | ? |
| 12:35.21 | dns53 | it may be hopeless booting from the last partition of 4, works fine off the first or second partition |
| 12:36.52 | dns53 | you can still use uboot if all else fails |
| 12:37.10 | badcloud | I think I'll just move it to the third |
| 12:37.21 | badcloud | I remember reading that qi checks the first three |
| 12:37.43 | dns53 | i would have expected that to be enough |
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| 12:39.59 | badcloud | true |
| 12:40.13 | badcloud | probably made a mistake putting h1 on fat+ext2 |
| 12:40.33 | badcloud | but then I wouldn't be able to choose which memory to boot from without having to reboot |
| 12:41.35 | badcloud | NOR really comes in handy with many sd partitions |
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| 14:25.51 | Tanuva | can someone explain me how to compile omgps? the INSTALL-instructions obviously don't work since there's no configure script... |
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| 14:26.33 | tomboy64 | Tanuva: is there an autogen.sh? |
| 14:26.50 | Tanuva | nope |
| 14:28.20 | Tanuva | configure.ac and Makefile.am are there, that's somehow all... |
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| 14:29.22 | dns53 | configure.ac can be turned into a ./configure with autoconf |
| 14:29.47 | dns53 | am can be turned into a make file with automake |
| 14:31.18 | Tanuva | hmm... doesn't look like a streamlined build process :/ |
| 14:33.33 | dns53 | it's what most linux applications use they have just run autoconf and automake and included the results in the source |
| 14:37.51 | lindi- | dns53: yep that's how you should release software with autofoo |
| 14:40.56 | PaulFertser | Tanuva: if you fetch a developers snapshot you're supposed to be able to run "autoreconf -i" yourself. |
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| 14:41.48 | Tanuva | aaaah! |
| 14:41.59 | Tanuva | that's what the code was waiting for |
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| 14:54.36 | walkie | any channel about FSO help? |
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| 15:06.35 | Zorkman_ | i have /dev/mtnblock6 and /de/mtnblock7, but mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock7 /mnt doesn't work and gives an error: mount: /dev/mtdblock7: can't read superblock |
| 15:06.53 | mwester | Zorkman_, it's not formatted. |
| 15:07.00 | Zorkman_ | is there a way for me to repartition it then? |
| 15:07.18 | Zorkman_ | i want to merge the partitions into the original 256MB |
| 15:07.22 | mwester | formatting != partitioning |
| 15:07.33 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: if you don't know it, probably you shouldn't try it because you'll be unaware of consequencies. |
| 15:07.45 | Zorkman_ | i don't need any of the data left on it... |
| 15:07.50 | mwester | (Does a FR have mtdblock7 by default?) |
| 15:07.54 | mwester | how did that happen? |
| 15:08.04 | mwester | I thought 6 was the rootfs. |
| 15:08.06 | Zorkman_ | i think it's due to a previousl android installation |
| 15:08.10 | mwester | Oh. |
| 15:08.17 | mwester | Then you need to clean that crap off. |
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| 15:08.35 | Zorkman_ | and i'm on a windows pc, and he won't recognize the FR when booted into the NOR-menu (i have qi) |
| 15:08.46 | Zorkman_ | so i can't reflash the internal nand with dfu-util |
| 15:08.53 | mwester | Android is like wallpaper -- damned difficult to get off, but if you don't get it off the wall completely, you'll be sorry later. |
| 15:09.08 | Zorkman_ | i want to clean the nand, and then i'll just untar shr on it |
| 15:09.15 | Zorkman_ | but i don't know how to do it when booted from SD |
| 15:09.51 | mwester | Zorkman_, you need to get to the uboot menu to fix it up. |
| 15:10.38 | Zorkman_ | in that case ill have to do that at home...; no linux available atm (and i don't understand why it won't recognize my fr when booted into NOR... used to work...) |
| 15:13.11 | mwester | That's a good question - I wonder if the NOR env presents itself with a different USB ID than NAND -- if so, that would be a bug, but very difficult to fix... |
| 15:13.34 | mwester | or rather, easy to fix but difficult to install :-) |
| 15:14.33 | mwester | thinks the image of the FR on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page needs to change so that one of the animations it cycles through is a cracked broken screen. |
| 15:14.45 | mwester | or perhaps a tombstone. |
| 15:17.02 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: no, quantity of nand partitions is fully determined by a bootloader. |
| 15:17.07 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: nothing to do with Android |
| 15:21.14 | Zorkman_ | mwester: lol :) |
| 15:21.36 | Zorkman_ | PaulFertser: but do you know a way to fix it when booted from SD? |
| 15:25.34 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: "cat /proc/cmdline" |
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| 15:26.07 | Zorkman_ | PaulFertser: loglevel=4 console=tty0 console=ttySAC2,115200 init=/sbin/init ro mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(qi),0x00040000(depr-ub-env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(depr),0x00040000(identity-ext2),0x04000000(system),0x0b6a0000(userdata) g_ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:08:10 g_ether.dev_addr=00:1F:11:01:08:10 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=1 loglevel=0 quiet splash |
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| 15:27.26 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: where's your Qi from? |
| 15:27.56 | Zorkman_ | PaulFertser: i got it some time ago from a link in the wiki |
| 15:28.09 | Zorkman_ | it's been a month or more since i upgraded it |
| 15:29.45 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: then install Qi from openmoko |
| 15:29.56 | Zorkman_ | adn that will help |
| 15:29.57 | Zorkman_ | ? |
| 15:30.30 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: that will change cmdline passed to the kernel. So it will assume NAND is partitioned differently. |
| 15:30.41 | Zorkman_ | ok, thanks for your time and help |
| 15:32.12 | Zorkman_ | PaulFertser: which do you recommend? from http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing, unstable or experimental, or is there no difference? |
| 15:32.45 | Zorkman_ | (anyway, i will need acces with dfu-util..) |
