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| 00:19.09 | qknight | my graphics seems to be very slow |
| 00:19.18 | qknight | as using a nvidia card with the nv driver |
| 00:19.22 | qknight | is that 'normal'? |
| 00:19.30 | qknight | neo freerunner i'm using |
| 00:23.52 | SpeedEvil | umm |
| 00:24.00 | SpeedEvil | you mean in qemu? |
| 00:27.35 | qknight | no on the moko |
| 00:27.47 | qknight | for example if i try to move a menu slider on shr |
| 00:27.54 | qknight | from off to on |
| 00:28.04 | qknight | it seems to last ages until the graphic is drawn |
| 00:29.44 | frankS2 | WHY WHY WHY |
| 00:29.46 | frankS2 | OM 2008... |
| 00:29.47 | frankS2 | ofcourse i cant type in my pin code |
| 00:29.55 | frankS2 | when the keyboard only have a-z |
| 00:29.57 | frankS2 | and not 0-9 |
| 00:30.11 | ndnihil | no terminal keyboard? |
| 00:30.31 | qknight | frankS2: don't use OM maybe? |
| 00:30.44 | frankS2 | ndnihil: no |
| 00:31.02 | frankS2 | qknight: what other distro then? why did they even make a distro that dont allow you to type in PIN |
| 00:32.33 | qknight | shr |
| 00:33.24 | frankS2 | qknight: tried that, it wont allow me to make calls, only receive |
| 00:34.12 | frankS2 | this phone seriously... sucks |
| 00:34.12 | frankS2 | its going in the trash bin |
| 00:37.50 | qknight | it is no phone |
| 00:37.56 | qknight | it still has development satus |
| 00:37.58 | qknight | status |
| 00:42.55 | frankS2 | yes but as you read on topic too "models continius with limited forces" |
| 00:42.58 | frankS2 | so i guess |
| 00:43.02 | frankS2 | maybe in 1 year it will be usable |
| 00:43.07 | frankS2 | if its not dead |
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| 00:45.56 | frankS2 | if only everyone could just focus on 1 distro instead of making theyr own |
| 00:46.01 | frankS2 | it would be a uber phone by now |
| 00:47.02 | qknight | that is an illusion |
| 00:47.31 | qknight | if you want a phone just buy a nokia |
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| 01:34.06 | frankS2 | contacts and dialer segfaults |
| 01:34.08 | frankS2 | great |
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| 01:35.48 | frankS2 | lets try another distro |
| 01:36.44 | frankS2 | ok when i hit "call" in SHR |
| 01:36.47 | frankS2 | it dials |
| 01:36.52 | frankS2 | but then hangup 2seconds later |
| 01:37.00 | frankS2 | anyone else has this problem? |
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| 06:23.27 | khiraly1 | re |
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| 07:12.38 | methril|work | morning |
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| 07:43.21 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:48.34 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: you there? |
| 07:49.17 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: I have cooked a patch (for the privacy). But didnt tried out (yet), because I just put on the zagg invisible shield |
| 07:49.24 | khiraly1 | (and need a day to dry out) |
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| 08:09.30 | mirko-paroli | hi khiraly1 nice |
| 08:09.38 | mirko-paroli | how does it work? |
| 08:09.46 | mirko-paroli | do you go through the output and delete numbers? |
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| 08:10.16 | khiraly1 | http://pastebin.com/m3f388a18 |
| 08:10.20 | khiraly1 | the diff |
| 08:10.27 | khiraly1 | it is untested right now |
| 08:11.03 | khiraly1 | I added a config option, and injected the obfuscation into TelNumber class |
| 08:11.20 | mirko-paroli | i think the get_text method is used to get numbers from the phonebook and dial them |
| 08:11.52 | khiraly1 | 2009-05-08 12:49:39,486 Tele INFO 0620xxxxx90 |
| 08:11.59 | khiraly1 | ^^ this is a line from the log. |
| 08:12.18 | mirko-paroli | I am not saying that it doens't do what you want it to do |
| 08:12.32 | mirko-paroli | I am just saying it might also do stuff you don |
| 08:12.37 | mirko-paroli | 't want it to do |
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| 08:13.26 | khiraly1 | tele2.py:83 |
| 08:13.37 | khiraly1 | Yepp, I need to test it, what else breaks |
| 08:15.15 | khiraly1 | if it breaks I will create a get_text_for_log or something function, and I will replace every logger.info(number.get_text()) with it |
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| 08:17.19 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: you could just kick the number out of the logging part |
| 08:17.39 | mirko-paroli | if I haven't done so already |
| 08:17.41 | mirko-paroli | ;) |
| 08:20.14 | khiraly1 | but maybe it is usefull sometime |
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| 08:23.05 | khiraly1 | ok. I will test it, and debug. But this is the part of the code to tinker with;) |
| 08:24.25 | mirko-paroli | sure either way works for me, it is a nice-to-have feature |
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| 08:26.23 | khiraly1 | ok.;) |
| 08:27.03 | khiraly1 | Had you chance to read my bugreports? |
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| 08:27.11 | mirko-paroli | still working on them |
| 08:27.20 | khiraly1 | (I have switched to my old phone:-\) |
| 08:27.21 | mirko-paroli | trying to reproduce and such |
| 08:28.45 | khiraly1 | A programming question: I have done an application in the past, and made a "trace" function. In every method I wrote logging.trace("filename.py->methodname") |
| 08:29.11 | khiraly1 | And I switched on/off the logging of it. So I could immediatly tell how the program got there |
| 08:29.35 | khiraly1 | I found it pretty useful, but maybe Im just a python noob lacking proper debugging knowledge;) |
| 08:29.39 | geaaru | hi, i'm try to boot new kernel for gta01 on my device and with a 8gb minisd. The only way to boot an image from a 8gb minisd is use rootfs partition to save kernel |
| 08:29.52 | geaaru | and then set kernel argument to read from minisd |
| 08:30.09 | geaaru | but what are command to use on u-boot? |
| 08:30.48 | geaaru | to save kernel on rootfs and use it is only needed write kernel on rootfs and use nand.e to read kernel from rootfs? |
| 08:31.15 | khiraly1 | (In the logging, I had, INFO, WARN, ERR, TRACE). |
| 08:32.00 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: does it make sense? Maybe it slows further down paroli. But for hardly reproducible bug its very handy. |
| 08:33.19 | PaulFertser | geaaru: i thought that there exists a version of u-boot for GTA01 with SDHC support. |
| 08:34.46 | geaaru | sometimes ago, there aren't support for 8gb minisd.. now is there support to 8gb minisd? |
| 08:35.09 | PaulFertser | geaaru: and yes, you can use nand.e to read the kernel from any NAND partition, but don't forget that it reads only 2M by default and that you need to give proper (root=/dev/mmcblk0p1) bootargs. |
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| 08:35.18 | PaulFertser | geaaru: yep, someone annonced it here. |
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| 08:39.15 | geaaru | ah ok, i try thanks for all replies... but for nand.e... if i want read only new kernel 2349820 (byte) of i can do that? nand.e 0x3200000 rootfs (size?) |
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| 08:43.32 | PaulFertser | geaaru: yes, and you can specify 3000000 |
| 08:43.46 | PaulFertser | geaaru: (so if it's more than you need, it's still ok) |
| 08:43.57 | geaaru | k thank you very much |
| 08:44.29 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: I think I don't really get your question |
| 08:44.34 | PaulFertser | geaaru: hth |
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| 08:45.29 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: the basic idea, is log every method call into a file. So when the app crashes somewhere we can trace it back until the start of application. |
| 08:45.48 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: for debugging that sounds usefull |
| 08:46.11 | PaulFertser | http://docs.python.org/library/trace.html |
| 08:47.09 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: because a backtrace only gives you the last action, where the program failed. But if the bug has some "state", it hard to understand |
| 08:47.19 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: Im on it, thanks for the link. |
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| 08:55.14 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: so basically (if I understand right) we can create a Trace object, which then start paroli, and supervises it |
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| 08:55.58 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: for debugging purposes i'd just start python with trace module from command line like on the first example. |
| 08:56.19 | khiraly1 | python -m trace --count somefile.py ... |
| 08:56.20 | khiraly1 | ^^this? |
| 08:56.30 | PaulFertser | Yeah |
| 08:57.12 | khiraly1 | python -m trace --count paroli --cfgfile ./paroli.cfg |
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| 08:57.36 | khiraly1 | ^^ I will try it later tonight, when I can switch on freerunner |
| 09:03.47 | geaaru | but is it normal that if i try to write kernel on rootfs i receive "unable to read DFU status" ? |
| 09:04.15 | geaaru | and dfu_download error -110 |
| 09:04.23 | PaulFertser | geaaru: i guess no :-/ |
| 09:04.42 | geaaru | :'( |
| 09:05.16 | PaulFertser | geaaru: i guess either you're doing it wrong or you can't write anything (including a real rootfs) there... |
| 09:05.38 | PaulFertser | geaaru: as usual check your usb cable, get rid of the hub etc... |
| 09:06.15 | geaaru | yes yes, error is received only if i try to write kernel on rootfs ... if i write a rootfs image or a kernel on kernel partition works fine |
| 09:06.55 | geaaru | but finished! is printed in all cases |
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| 09:08.14 | PaulFertser | geaaru: does your kernel image have DFU footer? |
| 09:08.37 | PaulFertser | geaaru: raw uimage is not enough. |
| 09:09.02 | geaaru | i don't know, what is a dfu footer? |
| 09:09.17 | PaulFertser | geaaru: you need mkudfu utility to prepare an image that can be DFU'd. |
| 09:09.53 | geaaru | mmm...so uImage-xxx.bin from openmoko websiste must be DFU'd with mkudfu? |
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| 09:10.26 | PaulFertser | geaaru: probably yes, probably no, i don't know where and how they're built. |
| 09:10.45 | geaaru | k, still thanks |
| 09:10.50 | PaulFertser | geaaru: do i understand it right that you want to flash some larger kernel to a rootfs partition because kernel partition is too small? |
| 09:11.01 | geaaru | yes |
| 09:11.07 | PaulFertser | geaaru: and are you sure the kernel is for GTA01? |
| 09:12.01 | PaulFertser | geaaru: $(MKUDFU) -v ${UDFU_VID} -p ${UDFU_PID} -r ${UDFU_REV} -d ${IMAGE} ${UDFU_IMAGE} where UDFU_VID = 0x1457 UDFU_PID = 0x5119 UDFU_REV = 0x0240 for GTA01 |
| 09:12.05 | PaulFertser | Easy |
| 09:12.21 | geaaru | yes, for example last uImage from shr-testing is about 2.2M that is too big for gta01 kernel partition |
| 09:14.08 | PaulFertser | geaaru: i guess the easiest way to obtain mkudfu is to git-clone Qi sources. |
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| 09:16.30 | geaaru | ah ok, in downloading... :) |
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| 09:21.53 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 09:23.08 | DocScrutinizer | how is GTA01 supposed to boot kernel from rootfs partition? |
| 09:23.23 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: why not? u-boot env can be altered to read it from there... |
| 09:23.50 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i mean, you loose most of the nand as it becomes an exteremely large kernel partition but it's still better than nothing ;) |
| 09:23.57 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, yes. and how would you cram real rootfs to same partition? |
