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| 02:24.20 | Digital_Pioneer | Aaahhh! My phone's sound is completely dead! Help!! :( |
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| 02:24.57 | Digital_Pioneer | http://rafb.net/p/1HNAVp89.html |
| 02:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | DON'T PANIC! |
| 02:25.28 | Digital_Pioneer | I'm panicking! |
| 02:27.09 | DocScrutinizer | what's the meaning of "completely dead"? |
| 02:27.39 | Digital_Pioneer | Umm, there's no sound. If I make a call, there's nothing. |
| 02:27.52 | Digital_Pioneer | And if I try to load the gsmhandset.state file, it gives the above error. |
| 02:27.58 | Digital_Pioneer | Errors. |
| 02:28.36 | Digital_Pioneer | Sound is somewhat critical on a phone. |
| 02:29.15 | Digital_Pioneer | If I aplay /dev/urandom, it works.... |
| 02:33.51 | mirko-paroli | hi Dr DocScrutinizer |
| 02:34.02 | DocScrutinizer | moin |
| 02:34.21 | CVirus | [05:24] <Digital_Pioneer> Sound is somewhat critical on a phone. |
| 02:34.29 | CVirus | this has just been added to my favourite quotes on facebook |
| 02:34.37 | mirko-paroli | CVirus: LOL |
| 02:35.02 | Digital_Pioneer | CVirus: Hahahah |
| 02:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, let me look at the errorlog then |
| 02:36.08 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, I just got a call and it worked.... |
| 02:36.29 | Digital_Pioneer | I played with my gsmhandset.state before that, though, that must've done it. |
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| 02:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | prety much looks like as your errorlog says "no such file" |
| 02:38.13 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, though neither of the things it said were no such file appeared to be filenames. |
| 02:38.25 | DocScrutinizer | Digital_Pioneer: just make a cat to full_filename |
| 02:38.44 | Digital_Pioneer | I reverted the statefile to package default. |
| 02:39.06 | Digital_Pioneer | And now it works, except I'm opkg upgrading now and that has the dialer crashing. |
| 02:46.46 | DocScrutinizer | Digital_Pioneer: you should have simply copied the *real* statefile to the correct folder ;-) |
| 02:47.21 | Digital_Pioneer | DocScrutinizer: The *real* statefile that's buzzing around the community ML is what caused the problem in the first place |
| 02:47.43 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
| 02:48.34 | DocScrutinizer | it worked for wendy and me, and seems it worked for a lot of other people as well |
| 02:48.51 | Digital_Pioneer | Well it broke my phone! }:( |
| 02:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | no way |
| 02:49.11 | Digital_Pioneer | And got me onto CVirus's Facebook quotes. |
| 02:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | *you* broke your phone |
| 02:49.34 | Digital_Pioneer | I'm a Linux hacker. |
| 02:49.39 | Digital_Pioneer | Of course I broke my phone. |
| 02:49.43 | Digital_Pioneer | That's beside the point. |
| 02:49.48 | DocScrutinizer | probably you messed the file, maybe by download |
| 02:49.57 | Digital_Pioneer | Bah, suuuuuure. |
| 02:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | or u r using it for gta01 |
| 02:50.38 | Digital_Pioneer | Nope |
| 02:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, no idea then |
| 02:51.19 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, we shall see what happens after my upgrade finishes. |
| 02:51.31 | Digital_Pioneer | I'll give it another shot. |
| 02:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | as you can see in the trac-ticket Mat used it and thought it works but he needs to spoil it |
| 02:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: used that "spoiled" version and it worked for him (though much too low mic sensitivity, as expected from Mat's spoiling) |
| 02:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | so obvoiusly it's not the file that borked your phone |
| 02:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | who's left over to be the one in fault then? ;-) |
| 02:55.38 | Digital_Pioneer | IDK, I'm sure it's your fault somehow.... |
| 02:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | only for the remaining next 7min. then the "fault" token is passed to next person in charge |
| 02:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | from 3:00 to 4:00 GMT I think it's Werner's turn "to take the blame" |
| 03:00.56 | Digital_Pioneer | Hahahah |
| 03:01.13 | slaxxer | it was me |
| 03:01.48 | slaxxer | its a damn good thing u got it fixed to |
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| 03:04.30 | jc | DocScrutinizer: Werner is not on-line yet. you need to do "overtime". |
| 03:04.42 | DocScrutinizer | darn |
| 03:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | mornin jc :) |
| 03:05.37 | jc | DocScrutinizer: morning. |
| 03:06.06 | Digital_Pioneer | DocScrutinizer: Yes, you are the chief scapegoat for another full shift, and no, you're not getting paid for overtime. |
| 03:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, so no change from normal working hours then. good! I'll do another extra hour for the mere fun of it :@ |
| 03:09.21 | Digital_Pioneer | listens to a song called Ogg Vorbis. |
| 03:10.05 | DocScrutinizer | i refuse to take the blame for THAT |
| 03:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | that's just too hard |
| 03:10.36 | Digital_Pioneer | Heheheh, that's OK. It's a cool song. |
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| 03:15.43 | Digital_Pioneer | DocScrutinizer: Ahh, yes, Trac gave me a bad file. It was HTML instead of alsa statefile. |
| 03:16.21 | DocScrutinizer | "on download" That's exactly what I expected |
| 03:17.34 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, the speaker is much louder now, but the mic is too sensitive. |
| 03:18.22 | Digital_Pioneer | i.e. the robot at 611 constantly thinks I'm talking when I'm not, and can't understand me. |
| 03:19.16 | Digital_Pioneer | So does anyone know how to confirm that frameworkd is aware of my bluetooth headset? |
| 03:19.24 | DocScrutinizer | reduce #ri by one step |
| 03:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | reduce #48 by one step |
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| 03:20.00 | Digital_Pioneer | Heheh |
| 03:20.43 | DocScrutinizer | it's optimized for A7 and buzzfixed devices |
| 03:21.41 | Digital_Pioneer | Much better. :D |
| 03:21.48 | DocScrutinizer | other devices have a higer sensitivity, so one step down on #48 will adjust for this |
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| 03:30.10 | Digital_Pioneer | So do you know anything about FSO and bluetooth headsets? |
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| 04:17.46 | khiraly11 | strange |
| 04:17.55 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: are you there? |
| 04:17.59 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: yepp |
| 04:18.03 | mirko-paroli | trying to anyhow ;) |
| 04:18.13 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: I suspended my phone about 6 hour ago |
| 04:18.19 | mirko-paroli | k |
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| 04:18.26 | khiraly11 | and I couldnt wake up |
| 04:18.46 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: bat empty? |
| 04:18.52 | khiraly11 | But I could call, and heard at the other phone calling the device, but freerunner never ringed |
| 04:19.01 | mirko-paroli | oh |
| 04:19.04 | mirko-paroli | can you ssh in? |
| 04:19.10 | khiraly11 | also didnt reagiert to usb either |
| 04:19.17 | mirko-paroli | LOL |
| 04:19.19 | mirko-paroli | reagiert |
| 04:19.26 | khiraly11 | sorry |
| 04:19.43 | mirko-paroli | hehe no worries |
| 04:19.52 | khiraly11 | react |
| 04:19.54 | mirko-paroli | I also do that ab und zu |
| 04:20.04 | khiraly11 | my german is not that good;) |
| 04:20.30 | mirko-paroli | my hungarian could use some polishing as well ;) |
| 04:20.35 | khiraly11 | doh |
| 04:21.09 | mirko-paroli | btw back to your prob, it sounds like a "thought-to-be-gone" problem with the framework |
| 04:21.11 | khiraly11 | so I restarted the phone, I can attache to the computer, can I grasp some info from it |
| 04:21.22 | mirko-paroli | I think the logs are not persistent |
