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| 00:35.11 | Blu3 | current shr unst kernel is horking and going dicks up |
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| 00:54.49 | Blu3 | it strikes me that the older kernels also did this. when i'm running gprs/pidgin, there must be a race condition causing an oops. during a suspend/resume event and intermittent but frequent use, it's oopsing |
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| 03:01.02 | mokoer | hello all! Any idea why opkg install zenity would return a " * Package zenity md5sum mismatch." ? How can I fix that? |
| 03:03.24 | ndnihil | opkg update maybe |
| 03:04.06 | DocScrutinizer | moin |
| 03:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | mokoer: for most of the package managers there's a --force option |
| 03:06.07 | mokoer | ndnihil: oh I am sorry, that error arises when trying to install the package downloading it from http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 03:06.23 | mokoer | DocScrutinizer: I couldn't find one --force in opkg... :( |
| 03:07.24 | mokoer | DocScrutinizer: I suppose the MD5 information in embedded in the package? Or maybe it is trying to compare with some MD5 from some repository, given a package with the same names exists in my repos. |
| 03:07.41 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea then. never put opkg on the vivisection bench ;-) |
| 03:08.03 | mokoer | DocScrutinizer: Thanks, lets see if someone gets that ;) |
| 03:08.07 | DocScrutinizer | the later I suppose |
| 03:08.46 | mokoer | When I try to install a package I manually downloaded, but exists with the same name in one of my configured repos, and both files are different, will opkg try to compare it with the repo MD5 value? |
| 03:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | maybe try to dl file, then install locally |
| 03:08.57 | mwester | mokoer: yes. |
| 03:09.06 | ndnihil | opkg install libgnomecanvas-2-0 http://www.opkg.org/packages/0_zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 03:09.12 | ndnihil | ^works |
| 03:09.13 | mokoer | mwester: any way to avoid that? |
| 03:09.26 | ndnihil | I installed that the other night, and have a group of launchers using it |
| 03:09.30 | mwester | check the available options, one of the force options may do it. |
| 03:09.40 | mwester | otherwise just rename the feeds dir in /var. |
| 03:09.44 | mokoer | ndnihil: I don't have the right libs... For some reason I don't fully undertand. I just did a kustomizer in it. |
| 03:09.47 | mwester | and rename it back when you're done. |
| 03:10.07 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: try http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash !! ;-D |
| 03:10.08 | mokoer | mwester: I couldn't find any --force that overrides that, unfortunatly. :( |
| 03:10.19 | ndnihil | mokoer: libs? I thought you had an md5 error? |
| 03:10.37 | ndnihil | I installed that very package on an old shr-testing just two nights ago |
| 03:10.38 | mokoer | ndnihil: libs? |
| 03:10.49 | ndnihil | 22:09 < mokoer> ndnihil: I don't have the right libs... |
| 03:11.18 | mokoer | ndnihil: oh yes, my lib versions aren't compatible with the package from the opkg.org repo. |
| 03:11.23 | ndnihil | oh |
| 03:11.33 | ndnihil | what dist are you running? |
| 03:12.25 | mokoer | ndnihil: Just installed Om2008.12 and ran a kustomizer over it. I am trying to find out which one fits my needs best, and so far seems to be the kustomizer. |
| 03:12.35 | mokoer | ndnihil: would you have any comments ont hat? |
| 03:12.43 | ndnihil | I would in fact |
| 03:12.57 | ndnihil | and it would be "try a different dist" |
| 03:12.58 | ndnihil | :) |
| 03:13.23 | ndnihil | I keep going back to an older version of shr-testing |
| 03:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | SHR! |
| 03:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | and "DON'T PANIC" ;-> |
| 03:14.25 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/bootsplash |
| 03:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, SHR rocks |
| 03:15.02 | mokoer | hmm didn't try SHR yet |
| 03:15.21 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr |
| 03:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | gives you ansemi-stable snapshot |
| 03:15.56 | ndnihil | be warned though, the latest ones have been kinda iffy |
| 03:16.02 | ndnihil | power button didnt work |
| 03:16.08 | ndnihil | and a couple other quirks |
| 03:16.12 | mokoer | 404 |
| 03:16.15 | DocScrutinizer | ooops, http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr-testing/ |
| 03:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | don't know my own folders :-) |
| 03:17.17 | mokoer | hm so should I choose some later snapshot? |
| 03:17.30 | ndnihil | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/ |
| 03:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | try 2009-04-16 first |
| 03:17.46 | ndnihil | but you might want to try that joerg version |
| 03:18.19 | mokoer | great |
| 03:19.44 | mokoer | are there any known quirks in SHR? like the echo, or no gprs or something alike? |
| 03:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | HOPES Ainulindale will PUBLISH STABLE SNAPSHOT eventually again |
| 03:21.29 | mwester | SHR suffers from an expectations problem. |
| 03:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | mokoer: echo is fixed in SHR&FSO /SHR based on FSO middleware). GPRS works great for me with the 04-16 mentioned above |
| 03:21.51 | mwester | Even the "unstable" versions used to work so well, that now people complain when it truely is *unstable*. |
| 03:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: I'm talking about TESTING |
| 03:22.31 | mwester | testing got screwed. |
| 03:22.49 | DocScrutinizer | never dare to run unstable on my daily phone |
| 03:23.05 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I say |