| 09:24.06 | PaulFertser | Rootfs on uSD |
| 09:24.25 | geaaru | :'( some error yet with image created by mkudfu, strange... |
| 09:24.29 | mjr | sounds like a better idea would be to repartition if one wants a rootfs on nand :] |
| 09:24.31 | Zorkman | lol, you can have a really big fat kernel in that case :) |
| 09:24.53 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest to have a small initial kernel in kernel partition |
| 09:25.00 | XorA | DocScrutinizer: u-boot can read jffs2 so you can just put the kernel in /boot (where in fact it already resides) |
| 09:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | then use kexec |
| 09:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | to boot to real kernel comprised in rootfs |
| 09:25.23 | mjr | can it? okay then |
| 09:25.46 | DocScrutinizer | XorA: even better |
| 09:25.59 | PaulFertser | XorA: wow, never though it can do it (i got used to Qi simplicity) :) |
| 09:26.07 | XorA | DocScrutinizer: reason it wasnt done like that is jffs2 support is SLOW!!!!!!! |
| 09:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | ahh, I see. thanks for clarification |
| 09:26.52 | mjr | no doubt, it'll have to build the jffs structure into memory, mostly at least... |
| 09:27.27 | geaaru | so what are uboot command to read uImage from jffs2 rootfs partition? |
| 09:27.34 | geaaru | s/command/commands |
| 09:28.20 | XorA | fsload |
| 09:28.31 | XorA | I think |
| 09:28.46 | XorA | most recently used it on avr32 board so command might be different |
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| 09:29.17 | XorA | doesnt have a gta01 to hand |
| 09:29.33 | geaaru | k i try, thanks |
| 09:31.08 | XorA | this was also u-boot from 2.5 - 3 years ago, maybe it improved since |
| 09:31.31 | ndnihil | woot, ngw100? |
| 09:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | XorA: wow, did it work with punchcards? :-) |
| 09:32.47 | methril|work | thinks that openmoko u-boot need a revission/update :) |
| 09:32.50 | Zorkman | haha |
| 09:33.11 | Zorkman | punchcards would probably be an improvement :) |
| 09:33.13 | XorA | DocScrutinizer: hehe maybe, the first gta01 I ever had was hand soldered hack job |
| 09:33.14 | methril|work | i only have to found the time to take a look |
| 09:33.24 | XorA | DocScrutinizer: without even a working screen |
| 09:33.41 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 09:34.31 | XorA | ndnihil: yes a ngw100 |
| 09:34.41 | ndnihil | cool |
| 09:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | XorA: well we got no working screen today XD |
| 09:34.46 | ndnihil | have half a dozen of them sitting here |
| 09:34.57 | XorA | DocScrutinizer: full circle development |
| 09:35.18 | XorA | DocScrutinizer: broonie might even still have that original model :-), it even had a different wolfson codec |
| 09:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | gta01av3? |
| 09:36.33 | XorA | I think so yeah |
| 09:36.45 | XorA | wm8960 or something for the codec |
| 09:37.17 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, seen datasheets somewhere on fileserver |
| 09:38.08 | XorA | DocScrutinizer: I also keep forgetting to pick up that battery to post it |
| 09:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 09:46.59 | khiraly1 | this Zagg invisible shield protector is not as good as advertised. And definietly not invisible;-\ Full of white dots everywhere |
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| 09:50.41 | Zorkman | khiraly1: no white dots here |
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| 09:55.24 | khiraly1 | Zorkman: should I wait more days, maybe it is disappearing? |
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| 09:58.34 | Zorkman | khiraly1: no idea.. I had no problem wiht them... did you use the litthe thingy to remove the airbubbles? |
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| 10:02.31 | khiraly1 | you mean I do not have air bubbles under it |
| 10:02.43 | khiraly1 | s/you mean// |
| 10:03.24 | khiraly1 | in fact the air bubbles what I have are a fraction of millimeter. So looks like a dot |
| 10:03.30 | khiraly1 | I'll make a photo |
| 10:10.50 | khiraly1 | http://khiraly.googlepages.com/IMG_3882.JPG |
| 10:11.05 | khiraly1 | none of them are real air bubbles |
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| 10:18.37 | Zorkman | khiraly1: how long ago have you applied the screenprotector? |
| 10:18.56 | Zorkman | I thought the invisibleshield site states that small bubbles will remove themself aftera day |
| 10:19.12 | Zorkman | although it seems like rather big bubbles in your case.... |
| 10:19.52 | khiraly1 | 3 hours ago. But I applied yesterday for the back cover |
| 10:19.56 | khiraly1 | and didnt improved since |
| 10:19.57 | thrashold | Is the invisble shield only for the screen, or I can cover the rest of the phone? |
| 10:20.07 | khiraly1 | thrashold: look at the photo |
| 10:20.47 | thrashold | I see |
| 10:20.49 | thrashold | very cool |
| 10:21.17 | thrashold | Is it hard to apply, cause I have very unsteady hands? Should I ask some friend to do it for me :) |
| 10:22.16 | khiraly1 | Zorkman: is it possible that I used too much soap creme? (the spray what comes with) |
| 10:24.38 | Zorkman | thrashold: you can choose: full body or screen only |
| 10:24.43 | Zorkman | khiraly1: i honestly don't know... |
| 10:26.52 | khiraly1 | would be nice to see somebody else's result |
| 10:27.00 | khiraly1 | Zorkman: have a camera?;) |
| 10:28.15 | Zorkman | khiraly1: nope, i'm sorry |
| 10:28.26 | Zorkman | i have mu invisble shield for +/-10 months |
| 10:28.31 | Zorkman | screen is perfect |
| 10:28.55 | Zorkman | the full body has a little bit of white on the edges |
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| 10:37.51 | khiraly1 | lifetime garantee does not cover installation errors. And Im required to send them back the original. Not much fun sending back to the USA from europe |
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| 10:38.34 | khiraly1 | costs more than a new one.;-\ |
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| 10:39.27 | khiraly1 | Im waiting some days, maybe it will disappear, and live with it. I hate warranties, there are always backdoor installed by default;) |
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| 11:02.37 | Zorkman | khiraly1: withouth that backdoor, if I were a competitor of Zagg, I would buy 2 million protectors and wrongly applie them and ask my money back ;) |
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| 11:03.28 | khiraly1 | or should simply back 2 screenprotector into that *big* packet, so If I apply one wrongly, I had an another one. |
| 11:03.54 | khiraly1 | This protector seems a piece of silicon film. Costs a fraction of dollar;) |
| 11:04.41 | khiraly1 | I do not care for the other parts (yes maybe just me applying it stupidely), but for the screen I do care a lot. |
| 11:05.48 | khiraly1 | .....simply Pack 2 scree..... |
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| 11:22.38 | SpeedEvil | good protectors are not silicone film, but a laminated silicone jelly and a plastic topcoat, optionally with some hardcoat and AR stufdf |
| 11:28.48 | khiraly1 | AR? |
| 11:30.52 | SpeedEvil | Anti Reflection |
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| 11:32.50 | PaulFertser | Guys, the third thing to buy (after the the bicycle itself; helmet, taillight and some proper sportswear) are step-in (aka clip-in/less) pedals! That's truely amazing, try it! |
| 11:33.26 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: I love falling down with it |
| 11:33.43 | SpeedEvil | electric conversion kit. |
| 11:34.15 | khiraly1 | especially when does not "clip off" |
| 11:34.17 | SpeedEvil | http://www.recumbents.com/WISIL/shumaker/default.htm |
| 11:34.21 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: well, after i was comfortable with it i fell once or twice and it didn't make that any worse. |
| 11:34.22 | SpeedEvil | though verily not a kit |
| 11:35.28 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: but it does improve your style. My girlfriend for example pedals with the middle of her feet |
| 11:35.36 | khiraly1 | almost with the heel |
| 11:35.37 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: oh boy |
| 11:35.58 | PaulFertser | You gotta teach hear manners ;) |
| 11:37.07 | khiraly1 | cant. Its like your walking. You cant improve it anymore if you already grown up |
| 11:37.19 | khiraly1 | She used to it |
| 11:37.28 | khiraly1 | but its really bad, especially for the knees |
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| 11:38.41 | khiraly1 | (13.33.43) SpeedEvil: electric conversion kit. <- I have built one myself. From a cruiser bike |
| 11:38.53 | khiraly1 | It goes about 48km/h. Pretty speedy |
| 11:39.00 | khiraly1 | And about 45km/charge |
| 11:41.28 | khiraly1 | and I prefer to pedaling when I go with electric motor. It adds about 5km/h to your top speed:-D |
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| 11:43.25 | PaulFertser | Heh, looks like i'm the offtopic guy, i used to talk about philosophy during maths classes, about maths during philosophy, about programming and stuff on wedding and about politics at #openmoko-cdevel. |
| 11:43.38 | badcloud | hey all |
| 11:43.59 | badcloud | has anyone got a minute? all of a sudden, I can't ping my fr for some reason |
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| 11:44.27 | badcloud | network con manager claims to connect |
| 11:44.46 | badcloud | From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 11:45.36 | badcloud | ping google.com works fine on host |
| 11:45.37 | khiraly1 | badcloud: For me network manager connects to freerunner, and I can even ssh into, but after one minutes it reconnects, and I need to issue the command one more time |
| 11:45.49 | khiraly1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.53 | khiraly1 | ^^ this command |
| 11:46.33 | badcloud | doesn't work... |
| 11:46.56 | badcloud | I even /etc/init.d/networking restart on the fr |
| 11:46.57 | badcloud | no change |
| 11:46.59 | PaulFertser | badcloud: dump con manager, do everything from command line. Check ifconfig, check route. |
| 11:47.12 | PaulFertser | badcloud: both on host and FR |
| 11:47.35 | badcloud | on fr--> ifup usb0? |
| 11:49.21 | PaulFertser | badcloud: why ifup? ifconfig to check parameters |
| 11:50.50 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: does Angus Ainslie hang around in irc? (nickname?) |
| 11:51.35 | badcloud | host: http://pastebin.com/m7c017ac8 |
| 11:52.19 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: nytowl |
| 11:52.32 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: catch him at #openmoko-cdevel |
| 11:52.42 | khiraly1 | ok;) |
| 11:53.26 | PaulFertser | badcloud: and ifconfig eth1 (on host)? |
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| 11:54.03 | badcloud | http://pastebin.com/m770d9c2e |
| 11:55.09 | PaulFertser | badcloud: check FR configuration then, host looks correct to me |
| 11:55.26 | badcloud | fr: http://pastebin.com/m5183128f |
| 11:55.44 | badcloud | (hope it's accurate as I had to copy it by hand) |
| 11:56.41 | badcloud | should there be two 'usb0' instances? |
| 11:57.58 | PaulFertser | badcloud: here's the table from my FR http://rafb.net/p/BxnJUQ37.html |
| 11:57.58 | badcloud | device is charging via usb, by the way |
| 11:58.32 | badcloud | how do I alter mine? |
| 11:59.00 | PaulFertser | badcloud: but yours should be ok too... "route del -net 192.168.0.200; route add default gw 192.168.0.200" |
| 11:59.53 | badcloud | 'invalid argument' |
| 12:00.33 | badcloud | but it reverted to default |
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| 12:01.57 | PaulFertser | badcloud: are you sure it's not the problem with your iptables? |