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| 15:34.24 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: let me recheck |
| 15:35.34 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: yes, the latest (from experimental) should work |
| 15:36.01 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: i can't see where that 7th partition comes from :-/ |
| 15:36.21 | Zorkman_ | me neither... but i'm pretty sure it wasn't there before i installed android on it... |
| 15:36.49 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: means you have some strange android-qi version installed probably. |
| 15:36.59 | Zorkman_ | but i just recieved my Fr back from debuzzing, and i had to miss it some weeks, only tested android for about 15min before I sent it with the mail, so i'm not that sure at all |
| 15:37.35 | PaulFertser | Zorkman_: anyway you got some wrong cmdline and it comes from the BL you use. |
| 15:38.16 | Zorkman_ | ok, i'll fix it when i'm able to |
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| 15:41.30 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 15:54.51 | walkie | how to turn on wifi on FSO? |
| 15:56.15 | PaulFertser | walkie: SHR settings |
| 15:56.37 | PaulFertser | walkie: or grab fsoraw from somewhere to request WiFi resource. |
| 15:56.59 | PaulFertser | walkie: or use mdbus to set ousaged WiFi resource policy to "enabled" |
| 15:57.43 | walkie | what is SHR? sorry a little newbie, just found no eth0 and not working ifconfig eth0 up |
| 15:58.19 | PaulFertser | walkie: SHR is a distro that uses FSO reference implementation. |
| 15:58.25 | PaulFertser | walkie: what distro are you using? |
| 15:58.43 | walkie | FSO, milestone 5 i think |
| 15:59.15 | PaulFertser | walkie: you better don't. It's an old image made for FSO testing purposes, nothing more. |
| 15:59.28 | PaulFertser | walkie: either OM2009 or SHR testing is what you probably want. |
| 16:00.32 | walkie | not shure about milestone number, image openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090223-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.bz2 |
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| 16:02.55 | PaulFertser | walkie: there's no FSO distro. There were some images for developers purposes. |
| 16:03.07 | walkie | i did try it for openBmap requirement, and found it working good for the fist look except blank screen times |
| 16:03.32 | walkie | and there is wifi surprise now |
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| 16:09.47 | PaulFertser | walkie: i guess i've already gave you enough information how to get wifi. And i think you can use SHR testing distro, it is including FSO 5.1 already. |
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| 16:14.51 | slaxxer | shr -unstable is great |
| 16:15.09 | slaxxer | june 2 |
| 16:16.14 | slaxxer | slackware64 is out woohoo |
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| 16:35.07 | walkie | thanks, PaulFertser, will try SHR |
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| 16:39.42 | siksika | ciao a tuuti |
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| 16:51.07 | badcloud | has anyone tried this under shr? http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/translate_url_content?.intl=us&lp=fr_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fopenmoko-fr.org%2fwiki%2findex.php%2fImporter_un_carnet_d%2527adresses#Pour_Hackable:1 |
| 16:53.51 | max_posedon | badcloud, it's impossbole I think |
| 16:54.17 | max_posedon | hackable:1 and shr exclude each other, speaking about telephone framework/PIM/etc |
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| 16:57.09 | badcloud | max, thanks |
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| 17:16.01 | Tanuva | I have http://download.navit-project.org/navit/openmoko/svn/ as repository in opkg, everytime navit gets upgraded the process terminates with message "Killed". uninstalling old navit and reinstalling the manually downloaded new one works. what might cause that? |
| 17:16.45 | lindi- | Tanuva: dmesg |
| 17:17.46 | badcloud | can someone help me? I can't boot om2009 from the third part (ext2) of my sd |
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| 17:20.42 | Tanuva | lindi-: ah. thanks. seems like it went out of memory. |
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| 17:50.53 | badcloud | love the om2009 interface |
| 17:50.59 | badcloud | (boot worked, duh) |
| 17:51.15 | badcloud | especially the aux-->profile switch |
| 17:51.20 | badcloud | nicely done! |
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| 17:59.02 | tim_abell | i like it too. |
| 17:59.21 | tim_abell | just trying to get my sound quality good enough that the gf no longer refuses to speak to me on it |
| 18:00.28 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: do you have buzz fix applied? |
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| 18:00.42 | tim_abell | uh, don't think so |
| 18:00.57 | tim_abell | i've just installed om2009 from scratch |
| 18:00.58 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: then you're out of luck in some conditions anyway. |
| 18:01.03 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: buzz fix is hardware fix |
| 18:01.14 | tim_abell | is that the capacitor thing |
| 18:01.17 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: yes |
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| 18:01.49 | tim_abell | i'm rather out of my depth with all this |
| 18:02.00 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: are you in Europe? |
| 18:02.04 | tim_abell | uk |
| 18:02.25 | tim_abell | berkshire |
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| 18:02.27 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: you can send your FR to one distri that does buzz fixing |
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| 18:03.13 | dehqan | In The Name of God I'll be so thankfull if you guide ; 1-Is openmoko firmware protected and should be hacked like motorola phones to read mpkg files ? |
| 18:03.38 | PaulFertser | dehqan: sure not! |
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| 18:11.51 | SpeedEvil | There is almost no other phone as open as the openmoko. |
| 18:12.00 | SpeedEvil | And that one doesn't really count |
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| 18:13.45 | tim_abell | i'm looking at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WM8753 and the svn link is broken. |