| 04:21.33 | mirko-paroli | and if the phone was in suspend there is no logging anyhow |
| 04:21.34 | mirko-paroli | me thinks |
| 04:21.46 | khiraly11 | !doh |
| 04:21.53 | khiraly11 | so no way to know what happened |
| 04:22.23 | khiraly11 | what is really strange that it didnt react to usb |
| 04:23.04 | mirko-paroli | yepp indeed |
| 04:23.06 | mirko-paroli | hmm |
| 04:23.18 | mirko-paroli | we ahve to ask mickey|zzZZzz later, or alphaone |
| 04:23.31 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: Im now definietly interested writing a small app using paroli (my note taking application for my work) |
| 04:23.40 | mirko-paroli | ah nice |
| 04:23.42 | khiraly11 | this illume keyboard is awesome |
| 04:23.42 | mirko-paroli | :) |
| 04:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 04:24.18 | khiraly11 | I created a dict where only contained 20 keyword what I always need to write down (to the paper) |
| 04:24.30 | khiraly11 | s/to/on/ |
| 04:24.43 | khiraly11 | on the paper |
| 04:25.21 | khiraly11 | no matter how bad I type on the illume keyboard he suggest the right keyword. Unbelievable |
| 04:25.41 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: let me know how and when you wanna start and I'll help if I can :) |
| 04:27.05 | khiraly11 | This weekend I will. I will figure out how want my ui, and how will the application look. I need some table (or list) a suggestbox (dropdown menu), and a numpad like in dialer (to type numbers easily) |
| 04:27.20 | gustavold | how do I increase the volume of calls (voice)? I'm using shr-testing. |
| 04:27.56 | khiraly11 | DocScrutinizer: huh? <- are you referring this strange suspend behaviour? |
| 04:27.59 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: sounds good |
| 04:28.10 | DocScrutinizer | how could no resume on inbound call be a framework issue? |
| 04:28.30 | mirko-paroli | DocScrutinizer: because it needs to unsuspend, doesn't it? |
| 04:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | kernel does unsuspend |
| 04:28.50 | mirko-paroli | oh my bet |
| 04:28.52 | mirko-paroli | bed |
| 04:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | nah, basically uboot does |
| 04:28.54 | mirko-paroli | bat |
| 04:29.02 | mirko-paroli | sry mickey|zzZZzz and alphaone |
| 04:29.13 | mirko-paroli | so we need nelson then |
| 04:29.14 | mirko-paroli | ;) |
| 04:29.31 | khiraly11 | DocScrutinizer: dont know. But the callypso chip was definietly alive, because at the other end was ringing. And when I took out the battery, and repeated the call, I heard a voice that the other party is not available |
| 04:29.36 | mirko-paroli | i just know it is not on my plate ;) |
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| 04:29.45 | khiraly11 | DocScrutinizer: I have Qi |
| 04:29.46 | DocScrutinizer | if it doesn't resume at all, you need update to moko11 |
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| 04:31.05 | khiraly11 | DocScrutinizer: It suspended before. This is the first time |
| 04:31.26 | khiraly11 | ok. I'll check what moko firmware do I have |
| 04:32.43 | khiraly11 | hmm. How can I check it which firmware do I hvae? |
| 04:36.28 | khiraly11 | DocScrutinizer: cant find any mentioning on the wiki how to verify which firmware do I have |
| 04:36.48 | khiraly11 | I can ask david (tuxbrain) if he updated my phone. |
| 04:37.08 | DocMobilizer | settings-phone-modeminfo |
| 04:37.45 | khiraly11 | under shr? |
| 04:37.48 | mirko-paroli | DocMobilizer: know of any good mobile irc/chat client (somewhat optimized for small devices) ? |
| 04:38.00 | DocMobilizer | shr |
| 04:38.09 | khiraly11 | ok I reboot than |
| 04:38.11 | khiraly11 | to shr |
| 04:38.41 | DocMobilizer | mirko-paroli: nope |
| 04:38.44 | khiraly11 | 5 minutes and I can report back;) |
| 04:38.54 | mirko-paroli | DocMobilizer: k so we have to write one |
| 04:39.02 | mirko-paroli | well, "we" is relative here |
| 04:39.17 | DocMobilizer | xchat is good allegedly |
| 04:43.13 | DocMobilizer | pidgin works but is a pita due to lack of 400x640 adaption |
| 04:43.25 | mirko-paroli | DocMobilizer: nah, pidgin is a pain |
| 04:43.35 | mirko-paroli | it's based on several windows |
| 04:43.42 | mirko-paroli | a luxury we don't have |
| 04:43.54 | mirko-paroli | or at least shoudl implement differently |
| 04:44.12 | DocMobilizer | yup |
| 04:45.29 | khiraly11 | DocMobilizer: code: 21601, cid: 053E, act: GSM, provider: H PANNON GSM, lac: 002F, strength: 93, |
| 04:45.29 | mirko-paroli | once I reimplemented the sh**ty parts in paroli |
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| 04:46.07 | khiraly11 | revision: GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko11 |
| 04:46.18 | khiraly11 | DocMobilizer: ^^ |
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| 04:47.23 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: http://code.google.com/p/ircm/ |
| 04:47.29 | khiraly11 | ^^ irc client for iphone |
| 04:47.54 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 04:48.48 | khiraly11 | just it is written in stange language |
| 04:49.03 | mirko-paroli | yeah |
| 04:49.04 | mirko-paroli | ;) |
| 04:49.14 | mirko-paroli | nah should fit to the rest of paroli |
| 04:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | khiraly11: then blame Qi or the kernel it's not resuming |
| 04:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | no idea here |
| 04:51.42 | khiraly11 | DocScrutinizer: I will examine if it is repeatable. Like having this issue overnight all the time. And with just om2009 and shr too... |
| 04:51.53 | khiraly11 | need some time for this. At lest 5-6 days |
| 04:51.56 | khiraly11 | least |
| 04:52.36 | khiraly11 | just when it happens would be nice to know how to debug more. |
| 04:52.52 | khiraly11 | i was not using gprs for example |
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| 04:53.56 | khiraly11 | DocScrutinizer: from moko11 there is only one version, no? |
| 04:54.01 | khiraly11 | so I have the latest.... |
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| 05:01.39 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: I got reply on the .desktop file issue. I will test it on the phone |
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| 05:02.33 | mirko-paroli | k |
| 05:02.41 | sypher7 | just got my moko today and i've been playing around with the various distros. i have to say there's no lack of projects to work on! :-P |
| 05:03.08 | mirko-paroli | sypher7: there is always room for improvement :) |
| 05:03.55 | sypher7 | mirko-paroli: for sure. now i need to decide which one to stick on my phone and try to help out with |
| 05:04.08 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 05:04.20 | mirko-paroli | we should create some kind of questionaire |
| 05:04.35 | mirko-paroli | like "what fr distro and project are you?" |
| 05:05.11 | sypher7 | hehe. i definitely plan on having a few SD cards with various ones on them for quick switching |
| 05:05.14 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: the old paroli (which comes with om2009) feels a bit more responsible when clicking on Msgs, Tele, People |
| 05:05.22 | khiraly11 | Im not sure with I/O |
| 05:05.39 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: are you running from source? |
| 05:05.56 | mirko-paroli | the output on the console could slow things down a little |
| 05:06.03 | khiraly11 | nope |
| 05:06.25 | khiraly11 | When I start the phone it starts the old paroli (which comes with om2009 testing image) |
| 05:06.30 | khiraly11 | and it feels more responsible |
| 05:06.33 | mirko-paroli | hmm there goes that idea ;) |
| 05:06.49 | khiraly11 | But I have desktop icon for the new (git version) of paroli |
| 05:07.00 | khiraly11 | so would be nice to add some timing printing in the log file |
| 05:07.11 | mirko-paroli | in the log file is time |
| 05:07.17 | mirko-paroli | jsut on the output not |
| 05:07.25 | khiraly11 | ok, I'll check it |
| 05:09.39 | khiraly11 | i see |
| 05:12.44 | DocScrutinizer | khiraly11: there's only moko11 |
| 05:13.05 | khiraly11 | DocScrutinizer: Thx. So I have the latest. ok. |
| 05:14.16 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: there are some issue with logging |
| 05:14.31 | khiraly11 | here is the old paroli: http://pastebin.com/f32dd13fc |
