| 00:16.40 | slaxxer | hows the latest fso-unstable |
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| 00:52.52 | Ken_Young | I have upgraded to OM2009, and my phone's USB ethernet device now shows up as eth2. WHen I pulg the phone into my (Ubuntu) laptop, I can ssh into the phone, but the laptop's WiFi network connection is disrupted. Does anyone know what's wrong, and how I can fix it? |
| 00:56.21 | quatrox | Ken_Young: the phone reports wrong mac for usb net |
| 00:56.51 | Ken_Young | quatrox, That's handy. Is there a workaround? |
| 00:58.02 | quatrox | search wiki/mailing lists - I think the work-around is to supply a kernel parameter via the boot loader or something like that |
| 00:58.33 | Ken_Young | quatrox, OK, thanks for the pointer. |
| 00:58.48 | Toaster` | Ken_Young: it should be the same MAC each time you plug your FR in, right? |
| 00:59.09 | Ken_Young | Toaster`, I would think so. |
| 01:00.05 | Toaster` | Then you coul do like what I do, and in network-manager set it to be a static IP. That may help solve your problems |
| 01:01.05 | Toaster` | if you want to get fancy, you can set up udev rules for automatically setting up/shutting down the masquarading and forwarding rules |
| 01:01.09 | Toaster` | That's what I do |
| 01:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | set route (METRIC) accordingly is the fix I guess |
| 01:01.24 | Toaster` | And what DocScrutinizer said :) |
| 01:02.09 | Ken_Young | Yes, it does set the USB-phone metric to the same value the WiFI connection has. |
| 01:02.36 | DocScrutinizer | which is not very helpful |
| 01:03.22 | DocScrutinizer | usb should have a higher metric (except you want actually access internet via FR GPRS) |
| 01:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | As I understand it |
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| 01:15.26 | Ken_Young | Oh, it turned out to be bonus idiosy on my part. I had a /etc/network/interfaces file, but I forgot to edit it to rename usb0 to eth2. Sorry for the pointless query. |
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| 02:06.20 | slaxxer | there went project,, i mean plan B |
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| 02:10.20 | loveheaven | what's the relationship between om2009 and fso? |
| 02:10.30 | loveheaven | what's the relationship between om2009 and fso? |
| 02:10.30 | ndnihil | they're lovers |
| 02:10.37 | ndnihil | and stop repeating yourself? |
| 02:10.58 | loveheaven | om2009 is a milestone of fso? |
| 02:11.01 | loveheaven | right? |
| 02:12.57 | loveheaven | om2009 is a milestone of fso? right? |
| 02:14.08 | quatrox | loveheaven: people will ignore you if you repeat yourself |
| 02:14.29 | slaxxer | maybe even ban u |
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| 02:15.29 | slaxxer | fso milestones are 5,5.1,5.5 |
| 02:16.27 | slaxxer | in june were supposed to see 5.5++paroli= the next om os |
| 02:16.39 | slaxxer | OMOS |
| 02:16.45 | slaxxer | hmmmm |
| 02:16.48 | Ken_Young | slaxxer, Is there new information about the mysterious Plan B? |
| 02:17.12 | slaxxer | ask toaster he has to know |
| 02:18.02 | slaxxer | omos,omos,omos |
| 02:19.52 | loveheaven | slaxxer, you mean fso5.5+paroli=0m2009? |
| 02:20.39 | quatrox | loveheaven: fso is only middle ware |
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| 02:27.16 | DocScrutinizer | (toaster) hehehe >:-) |
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| 02:32.14 | Toaster` | wanders into the room... were people talking about him? |
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| 02:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | not me, I always stated "it's *a* toaster" ;) |
| 02:33.29 | Toaster` | uh-huh... |
| 02:33.57 | DocScrutinizer | seems slaxxer got it wrong somehow :D |
| 02:34.09 | Toaster` | suspiciously watches the channel |
| 02:34.36 | Toaster` | meh, "The only thing worse then being talked about, is not being talked about" |
| 02:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | [04:16] <Ken_Young> slaxxer, Is there new information about the mysterious Plan B? |
| 02:34.51 | Toaster` | Yeah, I saw that |
| 02:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | [04:17] <slaxxer> ask toaster he has to know |
| 02:35.24 | Toaster` | And that :) |
| 02:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
| 02:35.49 | slaxxer | sorry are u not the infamous project B? |
| 02:36.27 | Toaster` | : Plan B, not just a contraceptive anymore! |
| 02:36.34 | Toaster` | no, I'm not |
| 02:36.59 | Toaster` | I'm just a poor quality python hacker |
| 02:37.11 | Toaster` | :) |
| 02:37.18 | quatrox | haha |
| 02:38.19 | Toaster` | ok, I'm off for the night. The Boss called a meeting for 0830 tomorrow, evil time that that is |
| 02:38.22 | Toaster` | Cheers |
| 02:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 02:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | depending on Ur TZ, that's not much time anymore to take a nap |
| 02:40.50 | quatrox | have to wake up in 2.5h |
| 02:41.39 | DocScrutinizer | ayyyy |
| 02:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | abolish sleep, it's overestimated anyway ;-) |
| 02:43.09 | quatrox | assert(sleep) |
| 02:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | WTF??!! my radio-controlled clock went apeshit :-o |
| 02:44.25 | quatrox | lol |
| 02:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | -0:54 |
| 02:47.03 | DocScrutinizer | incredible |
| 02:47.30 | quatrox | 04:48 |
| 02:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | 03:53 |
| 02:49.50 | quatrox | tose 3 hours went fast for you |
| 02:50.10 | quatrox | s/tose/those/ |
| 02:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | nah, the clock is late ~54min |
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| 02:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | OMG - RTFM for a fsckng clock :o) |
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| 03:05.51 | DocScrutinizer | wooohoo, fixed. |
| 03:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen dave |
| 03:06.01 | apt | dave <n=dave@pool-138-89-1-87.mad.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 41d 1h 24m 46s ago, saying: 'hahaa'. |
| 03:06.13 | DocScrutinizer | shit |
| 03:07.27 | DocScrutinizer | nobody but Dave will believe me FR is messing up my clock |
| 03:08.35 | quatrox | :) |
| 03:09.15 | quatrox | my FR mess up my sleep |
| 03:09.22 | quatrox | Dave!!!!! |
| 03:10.29 | DocScrutinizer | I'm really worried about dave |
| 03:10.54 | mwester | 41 days ago... that's 40 days from the last word from Dave to the demise of Openmoko. |
| 03:11.05 | vininim | ~seen Dave2 |
| 03:11.07 | apt | dave2 is currently on #debian (20d 9h 26m 7s) #idlerpg (20d 9h 26m 7s) #wowuidev (20d 9h 26m 7s) #wowace (20d 9h 26m 7s), last said: '.win 38'. |
| 03:11.20 | mwester | How long would it take to swim to Taiwan from New York? |
| 03:11.36 | quatrox | maybe he drowned? |
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| 03:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | vininim: dave <n=dave@pool-138-89-1-87.mad.east.verizon.net>, whereas [Dave2] (i=Dave2@freenode/staff/dave2): Dave Wickham |
| 03:15.52 | rwhitby | mwester: so is the demise confirmed, or still rumoured? |
| 03:17.23 | DocScrutinizer | depends on your definition of demise, I guess |
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| 03:22.56 | mwester | Yeah, it's a definition thing. How many people remain at Om is yet to be determined, and there are those who will probably still argue that the "demise" was the cancellation of the gta03, but it certainly seems unlikely that Om will be back this time. |
| 03:25.49 | rwhitby | ah, so any gta03 work at OM is now outsourced to the gta02-core group? |
| 03:26.17 | rwhitby | that would explain Sean giving the public "we'll help you fabricate anything you come up with" message from the other day |
| 03:26.42 | DocScrutinizer | (yet to be determined) according to all the rumours and statements it can't be a 2 digit number anymore |
| 03:28.26 | DocScrutinizer | well, the worthiness of such message is questionable, regarding there's not only Sean but also some investors |
| 03:29.07 | DocScrutinizer | or, even worse, maybe no more investors |
