| 00:02.19 | Weiss | wonders.. SpeedEvil isn't from Cambridge by any chance? |
| 00:02.52 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:02.58 | SpeedEvil | isn't from cambridge. |
| 00:03.15 | SpeedEvil | is from Fife, Scotland. |
| 00:03.36 | Weiss | s/from/in/ perhaps |
| 00:04.05 | Weiss | but not on the Cam openmoko mailing list? |
| 00:04.12 | SpeedEvil | http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=56.216811,-3.112156&spn=0.000541,0.001727&t=h&z=19 to be exact |
| 00:04.54 | SpeedEvil | limited budget, and even if I could use the car, cam is out of range |
| 00:05.33 | Weiss | ah, yes you're *not* in Cam |
| 00:05.43 | Weiss | i wondered because i know there's quite a lot of high altitude stuff here |
| 00:05.55 | Weiss | never mind :) |
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| 00:06.59 | SpeedEvil | yeah - most of that group is clustered round there. |
| 00:07.12 | SpeedEvil | You're aware of #highaltitude - if interested? |
| 00:08.14 | Weiss | yep.. probably don't have time, though |
| 00:08.25 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:08.48 | Weiss | at least at the moment |
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| 00:56.51 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r4976 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core.lib k4m51323pe.lib pcf50633-04-n3.lib): |
| 00:56.51 | CIA-53 | openmoko: The latest updates from Dave Ball <openmoko@underhand.org>: |
| 00:56.51 | CIA-53 | openmoko: pcf50633-04-n3.lib: |
| 00:56.51 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - changed LEDFBGND from passive to power output |
| 00:56.51 | CIA-53 | openmoko: k4m51323pe.lib: |
| 00:56.53 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - changed DQx from BiDi to 3-state |
| 00:56.55 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - removed the NC pins |
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| 07:53.45 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:36.14 | methril|work | good morning |
| 08:38.53 | rhkfin | ning |
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| 11:06.10 | viq | What would you (all of you ;) recommend for calendar, todo, notes ? |
| 11:07.13 | rhkfin | qpe-things (or gpe.. ) check opkg list|grep qpe (or gpe) |
| 11:07.39 | viq | gpe. thanks |
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| 11:11.09 | rhkfin | (I guess there aren't actually any others..) |
| 11:13.24 | viq | there is something |
| 11:13.33 | viq | http://pimlico-project.org |
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| 11:15.33 | mirko-paroli | viq: any way to get that into elm rather than gtk? |
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| 11:16.38 | viq | Don't ask me, I just clean here ;) |
| 11:16.52 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 11:17.22 | mirko-paroli | hmm guess I'll check the src then :) |
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| 12:22.00 | viq | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf - is the soldering temperature there given in C or F ? |
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| 12:40.24 | khiraly1 | re |
| 12:40.53 | khiraly1 | I've got a nokia BL-6C battery. Its lack of coulumb counter (what freerunner's battery has). Two questions: |
| 12:41.20 | khiraly1 | 1. Will freerunner charge it correctly? |
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| 12:41.55 | khiraly1 | 2. Is there a software workaround to display the estimated capacity of the battery? (currently in illume top bar if I click on battery, I see N/A) |
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| 12:42.34 | dns53 | the freerunner will not charge a bl-6c battery, and no one has written a driver for it |
| 12:43.19 | dns53 | it's probably not too safe to write one for it without the technical specs for the battery, it works as a temporary solution but it is not for extended usage |
| 12:44.27 | khiraly1 | doh! I bought mine for no use than |
| 12:45.20 | dns53 | you just need a nokia to charge it, i have a few nokias and it works great as a replacement to an openmoko battery |
| 12:45.58 | dns53 | it just cannot be charged by the openmoko because it would not be safe to do so, so charge it with a nokia phone and it works fine as a backup battery |
| 12:46.32 | khiraly1 | dns53: dont have any nokia phone with this specific battery |
| 12:47.10 | khiraly1 | But could be written a failsafe driver which does not charge the battery to the maximum, just only half |
| 12:47.52 | khiraly1 | or, measure the current during the charging with a nokia phone |
| 12:48.46 | dns53 | it could be done technically but laptops do explode and you don't want your phone to burn up |