| 03:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | unscrew testing |
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| 03:23.39 | mwester | The problem is that the package renaming left testing back on the old names, with some brokenness --- unstable is on the new e lib names, courtesy raster, and is incompatible with testing packages. |
| 03:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | there's been times there was no kernel at all in testing |
| 03:24.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's when I came up with http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr-testing/ |
| 03:24.28 | mwester | So it's not easy to unscrew testing without pulling the package changes in, and as soon as the package rename changes come in then testing is pretty much at unstable, with the same problems (like the broken suspend/power menu). |
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| 03:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | FSCK :-/ |
| 03:24.38 | mwester | And raster is gone, so there's nobody to fix thiem. |
| 03:24.48 | mokoer | well I got pretty happy with kustomizer, I had been trying to find a way to use the phone as a primary (not only dev) phone for about 2 weeks before finding that script. |
| 03:24.51 | ndnihil | raster left? |
| 03:24.58 | ndnihil | left OM or left the community? |
| 03:25.00 | mwester | Ainulindale has a Real Life(tm) it seems... so we just diddle about. |
| 03:25.13 | mwester | raster went on some trip for two weeks. |
| 03:25.21 | ndnihil | ah |
| 03:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | raster left OM 6months ago |
| 03:26.13 | mwester | Basically, the focus seems to be on making unstable reasonably "stable", and then create a new testing snapshot. |
| 03:26.14 | ndnihil | yeah I knew he left OM |
| 03:26.30 | ndnihil | just didn't know if he had given up on the community yet |
| 03:26.44 | mwester | No he didn't give up; he just had business elsewhere. |
| 03:26.49 | ndnihil | gotcha |
| 03:26.50 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: hope they get a catch on that |
| 03:27.07 | mwester | Unfortunate that the timing left us with a nasty e bug... |
| 03:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | grrrrrrRRRRRRrrrrrrrRRrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 03:27.56 | mwester | DocScrutinizer: IMO, the biggest thing preventing a true release candidate is still the kernel -- we need that WSoD regression fixed. |
| 03:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | anyway fso bugs are much more nasty |
| 03:28.18 | mwester | There are no fso bugs. :p |
| 03:28.36 | DocScrutinizer | WSOD is a bootloader regression - quite obviously |
| 03:28.38 | mwester | Python is a bug itself, but other than that, the framework is perfect. :D |
| 03:28.52 | ndnihil | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.55 | ndnihil | ^QFT |
| 03:29.01 | mwester | Requiring all users to switch to Qi (or is uboot) is not reasonable, IMO. |
| 03:29.04 | ndnihil | can't stand python |
| 03:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | pfff "no suspend" wasn't a fso bug??? |
| 03:30.04 | mwester | I'd love python, except I cannot understand for anything what braindamage someone had to re-introduce column-sensitivity into a language; I thought that died with FORTRAN IV (and I burned my punched card deck when it died). |
| 03:30.11 | mwester | DocScrutinizer: er.. |
| 03:30.15 | mwester | No that was a feature. |
| 03:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | aaaah |
| 03:30.38 | mwester | :D We just aren't permitted to know what the feature was, precisely. That's all. |
| 03:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, me going to sleep away the additional year I'm sufering from |
| 03:31.15 | DocScrutinizer | bye |
| 03:31.38 | mokoer | DocScrutinizer: thanks, good night! |
| 03:31.42 | mwester | DocScrutinizer: did you see the email re the GTA02 experiement? |
| 03:31.50 | DocScrutinizer | welcome, mokoer |
| 03:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 03:32.29 | mwester | re bug 1024 -- I cc'd your om email addr. |
| 03:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | pot GTA02 in a 9' gun and see what happens? |
| 03:33.12 | DocScrutinizer | that's old, isnt it? |
| 03:33.14 | mwester | No. More evil. Equip mwester with a soldering iron and a C and let him attack the gta02. |
| 03:33.27 | DocScrutinizer | that's old, isnt it? |
| 03:33.34 | mwester | The 9" gun? |
| 03:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | >20h |
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| 03:33.48 | mwester | Oh the email -yes. |
| 03:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | night |
| 03:34.05 | mwester | just wanted to make sure you knew -- good night! |
| 03:34.10 | mwester | (as dawn arrives in de) |
| 03:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | sure it does |
| 03:35.01 | DocScrutinizer | hope noone is going to call me for any crazy party or sth |
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| 03:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | at least not befor this shitty day has reached noon |
| 03:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | will buy a magnum bottle champagne and see how long it takes to empty this alone n a nice forrest. not before sun's going down again tho |
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| 04:22.37 | raster | moo |
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| 04:42.28 | PaulFertser | Blu3: where's the oops output? Which kernel rev is that? Have you tried the latest kernel? |
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| 04:43.46 | Blu3 | i have yesterday's shr/unstable kernel, no output, phone does the blinky red on the led, can't get anything out of it and i'm never at home where i have the debug board when it happens |
