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| 00:25.46 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: your GSM/flashing cleanup efforts are highly appreciated. Just one recommendation: please don't completely delete whole statements (e.g. about the nonexistent diff between GTA01 and GTA02). If it's impossible for me to check correctness of new version, I tend to undo it.So please don't do too much changes at once as well. Thanks. jOERG |
| 00:28.10 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: please notice this is kinda official OM recommendation page. So we need to check all edits, and you need to be aware you have to take a high amount of responsibility for your edits as well |
| 00:29.51 | DocScrutinizer | please be careful and don't force us to lock this wikipage |
| 00:32.06 | DocScrutinizer | if you're not sure about anything, you'e welcome to ask here in IRC |
| 00:33.47 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: oh, okay, understood! |
| 00:34.53 | rhkfin | I guess it's the user/developer/OMemplyee point of view difference |
| 00:37.34 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: you might want to check the latest edits still.. But from now on I'll leave it untouched.. (sorry, just recommended someone on the ML to edit it since it's a wiki.. But it might not be a bad idea to lock pages like that if this is the case..) |
| 00:38.26 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just about to check it ;-) |
| 00:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: most of your changes are welcome |
| 00:39.10 | rhkfin | I think we've now moved some parts back & forth some four times or so :) I had this weird feeling that I must've not saved some my changes but it was you :) |
| 00:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: I just wanted to make clear te issue before you might do a lot of work that gets rejected and feel disapointed then |
| 00:40.48 | DocScrutinizer | the shape it's in at this very moment seems rather reasonable to me. Go ahead with careful work. I know you got the point now |
| 00:42.07 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: I understand. I was thinking from the user point of view - what information is needed for a user to know to flash his firmware. I guess it wouldn't hurt to have a 'Developer information' on a pages like this that's not meant to be read by a 'user' (whatever that means in Freerunner world :) |
| 00:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | if something seems completely wrong to you, it might be a good idea to ask. If something is clearly obsolete, then update carefully. Poor wording may be fixed any time |
| 00:43.04 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: the "user part" is the usd procedure ;) |
| 00:43.24 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: right.. It's a pain with wiki as people only tend to add stuff there, not reorganize/clean/remove.. |
| 00:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | you're welcome to restructure the page by merely moving the uSD to top of page, and headline the manual method by "for the geeks" or sth ;D |
| 00:44.36 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: yes and that was my intention to guide the user there ~as soon as possible, on the other hand the Moko11 caption has some basic description abtou the latest version. |
| 00:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | but please don't do other edits same time, as it makes checking virtually impossible |
| 00:45.04 | rhkfin | Do you know how does the wiki handle the caption name changes or linking to an old caption? |
| 00:45.08 | rhkfin | ok :) |
| 00:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | I'm a wiki noob, sorry :o) |
| 00:45.36 | rhkfin | ok :) |
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| 00:48.34 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: please always keep in mind this page has been scrutinized a lot and there's probably not very much useless info on it (except the obvious obsolete details). I think you will know how to handle it then, and how to edit so I can check and see what's actually been done |
| 00:50.18 | rhkfin | yep, I don't have a need to work on it more (moved the uSD to top) - but it now misses the text about the GSM hardware differences between GTA01 and GTA02, want me to put it back somewhere? |
| 00:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | sure, sounds reasonable |