| 05:14.35 | khiraly11 | there is nice output |
| 05:14.44 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 05:14.51 | mirko-paroli | I think I know what you are getting at |
| 05:15.04 | khiraly11 | but in the git version, when I click on Tele, Msgs, etc the log does not change |
| 05:15.11 | khiraly11 | there is nothing appened at the end |
| 05:16.07 | khiraly11 | oh, and I know in which version do I am, because the I/O Msgs People Tele order changed |
| 05:16.33 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 05:16.37 | mirko-paroli | the order didn't change |
| 05:16.44 | mirko-paroli | a different option is enabled |
| 05:16.51 | mirko-paroli | one looks for all apps |
| 05:16.55 | mirko-paroli | the other only for certain apps |
| 05:17.08 | mirko-paroli | certain apps is written is stone (the order) |
| 05:17.18 | mirko-paroli | "old paroli" shows only certain apps |
| 05:17.53 | khiraly11 | this cause the slowdown? |
| 05:18.03 | mirko-paroli | unlikely |
| 05:18.14 | mirko-paroli | it must be something that is running at all times |
| 05:19.12 | khiraly11 | http://pastebin.com/m7c31244a |
| 05:19.16 | khiraly11 | http://pastebin.com/m20d96b7f |
| 05:19.22 | khiraly11 | ^^ the two paroli.scg |
| 05:19.24 | khiraly11 | cfg |
| 05:19.48 | khiraly11 | and where the logging get broken?;) |
| 05:19.57 | mirko-paroli | none of them is in /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg |
| 05:20.17 | mirko-paroli | the logging ain't broken |
| 05:20.53 | mirko-paroli | i do get the output and I am on the same rev :) |
| 05:20.53 | khiraly11 | the new one does not log, when I click on I/O, Msgs, People, Tele |
| 05:21.20 | mirko-paroli | does anything actually happen after you click? |
| 05:22.17 | khiraly11 | nope |
| 05:22.29 | khiraly11 | but I just got an incoming call and it got logged |
| 05:22.30 | mirko-paroli | then there won't be any logging as nothing happens |
| 05:22.48 | mirko-paroli | so the prob is not the missing log, but that nothing happens |
| 05:22.51 | khiraly11 | I got a battery changed line, when I didnt touch the screen |
| 05:22.57 | mirko-paroli | yepp |
| 05:23.11 | khiraly11 | but I dont get logs when I click on I/O, Msgs, People, Tele |
| 05:23.13 | mirko-paroli | do you have an app open? |
| 05:23.23 | mirko-paroli | a call? |
| 05:23.39 | khiraly11 | My sister just called me |
| 05:23.43 | khiraly11 | yepp |
| 05:23.55 | mirko-paroli | yepp meaning? |
| 05:24.29 | khiraly11 | yepp, I have paroli open. And only paroli(home screen) |
| 05:24.49 | mirko-paroli | ok |
| 05:24.53 | khiraly11 | (07.23.12) mirko-paroli: do you have an app open? <-- what do you mean by that? |
| 05:24.55 | mirko-paroli | then your callbacks didn't reconnect |
| 05:24.59 | mirko-paroli | an app such as I/O |
| 05:25.03 | mirko-paroli | msgs |
| 05:25.06 | mirko-paroli | or likewise |
| 05:25.08 | mirko-paroli | settings |
| 05:25.40 | khiraly11 | ohh, And when I got the call, it changed to the Tele screen, I answered, talked with my sister, but the tele screen disappeared, and I couldnt hang up |
| 05:26.02 | mirko-paroli | the "tele" screen here is a "call" screen |
| 05:26.03 | khiraly11 | I can repeat my calling. A sec |
| 05:26.12 | mirko-paroli | which disappears after the call is disconnected |
| 05:26.28 | mirko-paroli | I suggest you have a look at the paroli-launcher2.py code |
| 05:26.33 | mirko-paroli | in paroli apps |
| 05:26.36 | khiraly11 | nope |
| 05:26.41 | khiraly11 | its definietly a bug here |
| 05:26.45 | mirko-paroli | sure |
| 05:26.50 | mirko-paroli | but someone has to find it ;) |
| 05:26.53 | khiraly11 | because when I call this time, i cant answer it |
| 05:27.10 | khiraly11 | there is only the homescreen showing (with the big clock) |
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| 05:27.44 | khiraly11 | so I cant accept the call anymore. It rings, it vibrates, just dont get the "call" screen to accept it |
| 05:28.11 | mirko-paroli | i heard ya, but please bear in mind I can't debug something I don't see |
| 05:28.13 | mirko-paroli | so |
| 05:28.39 | mirko-paroli | either reproduce it and file a trac ticket so that I can reproduce it |
| 05:28.54 | mirko-paroli | or you dive into the code and try to find the buggy part |
| 05:29.09 | mirko-paroli | it's very difficult for me to know what went wrong |
| 05:31.40 | khiraly11 | http://pastebin.com/d33a98b36 |
| 05:32.03 | khiraly11 | oh, I definietly need some privacy in the log. Dont print sms content and phone numbers |
| 05:32.20 | mirko-paroli | yeah |
| 05:33.00 | khiraly11 | but Im more interested where the logging broke;) |
| 05:33.05 | khiraly11 | I'll retry my experience |
| 05:33.17 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: again, the log didn't break, the apps are not activated anymore |
| 05:33.23 | mirko-paroli | so there is no logging |
| 05:33.28 | khiraly11 | but the screen changed |
| 05:33.40 | khiraly11 | I could happily typing phone numbers |
| 05:33.45 | khiraly11 | (in tele for example) |
| 05:34.14 | mirko-paroli | ok, then try to reproduce it, the logging is done before the app is called so if an app opens, there is a log |
| 05:35.01 | mirko-paroli | did you cut parts from the log? |
| 05:35.13 | mirko-paroli | there is 11 seconds missing |
| 05:35.34 | mirko-paroli | or is that 2 logs? |
| 05:35.41 | mirko-paroli | do you have 2 paroli instances running? |
| 05:37.29 | mirko-paroli | ah the time was set |
| 05:37.37 | khiraly11 | I erased the sms part of it |
| 05:37.42 | khiraly11 | I thought it was the beginning |
| 05:37.50 | mirko-paroli | but there seems to be sth missing between 235 and 236 |
| 05:38.15 | khiraly11 | doh. You are right |
| 05:38.39 | khiraly11 | I erased blindly the sms part of the log, so maybe I erased some half line with it |
| 05:38.40 | khiraly11 | sorry |
| 05:38.49 | mirko-paroli | no worries |
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| 05:40.09 | khiraly11 | ok. Now I have the same problem (I restarted enlightenment and paroli), I dont get the call screen |
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| 05:41.18 | khiraly11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.25 | khiraly11 | ^^ the non edited full log this time |
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| 05:43.22 | mirko-paroli | incoming call= |
| 05:43.27 | mirko-paroli | and no call window? |
| 05:43.32 | khiraly11 | nope |
| 05:43.46 | khiraly11 | no call window |
| 05:43.51 | ndnihil | same thing I had last night |
| 05:44.35 | khiraly11 | and after I do not get call window at all |
| 05:44.35 | khiraly11 | I retried calling myself |
| 05:44.36 | ndnihil | did you start paroli? |
| 05:44.50 | ndnihil | mine wouldn't answer unless paroli was already running |
| 05:45.00 | khiraly11 | I restarted yes. I have home screen |
| 05:45.19 | ndnihil | do you have the black screen with the clock? |
| 05:46.04 | khiraly11 | what is strange, after quiting paroli I couldnt relaunch from e. I need to restart enlightenment itself |
| 05:46.05 | khiraly11 | ndnihil: yes. |
| 05:46.05 | ndnihil | oh |
| 05:46.05 | khiraly11 | ok. I restart now one more time |
| 05:46.05 | ndnihil | mine would answer in that state |
| 05:46.39 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: it only talks of incoming calls in the log |
| 05:47.00 | mirko-paroli | I have to finish the time setting and then I'll look into the whole calling thing |
| 05:47.03 | mirko-paroli | it seems rather difficult right now ;) |
| 05:47.13 | mirko-paroli | to make a call that is ;) |
| 05:47.28 | khiraly11 | give me 5 min. |
| 05:47.39 | mirko-paroli | I'll need more than that ;) |
| 05:47.52 | khiraly11 | ok |
| 05:48.21 | khiraly11 | I quited paroli. restarted e, and relaunched paroli |
| 05:48.31 | khiraly11 | I didnt touch the screen, just the clock showed |
| 05:48.35 | khiraly11 | shown |
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| 05:48.51 | khiraly11 | I calld the phone. and I dont get the calling screen |
| 05:50.40 | khiraly11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.41 | khiraly11 | I just launched paroli, and called directly. |
| 05:51.14 | khiraly11 | btw paroli is inactiv. I cant click on any item (I/O, Msgs, etc) |
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| 05:55.18 | khiraly11 | doh |