| 18:13.45 | tim_abell | I've found http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=tree;f=sound/soc/s3c24xx;hb=HEAD but am not sure what to link to |
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| 18:14.37 | Digital_Pioneer | dehqan: I replied to your e-mail about that. |
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| 18:15.01 | tim_abell | or shall I just link to that |
| 18:15.04 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: what do you want to find? |
| 18:15.18 | tim_abell | i was just following my curiosity really |
| 18:15.40 | tim_abell | was just going to update the svn link to something non-broken |
| 18:15.53 | tim_abell | wanted to check whether i've found the right thing first |
| 18:16.13 | tim_abell | don't want to mislead people, and I wouldn't know a kernel driver if it bit me on the arse |
| 18:16.31 | tim_abell | :) |
| 18:17.15 | mwester | Actually, they don't tend to bite arses. |
| 18:17.39 | tim_abell | i heard it was full featured :) |
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| 18:17.47 | mwester | So it's safe to say that if something _does_ bite one, it was not, in fact, a kernel module at all -- it was just pretending! |
| 18:17.57 | tim_abell | lol |
| 18:18.05 | tim_abell | i'll go with the git link then |
| 18:18.09 | mwester | ponders the evolution of the rattlesnake... |
| 18:18.20 | tim_abell | seeing as noone screamed at me |
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| 18:28.32 | badcloud | ummm, where are the apps I installed on om2009? I restarted xserver |
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| 18:45.00 | badcloud | ummm, (help)? |
| 18:46.37 | Blu3 | i don't use 2009, but desktop app files are in /usr/share/applications/ for shr |
| 18:48.10 | badcloud | they're all there |
| 18:48.25 | badcloud | but I can't figure out for the life of me how to reach 'em via x |
| 18:48.32 | dos1 | badcloud: change profile to illume-paroli in settings |
| 18:48.45 | dos1 | (settings -> press aux long) |
| 18:49.08 | dehqan | Thanks alot PaulFertser ,SpeedEvil,Digital_Pioneer ;so openmoko firmware is not protected at all yes ? |
| 18:49.21 | badcloud | aaaaaaaah |
| 18:49.24 | badcloud | thanks dos1 |
| 18:49.38 | dos1 | dehqan: that's the point of openmoko |
| 18:49.46 | dos1 | dehqan: with protection it won't make any sense :) |
| 18:49.56 | dos1 | s/won't/wouldn't/ |
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| 18:50.21 | dehqan | ohum ,tanx .. another question |
| 18:52.23 | dehqan | for me ,is openmoko only one that has open firmware ? |
| 18:53.26 | mjr | (note that the openmoko phones do have closed firmware on several peripheral chips, but this is unavoidable; the system running on the SoC is fully free, however, on the FreeRunner) |
| 18:53.45 | mjr | and so far it is the only one to claim that |
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| 18:54.20 | mjr | android on dev version of g1 is not light years away, but nevertheless not there |
| 18:56.00 | dehqan | i can not understand what you mean , see |
| 18:56.27 | SpeedEvil | mjr: no, it's not |
| 18:56.29 | dehqan | in motorolla phones we need hacking to have reading mpkg files from firmwares ... |
| 18:56.37 | SpeedEvil | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8929 |
| 18:56.42 | dehqan | now now |
| 18:56.46 | SpeedEvil | (but - this is not a comparable phone) |
| 18:56.59 | dehqan | how is openmoko firmware ? |
| 18:57.11 | mjr | dehqan, the wifi chip, bluetooth chip, gsm chip etc have proprietary firmware. There are no free options for these. The GNU/Linux system that uses these as peripherals is what is fully free. |
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| 18:57.40 | mjr | Openmoko is firmware in the sense that any OS for an embedded system is firmware. The term is fuzzy, yes. |
| 18:57.42 | SpeedEvil | There are actually free options for the BT stack - but practically, it's a lot mor emoney. |
| 18:58.05 | PaulFertser | mjr: in fact it'd be nice if we used a wifi chip which is dumber to have softmac running on host probably. |
| 18:58.16 | mjr | SpeedEvil, okay; theoretically interesting |
| 18:58.27 | mjr | PaulFertser, quite likely, yes |
| 18:58.29 | SpeedEvil | should probably stop nitpicking :) |
| 18:58.41 | Blu3 | firmware is just software that's intended to stay firmly put in the flash/*rom of the device, but it's still just software that originated from elsewhere :) |
| 18:58.45 | mjr | SpeedEvil, nah, you manage it well |
| 18:58.58 | SpeedEvil | It'd be nice if the wifi chip was smart enough to do wake-on-wlan - for example - at low power. |
| 18:59.09 | mjr | SpeedEvil, by the way, how's that project with the aerial photographer? |
| 18:59.28 | SpeedEvil | Blu3: there are versions of the CSR bluetooth chips which you can basically program from scratch. |
| 18:59.37 | Blu3 | nifty |
| 18:59.39 | SpeedEvil | mjr: stalled ATM - doing garden. |
| 19:00.32 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/ - garden - too much to do. |
| 19:00.44 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: (program from scratch CSR) is there some free BT stack for that available? |
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| 19:02.06 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: I was neglecting the slight matter of porting routines from bluez/... and writing your own firmware. |
| 19:02.36 | SpeedEvil | As it's a SMOP. :) |
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| 19:03.31 | dehqan | see in fact i can not understand your argue well , but this is question , in motorolla phones we need hacking , to have reading mpkg files then using applications ,now ,how about openmoko ?is it protected ?or not ? |
| 19:03.45 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 19:03.49 | SpeedEvil | not at all |
| 19:03.50 | PaulFertser | dehqan: are you a troll? |
| 19:03.53 | SpeedEvil | you can simply flash it. |
| 19:08.38 | Tanuva | PaulFertser: if he was, he wouldn't know I guess |
| 19:10.01 | PaulFertser | Tanuva: no, most people are doing that stuff on purpose. You see, he keeps asking the same question. How does it make sense? |
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| 19:11.03 | dehqan | thanks alot , is it probable to find neo 1973 ?in europe or asia ? |
| 19:11.21 | PaulFertser | dehqan: only used |
