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| 01:41.18 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.18 | slaxxer | As of release 12.2, Slackware is now officially supported on the Neo Freerunner [2] |
| 01:41.44 | slaxxer | http://armedslack.org/ |
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| 01:50.31 | slaxxer | i want to see slack on my freerunner |
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| 02:23.55 | SpeedEvil | tried to build slack on the gta01 |
| 02:32.09 | sypher7 | i have fond memories of slack |
| 02:32.16 | sypher7 | did you get very far? |
| 02:33.09 | SpeedEvil | not really |
| 02:33.20 | SpeedEvil | build errors, and I got bored |
| 02:33.29 | sypher7 | :-P |
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| 03:54.19 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r4971 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (pcf50633-03-n3.lib pcf50633-04-n3.lib): Renamed pcf50633-03-n3.lib to pcf50633-04-n3.lib |
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| 04:09.59 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r4972 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core.lib mkloe pcf50633-04-n3.lib): (log message trimmed) |
| 04:09.59 | CIA-53 | openmoko: pcf50633-04-n3.lib: |
| 04:09.59 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - renamed DOWN1FN to DOWN2FB |
| 04:09.59 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - DOWN2* group was just a copy of DOWN1* |
| 04:09.59 | CIA-53 | openmoko: gta02-core.lib: |
| 04:10.01 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - regenerated |
| 04:10.03 | CIA-53 | openmoko: mkloe: |
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| 07:12.29 | methril|work | morning |
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| 07:42.42 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:10.13 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r4973 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core.lib wm8753l.lib): |
| 08:10.13 | CIA-53 | openmoko: wm8753l.lib: |
| 08:10.13 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - changed LOUT2 was incorrectly labeled ROUT2 |
| 08:10.13 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - MICBIAS should be "Output" (was "Input") |
| 08:10.13 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - VXDIN should be "Input" (was "BiDi") |
| 08:10.14 | CIA-53 | openmoko: gta02-core.lib: |
| 08:10.16 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - rebuild for wm8753l changes |
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| 09:51.07 | lezedepeze_ | please go on this link: |
| 09:51.08 | lezedepeze_ | http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 |
| 09:51.20 | mickeyl | no, thanks |
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| 09:56.04 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r4974 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/pcf50633-04-n3.lib: Pin types improved. By Dave Ball <openmoko@underhand.org> |
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| 09:59.15 | khiraly1 | re |
| 09:59.19 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: there? |
| 09:59.26 | mirko-paroli | kinda |
| 09:59.54 | khiraly1 | http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/144 |
| 10:00.01 | khiraly1 | ^ most serious issue |
| 10:00.03 | mirko-paroli | i get a mail for every report |
| 10:00.15 | khiraly1 | ok then |
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| 10:00.33 | khiraly1 | just when you hang up you can accidentally hit the call button, so paroli freeze |
| 10:00.56 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r4975 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (gta02-core.lib wm8753l.lib): |
| 10:00.57 | CIA-53 | openmoko: wm8753l.lib: |
| 10:00.57 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - changed VMID and VREF to "passive", as suggested by Dave Ball |
| 10:00.57 | CIA-53 | openmoko: gta02-core.lib: |
| 10:00.57 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - updated for last two changes |
| 10:04.52 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: I can't reproduce that |
| 10:04.58 | mirko-paroli | you call someone |
| 10:04.58 | khiraly1 | no way |
| 10:05.03 | khiraly1 | yepp |
| 10:05.05 | khiraly1 | you hang up |
| 10:05.21 | khiraly1 | and you just press the call button |
| 10:05.26 | khiraly1 | (without any number in it) |
| 10:05.46 | khiraly1 | and check how many paroli windows do you have |
| 10:05.46 | mirko-paroli | ah |
| 10:05.49 | mirko-paroli | yeah |
| 10:05.51 | mirko-paroli | too many |
| 10:05.55 | mirko-paroli | but the UI doesn't freeze |
| 10:05.57 | khiraly1 | and call yourself |
| 10:05.58 | mirko-paroli | k |
| 10:06.04 | khiraly1 | but it does |
| 10:06.10 | khiraly1 | you cant click on Tele, msgs, i/o |
| 10:06.19 | khiraly1 | just on alarm settings |
| 10:06.26 | khiraly1 | but try to call yourself |
| 10:06.32 | mirko-paroli | i did |
| 10:06.40 | mirko-paroli | i get a huge amount of tele windows |
| 10:06.43 | khiraly1 | you cant answer it, can you? |
| 10:06.46 | mirko-paroli | yepp |
| 10:07.12 | mirko-paroli | i believe as soon as tele opens only once |
| 10:07.12 | khiraly1 | ok. I think this is the numero 1 suspect for my many bugs.;) |
| 10:07.22 | mirko-paroli | that problem will aslo be gone |
| 10:07.53 | khiraly1 | And basically paroli has trouble with anything where no data provided (no pin entered, no calling number, no gprs settings, etc) |
| 10:08.05 | mirko-paroli | no calling number does not even reach python |
| 10:08.13 | khiraly1 | ehh |
| 10:08.24 | mirko-paroli | no gprs settings shouldn't be a paroli prob either |
| 10:08.28 | mirko-paroli | it'll try to register |
| 10:08.30 | mirko-paroli | but won't succeed |
| 10:08.51 | khiraly1 | but its not you who should double check if the data are valid? |
| 10:08.59 | khiraly1 | like calling number 06,20 |
| 10:09.06 | mirko-paroli | well how do I know what your operator wants |
| 10:09.14 | mirko-paroli | how do you get a comma in tele? |
| 10:09.43 | khiraly1 | see bug #141 |
| 10:10.37 | mirko-paroli | ah |
| 10:10.42 | mirko-paroli | that is the length of the number |
| 10:10.47 | mirko-paroli | I built an error dialog this morning |
| 10:10.57 | mirko-paroli | i'll try |
| 10:11.34 | mirko-paroli | yeah |
| 10:11.35 | mirko-paroli | works |
| 10:11.42 | mirko-paroli | not the saving of the message but the error dialog |
| 10:12.30 | khiraly1 | you can check if a number is valid or not. if len(num)<3 and len(num) > 15 |
| 10:13.01 | khiraly1 | but zero length is invalid for sure |
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| 10:16.48 | khiraly1 | I font know, but here all the emergency numbers are 3 letters. So any number with only two letters is invalid. Im pretty sure in USA is the same |
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| 10:17.28 | mirko-paroli | speeddial |
| 10:17.32 | mirko-paroli | if it ever comes in paroli |
| 10:17.37 | mirko-paroli | would be only one digit |
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| 10:18.56 | khiraly1 | yepp, but its a shortcut. You replace it with a real number and send it to frameworkd. No? |
| 10:19.25 | raster | bew |
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| 10:20.03 | khiraly1 | hi raster! |
| 10:20.38 | khiraly1 | raster: would you mind to answer me some questions about illume keyboard? |
| 10:21.05 | raster | kkk |
| 10:22.34 | khiraly1 | I have created a dict for illume. But it doesnt recognize some word in it. I suspect the alphabetical order is the key issue. |
| 10:22.35 | khiraly1 | So must be the lines in the dict file be in alphabetical order? |
| 10:24.09 | rhkfin | khiraly1: yes, AFAIK.. |
| 10:24.42 | khiraly1 | and what are the numbers in the .dict file? So if i create a dict with only 40 (key)word, what should I write as numbers? |
| 10:24.50 | rhkfin | khiraly1: what did you use as source? Someone used wikipedia (at least in Finnish the SMS language is a lot different from Wikipedia language), someone used irc logs :) |
| 10:25.14 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: ls -1 /usr/bin |
| 10:25.22 | rhkfin | khiraly1: I like that!!! |
| 10:25.29 | raster | khiraly1: aaah yes. it MUST be in case-insensitive alphabetical order |
| 10:25.30 | raster | must |
| 10:25.30 | rhkfin | I've been thinking about the same |