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| 01:02.54 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: thanks a lot for improving this wikipage :) |
| 01:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | to me it looks a lot better now, and also it really needed some polishing |
| 01:05.20 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: np :) I also shredded the OM2009 page.. I hope it makes it a bit more readable and possibly encourages some new users.. |
| 01:05.43 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
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| 01:15.41 | khiraly1 | re |
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| 03:37.09 | mccoyn | Does anyone know why Multiverse isn't working? |
| 03:37.36 | mccoyn | I keep trying to install software, and the packages can't find dependancies. |
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| 03:50.34 | mccoyn | Whenever I try to run opkg update I get an error that http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Multiverse/Packages.gz failed to download, error 404. Has this be moved somewhere else? |
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| 04:08.17 | slaxxer | WHICH OS U HAVE? |
| 04:08.27 | slaxxer | sorry |
| 04:09.57 | mwester | yanks out slaxxer's keyboard's caps-lock key. :p |
| 04:10.12 | slaxxer | yea |
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| 04:29.15 | slaxxer | libelementary0 this lib is neded for intone?' |
| 04:29.28 | slaxxer | shr unstable |
| 04:34.01 | fale | I was analyzing the situation, and it seems that all three main distro (SHR, Om, QtEI) are based on FSO and that the differences are: SHR: X11 + GTK, Om: X11 + Qt, QtEI: no X11 + Qt |
| 04:34.06 | fale | is this true? |
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| 04:58.10 | dvarnes | fale: it was true earlier last year. Now SHR & OM.2009 are both FSO based with X11 + e (mostly, some GTK in SHR) |
| 04:58.54 | fale | dvarnes: you mean that Om does not rely any more on Qt? |
| 04:59.23 | dvarnes | fale: not for the current (OM.2009) release, no |
| 04:59.30 | fale | :o |
| 05:00.27 | fale | dvarnes: than what's the difference between SHR and Om? I mean, why they don't merge/share big chunks of code? |
| 05:00.50 | dvarnes | fale: they do |
| 05:01.07 | dvarnes | fale: but they also have quite different objectives |
| 05:01.37 | fale | oh, ok... than, tecnically speaking, there are mainly two distro: QtEI and SHR+Om... that's interesting |
| 05:01.56 | slaxxer | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/ |
| 05:02.38 | dvarnes | fale: SHR = {community driven, full smartphone distro}; Om.2009 = {phone that just works} |
| 05:03.11 | dvarnes | fale: there are others .. debian, hackable1 .. more |
| 05:03.13 | fale | tryed SHR ~2 days ago and had enormous trouble with SMS and Calls |
| 05:03.18 | slaxxer | i had a lud bzz with paroli latest |
| 05:03.35 | slaxxer | neovento is next |
| 05:09.22 | slaxxer | latest shr-unstable makes calls |
| 05:09.36 | slaxxer | with the letest.bin |
| 05:10.00 | slaxxer | installed a few apps an they worked |
| 05:10.24 | slaxxer | an phone log worked this time |
| 05:11.18 | slaxxer | neovento is a little big |
| 05:11.41 | slaxxer | a lot big |
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| 08:14.41 | badcloud | just saw Sean Moss-Pultz: Open for Opportunities on youtube |
| 08:14.51 | badcloud | what an amazing mind |
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| 11:24.00 | Marcello9001 | hi |
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| 11:28.04 | Marcello9001 | hi |
| 11:28.28 | Marcello9001 | I have a problem to transfer files from FR to PC |
| 11:29.06 | Marcello9001 | if transfer files fron PC --> FR all works ok but not the reverse |
| 11:29.44 | lindi- | Marcello9001: what command did you run? |
| 11:29.45 | Marcello9001 | the FR sai conection refused when I try to send a file to the PC |
| 11:30.01 | Marcello9001 | mkfs.jffs2 -d /var/volatile/tmp/rootfs -e 128 --pad --no-cleanmarkers -x lzo | ssh root@192.168.0.200 'cat > rootfs.jffs2' |
| 11:30.14 | jonkristian | Marcello9001: yeah, you need to run sshd |
| 11:30.20 | jonkristian | on your puter |
| 11:30.27 | Marcello9001 | the same with ssh root@192.168.0.200 |
| 11:30.41 | Marcello9001 | from FR ---> PC |
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| 11:31.16 | Marcello9001 | I need make a backup of files from FR ---> PC |
| 11:31.40 | dns53 | tar and ssh |
| 11:31.45 | Marcello9001 | oh! sshd ? |