| 12:01.58 | badcloud | still host unreachable |
| 12:02.13 | badcloud | I wish I knew more about this... |
| 12:02.19 | khiraly1 | badcloud: cant ping from the host? host->freerunner? |
| 12:02.27 | badcloud | khiraly1, right |
| 12:02.37 | khiraly1 | you can, or you cant? |
| 12:02.43 | badcloud | cannot |
| 12:02.50 | PaulFertser | badcloud: i'd suggest you also remove from host this line: 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 12:03.00 | khiraly1 | neither from host->freerunner, nor freerunner->host ? |
| 12:03.34 | badcloud | neither |
| 12:03.58 | PaulFertser | badcloud: i don't remember in which order conflicting rules are used. You better go without a conflict. |
| 12:04.12 | badcloud | Paul, is there a config file to remove the line? |
| 12:04.22 | badcloud | or do I use 'route del -net etc. |
| 12:05.20 | PaulFertser | badcloud: no config, route del etc. or use more advanced modern ip command" |
| 12:05.35 | badcloud | how do I specify eth0? |
| 12:08.04 | badcloud | route del -net 192.168.0.200 |
| 12:08.04 | badcloud | SIOCDELRT: Invalid argument |
| 12:08.11 | badcloud | (host) |
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| 12:15.11 | repli2dev | Hi, I have two scratches on my freerunner display since I've put it once to pocket with keys and now sometimes cursor jump to one scratch and stay there - I cannot click on anything - possible solution? (change display, touchscreen layer...)? |
| 12:16.24 | lindi- | repli2dev: you should have bought invisible shield(tm) :) |
| 12:16.43 | repli2dev | lindi-: I know now :( |
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| 12:20.31 | badcloud | gonna try and reboot the host... |
| 12:20.35 | badcloud | see if that helps |
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| 12:23.56 | repli2dev | badcloud: no, it don't, neither changing distro helps |
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| 12:28.36 | PaulFertser | badcloud: for proper route syntax you should have read man instead of trusting me ;) |
| 12:28.46 | badcloud | thanks |
| 12:28.55 | badcloud | after reboot the eth1 entry isn't there |
| 12:29.01 | badcloud | but no luck pinging yet |
| 12:29.13 | PaulFertser | I thought that eth1 is your FR so no wonder. |
| 12:29.42 | badcloud | got it |
| 12:29.51 | badcloud | it shifted from eth1 to eth2 on the host |
| 12:29.57 | badcloud | god, that's annoying |
| 12:31.50 | badcloud | but now masquerading isn't working |
| 12:32.46 | alphaone | udev will/should/can take care of interface renaming |
| 12:34.22 | badcloud | solved |
| 12:34.32 | badcloud | thanks, alphaone |
| 12:34.55 | badcloud | and thanks Paul, khiraly |
| 12:35.07 | badcloud | "and I'd like to thank the academy, for..." |
| 12:35.25 | badcloud | but really thanks, though |
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| 12:40.18 | usr | anyone working on an ide for openmoko? |
| 12:41.03 | max_posedon | ide?! |
| 12:41.05 | SpeedEvil | holds up a USB->IDE adaptor with a car battery and a small power converter attached. |
| 12:41.13 | max_posedon | usr, emacs working |
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| 12:41.36 | khiraly1 | I use pida dev version (from bzr) |
| 12:41.38 | max_posedon | doesn't understand why openmoko need custm ide |
| 12:41.50 | mib_aq9dy77d | Hello |
| 12:42.15 | khiraly1 | max_posedon: android got one? I think so. Iphone got an IDE/SDK? I think so. |
| 12:42.40 | usr | max_posedon: emacs is a program? |
| 12:42.51 | max_posedon | khiraly1, andoid and iphone it is custom platform |
| 12:42.52 | khiraly1 | nope, a whole OS ;-D |
| 12:42.57 | max_posedon | openmoko - Linux |
| 12:43.05 | max_posedon | general, just little but unusual |
| 12:43.10 | max_posedon | IDE |
| 12:43.15 | max_posedon | 's usually sucks |
| 12:43.51 | max_posedon | (I don't know anyone which at least 50% usable as emacs for typing) |
| 12:44.17 | usr | like vi? |
| 12:44.51 | max_posedon | so, vi/emacs whatever you use usually when developing for linux |
| 12:45.07 | max_posedon | can be used for developing for openmoko, without any problems |
| 12:45.49 | usr | i like to use gedit or kwrite to get the syntax highlighted |
| 12:46.03 | SpeedEvil | Developing IDEs specifically for use on the phone would be odd. |
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| 12:46.08 | mib_aq9dy77d | Processor speed versus bus speed. Which is more important? |
| 12:46.30 | SpeedEvil | bus generally has been the limit recently |
| 12:46.42 | khiraly1 | SpeedEvil: but packaging together Xephyr, and all the handy stuff would be nice. And lets call it IDE;) |
| 12:47.14 | mib_aq9dy77d | (2.3GHz, 4.4 GT`s Bus Speed) versus (2.4GHz, 3.6 GT`s Bus Speed) |
| 12:47.29 | mib_aq9dy77d | those are the two situations I am trying to choose from |
| 12:47.34 | SpeedEvil | mib_aq9dy77d: does it still have calypso in? |
| 12:47.40 | SpeedEvil | mib_aq9dy77d: is this GTA03? |
| 12:47.56 | mib_aq9dy77d | I don't know |
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| 12:48.21 | SpeedEvil | I would expect the first to be faster. But look at reelkvant benchmarks |
| 12:49.04 | usr | i would like to have an ide where you can create code for the dbus |
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| 12:49.40 | usr | like switch on this led turn of that one... |
| 12:49.43 | mib_aq9dy77d | They are both AMD Turion(TM) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile Processors: ZM-85 and ZM-86 |
| 12:49.59 | mib_aq9dy77d | Where might i find benchmarks? |
| 12:51.28 | khiraly1 | Im curious when will appear the first IDE using only web technology. (like palm web os) Im thinking more on pyjamas. It can be run on desktop via webkit as widget renderer |
| 12:51.51 | max_posedon | khiraly1, I known one, created year ago |
| 12:51.52 | khiraly1 | it is the easiest to develop in... |
| 12:51.59 | max_posedon | for developing on ruby on rails |
| 12:52.01 | usr | that's a great idea |
| 12:52.20 | max_posedon | sorry, its crap |
| 12:52.44 | max_posedon | (idea , and any implementation) |
| 12:53.22 | SpeedEvil | mib_aq9dy77d: #hardware maybe |
| 12:53.25 | usr | you would need a html-server |
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| 12:56.48 | khiraly1 | when we use pastebin, online diff viewer(http://paste.pocoo.org/show/115691/), now google codesearch has a class browser. It does make sense |
| 12:57.17 | usr | i think i will start to write an ide for the om dbus to generate dbus-python code |
| 12:57.37 | khiraly1 | usr: you could write a plugin into pida |
| 12:58.19 | khiraly1 | and you can use emacs/vim/medit with pida. So it is the easiest solution right now |
| 12:58.43 | usr | khiraly1: i'm not that into coding |
| 12:59.17 | khiraly1 | Ok. So does it will have a gui?;) |
| 13:00.01 | usr | i could try to use pygtk and make it compatible to all editors |
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| 13:02.31 | usr | so that you can just click things you want and if you understand the way it works you'll be able to use it via command line |
| 13:03.23 | qknight | huhu |
| 13:03.30 | usr | so anyone could write bindings for whatever ide |
| 13:03.30 | max_posedon | usr, you can, but when you finished it |
| 13:03.30 | qknight | i got major instability issues |
| 13:03.34 | qknight | i don't know what causes this |
| 13:03.40 | max_posedon | 1. nobody will want use it anways |
| 13:03.43 | qknight | but often my moko just hangs lately |
| 13:03.43 | qknight | it is |
| 13:03.53 | max_posedon | 2. shr/fso/paroli will be rewritten in vala |
| 13:04.09 | qknight | unusable right now (hangup all the time i start using it for mapping or active usage in general) |
| 13:04.18 | usr | max_posedon: nice question... i think it has to grow and will take some time |
| 13:05.06 | usr | max_posedon: the first thing is to write a framework, then to apply a gui |
| 13:05.38 | max_posedon | as you wish, I'll not stop you |
| 13:05.51 | max_posedon | but I saw it many-many times in my life |
| 13:06.10 | max_posedon | people want did smth big and become famouse, but as result |
| 13:06.27 | max_posedon | they spend a months on their projects, and kills them. |
| 13:06.50 | max_posedon | If you have skills, I suggest you improve FSO/SHR/Paroli |
| 13:07.13 | max_posedon | or some general app, porting it to dbus+elemetary |
| 13:08.01 | usr | max_posedon: the point is i don't have skills, every time i have to look up for things and so on, thats why i wan't to automate it |
| 13:10.19 | usr | i wasted a lot of time to write an app in pygtk... if i would have written an ide which could do the same i could save a lot of time |
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| 13:12.22 | usr | so the next thing i'll to is to write a gui for ipkg-creation, then i'll start to write the framework for the automated python-dbus script generation |
| 13:12.54 | usr | and i'll expand the hole thing to generate pygtk-code |
| 13:15.20 | usr | max_posedon: could u use python-code to access the dbus? i mean to execute the script out of your app, ore copy paste it into |
| 13:16.28 | max_posedon | yes, look at mdbus as example |
| 13:17.40 | usr | ok... are you often here on freenode? |
| 13:18.06 | max_posedon | ~22h/day |
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| 13:18.20 | max_posedon | but I'm not sure that I can help you much. |
| 13:18.31 | max_posedon | just point to examples/docs |
| 13:19.44 | usr | max_posedon: that's great, so if i finished to code the framework and some basic functions i'll let you know |
| 13:20.18 | max_posedon | as you wish, but as I said I'm afroid of nobody will interested in results) |
| 13:20.31 | max_posedon | and btw, I prefer ruby then python |
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| 13:21.31 | usr | max_posedon: you could call the generated code out of your app |
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| 13:22.45 | usr | max_posedon: are there bindings to communicate with the om fso dbus for ruby? |
| 13:23.04 | max_posedon | ruby have dbus bindings |
| 13:23.14 | max_posedon | so, no problem |
| 13:23.28 | usr | ok |
| 13:26.24 | usr | max_posedon: i want to write a script, call it "framework" which'll generate a dynamic gui for different scripts |
| 13:26.40 | usr | so one could write modules |
| 13:29.04 | usr | the function should be to store routines once and then to access the modules via gui ore shorts to generate a new app, gui ore what ever |
| 13:30.35 | usr | max_posedon: could you use something like that? |
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| 13:31.57 | jonkristian | \o/ |
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| 13:34.09 | max_posedon | I don't know |
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| 13:35.56 | usr | max_posedon: the thing is i planed on to write it for python ^^ using python, pygtk and bash... |
| 13:36.28 | max_posedon | so, write it, I already said all what I want |
| 13:38.34 | usr | ok |
| 13:42.34 | usr | anybody programming in here apps for the freerunner in python? |
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| 15:46.15 | rnd9 | morning |
| 15:47.15 | rnd9 | I am watching some tubes about the neo1973 and asking me if it is the right thing for me. |
| 15:47.39 | rnd9 | Question is, if all is working like it is shown in the clips. |
| 15:48.34 | XorA | rnd9: kinda is always the answer |
| 15:49.42 | rnd9 | ;) What about making a simple call ... yes its a phone ... but if there is something heavy weight running in the background? Speaking without breaks possible? |
| 15:49.51 | PaulFertser | rnd9: if you want some fully hackable PDA with ability to make GSM calls then freerunner might suit your needs, otherwise -- i'm afraid not. |
| 15:50.37 | PaulFertser | rnd9: speaking without breaks... Yes, possible if everything is already working. In general, if call is already set up, you won't get any breaks, it's hardware. |