| 10:25.45 | raster | and the numbers are frequrency of use |
| 10:25.51 | raster | just how often the word haws been used |
| 10:25.57 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: and a keyword based dictionary, where you have only 40 choice, and illume should always propose the right one |
| 10:26.00 | raster | the default dict comes seeded with works and freqs |
| 10:26.02 | rhkfin | khiraly1: I hope you'll release it at some stage :) And also a script to rerun it every now and then.. |
| 10:26.19 | raster | your personal dict will copy them from the system dict and aqdjust them to hve new numbers as you use them more |
| 10:26.44 | raster | and thus it effectively adjusts to your pattern of language usage, and is more likely to offer words YOU use often |
| 10:26.45 | khiraly1 | raster: yepp, just I want to create a dict, where the words are limited to about 40 possibilities |
| 10:26.54 | khiraly1 | so what should I write them as frequency? |
| 10:27.00 | rhkfin | khiraly1: 1? |
| 10:27.09 | rhkfin | 'in the analyzed text they all appeal once' |
| 10:27.17 | raster | any number you like |
| 10:27.30 | raster | as long as relatively they are raqted for how often you'll use them |
| 10:27.32 | khiraly1 | higher number means illume will recognize better? |
| 10:27.37 | rhkfin | Then use it for a week and check if numbers have changed and save that |
| 10:27.44 | raster | well it just means the word is more common |
| 10:27.54 | raster | as you use it it will adjust over time to your usage |
| 10:27.58 | raster | modifying the numbers |
| 10:28.11 | raster | so the best way to pick a number is guess then just use it for a month and see what they end up as |
| 10:28.41 | khiraly1 | raster: I dont like this personal dict at all |
| 10:28.53 | khiraly1 | raster: they pollute with different dictionary |
| 10:29.11 | rhkfin | khiraly1: symlink? |
| 10:29.23 | khiraly1 | so when I write shell commands it propose me english words, when I write hungarian text it propose me shell commands, etc |
| 10:29.37 | khiraly1 | I would like dynamic dict for each dictionary |
| 10:29.46 | khiraly1 | so they doesnt pollute each other |
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| 10:29.49 | rhkfin | hmm.. no :) I might have understood it wrong.. |
| 10:30.53 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: my problems is, I have one common dynamic dict. And when I choose this very special dictionary (lets say shell commands) I want only shell commands proposed and not some previously typed english texts |
| 10:31.26 | raster | khiraly1: there is nocode to handle writing to a different personal dict based on system dict |
| 10:31.31 | raster | patches accepted |
| 10:31.32 | raster | :) |
| 10:31.52 | khiraly1 | so when you choose your dictionary you want to write in that language. (being it python keywords, shell commands, hungarian corpus, english corpus, some predefined lists) |
| 10:33.17 | khiraly1 | raster: back to the numbers. If you want only 40 words, and I want beeing proposed only from that set, the higher numbers means illume will propose from that set? |
| 10:33.44 | khiraly1 | s/If you/if I/ |
| 10:34.00 | rhkfin | one .dict = one set? |
| 10:34.06 | khiraly1 | yepp |
| 10:34.25 | raster | khiraly1: the numbr is frequency |
| 10:34.29 | raster | it is NOT just that that maters |
| 10:34.36 | raster | its also how badly you typo things |
| 10:34.36 | rhkfin | also what keys you press.... |
| 10:34.50 | raster | if you typo it badly enough it might not figure it out no matter how high the freq |
| 10:35.01 | raster | or you typo it in a way that almost matches a much less frequntly used word |
| 10:35.07 | raster | but tis far from the one you wanted |
| 10:35.13 | rhkfin | raster: how 'far' on the keyboard does the typo feature reach? 2 keys away? |
| 10:35.24 | raster | it is a combination of frequency and how close your "keystrokes" are to each word in the dict |
| 10:35.32 | raster | depends on the kbd layout |
| 10:35.36 | raster | thats the fuzz value |
| 10:35.46 | raster | its a unit value in kbd layout units |
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| 10:36.36 | rhkfin | raster: cool :) |
| 10:38.00 | khiraly1 | raster: and what are the hundred percent in frequency? |
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| 10:38.27 | rhkfin | khiraly1: it's not relative..? |
| 10:38.51 | rhkfin | it's just how many times the work is used (in the source material and typed after that) |
| 10:38.54 | khiraly1 | ok. I have 40 words in my language, nothing else. Should I write 2.5 for each word in the dict? |
| 10:39.04 | rhkfin | or 1 or 400 - it doesn't matter.. |
| 10:39.05 | raster | khiraly1: there is no 100% |
| 10:39.12 | rhkfin | (I'd go for 1) |
| 10:39.28 | raster | if you want them all to be equally used then give them all the same number |
| 10:39.37 | raster | in any language |
| 10:39.40 | khiraly1 | aham. ok |
| 10:39.42 | raster | some words are used more than others |
| 10:39.53 | raster | take any set of books, newspapers, letters, emails etc. |
| 10:40.08 | khiraly1 | I understand now. But the dynamic dict has higher rate, so it will overwrite the default proposition;-\ |
| 10:40.20 | raster | people will use "and" much more than they use "hippopotamus" |
| 10:40.20 | rhkfin | I guess it's worth startig with low numbers -> the usage really affects then the frequency (1:2 is a bit different from 400:401..) |
| 10:40.27 | raster | in any set of txt large enough you can C |
| 10:40.35 | khiraly1 | raster: Im not interested right now in natural language. More in python keywords, shell commands, and some custom sets |
| 10:40.36 | raster | COUNT how many times evey word is used |
| 10:40.56 | raster | imaging that number simply as the number of times that word appears in a given text. |
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| 10:40.58 | raster | thats all it is |
| 10:40.59 | rhkfin | khiraly1: the language really doesn't matter! |
| 10:41.06 | raster | the rest is your business |
| 10:41.08 | khiraly1 | I will create a dict, for my language(hungarian), but Im not really that sms guy |
| 10:41.17 | raster | khiraly1: in ANY language |
| 10:41.17 | khiraly1 | ok. I understand it |
| 10:41.20 | raster | INCLUDING python |
| 10:41.20 | rhkfin | Actually it'd make sense to add your name/signature there with a high frequency to be able to easily add it to SMS's :) |
| 10:41.21 | raster | shell |
| 10:41.22 | raster | c |
| 10:41.30 | raster | certain WORDS aremore comoon tan others |
| 10:41.44 | rhkfin | certain PEOPLE typo more than others :) |
| 10:41.46 | raster | eg "if" is more "common" than goto in c |
| 10:41.59 | khiraly1 | ok, Im getting now. |
| 10:42.14 | raster | it applies to ANY form of communication |
| 10:42.22 | raster | be it communicatng with a machine in a programming lang |
| 10:42.24 | raster | or a shell |
| 10:42.29 | raster | or a human natural language |
| 10:42.37 | raster | some words are more common than others |
| 10:44.28 | khiraly1 | raster: by the way, typing with illume keyword selecting a word from a set (like only 40 words in dict), is at least twice as fast as writing on paper |
| 10:44.55 | rhkfin | sounds good :) |
| 10:45.00 | raster | khiraly1: cool! |
| 10:45.12 | khiraly1 | just I need to erase the ~/.e/e/dicts-dynamic/personal.dic file. If not it will propose me some previously typed words |
| 10:45.14 | raster | khiraly1: he idea is that a doict+correction canmake up a lot for typos |
| 10:45.18 | raster | IF the dict is good |
| 10:45.19 | rhkfin | needs to limit the words used in communications :) |
| 10:45.31 | raster | thats really aq matter for the dict conents to be good and have frequencies set right |
| 10:45.41 | SpeedEvil | if only shifting probabilities diddn't have to involve looking at keyb |
| 10:45.45 | raster | and then the code to weigh the dict freq with the margin of error in you typing and merge them |
| 10:45.50 | raster | it cant always get it right |
| 10:46.12 | raster | not with a sufficiently large languge where there are just too many common words your typo could be |
| 10:46.37 | khiraly1 | raster: and cant be selecting dicts-dynamic/[dictionaryname]-personal.dic in place of the default personal.dic? |