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| 19:11.28 | mjr | dehqan, any user-space software (or kernel-space for that matter) that you want to run on the phone's GNU/Linux/ARM system, you can. |
| 19:12.03 | mjr | trying to make things more clear, he doesn't seem to speak good english |
| 19:12.34 | dehqan | tanx 2 all ,,yes my engilish is not so good tanx |
| 19:12.41 | lindi- | mjr: but the phone has two ARM systems if you want to nitpick :) |
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| 19:13.05 | slaxxer | freerunner? |
| 19:13.12 | lindi- | slaxxer: yep |
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| 19:14.58 | dehqan | so what is minium price of neo freeruner in world ? |
| 19:15.27 | PaulFertser | dehqan: do you understand that neo1973!=neo freerunner? |
| 19:15.50 | lindi- | dehqan: new? |
| 19:15.52 | badcloud | I always thought fr was gta02 |
| 19:16.13 | dehqan | yes i know paul ... |
| 19:16.34 | Tanuva | badcloud: true |
| 19:16.35 | dehqan | you said just neo 1973 that are used we can find ... |
| 19:16.53 | dehqan | so i shoudl find neo freeruner ... |
| 19:17.01 | badcloud | 21:15 < PaulFertser> dehqan: do you understand that neo1973!=neo freerunner? |
| 19:17.08 | badcloud | that negates it then |
| 19:17.23 | dehqan | i told yes badcloud .. |
| 19:17.26 | Tanuva | badcloud: why? |
| 19:17.37 | PaulFertser | dehqan: yes. I think some distributor just offered very good price for freerunners, i don't remember exactly what is it. |
| 19:17.49 | Tanuva | (Freerunner == GTA02) != 1973 |
| 19:18.04 | badcloud | I don't get it |
| 19:18.06 | lindi- | 0 != 1973 |
| 19:18.10 | badcloud | maybe the '!' through me off |
| 19:18.12 | dehqan | what is min price in world ? |
| 19:18.16 | badcloud | forget it |
| 19:18.26 | Tanuva | lindi-: :p |
| 19:18.40 | badcloud | I think 300 usd |
| 19:18.45 | dehqan | can we find neo freeruner 250$ ??? |
| 19:18.48 | badcloud | not sure though |
| 19:20.21 | dehqan | does anyone esle know the min price ? |
| 19:21.01 | PaulFertser | dehqan: just buy a used freerunner, it'd be cheaper than new anyway. |
| 19:21.09 | SpeedEvil | buy a thousand - maybe $200? |
| 19:21.45 | dehqan | :D |
| 19:22.16 | dehqan | can we trust on a used one paul ? |
| 19:22.21 | Zorkman | PaulFertser: i did what you suggested, and reflashed qi, but i still have the same problem |
| 19:22.36 | dehqan | anyway ...in wiki is written :>The software available on the phone makes it suitable for power users and developers only -- it is not yet ready for the general consumer |
| 19:22.40 | Zorkman | (only I don't have a /dev/mtdblock7 anymore, so that's good, but i still can't boot it) |
| 19:22.42 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: cat cmdline gives the same crap? |
| 19:22.56 | PaulFertser | dehqan: it's not ready for non power-users, that's true |
| 19:22.59 | SpeedEvil | dehqan: yes |
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| 19:23.21 | Zorkman | PaulFertser: root@om-gta02 /dev $ cat /proc/cmdline |
| 19:23.21 | PaulFertser | dehqan: i would buy a used one, yes. I guess i'd trust the seller enough. |
| 19:23.21 | Zorkman | loglevel=4 console=tty0 console=ttySAC2,115200 init=/sbin/init ro mtdparts=physmap-flash:-(nor);neo1973-nand:0x00040000(qi),0x00040000(depr-ub-env),0x00800000(kernel),0x000a0000(depr),0x00040000(identity-ext2),0x0f6a0000(rootfs) g_ether.dev_addr=00:1F:11:01:08:10 g_ether.host_addr=00:1F:11:01:08:11 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootdelay=1 loglevel=1 quiet splash |
| 19:23.29 | dehqan | what are power users ? |
| 19:23.32 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: now it's correct. |
| 19:23.39 | PaulFertser | dehqan: are you into bash scripting? |
| 19:23.54 | dehqan | no alot |
| 19:23.59 | Zorkman | PaulFertser: but when i flash shr to my NAND, and try to boot it, i get the koolu splashscreen and nothing else happens |
| 19:24.03 | dehqan | alittle |
| 19:24.25 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: are you sure you don't have some kernel/rootfs on SD? |
| 19:24.29 | badcloud | om2009 got stuck on freeing init mem |
| 19:24.32 | badcloud | arggggg |
| 19:24.45 | badcloud | no blinking cursor |
| 19:24.48 | badcloud | just froze |
| 19:24.59 | PaulFertser | dehqan: if you feel comfortable with command line, if you won't complain after lousing some calls etc, FR is a good hacking toy. |
| 19:25.05 | dehqan | you mean power user = users know bash ? |
| 19:25.21 | PaulFertser | dehqan: that's a good approximation afaict. |
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| 19:26.10 | Zorkman | PaulFertser: I only have kernel and rootfs on SD from SHR, nothing google related ever touched that SD-card |
| 19:26.23 | dehqan | see i'm not programmer or developer ...i just have one phone that is more free than other ,hence what do u advice ? |
| 19:26.32 | badcloud | crappety crap crap |
| 19:26.46 | badcloud | anyone know how to even *start* to debug this? |
| 19:26.50 | PaulFertser | dehqan: i wouldn't advice buying a freerunner if you don't want to develop something for it. |
| 19:27.49 | dehqan | so is in the world phone as free as FR ? |
| 19:28.11 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: so, you have now reflashed via dfu-util Qi, NAND kernel, NAND rootfs and now trying to boot from NAND with your uSD ejected? |
| 19:28.18 | PaulFertser | dehqan: no |
| 19:28.59 | dehqan | so if i want just use FR is there any problem ? |
| 19:29.00 | Zorkman | PaulFertser: no SD is still inserted, but I a) use NOR menu to boot, or b) press AUX during normal (qi) boot to chose the NAND |
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| 19:29.25 | SpeedEvil | dehqan: yes |
| 19:29.34 | SpeedEvil | dehqan: it's _NOT_ usable by ordinary users. |
| 19:29.47 | dehqan | why ? |
| 19:29.49 | SpeedEvil | dehqan: in that what functionality is there is often buggy |
| 19:30.20 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: do you see anything android when you boot with Qi from NAND? |
| 19:30.41 | Zorkman | PaulFertser: yes, the koolu splash screen |
| 19:30.57 | dehqan | ok om is buggy cannot we use android |
| 19:31.02 | dehqan | ? |
| 19:32.05 | dehqan | we can use androide instead ,what is your opinion ? |
| 19:32.11 | PaulFertser | Zorkman: i fail to explain that |
| 19:32.21 | Zorkman | PaulFertser: me too :D |
| 19:32.38 | dehqan | why fail ? |
| 19:32.43 | dehqan | bad question ? |
| 19:33.03 | dehqan | mistake ok |