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| 15:51.22 | PaulFertser | rnd9: imho freerunner is still a cool hackable device for geeks, not generally usable as a phone/pda. Just my IMHO, wait for the other opinions. |
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| 15:52.26 | rnd9 | well, I dont want another device that taking my time while playing atround with its possibilitys. But its the question if there is some sort off package management, that will make it usable for not power useres. |
| 15:53.24 | khiraly1 | the main problem, that the calling and sms are not rock-solid. So this is why everybody compares to a pda |
| 15:53.29 | PaulFertser | rnd9: package management is either opkg (as on most other OE-based distros) or apt-get (if you install Debian). No problems with the second, while the first is still mad annoying. |
| 15:54.01 | rnd9 | the point is, I am planning to buy a garmin gps tracker. After checking it out, I see that I have to pay no less than about 130⬠for getting it. Now I remeber the neo and see for 250⬠I get much more than the double. |
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| 15:54.34 | PaulFertser | rnd9: will you be happy with Navit and TangoGPS for navigation? |
| 15:54.54 | rnd9 | PaulFertser, dont matter what packet management is there. |
| 15:54.55 | khiraly1 | rnd9: but in couple of months it will be fully usable as a phone. Another problem is battery. You need to charge it every day. And even if you suspend it will not last multiple days (need to test it more, but I will) |
| 15:55.06 | PaulFertser | rnd9: with no more than 8 hours of work on battery? |
| 15:55.19 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: no, it will for sure. |
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| 15:55.54 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: if you keep it in mostly suspended state it lasts several days. Mickey did some convincing tests and my RL-experience confirms it. |
| 15:55.59 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: I was off for the weekend with my freerunner, I suspended it, and it was out of battery sunday |
| 15:56.13 | rnd9 | suspent menas, it can still receive calls? |
| 15:56.20 | khiraly1 | rnd9: yepp |
| 15:56.29 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: well, you can measure suspend current yourself and do calculations. |
| 15:56.31 | khiraly1 | suspended, but gsm chip is powered |
| 15:56.49 | PaulFertser | rnd9: gsm chip wakes up the system, then you're able to interact with it, including answering the call. |
| 15:56.51 | rnd9 | well, my old siemens handy needs reload at the evening too. |
| 15:57.09 | PaulFertser | rnd9: oh, and the screen is not readable under sunlight :((( |
| 15:57.36 | PaulFertser | The screen looks amazingly sharp and cool with its 285DPI, but... |
| 15:57.53 | khiraly1 | rnd9: the same boot;) Just nokia in my case. I think we are 1-2 month of of rocksolid calling. |
| 15:58.02 | rnd9 | PaulFertser, would be nice if "cachewolf" will run with it. Its a Java-App |
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| 15:58.11 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: My LG phone does not readable under sunlight either |
| 15:58.49 | PaulFertser | rnd9: java works on it, afaik, it's an arm linux board after all. |
| 15:58.58 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: but it doesn't pretend to be a gps-navigator. |
| 15:59.37 | khiraly1 | ehh. A gps navigator must be direct light readable? |
| 15:59.49 | khiraly1 | I would expect more from a phone than from a gps |
| 16:00.10 | rnd9 | well, the only usable thing that cachewolf has, is a sun compass, dont know if there is one for the neo? |
| 16:00.35 | ndnihil | orrery might have a sun compass type thing |
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| 16:01.43 | khiraly1 | rnd9: I didnt regret that I bought it.;) Paroli looks promising, and I believe we are one month away from stable phone |
| 16:01.56 | ndnihil | http://www.opkg.org/package_9.html |
| 16:03.03 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: i guess yes, mandatory for gps nav. After all, my handlebar is exposed to direct sunlight quite often. |
| 16:03.05 | khiraly1 | btw, can I search street names in TangoGPS? Would be awesome, if I could use my freerunner as a city map |
| 16:03.11 | SpeedEvil | rolls on the floor laughing. |
| 16:03.17 | SpeedEvil | kh: you can't |
| 16:03.21 | SpeedEvil | online only |
| 16:03.28 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: look at Navit. |
| 16:03.32 | SpeedEvil | the placefinder on openstreetmap |
| 16:03.36 | SpeedEvil | or that |
| 16:03.48 | khiraly1 | something offline |
| 16:03.52 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: Navit |
| 16:04.04 | khiraly1 | Its kinda slow, isnt? |
| 16:04.33 | SpeedEvil | passes khiraly1 the source. |
| 16:04.33 | khiraly1 | tangogps is extremely nice, and only lacks this feature. |
| 16:04.48 | SpeedEvil | tangogps has no concept of placenames |
| 16:04.59 | SpeedEvil | it is solely an image browser, with a GPS attached |
| 16:05.20 | lindi- | I never figured out how to configure navit properly |
| 16:05.27 | khiraly1 | its enough if it marks the streetname as a POI |
| 16:05.31 | lindi- | any help would be appreciated |
| 16:06.00 | khiraly1 | At a normal car map, I need to look at A2 or B4 for example to find the street |
| 16:06.04 | SpeedEvil | khiraly1: you could fairly easily do that - extract streetnames to a list of POIs, but I don't think anyones done it |
| 16:06.07 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i've never dared to try even |
| 16:06.09 | khiraly1 | so placing a little flag would be enough |
| 16:06.31 | rnd9 | I think the "open" is the main plus factor for the neo/open moko. 250⬠sounds ok. |
| 16:06.34 | SpeedEvil | khiraly1: go to the OSM wiki - look up xapi |
| 16:06.59 | SpeedEvil | khiraly1: then work out the query to get the list of streetnames, then process the xml into the form required for tangogps pois |
| 16:07.29 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: i think we should rather concentrate on navit since it has the features and development community. tangogps has only one developer, right? |
| 16:07.56 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea |
| 16:08.27 | rnd9 | ndnihil, yes looks like orrery is much better than this simple sun compass. works in the neight too :) |
| 16:08.47 | khiraly1 | navit is more like a car navigation system. Tangogps is like an electronic map |
| 16:08.53 | SpeedEvil | however, if tangogps has the facility to accept lists of POIs in a sane format, it's a relatively tiny amount of scripting to go from the XML to a list of POIs. - if that's what khiraly1 wants. |
| 16:08.54 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 16:09.39 | khiraly1 | Im looking for the functionality what iPhone has. Have anybody tried out? |
| 16:10.03 | khiraly1 | It use google maps and need to be online for it. |
| 16:10.21 | khiraly1 | But its more like tangogps |
| 16:10.41 | rnd9 | is gprs fast enough for it? |
| 16:10.45 | khiraly1 | SpeedEvil: I will look at it, but not in the near future. I want phoning first |
| 16:10.55 | SpeedEvil | rnd9: yes |
| 16:11.14 | lindi- | khiraly1: surely we don't want to use google maps? |
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| 16:11.26 | rnd9 | let me look to my mobile conditions ... I remeber they arnt very good. |
| 16:12.12 | khiraly1 | lindi-: google maps directly? You cant when in a car. Gprs is not fast enough for it |
| 16:12.34 | khiraly1 | Tangogps prefilled with osm tiles or googlemaps tiles |
| 16:13.03 | khiraly1 | its the best option. Navit looks interesting, but its a big beast;) |
| 16:13.07 | lindi- | khiraly1: google maps at all |
| 16:13.58 | khiraly1 | lindi-: I dont care if it is google maps or open street maps. They are good enough in my area |
| 16:14.14 | khiraly1 | Do not need satellite images for a street map |
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| 16:22.30 | khiraly1 | http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/142 |
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| 16:25.58 | rnd9 | ah, I found it .... 19ct / 10 KB .... well no good idea for going online with that gprs. |
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| 17:09.44 | broxtor | Hi. Since a couple of days I have a freerunner and I'm trying to connect it to my pc using the usb-networking guidelines found on wiki.openmoko.org. But unfortunately I can't get it to work. I have added the IP to the usb0 interface, but when I try to ping I get "Destination host unreachable". I also gave the iptables commands a try, but still "destination host unreachable". |
| 17:10.24 | lindi- | broxtor: please run "ip link" on both machines and put the output online |
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| 17:12.29 | broxtor | lindi: will do that. |
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| 17:19.14 | rnd9 | the neo cant use hcsd, right? 4gb is max, but there is internal mem for applications means the sd card can be used at hotplug? |
| 17:19.48 | mjr | you mean sdhc, and it can |
| 17:19.53 | PaulFertser | rnd9: no decent hotplug for uSD. |
| 17:19.59 | em_ | @DocScrutinizer : I sent you a mail that gives you a simple way to extract netlist from schematics in PADS. It takes me around 3-4 minutes to do (small example netlist). |
| 17:20.09 | em_ | @DocScrutinizer : but apparently the mail that I got from your information inside this IRC channel is not right |
| 17:20.12 | mjr | (and by the way, if it couldn't the max would be 2 gb) |
| 17:20.21 | mjr | and yeah, the microsd is located non-hotswappably |
| 17:20.32 | rnd9 | mjr, yes sdhc |
| 17:20.37 | PaulFertser | rnd9: SDHC is fully suported on freerunner. |
| 17:20.57 | PaulFertser | mjr: i guess one can take out the battery being on usb power and hot-swap uSD... |
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| 17:21.24 | rnd9 | PaulFertser, is the card slot under the batterie? |
| 17:21.36 | mjr | yes, and under the SIM |
| 17:21.47 | rnd9 | oh |
| 17:22.12 | mjr | it's a combo reader part for space savings and all that |
| 17:22.16 | PaulFertser | rnd9: the SIM is definetely hot-swappable, i did it several times. Don't see a reason why uSD can't be hot-swapped too. |
| 17:22.38 | mjr | okay, probably it can, but it's highly unpractical |
| 17:22.57 | PaulFertser | Sure, especially if you want to have rootfs on it :)) |
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| 17:24.18 | em_ | @DocScrutinizer : I just got disconnected... But here I am back :-) |
| 17:25.06 | lindi- | em_: any chance to have pdf versions? I don't want to use pads which is proprietary and i couldn't figure out how to read the files with brl-cad |
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| 17:26.01 | PaulFertser | lindi-: it's all about netlists, not pads sources. |
| 17:26.01 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: How did you hotswap the SIM? It's under the battery... |
| 17:26.14 | PaulFertser | lindi-: he asked for a netlist only for his research. |
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| 17:26.23 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: Took out the battery being on usb power. |
| 17:26.28 | lindi- | PaulFertser: aha |
| 17:26.38 | lindi- | PaulFertser: what about the files that one is supposed to |
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| 17:26.42 | lindi- | PaulFertser: what about the files that one is supposed to open with brl-cad? |
| 17:26.54 | Digital_Pioneer | Meh, that's barely hotswapping... ;) |
| 17:27.14 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i don't know, there was many talks about converting case 3D models to various formats... |