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| 03:29.57 | rwhitby | assuming OM is not balance-sheet cash positive, there would have to be investors to stay solvent ... |
| 03:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | not if you don't have any expense |
| 03:32.12 | rwhitby | DocScrutinizer: electricity for servers is a common expense :-) |
| 03:32.50 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, heard plans about solving this problem as well ;-) |
| 03:33.15 | rwhitby | google apps? |
| 03:33.37 | rwhitby | openmoko.com uses that already - maybe .org will move there too |
| 03:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | seems to remember this nasty term |
| 03:33.52 | rwhitby | it's easy to spot in MX records :-) |
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| 03:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | let me put it this way: probably investors realized RL wrt chances for ROI, and then acted like investors do usually |
| 03:42.25 | DocScrutinizer | please notice I'm not "inside" OM anymore, so all this is my private notion |
| 03:58.50 | rwhitby | DocScrutinizer: agreed |
| 03:59.16 | rwhitby | probably leaving Sean as the only "investor" |
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| 07:15.49 | beer_ | I have heard that most of the people in OM is going to get sacked. Is there something about it? |
| 07:16.42 | leinirAWAY | You also missed Sean's announcement that there will be an official announcement on the topic when they're done writing it ;) |
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| 07:17.32 | jc2 | beer_: I will keep watching the servers while looking for another job. |
| 07:20.18 | beer_ | is there a good recen to sack all those people? |
| 07:20.38 | beer_ | (did we not bey enough phones?) |
| 07:23.12 | jc2 | beer_: I am also waiting for the announcement. |
| 07:23.25 | beer_ | k |
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| 09:05.37 | pabs3 | what do folks using Qi use for a boot menu? |
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| 09:08.55 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r342431703ce8 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala: fsodevice: alsa_audio: honor length parameter in PlaySound |
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| 09:10.12 | dns53 | you don't need a boot menu, you boot off the sd card (if it has the right file in the /boot dir or off your phone |
| 09:11.11 | dns53 | you just want it to turn on and boot off the first thing it can |
| 09:11.16 | pabs3 | what if I want to choose which OS to boot? |
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| 09:22.52 | badcloud | pabs3, if you're using qi, http://www.opkg.org/package_159.html |
| 09:23.30 | badcloud | also, you could create a FAT partition on your sd and choose to boot from it via NOR |
| 09:23.46 | badcloud | read up on qi and u-boot |
| 09:25.46 | pabs3 | bootator doesn't seem to be open source |
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| 09:27.01 | pabs3 | oh, the source is just a .ipk, weird |
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| 09:32.15 | pabs3 | hmm, maybe Qi can chainload uboot or something |
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| 09:40.32 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rd0caea0d4d9e 10/fsodeviced/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 09:40.32 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: fsodevice: alsa_audio: use Gee.HashTable instead of GLib.HashMap, use non-compact class |
| 09:40.32 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: We require libgee 0.1.6 now. |
| 09:50.52 | pabs3 | finds http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1980163 |
| 09:53.42 | viq | who the fuck invented a mail archive you need to enable javascript on to see anything? |
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| 09:56.54 | pabs3 | viq: if you were complaining about my link, heres the thread in pipermail http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-March/thread.html#4936 |
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| 11:18.59 | hrw | hi |
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| 11:22.06 | beer_ | hi |
| 11:22.58 | hrw | which image/distro will work ok on gta01 and provide me good working mp3/ogg player? I do not need anything other ;d |
| 11:23.28 | hrw | by 'good working' I mean with GUI, music database and volume management |
| 11:24.37 | beer_ | I have now ideer. But I will guess that SHR and qt improved is a good sugestion |
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| 11:34.37 | spaetz | intone on SHR would probably fit |
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| 14:26.12 | ruoso | hmm... I can't get the correct timezone in SHR, then it alwyas present a wrong localtime... :( |
| 14:29.26 | max_posedon | ruoso, I usually just start gps app |
| 14:29.44 | max_posedon | wait for a time fix, then shr gets TZ from gsm, and all is fine |
| 14:31.37 | ruoso | max_posedon, I still don't have glinn (gta01 here) |
| 14:31.50 | ruoso | max_posedon, shr doesn't seem to look at /etc/timezone... |
| 14:32.25 | max_posedon | yep, it look at gsm |
| 14:36.30 | ruoso | so my gsm provider is sending the wrong timezone? |
| 14:37.11 | max_posedon | may be |
| 14:37.27 | ruoso | is there a way to debug that? |
| 14:39.06 | ruoso | hmm... after realizing which timezone it was getting, it is indeed wrong |
| 14:39.29 | ruoso | it's getting a timezone from Brazil, but the wrong one |
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| 14:40.45 | SpeedEvil | do other phones get it wrong |
| 14:41.56 | ruoso | trying to find someone with a phone that supports getting the time from gsm |
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| 14:43.37 | flaushy | hi is there any news around what comes instead of the gta03? |
| 14:43.58 | max_posedon | flaushy, nothing |
| 14:44.14 | flaushy | i thought there was a "plan B" |
| 14:44.25 | max_posedon | plan B wasn't "instead" |
| 14:44.37 | flaushy | ah okie |
| 14:44.39 | max_posedon | but anyway, no any news |
| 14:44.46 | flaushy | thx |
| 14:45.12 | max_posedon | except One Old Woman that said some bad news about Openmoko company at all. |
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| 14:52.12 | apoth | hi |
| 14:52.32 | apoth | how can i install a .bb file in openmoko? |
| 14:52.48 | apoth | with command-line |
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| 14:55.55 | tomboy64 | apoth: you wild first have to build the program |
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| 14:55.58 | tomboy64 | bitbake |
| 14:56.14 | apoth | iam jhust installed moko |
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| 14:56.20 | apoth | iam a newbie :) |
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| 14:57.43 | apoth | tomboy64, can i find somewhere a manual for this? |
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| 14:58.19 | tomboy64 | apoth: on the wiki there's an article on how to use the moko-makefile |
| 14:58.20 | rons | hi all, are there any OCR applications for the FR? |
| 14:58.39 | mjr | there are such for gnu/linux systems (though not overly good ones) so yes |
| 14:58.44 | ruoso | max_posedon, can I configure it not to get the timezone from gsm? |
| 14:58.54 | max_posedon | ruoso, I don't know |
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| 15:13.50 | m_abs | I think the usb-connector is broken in my freerunner. I've tried to plugin several usb-cable and the wall-charger to charge the battery and it doesn't work. I don't know if the battery have become fully discharge, but I can't turn the phone on, I couldn't charge the battery, then I could turn the phone on. Would it be difficult to replace the usb-connector? Or is there some other solution? |
| 15:14.31 | SpeedEvil | First |
| 15:14.34 | SpeedEvil | remove battery |
| 15:14.38 | SpeedEvil | wait 5 min or so |
| 15:14.53 | SpeedEvil | replace battery, plug into charger, and leave for a couple of hours |
| 15:14.59 | SpeedEvil | see if that helps |
| 15:15.19 | SpeedEvil | If not - I'll be away in a couple of hours. :) |