| 04:44.14 | raster | yay! blinky red! |
| 04:45.39 | Blu3 | indeed |
| 04:47.58 | PaulFertser | Blu3: ramconsole? |
| 04:48.08 | raster | rampants |
| 04:48.14 | Blu3 | wut? |
| 04:49.14 | PaulFertser | Blu3: patch from this ticket http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2135 along with proper watchdog configuration will provide you with a way to sanely report kernel bugs. |
| 04:49.19 | Blu3 | reading on it |
| 05:19.00 | mokoer | In SHR, how do I get the phone to a state that it will turn off the LCD but tell me when a call rings? Suspend? |
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| 05:20.16 | max_posedon1 | suspend, or just turn off lcd... |
| 05:20.51 | max_posedon1 | power->suspend or wait some time |
| 05:21.12 | mokoer | waiting some time gets the system into a suspend? |
| 05:21.51 | max_posedon1 | yes, at least it should |
| 05:22.39 | mokoer | SHR seems really nice so far :) |
| 05:22.47 | raster | shrpants |
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| 05:23.34 | mokoer | hm I do think tangoGPS was installed, at least I told it to add it to the desktop in the beginning... But I don't seem to find it. |
| 05:24.15 | mokoer | is there a sub-menu or something alike that should contain the GPS applications? |
| 05:24.35 | max_posedon1 | may be some problems with icons |
| 05:24.48 | max_posedon1 | it should be on main screen |
| 05:25.03 | max_posedon1 | if dont start it manually |
| 05:25.10 | mokoer | how? |
| 05:25.32 | max_posedon1 | from terminal) |
| 05:26.08 | mokoer | ;yes it is there ;) |
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| 05:26.16 | max_posedon1 | CLI inerface, Linux..you know..) |
| 05:26.33 | mokoer | I do, yes. :) |
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| 05:31.11 | mokoer | how long does the battery last when I leave GPRS connected? |
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| 05:48.39 | max_posedon1 | gprs non issue |
| 05:49.11 | max_posedon1 | gsm , wifi lcd -biggest power killer |
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| 05:51.04 | max_posedon1 | with gprs problem is suspend, I think upto 12h |
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| 06:27.27 | Blu3 | does anyone have a correct bluetooth headset howto? |
| 06:27.56 | Blu3 | something that matches current fso/dbus/tools ? |
| 06:32.39 | PaulFertser | Blu3: there's a howto. |
| 06:32.52 | PaulFertser | Blu3: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner |
| 06:33.47 | Blu3 | yeah, i was looking for a howto that worked.. |
| 06:34.06 | PaulFertser | Blu3: bluetooth headset support reviewed that text and said it's ok. |
| 06:34.20 | PaulFertser | s/support/support author/ |
| 06:34.57 | PaulFertser | Blu3: so, this howto is quite near to be a working one. And it needs feedback. |
| 06:35.30 | PaulFertser | Everybody says "nah, it's not working" and gives up. It won't work ever given that attitude. |
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| 06:35.59 | Blu3 | one of the biggest drawbacks to this sort of project are the plethura of howtos that are outdated, broken, slightly off, heading in a different direction, etc |
| 06:36.13 | Blu3 | which makes everyone say "nay, it's not working" and give up |
| 06:36.54 | PaulFertser | Blu3: no, that's not the problem. It's python source after all! Source is the best documentation. |
| 06:36.55 | Blu3 | there's 50 different ways to do everything, most of them hand tailored and tweaked and don't work on most everyone else's fone |
| 06:37.01 | Blu3 | *cough* |
| 06:37.25 | PaulFertser | It's not hard to understand frameworkd code even for a person that never studied Python. |
| 06:38.17 | Blu3 | hardly any of the sms code is documented when it comes to binary messages, or why the openmoko-messages is incapable of extracting the date, or the phonebook name :> |
| 06:39.24 | PaulFertser | Blu3: SMS PDU format is documented in GSM standards. And in many other documents across the net. |
| 06:39.33 | Blu3 | like, this simple-agent script on the howto you gave me, blows up :) |
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| 06:40.13 | PaulFertser | Blu3: this simple-agent script is from bluez4 sources, from examples directory. Not everybody runs bluez4 from sources, that's why many people lack it. |
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| 06:40.42 | Blu3 | ok, it still blows up |
| 06:40.50 | PaulFertser | Blu3: how exactly? |
| 06:40.58 | Blu3 | dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.bluez.Error.NoSuchAdapter: No such adapter |
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| 06:41.33 | PaulFertser | Blu3: have you forgotten to power on bluetooth? |
| 06:41.34 | Blu3 | ahh, just run it again once or twice |
| 06:41.38 | Blu3 | nope |
| 06:42.29 | Blu3 | now that it's paired, i need to figure out how to make the audio and button commands work |
| 06:42.30 | PaulFertser | Blu3: are you using SHR Settings to activate BT? |
| 06:42.37 | Blu3 | it worked the 3rd time |
| 06:43.53 | PaulFertser | Blu3: i used simple-agent many times and it always worked... Provided that bluetoothd was started and BT chip powered. |
| 06:44.13 | Blu3 | if the howto says we need a fixed statefile, shouldn't the default statefile that gets installed .. get fixed? :) |
| 06:44.14 | PaulFertser | Blu3: button commands don't work yet. |
| 06:44.31 | Blu3 | heheh, well, i wasn't holding much hope for that honestly :> |
| 06:45.08 | PaulFertser | Blu3: BT support needs some user feedback. I'm not sure about the statefile, probably the correct file is already there on your system. Do a diff and tell the results ;) |
| 06:45.27 | Blu3 | i find it curiously odd that the gtaX has been out for so long and so much gadgetry has had little attention paid to it |
| 06:45.38 | Blu3 | yeah, i will in a moment |