| 17:28.04 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: how it's not? Takes 15 sec but one needs a wall-charger or USB connection. |
| 17:28.25 | em_ | @lindi : DocScrutinizer told me openmoko used PADS |
| 17:28.57 | Digital_Pioneer | Exactly, You need an external power source, which makes it too annoying to consider it a nice hotswap. :) |
| 17:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | em_: |
| 17:29.34 | Digital_Pioneer | I wish someone would make a little dongle you could plug into the USB that would power it for about 20 seconds though. That would come in handy a lot. |
| 17:29.36 | em_ | so I fired up PADS this morning at my university, found a way to extract netlist from a schematic and... that's it ! |
| 17:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~docscrutinizer |
| 17:29.40 | apt | i guess docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 17:30.09 | em_ | yes |
| 17:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JOERG |
| 17:30.33 | DocScrutinizer | joerg@openmoko.org |
| 17:30.39 | Digital_Pioneer | DocScrutinizer: So that's how you know so much about the hardware. :P |
| 17:31.06 | em_ | @DocScrutinizer : I am ready to send you the stesps to extract netlist |
| 17:31.15 | em_ | May I use your email in this page ? |
| 17:31.25 | DocScrutinizer | em_: I realized I can't publish the netlist details about GSM-chipset |
| 17:31.27 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 17:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | see mail above |
| 17:32.26 | em_ | What does it really mean to me ? That I can't have a netlist, that I can't have a part of the netlist ? |
| 17:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | that you can't have the complete netlist |
| 17:33.17 | em_ | ok. |
| 17:33.20 | em_ | thanks |
| 17:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | I may see if I can create a decent netlist after ripping out GSM |
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| 17:34.31 | em_ | @DocScrutinizer : mail sent |
| 17:36.22 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r84233b5d1521 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: fsodeviced: kernel26_powersupply: aggregate handles correctly when we don't have any power supply class devices |
| 17:36.34 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r5926e6adaa79 10/vapi/eina.vapi: eina.vapi: bind EAPI const char *eina_stringshare_add_length(const char *str, unsigned int slen) EINA_WARN_UNUSED_RESULT; |
| 17:36.35 | em_ | @DocScrutinizer : if it is not possible to have a netlist (or a so small one that it does not represent anything "real"), I am in talks to another company. But having both netlist would be _really_ a good thing |
| 17:37.14 | SpeedEvil | em_: have you looked for publically available designs - I can think of quite a few |
| 17:38.40 | em_ | Yes : but all I found was PDF files, with only bitmaps of schematics. It would take much more time to extract the netlist in a good format, and is subject to many errors. |
| 17:39.05 | em_ | This is to match with a model : it is quiet... critical |
| 17:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | em_: I'll have a look to meet your needs. I think you'll get something "real" one way or the other |
| 17:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | so not necesserily sth "decent" (I know about OM schem ;-) |
| 17:41.03 | em_ | ;-) |
| 17:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | to me it seems OM schem isn't exactly industry average standard |
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| 17:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | just to warn you not to spoil you model's results ;-D |
| 17:42.47 | em_ | But at least it is a start. I have nothing more than comparisons to VLSI designs (sick) and board with barely TTL chips with... one "serious" ASIC. |
| 17:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | e.g we got lots of useless connections for nondefined functionality that probably never gets used |
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| 17:43.09 | em_ | ok |
| 17:43.31 | em_ | But if such connections are physically in the PCB, I am interested ! |
| 17:43.39 | em_ | and as I said, it is a start. |
| 17:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | we got zillions of 0R |
| 17:43.46 | PaulFertser | em_: opencores.org ? |
| 17:43.49 | DocScrutinizer | for no obvious reason |
| 17:43.54 | PaulFertser | Yep, those nasty 0R... |
| 17:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | and we got quite a few non-critical design flaws as well :-/ |
| 17:44.37 | PaulFertser | Why can anyone put smth like that? What for? Like a poor man's testpoint? Or to have a chance to stuff something else there later? Unexplainable... |
| 17:45.04 | DocScrutinizer | (poor mans testpoint) mostly for that,yes |
| 17:45.05 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: for part counts. |
| 17:45.11 | khiraly1 | ;) |
| 17:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | a few of those 0R are at nasty places though, where they never should be |
| 17:46.14 | DocScrutinizer | as no 0R is really just a "0R" |
| 17:46.32 | em_ | that's so true |
| 17:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | always has some complex impedance |
| 17:46.57 | khiraly1 | DocScrutinizer: but why didnt put some real testpoint there? Is it cheaper? |
| 17:47.03 | em_ | As ou are here : do you know anything like the average length of each route (or each net...) |
| 17:47.31 | DocScrutinizer | khiraly1: I think all those are for current probing |
| 17:48.05 | DocScrutinizer | em_: nah, no way |
| 17:48.16 | em_ | ok no pb ;-) |
| 17:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | probably the results were embarrasing |
| 17:48.47 | DocScrutinizer | our routing is abysmal |
| 17:48.48 | khiraly1 | its really pita test om2009, more than 5-7 minutes to reboot. |
| 17:52.14 | em_ | that's intersting. I am working on a router ;-) ! But for a quiet innovative PCB prototyping technology |
| 17:52.34 | em_ | Research project with an industrial partner (a venture capital) |
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| 17:55.19 | PaulFertser | em_: so, what do you think about "netlists" that can be generated from verilog/vhdl projects? |
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| 18:07.17 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: ther? |
| 18:07.21 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: are you there? |
| 18:07.58 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: I just found for you a new bug;). It is reproducible, and have logs too. (and exception) |
| 18:08.47 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: put it in the trac ;) |
| 18:08.55 | khiraly1 | done |
| 18:09.00 | mirko-paroli | nice |
| 18:09.07 | khiraly1 | http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/142 |
| 18:10.02 | mirko-paroli | i'll take a look at it tomorrow, is already 2 here ;=) |
| 18:10.20 | khiraly1 | 2am? |
| 18:11.23 | khiraly1 | and hurry up;) I'll try to reproduce you all of my bugreports. So fixes them faster as I find them:-D |
| 18:11.40 | khiraly1 | btw, pretty timeconsuming to reproduce the bugs. :-( |
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| 18:21.03 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: welcome to my world ;) |
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| 18:28.40 | khiraly1 | 2 minutes to shut down the phone and more than 5 minutes to boot into;-\ |
| 18:31.15 | DocScrutinizer | mirko-paroli: how's weather in TPE? |
| 18:31.20 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: noone has started to optimize yet |
| 18:31.24 | mirko-paroli | DocScrutinizer: way too warm |
| 18:31.34 | mirko-paroli | have troubles staying focused |
| 18:31.42 | DocScrutinizer | for you a sure bet I guess |
| 18:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | I'd love to be there ATM |
| 18:32.15 | mirko-paroli | cold in .de? |
| 18:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | not that nice |
| 18:33.14 | mirko-paroli | hmm |
| 18:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | no aircon in OM reduced budget? |
| 18:33.31 | mirko-paroli | well the weather might be ok, but the surroundings ... let's not go there ;) |
| 18:33.40 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 18:33.42 | mirko-paroli | yes, we have aircon |
| 18:33.50 | mirko-paroli | but the air is still sticky and stuff |
| 18:33.55 | mirko-paroli | ain't too nice |
| 18:33.57 | DocScrutinizer | eew |
| 18:34.07 | mirko-paroli | but maybe it is just me being in an uber good mood |
| 18:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | here it's 17C and heavy lightning storms |
| 18:35.19 | mirko-paroli | wow |
| 18:35.21 | mirko-paroli | NICE |
| 18:35.24 | mirko-paroli | wanna switch? |
| 18:35.29 | mirko-paroli | if we both think really hard |
| 18:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | i knew that |
| 18:35.31 | mirko-paroli | and focus |
| 18:35.46 | DocScrutinizer | lets try it ;-) |
| 18:35.57 | mirko-paroli | I am just way too european to be in tw |
| 18:36.01 | mirko-paroli | or even asia i gues |
| 18:36.03 | mirko-paroli | s |
| 18:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | *ommmmmm* |
| 18:36.33 | rnd9 | there isn't a place for a touchpad-pen includet in the case? You have to carry it somewhere else? |
| 18:37.52 | rnd9 | ah, and I see it is a microSDHC slot, i need a new card. |
| 18:37.56 | khiraly1 | rnd9: leather case |
| 18:38.15 | khiraly1 | tuxbrain.com there is a pen holder and it shipped with a pen too |
| 18:38.38 | khiraly1 | leather case comes with a pen and pen holder |
| 18:44.19 | Blu3 | ugg, we need to fix the _long_ delay between hitting [accept] and the phone taking it's sweet time to answer a call |
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| 18:51.11 | Sharwin_F | Last day I achieved to use my fr as a wifi antenna for my old laptop which hadn't wifi :D |
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| 19:27.39 | rnd9 | "Asthe file is so large, you may want to remove the microSD card from the Freerunner and use a card reader to transfer the files; copying them over USB will take several hours. " ... why is a card reader faster than USB or Wifi? |
| 19:27.49 | rnd9 | no usb 2.0? |
| 19:28.47 | azaghal | Freerunner has a slower card reader. |
| 19:29.32 | rnd9 | only for writing or reading too? |
| 19:32.14 | PaulFertser | rnd9: both |
| 19:32.19 | wurp2|working | A slow card reader that shares the data bus with the memory bus and graphics bus :-( |
| 19:32.33 | PaulFertser | rnd9: uSD is attached through a fucking glamo multimedia-"accelerator". |
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| 19:34.08 | thrashold | Is the card reader on FR slower than that of Neo 1973, or faster, or no difference? How does it compare to the integrated flash? |
| 19:34.32 | Zorkman | lol multimedia "accelerator" |
| 19:34.50 | Zorkman | we're stuck with an ALLmedia decelerator |
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| 19:36.08 | rnd9 | is this a hardware limit or just driver problem? |
| 19:37.08 | PaulFertser | rnd9: hardware |
| 19:37.32 | PaulFertser | rnd9: glamo is probably the most annoying mistake... |
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| 19:38.25 | rnd9 | PaulFertser, sounds not good |
| 19:38.38 | PaulFertser | rnd9: tell me what sounds good please. |
| 19:38.51 | PaulFertser | Nah, i know it myself: TITS |
| 19:39.39 | PaulFertser | (though they have drawbacks too, girls say not very convenient for sports) |
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| 19:52.42 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: ayt? |
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| 19:54.03 | rhkfin | Hi there! Anyone using 2009 & paroli? |