| 19:33.06 | PaulFertser | dehqan: yep, i can't explain magic |
| 19:33.39 | dehqan | paul someone said FR is buggy ... |
| 19:34.02 | dehqan | so we use qtopia ? |
| 19:34.04 | dehqan | ? |
| 19:34.35 | PaulFertser | dehqan: so we dump qtopia, dump android and go on developing proper stuff (trying to fix hardware bugs during breaks). |
| 19:35.15 | dehqan | paul i dont have that time ... |
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| 19:35.41 | PaulFertser | dehqan: i'd recommend you to buy a simple nokia dumb cellphone. And some netbook. |
| 19:36.00 | dehqan | why ? |
| 19:37.03 | dehqan | on pc i use jus debian ... |
| 19:37.12 | dehqan | so i know debian ...linux .. |
| 19:37.58 | dehqan | i can have a FR with om+andoid +qtopis flashed on ? |
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| 19:38.23 | dehqan | what is the problem ? |
| 19:38.36 | PaulFertser | dehqan: you'll lose calls because of software bugs. |
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| 19:38.58 | dehqan | alot or a few .. ? |
| 19:39.08 | dehqan | how many percent ? |
| 19:39.22 | dehqan | 10% calls lose? |
| 19:39.27 | dehqan | 20% ? |
| 19:39.30 | dehqan | 50%? |
| 19:39.38 | PaulFertser | dehqan: 100% on a bad day |
| 19:39.50 | dehqan | really ? |
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| 19:40.01 | Zorkman | dehqan: 0% on a good day :) |
| 19:40.03 | dehqan | so how do u use that FR ? |
| 19:40.23 | PaulFertser | dehqan: we pray a lot |
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| 19:41.08 | bernt | my FR is laying on my computer, connected with usb |
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| 19:41.43 | bernt | and waiting for some changes ... |
| 19:41.51 | dehqan | i want to know can easily those bug be fixed ?to have safe calls |
| 19:41.58 | eolson | PaulFertser, i don't know, the current shr is pretty good for me. I don't (think I) miss any calls :) |
| 19:42.34 | dehqan | tanx eolson |
| 19:42.44 | dehqan | so what do u say paul ? |
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| 19:42.59 | dehqan | he says any calls lose ..? |
| 19:43.04 | PaulFertser | eolson: but you can upgrade once and then you'll think everything is ok and then you go somewhere and it appears it's not etc. It's still a developers phone, not end-user.s |
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| 19:43.32 | PaulFertser | dehqan: i'd say i'll stop wasting time in this useless discussion and will prepare for sending a kernel patch i just made instead. |
| 19:43.52 | bernt | could that it depends also on the provider of your sim ... |
| 19:44.16 | dehqan | tanx paul but you mean OM has many bugs ? |
| 19:44.37 | dehqan | so can not we use qtopia or other os instead of that ? |
| 19:44.46 | PaulFertser | dehqan: qtopia sucks |
| 19:44.57 | bernt | dehqan: each distro has some bugs ... |
| 19:45.10 | Blu3 | all software has bugs, some more visible than others |
| 19:45.32 | eolson | PaulFertser, I don't really need to upgrade often since I'm mostly using it for a phone at the moment. I expect you're right that experience is a little subjective. |
| 19:45.50 | Blu3 | this however is our software, and we can touch every part of it without restriction |
| 19:47.01 | dehqan | so eolson do you mean if we dont upgarde that it wont be buggy ? |
| 19:48.02 | dehqan | yes eolson ? |
| 19:48.06 | Blu3 | you kind of sound like a troll dehqan |
| 19:48.18 | dehqan | no troll blu3 |
| 19:48.23 | eolson | dehqan, in more words: You'll need a little time to find how things work best for you -- once you get the software how you like it, and you want to use it as a phone, don't change the software too often |
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| 19:49.11 | PaulFertser | Blu3: like some kind of inexperienced troll with bad english. :) |
| 19:49.14 | eolson | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.16 | Blu3 | :) |
| 19:49.17 | dehqan | so eolson do you advise for non-developer neo phone? |
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| 19:49.42 | bernt | but if you want to use gps, listening to music, ... you often change ... |
| 19:49.48 | Blu3 | dehqan -only- if a developer type person is the guy who manages the software for that person |
| 19:50.39 | bernt | dehqan: simple question: how man linux distributions have you tried? |
| 19:50.48 | Blu3 | like all alpha state and beta state software, there are frequent changes. not everything that doesn't work right is a bug, sometimes it simply hasn't been written, or a GUI aspect hasn't been connected to the back end |
| 19:51.02 | dehqan | debian is stable and does not have bugs ... |
| 19:51.29 | eolson | dehqan, ah :) well "today" that depends on how much experience with linux you have, and if you have a little free time to make sure everything's working. I would hope in some time ( some months) , there would be very stable releases that would be easy for non-developers. |
| 19:51.29 | Defiant- | dehqan: there is a whole debian server which would like to prove you wrong |
| 19:51.31 | bernt | you can use debian on fr ... |
| 19:52.13 | dehqan | yes debian lenny is stable |
| 19:52.23 | dehqan | yes we have unstable ones .. |
| 19:52.29 | Defiant- | lenny still has bugs |
| 19:52.39 | dehqan | has but not many ... |
| 19:52.51 | Defiant- | all relative. |
| 19:52.52 | Blu3 | dehqan, it has bugs. they just aren't visible to you for one reason or another. either they are inconsequential, or you don't use software that is broken, or you accept a given flaw as normal. but it has bugs :) |
| 19:52.58 | Defiant- | Just not many grave bugs |
| 19:53.13 | Defiant- | "release critical" |
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| 19:54.10 | dehqan | yes |
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| 19:55.41 | dehqan | do you think will bugs on FR be visible ?why ? |
| 19:55.45 | bernt | dehqan: you can try the fr using qemu before you buy ... |
| 19:56.48 | thrashold | Not that this will tell you much about your actual experience, though... |
| 19:57.12 | dehqan | so my needs is listening to mp3 and call and send sms's ... now do you think each day i would have problem ? |
| 19:57.22 | bernt | but if he get qemu working, then he knows how to use the fr ;-) |
| 19:58.15 | dehqan | where is gemu ? |
| 19:58.17 | Defiant- | dehqan: the battery won't live long if you hear music |