| 12:51.16 | khiraly1 | none of my nokia phones exploded |
| 12:52.24 | dns53 | because they can read the data channel on the battery and know how much charge they can put in, the openmoko cannot read that data so who knows when you go to far |
| 12:52.46 | dns53 | perhaps once simbian is released we might be able to do it |
| 12:55.44 | SpeedEvil | you can charge a li-ion perfectly safely - all you need to do is to monitor the voltage |
| 12:55.50 | raster | i doubt it |
| 12:56.06 | raster | symbian release doesnt mean they will release their drivers per product |
| 12:56.07 | dns53 | you can if you are reading that data channel we don't know how to do taht |
| 12:56.09 | dns53 | that |
| 12:56.33 | SpeedEvil | dns53: you read the voltage with the FRs onboard battery voltage reading ADC |
| 12:56.54 | SpeedEvil | (unless I'm misremembering - I don't think this went away on GTA01 ->02) |
| 12:57.07 | dns53 | for nokia batteries? |
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| 12:57.31 | SpeedEvil | it's on the phone |
| 12:57.46 | SpeedEvil | it's a direct measure of the battery, it does not use any data connection to it |
| 13:00.24 | SpeedEvil | If the battery controller hardware is hardwired to not charge batteries that don't respond is anohter question though |
| 13:01.14 | dns53 | yeah i think it was the battery side not the phone side that decides if it can charge |
| 13:02.29 | SpeedEvil | as I understand - not that way in nokia bats - but I'vve not checked recently |
| 13:02.58 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r56da46617383 10/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml: rules: fix requesting the CPU resource during calls |
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| 13:04.17 | KaZeR-mobi | hi there |
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| 13:13.20 | qknight | does anyone use shr on the neo? it is very unstable for me after opkg upgrade |
| 13:13.25 | qknight | does it work for others?! |
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| 13:25.02 | dns53 | i've had a problem with upgrading shr for the last week, it is the same if you start from a recent image but it all works |
| 13:28.02 | qknight | so you recommend to me just using a recent image |
| 13:28.10 | qknight | and then i'll work? |
| 13:28.16 | qknight | should i use stable/testing? |
| 13:29.34 | qknight | dns53: what are you using? |
| 13:31.10 | Ainulindale | qknight: we don't work on the upgrade path for the time being |
| 13:31.18 | Ainulindale | On big changes you're supposed to reflash, sorry :-) |
| 13:31.31 | Ainulindale | It'll be fixed as soon as we release :-) |
| 13:31.36 | KaZeR-mobi | qknight : i'm connected here via my shr |
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| 13:32.13 | KaZeR-mobi | Ainulindale: any plan to include this fix? http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2264 |
| 13:34.44 | dns53 | i use unstable, it works the best |
| 13:35.21 | Ainulindale | there's no fix in that ticket, is there? |
| 13:35.49 | Ainulindale | Apart from switching to abyss |
| 13:35.59 | Ainulindale | Which we'll do as soon as I'll have the green light from FSO :-) |
| 13:37.49 | KaZeR-mobi | yes, the fix is switching to abyss. that bug is really annoying for people using gprs (upgrading navit, or opkg upgrade : 98% chances of crashing the modem) |
| 13:38.19 | KaZeR-mobi | the switch to abyss should be done by shr, or the framework team? |
| 13:41.15 | qknight | which image to use for shr? |
| 13:43.05 | KaZeR-mobi | btw : thanks for you work, shr team. big kudos for your distro. i'm using it as daily phone for around 2 months now, and i'm quite satisfied |
| 13:43.09 | KaZeR-mobi | qknight: i use shr unstable |
| 13:43.14 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r4977 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core.lib mkloe s3c2442.lib): First stab at the s3c2442b, by Dave Ball <openmoko@underhand.org> |
| 13:43.40 | dns53 | suspend works, gps works battery life is fine |
| 13:47.47 | KaZeR-mobi | Ainulindale: is the tracker the appropriate place to request for packages? |
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| 13:52.02 | Ainulindale | KaZeR-mobi: yes there is a package request category |
| 13:52.20 | Ainulindale | KaZeR-mobi: it should be done in SHR (for your question) |
| 13:54.10 | KaZeR-mobi | ok thanks. i'll have a look at the tracker for the requests. about abyss, would it be possible to test it? are you aware of / able to provide a package? |
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| 14:00.24 | Ainulindale | able, yes |