| 19:55.07 | rhkfin | Anyone interested in improving Paroli (with or without coding skills..) |
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| 19:55.38 | rhkfin | I flashed 2009 testing3 some days ago and it actually makes FR a usable phone (as long as you replace the gsmhandset.state) |
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| 20:00.19 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: ayt? |
| 20:00.23 | khiraly1 | wtf? |
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| 20:00.48 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: I *try* to use om2009 with paroli. But not stable at all. So Im helping testing and debugging |
| 20:01.01 | rhkfin | khiraly1: what's not stable? |
| 20:01.06 | rhkfin | Do you have testing3 installed? |
| 20:01.13 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: wrt pedalling. Some people even have to learn how to breathe in another proper way (those who start to play wind-blown instruments) and you say pedalling is hard to change. |
| 20:02.24 | khiraly1 | wrt = with respect to? |
| 20:02.35 | khiraly1 | ayt = are you there? |
| 20:02.39 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: with regard to, yes :) |
| 20:03.21 | SpeedEvil | found it really odd - I used to carry a very heavy bag, that I habitually swung over one shoulder in a complex movement, as I couldn't easily lift it there. |
| 20:03.30 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: I have difficulty to breathe the proper way when jogging |
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| 20:03.43 | SpeedEvil | One day I decided to put it over the other shoulder, and it took me 5 minutes. |
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| 20:04.06 | SpeedEvil | As I had to decompose all the muscle movements I was using, and reverse them. |
| 20:06.05 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: yeah sometimes it's hard to get over the old habits, but it often worth it. |
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| 20:06.28 | rhkfin | Where did this all start? That people are able to adapt to a phone that works in a different way :) |
| 20:06.30 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: I will make her to try out a clip in bicycle |
| 20:06.48 | rhkfin | khiraly1: what issues did you face with 2009? |
| 20:06.58 | khiraly1 | it will definietly improve her. Just have fear she will fell down |
| 20:07.15 | rhkfin | what clip, why? |
| 20:07.19 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: unstable. Gui freeze, cant accept any calls (after some calling), etc, etc |
| 20:08.03 | rhkfin | Can you get logs? |
| 20:08.04 | khiraly1 | I cant close the Tele/msgs applications |
| 20:08.10 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: be careful, when i first tried it i fell 3 times (with zero speed but still). When my brother tried, he fall once and broke my mirror. Some girls don't like falling too much :-/ |
| 20:08.37 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: yepp, I sended to mirko. But difficult to debug as cant reproduce them reliably |
| 20:08.38 | rhkfin | ah clips for shoes? Definitely recommended! |
| 20:08.44 | rhkfin | khiraly1: okay.. |
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| 20:09.13 | khiraly1 | so test, test and test rhkfin. Basically more you use your phone more likelyhood paroli will fails |
| 20:09.15 | rhkfin | PaulFertser: I guess most people fall with zero speed with clips when they forget them and then it's too late :) |
| 20:09.35 | rhkfin | khiraly1: is it paroli or calypso (=the gsm chip)..? |
| 20:10.19 | khiraly1 | paroli mostly. Maybe frameworkd too. |
| 20:10.46 | rhkfin | ok |
| 20:11.13 | rhkfin | So what distro are people using? SHR & Debian everyone? |
| 20:11.41 | PaulFertser | rhkfin: om2009 too :) |
| 20:11.42 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: use om2009. And help debugging |
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| 20:12.00 | khiraly1 | help reproduce bugs |
| 20:12.07 | rhkfin | khiraly1: I'm using, currently writing a message to the om2009t3 thread.. |
| 20:12.41 | khiraly1 | Oh, if you write to long message (>160chars) paroli fails to send it |
| 20:12.41 | rhkfin | even joined #paroli where mirko also was around earlier today but is now off-line - sleeping, I'd guess :) |
| 20:12.54 | rhkfin | khiraly1: e-mail, not SMS :) |
| 20:12.59 | rhkfin | this time.. |
| 20:13.46 | rhkfin | I guess I should write all bugs & things to track, not to the mailing list, but maybe it's worth letting people (=mirko..) first have a look at it before submitting to track.. |
| 20:14.52 | khiraly1 | so the best rhkfin if you help reproduce bugs in paroli. I hope it will be rocksolid. But it depends on us too. (reproducing bugs really time consuming and no programming skills required) |
| 20:15.34 | rhkfin | khiraly1: yep.. |
| 20:15.46 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: tell me about the bugs, Im pretty sure I was hitting by most of them;) |
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| 20:16.43 | rhkfin | wait a minute or so.. |
| 20:21.45 | rhkfin | khiraly1: btw do you happen to know how to change to illume theme from CLI? Angus told me it'd be something like mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject org.enlightenment.wm.[List|Set] but I wasn't able to make it work.. |
| 20:23.09 | khiraly1 | sorry, but no. Im concentrating only phoning/sms in paroli;) I want to replace my old phone seriously |
| 20:24.13 | rhkfin | khiraly1: ok.. My 'bugs' in paroli etc, see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/047657.html and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-May/047736.html |
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| 20:27.26 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: they are mostly feature request;) Im suffering by stability |
| 20:30.20 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: Did you tried paroli with several phone call? |
| 20:31.15 | khiraly1 | in my experience after the fifth or tenth call paroli will freeze (ie. cant initiate call or receive call) |
| 20:31.50 | khiraly1 | so if you *use* freerunner as a phone it will fail sooner or later. |
| 20:32.11 | rhkfin | khiraly1: no, actually it froze for me once after the first 10min call, but then waiting for some ~5minutes it came back to life.. |
| 20:32.44 | rhkfin | But you're right, I should call people more :) I think the audio quality is now good with the new alsastate -> no reason not to call :) |
| 20:34.12 | khiraly1 | call more people |
| 20:34.26 | rhkfin | yep, will do :) |
| 20:35.24 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * rad50ea594709 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: |
| 20:35.24 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Fix use of GLib.Dir |
| 20:35.24 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
| 20:36.08 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: do you have hardware buzz-fix? |
| 20:36.19 | rhkfin | khiraly1: yes I do |
| 20:36.42 | rhkfin | Did it together with a workmate some weeks ago |
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| 20:38.15 | khiraly1 | and you have slight buzz? (if I read correctly your mail) |
| 20:38.30 | khiraly1 | I didnt experience buzz at all... |
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| 20:41.18 | rhkfin | khiraly1: Depends on what mail you read. I might have changed the .state settings after that: at some stage it created some echo if the speaker volume (aux button during call) was at 100. Also when I don't speak, it seems to amplify the background noise (=computer in the room or so) a lot so maybe the threshold could be raised a bit when it opens the mic. |
| 20:41.27 | rhkfin | But AFAIK the audio is now good. |
| 20:41.51 | khiraly1 | for me it is a bit quiet |
| 20:42.02 | khiraly1 | (for both part) |
| 20:42.24 | messerting | Hi, I'm trying to mount an nfs drive on my FR, but when I do "mount -t nfs myhost:/mnt/myshare /mnt/nfs" I get "-sh: mount: not found". I'm running SHR testing, and a plain "mount" does show my mounts |
| 20:42.35 | khiraly1 | the .state file, what you are talking about is the same -a7.state what joerg sended to community some days ago? |
| 20:42.47 | messerting | do I need to opkg install some extra packages? |
| 20:43.01 | rhkfin | Try my alsa: it's the latest 'official' alsastate (not the one with 2009t3) with two changes, see http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/config_files/gsmhandset.state |
| 20:43.15 | rhkfin | khiraly1: no, don't use the -a7, that was wrong. |
| 20:43.49 | rhkfin | Joerg sent a .new.state (or state.new) a bit later with some fixes. Try that or mine, I've added two more changes there |
| 20:44.00 | rhkfin | check the file, explained in the first line) |
| 20:44.22 | em_ | does someone heard about ofono.org ? Nokia and Intel are starting to develop something very interesting. Maybe a future distro for openmoko ? |
| 20:45.08 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: it is the same as this?: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset.state.new |
| 20:45.09 | rhkfin | em_: AFAIK it's a framework, not a distro.. But maybe it'll work on FR in the future, too |
| 20:45.28 | em_ | yup, this is what I meant, sorry for being such imprecise |
| 20:45.29 | rhkfin | khiraly1: yes, that's the latest 'official'. diff that and mine |
| 20:45.44 | khiraly1 | and where to put this .state file? |
| 20:46.16 | rhkfin | /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios |
| 20:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: actually the state.new is sent by wendy (and me) ~6months ago |
| 20:47.31 | DocScrutinizer | rhkfin: the A7.state is newer messed up version. you shouldn't use this |
| 20:47.48 | rhkfin | DocScrutinizer: oh, ok.. And yes, I knew that that A7 is not to be used.. |
| 20:48.35 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: we should start to write down all paroli issues into the wiki and links to the bugid |
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| 20:49.10 | rhkfin | khiraly1: indeed, sounds good.. |
| 20:49.15 | khiraly1 | because it seems its only you and me (outside OM) who actually try to use paroli and test |
| 20:49.38 | rhkfin | khiraly1: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli start a 'known issues' title? |
| 20:49.58 | khiraly1 | seems good to me |
| 20:50.16 | khiraly1 | known issue and vital feature requests |
| 20:50.41 | khiraly1 | basic feature requests. Like the char counter when writing sms |
| 20:51.05 | rhkfin | ON the other hand it all could be submitted to trac for mirko to ignore/approve/fix/something.. |
| 20:51.27 | rhkfin | But I agree that it's a mess to submit 25 items to trac.. |
| 20:51.32 | khiraly1 | yepp. In wiki we should collect it and trac the progress |
| 20:52.41 | rhkfin | hmm.. ok.. So maybe I'll write my 'issues' from yesterday to wiki now.. |
| 20:53.42 | rhkfin | khiraly1: or should there be a new wiki page for the feature request / issues list? |
| 20:54.20 | khiraly1 | and create tickets for it into paroli trac |
| 20:54.34 | khiraly1 | http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/142 |
| 20:54.37 | khiraly1 | http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/143 |
| 20:54.54 | khiraly1 | these are mine. And have 8 other non reproducible bug |
| 20:55.10 | rhkfin | Of course sometimes it's difficult to know if a bug is from paroli or framework or distro.. but let's try.. |
| 20:57.28 | khiraly1 | doh |
| 20:57.31 | khiraly1 | found a new one |
| 20:57.43 | rhkfin | khiraly1: wiki page paroli-issues ok? |
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| 20:58.38 | khiraly1 | Im ok with anything;) |
| 20:58.49 | khiraly1 | just tell me where to write;) |
| 20:59.21 | rhkfin | heh, ok, a sec, started to clean the paroli wikipage :) |