| 19:58.32 | Defiant- | dehqan: also there is an issue with bass |
| 19:58.36 | dehqan | is it 1000 mah ? |
| 19:58.39 | bernt | dehqan: not g but qemu |
| 19:59.03 | dehqan | ok qemu where is it ? |
| 19:59.28 | dehqan | not music just voice ... |
| 19:59.56 | Defiant- | doesn't matter if mp3 is voice or music |
| 20:00.24 | dehqan | i need listen to have loud voice + send sms +calls |
| 20:00.32 | thrashold | Wouldn't you still get 5 hours battery life? |
| 20:00.53 | dehqan | yes |
| 20:01.01 | dehqan | like other phones ... |
| 20:01.19 | Blu3 | speaking of qemu, does anyone know of a SIM emulator that? |
| 20:01.19 | dehqan | i just want to know about population of bugs |
| 20:01.25 | Blu3 | s/that// |
| 20:01.26 | bernt | dehqan: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu |
| 20:01.37 | dehqan | tanx bernt |
| 20:02.14 | thrashold | s/5 hours battery/a/ |
| 20:02.27 | dehqan | more of you users in this room have FR ok ? |
| 20:02.48 | dehqan | now please tell me with need like listen to have loud voice + send sms +calls |
| 20:03.00 | dehqan | would i have problem each day? |
| 20:03.23 | slaxxer | things are much better now |
| 20:03.33 | dehqan | is there stable software for those needs ? |
| 20:03.34 | slaxxer | u will have some |
| 20:03.44 | thrashold | No worry, you would have problems only when the date is divisible by 2 :P |
| 20:03.49 | bernt | Blu3: perhaps something like http://www.tele-servizi.com/Janus/simemu.html |
| 20:03.49 | slaxxer | where are u? |
| 20:03.52 | Blu3 | if you set up an installation and tuned it with software you wanted, you'd probably be happy with it. i don't encounter many issues, and when i do, they're not that frequent |
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| 20:04.16 | slaxxer | brazil? |
| 20:04.18 | Blu3 | bernt, interesting |
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| 20:04.33 | dehqan | iran |
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| 20:04.53 | slaxxer | i guess u have gsm service? |
| 20:05.27 | dehqan | yes problem just would be bugs nothing else |
| 20:05.37 | thrashold | dehqan: You would be able to do what you want, and once you got it working, you wouldn't have problems, but don't set your expectations that you won't have to play with a thing or two, until you get it working |
| 20:05.41 | slaxxer | buy it then |
| 20:05.41 | dehqan | i want to be sure about bugs |
| 20:06.01 | slaxxer | install shr |
| 20:06.24 | dehqan | shr? |
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| 20:06.44 | slaxxer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download |
| 20:07.21 | slaxxer | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ |
| 20:07.31 | slaxxer | works for us |
| 20:08.39 | dehqan | tanx shr is more stable than others ? |
| 20:09.16 | thrashold | SHR is usable, and works. :) |
| 20:10.27 | eolson | dehqan, try shr first. Most people here use it (I do too) |
| 20:10.27 | dehqan | tanx thrashold how about you how many of you calls lose? |
| 20:10.48 | dehqan | tanx eolson how about you how many of you calls lose? |
| 20:10.54 | dehqan | give me percent please |
| 20:11.04 | thrashold | What do you mean by lost calls? |
| 20:11.24 | bernt | Blu3: take a look at http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/f3d90453f36e21d4 |
| 20:11.35 | Blu3 | ok |
| 20:12.05 | dehqan | someone said that it is possible to lose calls cause of FR os not stable yet .. |
| 20:12.40 | Blu3 | hmm, phonebooks and messagebooks are what i'm after |
| 20:13.02 | dehqan | someone said that it is possible to lose calls cause of FR is not stable yet .. |
| 20:13.03 | Blu3 | dehqan, that's not normal. i get calls frequently (unfortunately) |
| 20:13.26 | dehqan | so is not bad for you blu3? |
| 20:13.34 | PaulFertser | Fuck |
| 20:13.56 | Blu3 | i use my phone constantly for text messaging, occasionally for calls, and rarely for music |
| 20:14.14 | dehqan | paul i'm yet unsured about calls |
| 20:14.53 | PaulFertser | dehqan: i'm sure the phone is not ready for end-users. |
| 20:15.02 | dehqan | so blu3 you almost have call lost ,like 80% yes ? |
| 20:15.12 | Blu3 | no |
| 20:15.16 | dehqan | paul when do u think will it be ready ? |
| 20:15.28 | bernt | never ;-) |
| 20:15.38 | dehqan | you told frequently blu3 |
| 20:15.54 | bernt | because we build allways new software ... |
| 20:16.00 | dehqan | bernt you mean you dont have lost calls ? |
| 20:16.02 | Blu3 | i get better than 95% call reliability. once in a while the process that handles calls crashes, but i restart it and it's good to go |
| 20:16.28 | dehqan | ohum tannx |
| 20:16.41 | dehqan | blu3 u use shr ? |
| 20:16.47 | bernt | dehqan: I have not often tried to make or receive calls ... |
| 20:16.50 | Blu3 | yes, shr-unstable |
| 20:17.21 | dehqan | but usful |
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| 20:17.38 | dehqan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.11 | dehqan | tanx alot blu3 |
| 20:18.17 | dehqan | bernt |
| 20:18.18 | Blu3 | you're welcome |
| 20:18.22 | bernt | but with my old MDA III I got sometimes problems with calls, so I have buyd a new phone |
| 20:18.24 | dehqan | paul |
| 20:18.31 | dehqan | eolson |
| 20:18.43 | dehqan | thrashold |
| 20:18.48 | Blu3 | honestly, my openmoko is more reliable than every windows phone i've had |
| 20:19.09 | dehqan | really blu3 |
| 20:19.16 | Blu3 | yep |
| 20:19.22 | dehqan | do you have neo freeruner? |
| 20:19.26 | SpeedEvil | Blu3: but - was it more reliable on the first image you tried. |
| 20:19.29 | dehqan | or 1973? |
| 20:19.45 | bernt | Blu3: hmm ... my new xda guide is really good ... |
| 20:19.55 | dehqan | oh speedevil tanx for you attentios too |
| 20:20.05 | Blu3 | the first image i tried had nothing on it :) it was the distro from the distributor i bought my phone from |
| 20:20.29 | Blu3 | even with ophonekitd being crashy, it's still more reliable than windows phones |
| 20:20.41 | Blu3 | i have a freerunner, gta02 |
| 20:21.13 | dehqan | ana can we use shr beside android and qtopia and debian |
| 20:21.36 | dehqan | 4 distro beside? |
| 20:21.53 | bernt | you can exchange the sd cards ... |
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| 20:22.27 | dehqan | so with enough memory we can ? |
| 20:22.47 | dehqan | so why dont u use debian for calls ... ? |
| 20:23.40 | thrashold | dehqan: I use SHR's software on Debian for calls. And: Debian is slower than SHR, and it is a lot harder to get it working |