| 11:31.55 | lindi- | Marcello9001: you can't "ssh foo" unless "foo" runs sshd |
| 11:32.10 | dns53 | no you pipe tar -zcf - |ssh something let me check |
| 11:32.46 | Marcello9001 | the ping from fr to pc works well |
| 11:32.57 | dns53 | i think it was something like: tar -zcvf|ssh user@host "cat > filename.tar.gz" |
| 11:34.14 | dns53 | so basically get tar to pipe your whole file system to the input of ssh, then get a cat command on the remote server to pump that into a file |
| 11:34.15 | SpeedEvil | ssh freerunner tar -czpf - / |tar -xzvf - |
| 11:34.23 | SpeedEvil | from host |
| 11:34.52 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: I find rsync the easiest way |
| 11:35.08 | Marcello9001 | so .. I need transfer .... rootfs.jffs2 |
| 11:35.22 | SpeedEvil | rsync is good too |
| 11:35.37 | dns53 | look at what neotool does |
| 11:35.49 | lindi- | dns53: i think it requires downtime |
| 11:35.54 | lindi- | dns53: right? |
| 11:36.11 | dns53 | no neotool uses ssh to pipe to a file on your computer |
| 11:36.41 | dns53 | backing up your kernel requrires downtime but you can probably just download that yourself |
| 11:36.50 | lindi- | dns53: why does it require downtime? |
| 11:37.35 | dns53 | not for createing a jffs or tar backup of your root, only backing up your kernel i believe |
| 11:38.19 | lindi- | dns53: any idea why it uses mkfs.jffs2? |
| 11:38.28 | lindi- | dns53: why not just cat /dev/mtdblock6? |
| 11:38.39 | dns53 | because it can |
| 11:38.42 | dns53 | i have no idea |
| 11:40.23 | dns53 | oh yeah, you can't image a running file system unless you do something like lvm snapshots |
| 11:41.10 | dns53 | you will be reading stuff from the middle while stuff is being modified at the start and end so you may only get part of a file |
| 11:41.42 | SpeedEvil | passes dns53 a sticker bearing the words 'Massive filesystem corruption'. |
| 11:41.58 | dns53 | basically |
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| 13:59.20 | Bish | is there any image with working wlan/wpasupport? |
| 13:59.40 | PaulFertser | Bish: yes, both OM2009 and SHR. |
| 13:59.56 | Bish | with wpa? great |
| 14:00.02 | Bish | what is 2009 exactly? |
| 14:00.17 | PaulFertser | Bish: FSO + Paroli |
| 14:00.22 | Bish | sounds great |
| 14:00.24 | Bish | what is paroli? |
| 14:00.31 | PaulFertser | Bish: read the wiki ;) |
| 14:00.47 | Bish | i stopped when openmoko inc stopped existing |
| 14:01.33 | PaulFertser | Bish: it didn't |
| 14:01.33 | Bish | well but .. ? |
| 14:01.33 | Bish | Openmoko puts further phone models on ice, |
| 14:02.30 | Bish | i was so freaking sad about that -_- |
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| 14:10.25 | Bish | PaulFertser: which one would u suggest? |
| 14:13.45 | PaulFertser | Bish: well, it looks like you're "end-user" so OM2009. |
| 14:16.37 | Bish | nope im not a end user |
| 14:17.00 | Bish | i will see 4 myself |
| 14:17.12 | PaulFertser | Bish: arne anka? |
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| 14:18.57 | Bish | no |
| 14:19.08 | Bish | this name is not nazi enough |
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| 14:30.00 | vininim | wurp2: updated and upgraded shr-unstable here, no visible problems so far |
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| 14:37.44 | jpwdsm | when booting Om2009, I'm getting messages that say "in: /var/{log,tmp,run,cache,lock}: no space left on device" then errors about failing to set owner or mode on those directories or subdirectories |
| 14:37.57 | jpwdsm | then it just sits at a log in prompt |
| 14:40.54 | jpwdsm | any clues what this is about and/or how to get past it? |
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| 14:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | jpwdsm: clean up and free some space on your "disk"? |
| 14:58.16 | DocScrutinizer | jpwdsm: 'df -h'; 'du -h /' |
| 14:58.55 | jpwdsm | DocScrutinizer: I can't SSH to it; when I plug in USB, nothing happens on the phone and dmesg shows nothing about connecting a USB device |
| 14:59.05 | jpwdsm | let me try booting without my SD card though |
| 15:00.17 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * rc76734979b32 10/po/Makefile.in.in: |
| 15:00.17 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Fix intl files |
| 15:00.17 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
| 15:00.35 | DocScrutinizer | sighs and curses this "we don't need users, as we're root" idiot policy |
| 15:00.43 | badcloud | jpwdsm, what did you do with your device beforehand? |