| 06:47.00 | Blu3 | what the -official- wiki needs, is a front page section that has all the little places that things go, like "if you need to change your default audio settings, check these state files. X controls headset vol. Y controls the mic, ..." |
| 06:47.02 | PaulFertser | I don't understand it too. Those who can do things don't need it or have enough time. Those who have enough time and need things mostly complain instead of doing. |
| 06:47.26 | Blu3 | if i had the time (and i have much much more of it now), i do things |
| 06:47.52 | Blu3 | specifically the SMS - i want and need fully functional sms and mms |
| 06:47.55 | PaulFertser | That's great. Probably you're the one who will make BT headsets support more user-friendly ;) |
| 06:48.15 | Blu3 | i'm not interested in video, just rich markup |
| 06:48.16 | PaulFertser | MMS? I thought that's it's utter crap, both in conception and implementation. |
| 06:48.58 | PaulFertser | Almost no markup here on IRC, why anybody wants it for SMS's? |
| 06:49.00 | Blu3 | it's hard to sell things conceptually when they look like crap. i.e. plain ascii |
| 06:49.41 | Blu3 | additionally, there's very limited content length with plain sms |
| 06:49.43 | PaulFertser | Plain ascii looks like terminal-friendly, automated-processing-friendly, easy-to-write-easy-to-understand-easy-to-debug stuff. |
| 06:49.52 | Blu3 | plain ascii is for vi users |
| 06:49.58 | Blu3 | not for the rest of the world |
| 06:50.28 | PaulFertser | MMS is no different afaik, it just has a link to some wap site with actual message. Isn't it better to user real e-mail instead? |
| 06:50.51 | Blu3 | that sort of mentality keeps something with a big potential locked under moldy seed bags in an old barn |
| 06:51.06 | Blu3 | freerunner doesn't have real email either |
| 06:51.21 | Blu3 | claws mail is the only working mail program and it's interface is terribly cluttered |
| 06:51.30 | PaulFertser | Just install any MTA there and you'll be free to easily send e-mails from any scripts/programs. |
| 06:51.45 | PaulFertser | Haha, you know that obviously. |
| 06:51.50 | PaulFertser | Sendmail ftw |
| 06:52.02 | Blu3 | sorry. i use ssl for both imap and smtp. claws mail is the only mUa (not mta) that works |
| 06:52.04 | PaulFertser | As for the reading... Well, doesn't mutt work? |
| 06:52.13 | Blu3 | i use sendmail |
| 06:52.15 | Blu3 | nope |
| 06:52.44 | PaulFertser | Any recent MTA supports starttls smtp cyrus sasl whatever... And mutt supportst imap over ssl as well. |
| 06:52.52 | Blu3 | and it wasn't until the most recent release of CM that it worked either |
| 06:53.18 | Blu3 | MUA is for reading mail - ie. mutt, MTA is for sending mail - ie. sendmail |
| 06:53.43 | PaulFertser | I can't believe there're considerable difficulties in IMAP over SSL, it has even a dedicated ssl-only port... |
| 06:53.53 | PaulFertser | It worked in mutt for years. |
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| 06:54.27 | Blu3 | the wiki can be updated, the onboard gsmbluetooth.state matches that on the wiki |
| 06:54.32 | PaulFertser | And yes, sendmail and other MTAs support modern SMTP-related technologies for quite some time too. I see no real problems with e-mail on FR. |
| 06:54.52 | PaulFertser | Blu3: cool, thanks for reporting. I'll update it. Are you using SHR Unstable? |
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| 06:55.18 | Blu3 | it's not that mutt itself doesn't work w/ imaps, or other muas. it's that the muas in shr don't work for anything other than plain imap or smtp |
| 06:55.21 | Blu3 | yes |
| 06:55.38 | PaulFertser | No MUA should work with smtp afaik. |
| 06:55.58 | PaulFertser | It's just not necessary, as you have local MTA installed anyway. |
| 06:56.10 | PaulFertser | So, simple SMTP is enough. |
| 06:57.30 | Blu3 | ssmtp which is commonly installed by default in a lot of distributions these days, lacked the means to do user authentication inside starttls |
| 06:57.44 | Blu3 | it finally got that feature |
| 06:58.05 | Blu3 | sendmail on the flip side, arrogantly refuses to support certs with pass phrases |
| 06:59.34 | Blu3 | the rules.yaml block can be removed for shr/unstable as well |
| 06:59.44 | Blu3 | the onboard rules.yaml appears to match the wiki |
| 06:59.46 | PaulFertser | But it's not FR-specific problems... You know how responsive SHR devs are, just a report of good MTA/MUA combination with configuration options (provided dependencies can be easily obtained in OE) would be enough to get it in the feeds. |
| 07:00.18 | Blu3 | like opimd? ;-) |
| 07:03.21 | Blu3 | well, the pairing didn't hold. the phone thinks it's bonded, but the earpiece said ciao! |
| 07:03.25 | rwhitby | just put dovecot & postfix on there as MTA |
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| 07:03.44 | Blu3 | i use dovecot and sendmail on my server |
| 07:04.03 | Blu3 | it isn't possible to cc my mail store on my phone |
| 07:04.18 | rwhitby | postfix is a less arrogant version of sendmail ... |
| 07:04.20 | Blu3 | i get far too much email |
| 07:04.36 | Blu3 | postfix has it's own set of issues as well |
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| 07:07.38 | PaulFertser | Blu3: probably earpiece just went to power-saving mode? |
| 07:08.19 | Blu3 | 'tis possible, but now there's a desynchronization. the phone thinks it's attached, the earpiece doesn't |
| 07:08.36 | Blu3 | i have to forcibly un-pair it then re-pair it |
| 07:08.51 | PaulFertser | Luckily simple-agent script has support for that. |
| 07:09.27 | PaulFertser | BTW, it's a good idea, simple-agent should be added to SHR. |
| 07:10.55 | Blu3 | yes, but that sort of defeats the purpose of a BT earpiece -- digging out your phone, launching a terminal, and pairing your earpiece. by that time your fone call probably went to voicemail :> |
