| 00:01.08 | jonkristian | Any ideas? trying to ssh into a newly installed debian system, i've added g_ether to /etc/modules, http://rafb.net/p/eKxKVb30.html |
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| 00:02.01 | jonkristian | this is how i try it, http://rafb.net/p/HTyGg381.html |
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| 04:43.55 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5039 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Added varistor to compilation and expanded view. |
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| 04:59.35 | slaxxer | yea settings in shr-unstable works again |
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| 07:23.39 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5040 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 07:23.40 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Renamed AAT1275 to AAT1275IRN. That's the 16-pin variant. There's also |
| 07:23.40 | CIA-53 | openmoko: a 12-pin variant of the AAT1275, called AAT1275ITP. |
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| 07:39.06 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5041 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 07:39.06 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Renamed RT9013 to RT9013_B because there's a different package with different |
| 07:39.06 | CIA-53 | openmoko: pin numbering. |
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| 07:46.55 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5042 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 07:46.55 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Renamed rt9701a to rt9701, because the symbol is the same for rt9701 and |
| 07:46.56 | CIA-53 | openmoko: rt9701a. |
| 07:46.56 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Also made mkloe return a non-zero exit code if a file doesn't exist. |
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| 07:58.26 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5043 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 07:58.26 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Renamed wm8753l to wm8753lgefl because there's also a BGA package with |
| 07:58.26 | CIA-53 | openmoko: completely different pinout. |
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| 08:47.16 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:51.32 | jc1 | Hopscotch: moin. |
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| 09:05.01 | jonkristian | http://img22.exs.cx/img22/9162/pictureframe.gif |
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| 09:15.40 | Daramarak | I just installed the kernel uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.bin and qi, and now I have problems with the RNDIS driver (Device cannot start) is this a known problem, or an regression to #1279 |
| 09:16.51 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5044 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/INFO: |
| 09:16.51 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Machine-readable mapping between components names, data sheets, and |
| 09:16.51 | CIA-53 | openmoko: related information. In progress. |
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| 11:37.04 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/148117 hmm - leeetle bluetooth keyb |
| 11:37.59 | SpeedEvil | oh - I thought this was a remake of the credit card one - my bad |
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| 11:56.13 | Daramarak | I just installed the kernel uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.bin and qi, and now I have problems with the RNDIS driver (Device cannot start) is this a known problem, or an regression to #1279? |
| 11:56.39 | Weiss | SpeedEvil: looks good though |
| 11:57.03 | Weiss | Daramarak: muppet check: did you install the modules to your rootfs first? |
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| 11:58.10 | Daramarak | I installed the rootfs first, I got some problems with the kernel image. So installed this later. |
| 11:59.36 | Daramarak | Or maybe it was vice versa, I am not 100% sure. |
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| 12:02.51 | Daramarak | Weiss: isn't it enough to just install the rootfs and startup? Do I have to install something else? |
| 12:03.14 | Weiss | well, the kernel modules (in /lib/modules) must match your kernel uImage, otherwise stuff will break |
| 12:03.40 | Weiss | but i think i remember some people talking about an RNDIS breakage the other day.. i wasn't paying much attention |
| 12:04.13 | Daramarak | Ok, I got the kernel and the rootfs from the same ftp folder so I think they should be ok. |
| 12:04.53 | Weiss | yep, that should work |
| 12:05.44 | Daramarak | Is there any way to check if they match? |
| 12:10.10 | Weiss | what folders do you have under /lib/modules? |
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| 12:13.52 | Daramarak | just a moment (at work)... |
| 12:13.55 | badcloud | haha, DON'T PANIC in new shr kernel |
| 12:14.14 | badcloud | I wouldn't have chosen screaming red for that |
| 12:14.31 | badcloud | I tend to panic when I see bright big red letters, no matter what they say |
| 12:14.53 | SpeedEvil | gotta be relaxing yellow |
| 12:15.00 | badcloud | or green |
| 12:15.25 | SpeedEvil | hitchhikers guide to the galaxy |
| 12:15.32 | badcloud | haha |
| 12:15.34 | badcloud | totally |
| 12:15.39 | Daramarak | Weiss: 2.6.29-rc2 |
| 12:15.40 | SpeedEvil | the guide had 'Don't panic' in yellow, in a relaxing font on the front cover |
| 12:16.05 | SpeedEvil | That would be cool. |
| 12:16.08 | SpeedEvil | 'MokoGuide' |
| 12:16.15 | SpeedEvil | One entry 'Earth - mostly harmless' |
| 12:16.19 | Tanuva | the neo IS the guide |
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| 12:17.47 | Daramarak | Weiss: same as my uname -r |
| 12:18.58 | Weiss | hmm, i was hoping that the folder was labelled with the git revision, but it seems not.. |