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| 14:01.46 | KaZeR-mobi | Ainulindale: would be great, i could test if it does really solve my issue, then |
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| 15:00.34 | KaZeR-mobi | ++ |
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| 15:17.33 | slaxxer | C |
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| 15:18.52 | slaxxer | Dave change his name? |
| 15:19.12 | slaxxer | what about Dave |
| 15:19.20 | slaxxer | SuperDave |
| 15:24.35 | PaulFertser | ~seen Dave |
| 15:24.38 | apt | dave <n=dave@pool-138-89-1-87.mad.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 27d 13h 43m 23s ago, saying: 'hahaa'. |
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| 15:34.06 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:43.55 | wurp2|working | PBeck: hi |
| 15:47.21 | XorA|gone | has just finished his last official OM task :-) |
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| 15:48.23 | alphaone | XorA: What did you do? |
| 15:48.36 | XorA | made xf86-video-glamo the default for gta02 |
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| 15:50.57 | Zorkman | and what will you do next XorA? |
| 15:51.26 | XorA | Zorkman: play with new toys |
| 15:52.24 | Zorkman | XorA: which ones if I may ask? |
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| 15:53.16 | XorA | Zorkman: hopefully a Pandora someday, but ngw100, beagle and sheeva all need some lurvin |
| 15:53.27 | XorA | Zorkman: and EEE |
| 15:54.18 | Zorkman | did you preorder? |
| 15:54.21 | Zorkman | (pandora?) |
| 15:54.47 | Ainulindale | ah if only sheeva had two ethernet |
| 15:54.59 | XorA | Ainulindale: mine will do |
| 15:55.00 | Ainulindale | I'd have bought ten of these |
| 15:55.07 | Ainulindale | XorA: Hmmmm ? |
| 15:55.16 | Ainulindale | Tell me more... *drools* |
| 15:55.21 | XorA | Ainulindale: I have spare usb ethernet |
| 15:55.33 | Ainulindale | Ah, USB ethernet. I don't like that :-) |
| 15:56.04 | Ainulindale | As I'd like to have a disk plugged |
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| 15:56.15 | Ainulindale | (to do a basic little NAS) |
| 15:56.50 | XorA | you could have sdio wifi for a laugh |
| 15:56.59 | Ainulindale | Nah. Proper ethernet :-) |
| 15:57.00 | Ainulindale | (that is wired) |
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| 16:01.24 | XorA | Ainulindale: actually I made my network all wired, I got tired of dropouts due to wifi |
| 16:01.45 | Ainulindale | So did I |
| 16:01.47 | XorA | only my pda's now use wifi |
| 16:02.02 | Ainulindale | Plus when I had a garden and no specific rope to put my clothes on in order for them to dry |
| 16:02.05 | Ainulindale | I used RJ45 cable |
| 16:02.07 | Ainulindale | And you can't do that with wifi |
| 16:02.11 | Ainulindale | To me that's the main drawback |
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| 16:02.42 | XorA | Ainulindale: if you pumped up the wifi power though, it would dry your clothes for you :-) |
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| 16:03.04 | Ainulindale | Yeah but it'd also probably boost my baldness |
| 16:03.13 | Ainulindale | (Due to chemo) |
| 16:05.22 | XorA | saves a fortune on "product" |
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| 16:06.58 | Ainulindale | Heh :-) |
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| 16:17.35 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r4978 10/trunk/gta02-core/scripts/ (. all-sheets-ps expand-pintype): |
| 16:17.35 | CIA-53 | openmoko: expand-pintype: adds a text field with the pin type to each pin. |
| 16:17.35 | CIA-53 | openmoko: all-sheets-ps: uses psmerge to concatenate the Postscript files (generated |
| 16:17.35 | CIA-53 | openmoko: with the "Plot" function) of all the sheets of the gta02-core schematics. |
| 16:20.00 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r4979 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (7 files): |
| 16:20.00 | CIA-53 | openmoko: First set of schematics, for now just to have everything in a single file |
| 16:20.00 | CIA-53 | openmoko: for easier review. We'll need to rearrange things later. |
| 16:20.01 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Note that this uses the expanded symbols, not the regular ones. |
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| 16:34.55 | geaaru | hi, what is application that supply dbus service org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply |
| 16:35.09 | geaaru | ? |
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| 16:35.22 | geaaru | thanks in advance |
| 16:40.40 | slaxxer | may 9 shr unstable ok? |