| 20:59.57 | rhkfin | khiraly1: go for it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Paroli-issues&action=edit |
| 21:00.07 | rhkfin | I'll clean the paroli page now.. |
| 21:00.34 | khiraly1 | loller |
| 21:00.48 | khiraly1 | found a serious bug;) |
| 21:00.53 | khiraly1 | could you verify it? |
| 21:00.58 | rhkfin | tell me |
| 21:01.20 | khiraly1 | call somebody. Hang up. Restart Tele, and just press on the Call button (no number). |
| 21:01.42 | khiraly1 | After you should have several paroli screen (in illume list) and I think calling your phone is not possible anymore |
| 21:02.14 | rhkfin | several = more than two? |
| 21:02.17 | khiraly1 | And you cant return to paroli home screen when taping on top |
| 21:02.20 | khiraly1 | yepp |
| 21:02.22 | rhkfin | hmm.. |
| 21:02.26 | khiraly1 | more than two |
| 21:02.28 | rhkfin | I'll try.. |
| 21:03.47 | rhkfin | khiraly1: oops, indeed! |
| 21:03.51 | rhkfin | I'll check the log |
| 21:04.26 | rhkfin | 5 of these: 2009-05-12 00:03:27,943 Launcher INFO profile display changed to default |
| 21:04.35 | rhkfin | in /var/log/paroli.log |
| 21:04.38 | khiraly1 | maybe this is the source of several bugs what occurs to me |
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| 21:05.39 | rhkfin | canbe |
| 21:06.15 | khiraly1 | paroli has major troubles when it comes to empty/non existent parameter |
| 21:07.06 | khiraly1 | empty ping fails to. No sim card fails. Empty calling number fails. invalid number fails when sending sms (#141) |
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| 21:07.14 | khiraly1 | s/ping/pin/ |
| 21:08.13 | rhkfin | hmm.. right.. |
| 21:08.22 | rhkfin | It's pity only Mirko is working on it :( |
| 21:10.03 | Xilent | can't load my battery |
| 21:10.08 | Xilent | :'( |
| 21:10.11 | khiraly1 | this makes me angry btw. all the good sw people leave/left openmoko |
| 21:10.35 | khiraly1 | Xilent: there was some recent posts about starting freerunner without battery on community |
| 21:10.40 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03dos 07framework * rbe1cb0b9c453 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sim_contacts_fso.py: opimd: SIM_Contacts_FSO: another try to fix Update() and Delete() |
| 21:11.43 | rhkfin | Xilent: if you have ~recent enough stuff in it, just leave it connected to USB (charger or computer) for a while and try to start and hope for the best. |
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| 21:13.47 | sypher7 | i might try to roll my own distro just to learn how to dev on the freerunner... maybe that's overkill haha |
| 21:14.29 | rhkfin | sypher7: I strongly advice you not to do it. |
| 21:15.15 | rhkfin | THere are already ~15-20 distros and none of them is GOOD. Most of them are crap, some are ~ok. But not very many work as a decent phone. |
| 21:15.28 | sypher7 | i wouldn't do it with the intent of making a usable distro |
| 21:15.38 | rhkfin | sypher7: start with here: http://www.paroli-project.org/2009/02/03/paroli-says-hello-world/ |
| 21:15.44 | sypher7 | i'd do it so that i could learn what i need to about the hardware, openembedded, etc. |
| 21:15.45 | rhkfin | to contribute to something useful |
| 21:16.29 | neoclust | this is normal that om2009 is all black and not enleignment anymore ? |
| 21:16.29 | sypher7 | i've never developed for ARM or mobile/embedded devices so i'm hoping to learn from the ground up |
| 21:17.05 | SpeedEvil | and you should never need to. |
| 21:17.07 | rhkfin | neoclust: it uses Paroli (see the link I just pasted) |
| 21:17.26 | SpeedEvil | 12 years ago or so, fr was a fast desktop with lots of RAM |
| 21:17.37 | neoclust | and no way to have enleignment ? |
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| 21:17.50 | rhkfin | neoclust: if you press the AUX for 2sec it opens the settings menu -> phone -> change paroli to illume & wait for 3 sec & enjoy |
| 21:17.51 | sypher7 | rhkfin: thanks, i'll take a look at that |
| 21:17.55 | rhkfin | sypher7: great! |
| 21:18.16 | SpeedEvil | for application development, there is essentially no need at all to use asm. |
| 21:18.20 | sypher7 | but i still want to learn all of the low level stuff :-P |
| 21:18.34 | rhkfin | neoclust: sypher7: Paroli is the phone application currently developed by Openmoko. It's the default for Openmoko 2009, the next release and it's actually a pretty good phone software already. |
| 21:18.38 | SpeedEvil | (unless you've run into performance walls, and are hand-optimising) |
| 21:18.57 | neoclust | rhkfin: yes but ugly ( i think ) |
| 21:18.58 | sypher7 | SpeedEvil: i said ARM not ASM -- maybe i should rephrase that. i've never really done cross-compiling |
| 21:19.09 | SpeedEvil | sypher7: it's just like regular compiling. |
| 21:19.10 | neoclust | rhkfin: i liked the illumine interface |
| 21:19.16 | SpeedEvil | And you can compile on the phone too. |
| 21:19.27 | sypher7 | SpeedEvil: right, i know |
| 21:19.40 | sypher7 | my point is i'm just curious, that's all :-P |
| 21:20.11 | rhkfin | neoclust: just follow my instrucions and you'll get it : |
| 21:20.31 | neoclust | rhkfin: it start and i will test :) |
| 21:21.14 | khiraly1 | http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/144 |
| 21:21.16 | rhkfin | neoclust: great :) |
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| 21:22.30 | messerting | Are there any opkg installable music players out there that supports ogg? |
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| 21:23.28 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: could you comment (confirm) to that bug? (#144) |
| 21:23.37 | rhkfin | khiraly1: working on it, with log |
| 21:23.52 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: remove phone numbers and pins from the log |
| 21:23.56 | rhkfin | yes |
| 21:23.58 | khiraly1 | (privacy) |
| 21:24.22 | khiraly1 | I will send a patch tomorrow for this privacy stuff. Its too late for today. But bothering me too |
| 21:24.23 | khiraly1 | ;) |
| 21:25.24 | rhkfin | for what stuff? |
| 21:25.32 | rhkfin | you mean logging numbers? |
| 21:25.40 | khiraly1 | obfuscate phone numbers in the log |
| 21:25.42 | khiraly1 | yepp |
| 21:25.57 | rhkfin | right |
| 21:26.01 | khiraly1 | 06203473825 -> 06xxxxxxx25 |
| 21:26.09 | rhkfin | I think it's enought to hide .. right, got my point :) |
| 21:26.45 | rhkfin | Though the operator prefixes are here 3 numbers, would be handy to see those maybe.. |
| 21:27.11 | khiraly1 | seeing the first two and last two number pretty much enough I think;) |
| 21:27.39 | rhkfin | Hmm.. I guess so.. |
| 21:30.46 | rhkfin | khiraly1: okay, cleaned a bit: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli |
| 21:31.01 | rhkfin | will add still sometghint.. |
| 21:31.11 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: I think the policy is attache the .log to trac directly, because pastebin erases it (after a month by default). I hope it will be fixed within a month anyway;) |
| 21:31.13 | neoclust | rhkfin: paroli isn't user friendly to create sms or phone a person |
| 21:31.20 | neoclust | rhkfin: i prefere Zhone |
| 21:32.12 | khiraly1 | neoclust: I do not find it difficult at all. I have only troubles with alarm setting (which will be rewritten anyway) |
| 21:32.32 | khiraly1 | I never tried zhone btw |
| 21:32.44 | rhkfin | neoclust: Zhone is just a test app that is not developed (as far as I know) - but it's funny that although it's just a test app, it works well. |
| 21:33.10 | rhkfin | and khiraly1 mirko wrote me today that he isn't far enough with the alarm settings yet :) |
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| 21:33.52 | rhkfin | khiraly1: I set pastebin to store 'forever' (hmm.. did i.. don't know..). It's easier to cut&paste than move the file from FR to desktop and then attach that.. |
| 21:34.47 | khiraly1 | i know ;) Just I reported a bug in gimp and after 4(!) year they complained about inaccessible urls. |
| 21:35.20 | khiraly1 | zhone is a sandbox for tichy? |
| 21:36.42 | rhkfin | Hmm.. the wiki is a mess.. Is angus here, btw? |
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| 21:37.47 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: nytowl at #openmoko-cdevel. But not there currently |
| 21:38.36 | rhkfin | khiraly1: ok, cool |
| 21:39.23 | khiraly1 | i will keep hunting bugs;) |
| 21:39.48 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: we should write too, how to install paroli from git on the phone, and have two version simultanously |
| 21:40.05 | khiraly1 | more easy to assisting testing |
| 21:40.30 | khiraly1 | Mirko helped me to do this. |
| 21:40.32 | rhkfin | khiraly1: right.. would be handy.. |
| 21:40.38 | rhkfin | You have 2 versions? |
| 21:40.49 | rhkfin | Second on µSD? |
| 21:41.09 | khiraly1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.17 | khiraly1 | and have an another .desktop file to launch it |
| 21:41.29 | khiraly1 | you can close paroli safely. And launch the other version |
| 21:41.30 | Pvt_Paula | ok |
| 21:41.36 | Pvt_Paula | sry wrong window |
| 21:41.46 | khiraly1 | and I can git pull for the latest source |
| 21:41.52 | rhkfin | khiraly1: please write it to paroli wikipage.. (I'm editing it for a sec still..) |
| 21:42.25 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: I will tomorrow. But no relevance currently as the testing3 package is only two commits back of the git version |
| 21:42.41 | khiraly1 | One should fix the sms view for accent characters |
| 21:43.05 | rhkfin | khiraly1: right |
| 21:43.50 | khiraly1 | so little use right now. But mirke promised he will look at my bugreport. Currently there are 4 reproducible crashing bug in the tracker. |
| 21:43.58 | rhkfin | nice nice! |
| 21:44.18 | khiraly1 | im seriously want to replace my old nokia phone;) |
| 21:44.22 | rhkfin | I like the way he answers the e-mails and (at least) promises to have a look at stuff.. Too bad there are not more working on it.. |
| 21:44.52 | rhkfin | khiraly1: same here - actually I was forced to do it since the battery died on my nokia and I don't want to invest 10e to buy a new one :) |
| 21:45.15 | khiraly1 | yepp. There are only angus and mirko working actively on the software side from OM |
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| 21:46.12 | rhkfin | On Freerunner-software.. Who knows what the 'project B' -thing is.. |
| 21:47.03 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: nothing spectacular. My view is their suspended the phone project until the community finish the right distro for them. |
| 21:47.47 | rhkfin | khiraly1: the official opinion is that they try to generate more money (to continue the phone stuff) with project b |
| 21:49.28 | khiraly1 | but you cant continue the phone stuff when all the good people leave.... |
| 21:49.29 | rhkfin | Who knows.. Long time no news from Openmoko.. I'd just like to get weekly or at least monthly reports on what's happening.. |
| 21:49.35 | rhkfin | khiraly1: right.. |
| 21:50.01 | Pvt_Paula | hi, is there anyone who is there any wiki admin? |
| 21:50.22 | khiraly1 | I buyed the phone, because likely it will be the last free phone;-\ And illume keyboard is awesome exactly what i need |
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| 21:52.57 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: you mean Long time no LEAKED news from Openmoko ;) |
| 21:53.10 | rhkfin | khiraly1: what's the difference between wishlist and known issue..? Basically they both are 'change something', I guess a known issue is something where the author has already agreed that it has to be done..? |
| 21:53.15 | rhkfin | khiraly1: heh :) |
| 21:53.41 | rhkfin | is no keylock a OM2009 or paroli issue? |
| 21:54.47 | khiraly1 | I only want to categorize the issues into two part: the first is the crashing/freeze/stability (im interested in it), the second is everything else (phone number displayed in place of contact name, no keylock, etc) |