| 05:55.38 | mirko-paroli | ya? |
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| 05:57.29 | khiraly11 | there are two different issue |
| 06:00.18 | khiraly11 | If I call paroli when its gray. It stuck at that state. I have the calling screen, I can answer it. But after It stay grayish the whole screen I cant tap on any item. But a new call results a new calling screen and I can answer it |
| 06:03.30 | khiraly11 | The other one (I dont get always a calling screen) is rather random |
| 06:03.43 | khiraly11 | I couldnt reproduce it all the time |
| 06:08.59 | khiraly11 | doh |
| 06:09.00 | khiraly11 | again |
| 06:09.11 | khiraly11 | I quit paroli, I have only e's homescreen |
| 06:09.25 | khiraly11 | I can call the phone, and I get to the call screen |
| 06:09.31 | khiraly11 | I can answer the call and talk |
| 06:09.56 | mirko-paroli | did you get a window that asked if you wanted to keep paroli running? |
| 06:09.57 | khiraly11 | after hanging up, I got back the desktop so no paroli running (it seems) no big clock |
| 06:10.04 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: nope |
| 06:10.30 | mirko-paroli | how did you close p ? |
| 06:10.30 | khiraly11 | i didnt get this window |
| 06:10.31 | khiraly11 | using illume bar and the big X icon |
| 06:10.48 | khiraly11 | ok. I have 10 paroli running |
| 06:11.08 | khiraly11 | http://pastebin.com/m5909f523 |
| 06:11.20 | mirko-paroli | if you close the paroli from the git with the x in illume you get a win asking if oyu want to keep it running |
| 06:11.37 | khiraly11 | ok I kill all of this paroli instances |
| 06:11.38 | mirko-paroli | LOL |
| 06:11.44 | khiraly11 | and restart it |
| 06:12.51 | khiraly11 | ok. When I dont get the calling screen I will always check how many paroli do I have running |
| 06:13.12 | khiraly11 | just be sure there is no concurrent running |
| 06:13.14 | PaulFertser | Too much paroli is no good for a healthy breakfast ;) |
| 06:13.25 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: tell me about it :P |
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| 06:15.06 | Blu3 | well isn't that nifty ^_^ latest update yields module install of -rc3 (no kernel) with kernel of -rc2 and no modules |
| 06:15.34 | Blu3 | meh, i'll flash it in the morning, to annoyed to fix it tonight |
| 06:16.10 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: i'm very glad you found an enthusiastic and cluefull user BTW ;) |
| 06:16.38 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: I like it when you cheer me up := |
| 06:16.40 | mirko-paroli | :) |
| 06:16.55 | azaghal | Hm... I have an 8GB microsd card now. GNU/Debian + Paroli should work nice? |
| 06:18.28 | ndnihil | how difficult is it to add stuff to paroli? like say I wanted a button on the home screen that opened up a list of programs to select from |
| 06:18.54 | mirko-paroli | ndnihil: once you get a hang of it it should be very simple |
| 06:19.04 | mirko-paroli | but why would you want such a list? |
| 06:19.12 | mirko-paroli | don't like the illume screen? |
| 06:19.27 | ndnihil | its not that I dont like it |
| 06:19.34 | ndnihil | just thinking streamlined |
| 06:19.46 | ndnihil | faster |
| 06:20.02 | ndnihil | instead of launching a desktop environment, paroli menu as the main screen with sub-menus for other programs |
| 06:20.11 | ndnihil | you know, make it look/work more like a phone :) |
| 06:20.21 | mirko-paroli | hmm but you'd need a way to close wins etc |
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| 06:20.27 | ndnihil | true |
| 06:20.34 | mirko-paroli | so you would need to launch those external progs in new elm windows |
| 06:20.39 | mirko-paroli | and be able to manage those |
| 06:20.46 | mirko-paroli | so the prob is you'd need a wm basically |
| 06:20.49 | khiraly11 | I killed paroli and (restarted e), but it cant be initialized normally anymore: http://pastebin.com/m5ca9ded8 |
| 06:20.51 | mirko-paroli | sure all doable |
| 06:21.05 | ndnihil | yeah, but there are basic/lightweight wms, and hefty things |
| 06:21.17 | ndnihil | just the bare basics of a wm would suffice |
| 06:21.43 | khiraly11 | is there some timeout from dbus? |
| 06:21.57 | mirko-paroli | ndnihil: the easiest would probably be to parse the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications, display those and launch the progs |
| 06:22.21 | khiraly11 | ndnihil: getting to the e's homescreen is rather quick |
| 06:22.22 | mirko-paroli | however, you also need the kdb ;) |
| 06:22.41 | ndnihil | eh, may as well just run illume in that case |
| 06:22.51 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: let me finish the time thingy here and we can figure out where your errors are coming from |
| 06:23.00 | ndnihil | I'm just thinking about resource management |
| 06:23.09 | ndnihil | this isn't a blazingly fast machine |
| 06:23.13 | khiraly11 | ok. I need to work anyway myself. (just hate to do;) |
| 06:23.14 | ndnihil | the phone that is |
| 06:23.16 | mirko-paroli | ndnihil: I understand where you are coming from, been there, thought about it ;) |
| 06:23.49 | khiraly11 | ndnihil: try out the illume bar and e's homescreen. Works like a charm. You can disable paroli fullscreen and get the illume bar |
| 06:24.06 | ndnihil | khiraly11: I've been running illume on it for quite a while |
| 06:24.19 | khiraly11 | and what is the problem with it? slow? |
| 06:24.27 | ndnihil | slow'ish |
| 06:24.29 | ndnihil | not fast |
| 06:24.52 | khiraly11 | for me works amazingly well. No framedrop or glitch |
| 06:24.56 | ndnihil | just thinking the interface should be as slick as the hardware |
| 06:24.59 | khiraly11 | just two click and I have the homescreen |
| 06:25.38 | PaulFertser | Funny how it seems the first thing everyone wants to do is to disable paroli fullscreen ;) |
| 06:25.51 | ndnihil | actually I wanted to enable it |
| 06:25.55 | ndnihil | and ditch the rest |
| 06:26.06 | ndnihil | that's why I asked about adding buttons/menus to paroli |
| 06:26.23 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: I think if you are using it to do stuff in illume is nice, if you have in your pocket and are out and about, fullscreen might prove usefull |
| 06:26.34 | mirko-paroli | but it is all up to indiv taste |
| 06:26.37 | khiraly11 | PaulFertser: because paroli only provide the basics (tele, msgs, etc), but not a terminal or something more advanced. However the terminal is a basic musthave feature |
| 06:27.23 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: you're being an exception here |
| 06:27.39 | PaulFertser | khiraly11: sure, it was obvious to most power-users from the beginning :) |
| 06:27.52 | khiraly11 | ndnihil: I agree that *launching* and application from e's homescreen is slow as hell. Like 10-15 sec. So integrating the most used feature into paroli makes sense |
| 06:28.07 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: honestly, most people that complained do not fall into the cat of power-users |
| 06:28.18 | mirko-paroli | otherwise they could have fixed it themselves |
| 06:28.20 | mirko-paroli | :P |
| 06:28.48 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: well, that's true. Even further proves my point ;) |
| 06:28.58 | khiraly11 | terminal is for everyone;) |
| 06:29.02 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: that there are no power-users? |
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| 06:29.37 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: I invite you to read bakc on the MLs, my first plan was to integrate paroli into the illume homescreen |
| 06:29.55 | khiraly11 | so basically everyone is learning linux, programming and such, so it took so much time to mature freerunner, because the developpers needed to catch up some programming skill ;-P |
| 06:30.22 | khiraly11 | PaulFertser: ^^ are you suggesting this?;-D |
| 06:30.49 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: I think there's no need to discuss all that stuff again, now everything is going pretty much like it should :) |
| 06:31.21 | mirko-paroli | I just don't like beeing called ignorant or stupid, that's all |
| 06:32.01 | PaulFertser | I can't remember anybody doing it. |
| 06:32.31 | mirko-paroli | I am used to reading between the lines "sure, it was obvious to most power-users from the beginning :)" |