| 10:46.39 | raster | but hopefully it gets it right mostof the time or very often and your desired word is at last in the top 3 or 4 words so they are 1 press away |
| 10:46.45 | khiraly1 | Where should I look into the code. |
| 10:46.46 | raster | if that faisl theres always the long list popup |
| 10:46.54 | raster | and typing in ith zoom mode |
| 10:47.13 | raster | khiraly1: you cant as the code literally handles only a single personaldict |
| 10:47.19 | raster | for everything and writes back toit |
| 10:47.22 | raster | patches accepted :) |
| 10:47.31 | raster | e_kbd_*.c |
| 10:47.41 | khiraly1 | but the only place to alter it, is when you load the personal.dic |
| 10:47.52 | raster | e_kbd_*.c in the illumemodile in e17's src |
| 10:47.58 | khiraly1 | so you load other personal.dic for each system.dic |
| 10:48.08 | raster | khiraly1: its a little mlore complex than that |
| 10:48.15 | raster | as everthing you type does into an |
| 10:48.20 | raster | overlay dict |
| 10:48.22 | raster | (it personal one) |
| 10:48.29 | raster | and this is regularly flushed and written to disk |
| 10:48.44 | raster | then re-loaded to avoid malloced ram and kep it mmapd from disk |
| 10:48.58 | khiraly1 | and If I delete the personal.dic file does illume has it in the system memory? |
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| 10:49.24 | raster | it will be most unhapy as it has diectly mmaped it |
| 10:49.29 | raster | tho a delete might work |
| 10:49.43 | raster | bat a echo > ditcfile will make for nice segvs |
| 10:50.20 | khiraly1 | ok. But closing the personal.dic (overlay dic) when selecting an other system dic, is pretty feasable. No? |
| 10:50.22 | rhkfin | btw the prediction is a bit challange for languages with suffixes.. Like in english, you just put words after another, mostly unaltered, in some languages a word can actually have some 20-30 forms.. |
| 10:50.53 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: yepp, I know it;) Hungarian is the worst of all |
| 10:51.08 | rhkfin | Finnish and Hungarian are related, I hear.. |
| 10:52.31 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: people talks;) Back in uni, when I had some good finnish friend, we hardly found some common word. ;) But its a funny experience at least |
| 10:52.57 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: basically Im toying with the idea, as illume would simply write down the word *without* a space at the end |
| 10:53.02 | rhkfin | khiraly1: I know, there are not common words but I guess it's the structure or grammar or something that's related |
| 10:53.11 | khiraly1 | so you could write the word, and choose the suffix for it |
| 10:53.17 | rhkfin | khiraly1: not bad! |
| 10:53.49 | khiraly1 | its not ideal, but could be working. Especially if you omit the accents, what you usually do in sms anyway |
| 10:54.20 | khiraly1 | and add higher ratings for the suffix. |
| 10:54.53 | rhkfin | we don't have accents, only ö and ä |
| 10:54.58 | khiraly1 | Need some experience to prove it. |
| 10:55.13 | khiraly1 | doh |
| 10:55.20 | khiraly1 | need utf8 enabled here? |
| 10:55.32 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: but you have double letters for accent |
| 10:55.54 | khiraly1 | like ae ee, or something. Im not an expert at all in finnish |
| 10:56.16 | khiraly1 | Just listened some finnish rock some time ago, and learned the lyrics;) |
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| 10:56.40 | rhkfin | a with dots can be replaced with ae (but only foreigners do it who don't have ä in their keyboards :) |
| 10:56.52 | rhkfin | so we use ä and ö all the time |
| 10:56.56 | doudou | hi, can i zoom yahoo.com with the phone? |
| 10:57.04 | khiraly1 | I do not see your accents;) I see only ? and ? |
| 10:57.05 | XorA | rhkfin: we all have ä on our keyboards |
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| 10:57.14 | rhkfin | doudou: with what application? |
| 10:57.18 | khiraly1 | ok, XorA has accent |
| 10:57.26 | rhkfin | khiraly1: hmm.. ok, maybe I fail. I see it.. |
| 10:57.29 | XorA | khiraly1: Alt Gr " a |
| 10:57.33 | doudou | openmoko with the freerunner phone? |
| 10:57.46 | doudou | i am searching for a phone, i went here ... |
| 10:57.59 | rhkfin | doudou: slow down.. |
| 10:58.38 | doudou | features are: use xserver and zoom parts and keep the kbd on the screen while, or at least with the kbd on the screen run putty |
| 10:58.52 | rhkfin | Software for Freerunner is under heavy developement. My guesstimation is that there are about 5% of people who ordered it, using it as a daily phone. |
| 10:59.26 | rhkfin | raster: got a link to zoomed keyboard? |
| 10:59.32 | rhkfin | to screenshot of .. |
| 10:59.42 | Ainulindale | I'm using it as a daily phone. |
| 10:59.47 | rhkfin | So am i |
| 10:59.58 | Ainulindale | I've been using it as a daily phone for 9 months or so |
| 11:00.02 | Weiss | me too :) |
| 11:00.14 | mjr | I am too. Well, not now, now I'm using 1973, since fr is in repair ;] |
| 11:00.17 | XorA | has friends so needs to use a working phone :-) |
| 11:00.24 | rhkfin | nice, still 10 to go :) |
| 11:00.33 | Ainulindale | XorA: mine works properly |
| 11:00.36 | Ainulindale | No problem at all |
| 11:00.53 | XorA | lucky you, youve got the golden model :-) |
| 11:01.09 | Ainulindale | Nope, just the golden distro |
| 11:01.23 | PaulFertser | And friends |
| 11:01.31 | Ainulindale | I had the GPS issue and still have the buzz issue, but it doesn't prevent me from using it |
| 11:01.39 | khiraly1 | raster: this enlightenment source tree is huge. http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/e/src/modules/illume/e_kbd.c |
| 11:01.46 | khiraly1 | ^^ are we talking about this? |
| 11:02.04 | doudou | i understood that to see internet with a phone you must be able to zoom on parts of screen as you want, but as this feature is not a hardward feature, how can i use a phone to see the xserver of my home on it? |
| 11:02.43 | khiraly1 | raster: will take months to figure out the C source, as I never done anything serious in C. |
| 11:02.48 | rhkfin | doudou: here's a zoomed keyboard: http://dy.fi/7pj (you need to zoom in to see it, only a thumb..) |
| 11:03.09 | rhkfin | doudou: vnc? |
| 11:03.37 | raster | khiraly1: yes. |
| 11:03.46 | doudou | i dont now anything about vnc, i went until ssh client |
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| 11:03.48 | raster | tho actually e_kbd_int*.c |
| 11:03.53 | raster | ned yes |
| 11:03.56 | raster | e';s svn is huge |
| 11:04.01 | raster | over a million lines of c in there |
| 11:04.02 | doudou | i saw your picture, does the kbd stay for all applications? |
| 11:04.09 | rhkfin | doudou: I don't quite get what you want.. But need to go.. |
| 11:04.17 | rhkfin | doudou: can be switched manually on/off |
| 11:04.32 | rhkfin | Tell someone if SHR enables the keyboard with AUX button..? |
| 11:04.53 | doudou | see i can keep the kbd on the screnn for any application running on the phone, can i zoom part of screen too? |
| 11:05.16 | rhkfin | doudou: don't know about the zoom.. Why do you think youi need it? |
| 11:05.18 | khiraly1 | raster: there is some doc how can I compile on freerunner? So if I modify the illume keyboard code, who can I update it on the phone to try it out? |
| 11:05.26 | Ainulindale | rhkfin: Well you can bind what you want on AUX |
| 11:05.31 | rhkfin | Ainulindale: right.. |
| 11:05.43 | Ainulindale | rhkfin: So you can bind a script which would popup the keyboard if you like it that way |
| 11:05.49 | Ainulindale | For the time being it's the screen locker |
| 11:05.51 | rhkfin | Ainulindale: got it |
| 11:06.04 | doudou | rhkfin, i saw the only way to browse yahoo.com on a phone for example is to be able to zoom parts as you like |
| 11:06.13 | raster | khiraly1: ugh |
| 11:06.13 | rhkfin | doudou: see http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php for screenshots of what people do with it (and some other devices, too.. GTA02 is freerunner there) |
| 11:06.18 | raster | compile ON frerunner |
| 11:06.32 | rhkfin | doudou: did you know what's the resolution of FR screen? About 300dpi.. |
| 11:06.32 | raster | continental drift seems more interesting |
| 11:06.43 | Weiss | doudou: actually zoom the screen, or just increase the zoom in the browser and use scrollbars? the latter should be possible (depending on the browser?) |