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| 16:55.05 | spaetz | geaaru: frameworkd |
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| 16:55.16 | spaetz | like all org.freesmartphone stuff |
| 16:55.44 | geaaru | spaetz: thanks, because i use gta01 with shr but that service isn't founded |
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| 17:07.31 | slaxxer | fso-paroli unstable was narley |
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| 17:16.07 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r627bad5d6fff 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.vapi interfaces.vala): fsoframework: interfaces: add org.freesmartphone.Device.Input |
| 17:16.09 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r83e28c40f6d0 10/fsodeviced/ (6 files in 4 dirs): fsodevice: rename info plugin to kernel_info |
| 17:16.09 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rc427a748f0f2 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_input/ (Makefile.am plugin.vala): fsodeviced: add build skeleton for kernel_input plugin |
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| 17:29.39 | geaaru | hi found my problem on gta01 interface to getPowerSupply is /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/bat_th_gta01 |
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| 17:30.02 | geaaru | but where i can set this "url"? it is possible from configuration file? |
| 17:32.23 | geaaru | so this is the method that must be called |
| 17:32.26 | geaaru | dbus-send --type=method_call --print-reply --system --dest=org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone |
| 17:32.49 | geaaru | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.58 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r02f4210bd988 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_input/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel_input: register input devices |
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| 17:42.06 | qknight | i flashed with shr |
| 17:42.28 | qknight | and now i get EXT3-fs: invalid journal node |
| 17:42.35 | qknight | and 2 other stange errors on boot |
| 17:43.03 | qknight | btusb_intr_complete: hc0 urb c7numbers... failed to resubmit (19) |
| 17:43.11 | qknight | and another line nearly identical |
| 17:43.18 | qknight | anyone an idea what that is? |
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| 17:52.17 | wurp2|working | qknight: Did you try reflashing? |
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| 17:54.52 | qknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.55 | qknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.06 | qknight | wurp2|working: yes i just relfashed with shr |
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| 17:56.49 | wurp2|working | So now your fs works? |
| 17:57.23 | wurp2|working | qknight: You'll get better SHR support in #openmoko-cdevel, btw |
| 18:00.51 | qknight | wurp2|working: after a hrd reset shr boots at least |
| 18:00.55 | qknight | thanks |
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| 18:01.00 | wurp2|working | yw |
| 18:01.02 | qknight | wurp2|working: ;-) |
| 18:01.21 | wurp2|working | So your first boot failed, but after a hard reset it worked? |
| 18:01.30 | wurp2|working | This is with the latest shr-testing? |
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| 18:23.48 | dainiusbmw | o |
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| 18:25.04 | dainiusbmw | kas jus |
| 18:25.23 | dainiusbmw | :) |
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| 18:31.18 | bumbl | ~seen Dave |
| 18:31.20 | apt | dave <n=dave@pool-138-89-1-87.mad.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 27d 16h 50m 5s ago, saying: 'hahaa'. |
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| 19:18.47 | mirko-paroli | rwhitby: ping |
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| 19:33.13 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r7ac4c6057d43 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: opimd: SIM_Contacts_FSO: implement adding new contacts on SIM |
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| 19:33.16 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r46215f6ca123 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: opimd: SIM_Contacts_FSO: cosmetical fix |
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| 20:14.16 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rd51676d16dc4 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/sms.py: |
| 20:14.16 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Handle the case where the address has zero length |