| 07:12.13 | PaulFertser | There's nothing special about pairing BT headset with FR... You can try to do the same with your laptop if you feel more comfortable with it. |
| 07:12.21 | Blu3 | i know |
| 07:12.32 | Blu3 | but there be something fishy between these two |
| 07:13.05 | PaulFertser | Who knows... How do you say if headset thinks it's powered or not? |
| 07:14.25 | Blu3 | it's powered, led indicators. they say it's going back into pairing mode |
| 07:17.22 | PaulFertser | Well, after i used simple-agent, my headset beeped once and left pairing mode... |
| 07:20.47 | Blu3 | ugg, now it's fighting with me, dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.bluez.Error.DoesNotExist: Device does not exist |
| 07:21.02 | Blu3 | however, hciconfig shows it there, and hcitool scan shows the earpiece |
| 07:22.12 | PaulFertser | Have you tried to remove bonding first? |
| 07:22.18 | Blu3 | you know. maybe it's going back to pairing mode because the fone insists on shutting off visibility |
| 07:22.29 | Blu3 | that's what i was attempting to do |
| 07:23.04 | Blu3 | toggling it off/on in settings made it work again |
| 07:24.39 | Blu3 | is there something i can add to frameworkd.conf to force wifi to always be on by default, and same for bt? |
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| 07:26.31 | PaulFertser | Blu3: I don't think so, last i saw it turned everything off to ensure consistency. |
| 07:26.39 | Blu3 | ^_^ |
| 07:27.47 | Blu3 | i thought we were making great strides when the gsm modem was turned on by default. it is a phone after all :> |
| 07:29.28 | PaulFertser | GSM modem is turned off by default. |
| 07:29.32 | PaulFertser | FYI |
| 07:29.45 | Blu3 | current unstable brings it up now |
| 07:30.04 | PaulFertser | Only after some program is started (Zhone or ophonekitd or Kapula or whatever) that requests GSM resource, it's powered on. |
| 07:30.31 | Blu3 | ok, current unstable ophonekitd requests that it get turned on by default now ;) |
| 07:30.39 | PaulFertser | So, that's a matter of starting some program that will request BT resource from ousaged. |
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| 07:31.52 | PaulFertser | Everything is turned off. Once somebody requests a resource, it's turned on. Until that somebody is holding the resource. That's how it works, it seems to be consistent and elegant enough. |
| 07:35.29 | Blu3 | that's fine, that's what i expect. but that's sidestepping a conf saying that something should be requested as enabled by default |
| 07:38.18 | PaulFertser | There's no conf like that. |
| 07:38.34 | PaulFertser | Probably ophonekitd should implement a configuration option like that. |
| 07:40.33 | Blu3 | better than inventing sliced bread |
| 07:41.30 | PaulFertser | So, are you still trying to get BT headset to work? |
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| 07:42.50 | Blu3 | no, tossed it back on the charger for the night. i should have gone to bed. gotta get up in 5 hours for the trainer |
| 07:43.08 | Blu3 | it pairs, but doesn't stay paired. i'll look at it another day |
| 07:43.30 | PaulFertser | Blu3: well, i've already improved the wiki section a bit. Thanks for feedback. |
| 07:43.40 | Blu3 | thank you kindly in return |
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| 09:42.40 | geaaru | hi, i'm trying to read kernel image from rootfs partition on my neo1973 but what are commands to load kernel from nand? |
| 09:42.45 | geaaru | ah maybe, nand read.e 0x32000000 rootfs? |
| 09:43.19 | geaaru | hi, i'm trying to read kernel image from rootfs partition on my neo1973 but what are commands to load kernel from nand? |
| 09:43.28 | geaaru | because on gta01 last kernels are too big for write it on kernel partition |
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| 10:15.00 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: fsotransport: remove posixextra vapi from this project |
| 10:15.00 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: * depend on fsoframework (which contains posixextra.vapi) |
| 10:15.00 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: * release as 0.9.2 |
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| 12:29.57 | Hakisho | Hello everyone |
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| 13:02.19 | playya | wtf? to many changes ^^ |
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| 13:04.25 | mickeyl | heh |
| 13:04.31 | mickeyl | just for you |
| 13:04.32 | mickeyl | :) |
| 13:04.49 | mickeyl | now that you bring sanity into our interfaces... |
| 13:04.57 | mickeyl | or the workflow, fwiw |
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| 13:25.11 | staale | When I'm booting Om2008.9 i get "No space left on device". I've also tried booting SHR. I tried formatting the micro SD card with both FAT32, ext2 and ext3 but nothing seems to work. |
| 13:25.26 | staale | Any idea how to fix this? |
| 13:26.14 | staale | The micro SD card is the one that came with the FR btw... 512MB |
| 13:26.52 | PaulFertser | staale: don't use OM2008.x? |
| 13:27.16 | PaulFertser | staale: flash SHR to NAND or prepare your SD properly? |
| 13:28.16 | staale | PaulFertser: Yeah, I wanted to use SHR, but since that didn't work out i decided to try Om2008.x |
| 13:28.19 | PaulFertser | staale: don't forget to flash kernel to NAND too if you plan to bot from it? |
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| 13:28.33 | PaulFertser | staale: om2008 is dead, forget about it |
| 13:29.22 | qknight | how to save that stupid pin of my gsm account? |
| 13:29.26 | staale | PaulFertser: I used NeoTool to flash my FR and as far as I know it flashes to NAND |
| 13:29.27 | qknight | i don't want to enter it on every reboot |
| 13:29.49 | PaulFertser | qknight: are you sure your sim prohibit you to disable it? |
| 13:29.54 | staale | PaulFertser: And what do you mean by prepare SD properly? Isn't ext3 a supported filesystem? |