| 11:06.43 | raster | rhkfin: 285dpi |
| 11:06.49 | rhkfin | doudou: -> you don't need a zoom if your eyes are ok.. |
| 11:07.22 | rhkfin | Woosh is said to be able to zoom & pan nicely but it fails to run here and there (a browser, see opkg.org) |
| 11:07.29 | doudou | Weiss, what i saw is to zoom with fingers touching the screen, seems minimal way |
| 11:07.30 | khiraly1 | (13.06.48) rhkfin: doudou: -> you don't need a zoom if your eyes are ok.. <-- use a microscope |
| 11:08.13 | Weiss | is an electron microscopist by day :) |
| 11:08.18 | doudou | rhkfin, you dont need chat if your mind is ok too |
| 11:08.34 | rhkfin | doudou: hmm.. |
| 11:08.49 | doudou | all we need is love? |
| 11:08.54 | khiraly1 | raster: i dont understand the concept behind the type of keyboard (alpha, numeric, terminal). |
| 11:09.15 | rhkfin | khiraly1: just three different layouts? |
| 11:09.29 | khiraly1 | The keyboard should only default on a dict. And would be a none.dict, where no words are present |
| 11:09.53 | raster | khiraly1: to support lots of layouts |
| 11:10.05 | raster | for different uses, languages, people, preferences |
| 11:10.12 | doudou | i understood that new phone have touch screen, and can zoom with fingers, and pop kbd on screen, but this feature is not hardward, nor os, but depends of application |
| 11:10.21 | raster | you cant fit every key you want in 1 kbd layout and still sanly type on such a small sceen with your finers |
| 11:11.13 | khiraly1 | raster: but this types are hardcoded. I cant create a keyboard as "python" type, and defaults to python.dict |
| 11:11.27 | raster | you absolutely can |
| 11:11.28 | rhkfin | doudou: it can depend on app so that always when the app tells that a kbd is needed, it's popped out or you can map it to a HW button to launch whenever you want to. |
| 11:11.46 | raster | well from illums point of view you can |
| 11:11.55 | raster | not from thex kbd protocol |
| 11:12.01 | raster | as it uses enumerated types |
| 11:12.06 | raster | which can be expanded tho |
| 11:12.15 | raster | not sure uw ant a python layout |
| 11:12.20 | raster | you want a coding kbd |
| 11:12.24 | raster | with langage == python |
| 11:12.26 | raster | ie dict |
| 11:12.51 | rhkfin | raster: ha, so you define the default dict in the kbd file? |
| 11:12.57 | rhkfin | great to know! |
| 11:13.03 | doudou | the apps that i would like to use is xserver or at least putty, with finger zoom, and keyb on screen (even to use with a pen) |
| 11:13.11 | khiraly1 | I would like to ask illume from program, that please select python.dict, and after please select shell.dict. But I assume "patches welcomed" for this too;-P |
| 11:13.14 | rhkfin | doudou: putty is a windows app..? |
| 11:13.23 | doudou | so what phone should i buy for this? |
| 11:13.26 | rhkfin | But you can use terminal anyway with no probs.. |
| 11:13.37 | doudou | putty can be compiled under linux and symbian |
| 11:14.18 | rhkfin | doudou: I really don't understand what's the problem. FR with the latest OM2009 testing3 distribution has a on-screen keyboard and terminal |
| 11:14.44 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: terminal is really small. Im more thinking about changing caps lock to be special letters. So I could use the english layout where the capslock would switch to {}@[]()$;., etc symbols |
| 11:15.00 | doudou | but, if putty does not do finger zoom and kbd on screen, i wont be able to use it as i dont have your precise eyes |
| 11:15.26 | rhkfin | doudou: see http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/54707f1ec99d2f6d6dd0c84a1470fd7f.png - its the terminal with on-screen keyboard. There are zoom buttons on top to change the font size in the terminal window |
| 11:15.58 | rhkfin | doudou: so you can change the text size to HUGE |
| 11:16.33 | rhkfin | but I don't know if it's possible to zoom 'anything / all apps'. But I guess you can lower the resolution -> get thins bigger |
| 11:16.49 | khiraly1 | (13.15.57) rhkfin: doudou: so you can change the text size to HUGE <-- and it rewraps the lines |
| 11:17.04 | rhkfin | khiraly1: yes |
| 11:17.16 | rhkfin | doudou: I'll submit a new screenshot in a sec.. |
| 11:17.27 | khiraly1 | the zoom functionality would be pretty usefull by the way. I think iphone has it |
| 11:18.04 | rhkfin | doudou: see http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/76bea5c7f85ba266b6901ed1873cb160.png <- terminal with large font size |
| 11:18.25 | doudou | is there touch screen on this phone? |
| 11:18.30 | rhkfin | But yes, a magnifier glass wouldn't be bad. I'd think there's something around that'd be easy to compile on FR |
| 11:18.33 | rhkfin | doudou: yes |
| 11:18.49 | rhkfin | doudou: it only has two hardware buttons: AUX and power. |
| 11:18.57 | rhkfin | That's why there's the on-screen keyboard |
| 11:19.08 | khiraly1 | raster: found it. e_kbd_buf.c:249 e_kbd_buf_new |
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| 11:20.31 | khiraly1 | I need to find where you change the dict, and recreate a new kb pointer. I think I need to get a C for dummies book. Dont feel confident touching this code at all |
| 11:20.58 | rhkfin | thinks khiraly1 should touch paroli code :) |
| 11:21.34 | doudou | can i zoom with my fingers like with samsung or iphone? |
| 11:21.56 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: yepp. Its more easy, but I *want* this feature. Dont like my different dictionaries pollutes into the same dynamic dict. It does not make sense at all. |
| 11:21.58 | PaulFertser | doudou: no multitouch support on FR |
| 11:22.25 | khiraly1 | no multitouch, but much more precise |
| 11:22.46 | rhkfin | much more precise screen (but how about the precision of touchscreen?) |
| 11:23.09 | PaulFertser | rhkfin: resistive vs capacitive? Resisitive is much more precise. |
| 11:23.13 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: much more precise touchscreen. I just tried iphone, and sometimes it simply does not register my tapping. |
| 11:23.13 | doudou | how can i use it in my country? where will i find explanations? |
| 11:23.49 | rhkfin | PaulFertser: khiraly1 cool! |
| 11:23.56 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: probably because you try to tap with your nail? |
| 11:24.09 | PaulFertser | doudou: explanations of what? |
| 11:24.23 | khiraly1 | however iphone has lower resolution but 1.5 times bigger the screen in every direction. So much more comfortable to type on it. But the iphone's keyboard are not in the same league with illume keyboard. Its a real pain in the ass using (the iphone's) |
| 11:24.25 | doudou | anyway they sold all, next in 1 or 2 month |
| 11:24.38 | PaulFertser | doudou: have you ever wrote some sh-script? |
| 11:24.39 | rhkfin | doudou: you put the SIM card in and start using? Or do you mean in your local language? Not much localization has been done yet -> it's ~all in english |
| 11:24.47 | PaulFertser | doudou: if not probably FR is not for you. |
| 11:25.06 | doudou | i was looking at http://bearstech.com/shop#gta02 |
| 11:25.14 | rhkfin | doudou: it's still a developer phone that requires some linux hacking skills to use it.. |
| 11:25.19 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: dont know. Maybe my fingers are wet a bit, or charge electrically a bit. Sometimes the same happens with my laptop touchpad. I think the same technology |
| 11:25.23 | doudou | but the SIM card is not enought for internet |
| 11:25.24 | rhkfin | doudou: you can also buy it from other places, like pulster.de |
| 11:25.43 | doudou | i must know if it will work with phone providers |
| 11:25.43 | rhkfin | doudou: no, some hacking required.. |
| 11:25.48 | rhkfin | doudou: it does |
| 11:25.56 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: probably wet should be ok... |
| 11:26.12 | doudou | is there some explanations for .fr? |
| 11:26.21 | rhkfin | doudou: there's a forum.. wait.. |
| 11:26.39 | rhkfin | doudou: check http://openmoko-fr.org/ |
| 11:26.54 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: when this happens with my laptop touchpad, I simply rub my hands ;) |
| 11:26.59 | PaulFertser | doudou: i'd suggest to read wiki.openmoko.org instead. Stay away from web-forums! |
| 11:27.02 | rhkfin | On the forum they'll be able to answer your FR & .fr questions |
| 11:27.23 | PaulFertser | sees web-forums as useless harming places |