| 06:32.40 | mirko-paroli | and don't like what I am reading ;) |
| 06:32.44 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: but face the true. If you look at the git logs its almost only you who commits to paroli. So asking for help with paroli (integrating into illume) is likely to fail. |
| 06:33.15 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: but paroli will definietly be adopted. As its so responsible and nice. And developers will come;) |
| 06:33.50 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: paroli was in the middle of a political debate and slowly recovers from the witch hunt |
| 06:34.19 | mirko-paroli | anyhow |
| 06:34.26 | mirko-paroli | back to developing |
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| 06:35.14 | mirko-paroli | sry PaulFertser if I react rather allergic, but I am still somewhat displeased with the way certain developments are presented by the most vocal people in the "community" |
| 06:35.30 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: no offence though |
| 06:36.59 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: if paroli gets reliable only for calling its enough for my everyday use. ;) So I wont migrate over to any other distro. |
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| 06:37.28 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: none taken, sorry if i inadvertently caused allergic reaction again, not that it was intended. Probably i've already forgot the reality and got back to my imaginary witches-inhabited world. |
| 06:37.57 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: by the way. SMS sending fails if the sms is too long. Need a character counter in it. |
| 06:38.17 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: the truth lies somewhere between my view and yours so I guess we both hunt witches, just different ones |
| 06:38.27 | khiraly11 | ok enough talk. back to work |
| 06:38.55 | khiraly11 | (for me at least) |
| 06:38.57 | khiraly11 | bbl |
| 06:39.04 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: au revoir |
| 06:39.18 | khiraly11 | a bientot |
| 06:39.22 | khiraly11 | a plus |
| 06:39.23 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 06:40.05 | khiraly11 | je vais arriver dans 2 heures. Je le pense. |
| 06:40.29 | khiraly11 | hmm, my french knowledge how vanished over time. Shame on me |
| 06:47.22 | DocScrutinizer | buenas notches, compadres |
| 06:50.20 | khiraly11 | Guten Abend DocScrutinizer |
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| 07:32.43 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:03.43 | PaulFertser | Hm, looks like elementary is not packaged for Debian yet :-/ |
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| 08:06.23 | DocScrutinizer | pff, that's not been a nice nap :-/ |
| 08:06.27 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: for arm? |
| 08:06.37 | DocScrutinizer | morning |
| 08:06.44 | mirko-paroli | morning DocScrutinizer |
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| 08:17.39 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: i guess for every arch, but arm is of interest for me currently. |
| 08:18.04 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: I have e17 on my laptop |
| 08:18.11 | mirko-paroli | I think that has elementary |
| 08:20.30 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: it has libelm |
| 08:20.33 | mirko-paroli | probably not recent |
| 08:20.36 | mirko-paroli | but it is there |
| 08:20.53 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: deb http://debian.alphagemini.org/ unstable main |
| 08:21.31 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: well, i now see. I wanted to see what is missing in Debian on freerunner to run Paroli. |
| 08:21.43 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: looks like elementary and python bindings for it are not there :-/ |
| 08:24.06 | khiraly11 | btw paroli is the only elementary application currently for freerunner? |
| 08:24.21 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: I think the shr apps use elm as well |
| 08:24.30 | mirko-paroli | but not python |
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| 08:24.41 | ndnihil | uh huh |
| 08:24.49 | ndnihil | shr-settings is python+elementary |
| 08:25.03 | mirko-paroli | ndnihil: ok, sry, I was refering to the phone apps |
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| 08:25.09 | ndnihil | sh |
| 08:25.10 | ndnihil | er |
| 08:25.11 | ndnihil | ah |
| 08:25.14 | mirko-paroli | I know that dos is big in py+elm on the shr side |
| 08:25.33 | methril|work | morning |
| 08:25.36 | ndnihil | was just looking into it myself actually |
| 08:25.50 | ndnihil | going to make a menu'd launcher |
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| 08:34.51 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: isn't it an easy building of the packages? |
| 08:35.10 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: maybe I am just stupid but ... yeah ... ;) |
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| 08:49.42 | khiraly11 | doh |
| 08:50.40 | khiraly11 | I switched back to shr, because paroli bugging a bit. And I successfully missed an important call (under shr!). I accepted a call, but couldnt hear anything |
| 08:51.24 | khiraly11 | bugging a bit = couldnt type the PIN code;) |
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| 10:10.35 | khiraly11 | hmm |
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| 10:17.43 | khiraly11 | is it just me or illume is broken in enlightenmen |
| 10:17.54 | khiraly11 | the autocompletion feature in Default-alt keyboard does not work |
| 10:18.03 | khiraly11 | so its like the terminal one |
| 10:22.41 | ndnihil | hates autocompletion/predictive text |
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| 10:27.02 | khiraly11 | ndnihil: if you figure out how to use it is awesome, otherwise painful as hell |
| 10:27.26 | ndnihil | I know exactly how to use it |
| 10:27.32 | ndnihil | still dislike it |
| 10:28.01 | ndnihil | uses up way more resources than me typing the rest of a word |
| 10:28.21 | ndnihil | and when it gets a word wrong and you continue by accident, you have to go back and fix it |
| 10:28.32 | ndnihil | bleh, I'm fine without it :) |
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| 10:31.40 | khiraly11 | :) |
| 10:31.58 | khiraly11 | I have found a new usecase for it and I am pretty exited about it |
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| 10:34.09 | Zorkman | khiraly11: which usecase? |
| 10:34.25 | khiraly11 | having 30-40 predefined words in the dictionary |
| 10:34.29 | khiraly11 | and nothing else |
| 10:34.49 | khiraly11 | i can type pretty randomly and will always come up with the correct word |
| 10:35.00 | khiraly11 | think about it like a listbox |
| 10:35.13 | khiraly11 | or a list. You can quickly select an item |
| 10:35.26 | khiraly11 | exactly what I want;) |
| 10:36.10 | khiraly11 | what I miss from illume keyboard is when selecting a different dictionary would be nice to have a different dynamic dictionary also |
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| 10:36.49 | khiraly11 | for example you use the keyboard for two languages (english and your native), it will collect words mixed in the dynamic dict |
| 10:37.06 | khiraly11 | and come up in english text with you nativ language suggestions |
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| 10:50.09 | thrashold | http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner --- what is this GTA02A7? Is this what should I get? |
| 10:51.26 | thrashold | Ah, I see. The shop are doing the buzz fix for me? |
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| 10:54.38 | khiraly11 | thrashold: A7 is not out yet (As far as I know). But basically means A7 is factory buzz-fixed |
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| 10:55.21 | khiraly11 | I bought mine one week (got it monday evening) from tuxbrain. It is A6 with buzz fix applied. So it is pretty much identical with A7 |
| 10:55.42 | khiraly11 | So check the shop if the buzz fix is applied or not |
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| 10:56.55 | thrashold | Hm, TuxBrain is only in Spanish, I can't find where to switch the language |