| 15:01.06 | jpwdsm | badcloud: I was using Android, which had some bugs, so I was flashing it back to Om2009 |
| 15:01.30 | badcloud | so you just finished flashing the image? |
| 15:01.36 | jpwdsm | the newest betas gave me these errors, so I flashed with some old betas I had that I knew worked |
| 15:01.40 | DocScrutinizer | reserving 5% of disk blocks for root doesn't help much, when it's root who's spamming on the device :-((( |
| 15:01.44 | jpwdsm | which still threw these |
| 15:01.58 | vininim | jpwdsm: try reflasing qi |
| 15:02.07 | jpwdsm | vininim: ok |
| 15:02.08 | vininim | worked for me |
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| 15:05.27 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * r1125aa2ee5e5 10/COPYING: |
| 15:05.27 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Fix licence |
| 15:05.27 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
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| 15:10.02 | jpwdsm | huzzah, it booted |
| 15:10.20 | jpwdsm | thanks for the help vininim DocScrutinizer and badcloud |
| 15:10.33 | badcloud | great |
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| 15:10.47 | badcloud | I also thought qi would help |
| 15:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | jpwdsm: welcome. though I only ranted |
| 15:11.06 | badcloud | that's true, Doc did most of the yappin |
| 15:11.15 | badcloud | ;) |
| 15:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | what's the nature of this issue then? |
| 15:11.44 | DocScrutinizer | uBoot mounting readonly? |
| 15:11.59 | DocScrutinizer | or old Qi doing this? |
| 15:12.52 | DocScrutinizer | seems strange to me. New Qi flashing might rarely create more space on disk |
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| 15:15.49 | badcloud | I broke my u-boot a while back without realizing what did it |
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| 15:17.37 | DocScrutinizer | fine, but all this "missing space on disk" errors are from kernel using his own fs-driver. I simply don't get it how bootloader might create this class of errors |
| 15:18.13 | johnsu01 | hm, what am I doing wrong, flashing kernel with dfu-util -a kernel, but trying to boot it keeps saying it can't find the kernel image |
| 15:18.29 | johnsu01 | trying the kernels from http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download/ |
| 15:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, kicks-ass then ;-) |
| 15:19.20 | johnsu01 | :) |
| 15:19.30 | johnsu01 | the file shows ups as a uImage-v14.bin: u-boot/PPCBoot image |
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| 15:19.49 | dns53 | is the kernel 2mb or bigger? |
| 15:19.59 | johnsu01 | it's 2MB |
| 15:20.14 | johnsu01 | 2.1 actually, yeah |
| 15:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | PPCBoot ? o.O |
| 15:20.40 | dns53 | you may need to install qi or modify your uboot to allow for bigger images |
| 15:20.48 | johnsu01 | I've updated u-boot with -a u-boot |
| 15:21.28 | DocScrutinizer | johnsu01: seems for uBoot U need to fix env |
| 15:21.40 | DocScrutinizer | update isn't enough |
| 15:21.41 | dns53 | updated the config, the default only allows for smaller kernels |
| 15:22.05 | vininim | koolu's qi possible do something related to yaml and badblocks |
| 15:22.28 | DocScrutinizer | what?? |
| 15:22.40 | vininim | yafs |
| 15:23.13 | vininim | uh.. yaffs. |
| 15:27.10 | johnsu01 | well, qi finds the kernel I guess but is just stuck in a boot loop |
| 15:27.17 | johnsu01 | keeps rebooting |
| 15:28.00 | badcloud | how do I change color depth in illume? |
| 15:28.09 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03dos 07framework * r8af8ff0b212b 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: remove unnecesary variable |
| 15:28.09 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03dos 07framework * r52deccf9bcbf 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: Messages: implement merging Messages from different backends and duplicates |
| 15:28.26 | vininim | johnsu01: depending on the android image your only hope is using a sdcard method |
| 15:28.43 | vininim | *for instalation |
| 15:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | duh,#@android%§¥ |
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| 15:32.59 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs. "android - wtf is android?!" |
| 15:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | maybe tamiflu might cure android. We should start a research project |