| 13:30.08 | PaulFertser | staale: i don't know anything about neotool except that it's redudant. |
| 13:30.27 | PaulFertser | staale: well, it depends... Old u-boot can't read kernel from ext3, iirc. |
| 13:30.34 | qknight | PaulFertser: no i don't want to disable the code in general. the gui could just insert it for me automaticcally |
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| 13:30.44 | qknight | PaulFertser: how to do it without a gui auto fix? |
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| 13:31.24 | PaulFertser | qknight: i guess you need to ask SHR guys for it, i don't know other way... |
| 13:31.50 | staale | PaulFertser: Alright, thanks. I'll try to flash everything to NAND :) |
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| 13:32.07 | qknight | PaulFertser: thanks |
| 13:32.13 | qknight | at #shr? |
| 13:32.22 | dos1 | qknight: at #openmoko-cdevel |
| 13:32.36 | qknight | thanks |
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| 13:32.51 | PaulFertser | staale: if you never updated your bootloader, then do it first. |
| 13:33.32 | PaulFertser | staale: and i'd update GSM firmware too. |
| 13:34.34 | staale | PaulFertser: Okey, thanks. I've never updated the bootloader nor the GSM firmware, heh. |
| 13:34.55 | thrashold | My FR will be arriving these days. Any suggestions on what I should put on it? Debian or SHR? On one hand, Debian lacks stuff lack openmoko-dialer3 and so on, but I guess I can compile debs for those. On the other hand, I want unusual software that might be unavailable for SHR (ayttm, gnumeric), but I would probably be able to compile any of those too (but I wasn't happy when I had to play with that bb stuff when I had OM 2007.2). And would I have a perfo |
| 13:34.55 | thrashold | rmance hit if I put SHR on the SD card instead of the flash? |
| 13:36.09 | PaulFertser | thrashold: if you're comfortable with compiling E (including elementary) from source, then Debian is ok. But officially elementary is not packaged yet. |
| 13:39.01 | thrashold | I saw that, but I thought only elementary was missing. I would probably try to compile all the stuff while I'm waiting for the phone to be shipped :) |
| 13:41.16 | PaulFertser | Cross-compile ;) |
| 13:42.05 | thrashold | I think to use qemu. Slower, but I'm not familiar with all that cross-compile stuff :) |
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| 14:10.02 | Tanuva | thrashold: qemu is the sort of crosscompiling for debian since the toolchain creates opkg packages |
| 14:11.02 | PaulFertser | No, qemubuilder (as used by Debian folks) is native compiling. |
| 14:11.51 | Tanuva | okay, may depend on how to define the terms. I'd call compiling in such a specialized environment as qemubuilder crosscompiling, too. :) |
| 14:12.25 | thrashold | Does qemubuilder approach run the compiler with qemu, or it uses a native compiler for the destination arch? |
| 14:12.56 | Tanuva | the arm compiler is running inside a qemu-system-arm afaik |
| 14:13.07 | Tanuva | so its not crossing literally |
| 14:16.19 | staale | PaulFertser: Hmm, I flashed the kernel and the rootfs to NAND with dfu-util. However, when booting SHR i still get "Argh. No free space left for GC." Any idea how to fix this? |
| 14:17.53 | PaulFertser | staale: looks like you didn't flash rootfs... |
| 14:18.18 | PaulFertser | staale: are you sure you used the right NAND "partition"? |
| 14:21.18 | staale | PaulFertser: Hmm, I flashed rootfs by doing sudo dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 14:22.09 | PaulFertser | staale: looks ok... |
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| 14:23.34 | staale | It should be more than enough space on the NAND to boot SHR, right? |
| 14:23.39 | PaulFertser | Sure |
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| 14:25.26 | staale | I'm using Qi as bootloader btw... |
| 14:26.25 | PaulFertser | staale: well, it works here to boot from NAND... Are you sure you haven't done anything dangerous like nandwrite -pm? |
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| 14:29.35 | staale | PaulFertser: No, I haven't done anything like that. It started after I installed Android |
| 14:31.07 | staale | Or, after I flashed FR after having Android installed :p |
| 14:31.30 | PaulFertser | staale: are you sure you're booting from NAND and not from SD now? |
| 14:33.35 | staale | PaulFertser: Yes, I formatted the SD card. |
| 14:34.09 | PaulFertser | staale: i'd take it out to be sure. Because i don't understand the word "formatted" ;) |
| 14:34.48 | staale | Hehe, okey, I'll give it a try :) |
| 14:37.39 | staale | PaulFertser: Nah, I still get the same thing :/ |
| 14:39.10 | PaulFertser | staale: try to hold power button during the time Qi is loading the kernel, you'll get more debugging messages on screen, they might give some clue. |
| 14:39.37 | staale | PaulFertser: Okey, thanks, I'll try that |
| 14:39.54 | PaulFertser | staale: or just use SHR from your uSD. |
| 14:40.30 | staale | PaulFertser: Yeah |
| 14:40.42 | PaulFertser | staale: make one large ext2 partition, properly untar the files, ensure you have /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin there and you should get a bootable system. |
| 14:41.36 | staale | PaulFertser: Alright, thanks a lot :) |
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| 15:12.53 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r7483e3dc3e0c 10/fsodeviced/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fsodeviced: add skeleton for kernel26_powersupply plugin |
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| 15:27.45 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r327bcf3bc7ec 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_powersupply/plugin.vala: |
| 15:27.45 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: fsodeviced: kernel26_powersupply: add AggregatePowerSupply object |