| 15:15.32 | SpeedEvil | and replacing the USB connector is tricky |
| 15:15.47 | m_abs | I'll try that. |
| 15:16.27 | m_abs | The phone can't boot without the battery, does that make any difference in this case? |
| 15:17.04 | SpeedEvil | sorry - my head is still in gta01 land. |
| 15:17.07 | SpeedEvil | This is FR? |
| 15:17.11 | m_abs | Yes |
| 15:17.32 | SpeedEvil | I think if you fo the first 2 steps, then plug in USB, and press 'on' - it should at least flicker |
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| 15:32.57 | badcloud | hey dos1, you use shr testing April 14th, right? |
| 15:33.18 | badcloud | can you reconnect using wifi? I can only once |
| 15:33.23 | badcloud | (connect once) |
| 15:33.43 | Ainulindale | I think he uses unstable |
| 15:33.48 | badcloud | really? |
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| 15:33.56 | badcloud | I remember him talking about testing the other day |
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| 15:34.03 | Ainulindale | Well no idea |
| 15:34.28 | badcloud | what do you use? |
| 15:34.49 | Ainulindale | Unstable |
| 15:35.35 | badcloud | which date? |
| 15:36.04 | badcloud | absolute latest? |
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| 15:38.05 | m_abs | SpeedEvil, still here? |
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| 15:38.47 | SpeedEvil | ydes |
| 15:39.40 | Mononoke | this may sound stupid but how the hell I run other applications in paroli |
| 15:39.42 | Mononoke | ? |
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| 15:45.26 | m_abs | SpeedEvil, it didn't turn on or flicker then I pushed 'on' |
| 15:46.41 | SpeedEvil | Open it up, and take a magnifying glass to the usb connector |
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| 15:46.49 | SpeedEvil | can you see any fractured bits |
| 15:46.54 | SpeedEvil | or does it look bent |
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| 15:50.24 | m_abs | SpeedEvil, okay I just need to find some tools. |
| 15:51.25 | SpeedEvil | should just need a torx really |
| 15:52.05 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: before slaughtering your FR, could you use a VoltMeter and check the bat voltage, please |
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| 15:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: also please report the exact board revision to be found on PCB next to mic |
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| 15:53.56 | m_abs | DocScrutinizer, love to. Don't have one. |
| 15:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's probably going to complicate things |
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| 15:54.58 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: you got a classic nokia charger, the one with barrel connector? |
| 15:56.53 | SpeedEvil | you'fre in the US m_abs? |
| 15:59.13 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.com/SLIM-PORTABLE-LCD-HANDY-DIGITAL-MULTIMETER-DMM-AC-DC_W0QQitemZ370161944133QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item562f5f0645&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1199|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 |
| 15:59.14 | SpeedEvil | forex |
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| 16:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: more than 6 bucks ? ;-) |
| 16:03.55 | m_abs | DocScrutinizer, hmm. Maybe. Does this involve taken it apart? |
| 16:04.11 | m_abs | SpeedEvil, No I'm in Denmark, Europe. |
| 16:04.13 | m_abs | DocScrutinizer, I only have modern nokia chargers. |
| 16:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: what's the device side connector of these nokia chargers? |
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| 16:06.54 | m_abs | DocScrutinizer, A small round hollow connector, about 2mm in diameter. It's for a Nokia 5310. |
| 16:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | that's barrel |
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| 16:08.03 | m_abs | okay. |
| 16:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: is there a writing on the charger sth like "4.8V, 600mA" ? could you quote please |
| 16:09.23 | m_abs | I have to find the other one, I can't read it. One moment. |
| 16:09.42 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 16:10.11 | m_abs | Ouput: DC 5V/350mA |
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| 16:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | ok, you could "charge" your bat by connecting inner hole of barrel to plus of gta02 bat, and outer ring to minus. use thin wires which you can stick in the hole and wrap around outer ring, and hold them to bat (correct plus to plus!!) for a few minutes |
| 16:12.58 | ndnihil | shakes his head |
| 16:13.06 | ndnihil | that's a sure way to blow up a lithium battery |
| 16:13.11 | ndnihil | a few seconds is ok |
| 16:13.16 | ndnihil | but minutes will end up messy |
| 16:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: shut up, you're wrong |
| 16:13.29 | ndnihil | uh |
| 16:13.41 | ndnihil | eat a dick princess |
| 16:13.42 | ndnihil | I know liths |
| 16:13.54 | DocScrutinizer | I know gta02 bat |
| 16:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | and I know nokia chargers |
| 16:14.16 | ndnihil | http://www.electrifly.com/chargers/gpmm3153.html |
| 16:14.19 | ndnihil | get one of those |
| 16:14.22 | ndnihil | or similar |
| 16:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: ignore ndnihil. OM hw dept here ;-) |
| 16:15.14 | m_abs | heh |
| 16:15.32 | ndnihil | yes, ignore me, but if you start smelling something sweet and kinda pungent, stick it in a bucket of salt water |
| 16:15.57 | ndnihil | do this before it bursts into flames |
| 16:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: please check gta02-bat protection chip |
| 16:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | then come again with your objections |
| 16:17.01 | ndnihil | what does the chip do? |
| 16:17.37 | ndnihil | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2895177681432208368&ei=WmcdSpCzH4r6-wGfkqSPBg |
| 16:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | protect bat cell from damage by overvoltage/overcurrent/deep-discharge |
| 16:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: please stop spreading FUD |
| 16:18.09 | ndnihil | I use liths for RC, and have scavenged them from phones/laptops |
| 16:18.13 | ndnihil | have not seen such a chip |
| 16:18.27 | ndnihil | and have had them vent |
| 16:18.40 | ndnihil | though luckily no explosions for me yet (I keep a bucket of salt water outside) |
| 16:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | hey dick, so disassemble your gta02 bat, then you'll see |
| 16:18.58 | ndnihil | whats with the name calling? |
| 16:19.02 | ndnihil | cant stand being wrong? |
| 16:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | i'm not wrong, you are |
| 16:19.17 | ndnihil | or are you just a fucktard who doesnt like people having differing opinions? |
| 16:19.46 | ndnihil | if there is some magic chip in there, great |
| 16:19.53 | max_posedon | ndnihil, different opinions about 2x2=4 should be killed) |
| 16:19.54 | ndnihil | the phone batteries I've taken apart dont have such a thing |
| 16:20.00 | SpeedEvil | there is a magic chip |
| 16:20.01 | Ainulindale | ndnihil: will you shut up? |
| 16:20.10 | Ainulindale | You started insulting him, it's only fair that he does the same. |
| 16:20.10 | DocScrutinizer | it's not your different opinion, it's your poor knowledge and spreading FUD that annoys me |
| 16:20.15 | SpeedEvil | however - will the magic chip like being connected backwards? |
| 16:20.18 | ndnihil | cry for me princess |
| 16:20.22 | SpeedEvil | (in case of error) |
| 16:20.34 | Ainulindale | Why are there so many retards on IRC nowadays? |
| 16:20.37 | SpeedEvil | also - nokia clone chargers may differ from real nokia |
| 16:20.41 | ndnihil | I was just trying to make sure someone was "safe" |
| 16:20.45 | ndnihil | and didnt burn down his house |
| 16:20.49 | ndnihil | is that such a bad thing? |
| 16:21.01 | ndnihil | oh wait, of course it is, because its not what YOU told him |