| 11:27.26 | rhkfin | PaulFertser: how about IRC :)? |
| 11:27.48 | doudou | thanks for all, seem interesting product for my use |
| 11:27.55 | doudou | thanks |
| 11:27.57 | PaulFertser | rhkfin: IRC is ok for quick interactive questions. |
| 11:28.00 | khiraly1 | doudou: think about a bit. Choose only freerunner if you can live with their deficiency. And buy only buzzfixed models (tuxbrain.com sell buzz fixed) |
| 11:28.12 | PaulFertser | rhkfin: and for spending time :) |
| 11:28.43 | rhkfin | PaulFertser: heh :) |
| 11:29.16 | rhkfin | doudou: but yes, wiki.openmoko.org is a place to surf for a day or two. lists.openmoko.org maybe too |
| 11:29.20 | doudou | well i like free, must accept some deficiencies now to gain advantages latter? |
| 11:29.27 | PaulFertser | doudou: no, really freerunner is still mostly for hacking not for using (though hackers use it as an everyday cellphone). |
| 11:29.32 | rhkfin | (and don't thell PaulFertser but also check the french sit :) |
| 11:29.33 | rhkfin | site :) |
| 11:30.04 | Weiss | doudou: basically, it turns out that making hardware and software for a fully functional phone which just works for everyone is really, really hard |
| 11:30.16 | khiraly1 | doudou: accept maybe freerunner will never be perfect. Just like with linux distributions, there is always some lack here and there. Broken wifi, not working touchpad. Always need a bit hand tuning at the end;) |
| 11:30.18 | rhkfin | doudou: don't expect to use it as a primary phone for the next 6 months at least |
| 11:30.58 | khiraly1 | doudou: buy it if you want to develop a custom application. (it is my case) |
| 11:31.03 | khiraly1 | like a dict or whatever |
| 11:31.03 | doudou | what i understand is that it may suit my needs (ssh xterm) the price if 320€ may be same than something else for a year (i dont know exactly how much is to have internet) |
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| 11:31.43 | khiraly1 | doudou: 269EUR btw. And at pulster is 249 EUR (without buzz fix) |
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| 11:32.48 | doudou | thanks i go to eat |
| 11:33.10 | khiraly1 | this online enlightenment source browser is not bad at all. Would be nice a "find in files" functionality |
| 11:33.36 | khiraly1 | but I can check out. Need to figure out how to compile illume. Seems like a huge job;-\ |
| 11:36.13 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: what about easy_e17? Or use OE? |
| 11:37.06 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: I only wnat to modify illume keyboard a bit. Never done any serious in C, and probably this will the only functionality what I will write into enlightenment;) |
| 11:37.43 | khiraly1 | if I can btw. Seems like a man-month for me. Studying C, and tinkering with the code |
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| 11:38.42 | Weiss | OE is much easier for compiling big things with many dependencies |
| 11:39.05 | khiraly1 | Weiss: why, should I recompile the whole E, when I wnat only modify the illume module of it? |
| 11:39.30 | PaulFertser | Weiss: he can debug his changes on host and then just send a patch to someone who can quickly apply it. |
| 11:40.03 | khiraly1 | whats for dicts-dynamic/data.dic? |
| 11:41.11 | khiraly1 | its about 5000 line of code (e_kbd*.c) does not seem impossible to decypher. About a month seems to be right. |
| 11:41.39 | khiraly1 | I will print it, and study and google and study and google and google, and google;)) |
| 11:42.54 | khiraly1 | I promised a patch for paroli too, I stop to babbling here. |
| 11:42.55 | khiraly1 | bbl |
| 11:43.20 | Weiss | if you're not cross-compiling, then it should be easier.. but configuring everything properly when cross-compiling can get seriously unpleasant |
| 11:44.28 | khiraly1 | Weiss: have some link to read? |
| 11:44.32 | khiraly1 | links |
| 11:45.01 | khiraly1 | I just need to figure out which code is called when I change dictionary. |
| 11:45.26 | khiraly1 | If I find it, I close the overlay keyboard(personal.dic) and reopen the right one (based on system dict name) |
| 11:46.01 | khiraly1 | If I see it right every function is in place (closing the overlay dict). Just need to find the right func and test and test;) |
| 11:46.08 | Weiss | not for E, i'm just making a general comment about cross-compiling things which have lots of dependencies |
| 11:46.27 | khiraly1 | a month seems to be right, knowing I do not have much C knowledge |
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| 11:55.42 | Weiss | it can be quite hard to judge these things.. you might also find it turns out to be really easy |
| 11:57.42 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 11:58.22 | Weiss | or you might run into something trivial and annoying :( |
| 11:58.25 | khiraly1 | not if you know, you hardly know anything about C;) So a month will be not even enough, if I dont get the pointers within a week;). |
| 11:58.29 | SpeedEvil | passes khiraly1 a book entitled 'Learn all programming languages in a week. (At the low low cost of only one soul)' |
| 11:59.11 | khiraly1 | I assume the actual work shouldn't be more than a half day with testing included.;) |
| 11:59.16 | CVirus | you can learn all programming languages in 24 hours |
| 11:59.19 | khiraly1 | ok. Enough talk. lets fight |
| 11:59.38 | SpeedEvil | passes CVirus the threaded intercal manual. |
| 11:59.47 | khiraly1 | CVirus: and native language too. Why? tomorrow is an exam?;) |
| 11:59.56 | CVirus | hehe |
| 12:00.18 | CVirus | talking about exams .. I got two of those tomorrow .. and a project evaluation in an hour |
| 12:01.44 | SpeedEvil | good luck. |
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| 13:33.19 | Arigead | Question about OM or maybe more generally Linux and Bluetooth. I got a bluetooth device (FrogPad) and keep having to repair the device everytime I want to use it, and when the Keyboard goes into powersave mode |
| 13:33.57 | Arigead | Well the question was is this normal and is there a way to tell Linux to automatically connect when it sees the device |
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| 14:00.54 | ndnihil | Arigead: that frogpad looks interesting, is it fairly easy to adapt to? |
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| 14:03.50 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: when will be out the beta4 of om2009? Im asking if it is today or tomorrow, I wont reinstall git and paroli on the device (take more than 2 hours) |
| 14:04.01 | khiraly1 | I have seen your recent commits and want to try it out. |
| 14:04.02 | rhkfin | ndnihil: the wiki has a great instruction for that |
| 14:04.39 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: not sure when the next testing comes, Angus bumped e and said it might break things we won't have a testing before that is stable |
| 14:04.44 | mirko-paroli | unstable comes daily |
| 14:05.41 | khiraly1 | does paroli still accepts zero length numbers? |
| 14:05.53 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: where? |
| 14:05.58 | khiraly1 | in Tele |
| 14:06.02 | mirko-paroli | it never did |
| 14:06.09 | khiraly1 | so pressing only on calling |
| 14:06.29 | mirko-paroli | check the source, 0 length is caught by edje |
| 14:06.35 | khiraly1 | + if hasattr(self.storage.window, "window") and app == 'Tele' and value !='' : |
| 14:06.36 | mirko-paroli | and never makes it to python |
| 14:06.39 | khiraly1 | ^^ I see it |
| 14:06.40 | khiraly1 | thanks |
| 14:06.45 | mirko-paroli | hu? |
| 14:06.49 | mirko-paroli | that is sth different |
| 14:07.05 | khiraly1 | hmm. |
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| 14:07.38 | khiraly1 | how could I press on the call button without a number in it? |
| 14:07.45 | mirko-paroli | hm? |
| 14:08.11 | khiraly1 | where is it in the code. Im curious how did you resolved. A pointer would be helpful |
| 14:09.18 | ndnihil | rhkfin: I was referring more to it being easy to use, when coming from a full size keyboard environment |
| 14:09.30 | mirko-paroli | paroli-applications/tele2/edje/default/dialpad_rev2.edc line 200 |
| 14:09.36 | rhkfin | ndnihil: ah, okay :) |
| 14:10.29 | khiraly1 | thx mirko-paroli, Im reading the code |
| 14:11.41 | khiraly1 | hmm. I have seen embryo says: ooops too little data in the logs |