| 15:27.45 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: In contrast to fso1, fso2 will feature an aggregated power supply object |
| 15:27.45 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: that combines the status of all available power supplies. This will |
| 15:27.47 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: then be the only one sending out status signals. The individual power |
| 15:27.49 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: supply objects will continue to be present; their status can be requested |
| 15:27.51 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: manually, but they will not send signals. |
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| 16:08.59 | PaulFertser | Can anyone explain why nokia 3310 i disassembled has plenty of large through-holes in PCB on the perimeter of the can holders? |
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| 16:30.17 | unknown_lamer | *sniff* today my nokia 7610 finally suffered hardware failure |
| 16:30.24 | unknown_lamer | of all things to go it was the switch under the 8 key |
| 16:30.42 | unknown_lamer | fiiiiiive long years my friend |
| 16:30.53 | unknown_lamer | or rather, worst enemy >:O teaches me ever to buy something fancy again |
| 16:31.19 | Zorkman | thank heavens you still have your freerunner unknown_lamer :p |
| 16:33.13 | doc|work | unknown_lamer: five years? that's pretty good going |
| 16:33.34 | unknown_lamer | Zorkman: I have no freerunner because the economy crashed for /me/ well over a year ago |
| 16:34.08 | unknown_lamer | I was initially waiting for the glamoless gta02 as gta03 but oops, let's make it fancy and have the entire project axed... |
| 16:35.47 | unknown_lamer | doc|work: yes. this is after having been smashed so badly at concerts that the camera lense shattered, been dropped countless times (ha, I do it as a trick sometimes -- the keypad + faceplates fly off and then I just put it back together and ... tada), had water poured on it a few times, been SUBMERGED (um, algae is slippery eh), etc. |
| 16:36.21 | unknown_lamer | doc|work: one time I even used it as a projectile weapon and broke someone's glasses :-X |
| 16:36.51 | unknown_lamer | shittiest software ever though |
| 16:37.20 | unknown_lamer | it makes ASU look like it was amazing ;-) |
| 16:37.38 | doc|work | haha, right, 5 years *and* that much abuse. You really can't complain too much. |
| 16:37.40 | doc|work | :) |
| 16:39.19 | unknown_lamer | and just to think, the damn switch under the 8 key hit its EOL and stopped clicking was all that broke |
| 16:39.56 | PaulFertser | unknown_lamer: is the key fubared? |
| 16:40.25 | unknown_lamer | PaulFertser: the key itself is fine (except that the keypad is starting to go in general -- I've had to replace that part once but it costs $15 for a new shell...) |
| 16:41.03 | PaulFertser | unknown_lamer: what about "the damn switch" under it then? |
| 16:41.03 | unknown_lamer | PaulFertser: but, I hopped the keypad off and checked the switch with a pencil and yeah, nothing. it was shorted yesterday and kept triggering by itself and this morning *sniff* dead |
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| 16:41.40 | unknown_lamer | PaulFertser: five years and a lot of sms ... the switches were probably not meant to be used for *this* long |
| 16:41.52 | unknown_lamer | the one set of moving parts on the entire phone, heh |
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| 16:46.53 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 17:04.16 | Kurisutian | Hi Everybody! Is there anyone that can help me? I have some trouble with the Mic Volume on my Freerunner.... |
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| 17:04.55 | Kurisutian | Whatever system I put on there (QT Extended, Openmoko, SHR, Android) every phonecall is barely to hear from the other side.... |
| 17:05.14 | lindi- | Kurisutian: alsactl -f a store and put the file "a" online during phonecall |
| 17:05.41 | Kurisutian | And I have no Idea how to change that or if there's something wrong with the phone itself.. |
| 17:06.30 | Kurisutian | lindi-: what system are you using? Currently I have Android Cupcake running.... |
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| 17:07.16 | lindi- | Kurisutian: debian but sound is kernel business, not distro |
| 17:07.30 | badcloud | how can I tell if there's any bandwidth used by tangogps? I'm downloading maps and I want to see if anything is happening |
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| 17:09.14 | Kurisutian | lindi-: well I asked bacause I'm not quite sure about the alsactl command if I can run that on android during a phone call.... |
| 17:09.42 | lindi- | Kurisutian: use something where you can run alsactl |
| 17:11.24 | Kurisutian | lindi-: OK, I'll get back here once I have it done.... thanks for the hint. Just one more question: Was your freerunner mic setting also to low or the calls generally quiet? I'm asking because I don't know yet if it's hardware related or not... |
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| 17:12.57 | lindi- | Kurisutian: it's all configurable |
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| 17:21.41 | Kurisutian | lindi-: Well said, now I just have to find the right controller from the 49 something that show up running alsamixer.... ;-) But thanks, that gives me hope... ;-) |
| 17:23.21 | lindi- | Kurisutian: just put the alsactl output online and I can help |
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| 17:30.02 | Kurisutian | lindi-: well I don't have time for it right now. I guess you're in here more often, so I will get back on you! But thanks in advance! Take care! BYE |
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| 18:17.54 | nqeOnOpenMoko | on debian: is opera mobile working? |