| 16:21.58 | ndnihil | if it has internal protection circutry, that's great |
| 16:22.04 | ndnihil | but you're still a douchebag |
| 16:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I emphasized "plus to plus", chip will trigger overcurrent prot otherwise, and even third party chargers are supposed to have a certain source impedance to limit current |
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| 16:22.35 | Ainulindale | (hahaha I like it when people seem so dumb, and are attacking other guys than me =) ) |
| 16:23.09 | DocScrutinizer | shoots Ainulindale with a marchmallow |
| 16:25.05 | Ainulindale | DocScrutinizer: :-) |
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| 16:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: please follow my advice to "kickstart" your bat. it should give you a few minutes of opperation - enough to set PMU registers to recharge bat after that correctly. And you're completely safe on doing like adviced, no explosion may happen any way, if you attach wires by hand for a few minutes |
| 16:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | if bat starts getting hot, stop the procedure though (very unlikely, just to have it mentioned) |
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| 16:27.39 | ndnihil | hahahah |
| 16:27.39 | Ainulindale | DocScrutinizer: last time people listened to your advice, the ONU accused corea of doing nuclear tests |
| 16:28.30 | DocScrutinizer | last time they didn't, they killed gta03 ;-) |
| 16:29.25 | DocScrutinizer | ahh, never mind. I know my qualifications, and I don't care about noobs wo don't |
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| 16:29.49 | DocScrutinizer | cya, me off (getting stinky) |
| 16:30.35 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: never dare to apply buzzfix, it's also one of my recommendations ;-) |
| 16:30.54 | ndnihil | why do you take it so personal? |
| 16:31.08 | ndnihil | I've seen bats blow, and had them vent personally, and didn't want to see it happen to someone else |
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| 16:31.50 | ndnihil | if they're protected, awesome |
| 16:31.57 | ndnihil | but that has nothing to do with you being a douche |
| 16:32.42 | ndnihil | the phone and laptop batteries I took apart were "old"'ish |
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| 16:33.09 | ndnihil | maybe they added the protection circuit after people kept blowing them up eh? |
| 16:33.24 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 16:33.28 | SpeedEvil | To stop people suing. |
| 16:33.33 | ndnihil | you're right, that would make too much sense |
| 16:34.00 | SpeedEvil | your battery lights on fire in someones pocket - teh damages if you don't have all teh protection circuitry will go up. |
| 16:34.04 | SpeedEvil | the legal damages |
| 16:34.13 | ndnihil | true |
| 16:34.19 | SpeedEvil | in addition to the catching on fire being more likely in the first place |
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| 16:34.47 | ndnihil | either way, I'll continue to use a lith specific charger |
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| 16:35.12 | ndnihil | but then, I keep all my bulk liths in the fireplace "just in case" |
| 16:37.11 | ndnihil | and really, any geek worth his pocket protector would have a multi-cell/multi-chemistry battery charger laying around anyway ;) |
| 16:39.14 | m_abs | It seemed to work. The phone is trying to boot now. |
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| 16:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: great :-) Seems you're still alive :-D |
| 16:40.42 | ndnihil | call the fire department!!! |
| 16:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | please hook up OM charger now |
| 16:41.22 | m_abs | DocScrutinizer, and it looks like it's charging from the wallcharger, thanks. I still think there is a problem with the usb connector. Since I couldn't charge it, with any cables before the battery was completely discharged. |
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| 16:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: might be "bat drained completely" syndrome - refer to wiki for details |
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| 16:43.07 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5064 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/INFO: Added a few parts and data sheet links. |
| 16:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: still wait if the phone stay up for the next two hours. If not, you really have a charger/usb problem |
| 16:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | make sure your OM charger is connected to mains power and FR correctly, anyway |
| 16:45.46 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: and PLEASE don't ever repeat the above procedure without close supervision. Any stray on details actually may create risk for harm |
| 16:46.19 | m_abs | DocScrutinizer, Thanks, I don't intend to :) |
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| 16:50.44 | trigger_ | when I boot my freerunner, freshly flashed with qi/SHR, i get alot of I/O-error messages. I have searched and it seems my SD card may be slow(the one inkluded in the package). It says I should change some sd_max_clk boot-variable, but I don't know how to with qi. |
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| 16:53.21 | m_abs | I don't know the english term for this. But couldn't I buy a charger, that could charge the battery without the phone, like I can for some nokia phones+batteries? |
| 16:53.39 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * rf496191ab2c9 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): org.freesmartphone.Device.IdleNotifier: use IdleState marshalling |
| 16:54.21 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: sure you can |
| 16:55.10 | m_abs | Would a charger for Nokia BL-4C work? |
| 16:55.22 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libfso-glib * r9289ef27ee04 10/src/ (3 files): refresh |
| 16:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: any second source charger (no genuine NOKIA brand) compatible with nokia BL-5C bat should do |
| 16:56.17 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: BL-4C also ok |
| 16:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | afair |
| 16:57.03 | DocScrutinizer | no original NOKIA though - that's the rumour |
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| 16:57.52 | DocScrutinizer | as those check exact type of bat, and allegedly refuse to charge gta02-bat |
| 16:59.16 | ndnihil | not to intrude (again), but you might want to look at a generic charger like that triton I linked to. it costs a bit more, but you'll be able to charge most anything with it, and making a clip for phone batteries is quite easy. |
| 16:59.29 | DocScrutinizer | same problem with charging gta02bat in a nokiaphone |
| 17:01.06 | m_abs | It that check done by the nokiaphone? |
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| 17:01.50 | m_abs | I ask because the device I found require a nokia wall-charger to work. |
| 17:02.10 | DocScrutinizer | BL-5C is a "dumb bat", you could trick NOKIA chargers and phones by placing a paper for isolation on middle contact of gta02bat, and connect a 9k-resistor from mddlecontact of charger/phone to GND/minus |
| 17:03.48 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: the wallcharger requirement is simply for voltage drop to ~4V on a certain amount of current being drawn. check is done inside phone/charger unit, not in wall power supply |
| 17:03.51 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9412debba34f 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_input/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala): fsodevice: convert kernel_input to Gee |
| 17:03.52 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * raab7e44919a4 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi interfaces.vala): fsoframework: interfaces: add IdleNotifier service path |
| 17:04.45 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re5fdeccac186 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_idle/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel_idle: read timeouts from config, implement more of the interface |