| 20:14.16 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Comparing with [] doesn't work for arrays len() == 0 is better. |
| 20:14.16 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * ra5c4db8314a7 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://git@git.freesmartphone.org/framework |
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| 20:39.12 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r142a9d7a3168 10/framework/ (patterns/dbuscache.py subsystems/oeventsd/leds_actions.py): |
| 20:39.12 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: oeventsd: Fix SetLed rule |
| 20:39.12 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: SetLed needs to follow name owner changes since they aren't there at the |
| 20:39.12 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: time oeventsd parses the rule. This commit adds an attribute |
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| 21:00.00 | jonkristian | Is anyone else having problem with neotool when flashing, not at least 2 device changes found ?!? |
| 21:00.23 | jonkristian | it's been working for months, up until recently. |
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| 21:52.09 | anttna | /me is sad to report fr does not like water :( |
| 21:52.34 | anttna | test |
| 21:52.39 | anttna | test |
| 21:52.49 | anttna | is sad to report fr does not like water |
| 21:57.37 | jonkristian | heads for the bathroom |
| 22:06.21 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r407560cd3d9a 10/libfsoframework/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:06.21 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: fsoframework: linux26.vapi: input subsystem bindings complete |
| 22:06.21 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: (minus force feedback joysticks, but who's going to use these anyways... :-) |
| 22:07.03 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rec065de210d4 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel_input/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel_input: grab product ID from input device |
| 22:09.13 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r407f68b361c4 10/Makefile: add target xml |
| 22:11.19 | slaxxer | Dave? |
| 22:11.23 | jonkristian | What's the best wifi manager for shr these days, I have real issues with mofi. |
| 22:12.28 | XorA | jonkristian: anyone done connman, works nice on gta02 on Ã
ngström |
| 22:12.38 | slaxxer | mine came with mofi |
| 22:12.58 | jonkristian | yes, mofi is default in shr, but i have issues with it, don't you? |
| 22:16.13 | slaxxer | yea the not working part is the show stopper |
| 22:16.34 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07specs * r89466478a61e 10/org.freesmartphone.Device/org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.xml.in: org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio: fix name for AudioState |
| 22:17.11 | slaxxer | might have to go to 04162009 to get it back |
| 22:17.46 | jonkristian | you're using shr? |
| 22:18.03 | slaxxer | yea |
| 22:18.25 | slaxxer | im just a user though |
| 22:18.28 | jonkristian | There are a couple of ones here, http://www.opkg.org/category_8.html not sure if they work though. |
| 22:18.47 | jonkristian | Yeah, me too, been on android for a while but i wanted to flash back to shr. |
| 22:19.00 | slaxxer | knj is what i will try |
| 22:20.56 | anttna | viq: I can't see an answer to your temperature question _ oF is rthe answer |
| 22:22.13 | viq | I was told it was Celsius ;) |
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| 22:41.25 | jonkristian | Does the Angstrom repo work good with shr? |
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| 22:44.57 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4bf0857bc104 10/libfsoframework/vapi/linux26.vapi: fsoframework: linux26.vapi: add missing MAX constants |
| 22:47.05 | slaxxer | no if we could just formulate an shr release of the best stuff configured to work for most people without all the opkg options an all the dependencies in 1 spot |
| 22:47.37 | slaxxer | parlez vous |
| 22:48.02 | anttna | my touchscreen is almost working again |
| 22:49.01 | anttna | though it is pink |
| 22:50.13 | jonkristian | slaxxer: yeah |
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| 22:53.42 | jonkristian | might be just as easy to figure out what's wrong with the current images. |
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| 23:13.34 | jonkristian | hm |
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| 23:53.06 | jonkristian | Can i share maps between navit and tangogps somehow, anybody done this? |
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