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| 10:57.42 | khiraly11 | if you click on the phone it will redirect you to the shop which is in english too |
| 10:57.55 | khiraly11 | thrashold: Are you in Europe? |
| 10:58.21 | thrashold | yes |
| 10:58.34 | thrashold | OK, thanks, I found it |
| 10:58.55 | khiraly11 | I would recommend tuxbrain in that case. And David is helpful |
| 10:59.37 | khiraly11 | if you have access to an SMD soldering and want to apply the buzzfix option yourself, pulster.de is better option financially |
| 11:00.13 | thrashold | Can I pay with a card on TuxBrain? The bank transfer to pulster cost me too much last time :) |
| 11:00.25 | khiraly11 | But for me buzz-fix worth 40EUR. |
| 11:00.41 | khiraly11 | thrashold: yepp. there is credit card or bank transfer as option |
| 11:00.54 | khiraly11 | bank transfer is better for you. Its free (for you) |
| 11:00.57 | khiraly11 | doh |
| 11:01.05 | khiraly11 | bank transfer -> credit card |
| 11:01.16 | khiraly11 | so credit card is free for you |
| 11:01.52 | khiraly11 | I would recommend also invisible shield and leather case. Leather case is awesome, really. |
| 11:02.02 | thrashold | The bank transfer to Pulster cost me â¬30 or something when I purchased something from there, so I'll thing I'll prefer TuxBrain :) |
| 11:02.27 | khiraly11 | the slim keyboard by the way, I regret that I bought |
| 11:02.53 | thrashold | So you would suggest I get a tiny USB keyboard from somewhere, instead? |
| 11:03.04 | thrashold | Cause the BT one looks nice |
| 11:03.59 | khiraly11 | on photo yes |
| 11:04.31 | khiraly11 | but in reality is not metal, but plastic covered. And its scratchy. |
| 11:04.53 | khiraly11 | you need a special battery for it. Like for watches. Round lithium-ion battery |
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| 11:05.15 | khiraly11 | And its really hard to type on it. It is like the motorola razer phone, if you know |
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| 11:05.56 | khiraly11 | I would prefer normal key buttons |
| 11:06.39 | PaulFertser | wished he would have prepared not only leather but an ethical case too. |
| 11:06.57 | thrashold | And as far as I can see, it is good for typing in english, but if I want to use a cyrillic layout for it, I would have hard time getting used to it |
| 11:07.05 | PaulFertser | he == David |
| 11:07.16 | thrashold | ethical? |
| 11:07.25 | PaulFertser | thrashold: why anyone would want to use a cyrillic layout? |
| 11:07.54 | PaulFertser | thrashold: yeah, ethical in the sense that obtaining material wouldn't involve someone's death. |
| 11:08.45 | thrashold | I cyrillic in most of my conversations. SMS and IM |
| 11:08.46 | PaulFertser | thrashold: (cyrillic layout) teach your friends english instead ;) |
| 11:09.03 | khiraly11 | thrashold: have you tried to type on a motorola razr phone? (you know the shell phone which was really hyped two years ago) |
| 11:09.07 | thrashold | I use* |
| 11:09.13 | thrashold | khiraly11: Nope |
| 11:09.22 | PaulFertser | thrashold: Is it ok for you that cyrillic letters consume twice as much sms space as latin? |
| 11:09.31 | khiraly11 | thrashold: try it. The same experience |
| 11:10.22 | khiraly11 | in fact the keyboard looks like metal. It is metal, just plastic covered. And the plastic really scratchy |
| 11:10.34 | thrashold | PaulFertser: Well, in theory, the leather case came from a cow that was already eaten by someone. I'm not comfortable with the fact that this is a piece of an animal, but I find it more ethical that it got used for something instead of thrown out. |
| 11:10.41 | khiraly11 | I got mine with many scratches on it. And I opened the box first |
| 11:11.12 | khiraly11 | PaulFertser: yepp. a plastic case is bad for environment;))) |
| 11:11.58 | thrashold | PaulFertser: I know, I don't have much trouble with paying twice, but I thought I read in the other channel that you can't send long SMS messages with the current software (FSO), so it will be a bit harder for me. :) |
| 11:12.06 | PaulFertser | thrashold: still i prefer to not use anything leather unless that's the thing i bought long time ago when i didn't care as much or all the alternatives are too impractical. |
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| 11:12.53 | khiraly11 | PaulFertser: I prefer leather over leatherett |
| 11:12.54 | khiraly11 | e |
| 11:12.59 | khiraly11 | so plastic leather |
| 11:13.12 | mjr | I'll just note that buying the leather does make fucking with the animals more profitable, and thus supports it |
| 11:13.28 | PaulFertser | thrashold: Probably auto-splitting long sms's is not implemented in shr-messages yet, true. But it's supported by FSO already iirc. |
| 11:13.43 | PaulFertser | mjr: exactly my thoughts |
| 11:14.00 | khiraly11 | PaulFertser: paroli has trouble with it. Tried yesterday |
| 11:14.11 | mjr | (and yes I'm vegan aside from medication) |
| 11:15.09 | PaulFertser | mjr: do you use any special computations/vitamins or something to ensure your diet is healthy? |
| 11:19.40 | thrashold | mjr: I'm not good at economics, but wouldn't that just decrease the price of meat a bit, leading to more people fed, sorta? Unless there is more demand for skin than for meat, which would suck (as it does with crocodiles, tigers, wolves, etc.) |
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| 11:23.39 | PaulFertser | thrashold: we don't want people to be fed by meat. |
| 11:24.29 | mjr | PaulFertser, well, I'm also a kind of nutritional optimizer nut so I use plenty of nutritional additives :] |
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| 11:25.53 | PaulFertser | mjr: well, good for you :) (i considered veganism but it seemed to complicated and very impractical so i resorted to vegeterianism) |
| 11:26.12 | mjr | my unprofessional opinion is that were I a pure health optimizer, I wouldn't add at least significat amounts of other animal products than fish into my diet, but I rather take my algae-derived EPA/DHA |
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| 11:28.56 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/07/ipo_approve_software_patent/ <-- hmm |
| 11:29.32 | mjr | (also I'm high risk for metabolic syndrome/diabetes, that accounts for some of my additives like benfotiamine and carnosine |
| 11:29.51 | thrashold | PaulFertser: Well, for me "human fed" is a bit higher in priority than "by what". |
| 11:30.20 | mjr | thrashold, by human babies? :] |
| 11:30.48 | mjr | but yes, humans fed are a high priority, and we can't in a sustainable way feed the world with at least the western usual amounts of meat, ethical issues aside even |
| 11:30.49 | thrashold | mjr: Weeelll... I would guess not that much |
| 11:31.18 | mjr | but this is getting long for off-topic |
| 11:34.10 | nullix | a long feed ... |
| 11:34.39 | PaulFertser | I want to eat already |
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| 11:34.59 | thrashold | Well, to get back on-topic, you could claim that creating a phone with free software would help increase the global economic efficiency thus leading to less starvation, but I think it might be juust a bit exaggerated at the moment. :D |
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| 11:35.44 | mjr | yes well maybe slightly |
| 11:36.22 | PaulFertser | I wish every food shop here had tofu. |
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| 11:39.15 | khiraly11 | the positive side of this veganism, that they never go to mcdonalds |
| 11:39.33 | khiraly11 | because there even the salad contains some animal traces;) |
| 11:39.52 | PaulFertser | Sometimes they do go there, if it has a free access to toilets :) |
| 11:39.56 | thrashold | khiraly11: I'm neither a vegan or vegetarian, but I also never go to McDonalds. |
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| 11:40.32 | thrashold | Make that an almost |
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| 11:40.45 | khiraly11 | vegan = vegetarian - milk |
| 11:40.59 | khiraly11 | if I read it correctly. Plus some grain of ideology |
| 11:41.33 | nullix | some tried to be nothingarian but they died after some weeks. |
| 11:42.12 | thrashold | nullix: I tried that too, but I gave up in two days. :D |