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| 15:36.24 | badcloud | tamiflu? |
| 15:36.58 | badcloud | who's Tami and why does she have the flu? |
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| 15:38.12 | Bish | Trying to associate with 00:30:f1:d1:93:a0 (SSID='WLAN' freq=2462 MHz) |
| 15:38.13 | Bish | Authentication with 00:30:f1:d1:93:a0 timed out. |
| 15:38.17 | Bish | does wpa still not work 4 shr image? |
| 15:40.03 | Bish | PaulFertser: |
| 15:41.26 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, probably PaulFertser should earn a title of "OM-ex-employee h.c." |
| 15:41.58 | Bish | i asked if some image support wpa -_- but still there's none |
| 15:42.03 | Bish | Trying to associate with 00:30:f1:d1:93:a0 (SSID='WLAN' freq=2462 MHz) |
| 15:42.04 | Bish | Authentication with 00:30:f1:d1:93:a0 timed out. |
| 15:42.06 | Bish | i hate thsi |
| 15:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | Bish: in a bitching mood? ;-) |
| 15:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | btw you seem to repeat yourself |
| 15:43.41 | Bish | .. yeah im sick of this |
| 15:43.53 | badcloud | breathe, man |
| 15:43.54 | Bish | im waiting for a image that supports wpa, i mean it already worked |
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| 15:44.30 | badcloud | you'll reach a point where your device will do what you want it to do |
| 15:44.37 | badcloud | or at least most of what you want |
| 15:44.51 | badcloud | we've all been through numerous images, bugs, etc |
| 15:44.54 | DocScrutinizer | not by bitchin |
| 15:45.02 | badcloud | also true |
| 15:45.14 | Bish | but this did work in the first place |
| 15:45.16 | badcloud | research, post bugs |
| 15:45.23 | Bish | and since ~1000 updates wpa stoped working |
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| 15:45.27 | Bish | and none seems to use wpa @ home |
| 15:45.29 | badcloud | then research, find out what made the change |
| 15:45.56 | badcloud | don't you have a fallback image/kernel? |
| 15:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | and gain merits by publishing the fix |
| 15:46.17 | badcloud | if you have the knowledge and ability, Doc |
| 15:46.24 | badcloud | :) |
| 15:46.31 | Bish | no i dont, but all these images does not support wpa_supplicant |
| 15:46.37 | Bish | aren't u guys using wpa |
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| 15:46.44 | badcloud | I'm using wep |
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| 15:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | no wifi here |
| 15:46.55 | Bish | then u could even stop using any encryption |
| 15:46.57 | badcloud | but then again, I don't use much wifi on mine |
| 15:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | got gprs |
| 15:47.07 | badcloud | I know it's not that secure |
| 15:47.21 | badcloud | but I'm in a pretty innocent corner of town |
| 15:47.37 | badcloud | why not just use masquerading via usb? |
| 15:47.39 | Bish | "not-secure" is a bit to soft :P |
| 15:47.48 | Bish | badcloud: because i hate iptables |
| 15:47.48 | badcloud | true |
| 15:48.18 | Bish | and why the f*** does it have wifi without wpa support i mean it worked already -_- yeah im repeating |
| 15:48.19 | badcloud | oh well, sometimes you gotta make sacrifices |
| 15:48.34 | badcloud | have you flashed a clean image? |
| 15:48.54 | badcloud | check google, maybe someone ran into something similar |
| 15:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | nah, wtf... my wlan is open to everybody. my network traffic is secure for wifi as it is for internet |
| 15:49.15 | Bish | yes i flashed the "testing-shr-image" |
| 15:49.37 | badcloud | same kernel too? |
| 15:50.48 | badcloud | (as before) |
| 15:51.00 | Bish | no , its the testing-shr-image |
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| 15:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | also I don't cover my postcards in an envelope on my way to put it into the public mailbox |
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| 15:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | and I can ssh from ne of my wlan-connected machines to any other quite same way I can do from arbitrary IP-addresses out in real internet |
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| 16:01.02 | Bert_2 | Hi, is it possible to backup all my SIM contact using a simple command on shr-unstable ? |