| 14:11.53 | khiraly1 | Cant understand how it broke Tele2 application then |
| 14:12.02 | mirko-paroli | I can't either |
| 14:12.22 | mirko-paroli | as you can see, it never reaches anything that could lead to a halt in the UI |
| 14:13.22 | lord-carlos | Some one of you whant to buy a Freerunner + headphones? Location Germany or Denmark. Allmost new |
| 14:13.37 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: could you finally reproduce the bug? (calling, hangup, call with no number in it) |
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| 14:13.42 | khiraly1 | what was then? |
| 14:14.13 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: no i couldn't and it wouldn't make sense either |
| 14:14.37 | mirko-paroli | I tried |
| 14:14.40 | mirko-paroli | just to make sure |
| 14:14.42 | khiraly1 | doh! two of us could reproduce it. |
| 14:14.48 | mirko-paroli | I know |
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| 14:15.15 | mirko-paroli | you press the button really fast after you quit the call? |
| 14:15.18 | khiraly1 | call somebody, hit on End call, and hit again on the call. Does not work for you? |
| 14:15.30 | khiraly1 | dont know if it matters |
| 14:15.32 | khiraly1 | I'll try |
| 14:16.54 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: http://pastebin.ca/1420486 |
| 14:17.15 | khiraly1 | hmm |
| 14:17.22 | khiraly1 | I'll paste full log |
| 14:17.41 | khiraly1 | just need to restart the phone, because many paroli windows appeared:-( |
| 14:17.50 | khiraly1 | (when I hit on the call button |
| 14:17.52 | khiraly1 | ) |
| 14:17.57 | khiraly1 | with a number in it |
| 14:18.15 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: maybe I don't get the error because I did sth to fix it |
| 14:18.19 | mirko-paroli | I am running p from source |
| 14:18.34 | khiraly1 | im running vanilla om2009 testing |
| 14:19.11 | khiraly1 | om2009 20090508 |
| 14:19.39 | khiraly1 | I have the image. I will try it with newer testing image too |
| 14:20.08 | mirko-paroli | http://pastebin.ca/1420488 |
| 14:20.11 | khiraly1 | I dont wanna that this bug hides...;) |
| 14:21.15 | khiraly1 | o shit. I accidentally hit the enter pin button (the screen was blank) |
| 14:21.38 | mirko-paroli | I have to check that as well |
| 14:21.47 | mirko-paroli | it should actually ask you 3 times |
| 14:21.52 | khiraly1 | this is majos usability issue;-\ If you hit anything on the screen when its black, just make the backlight on, and dont register any button hit |
| 14:22.22 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: i'll quote raster here: patches are welcome |
| 14:22.46 | khiraly1 | doh |
| 14:22.48 | khiraly1 | ;) |
| 14:24.18 | khiraly1 | ok. I need to go to the shop, because it will be close within half an hour |
| 14:24.27 | khiraly1 | Im playing with the phone when walking |
| 14:24.40 | mirko-paroli | sure, enjoy |
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| 14:25.19 | khiraly1 | but I suspect this bug cause all the troubles what I have. So Im trying to help out |
| 14:25.41 | rhkfin | khiraly1: could you move to #paroli to talk about it, easier to read the backlog there with |
| 14:25.55 | rhkfin | no other discusson :) |
| 14:26.05 | khiraly1 | is there a #paroli channel? |
| 14:26.06 | khiraly1 | sure |
| 14:26.35 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: you could reproduce too the bug. Do you see in the logs embryo says too little data? |
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| 15:07.15 | ndnihil | http://www.roundsolutions.com/techdocs/aarlogic/c10/AarLogic-C10-datasheet.pdf |
| 15:07.24 | ndnihil | nifty |
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| 15:10.10 | slaxxer | alot of things have started because of openmoko |
| 15:10.19 | slaxxer | :) |
| 15:10.48 | ndnihil | telit and subsequently round solutions had open gsm stuff long before I had even heard of openmoko |
| 15:11.20 | ndnihil | just nothing put into an object resembling a phone |
| 15:11.22 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: funny how they call those miserable 2 pages a datasheet. |
| 15:11.23 | PaulFertser | :-/ |
| 15:11.44 | ndnihil | paul: yeah no joke |
| 15:12.02 | ndnihil | ive actually got one of telits quad band gsm modules |
| 15:12.12 | ndnihil | I was going to use a PSP screen and make a phone |
| 15:12.16 | ndnihil | never got around to it |
| 15:12.20 | ndnihil | then I stumbled on the moko |
| 15:12.27 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: But it's absolutely useless as an information source. Even SoC used is not mentioned :-/ |
| 15:12.28 | ndnihil | upon it rather |
| 15:13.08 | SpeedEvil | stabs 'datasheets' like that. |
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| 15:15.23 | ndnihil | I'll probably end up sticking the telit module in the car computer |
| 15:15.31 | ndnihil | lojack! |
| 15:16.31 | ndnihil | speaking of, anyone have a source for 40x1 red on black lcd modules? |
| 15:16.41 | ndnihil | 40x2 might even fit |
| 15:17.00 | ndnihil | damn things are near impossible to find in red on black |
| 15:17.16 | ndnihil | but it matches the lcd on the dash cluster, and the lcd on the radio |
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| 15:17.35 | PBeck_ | ahoi |
| 15:17.42 | ndnihil | arrr |
| 15:17.57 | ndnihil | takes a swig of rum |
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| 15:18.13 | PBeck_ | ndnihil: :) |
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| 15:24.20 | Sharwin_F | I've send a file from my nokia to the fr (using SHR unstable with obexftp and obexpush installed) and looks like it has been sent correctly, but I can't find the file in the Neo... :S |
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| 15:33.00 | m0nt0 | Sharwin_F, lol tried the same some time ago and i've lost my files too :D |
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| 15:46.33 | Sharwin_F | m0nt0, >.< |
| 15:46.54 | Sharwin_F | m0nt0, and did you arrived to a solution? xD |
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| 15:57.43 | slaxxer | hows the may 9 unstable shr work? |
| 15:58.57 | Sharwin_F | slaxxer, I've the last one, works well |
| 15:59.48 | m0nt0 | Sharwin_F, no, it was night |
| 15:59.50 | m0nt0 | :D |
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| 16:05.58 | slaxxer | so how to link the maps on sd to tango ,, i cant seem to make that happen |
| 16:06.13 | ndnihil | set your maps dir |
| 16:06.20 | ndnihil | in tango |
| 16:06.24 | slaxxer | errors on me |
| 16:06.30 | ndnihil | what error? |
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| 16:06.53 | slaxxer | as soon as i change to maps |
| 16:09.37 | slaxxer | stopped running unexpectedly |
| 16:09.52 | ndnihil | hrm |
| 16:09.57 | ndnihil | tries |
| 16:13.18 | ndnihil | hrm |
| 16:13.23 | ndnihil | does the same for me |
| 16:13.36 | ndnihil | when I click ok to save new map dir |
| 16:13.40 | ndnihil | it exits |
| 16:14.20 | ndnihil | *** on_combobox1_changed(): reponame: OSM http://tile.openstreetmap.org/%d/%d/%d.png |
| 16:14.24 | ndnihil | Segmentation fault |
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| 16:19.08 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * r2d04c8ad008d 10/fsonetworkd/ (20 files in 6 dirs): Initial skeleton of fsonetworkd |
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| 16:47.18 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07mickey/full-csd-handling * ra9f4779e0749 10framework/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/calling.py: |
| 16:47.18 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: CSD handling with external call handler part 2/3 done (outgoing) |
| 16:47.18 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Limitation: the state machine does not know about the additional state and will raise an execption, |
| 16:47.18 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: on everything call handling while the call handler is active. To end a call while the csd handler |
| 16:47.22 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: is still active, you can only use org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.ReleaseAll() |
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| 17:52.38 | skamster_ | hello all.. i want to develop one more again on the sms-reader, but i have gui-problems (first expiriences with gtk and python :s ) |