| 21:55.24 | khiraly1 | so my goal is i want to be reachable all the time, and I could initiate calls |
| 21:55.28 | rhkfin | right.. |
| 21:56.16 | khiraly1 | I have currently used vi on the phone to write down phone number with contact name in terminal, and used only the number to call |
| 21:56.17 | khiraly1 | ;) |
| 21:56.47 | rhkfin | Thougt I think that known issues should be a list of - issues a user should know before starting to use |
| 21:57.10 | rhkfin | I have currently lost some SMS's and phone numbers because of reflashing and not being able to store on SIM :) |
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| 21:57.26 | khiraly1 | do it how you please. But important crashing bugreports needs to be mentioned, as they should be the top 1 on the priority list |
| 21:57.28 | Pvt_Paula | what i want to say is that a friend of mine (i unfourtonatley have no freerunner but thought of buying one) told me that it is impossible to mount the device if you upgrade to 2008.12...so i think it is possible :P |
| 21:57.43 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: I used vi;) And paper and pen |
| 21:58.19 | rhkfin | :) |
| 21:58.38 | PaulFertser | Pvt_Paula: mount the device? Which device? Mount where? What are you talking about? |
| 21:59.09 | khiraly1 | - some mess sometimes in the top of the screen <-- the same when you type no PIN number, and it reports fails. There are mess around the OK button |
| 21:59.10 | rhkfin | Pvt_Paula: after the first start you can't ssh in in 2008.12, you have to restart it to get the SSH up & running (if that's what you mean) |
| 21:59.11 | Pvt_Paula | just use sshfs and mount the device. the problem is that i do not know which user is usually used, so the only one which my friend discovered is root and this is very bad as you need to launch your favourite browser with root privileges to edit (viweing also works without root) the files on your phone |
| 21:59.43 | Pvt_Paula | PaulFertser: mount the openmoko under linux and view/edit its files |
| 21:59.52 | rhkfin | khiraly1: Hmm.. I think I haven't seen the mess around the OK button.. But again, is it paroli or e17.. |
| 22:00.09 | PaulFertser | Pvt_Paula: since when you need to start ssh/scp as root on host when you access remote device? |
| 22:00.11 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: e17 more likely |
| 22:00.45 | rhkfin | khiraly1: so it shouldn't be reported as paroli issue.. same goes with the top mess, someone somewhere (angus?) mentioned it'w because of Qi (which I can't understand..) |
| 22:00.57 | Pvt_Paula | rhkfin: mount the device on your local linux machine |
| 22:01.24 | khiraly1 | rhkfin: when you hit only on the enter pin button, and you provide no pin at all. There will be several error messages (cant initialize audio, gsm, gprs, etc). And there is only one OK button for each popup. And around these OK buttons are some random color pixels |
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| 22:01.42 | Pvt_Paula | PaulFertser: this is what i asked myself, too, but it did not work for him as a normal user |
| 22:01.50 | rhkfin | Pvt_Paula: what's the problem, do you want to change something in the wiki? I myself have no problem with ssh & fr, works nice. |
| 22:02.07 | PaulFertser | Pvt_Paula: it means he did something wrong, i guess... |
| 22:02.12 | rhkfin | khiraly1: hmm. funny, I've seen the messages but didn't notice the errors.. |
| 22:02.17 | rhkfin | I mean the pixels |
| 22:02.28 | khiraly1 | close paroli and relaunch and try it out;) |
| 22:02.54 | rhkfin | Pvt_Paula: if your friend reflashed, he needs to edit the .ssh/known_hosts (and remove the old line) |
| 22:03.11 | Pvt_Paula | rhkfin: no, i'd just like to say that IF you are not able to mount the device, you might consider the use of sshfs |
| 22:03.31 | rhkfin | hmm.. mount as a block device? |
| 22:04.06 | CVirus | http://ofono.org/ |
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| 22:04.42 | rhkfin | CVirus: no opinion, eventually might run on Freerunner |
| 22:04.54 | rhkfin | khiraly1: ok, now I see the pixels - they are visible only after pressing the OK button |
| 22:04.58 | rhkfin | weird |
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| 22:05.12 | PaulFertser | Pvt_Paula: if you are not able to mount the device (with sshfs?) you might consider sshfs? What does it mean? |
| 22:05.28 | Pvt_Paula | rhkfin: if the openmoko was not in .ssh/knwon_hosts he would not been able to connect to the device |
| 22:05.29 | khiraly1 | we should just report and they decide how to procede (it is e17 bug or paroli) |
| 22:05.45 | rhkfin | khiraly1: right |
| 22:05.52 | khiraly1 | most likely it is e17 as paroli is only python and use elementary bindings |
| 22:06.12 | rhkfin | khiraly1: I'd report to ml and see what they recommend and then report to trac |
| 22:06.17 | rhkfin | that one |
| 22:06.26 | PaulFertser | Pvt_Paula: the opposite, his public key from host should be at ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on freerunner. |
| 22:06.28 | khiraly1 | ok |
| 22:07.33 | Pvt_Paula | rhkfin: well if it would not be, would he be able to connect to the device ro only or not at all? |
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| 22:08.07 | rhkfin | has no idea what Pvt_Paula and PaulFertser are talking about and keeps writing paroli issues to wiki ... |
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| 22:08.32 | PaulFertser | rhkfin: you're right, i'm resigning from this strange discussion with Pvt_Paula too. It makes no sense. |
| 22:09.05 | PaulFertser | rhkfin: thanks for you work on Paroli btw. |
| 22:09.13 | Pvt_Paula | PaulFertser: so the only method to mount the device is to mount it via sshfs? |
| 22:09.25 | rhkfin | PaulFertser: np.. I guess it doesn't happen unless someone does it.. |
| 22:09.32 | Pvt_Paula | PaulFertser: if this is true my friend definitly should have told me -.- |
| 22:10.05 | PaulFertser | Pvt_Paula: you can run any software on FR, including samba or nfs daemons. |
| 22:10.19 | PaulFertser | Pvt_Paula: you can use g_storage gadget even. |
| 22:10.31 | PaulFertser | Pvt_Paula: or you can avoid mounting altogether as scp is pretty much enough. |
| 22:11.43 | PaulFertser | Pvt_Paula: and afaik sshfs is a fuse-based wrapper around scp. |
| 22:11.43 | rhkfin | khiraly1: does your battery icon sometimes show empty also when illume shows 100% (Hmm.. I think it's because I haven't typed in the PIN..) |
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| 22:12.09 | Pvt_Paula | PaulFertser: well my friend is not able to use a console, so he needs to mount the device to edit the files with his editor using his browser (nautilus= |
| 22:12.40 | khiraly1 | Pvt_Paula: you can use scp from nautilus if Im right |
| 22:13.13 | Pvt_Paula | PaulFertser: i know, i'm sorry, but i just get too less information by my friend |
| 22:13.47 | PaulFertser | Pvt_Paula: is not able to use a console? I'm sorry, i didn't know he's disabled. |
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| 22:14.24 | Pvt_Paula | PaulFertser: well he changed to ubuntu ~3 months ago and just relied on guis -.- |
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| 22:15.58 | khiraly1 | Pvt_Paula: you can put the microSD card into a card reader even |
| 22:16.00 | rhkfin | Pvt_Paula: and is using Freerunner...??? I'd say he is lacking the basic skills to use it. I wouldn't suggest anyone to try anything on Freerunner (yet) without the skills to use command line... |
| 22:16.16 | PaulFertser | rhkfin++ |
| 22:16.31 | Pvt_Paula | rhkfin: well i told him the same, but he liked the free software aspect |
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| 22:17.44 | rhkfin | Pvt_Paula: Nice.. Then just tell him to install OM2009 testing 3 (and update the alsa state file) and stick to that for a month.. |
| 22:18.07 | rhkfin | it - is - not - a - phone - for - everyone - yet.. |
| 22:19.10 | khiraly1 | sftp://root@192.168.0.202/ |
| 22:19.10 | spaetz | ahh no? ;-P |
| 22:19.28 | khiraly1 | ^^ Pvt_Paula: type it into nautilus address bar |
| 22:19.42 | khiraly1 | when asking for password type a space and hit the connect button |
| 22:19.47 | khiraly1 | cant be easier |
| 22:19.52 | Pvt_Paula | well, i told him to change his freerunner to my htc kaiser (windows mobile 6.0 device) but he did not wan to change :( |
| 22:20.10 | spaetz | I bought it because the description on the web page appealed to me :"some people have managed to make phone calls with it" |
| 22:20.53 | rhkfin | spaetz: And it's true. |
| 22:21.08 | wurp2|working | I manage to make phone calls on mine almost every day ;-) |
| 22:21.10 | Pvt_Paula | khiraly1: using sftp would be the same as using sshfs |
| 22:21.18 | Pvt_Paula | khiraly1: i guess |
| 22:21.31 | khiraly1 | you can type ssh://root@192.168.0.202 too |
| 22:21.53 | rhkfin | khiraly1: actually I think it doesn't always work - the USB port doesn't always come up automatically and anyway one has to configure Ubuntu to understand that USB networking stuff.. Just some lines somewhere.. |
| 22:21.53 | khiraly1 | Pvt_Paula: I dont know, are you interesting about a *solution* or just want to edit the wiki page? |
| 22:21.54 | khiraly1 | ;) |
| 22:21.57 | spaetz | hehe, yep it works sometimes |
| 22:22.18 | Pvt_Paula | khiraly1: which is just another way of sshfs ;) |
| 22:22.25 | khiraly1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.40 | khiraly1 | ^^this to a command line, and after you can use nautilus |
| 22:22.44 | rhkfin | except that ssh:// gives a console access, not a GUI to move files? |
| 22:22.53 | rhkfin | right |
| 22:22.55 | khiraly1 | Pvt_Paula: who cares? You asked about nautilus solution |
| 22:23.30 | khiraly1 | sshfs, sftp, ssh. I do not really know the difference. |
| 22:23.44 | Pvt_Paula | khiraly1: yes because there is no |
| 22:24.16 | rhkfin | don't forget fish:// :) |
| 22:24.53 | Pvt_Paula | khiraly1: he mounted the phone via nm applet or so but he did not realised that it was done with sshfs, so i did not know that sshfs was the "usual" way to mount the device and wanted to propose another one |
| 22:25.03 | Pvt_Paula | khiraly1: got it now? |
| 22:25.50 | khiraly1 | ok |
| 22:26.37 | khiraly1 | Im away now. Good night. rhkfin thanks for jumping in for bug hunting/testing |
| 22:26.43 | rhkfin | wait.. |
| 22:26.52 | rhkfin | khiraly1: check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-issues |
| 22:27.02 | Pvt_Paula | khiraly1: good night |
| 22:27.02 | rhkfin | Just got the issues I wrote to ML added there |
| 22:27.29 | rhkfin | Just the first version.. Need to link to trac and so on.. |
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| 22:58.35 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r4969 10/trunk/gta02-core/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:58.35 | CIA-53 | openmoko: First set of components, by Dave Ball <dave@daveball.org.uk> |
| 22:58.36 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - PMU, PCF50633HN/04/N3 (U1701) |
| 22:58.36 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - DRAM, K4M51323PC-D (U2201) |
| 22:58.36 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - Codec, WM8753LGEFL (U3001) |
| 22:58.36 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - Accelerometer, LIS302DL (U7801) |
| 22:58.38 | CIA-53 | openmoko: - Boost converter, AAT1275IRN (U4904) |
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| 23:27.09 | CIA-53 | openmoko: 03werner * r4970 10/trunk/gta02-core/components/ (6 files): |
| 23:27.09 | CIA-53 | openmoko: Broke gta02-core.lib into per-component libraries. Script mkloe generates |
| 23:27.09 | CIA-53 | openmoko: gta02-core.lib from components. |
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| 23:43.36 | frankS2 | hi |
| 23:43.38 | frankS2 | anyone here use PISI? |
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