| 11:42.42 | nullix | i think nottomuchbutalittlebitofeverythingarian might just be good. |
| 11:43.15 | PaulFertser | nullix: don't you have a bad feeling when you eat meat? |
| 11:43.52 | nullix | does meat has a bad feeling to be eaten by me either ? |
| 11:44.45 | mjr | khiraly11, depends on the strictness of the vocabulary used. "Vegetarian" strictly means, dietetically, the same as vegan, but in practice it often is used as a synonym for ovo-lacto-vegetarian, which includes eggs and dairy. Veganism doesn't include eggs and dairy, of course, but it doesn't include other animal byproducts either, going further than a simple dietetic choice. Of course, in practice this is merely an aspiration, as it is inevitable in ... |
| 11:44.52 | mjr | ... todays society to run across animal products, but veganism aspires to minimize that in diet as well as otherwise. |
| 11:44.52 | Zorkman | or does meat have bad feelings when it eats other meat? |
| 11:45.43 | Zorkman | [joke] best sollution when going to a restaurant with a vegetarian: if you don't order and eat meat, i'll order three meals with meat in them [/joke] a true vegetarian would then order meat and eat it |
| 11:46.26 | mjr | yes, I know of that kind of people |
| 11:46.36 | mjr | basically hostage tactics, I wouldn't associate with them |
| 11:46.49 | mjr | (of course, if they actually did it and not merely joked) |
| 11:47.11 | thrashold | Zorkman: No, he shouldn't because that would give the other guy an incentive to repeat this. |
| 11:47.11 | PaulFertser | Joking about this is already not very pleasant to say the least. |
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| 11:47.44 | mjr | PaulFertser, certainly in poor taste, but then, I'm not in a position to judge people harshly for poor taste in humor |
| 11:48.26 | mjr | case in point: http://mjr.iki.fi/humor/niggers |
| 11:48.35 | mjr | (also some other stuff there, some finnish though) |
| 11:51.04 | XorA | Zorkman: I am vegitarian as everything I eat only eats vegetables. I just use a middle man :-) |
| 11:53.16 | mjr | now that's not _offensively_ bad humor, it's just generally poor ;] |
| 11:53.17 | nullix | PaulFertser: i used to joke about everything, that does not mean that i don't understand and respect things, i appologize |
| 11:53.36 | PaulFertser | nullix: np, i'm not easily offended |
| 11:54.07 | mjr | oh yeah, this is also quite offensive: http://mjr.iki.fi/humor/poof.en.html |
| 11:54.08 | PaulFertser | I just think "Ewww, i didn't like that joke" |
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| 11:55.56 | nullix | one french humorist used to say "you can joke about about everyhting but not with everybody", it is true that we all have sensible subjects. |
| 11:56.47 | mjr | well |
| 11:56.56 | badcloud | hey all you jokesters |
| 11:56.57 | mjr | for me, it depends on who's doing the joking also |
| 11:57.12 | nullix | of course it does. |
| 11:58.02 | mjr | for instance, if a sworn meat-eater jokes about vegetarians, that's often _meant_ in an offensive manner and not just kidding around. Like if a concentration camp guard told jew jokes ;] |
| 11:59.26 | nullix | now i feel bad. |
| 11:59.39 | PaulFertser | Hahaha |
| 11:59.43 | badcloud | now I'm curious |
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| 11:59.53 | badcloud | who told what joke around whom? |
| 12:00.25 | XorA | someone said OM made a working phone :-) |
| 12:00.26 | ndnihil | vegetarians don't have enough energy to be offended |
| 12:00.46 | badcloud | ha, XorA |
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| 12:00.55 | badcloud | good one |
| 12:01.40 | badcloud | but I suppose most of us use it as a phone either to develop for it or as sort of a religious thing (upholding open source) |
| 12:02.00 | nullix | it is a religious phone. |
| 12:02.07 | ndnihil | it's my daily work phone |
| 12:02.10 | badcloud | it really is |
| 12:02.12 | ndnihil | I replaced a blackberry with it |
| 12:02.21 | nullix | you need to believe in it, then it works. |
| 12:02.22 | badcloud | mine too, ndnihil |
| 12:02.25 | nullix | else it don't. |
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| 12:03.16 | badcloud | well, this is my other cell: http://www.gsmarena.com/siemens_ax72-1327.php |
| 12:03.26 | badcloud | so I'll settle for ANYthing |
| 12:04.44 | ndnihil | my other one is a motorola w755 |
| 12:04.58 | ndnihil | I got sick of modding via p2k |
| 12:05.03 | ndnihil | and bought the fr |
| 12:05.22 | badcloud | doesn't look half bad at first glance |
| 12:06.32 | XorA | has a nice HTC Kaiser and is going to upgrade to the Diamond 2 |
| 12:07.59 | khiraly11 | who has the oldest phone contest or what? |
| 12:08.44 | badcloud | XorA, what is the max sd capacity on the Dia 2? |
| 12:08.58 | badcloud | why, do you think you'd win, khiraly11? |
| 12:08.59 | ndnihil | heh, if we were having that contest |
| 12:09.04 | XorA | badcloud: 32G |
| 12:09.07 | khiraly11 | yepp |
| 12:09.18 | badcloud | noice, XorA |
| 12:09.26 | khiraly11 | http://www.mobilkor.hu/mobilkor_tesztek/kepek/nokia3510ia.jpg |
| 12:09.29 | ndnihil | I've got an old moto analog in-car hardwire trunkmount unit |
| 12:09.31 | khiraly11 | ^^ nokia 3510i |
| 12:09.34 | ndnihil | in the basement |
| 12:09.49 | XorA | although I expect an SDXC upgrade to give us 4T SD capability |
| 12:10.02 | khiraly11 | thats mine. I broke the power button, so I soldered two wire on it. So I hardware-modded |
| 12:10.09 | ndnihil | as well as a couple moto bricks and original flips |
| 12:10.14 | badcloud | are you serious, XorA? |
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| 12:10.22 | XorA | badcloud: yes, there is a new standard |
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| 12:10.38 | mjr | oh yeah, as we now have the SDXC spec, is it indeed compatible enough that it can be implemented on current hw? |
| 12:10.59 | XorA | mjr: looks like it |
| 12:10.59 | badcloud | wow, that's stellar |
| 12:11.04 | mjr | there was speculation earlier that since the SDHC cap is essentially arbitrary, it might be the case |
| 12:11.38 | mjr | IIRC SDXC has also some faster clockings and all that but presumably the cards work in lower modes as well then? |
| 12:11.42 | badcloud | has anyone tried uSD above 16gb on the fr? |
| 12:12.02 | mjr | are there >16Gs? |
| 12:12.08 | badcloud | not sure |
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| 12:12.25 | mjr | anyway, SDHC spec goes to 32G so certainly should with current software too |
| 12:13.13 | khiraly11 | there is a 8GB limit, no? |
| 12:13.31 | badcloud | well, I can't seem to find a 32 |
| 12:13.34 | mjr | khiraly11, no |
| 12:13.37 | badcloud | but I'm using a 16 right now |
| 12:13.41 | mjr | from wikipedia: "The Secure Digital Extended Capacity (SDXC) format was unveiled at CES 2009. The maximum capacity defined for SDXC cards is 2 TB (2048 GB). SDHC cards also have a maximum capacity of 2 TB based on the card data structures, but this is arbitrarily limited to 32 GB by the SD 2.0 document." |
| 12:14.03 | mjr | (that is accurate to my knowledge as well) |
| 12:14.18 | badcloud | so 2T, not 4 |
| 12:14.38 | mjr | I think 2T is sufficient for a while |
| 12:14.47 | nullix | 10 years... |
| 12:14.47 | badcloud | beyond, anyway |
| 12:14.56 | mjr | certainly a bigger while than SDHC... |
| 12:15.00 | XorA | ah well I was a factor of 2 out, just fit another slot :-) |
| 12:15.06 | mjr | nullix, yeah, of course not _forever_ |
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| 12:15.21 | khiraly11 | I have about 1T here, and Im always fighting for 1GB space |
| 12:15.38 | badcloud | I mean, who uses that type of space if not for video editing? |
| 12:17.20 | nullix | to have your own wikipedia offline |
| 12:17.26 | badcloud | right |
| 12:17.32 | mjr | khiraly11, yes yes, I also have 4 terabytes at my home server, but it's a bit different from SD cards |
| 12:18.09 | mjr | also, I'll wager you want a new, faster card spec anyway even before you hit the 2T so you can actually make proper use of the space... |
| 12:18.10 | khiraly11 | mjr: not much. Im using my space for storage. I hardly access it. So I would prefer to switch 1TB pendrive, if I could |
| 12:18.47 | mjr | well, okay |
| 12:21.00 | XorA | just imagine sneezing and losing a 2T microSD :-D |