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| 16:09.42 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03dos 07framework * r08d9e12fc0d3 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_messages_fso.py: opimd: SIM_Messages_FSO: combine spliten messages |
| 16:10.01 | Bert_2 | ?? |
| 16:10.30 | Bert_2 | CIA-53: are you a bot ? |
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| 16:14.41 | Bish | no .. he just likes prentending to be one |
| 16:14.53 | Bish | and making colored msges about what happens in python scripts |
| 16:15.53 | Bert_2 | Bish: is he posting every change in certain python scripts ? |
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| 16:17.29 | Bish | Bert_2: i think hes posting even evry change |
| 16:17.48 | Bert_2 | k |
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| 16:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | Bert_2: CIA is commit notification bot |
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| 16:36.49 | Defiant- | DocScrutinizer: really? We would've never guessed that :P |
| 16:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | Defiant-: :-( |
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| 16:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | Defiant-: you're for sure no first-level helpdesk guy, we never had guessed without your comment |
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| 16:39.39 | DocScrutinizer | just trying hard to be polite to everybody. Sometimes fail :-/ |
| 16:40.29 | DocScrutinizer | away now finally. nuff |
| 16:40.44 | Defiant- | DocScrutinizer: right I'm not and thaats better for everyone ;) |
| 16:40.46 | PaulFertser | Bish: i can tell you, wpa works with most APs. And yes, some AP has problems with newer kernels. Even more had that with .24 old ones. |
| 16:42.00 | Bish | yeah but mine worked then xD |
| 16:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | Bish: so use kismet and find the diffs! |
| 16:43.03 | Bish | dont have any wifi adapter :D |
| 16:43.12 | Bish | and fr oes not have monitor mode |
| 16:43.32 | DocScrutinizer | yup, correct. a pitty |
| 16:43.44 | PaulFertser | Bish: FR has problems connecting to some APs, so it's a known bug basically. You say that it worked with .24 kernels, well, it's quite possible. But the way wifi was implemented in .24 had even more problems and incompatibilities... |
| 16:44.10 | Bish | that sux, and that there will be no gta03 and following sux ,too |
| 16:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | anyway a kismet or even wireshark dump is the only way for you to push on your issue getting fixed |
| 16:44.32 | Bish | so i will have to use android .. as a enduser |
| 16:44.41 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: (honorary degree) lol :) |
| 16:45.08 | PaulFertser | Bish: which kernel version does android use (that works with your AP)? |
| 16:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: hehe |
| 16:45.36 | SpeedEvil | there is no 03 design going on now officially |
| 16:45.37 | Bish | .. that not want i wanted to say.. i didnt use android |
| 16:45.46 | SpeedEvil | this doesn't quite mean there will be no gta03 |
| 16:45.47 | Bish | i mean i will have to use android in future.. no gta, no openmoko |
| 16:46.18 | PaulFertser | Bish: why not buy a device that is hackable enough to get rid of wm or android? |
| 16:47.14 | Bish | meaning, buying a .. dont know samsung, to put openmoko on it :P? |
| 16:47.27 | Bish | (there will be an android samsung) |
| 16:47.40 | PaulFertser | Bish: something like that, yes |
| 16:47.46 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: seems Bish is in a bitching mood anyway, and mixing different domains like android-the-OS with gta-the-hw |
| 16:48.24 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i see but i've just woken up so i don't have an energy to emotionally react to that, so that's ok :) |
| 16:48.45 | Bish | DocScrutinizer: no i dont, its just .. there will be no official phone that supports openmoko without hacks |
| 16:49.07 | Bish | so there will be no performant graphicchip or something |
| 16:50.14 | SpeedEvil | rofls. |
| 16:50.30 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: me feeling kinda starting feel kinda pissed. So no comment on "FR *is* an official phone supporting OM without hacks" and simply off # now |
| 16:50.32 | Bish | SpeedEvil: tell me why youre rofling? |
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| 16:50.54 | Bish | DocScrutinizer: from my perspective this is not "supporting" the "hw" |