| 17:52.38 | skamster_ | http://pastebin.com/m4a7cbf6 |
| 17:53.08 | skamster_ | i want to make the label (self.text) in the full width, just a scrollbar should be on the left site of the label |
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| 17:53.35 | skamster_ | the spacer could be more bottom, also the buttons, to make it compact |
| 17:54.03 | skamster_ | i tried with tutorials, no idea, why it doesn't work.. |
| 17:54.03 | skamster_ | :s |
| 17:54.12 | skamster_ | may someone could help me? |
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| 17:56.11 | skamster_ | would be great, but i think, the code is terrible now.. i must clean it up, but first, i'm interessted, how it could work |
| 17:56.31 | skamster_ | *would be great, if someone had time to help and explain ;) |
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| 18:07.15 | skamster_ | could no one help me? |
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| 18:10.05 | Blu3 | sorry, not i :( |
| 18:11.24 | skamster_ | :( |
| 18:12.42 | naeg | possibly you will find more help in an gtk irc/forum |
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| 18:34.10 | Blackhex | Hello, what are valid instructions to get GPRS working on Om2009 (without paroli)? |
| 18:35.25 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: the same script that works with FSO... |
| 18:36.07 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: so the option 2? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS |
| 18:36.34 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: no! |
| 18:36.53 | Blackhex | ah yes this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO |
| 18:36.57 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO |
| 18:36.59 | PaulFertser | Yes |
| 18:37.07 | Blackhex | PaulFertser: thank you |
| 18:37.31 | ndnihil | I just use fso-settings and ~/.fso-settings.conf |
| 18:38.19 | PaulFertser | Blackhex: you're welcome. Don't forget that calypso has only 4 virtual channels and 3 of that are occupied by FSO (if you have any GSM app started and you must do that to use gprs). So if you add mickeyterm to it you'll be unable to start gprs. So, basically, don't try to use mickeyterm and GPRS at the same time. |
| 18:39.07 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: I guess your advice is better than mine, i'm of too hardcore type :) |
| 18:39.24 | ndnihil | heheh |
| 18:40.24 | ndnihil | that's the method listed on the shr tweaks page |
| 18:40.28 | ndnihil | and it's pretty convenient |
| 18:40.59 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: well, if it can be opkg installed from OM repos, nice. |
| 18:41.13 | ndnihil | not sure what repo its on |
| 18:41.22 | ndnihil | but I dont think its an official one |
| 18:41.52 | ndnihil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Framework-settings |
| 18:42.09 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: well, it's getting more complicated then. ;) You might as well suggest him to install the full set of SHR apps (including SHR Settings), though i'd do the opposite: installed SHR and git-cloned Paroli. |
| 18:42.11 | ndnihil | nope, someone elses |
| 18:44.26 | ndnihil | though, scripting something up would be good for DoD type scenarios anyway |
| 18:45.05 | ndnihil | hrm, what was that old daemon for that |
| 18:45.07 | ndnihil | diald? |
| 18:45.52 | ndnihil | wonder if I still have an old slackware install on a drive somewhere, been a while since I've used dialup |
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| 19:28.48 | slaxxer | i guess somebody is doing something because theres lots of packages being upgraded |
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| 19:45.35 | slaxxer | yea the shutdown menu works:) |
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| 19:51.37 | wurp2|working | slaxxer: In the latest SHR testing? |
| 19:53.16 | linuxxr | fso unstable |
| 19:53.48 | linuxxr | opkg upgraded a while ago |
| 19:54.16 | linuxxr | instead of a verticle line i get a menu again |
| 19:55.00 | linuxxr | no moocow though |
| 19:55.53 | linuxxr | i dont have a wifi settings though |
| 19:56.05 | linuxxr | no gui |
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| 20:02.15 | wurp2|working | linuxxr: thanks for the info |
| 20:02.30 | linuxxr | not much info |
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| 20:02.46 | linuxxr | i need info |
| 20:03.30 | linuxxr | i cant seem to make tango to find my maps on sd |
| 20:04.43 | wurp2|working | linuxxr: Where did the maps come from? A previous tango install? |
| 20:04.51 | linuxxr | yes |
| 20:05.31 | wurp2|working | I hope the dir structure didn't change meanwhile |
| 20:05.44 | linuxxr | should that be a problem? |
| 20:05.46 | wurp2|working | Can't you just download a map with your new install, look where it went, and move the old maps to that dir structure? |
| 20:06.00 | linuxxr | ok ill try that |
| 20:06.03 | wurp2|working | Well, if it puts maps in a different place, I would expect it wouldn't find them in the old place |
| 20:06.28 | wurp2|working | Most of our apps aren't quite to the maturity level to take upgrades seamlessly |
| 20:06.43 | linuxxr | it should find them where i tell it to find them |
| 20:06.48 | wurp2|working | true |
| 20:06.50 | wurp2|working | But... |
| 20:06.57 | wurp2|working | You're telling it the base of the dir structure |
| 20:07.15 | wurp2|working | and iirc tango creates nested numbered directories and puts the numbered maps in them |
| 20:07.22 | wurp2|working | I dunno if it also has meta information |
| 20:07.44 | wurp2|working | If that numbering scheme changed, you'd be hosed |
| 20:08.07 | linuxxr | so delete the maps dir from the sd card/ |
| 20:08.13 | linuxxr | ? |
| 20:08.24 | linuxxr | start over? |
| 20:08.39 | wurp2|working | That's the easiest solution |
| 20:08.50 | linuxxr | ok |
| 20:08.55 | wurp2|working | As in, the one that requires the least human effort. And probably the least time |
| 20:09.02 | linuxxr | ok |
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| 20:14.15 | linuxxr | tango wont let me change to /media/card/Maps |
| 20:14.25 | linuxxr | errors |
| 20:25.40 | wurp2|working | linuxxr: weird |
| 20:25.44 | wurp2|working | Does the directory exist? |
| 20:26.02 | dent | linuxxr: iirc a known issue |
| 20:26.03 | wurp2|working | I mean, I wouldn't expect it to matter |
| 20:26.36 | dent | (it crashes when user changes the dir in gui) |
| 20:26.43 | wurp2|working | dent: With that particular directory? Or just anything outside home... Oh |
| 20:27.00 | wurp2|working | I never do that :-) |
| 20:27.17 | dent | wurp2|working: changing it in gui makes it die |
| 20:27.39 | dent | I read on some list it has2do with gconf2 somehow |
| 20:28.09 | wurp2|working | Removing the option might make sense if it just crashes when you use it :-) |
| 20:28.25 | dent | or... not sure, but it was mentioned on a shr mailing list |
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| 20:28.40 | Blu3 | hmmm, what's the alsa ctl for "very bad feedback" complaint from someone on the other end of the phone? |
| 20:28.49 | dent | wurp2|working: fixing it would make sense |
| 20:29.03 | wurp2|working | dent: well, fixing would be nice |
| 20:29.16 | dent | iirc installing some pkg makes it behave ok again |
| 20:29.21 | wurp2|working | but if it's an issue in gconf2 then the python dev on tango may not really be in a position to fix it |
| 20:29.28 | wurp2|working | Oh, just a missing dependency |
| 20:29.39 | wurp2|working | In that case I completely agree with you |
| 20:29.51 | dent | (im in bed, ircing from the fr, so Im not searching through the list2find) |
| 20:30.13 | wurp2|working | dent: Ouch! Typing on the software keyboard? |
| 20:30.46 | wurp2|working | Blu3: Last time I messed with it it required multiple controls... I assume by feedback you mean echo? |
| 20:30.57 | dent | wurp2|working: yup |
| 20:30.59 | wurp2|working | Or it it squeals, like an amp loop |
| 20:31.09 | wurp2|working | dent: You're a braver man than I |
| 20:31.26 | dent | lol |
| 20:33.32 | Blu3 | wurp, i got it, using pymixer, set mic2 to nearly off |
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| 20:34.47 | fredrin | ~seen dave |