| 17:06.00 | m_abs | DocScrutinizer, Good :) |
| 17:07.27 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: btw (if you're curious) this is the reason I insisted on a nokia charger with barrelconnector for above procedure, not suggesting e.g. to use any 5V power source |
| 17:10.15 | DocScrutinizer | usual wallwart power supplies are not suited for this procedure, as they either have too high voltage, and/or too high max current, or completely cut out due to shortcircuit protection. Nokia compatible wallwarts are different here |
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| 17:12.37 | m_abs | Okay. Not that I want to do it again :) |
| 17:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: for commercial universal chargers you might want to ask ndnihil - he seems to have some experience on this topic |
| 17:14.33 | m_abs | I found a very cheep "compatible" nokia charger unit for a nokia 6600 with extra room for a BL-5C battery. I hope it'll work. |
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| 17:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | should |
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| 17:15.58 | m_abs | If it doesn't not much harm. I use more monkey on cola every day, then that. :) |
| 17:18.01 | m_abs | monkey > money :) |
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| 17:35.14 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 17:38.32 | Zorkman | aargh |
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| 17:49.13 | larsc | ~. |
| 17:49.13 | apt | . |
| 17:49.28 | DocScrutinizer | hmmpf |
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| 17:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~~ |
| 17:58.06 | apt | i guess ~ is the key |
| 17:58.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~.~ |
| 17:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~_~ |
| 17:59.26 | PBeck | two keys? |
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| 18:04.59 | F4t | when SHR starts for the first time, illume asks what theme/layout to use.... theres illume.. and illume-shr... where is it stored and how can i changed it? |
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| 18:07.11 | Zorkman | F4t: ask in #openmoko-cdevel to see where it is stored |
| 18:07.22 | Zorkman | you can alsways change it in the illume config menu (then wrench) |
| 18:07.56 | F4t | Zorkman, do u know exactly where in the config menu? (didnt find at first look) |
| 18:08.18 | F4t | ah nvm.... found.... settings->profiles |
| 18:08.20 | Zorkman | eeuhm, my Fr is still in germany, but i think it's under "look" |
| 18:08.23 | Zorkman | ok :) |
| 18:08.35 | Zorkman | i would recommend illume-shr :) |
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| 18:15.04 | F4t | Zorkman, ye, im trying to make my vmware run illume-shr... |
| 18:15.18 | F4t | so far i got e17 up and running, with resolution 480x640 |
| 18:15.31 | F4t | now i need the profile so it will look like on the moko |
| 18:15.45 | Zorkman | F4t: nice, this seems interesting |
| 18:16.05 | F4t | F4t, it should ease gui development considerably :) |
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| 18:16.37 | F4t | any channel here that can help with shr stuff? |
| 18:16.45 | Zorkman | #openmoko-cdevel |
| 18:16.49 | Zorkman | all the shr-people are there |
| 18:16.53 | F4t | thanks |
| 18:16.56 | Zorkman | np |
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| 18:30.38 | trigger_ | The power/suspend/etc menu in my SHR is only one pixel wide. I found lot's of tickets of this on the SHR-site, but everyone was closed, saying it was a "upstream" problem, but i don't know what that means and can't find anything about it. |
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| 18:36.41 | m_abs | DocScrutinizer, Still here? |
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| 18:38.34 | SpeedEvil | upstream means that the problem is in teh original code - not touched by OM |
| 18:39.53 | trigger_ | hmm, I don't think i get it, like the kernel? :/ |
| 18:40.21 | m_abs | The kernel could be an example. |
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| 18:40.55 | trigger_ | oh, and SHR is built from FSO, so that could also be it? |
| 18:42.04 | m_abs | The linux kernel developers fixes an issue in their code (upstream) before the fixes becomes available in the Linux distributions own versions (downstream) of the kernel. |
| 18:43.27 | m_abs | Could you give an example of one of those bugs? |
| 18:44.08 | m_abs | I'd like to read to comment on the report. |
| 18:44.34 | Zorkman | m_abs: for example: fso supports delivery rapports (i think), but shr doesn't yet |
| 18:47.09 | dos1 | trigger_: it's fixed, just use shr-unstable |
| 18:47.15 | dos1 | testing is unsupported old crap :P |
| 18:47.37 | trigger_ | feels like it should be more stable ;) |
| 18:48.29 | m_abs | I've have a weird problem. When I boot the FR into the "flash" menu (can't remember its name) with the usb-cable connected to my linux PC, I can see the FR on my PC with lsusb. But then it's booted into SHR-lite I can't see it from my PC. USB on the FR is set to "device". |
| 18:49.13 | F4t | m_abs, did you try to connect the usb after its booted? |
| 18:49.38 | m_abs | F4t, Yes. |
| 18:49.55 | dos1 | trigger_: well, when bugs are fixed, they are in unstable, not testing |
| 18:50.16 | dos1 | trigger_: (until next unstable->testing migration, which happens too rarely now) |
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| 18:50.46 | dos1 | trigger_: we are working on changing that situation, and have -testing really testing, and -unstable really unstable :P |
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| 18:51.05 | F4t | m_abs, did you follow the steps from the wiki to configure ur linux host? |
| 18:51.08 | dos1 | now -unstable has new things/fixed, and -testing is just unupgraded, old and buggy unstable |
| 18:51.19 | trigger_ | dos1: hmm, guess I thought the bugfixes would come to testing aswell :) |
| 18:51.39 | dos1 | trigger_: well, they will :) but now they unfortunatelly don't |
| 18:51.46 | trigger_ | I see :) |
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| 18:52.21 | trigger_ | shr-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090523-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 the right image? |
| 18:52.24 | flohack | Hi! I'm trying to flash andoid koolu r7, the automated installation fails. Can someone please tell me which files I have to flash to which partition? |
| 18:52.44 | m_abs | F4t, You mean the part about needing the module cdc_ether, and setting up routing rules with iptables? |
| 18:53.02 | flohack | the automated installer hangs with a white screen after booting the first time :-( |
| 18:53.32 | TAsn | F4t, what seems to be your issue? |
| 18:53.46 | TAsn | F4t, oh, nvm. |
| 18:54.14 | m_abs | F4t, I can flash the device. Maybe I should just do that. |
| 18:55.47 | F4t | m_abs, besides the flashing u should add usb0 on the host linux.... |
| 18:56.14 | F4t | m_abs, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Usb_networking#The_shortest_way |
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| 19:03.28 | m_abs | F4t, I don't have an usb0 or an eth1. But I'll try to flash it with the newest unstable. |
| 19:03.46 | m_abs | And hope that fixes the issue. |
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| 19:09.11 | TAsn | F4t, not correct with shr |
| 19:10.28 | m_abs | TAsn, what's not correct? |
| 19:11.30 | TAsn | in shr it's ethX on the host linux. |
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| 19:13.15 | m_abs | I thought the host decided that. |
| 19:14.07 | TAsn | m_abs, no |
| 19:14.25 | TAsn | usb0 means usb networking #1 or something like that (not really sure) |
| 19:14.32 | DocMobilizer | TAsn: yes |
| 19:14.54 | TAsn | ethX = ethernet networking #X or something like that (again, not sure) |
| 19:15.05 | F4t | DocMobilizer,Tasn, the host decides the eth number... |
| 19:15.10 | TAsn | anyhow, the iface of the moko is set to ethX because it now "says" it's an ethernet networking device |
| 19:15.12 | TAsn | iirc. |
| 19:15.19 | TAsn | F4t, duh |