| 16:50.55 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: see you later than :) |
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| 16:51.03 | PaulFertser | Bish: from ours it is |
| 16:51.06 | SpeedEvil | Bish: performant GPU |
| 16:51.31 | Bish | .. does it matter? |
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| 17:10.08 | wurp2 | vininim: Thanks... I think I'm going to hold out for shr-testing |
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| 17:16.40 | Martix | hello |
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| 17:17.23 | siksika | ciao a tutti |
| 17:17.45 | Zorkman | ciao |
| 17:17.50 | Martix | i have problem with MokoMakeFile, in do_fetch |
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| 17:18.59 | Martix | raise MalformedUrl(url), but URL should be right |
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| 17:33.06 | badcloud1 | anyone know if there's a gsm fix for OM 2008.9? for the no gsm after x hours bug |
| 17:34.09 | rhkfin | badcloud1: have you updgraded your GSM firmware? That fixes something but not that problem, I guess.. I think there's not a final solution forthat yet. |
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| 17:41.45 | DocScrutinizer | badcloud1: CND on SHR. No gsm-fw issue probably then |
| 17:42.04 | badcloud1 | cnd, doc? |
| 17:42.09 | badcloud1 | yes, rhkfin |
| 17:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | btw: OM2008.9?? wtf?! |
| 17:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | CanNotDuplicate |
| 17:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | om2008.9 is considered FUBAR and deprecated afaik |
| 17:43.39 | badcloud1 | FUBAR? |
| 17:43.43 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: yep, |
| 17:43.51 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: fucked up beyond all repair. |
| 17:43.52 | badcloud1 | forgive me lack of acronym knowledge |
| 17:43.53 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: FUCKED |
| 17:43.54 | badcloud1 | ah |
| 17:43.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf fubar |
| 17:43.56 | badcloud1 | got it |
| 17:44.00 | badcloud1 | *my |
| 17:44.11 | PaulFertser | badcloud1: many consider it was dead-born even |
| 17:44.25 | badcloud1 | I just feel like putting two extra primary part on my sd |
| 17:44.31 | badcloud1 | one for gentoo, the other for ? |
| 17:44.35 | badcloud1 | just for the hell of it |
| 17:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.55 | badcloud1 | thanks for the warning |
| 17:45.29 | badcloud1 | so far shr is cutting it |
| 17:45.38 | badcloud1 | even though there isn't much softw |
| 17:46.07 | badcloud1 | and hackable is annoying me with the invisible '+#' contacts |
| 17:46.48 | badcloud1 | debian's install script is running into broken zhone dep |
| 17:46.51 | badcloud1 | *deps |
| 17:47.06 | badcloud1 | and I'm not going near android for ethical reasons |
| 17:47.20 | badcloud1 | stop me if this is boring anybody |
| 17:48.02 | badcloud | well, I have to go anyhoo |
| 17:48.20 | badcloud | has anybody seen the movie Face/Off? |
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| 17:50.34 | badcloud | well anyway, how much does Sean remind you of the character Pollux Troy (badguy's brother)? |
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| 19:30.06 | cyberalex | hi, there is a way to change the default profile at boot on shr? |
| 19:30.39 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rd188328e6a58 10/framework/ (patterns/dbuscache.py subsystems/oeventsd/leds_actions.py): |
| 19:30.39 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: dbuscachepy: use lazy lookup by default. NOTE: This means you can never assume that a dbus object is actually |
| 19:30.39 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: present by the time you want to call it. You need to be prepared for errors. |
| 19:30.39 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r8eee6529de1e 10/framework/subsystems/ (ophoned/gsm.py ophoned/ophoned.py otimed/otimed.py): ophoned|otimed: use dbuscache |
| 19:30.43 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r471e7a6ab6ee 10/framework/subsystems/ousaged/generic.py: ousaged: trigger idlenotifier's busy state after waking up. Closes FSO #410 |
| 19:38.25 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r706b56ccfc95 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: channel.py: relaunch processing the queue after handling a timeout. Closes FSO #414. |
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