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| 12:19.19 | Weiss | but if you downloaded the two at the same time (uImage and rootfs), it should be fine.. |
| 12:19.46 | Tanuva | damn, what had I done about the missing libehal-ver-pre-01.so.0 in intone? |
| 12:20.13 | Tanuva | that used to work until I accidentally killed my om2k9 this morning *g+ |
| 12:20.54 | Daramarak | If there is a rndis problem other will notice to i guess. Ill just have to wait and see. |
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| 12:37.27 | jonkristian | Can somebody point me in the direction of the auto login script, xserver-nodm , or share, im currently on debian and can't find it. |
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| 13:29.35 | badcloud | something's screwy with the shr profile setttings |
| 13:29.48 | badcloud | looks a bit disorganized |
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| 14:55.51 | thrashold | Hello. When using fso framework from GIT with default configuration, constant reregistering to the network (bug 1024) shouldn't exist, right? And if I'm experiencing something similar, it is either due to my network, wrong GSM network indicatior in GUI, or misconfiguration or fsck up on my part? |
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| 14:57.05 | SpeedEvil | Have you tried standing on your head, while singing the Marseillaise ? |
| 14:57.24 | SpeedEvil | sorry - no serious answer. |
| 14:57.42 | badcloud | ~1 hour in suspend using the new unstable shr--->33% bat capacity |
| 14:58.40 | thrashold | badcloud: Could be an indicator issue. I experienced this in Debian when I enabled hald. And switching E's indicator not to use hald fixed it for me. |
| 14:59.02 | badcloud | how do I do that, thrashold? |
| 15:00.21 | thrashold | Of course, if there is no hald in shr, this is not the issue (I don't see why it would need hald) |
| 15:00.28 | thrashold | Well, in e settings |
| 15:01.21 | thrashold | Advanced -> Battery Metter -> Expert (I'm not sure how they're called, I'm using localized version) |
| 15:01.57 | badcloud | HAL, right? |
| 15:02.07 | badcloud | so I just switch to 'internal'? |
| 15:02.12 | thrashold | Try this |
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| 15:02.56 | thrashold | If it doesn't work, try switching to HAL, and if this doesn't work, switch to auto-detect -- the issue is probably somewhere else. |
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| 15:04.52 | badcloud | ok |
| 15:04.55 | badcloud | thanks |
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| 15:06.06 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:09.29 | badcloud | there's a bat statuds bug: http://shr-project.org/trac/ticket/475 |
| 15:09.35 | badcloud | *status |
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| 15:16.17 | thrashold | Did switching hal stuff fix it for you? I want to know if I stumbled on the same bug in Debian? |
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| 15:26.37 | badcloud | I switched to HAL and it switched right back to auto |
| 15:28.07 | thrashold | Yes, it does this, but switching to internal fixed it for me (even though the option says auto now) |
| 15:28.52 | badcloud | well I remember switching to internal and it didn't change |
| 15:28.59 | badcloud | the bat status bar fluctuates |
| 15:29.11 | badcloud | between correct and incorrect bat capacity |
| 15:29.46 | badcloud | so HAL? |
| 15:30.22 | badcloud | I think switching to internal prevented auto-sus |
| 15:31.40 | thrashold | I dunno. HAL probably. :) |
| 15:31.44 | thrashold | If SHR has this |
| 15:32.17 | badcloud | it does |
| 15:32.23 | badcloud | but I switched back to auto |
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| 15:36.45 | thrashold | Strange, I just switched to hal and the indicator went to 0%, I switched to internal and it went to 86%. I waited and it went to 28%. And now when I switch to internal it goes to 86%, when I switch to hal it goes to 28%. |
| 15:36.45 | badcloud | ok, now suspend won't work |
| 15:36.56 | badcloud | regardless of hal/internal/auto |
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| 15:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, no issues here with testing-04-16 |
| 15:43.44 | badcloud | yeah, I decided to take a walk on the wild side ;) |
| 15:44.39 | badcloud | latest unstable |
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| 15:55.42 | slaxxer | yea settings works now:) |
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| 15:57.02 | slaxxer | either battery charge is not working correctly or something |
| 15:57.47 | TAsn | slaxxer, are you talking about shr bug #475 ? |
| 15:57.48 | slaxxer | charged all night on usb but didnt show a full charge |
| 15:58.06 | slaxxer | just saying what i see |
| 15:59.19 | Weiss | PaulFertser knows exactly what's going on with the HAL/battery problem |
| 15:59.56 | Weiss | there appears to be an additional problem where the Illume config switch for it doesn't stick, which is just annoying |
| 16:00.20 | Weiss | not convinced it has anything in the slightest to do with suspend/resume though |
| 16:00.33 | Weiss | what has changed to get HAL pulled into SHR? |
| 16:03.39 | slaxxer | well i just started having this problem with shr-current |
| 16:03.44 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.47 | Weiss | X.org will pull in HAL with the default recipe in OE (at least, for the one i looked at), but it's only actually needed depending on the config of X. i don't think we currently have any need for it |
| 16:05.14 | Weiss | but SHR hasn't just been upgraded to X.org as far as i know...? |
| 16:05.36 | slaxxer | ok |
| 16:06.10 | slaxxer | so how to charge me battery:) |
| 16:06.30 | slaxxer | seems to be on slow charge |
| 16:06.44 | Weiss | it should work fine, even though the indication is wrong, as i understand it |