| 19:15.21 | DocMobilizer | host decides based on usb-vendor/prod-id |
| 19:15.22 | TAsn | I said ethX |
| 19:16.03 | m_abs | Of cause. :) |
| 19:16.10 | TAsn | the host also decides if it'll be usb/eth though since the moko says it's an ethernet device, the host automatically decides it should be ethX and not usbX (recent change in shr, 1 month old) |
| 19:16.33 | DocMobilizer | yup |
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| 19:17.10 | TAsn | DocMobilizer, usbX = usb networking device, right? |
| 19:17.28 | DocMobilizer | yup |
| 19:18.11 | TAsn | cool, thanks :) |
| 19:20.06 | m_abs | But if you insist on calling it usb0, you could change it's name with a udev-rule on the host :) |
| 19:20.39 | DocMobilizer | yup, again |
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| 19:23.01 | TAsn | m_abs, but why would you want to do that? |
| 19:23.20 | m_abs | TAsn, because I can? |
| 19:23.20 | TAsn | I mean, the change of name is not an issue, but an intended enhancement. |
| 19:23.52 | m_abs | I can't see a good reason to do it. |
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| 19:25.40 | TAsn | m_abs, You can do a lot of stupid stuff, why insisting on doing this? you can also change the device name of you sata drive from sda to tasna |
| 19:25.45 | TAsn | though why would you want to do that? |
| 19:25.53 | TAsn | your* |
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| 19:27.26 | m_abs | As I said: "I can't see a good reason to do it." :) |
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| 19:28.00 | DocMobilizer | m_abs: eth is supposed to work better with connection managers and other tools than usb |
| 19:29.00 | DocMobilizer | basically its a question to do naming the correct way |
| 19:29.07 | max_posedon | m_abs, static mac on host is good |
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| 19:29.19 | max_posedon | I can write interested rules for handling this |
| 19:29.24 | m_abs | DocMobilizer, okay. :) Another good reason not to set the udev-rule :) |
| 19:30.54 | m_abs | Maybe my comment was misunderstood. I don't think changing the udev-rule so it names the interface usb0 :) I just said you could, if you wanted to. |
| 19:31.02 | DocScrutinizer | do whatever you want, in the end you are your own sys admin. Don't complain though, then |
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| 19:36.01 | BogdanR | Hello |
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| 19:36.22 | BogdanR | Can please someone tell me how to change the booting splash screen in OS2008 ? |
| 19:37.04 | brian__ | proly switching to fso-unstable is best |
| 19:37.11 | max_posedon | BogdanR, in first, you shouldn't use OS2008 at all |
| 19:37.19 | dos1 | max_posedon: ++ |
| 19:37.29 | max_posedon | brian__, I think shr-unstable better |
| 19:37.36 | brian__ | ok |
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| 19:37.45 | brian__ | works for me |
| 19:38.22 | BogdanR | I know but that OS2008 sux but I'm interested in changing the splash |
| 19:38.24 | max_posedon | works for many people, but "be stable" isn't main reason why you use FR, not nokia3310 |
| 19:39.45 | brian__ | maybe the GTB will be better |
| 19:39.48 | Guest21061 | just wondering: can Richard Stallman use a nokia 3310? |
| 19:39.59 | max_posedon | Guest21061, nope |
| 19:40.09 | max_posedon | because it fully proprietary |
| 19:40.19 | brian__ | is it really Dave |
| 19:40.38 | brian__ | 45 days |
| 19:41.17 | Guest21061 | if it is not good enough for him, is it then good enough for a geek like me that want to play with his phone? |
| 19:41.48 | slaxxer\ | u know it |
| 19:42.17 | max_posedon | Guest21061, how we can know anything about you? |
| 19:42.38 | slaxxer\ | try the bytestore 2008.12,, it has a black keyboard an white letters i like it |
| 19:43.19 | max_posedon | bytestore 2008'12 still crap |
| 19:43.23 | slaxxer\ | paroli needs a black keyboard |
| 19:43.49 | beer__ | max_posedon: you could have a detailed log of me from this channel |
| 19:44.28 | beer__ | but my point is that others phones is not good enough becouse they are closed so I cannot use them the way I want |
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| 19:44.58 | SpeedEvil | IMO there is unfree, and there is free and featureless or broken |
| 19:45.02 | SpeedEvil | neither are good places |
| 19:45.14 | SpeedEvil | even if in principle the latter you can fix yourself. |
| 19:45.16 | beer__ | I tend to flash the FR around once a week and now I am duel booting it (qith the qt stuff and android |
| 19:46.01 | beer__ | define featureless |
| 19:46.45 | beer__ | to flash(shift mobile os as I see fit) a phone is featureless is a feature I like |
| 19:46.51 | m_abs | Cool splash screen on the new shr image, but shouldn't the letters be green? |
| 19:47.09 | SpeedEvil | Not reliably function as a smartphone for the average user. |
| 19:47.21 | SpeedEvil | = featureless |
| 19:47.41 | SpeedEvil | If you want to run xterms, with an external keyboard, and mouse, that works fine, but... |
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| 19:48.10 | slaxxer\ | m_abs what is it? |
| 19:49.04 | m_abs | slaxxer\, red letters the text "DON'T PANIC". |
| 19:49.10 | beer__ | I can make normal phone call (even with the buzz), resive SMS and other stuff I normal do. |
| 19:49.27 | slaxxer\ | oo yea |
| 19:50.00 | SpeedEvil | beer: a nokia 3300 can do that. And it's got over a weeks standby |
| 19:50.03 | SpeedEvil | beer |
| 19:50.13 | SpeedEvil | those aren't smartphone apps. |
| 19:50.37 | SpeedEvil | (and is about 1/20th of the price on ebay) |
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| 19:51.09 | beer__ | so if I shift my FR to another pone, like 3300, I cannot try different OS. They do not have this feature |
| 19:51.32 | beer__ | and if they are so cheep on bay sounds like that the owner do no like it |
| 19:51.56 | SpeedEvil | err - no - it's that they are 10 years old. |
| 19:53.16 | beer__ | I know that I do not use all parts of my FR but it is the only phone I know of that is good enough for me. At leasat unto someone else make a nice/open/Linux phone |
| 19:54.15 | beer__ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nokia_products <- nokia 3300 was made in 2003 whitch mean we are in 2013 by now :) |
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| 19:55.04 | beer__ | maybe I should go to bed before I start blarberly to much |
| 19:55.17 | beer__ | can you people have a nice day |
| 19:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: [2009-05-25 14:15:40] <SpeedEvil> the guide had 'Don't panic' in yellow, in a relaxing font on the front cover |
| 19:57.07 | DocScrutinizer | m_abs: I agree 4DON'T PANIC1 in *red* looks a little scary. I like the bitter irony though ;-) |
| 19:57.21 | BogdanR | Please tell me if any of you know how I can change the splash screen of OS2008? |
| 19:59.44 | m_abs | DocMobilizer, Well, I thought it was funny :) |
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| 20:00.14 | DocScrutinizer | BogdanR: you can easily change u-boot splash (the one showing up immediately after power up - for few seconds). Refer to people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash |
| 20:00.16 | TAsn | SpeedEvil, are you sure the guide has it in yellow? where is it written at? I just remember "Large friendly letters", nothing about coloring. :) |
| 20:00.32 | SpeedEvil | TAsn: I may be thinking about the TV series |
| 20:00.51 | TAsn | Never watched that. |
| 20:01.04 | TAsn | actually, I only listened to the raido show and watched the movie |
| 20:01.07 | TAsn | haven't even read the book. |
| 20:01.10 | TAsn | *s |
| 20:01.12 | BogdanR | DocScrutinizer: I know about that but you know that OS2008 has a booting image with some boots and that is something I don't know how to change |
| 20:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | I did a lot of googling and never found anything about color asw ell |
| 20:01.31 | m_abs | SpeedEvil, So was I. I though it was green, but after a search I found out it was yellow. |
| 20:01.59 | DocScrutinizer | BogdanR: om2008 EOL, no support anymore. sorry |
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| 20:02.11 | TAsn | DocScrutinizer, I guess the friendliness of the color is subjective ;) |