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| 18:34.44 | lindi- | nqeOnOpenMoko: opera is propritary stuff? |
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| 18:49.46 | nqeOnOpenMoko | lindi: i wouldn`t know. |
| 18:50.18 | lindi- | nqeOnOpenMoko: you wouldn't know? ;) |
| 18:50.29 | nqeOnOpenMoko | need good browser capable of proper ssl |
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| 18:52.19 | Zorkman | nqeOnOpenMoko: which distro? |
| 18:52.24 | Zorkman | have you tried woosh!? |
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| 18:53.10 | thrashold | nqeOnOpenMoko: Have you tried Midori? |
| 18:53.21 | dos1 | midori is sloooooooow |
| 18:53.31 | dos1 | is using links :D |
| 18:53.43 | dos1 | with x11 support of course |
| 18:53.52 | Zorkman | dillo launches like a F1car, but can't do much |
| 18:53.54 | lindi- | I use elinks without X |
| 18:53.58 | thrashold | I'mm happy with midori |
| 18:55.44 | nqeOnOpenMoko | running debian. midori install not succesfull yet, |
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| 19:19.16 | Wonka | hm... |
| 19:19.35 | Wonka | plugged my FR to my Notebook about 9 hours ago... |
| 19:19.42 | Wonka | did nothing with it |
| 19:19.55 | Wonka | now i see it's panic-flashing it's red led |
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| 19:24.24 | DocMobilizer | there's a 2nd src for red flashing: uboot recover from low bat |
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| 19:28.55 | Wonka | the FR was running when i plugged it in |
| 19:33.05 | DocMobilizer | Wonka: u can tell apart by flash freq |
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| 19:33.37 | Wonka | quite fast flashing |
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| 19:33.57 | Wonka | also, my FR does motorboating without bat |
| 19:34.45 | lindi- | Wonka: sounds like kernel panic, please apply ramconsole patch and use watchdog to see it |
| 19:34.48 | lindi- | Wonka: or use debug board |
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| 19:35.06 | DocMobilizer | iirc uboot flash is very slow |
| 19:35.32 | Wonka | *sigh* I should get me a size 3 torx driver... |
| 19:35.55 | Wonka | and see why my FR manages to panic after days of uptime |
| 19:36.42 | DocMobilizer | dont think a tx3 will help |
| 19:36.55 | Wonka | it will help to connect the debug board to the FR, nor? |
| 19:37.25 | DocMobilizer | after all iirc its tx6 |
| 19:37.44 | Wonka | whichever it may be - i don't have one :/ |
| 19:38.39 | Wonka | hmm... does Qi use any the u_boot-env partition? |
| 19:38.43 | Wonka | -any |
| 19:39.23 | Wonka | if not, could that one be used as a dmesg ring buffer, so that panic stuff could get written there? |
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| 19:39.57 | DocMobilizer | Wonka: consider lindi- suggestion |
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| 19:40.29 | DocMobilizer | it's exactly that basically |
| 19:46.35 | Wonka | cool |
| 19:47.48 | PaulFertser | soldered what seems to be a proper m2bus cable to communicate with nokia 3310 but can't get anywhere with gnukii ... :-/ |
| 19:47.49 | Wonka | this kernel has CONFIG_ANDROID_RAM_CONSOLE=y and CONFIG_ANDROID_RAM_CONSOLE_ENABLE_VERBOSE=y |
| 19:48.29 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: cool - I have one of those too. How do I install SHR? :) |
| 19:49.07 | DocMobilizer | huh? |
| 19:49.08 | Wonka | so what kernel parameter would I need now? mem=127M panic=20? |
| 19:49.23 | DocMobilizer | missed the pun |
| 19:49.35 | lindi- | Wonka: for example |
| 19:49.59 | lindi- | Wonka: that android_ram_console is totally different |
| 19:50.19 | lindi- | I came up with the name first ;) |
| 19:50.19 | PaulFertser | Wow, it started to work after i plugged in external power, googled that trick :) |
| 19:50.36 | Wonka | lindi-: hm, so it's not ramconsole-1? |
| 19:50.39 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: do you use yours as a GSM modem? ;) |
| 19:50.42 | Wonka | lindi-: can I still use it? |
| 19:51.10 | lindi- | Wonka: i don't know what it does |
| 19:51.11 | SpeedEvil | PaulFertser: no - it's kinda broken. |
| 19:51.12 | Wonka | ATM, i would not really like to build my own kernel... |
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| 19:54.05 | PaulFertser | SpeedEvil: FTDI232RL rocks |
| 19:55.24 | DocMobilizer | isn't it obsolete? |
| 19:57.00 | SpeedEvil | DocMobilizer: it's not obsolete, it's just resting. |
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| 19:58.22 | PaulFertser | DocMobilizer: what is obsolete? |
| 19:58.36 | DocMobilizer | what's the chip in debubo? |
| 19:58.58 | DocMobilizer | (sorry aft) |
| 19:59.04 | dos1 | debubo... i like that name ;) |
| 20:00.21 | PaulFertser | DocMobilizer: FT2232D |
| 20:00.29 | PaulFertser | DocMobilizer: and a conventional usb hub. |
| 20:02.00 | DocMobilizer | yup, thouht FT2232Dis obsoleting 232 |
| 20:04.11 | PaulFertser | DocMobilizer: nope, it's basically the same but in chip in debubo has two 8-bit outputs and requires some external components (including 12MHz). |
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| 20:04.52 | DocMobilizer | aah ok. good point |
| 20:04.56 | PaulFertser | DocMobilizer: i think FT232R is more modern then. |
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| 20:06.25 | PaulFertser | And FT232R can provide good stable clock to some external circuity, uC e.g. |
| 20:06.45 | DocMobilizer | coool |
| 20:07.23 | PaulFertser | And RL is a semi-convenient SSOP 0.8 variant. |
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| 20:08.26 | DocMobilizer | reduced length ;-D |
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| 20:44.02 | jonquark | Is anyone here using a recent svn build of navit and SHR? (I'd like to know whether the audio breakage after suspend is fixed) |
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