| 16:06.47 | slaxxer | charged about 1/2 overnight |
| 16:06.54 | slaxxer | ok |
| 16:06.55 | slaxxer | ic |
| 16:07.05 | slaxxer | thanks |
| 16:07.16 | Weiss | the indicator thing is entirely userspace, unless something weird is also going on (which isn't impossible i guess) |
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| 16:15.40 | saracen | buzz fix rework email! |
| 16:17.45 | alphaone | saracen: ? |
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| 16:30.19 | Zorkman | saracen? |
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| 16:35.29 | saracen | handheld-linux.com where I got my freerunner from, I can send it back to them for rework (I have to pay postage and package, but get a free battery too) |
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| 17:00.25 | ST1 | hi all :) |
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| 17:02.06 | ST1 | <ST1> hi everyone :) |
| 17:02.06 | ST1 | <ST1> i'm coming back to see if anyone would have a solution for my little problem ... |
| 17:02.06 | ST1 | <ST1> as i asked yesterday, i'm using a GTA02 phone and use the last version of FSO |
| 17:02.06 | ST1 | <ST1> i created a little program, that request the gsm resource |
| 17:02.06 | ST1 | <ST1> until here , everything's ok :) |
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| 17:02.07 | ST1 | <ST1> but when i want to submit my pin code , an error raise |
| 17:02.09 | ST1 | <ST1> it says : SIM FAILURE... |
| 17:02.13 | ST1 | <ST1> i know that it doesn't come from the gsm modem or anything else since, it works well with SHR |
| 17:02.15 | ST1 | <ST1> (although since i upgrade to MOKO11 i have no sound anymore when i'm making a call... let's see that later) |
| 17:02.18 | ST1 | <ST1> so ,if someone know what i missed in order to be able to use my sim card normally, i would be very happy ! :) thanks ! |
| 17:04.01 | ST1 | hi speedevill |
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| 17:04.53 | SpeedEvil1 | hi. |
| 17:05.01 | SpeedEvil1 | stabs non-persistant networks. |
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| 17:14.29 | panicking | alphaone, are you there |
| 17:14.29 | panicking | ? |
| 17:14.57 | alphaone | panicking: yes |
| 17:15.10 | alphaone | panicking: Sorry, I didn't send the email yet :-( |
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| 17:15.50 | panicking | I sent for you |
| 17:16.04 | panicking | by the way |
| 17:16.13 | panicking | I have some issue with the accerometer |
| 17:16.22 | panicking | They are design to cunsume cputime? |
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| 17:16.41 | alphaone | thanks |
| 17:16.46 | panicking | alphaone, I don't know why the interrupt are disabled during the transfer |
| 17:16.51 | panicking | I create an android driver |
| 17:17.11 | panicking | for use them and I understand that it has only two sample_rate |
| 17:17.16 | panicking | 100ms and 400ms |
| 17:17.20 | alphaone | Hmm, I think that was some strange stuff wrt timing and bitbanging the communication |
| 17:17.45 | panicking | So why not bitbang on a schedule_work |
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| 17:17.59 | panicking | and force a transaction on an interupt |
| 17:18.07 | alphaone | Andy had problems with timing for the data |
| 17:18.13 | alphaone | Was really important iirc |
| 17:18.19 | alphaone | werner might know more |
| 17:18.33 | panicking | is werner here? |
| 17:18.55 | alphaone | no, but in -cdelvel |
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| 17:27.49 | panicking | alphaone, I must go, well I take a look at the history of the driver maybe I find somenthing. |
| 17:28.23 | panicking | alphaone, I have some new version of android on the freeunner :) |
| 17:28.48 | alphaone | heh, okay |
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| 17:29.09 | alphaone | Well, I personally am interested in GNU/Linux and not Android/Linux |
| 17:29.23 | alphaone | But I guess choice is good |
| 17:29.26 | jonkristian | anybody else getting Unknown boot option 'g_ether.host_addr=XX:XX:XX' i get around three lines when booting, using Qi, everything works, i am just curious:) |
| 17:29.30 | panicking | alphaone, I include accelerometer and now I want to write somenthing for the graphics |
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| 17:30.34 | alphaone | panicking: Okay, have fun :-) |
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| 17:35.18 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5045 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/fa2012.lib gta02-core.pro): Add lowpass filter FA2012 |
| 17:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | panicking: Are you talking about gmeter interrupts (/G1_INT)? I don't think we need these to transfer data from/to gmeters. Gmeters are interfaced via standard SPI |
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| 17:59.33 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5047 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (components/dct123.lib gta02-core.pro): Add transistor with resistors DCT123 (DCT123JETL) |
| 18:02.01 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5048 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (dct123.lib dtc123.lib): Fix DTC123 name (was DCT123) |
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| 18:07.43 | ST1 | Does someone can check that ? |
| 18:07.50 | ST1 | it's part of fso log ... |
| 18:08.05 | ST1 | if someone can explain me why i get an error 13 : AT+CLCK |
| 18:08.13 | ST1 | http://pastebin.com/d66d06784 |
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| 18:08.53 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03alvieboy * r5049 10/trunk/gta02-core/gta02-core.pro: Fix DTC123 name (was DCT123) |
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| 18:16.35 | ST1 | my sourcecode : http://pastebin.com/d59bbe1f6 |