| 20:34.50 | apt | dave <n=dave@pool-138-89-1-87.mad.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 26d 18h 53m 35s ago, saying: 'hahaa'. |
| 20:35.02 | Sharwin_F- | teh CIA got dave... xD |
| 20:35.09 | fredrin | i start to think that |
| 20:35.11 | fredrin | too |
| 20:35.23 | fredrin | the only stable thing at #openmoko |
| 20:36.24 | fredrin | when are projects going to start to merge, i would like to see a Hybrid Stable Hybrid Release of SHR and Paroli :) |
| 20:36.52 | fredrin | Paroli is fast for phone things |
| 20:37.04 | fredrin | shr is good for build environment and got a comunity |
| 20:37.45 | fredrin | merge shr-settings with paroli settings |
| 20:38.05 | fredrin | even though i'm a bit confused by paroli and tichy |
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| 20:45.44 | wurp2|working | Blu3: Cool, I will remember that |
| 20:45.55 | wurp2|working | Blu3: I know in dictator mic2 is *completely* off |
| 20:46.07 | Blu3 | *nod* |
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| 20:59.03 | wurp2|working | Does anyone know of a good matte screen protector for FR? I'm thinking that plus an icon to switch to 100% brightness + a black background could make it much more readable outdoors. |
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| 21:00.38 | dent | what's the current state of shr-unstable? |
| 21:01.19 | dent | Im using the fr as my main phone, so Im a bit wary of upgrades... |
| 21:02.23 | rhkfin | dent: I'm using OM2009 & paroli as my main phone |
| 21:02.27 | rhkfin | works good |
| 21:02.35 | rhkfin | (as a phone) (or at least OK :) |
| 21:02.45 | Blu3 | dent, i'm using -unstable and for 99% of the time it works fine |
| 21:02.46 | fredrin | why dont shr use paroli? |
| 21:03.04 | Blu3 | read that as: 500% more reliable than a windows phone |
| 21:03.24 | max_posedon | fredrin, why it should? |
| 21:03.25 | Blu3 | even if it pisses me off now and then :) |
| 21:03.31 | dent | Blu3: suspend works ok? |
| 21:03.36 | fredrin | it so much faster for phone things |
| 21:03.53 | Blu3 | 99% of the time. the only time i've had problems is when i have gprs up and pidgin is running |
| 21:04.00 | wurp2|working | fredrin: Well, paroli didn't exist even as a plan when SHR was started |
| 21:04.01 | Blu3 | sometimes it causes a kernel oops |
| 21:04.08 | rhkfin | fredrin: if interested in Paroli, you're welcome to #paroli to discuss it, too |
| 21:04.19 | Blu3 | if pidgin isn't running then it's rock solid w/ suspend & resume |
| 21:04.23 | fredrin | wurp2|working: but now it does :) |
| 21:04.44 | fredrin | rhkfin: mmkay, a own channel |
| 21:04.46 | wurp2|working | fredrin: Yeah, but none of the SHR folks have used it enough to feel confident in it :-) |
| 21:04.47 | dent | Blu3: great, thx |
| 21:05.02 | Blu3 | no prob |
| 21:05.04 | fredrin | but a merge should be possible |
| 21:05.31 | Blu3 | all in all, gta02 + shr is a usable daily phone with some rough edges |
| 21:05.33 | dent | one more thing: I hear abou odd line breaks in typing smses - how bad is it? |
| 21:05.42 | fredrin | blue3 true |
| 21:05.55 | wurp2|working | fredrin: Right, but you'll have to convince someone in SHR that paroli is better before it will happen |
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| 21:06.34 | dent | Blu3: I have been on shr for some time, just... investigating befoee upgrade:) |
| 21:06.57 | Blu3 | i recommend making a copy of your flash before doing the upgrade |
| 21:07.28 | fredrin | wurp2|working: i guess, but now it's not better, the shr apps for phone things got more features, but like starting to eks merging settings of shr to settngs of paroli |
| 21:07.29 | Blu3 | upgrades can be ... painful. opkg is not the sweetest of package managers and a lot of packaging is also transitional |
| 21:07.53 | fredrin | wurp2|working: but it's sooo slow, compared. |
| 21:08.04 | wurp2|working | fredrin: I mean convince them that the phone app is better |
| 21:08.10 | dent | Blu3: I lagged too much, I'll just back up data and reflash |
| 21:08.19 | Blu3 | aye |
| 21:08.29 | wurp2|working | It has contact support, SMS, dialer, incoming call id, stability, speed, works on FSO? |
| 21:08.37 | fredrin | my phone kneels when starting the mesg app and playing the sound at the same time |
| 21:09.13 | wurp2|working | dent: mwester was suggesting tar xzaf <image>, then rsync -a to the flash card |
| 21:09.24 | wurp2|working | which should be faster and less card wear |
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| 21:10.04 | dent | wurp2|working: interesting |
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| 21:11.17 | linuxxr | intrestring paroli noise:) |
| 21:11.23 | dent | I managed to lose a 4gb uSD card recently btw :-/ those things are too small:) |
| 21:11.41 | linuxxr | great marketing |
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| 21:12.03 | fredrin | linuxxr: eh? |
| 21:12.17 | linuxxr | those micro sd cards |
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| 21:12.22 | wurp2|working | dent: Just always keep them in SD adapters. They seem to be dirt cheap |
| 21:12.53 | wurp2|working | At least, often it's the same price for me to get a micro with SD adapter as it is to get just the micro |
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| 21:29.54 | linuxxr | yea paroli |
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| 23:06.59 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r773aa0b005a8 10/framework/subsystems/odeviced/kernel26.py: |
| 23:06.59 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: kernel26: check whether the battery is actually present before evaluating the capacity |
| 23:06.59 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: This should fix the infamous shutdown when you use a GTA01 battery in GTA02. |
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| 23:15.28 | tonyg | hi all. is anyone here still using a GTA01? |
| 23:20.29 | eolson | yes :) |
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| 23:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 23:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | (not me though ;) |
| 23:44.48 | SpeedEvil | only has GTA01. |
| 23:45.03 | SpeedEvil | Thogh I'm not using it much ATM - way too much boring stuff to do. |
| 23:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | hi SpeedEvil :-) |
| 23:45.23 | SpeedEvil | hi |
| 23:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | how's baloon business (or am I wrong?) |
| 23:46.06 | SpeedEvil | not that |
| 23:46.29 | SpeedEvil | I'm currently involved in attempting to get my house/garden in a sane state before going on with other projects |
| 23:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | but baloon being one of those, no? |
| 23:47.14 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/garden.jpg - about 500m^2 of weeding. Got about 5 of those big 1000l builders bags full of assorted rubbish |
| 23:47.16 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 23:47.38 | SpeedEvil | that's a fun project, not a boring one. |
| 23:47.52 | SpeedEvil | And then insulating my house and installing/manufacturing new windows |
| 23:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | it's one of yours anyway |
| 23:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | a few days ago some school classes pupils made it to German news with a baloon with transmitter that reached 50.000m |
| 23:50.18 | SpeedEvil | I really doubt it |
| 23:50.26 | SpeedEvil | 50000ft, maybe |
| 23:50.37 | DocScrutinizer | maybe translation error |
| 23:50.45 | SpeedEvil | 50Km is basically horribly complex to get to with balloons |
| 23:50.52 | SpeedEvil | 30-35Km is 'easy' |
| 23:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | I was buffled as well |
| 23:51.29 | SpeedEvil | Easy as in buy a weather balloon, fill it with helium at about 100g lift more than your payload, and launch. |
| 23:52.01 | SpeedEvil | recovering the payload is the more tricky bit |
| 23:52.29 | SpeedEvil | involving GPS, hunting the grounded payload, weather prediction of upper atmosphere winds, ... |
| 23:53.00 | SpeedEvil | And as a last backup a 'if found, please phone xxxx for reward' in big letters on the side |
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| 23:54.39 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ukhas.org.uk/ |
| 23:54.55 | SpeedEvil | (website of uk balloon projects) |