| 20:02.21 | DocScrutinizer | yup ;-D |
| 20:02.38 | TAsn | I think red is the friendliest ;) |
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| 20:03.02 | DocScrutinizer | hey, it's the color of love - isn't it? ;-) |
| 20:03.08 | TAsn | though anyhow, what's good about the red, is that people see it from the far side of the room. |
| 20:03.13 | jc2 | DocMobilizer: how about purple? |
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| 20:03.31 | jc2 | DocMobilizer:purple might scare people. |
| 20:03.47 | TAsn | jc2, purple is too creepy |
| 20:03.57 | Zorkman | I rather like the red |
| 20:04.00 | TAsn | I like the red, and can live with the yellow :) |
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| 20:04.18 | DocScrutinizer | jc2: I *hate* purple, since I had a room in a commune (WG in German) owned by a feminist gal prior to me. Was ALL puple |
| 20:04.39 | TAsn | (Actually, I'll just install the red one if there'll be more colors) |
| 20:04.41 | Zorkman | purple is the best color to sell horror stories (at least "they" say) |
| 20:06.56 | jc2 | DocMobilizer: aren't we discuss the most uncomfortable color? |
| 20:07.18 | F4t | a quick linux question, what generates Makefile out of makefile.in? |
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| 20:07.38 | SpeedEvil | configure? |
| 20:07.45 | SpeedEvil | ./configure |
| 20:07.48 | F4t | crap |
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| 20:10.05 | DocScrutinizer | jc2: if I intended to scare ppl away from using my device, I'd use a picture of a giant spider rather than a purple "DON'T PANIC" ;-D |
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| 20:10.46 | Blu3 | f4t, automake does, configure calls it |
| 20:11.06 | F4t | automake generates .in files from .am, no? |
| 20:11.10 | jc2 | DocScrutinizer: we should put you in the design team. you have better sense. |
| 20:11.54 | DocScrutinizer | jc2: I always told that to Wolfgang, but you know as well OM never listens to reasonable suggestion ;-) |
| 20:14.49 | jc2 | DocScrutinizer: actually, I am douting about that. I think more closed to "s/reasonable//g" |
| 20:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, just did a `sed 's/\ apn,\ login,\ password\ =\ \"internet\",\ \"internet\", "interne\t"/\ apn,\ login,\ password\ =\ \"pinternet.interkom.de\",\ \"internet\", "interne\t"/ /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/shr_settings_modules/shr_gprs.py |
| 20:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | now I'm rather happy with my SHR settings-Connectivity |
| 20:18.43 | max_posedon | hm.. shr-stable can now remember settings |
| 20:18.48 | max_posedon | why you need this? |
| 20:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | actually having a vast majority of apps in a interpreted lang like python is a quite good thing |
| 20:19.33 | DocScrutinizer | shr-S*T*A*B*L*E ???!!!???? WTF?! |
| 20:19.45 | max_posedon | sorry) *unstable) |
| 20:19.58 | Zorkman | lol |
| 20:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | I don't like unstale, as it forgot how to do a lot of useful things testing-090416 knew about |
| 20:21.45 | max_posedon | which thing for example? |
| 20:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | e.g. decent suspend/resume |
| 20:22.12 | DocScrutinizer | or power button menu |
| 20:23.00 | DocScrutinizer | and *no* I didn't try it. Just heard rumours every time |
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| 20:24.08 | DocScrutinizer | In the noon Ainulindale tells me "hey now we got a decent version", in the afternoon he denies and says it'll take another day (or 2..., 3) |
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| 20:24.30 | max_posedon | )) |
| 20:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | also I don't care whether that's FSO or SHR fault |
| 20:24.54 | max_posedon | I use unstable updated at Sunday |
| 20:25.20 | DocScrutinizer | duh, long ago, no use to test today's image so |
| 20:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | actually the "noon" story is from sunday ;-D |
| 20:25.58 | max_posedon | really?!) |
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| 20:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | maybe saturday |
| 20:27.42 | max_posedon | let me check moon-calendar |
| 20:27.48 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 20:28.11 | max_posedon | Sunday, May 24, 2009: New Moon 3:12pm (EEST) |
| 20:28.13 | DocScrutinizer | missing his moonphase applet in systray |
| 20:28.23 | max_posedon | no any reason why shr shouldn't work |
| 20:28.30 | DocScrutinizer | yup, sounds about right |
| 20:29.07 | DocScrutinizer | probably sunday's is the golden sample for the next 28 days :P |
| 20:29.32 | DocScrutinizer | if built *after* 3:12pm EEST |
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| 20:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | only question is: where to get it *now* |
| 20:31.46 | max_posedon | hm.. may be any version before may31 will work, so try) |
| 20:32.03 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: menu under power button works out-of-box in unstable |
| 20:32.18 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: sometimes there are some mysterious suspend problems |
| 20:32.37 | dos1 | DocScrutinizer: but only sometimes, dunno if testing also has that problem |
| 20:32.43 | max_posedon | dos1, what version you use? |
| 20:32.48 | dos1 | max_posedon: latest :P |
| 20:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | anyway accessing whole rootfs via konqueror sftp:// and open python scripts with a click in kate, then write back directly to FR, is so fsckng cute... incredible |
| 20:33.02 | dos1 | always latest ;) |
| 20:33.09 | max_posedon | dos1, I mean, when you updated |
| 20:33.19 | max_posedon | no any power menu for sundays version |
| 20:33.35 | dos1 | max_posedon: i update every day |
| 20:33.58 | dos1 | ok, have to go now |
| 20:33.59 | dos1 | good night |
| 20:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | gnaah, cme back when you got at least *sorta* stable snapshot |
| 20:34.33 | DocScrutinizer | gnight dos |
| 20:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | for the time til then, I'll happily recommend people.om.org/joerg/shr-testing to every newcomer asking "what should I test for a decent distro" |
| 20:36.26 | max_posedon | you really bealive in newcommers who want just stable phone?) |
| 20:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:37.48 | playya | the phone is stable |
| 20:38.10 | max_posedon | playya, nice joke!) |
| 20:38.11 | playya | i think you can drop it from about 1m |
| 20:38.26 | max_posedon | heh, I did it once |
| 20:39.14 | playya | and its still working? |
| 20:39.45 | playya | DocMobilizer, http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/impressions-of-25C3/impressions-of-25c3/snc00243_jpg.jpeg.html glamo chips smashed down with a hammer? |
| 20:39.59 | max_posedon | yep, even from 1.5m on concrete |
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| 20:42.30 | Wonka | playya: wah, that's several GTA02's worth of chips, isn't it? |
| 20:42.55 | SpeedEvil | Bad news. |
| 20:43.04 | SpeedEvil | http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/03/04/1634235/Woman-Discovers-Nokia-Phone-In-Her-Bag-Of-Chips?art_pos=13 |
| 20:43.14 | SpeedEvil | they're giving them away now! |
| 20:43.37 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: actually GTA01 at best |
| 20:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | those chips weren't that crunchy anymore ;-) |
| 20:44.26 | Wonka | »The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.« |
| 20:44.41 | DocScrutinizer | too bad :-/ |
| 20:44.59 | DocScrutinizer | I kicked you out, Wonka ;-P |
| 20:45.43 | Wonka | as if you were some slashdot person ;) |
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| 20:46.07 | Wonka | and i know for sure that you do not work at my ISP |
| 20:46.08 | DocScrutinizer | ohhh, slashdot. noooooo |
| 20:46.35 | Wonka | (i work there myself) |
| 20:47.22 | DocScrutinizer | i'm not /., I'm ~/. ;) |
| 20:48.09 | DocScrutinizer | on my phone I'm root ;-D |