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| 18:17.17 | Bert_2 | Hi, I can't seem to install pythm anymore on the latest shr-unstable image, although it's in the repo apparently |
| 18:17.18 | Bert_2 | help ? |
| 18:19.06 | Bert_2 | I'm starting to have the feeling it wasn't in Packages.gz |
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| 18:22.02 | ST1 | Nobody to help me neither ? |
| 18:23.23 | Bert_2 | ST1: what's your problem ? |
| 18:23.27 | Bert_2 | perhaps I can help |
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| 18:24.05 | skamster | hello peobles.. does someone know, if there is a fso-fake for the normal computer? |
| 18:24.17 | skamster | to test all the things with a good ide? |
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| 18:24.39 | Bert_2 | there's some info about QEMU on the openmoko.org wiki |
| 18:24.49 | Bert_2 | I guess you can run FSO on the qemu stuff |
| 18:24.51 | Bert_2 | but I'm not sure |
| 18:24.54 | ST1 | Bert_2: When i ask if the sim needs a simcode, it crashed with a SIM Failure error :( |
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| 18:25.12 | ST1 | Bert_2: http://pastebin.com/d66d06784 |
| 18:25.20 | skamster | mmh, but qemu is a "virtual-maschine", not? |
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| 18:25.39 | skamster | i used it on the desktop-pc to develop without a shell.. |
| 18:26.05 | skamster | i want to use eclipse or something like |
| 18:26.40 | Bert_2 | skamster: most stuff is made for the openmoko HW specifically and can't really be run on a normal PC |
| 18:26.54 | Bert_2 | you could chroot into an environment of course |
| 18:27.27 | skamster | yeah, i also think so.. but i asked me, if there is a dbus-faker with the same paths as fso |
| 18:27.32 | Bert_2 | ST1: on what distro is your phone running |
| 18:27.33 | skamster | and some fake-sms |
| 18:27.38 | skamster | as example |
| 18:27.46 | Bert_2 | skamster: don't now of any, sorry |
| 18:27.49 | Bert_2 | *know |
| 18:27.50 | skamster | and dbus is everywhere the samething ;) |
| 18:27.58 | skamster | *same thing |
| 18:28.05 | Bert_2 | well, not exactly |
| 18:28.21 | Bert_2 | android and QTextended don't use FSO dbus stuff |
| 18:28.25 | skamster | mmh, mostly.. |
| 18:28.36 | Bert_2 | and I'm not sure what debian and FYP are using |
| 18:28.38 | skamster | yeah, right.. but that's not the problem of dbus.. |
| 18:28.43 | Bert_2 | k |
| 18:28.56 | ST1 | Bert_2: FSO m5.1 |
| 18:29.13 | Bert_2 | ST1: and this is the debug of a normal boot |
| 18:29.24 | skamster | without fso, there aren't just the paths of fso, but dbus works like on the desktop-pcs.. or am i wrong? |
| 18:29.27 | Bert_2 | so your GSM stuff crashes when SIM request wants to come up |
| 18:29.58 | ST1 | yes it's that |
| 18:30.06 | Bert_2 | skamster: I'm not sure, I guess you'd better ask this kind of stuff to lindi- he probably knows or one of his contacts do |
| 18:30.21 | Bert_2 | (but he's not active ATM, perhaps in a few min/hours) |
| 18:30.46 | Bert_2 | ST1: I'd suggest you check whether there isn't a bug open somewhere, and make sure you have updated |
| 18:31.24 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * r0bfe960c2ddb 10alsa-scenario/ (.gitignore autogen.sh): build system: more sanitizing |
| 18:31.28 | ST1 | Bert_2 : But, SHR is also using FSO or am i wrong ? |
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| 18:31.49 | Bert_2 | ST1: yes, they're using FSO, but there are quite specific differences |
| 18:32.00 | Bert_2 | ST1: and I personally favor SHR |
| 18:32.12 | Bert_2 | and for the ease of use I removed my SIM PIN |
| 18:32.53 | ST1 | Bert_2 : that what i thought to do at last... |
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| 18:33.46 | Bert_2 | well, it's easy, I don't need a PIN, I never knew I could remove it |
| 18:33.57 | Bert_2 | the easiest way to remove your pin is with QTExtended |
| 18:34.02 | Bert_2 | there's info on the openmoko wiki |
| 18:34.07 | Bert_2 | I just put it on an SD card |
| 18:34.12 | Bert_2 | removed my SIM |
| 18:34.19 | Bert_2 | and went on using FSO at first and later on SHR |
| 18:34.23 | Bert_2 | (I love SHR) |
| 18:35.25 | ST1 | You removed your sim card entirely ? |
| 18:35.52 | ST1 | or just the sim code ? |
| 18:36.03 | Bert_2 | no, the SIM PIN code |
| 18:36.10 | ST1 | right :) |
| 18:36.12 | Bert_2 | you still need the pin to call of course |
| 18:36.20 | Bert_2 | bur you never have to enter a pin code |
| 18:36.22 | Bert_2 | which saves time |
| 18:36.25 | Bert_2 | and debugging :p |
| 18:36.30 | ST1 | yes lol |
| 18:36.40 | ST1 | what i was thinking , is why do we need a sim card ? |
| 18:36.50 | ST1 | i mean, it's just to send a kind of authenticate code |
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| 18:36.55 | ST1 | to our provider right ? |
| 18:36.58 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:37.10 | Bert_2 | the SIM card contains details (numbers, ids) to connect to the GSM network |
| 18:37.12 | SpeedEvil | and more importantly, it's so your provider can prove who you are |
| 18:37.21 | SpeedEvil | you can't fake or copy the SIM card |
| 18:37.32 | SpeedEvil | this is important otherwise bad stuff can happen |
| 18:37.33 | Bert_2 | SpeedEvil: well, you can but it's not useful |
| 18:37.48 | ST1 | so if we save these information in an sdcard and use it without a sim card ? |
| 18:37.49 | Bert_2 | and it also stores phone numbers and text messages |
| 18:38.00 | SpeedEvil | you can't copy a SIM card in a manner where it will connect to the network |
| 18:38.03 | Bert_2 | ST1: nope, you will always need a SIM |
| 18:38.09 | SpeedEvil | ST1: the SIM contains information you can't get at |
| 18:38.17 | Bert_2 | You can copy it but it will not be useful |
| 18:38.19 | SpeedEvil | ST1: secret numbers, and a crypto processor |
| 18:38.26 | ST1 | ST1: Oh... ok i didn't know |
| 18:38.39 | ST1 | shit |
| 18:38.40 | ST1 | lol |
| 18:38.51 | ST1 | SpeedEvil: Oh.... ok i didn't know |