| 20:25.46 | dehqan | anyway i think i should find a min price FR in the world and buy it |
| 20:26.47 | SpeedEvil | you need to get one that's comparible with the networks in your country |
| 20:26.50 | SpeedEvil | where are you? |
| 20:26.57 | SpeedEvil | compatible |
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| 20:27.57 | Blu3 | i think he said iran earlier |
| 20:29.15 | dehqan | no problem |
| 20:29.19 | dehqan | in iran |
| 20:29.29 | dehqan | 900 anda 1800 works i think |
| 20:30.47 | PaulFertser | dehqan: heh, you shouldn't get a USA freerunner than. |
| 20:30.58 | PaulFertser | dehqan: and not because it's USA ;) |
| 20:30.58 | dehqan | but i don't have 300 $ and can not trust used FR |
| 20:31.10 | tschaka | dehqan and check for a buzz fixed version (A7). it propably could be getting hard to get this, once you have the phone in iran. |
| 20:31.13 | Blu3 | you'll have to find a distributor over on that side of the world i think. i may be wrong but even if the US had a distributor for that freq. set, i don't think they can legally sell it to iran |
| 20:31.19 | dehqan | do you think will price be less |
| 20:32.24 | dehqan | yes , can i buy in europ ? |
| 20:33.44 | PaulFertser | dehqan: or in India. |
| 20:34.17 | dehqan | except usa all country are the same in freq yes? |
| 20:34.26 | PaulFertser | dehqan: but buzzfixing is important to use it as a phone. So either buy a buzz-fixed version or prepare to do it yourself/find a place to do it. |
| 20:35.39 | dehqan | in iran there is no neo phones and anyone almost dont know about that ... |
| 20:36.20 | dehqan | what do u mean buzzfix? |
| 20:36.37 | tim_abell | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix |
| 20:37.15 | dehqan | ok |
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| 20:39.42 | dehqan | thanks alot everybody ,i wish you have good life . |
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| 20:53.12 | Sharwin_F | is there a lot of difference in terms of battery time when using bluetooth headphones instead of jack one's to listen to music with my neo? |
| 20:53.18 | Sharwin_F | I'm thinking about buying one's |
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| 21:00.26 | tim_abell | PaulFertser: thanks for fixing up my link, i'd never have found that branch |
| 21:02.54 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: it's the branch where the devolpment is going on currently. |
| 21:04.20 | tim_abell | is scared of anything with the word kernel in. other than nuts. even if it doesn't bite! |
| 21:04.29 | tim_abell | i love git though |
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| 21:07.34 | Blu3 | loves kernels |
| 21:07.38 | Blu3 | loves nuts too |
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| 21:10.13 | tim_abell | information overload! ... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem |
| 21:10.26 | tim_abell | my brain hasn't hurt this much since my degree |
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| 21:12.46 | Blu3 | heheh |
| 21:18.05 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: hehe, you can imagine how fun it was to read that datasheet, driver and other stuff. |
| 21:18.57 | tim_abell | i bet. i always struggled with proper electronics |
| 21:19.15 | tim_abell | programmings a walk in the park by comparison in my opinion |
| 21:19.23 | tim_abell | which is my hobby |
| 21:19.26 | tim_abell | er i mean job |
| 21:19.44 | retracile | heh :) |
| 21:20.28 | tim_abell | how do i find out what hardware revision i hae |
| 21:20.31 | tim_abell | have? |
| 21:21.04 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep Revision |
| 21:21.13 | tim_abell | ta |
| 21:21.50 | tim_abell | oh. no where did i put my phone?.... |
| 21:21.50 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: there's also a kernel driver that exposes raw hardware revision pins data. |
| 21:25.03 | tim_abell | how does my revision 0360 relate to the A8 etc in the wiki? |
| 21:25.21 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: 0306 means A6 |
| 21:25.45 | PaulFertser | tim_abell: A8 is not even mass produced most probably |
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| 21:26.30 | tim_abell | a shame, but i guess real software can't compete with the usual subsidised mass market rubbish |
| 21:28.41 | tim_abell | ah ha http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#GTA02v6 |
| 21:29.53 | tim_abell | what happened to A7 and A8? |
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| 21:33.35 | orzo | how's the battery life on the freerunner? |
| 21:34.08 | Zorkman | orzo: depends on what you're doing ofcourse... |
| 21:34.17 | viq | like with all smartphones - with some luck you might get two or three days |
| 21:34.43 | orzo | no phone calls, but standing ready |
| 21:34.45 | viq | with less luck and more usage it won't survive the day, as is the case with other "toys" |
| 21:35.12 | lindi- | orzo: around 20 - 30 mA? |
| 21:35.39 | orzo | what's that in hours |
| 21:35.53 | orzo | hwo many hours do you get? |
| 21:36.16 | orzo | i remember there was an issue that made suspend mode useless |
| 21:36.19 | orzo | is that still true? |
| 21:37.17 | lindi- | orzo: you have 1200 mAh battery, right? |
| 21:37.39 | orzo | i dont have a freerunner |
| 21:37.40 | lindi- | orzo: 1200 mAh / 30 mAh = 40 h |
| 21:37.43 | orzo | i have the gta01 |
| 21:38.16 | orzo | with my current phone, i cant get mroe than 8 hours tops really |
| 21:38.45 | lindi- | orzo: does it have current_now file in /sys? |
| 21:38.55 | orzo | it's debian |
| 21:39.10 | orzo | or i guess i have a qtopia isntall too |
| 21:39.16 | orzo | but i dont really use that |
| 21:39.23 | orzo | i use kapula on debian |
| 21:39.36 | lindi- | orzo: ah, cool :-) |
| 21:40.12 | orzo | it has the buz issue |
| 21:40.17 | orzo | which i understand is fixed in new phoens |
| 21:40.27 | lindi- | orzo: i fixed my buzz fortunately |
| 21:40.39 | orzo | in a gta01? |
| 21:41.08 | lindi- | orzo: gta02 |
| 21:41.19 | orzo | okay |
| 21:41.28 | orzo | well new gta02s have it fixed anyway i think |
| 21:41.36 | orzo | im pondering to buy or not really |
| 21:41.46 | orzo | i dont want to buy if thers any serious hardware issue |
| 21:42.08 | viq | lindi-: physical soldering, or otherwise? |
| 21:42.31 | orzo | i dont think this page is up to date: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_revisions |