| 20:49.49 | Wonka | wo's not? |
| 20:50.00 | Wonka | +h |
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| 21:01.40 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: all the por guys struggling with a thing called "jailbreak" e.g. ? ;) |
| 21:01.52 | DocScrutinizer | s/por/poor/ |
| 21:02.42 | Wonka | ah. i assumed "phone" meant "gta02" or "gta01" in this channel... |
| 21:02.45 | Wonka | or, wait |
| 21:03.05 | Wonka | those are linux computers that someday might have telephony functions |
| 21:03.16 | Wonka | *duck* |
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| 21:04.33 | trigger_ | which bootloader/kernel is recommended for shr-unstable? |
| 21:04.53 | SpeedEvil | lilo |
| 21:04.58 | SpeedEvil | *(or not) |
| 21:05.02 | trigger_ | ;) |
| 21:05.16 | trigger_ | maby it's not called bootloader on the phone :D |
| 21:06.14 | Wonka | it is. u-boot and qi are available. |
| 21:08.28 | trigger_ | i see |
| 21:08.59 | F4t | does anyone know where and what do i need to copy so that an application will appear in illume desktop? (SHR) |
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| 21:10.05 | max_posedon | .oO famous "project B" logged in |
| 21:10.44 | Toaster` | shuffles about inconspicuously... |
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| 21:13.07 | badcloud | F4t, create a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ |
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| 21:13.45 | badcloud | I recommend just doing 'cat /usr/share/applications/something.desktop' and following that example |
| 21:14.28 | F4t | badcloud, the problem is i have alot of files there, but none of them appear in the GUI |
| 21:16.12 | eolson | max_posedon,playya, I drove off with the gta01 on my car roof a couple weeks ago. It fell off at about 30mph onto the street. The phone and battery are scratched up, but it still works :) |
| 21:16.42 | badcloud | F4t, do any appear? |
| 21:17.35 | max_posedon | eolson, cool! this was really good test |
| 21:17.55 | max_posedon | have you in plans do the same with gta02?) |
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| 21:19.52 | F4t | badcloud, none |
| 21:20.11 | badcloud | that's very strange |
| 21:20.27 | badcloud | I not be much help then |
| 21:20.29 | F4t | i figure its something to d with applications.menu upon compilation |
| 21:20.34 | F4t | do* |
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| 21:20.36 | badcloud | maybe |
| 21:20.49 | badcloud | did you compile the image yourself? |
| 21:20.56 | Toaster` | F4t: What distro do you have/when did you last upgrade? |
| 21:21.09 | badcloud | well, I'm spent |
| 21:21.11 | F4t | im actually trying to build a VM with shr-like environment... |
| 21:21.13 | badcloud | 'night |
| 21:21.14 | eolson | max_posedon, I wish I had a gta02 :) I don't think I'll try dropping one again unless I have a spare :) (although I'm pretty sure it will survive a lot now) |
| 21:21.30 | Toaster` | There were issues like that with SHR-unstable a month or two back... |
| 21:21.46 | F4t | Toaster`, currently working with Slackware 12.2, easy_e17.sh, and shr's git |
| 21:22.06 | F4t | Toaster`, managed to get it to display the main GUI, with correct resolution and profile... |
| 21:22.13 | F4t | Toaster`, though dont see any apps :D |
| 21:22.51 | Toaster` | ok, IIRC the issue was in something like e-wm-menu/application menu... or something along those lines. It wasn't getting installed. |
| 21:23.27 | F4t | ye, i figured that much, applications.menu needed to be merged somewhere to the source... |
| 21:23.31 | F4t | though i have no idea where |
| 21:24.49 | F4t | im trying to replace .../e/debian/applications-enlightment.menu and rebuild... |
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| 21:25.26 | Toaster` | fire your question into #openmoko-cdevel, one of the other SHR guys should have an answer... |
| 21:25.46 | F4t | they are never there :) |
| 21:26.05 | TAsn | F4t, OH you see illume? |
| 21:26.05 | TAsn | or just e17 without illume? |
| 21:26.29 | TAsn | if illume you should check the categories, I don't recall exactly what the correct categories are, though try "playing" with one desktop's file category. |
| 21:26.34 | F4t | i see illume with illume-shr profile |
| 21:26.54 | TAsn | ok, and there are no desktop files at all? |
| 21:27.06 | F4t | can anyone with a moko handy check the categories of his .desktop file? |
| 21:27.10 | TAsn | go to /usr/share/applications |
| 21:27.13 | F4t | TAsn, no |
| 21:27.14 | TAsn | open one file |
| 21:27.21 | TAsn | F4t, Applications |
| 21:27.24 | TAsn | that works for me |
| 21:27.29 | TAsn | only having that category |
| 21:27.32 | F4t | TAsn, Type=Applications |
| 21:27.40 | TAsn | sec. |
| 21:27.57 | F4t | category only that? but shr-settigns has settings category too... |
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| 21:28.21 | TAsn | Categories=Applications; |
| 21:28.21 | TAsn | Type=Application |
| 21:28.21 | TAsn | :) |
| 21:28.21 | TAsn | change something to that |
| 21:28.22 | TAsn | and see if that works |
| 21:28.26 | TAsn | should auto-refresh. |
| 21:29.36 | TAsn | F4t, we are trying to debug here ;) |
| 21:29.41 | TAsn | not to do the correct thing to do. |
| 21:29.44 | TAsn | just give it a try. |
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| 21:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | eolson: *please* make a story to [community] out of this, with photos (of coursed faked ones) of the 1973 laying on the street and your car stopped 50m away, a few snapshots of the actual damage done (scars) etc :-)) |
| 21:34.44 | eolson | I was thinking of something like that -- ok, will do it :) |
| 21:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | if you like, I can host the photos on people.om.org, or you uüload them to wiki/user or sth |
| 21:36.11 | DocScrutinizer | eolson: much appreciated ;-) |
| 21:36.30 | eolson | ok thanks -- I shouldn't need hosting, but I'll let you know -- hardest part will making time to take the pictures |
| 21:36.41 | eolson | sure, problem :) |
| 21:37.43 | eolson | s/problem/no problem |
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| 21:39.23 | F4t | TAsn, tryed, not working |
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| 21:45.16 | TAsn | F4t, check the modules, there might be a "desktop" module you need, or something similar. |
| 21:45.39 | TAsn | I don't remember exactly what modules e has, though as it's highly modular, that might be a good place to start at. |
| 21:45.45 | TAsn | try creating something on the desktop |
| 21:45.49 | TAsn | see if you can |
| 21:45.58 | TAsn | this way we'll be able to isolate the issue. |
| 21:46.02 | TAsn | anyhow, I'm off, gn. |
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| 21:51.16 | F4t | SOlved, thanks to the guys at #e |
| 21:55.53 | Toaster` | F4t: what was the issue? |
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| 21:59.33 | F4t | Toaster`, seems like the .menu file from shr's git was supposed to be placed in one of several sepcific search path's... |
| 21:59.42 | F4t | Toaster`, without passing compilation process... |
| 22:00.10 | F4t | Toaster`, the specific search paths are in efreet's wiki documentation |
| 22:00.32 | Toaster` | ahh ok. Cool |
| 22:00.37 | Toaster` | Thanks |
| 22:01.08 | F4t | now backing up my VM :D |
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| 22:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | what's this darn "categories=" supposed to do anyway? o.O |
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| 23:06.22 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5068 10/trunk/gta02-core/scripts/ (Makefile mkdsv): |
| 23:06.22 | CIA-53 | openmoko: New script to maintain a cache of data sheets. |
| 23:06.22 | CIA-53 | openmoko: For quick access, the script creates executables that invoke xpdf on the |
| 23:06.22 | CIA-53 | openmoko: respective file. |
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| 23:38.10 | trigger_ | it says on the SHR project blog that mokomaze was added to the feed, but my opkg can't find the package, do I have the wrong feed? |
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