| 18:39.22 | SpeedEvil | The phone company sends a string - which varies every time - the SIM encrypts that with the secret it holds, and sends it back to the company. |
| 18:40.05 | SpeedEvil | this proves both that it's you, and allows it to look up what your number should be, based on your secret |
| 18:40.27 | Bert_2 | like most online banking things do |
| 18:40.42 | ST1 | thanks !! |
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| 18:41.06 | ST1 | and what about the sms things ... is it the provider that add our telephone number inside , or the phone itself ? |
| 18:41.42 | SpeedEvil | SMS is a hack |
| 18:41.51 | SpeedEvil | it's basically globbed on usiing spare capacity |
| 18:41.56 | SpeedEvil | it's not even encrypted |
| 18:42.20 | Bert_2 | yeah, SMS is also transmitted over the GSM call control signal (originally) |
| 18:42.57 | SpeedEvil | originally? |
| 18:43.05 | SpeedEvil | you mean it's changed? |
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| 18:45.06 | Bert_2 | SpeedEvil: I'm not sure |
| 18:45.18 | Bert_2 | do they still do it on the control signal |
| 18:45.29 | Bert_2 | I guessed they would have changed it because it would get overcrowded |
| 18:46.12 | trigger_ | I can't find a repository for Om 2008.12 an the wiki, is there one? |
| 18:50.35 | slaxxer | use bytestores modified 2008.12 |
| 18:50.45 | slaxxer | bytestore |
| 18:51.12 | ST1 | SpeedEvil : but who add the telephone number that we retrieve when we receive an sms ? |
| 18:51.30 | SpeedEvil | you mean the sender number? |
| 18:51.35 | ST1 | In another way : is it possible to transmit a false number in an sms ? |
| 18:51.36 | ST1 | :D |
| 18:51.37 | ST1 | yes |
| 18:51.51 | SpeedEvil | the sending phone company sends the number of the phone along with the SMS |
| 18:52.11 | SpeedEvil | it's then passed along assorted networks, till it comes out of your local phone tower addressed to your phone |
| 18:52.17 | trigger_ | slaxxer: thanks |
| 18:53.21 | slaxxer | cant seem to locate it |
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| 18:53.59 | ST1 | SpeedEvil : Shit can't hack it so .. :p |
| 18:54.56 | trigger_ | slaxxer: me neither |
| 18:55.09 | trigger_ | is 2008.8 more stable? |
| 18:55.30 | slaxxer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_29th,_2008 |
| 18:55.41 | slaxxer | shr is the stuff |
| 18:56.31 | slaxxer | at the bottom of the distributions paragraph on that page |
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| 18:57.56 | slaxxer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/January_12th,_2009 |
| 18:57.59 | slaxxer | thewre |
| 18:58.04 | slaxxer | -w |
| 18:58.50 | slaxxer | bottom of the "Distributions |
| 18:58.56 | slaxxer | " |
| 19:00.04 | trigger_ | everything is in russian, I'm confused :/= |
| 19:00.26 | slaxxer | no |
| 19:01.09 | slaxxer | that image has some russian phone #'s on also by default |
| 19:01.59 | slaxxer | it has a russian and english keyboard and the keyboard is black with white letters:)) |
| 19:02.18 | slaxxer | that is easier on the eyes |
| 19:02.41 | slaxxer | one on my favorite images |
| 19:03.05 | slaxxer | shr -unstable is what i would use though |
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| 19:04.02 | slaxxer | also it worked an was loaded with software ,, some of which didnt work |
| 19:04.08 | trigger_ | I just got my freerunner and just want something to get me started |
| 19:04.22 | slaxxer | whats on it now |
| 19:04.54 | trigger_ | Om 2008.12 |
| 19:06.40 | slaxxer | did u flash that on there/ have u flashed any images? |
| 19:06.56 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * r0c6c8644ca0c 10alsa-scenario/ (.gitignore configure.ac configure.in): yet more build system cleaning |
| 19:07.13 | trigger_ | yes, just did so |
| 19:07.48 | slaxxer | u may want to put shr on |
| 19:07.49 | DocScrutinizer | trigger_: try people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr-testing |
| 19:08.11 | slaxxer | 04162009 is the one |
| 19:08.26 | DocScrutinizer | that's it |
| 19:09.04 | DocScrutinizer | kinda "just works" |
| 19:09.24 | slaxxer | but the latest unstable is good also |
| 19:09.24 | |if3_ | ERM |
| 19:09.26 | |if3_ | oops caps |
| 19:10.01 | |if3_ | i don't have wifi here, how can i get some libs from the repos? is there a seperate repo for the base software? |
| 19:11.00 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * r54fde6a87053 10alsa-scenario/configure.ac: fix AC_INIT |
| 19:13.08 | trigger_ | DocScrutinizer: thanks :) |
| 19:14.51 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rf160907c9d12 10/libfsoframework/ (fsoframework/fsoframework-2.0.vapi vapi/libascenario.vapi): fsoframework: libascenario: add [NoArrayLength] to list() |
| 19:15.35 | |if3 | p.s. I wrote a dope script for nix to set up usb networking, anyone want the source? |
| 19:15.42 | |if3 | states that it's just bash scripts :P |
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| 19:17.55 | |if3 | also, call me a tool, but what WM does the neo run? something would be nice so that I can figure out how to configure it's appearance (y) |
| 19:19.07 | SpeedEvil | depends on distro |
| 19:19.15 | SpeedEvil | I've used fvwm95 on it. |
| 19:19.19 | SpeedEvil | (though remotely) |
| 19:19.29 | |if3 | SpeedEvil, what distro would you recommend to use? |
| 19:19.34 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 19:19.38 | SpeedEvil | shr is popular |
| 19:19.47 | |if3 | I still would like to have txting / calling ability :P |
| 19:21.11 | |if3 | excuse my ignorance btw lol. im new to mobile devices :o |
| 19:21.46 | |if3 | :o |
| 19:21.48 | |if3 | im liking shr |
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| 19:22.42 | slaxxer | some of the others are faster |
| 19:23.33 | slaxxer | neovento was cool an fast except it was very-too large |
| 19:23.45 | |if3 | lol wow |
| 19:24.12 | slaxxer | fso-paroli is fast to |