| 21:42.36 | lindi- | viq: soldering yes |
| 21:43.26 | viq | i saw someone attempt it, failed due to resistor being desoldered apparently being glued to the board... |
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| 21:44.07 | orzo | http://www.openmoko.com/distributors-america.html 404 heh |
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| 21:46.51 | orzo | what revision are the freerunners now? |
| 21:47.07 | orzo | A6 is the last noted on the wiki |
| 21:47.14 | orzo | but i think A7 had the buzz fix |
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| 21:51.13 | tschaka | a7 is the latest. buzz fix applied. |
| 21:54.11 | orzo | maybe i should get an unlocked android instead |
| 21:57.23 | mwester | They |
| 21:57.31 | mwester | They're not much alike, actually. |
| 21:58.33 | orzo | do you have a g1? |
| 21:59.15 | mwester | nope |
| 21:59.39 | mwester | But I've used android on the gta02. it's not really linux. |
| 21:59.49 | orzo | uh |
| 21:59.55 | orzo | i want to use debian |
| 22:00.04 | orzo | debian on gta02 or debian on g1 |
| 22:00.24 | orzo | does teh FSO stuff in debian support G1 ? |
| 22:00.30 | mwester | Oh - you said "unlocked android" |
| 22:00.34 | orzo | yeah |
| 22:00.38 | orzo | i forgot the name of the phone |
| 22:00.42 | mwester | you meant "unlocked g1" :) |
| 22:00.45 | orzo | yeah |
| 22:00.45 | mwester | got it |
| 22:01.07 | mwester | I don't think that the FSO stuff supports the G1 hardware yet. |
| 22:01.23 | orzo | damn |
| 22:01.30 | orzo | is that because of closedness? |
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| 22:02.20 | orzo | hi badcloud |
| 22:02.24 | badcloud | hey pips |
| 22:02.25 | orzo | did you ever try debian? |
| 22:02.30 | badcloud | yeah |
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| 22:02.45 | orzo | does the nintendo emulator run? |
| 22:02.55 | badcloud | I'm using h1, which is debian based |
| 22:03.05 | badcloud | which nes emu? |
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| 22:03.19 | orzo | iduno, any available in debian's pools |
| 22:03.21 | badcloud | mednafen? |
| 22:03.45 | orzo | is that in debian? |
| 22:03.48 | orzo | does it run on arm? |
| 22:03.55 | badcloud | hmmm, haven't tried yet. I booted now to shr |
| 22:04.15 | lindi- | * sid_(unstable) (games): multi-platform emulator, including NES, GB/A, Lynx, PC Engine |
| 22:04.18 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.21 | lindi- | says 'show-package-versions mednafen' |
| 22:04.23 | badcloud | I'll give it a try tomorrow and private msg you |
| 22:04.31 | lindi- | ( iki.fi/lindi/show-package-versions ) |
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| 22:05.22 | badcloud | what's the best distro for exporting sim contacts to a vcf? |
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| 22:05.38 | lindi- | badcloud: I don't think distro matters :) |
| 22:07.39 | badcloud | seems like it can't be done under debian/shr |
| 22:07.59 | badcloud | unless I'm mistaken |
| 22:09.25 | lindi- | badcloud: surely it can be done with a few lines of python? |
| 22:09.31 | orzo | it can be done on debian with a python script |
| 22:09.36 | orzo | that lindi- will provide :P |
| 22:10.14 | Blu3 | mdbus ... | massaging_script > contact_file |
| 22:10.14 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5086 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/s3c2442.lib: Renamed NCON0 to NCON. Reported by Andre <andre.knispel@gmx.de> |
| 22:10.41 | Blu3 | contacts on SIM are ultra simple. name and number |
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| 22:10.45 | Blu3 | nothing else |
| 22:10.49 | badcloud | only thing I know about python apart from being a programming language, it's also a large snake |
| 22:10.54 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5087 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/STATUS: Andre had reviewed the S3C2442. |
| 22:11.29 | Blu3 | then use php, perl, bash, gawk, sed, what have you |
| 22:11.47 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5088 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core-expanded.lib gta02-core.lib): Updated generated libraries. |
| 22:11.55 | badcloud | I'm no dev |
| 22:11.57 | Blu3 | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrievePhonebook 'contacts' |
| 22:12.51 | badcloud | does that print in stdout? |
| 22:13.19 | Blu3 | yep |
| 22:14.53 | badcloud | wow |
| 22:15.17 | badcloud | I envy you guys so much sometimes |
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| 22:18.44 | badcloud | signing off |
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| 22:20.30 | Blu3 | heheh, i wonder why |
| 22:20.39 | rooly | because it is just how it is |
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| 22:42.30 | tim_abell | hmm, my om2009 freerunner just went to sleep mid test phone call |
| 22:42.43 | tim_abell | dropped the call and the wifi |
| 22:42.52 | tim_abell | is that normal?! |
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| 22:43.37 | orzo | well mednafen definately doesnt run on gta01 |
| 22:46.46 | tim_abell | and is 10 seconds on the button really necessary for shutdown, i would have thought 5 would be enough |
| 22:47.56 | orzo | do you guys actually get 40 hour life on your freerunners? |
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| 22:51.57 | Blu3 | no, because i use it a lot |
| 22:52.21 | Blu3 | if only on standby, i'm sure i'd get 40 hours easily |
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| 22:56.22 | tim_abell | ahr i hate wifi. i especially hate how indispensable it is |
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| 22:59.10 | tim_abell | how do you request a new address under om2009? like dhclient |
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| 23:01.20 | tim_abell | it says it's connected but has no ip address |
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| 23:13.42 | tim_abell | ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.76 |
| 23:13.45 | tim_abell | worked |
| 23:13.49 | tim_abell | ho hum |
| 23:13.53 | tim_abell | gnight |
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| 23:32.40 | rooly | so anyway |
| 23:32.48 | rooly | i think i'll be getting a pre |
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| 23:56.49 | rooly | anybody else? |
| 23:56.53 | rooly | raster: you around? |
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