| 19:24.14 | |if3 | OH, here's a question that I have wanted to ask: How do i find out what image I have on my freerunner? I assume /proc is of no use? |
| 19:26.12 | slaxxer | which one did u install? |
| 19:26.49 | slaxxer | shr i guess loloolo lo l o o l o ol loololo |
| 19:27.11 | slaxxer | |if3> :o |
| 19:27.11 | slaxxer | <|if3> im liking shr |
| 19:27.58 | |if3 | naw |
| 19:28.01 | |if3 | im on the wiki |
| 19:28.08 | |if3 | im just using the barebones atm |
| 19:28.23 | slaxxer | 200905231429 |
| 19:28.34 | slaxxer | /etc/version |
| 19:28.45 | |if3 | and for what ever reason, my FR isn't connecting to my wifi *even when im sitting next to the AP* |
| 19:28.46 | slaxxer | the time even |
| 19:28.57 | slaxxer | did ya reboot |
| 19:29.20 | |if3 | hrm? |
| 19:29.40 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey * rb9a240f31216 10alsa-scenario/libascenario.pc.in: |
| 19:29.40 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: .pc file: add -lasound; FIXME: Should gather this at configure time, since |
| 19:29.40 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: we can also link to libsalsa |
| 19:29.44 | slaxxer | have u rebooted atleast 1 time since u installed? |
| 19:29.59 | slaxxer | a must do |
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| 19:30.39 | |if3 | i haven't installed anything bud |
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| 19:31.21 | |if3 | I tried installing vala-terminal, but I was missing some libs, which I couldn't get from the repo's *wifi not working, and there wasn't shit in the ftp/http repos* |
| 19:31.30 | slaxxer | so it came with shr bud |
| 19:31.45 | |if3 | lol, not that I know of |
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| 19:31.48 | |if3 | just 'neoos' |
| 19:31.54 | slaxxer | so whats on it? |
| 19:32.16 | |if3 | just the barebones |
| 19:32.16 | badcloud | anyone know how to skip to a contact by selecting a letter from the keyboard (i.e. typing 'd' and getting to 'Daniel') in shr? |
| 19:32.35 | |if3 | black background, 5 icons. |
| 19:33.04 | slaxxer | do u see a dark shoreline on the desktop background? |
| 19:33.18 | |if3 | nope |
| 19:33.23 | |if3 | no wallpaper |
| 19:33.56 | |if3 | slaxxer, http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/0/04/Homescreen.jpg |
| 19:34.32 | slaxxer | if i were u i would download shr an install it |
| 19:34.46 | |if3 | im just reading the wiki |
| 19:34.46 | badcloud | no one know what I'm talking about? |
| 19:34.48 | |if3 | shr looks hot |
| 19:35.11 | slaxxer | so do these commands |
| 19:35.58 | |if3 | slaxxer, pm? |
| 19:36.12 | slaxxer | dfu-util -a kernel -R -D whateverfilesystemudownload |
| 19:36.34 | DocScrutinizer | badcloud: missing feature |
| 19:36.52 | badcloud | has a request been made? |
| 19:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 19:37.02 | slaxxer | for the .bin kernel |
| 19:37.09 | badcloud | I'll add it |
| 19:37.18 | badcloud | later |
| 19:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | |if3: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr-testing/ |
| 19:38.19 | |if3 | tyvm |
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| 19:41.25 | |if3 | im just installing neotool |
| 19:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D ~/Documents/OpenMoko/images/shr_testing/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090416-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 19:42.42 | DocScrutinizer | dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ~/Documents/OpenMoko/images/shr_testing/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 19:43.24 | |if3 | ty |
| 19:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | |if3: actually using neotool is more stress in the beginning than using plain dfu-util |
| 19:44.05 | |if3 | lol alright, I'll take your word |
| 19:44.41 | |if3 | let me install dfu-util |
| 19:46.01 | |if3 | thanks man btw |
| 19:46.24 | |if3 | DocScrutinizer, are those the only two things I need to do to get SHR on my freerunner? error free? |
| 19:46.38 | |if3 | do I need to mess with filesystems or config files? |
| 19:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 19:46.56 | DocScrutinizer | easy, isn't it? ;-) |
| 19:47.03 | |if3 | sadly :o |
| 19:47.25 | |if3 | I need to go get a bigger sdhc card |
| 19:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | bb |
| 19:47.31 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 19:47.31 | |if3 | only came with a 512 |
| 19:47.35 | |if3 | DocScrutinizer, props |
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| 19:57.13 | trigger_ | I got one big and one small SD-card with my freerunner, but i can't find a place for the big one xD |
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| 19:58.10 | |if3 | lmao |
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| 20:03.06 | trigger_ | the sim cards are not in the Getting started faq either, weird :/ |
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| 20:03.59 | Weiss | trigger_: you mean one small one and a small->big adaptor? |
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| 20:04.23 | Weiss | you put the small one in the adaptor, then put the whole package in a standard SD card reader like e.g. the one on my laptop |
| 20:05.01 | trigger_ | oh god, I feel so stupid xD |
| 20:05.08 | trigger_ | didn't realise ^^ |
| 20:05.48 | spaetz | hehe |
| 20:05.49 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:06.34 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rb158eca1bc69 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/alsa_audio/plugin.vala: fsodevice: alsa_audio: honor loop parameter in sound playback |
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| 20:18.46 | |if3 | DocScrutinizer, you there? |
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| 20:31.11 | slaxxer | u flashed shr yet? |
| 20:33.11 | slaxxer | ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D filetoflash for me |
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| 20:41.08 | |if3 | slaxxer, im just flashing the rootfs |
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| 20:41.30 | slaxxer | already did the kernel? |
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| 20:41.57 | |if3 | nope |
| 20:42.06 | slaxxer | i guess u know to reboot after the first install// |
| 20:42.06 | |if3 | doing the rootfs first |
| 20:42.22 | |if3 | i assume using the menu |
| 20:43.03 | |if3 | i really shouldn't be doing this through xorg |
| 20:43.12 | slaxxer | just so usb networking will work |
| 20:43.23 | |if3 | ?? |
| 20:43.54 | slaxxer | what? |
| 20:44.09 | slaxxer | what are u doing through aorg? |
| 20:44.13 | |if3 | just so usb networkign will work? |
| 20:44.16 | slaxxer | x* |
| 20:44.17 | |if3 | flashing rootfs |
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| 20:45.50 | |if3 | xorg bugs out on me sometimes |
| 20:45.59 | slaxxer | well if it works great |
| 20:46.05 | |if3 | (y) |
| 20:46.06 | |if3 | erm |
| 20:46.13 | |if3 | you know what XORG is, eh? |
| 20:46.20 | slaxxer | yup |
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| 20:46.34 | |if3 | kk |
| 20:46.43 | slaxxer | xorg.conf? |
| 20:46.46 | |if3 | im using dfu-util, but through a terminal window in fluxbox |
| 20:47.27 | slaxxer | well im using a terminal window through kde |
| 20:47.45 | slaxxer | konsole |
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| 20:48.11 | slaxxer | on my big fat desktop |
| 20:48.18 | |if3 | lol |
| 20:48.22 | |if3 | (y) |
| 20:48.32 | |if3 | xorg fucks up on me like, once or twice a month |
| 20:48.48 | slaxxer | me to |
| 20:49.02 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.29 | |if3 | it's unfortunate :( |
| 20:49.31 | |if3 | it just locks up |
| 20:49.35 | |if3 | i've tried a bunch of things |
| 20:49.44 | slaxxer | so i take it u use debian? |
| 20:49.52 | |if3 | considered chroot jailing Xorg, but i decided against it |
| 20:49.56 | |if3 | nope, archlinux |
| 20:50.12 | |if3 | i thought that xorg crashing was a debian specific crash, so I switched os's |
| 20:50.20 | |if3 | i like arch a whole fuckload better |
| 20:50.41 | |if3 | twas a wise choice |
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| 20:53.24 | slaxxer | alot like slackware |
| 20:55.38 | |if3 | very much so |
| 20:55.56 | |if3 | I've only used two live versions of slack though |
| 20:56.14 | |if3 | BackTrack and I forgot the other one |
| 20:56.27 | |if3 | oh, slacks * |
| 20:56.36 | |if3 | same with gentoo, never used it except for some live cd version of it |
| 20:56.43 | |if3 | I love arch for my desktop |
| 20:56.46 | |if3 | so fucking fast |
| 20:56.52 | slaxxer | :) |
| 20:57.07 | |if3 | dude, im running a 1.3ghz duron, 384 megs of pc100, and the standards of everything else |
| 20:57.13 | slaxxer | u need to try slack12.2 |
| 20:57.15 | |if3 | and it runs everything amazingly |
| 20:57.29 | |if3 | lmao someones opening my webservers cdrom drive |
| 20:57.36 | |if3 | xsnidalx.host-a.net/webcam.php |
| 20:57.44 | |if3 | http://xsnidalx.host-a.net/webcam.php |
| 20:58.09 | |if3 | lol slaxxer |
| 20:58.13 | |if3 | I see yo ip addy |
| 20:58.14 | |if3 | lol |
| 20:58.35 | |if3 | wait a sec, takes some time for the OS to recognize that it's open |
| 20:58.37 | |if3 | hit it |
| 20:59.37 | |if3 | lol |
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| 21:01.07 | |if3 | lmfao two peeps on my webcam opening thing |
| 21:01.16 | |if3 | SPAM! |
| 21:01.16 | |if3 | lol |
| 21:01.18 | |if3 | check this out |
| 21:01.20 | |if3 | who has vnc> |
| 21:01.20 | trigger_ | it is I! |
| 21:01.22 | |if3 | who has vnc? * |
| 21:01.32 | lindi- | |if3: i do. |
| 21:01.49 | |if3 | lol |
| 21:01.57 | |if3 | connect to lif3l355.dyndns.org |
| 21:02.02 | |if3 | i have a fucking sick layout |
| 21:02.50 | |if3 | slaxxer, k done flashing, how should I reboot this bitch? |
| 21:03.33 | |if3 | lol someone with a mac is opening my cdrom drive |
| 21:03.48 | |if3 | now a german with nix :o |
| 21:03.50 | |if3 | oh noes |
| 21:03.52 | slaxxer | werent u using the nor or nand menu? |
| 21:03.57 | |if3 | yes |
| 21:03.59 | |if3 | nor |
| 21:04.13 | slaxxer | is the screen black? |
| 21:04.13 | |if3 | it went into suspend. lol |
| 21:04.18 | |if3 | yeah |
| 21:04.29 | |if3 | slaxxer, it was the nor menu |
| 21:04.41 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.48 | |if3 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Menu15.jpg |
| 21:05.06 | |if3 | powering upppp |
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| 21:05.12 | |if3 | hopes for no kernel panic! |
| 21:05.21 | |if3 | archlinux fucked me over a few times lmao |
| 21:05.24 | slaxxer | did u flash the kernel? |
| 21:05.32 | |if3 | i installed via cd, then tried to upgrade |
| 21:05.34 | |if3 | slaxxer, yep |
| 21:06.03 | slaxxer | only thing left is uboot |
| 21:06.12 | |if3 | says uboot is fine |
| 21:06.19 | |if3 | I rather not flash the bootloader |
| 21:06.21 | |if3 | :o |
| 21:06.22 | slaxxer | u may or may not need |
| 21:06.39 | |if3 | what's the difference between uboot and qi? |
| 21:06.56 | slaxxer | uboot works with suspend |
| 21:07.14 | slaxxer | no nand menu with qi |
| 21:07.32 | |if3 | why wouldn't qi have the nand menu? |
| 21:07.39 | |if3 | so qi just boots into nor? :o |
| 21:07.40 | slaxxer | what for? |
| 21:08.00 | slaxxer | no |
| 21:08.12 | slaxxer | qi boots to kernel |
| 21:08.25 | |if3 | what's the difference between qi and uboot though? |
| 21:08.27 | |if3 | haha |
| 21:08.30 | |if3 | I love enlightenment |
| 21:08.31 | |if3 | sorta :O |
| 21:08.33 | |if3 | :P |
| 21:08.42 | slaxxer | be sure to reboot |
| 21:09.20 | |if3 | when? after configuring the 'profile'? |
| 21:09.21 | slaxxer | after the phone signel strength meter works |
| 21:09.36 | |if3 | illume or illume shr? |
| 21:09.38 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.50 | slaxxer | u pick |
| 21:10.12 | |if3 | i don't notice a difference atm |
| 21:10.15 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.21 | |if3 | wikis |
| 21:11.17 | slaxxer | shr had a small black battery indicator where shr has the green battery |
| 21:11.46 | |if3 | kk |
| 21:12.11 | |if3 | htop? |
| 21:12.24 | slaxxer | just skip that menu |
| 21:12.27 | TAsn | slaxxer, same app different theme. |
| 21:12.29 | TAsn | night. |
| 21:12.44 | slaxxer | good an u? |
| 21:15.13 | |if3 | haha so fucking hot |
| 21:15.17 | |if3 | im editing the fucking theme! |
| 21:15.26 | |if3 | woot |
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| 21:16.26 | slaxxer | make a tutorial on changing the theme |
| 21:16.31 | |if3 | lol will do |
| 21:16.44 | |if3 | im sure it's just in ~/.enlightenment or w.e. |
| 21:16.52 | |if3 | im a huge fluxbox fan :o |
| 21:17.01 | |if3 | that would be interesting :| |
| 21:17.15 | |if3 | :D |
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| 21:37.56 | fredrin | what happend @ openmoko today? |
| 21:38.04 | fredrin | ~seen dave |
| 21:38.07 | apt | dave <n=dave@pool-138-89-1-87.mad.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 39d 19h 56m 52s ago, saying: 'hahaa'. |
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| 21:40.17 | |if3 | dudes |
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| 21:42.24 | |if3 | how do i make shr not boot in root? |
| 21:43.50 | mwester | begin by following the instructions to set up a build env. for SHR, then make the necessary modifications to create a user id of your choice, start the correct services under that ID, then troubleshoot and patch all the security and permissions issue that will arise. |
| 21:44.24 | mwester | Of course, an analysis of exactly what additional security would be gained by such a simplistic approach would be good, too. |
| 21:44.31 | fredrin | root is a state of mind |
| 21:44.37 | |if3 | lmao |
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| 21:56.59 | |if3 | mwester, which rc.* dir is the WM shit found in? |
| 21:57.41 | mwester | You're not seriously going to try that, are you? |
| 21:57.55 | |if3 | well idk, help? |
| 21:58.19 | |if3 | I don't have my WM start up automatically, I always log in before starting it on my arch box, could you help? |
| 21:58.51 | mwester | You'll have to search the startup sequence to find the details, but usually the wm startup is rc.5 |
| 21:59.13 | |if3 | mwester, thank you, that's what I wanted to know |
| 21:59.18 | mwester | Before you waste a lot of time, perhaps you should search the SHR mailing list archives, to find the discussions on this topic. |
| 21:59.41 | mwester | There are a lot of reasons why it has not been done yet, and why it is questionable what value you would get from doing it. |
| 21:59.57 | |if3 | okay |
| 22:00.22 | mwester | Not to say it's a bad thing, just that it would require a lot of design work, and redesign of parts of the core code handling the services, which was not written with security in mind. |
| 22:00.30 | |if3 | I much rather not run as root 24/7, as you're probably well aware |
| 22:00.45 | mwester | Sure, on a desktop that's bad. |
| 22:00.51 | mwester | On a phone, though? |
| 22:00.57 | mwester | What's the problem? |
| 22:01.08 | |if3 | im more concerned about my 500$ phone, not my free desktop. lol |
| 22:01.26 | |if3 | mwester, I just don't want to run apps such as midori as root, etc |
| 22:01.36 | mwester | why not? |
| 22:02.03 | mwester | what makes you think any part of the muxer or the telephony stack through which the data will flow will be secure? |
| 22:02.14 | mwester | That's the fundamental problem. |
| 22:02.43 | |if3 | how so? |
| 22:03.00 | SpeedEvil | vpn |
| 22:03.12 | mwester | How so?? Perhaps I mistake your intent. You are concerned about security, no? |
| 22:03.18 | mwester | Or is there some other aspect of this? |
| 22:03.54 | mwester | Why would midori be a concern, if you have not taken care to authenticate or protect other means of gaining access to the device? |
| 22:05.39 | |if3 | mwester, that could be said about everything, regardless of how secure it is. Someone could always get access to the device, I just don't want to happen to run across a webby that can exploit something in the, say, gecko engine |
| 22:06.03 | |if3 | the gecko engine.* |
| 22:06.16 | |if3 | or have the ability to run terminal as root |
| 22:08.25 | |if3 | mwester, understood, thanks :) |
| 22:08.28 | mwester | The device is built with a message-passing framework; messages to control the device and its operation can be sent in many ways. In my opinion, taking over the "gecko engine" is not nearly as concerning as someone finding a way to send a message or a data stream to the device that causes something in the framework to send a message to dial a long-distance call to Hong Kong. |
| 22:09.15 | mwester | Please don't delude yourself that midori is the only gaping security issue on the device! And the problem really is that user id is insufficient to address the framework issues. |
| 22:09.16 | |if3 | lol exactly |
| 22:10.32 | |if3 | mwester, ofcourse midori isn't, every app has potential to be exploited due to vulnerabilities. I much rather 'secure' as many apps as possible (with apps that can be controlled remotely; a priority), in hopes that they're still able to run. |
| 22:11.28 | slaxxer | i noticed slackware on the supported distros list,,, any ideas how to install this? |
| 22:12.43 | |if3 | slaxxer, install what? |
| 22:12.50 | |if3 | ohh, on your freerunner? |
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| 23:39.21 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r5050 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 23:39.21 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Updated compilation, expanded view, and ancillary information files for |
| 23:39.21 | CIA-53 | openmoko: new components. |