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| 12:22.42 | khiraly11 | ;) |
| 12:22.51 | khiraly11 | bbl |
| 12:23.29 | nullix | it happens with my 500Gb hard drive, i am still crying... |
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| 12:45.03 | DocScrutinizer | pff, down to 169 unread on [community] |
| 12:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | bye |
| 12:45.26 | jc2 | DocScrutinizer: ciao ciao. |
| 12:45.46 | Weiss | are any of the inhabitants of forum.telefoninux.org around here? |
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| 12:46.06 | jan___ | hello |
| 12:46.32 | jan___ | I get this error |
| 12:46.43 | jan___ | during booting: |
| 12:47.22 | jan___ | Argh. No free space left for GC.... |
| 12:47.35 | jan___ | What is wrong? |
| 12:47.49 | jan___ | I got this after I flashed back from adroid to SHR |
| 12:48.10 | jan___ | to be able to install android I changed the partitioning of the sdcard |
| 12:48.16 | jan___ | can this be related? |
| 12:48.59 | PaulFertser | You're doomed! Android got your soul already. |
| 12:49.08 | PaulFertser | No way back. Go learn Java. |
| 12:49.11 | PaulFertser | ;) |
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| 12:52.29 | jan___ | Thanks for these nice words PaulFertser |
| 12:52.40 | DocScrutinizer | should suffice |
| 12:52.51 | DocScrutinizer | if not I'll give him another call |
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| 12:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | oops |
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| 12:57.42 | PaulFertser | jan___: are you unable to spot irony? If yes, i'm sorry, i didn't mean to offend you or to make fun of you or whatever. |
| 12:59.57 | jan___ | Paul, I got the irony, it is appreciated :-) |
| 13:01.00 | PaulFertser | jan___: have you flashed SHR to NAND? |
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| 13:01.21 | jan___ | I'm not sure. I used neotool. |
| 13:02.15 | jan___ | I think I know no how to work around it. |
| 13:02.15 | PaulFertser | jan___: for somebody to help you you need to be more precise, unfortunetely |
| 13:02.53 | jan___ | when I start the freerunner into the boot menu (by holding the aux button) |
| 13:03.07 | jan___ | and then select boot. shr is started... |
| 13:03.36 | jan___ | But when I just start the freerunner I get the error message. |
| 13:03.49 | jan___ | Maybe it is trying to boot from the sdcard then. |
| 13:04.52 | PaulFertser | jan___: from your description i'm even unable to get if you're using NOR or NAND bootloader in the first case :( |
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| 13:08.05 | jan___ | I'm going to try to find out, let me check the wiki... |
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| 13:28.09 | PaulFertser | jan___: also of interest is which bootloader you have installed in NAND. |
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| 13:36.49 | badcloud | can anyone help me find a prebuilt debian image for fr? |
| 13:37.22 | badcloud | http://rabenfrost.net/debian/debian-armel-xfce.tar.bz2 has been non-existent for quite some time |
| 13:38.57 | badcloud | fine, I'll try bootstrap |
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| 13:39.05 | badcloud | *debootstrap |
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| 13:42.52 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8b5e2e2cb386 10/libfsoframework/ (4 files in 2 dirs): specify dbus errors where necessary |
| 13:42.52 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * ra7f04e7153d7 10/libfsoframework/tests/.gitignore: fsoframework: gitignore++ |
| 13:42.52 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rafb8d9a9a9c1 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel26_leds: throw proper dbus errors |
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| 13:42.54 | jan___ | PaulFertser: I read through the wiki: I have Qi to boot. It starts booting from the sdcard |
| 13:43.13 | jan___ | so removing the bootable partition that tries to install android |
| 13:43.46 | jan___ | will probably save the issue. When I boot from NOR, I'm able boot the SHR installation. |
| 13:43.54 | PaulFertser | jan___: yep. And it decides about bootability of partition by presence of /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin file. |
| 13:44.04 | badcloud | ok, someone's gotta explain this one to me |
| 13:44.04 | badcloud | just flashed 14.April shr testing |
| 13:44.04 | badcloud | +kernel |
| 13:44.04 | badcloud | tar gives me 'invalid option --z' |
| 13:44.05 | badcloud | I mean, cmmmonnnnn... |
| 13:44.23 | PaulFertser | jan___: Well, just remove the kernel from SD and Qi will boot from NAND then. |
| 13:44.43 | PaulFertser | badcloud: stupid busybox miscompilation. |
| 13:44.50 | badcloud | nutsack |
| 13:45.09 | jan___ | PaulFertser: I'll do that. Thanks! |
| 13:45.29 | badcloud | how would you go about putting debian on uSD then? |
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| 13:45.46 | PaulFertser | badcloud: gzip |
| 13:45.57 | PaulFertser | badcloud: the old-school way, pipe gzip output to tar. |
| 13:46.06 | badcloud | I figured |
| 13:46.22 | badcloud | thanks |
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| 13:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | bomb busybox |
| 13:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | nuke this crap! |
| 13:47.42 | alphaone | ACK |
| 13:48.08 | bernt | badcloud: or take a look at the install script from http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh |
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| 13:49.31 | badcloud | Ill have a look, thanks bernt |
| 13:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | I bet if I got busybox PLUS all the /bin/* I need to fix the army of bugs in there, it's higher diskusage than a plain install without any busybox at all |
| 13:50.15 | badcloud | bernt, I think I ran into the same problem with that script |
| 13:52.02 | bernt | badcloud, which problem? I have used this functions several times. |
| 13:52.38 | badcloud | I'll try it again, but it usually quits when it gets to the gzip portion of tar 'invalid option --z' |
| 13:54.52 | bernt | badcloud, search in the script for tar and you will see some interesting things ;-) |
| 13:56.07 | badcloud | looks mildly promising |
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| 13:56.11 | badcloud | I'll give it a whirl |
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| 13:56.49 | bernt | look at action_testing (): there it fetches a working tar. |
| 13:57.59 | badcloud | 'chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: No such file or directory' |
| 13:58.26 | badcloud | using 'QI=true QI_VERBOSE_BOOT=true INSR_DIR=/media/card ./install.sh time mount kernel debian apt fso configuration unmount' |
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| 14:00.01 | badcloud | http://pastebin.com/m7160c9c9 |
| 14:00.03 | bernt | try one step after one, not all at the same time. |
| 14:00.56 | badcloud | same with only 'kernel' |
| 14:01.56 | badcloud | 'debian' only gives me invalid option -- z |
| 14:02.13 | bernt | I would use only one partition. and allways check that the partitions are not mounted before doing fdisk. |
| 14:02.46 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rc25b50f5edea 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/action.py: oeventsd: action.py: restore python2.5-compatibility, thanks Paul Fertser for spotting |
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| 14:03.21 | badcloud | so I should delete the first partition? |
| 14:03.42 | bernt | yes, and kernel is the last thing to do... |
| 14:04.56 | bernt | you can make two partitions for / and home or so, but the first should be ext3 and big enough. |
| 14:08.11 | badcloud | argg, QI=true QI_VERBOSE_BOOT=true ./install.sh mount debian unmount |
| 14:08.11 | badcloud | chroot: cannot execute apt-cache: No such file or directory |
| 14:08.11 | badcloud | Running stage mount |
| 14:08.11 | badcloud | Mounting the newly created system |
| 14:08.11 | badcloud | mount: /dev/mmcblk0p1 is not a valid block device |
| 14:08.50 | badcloud | the only partition I have now is /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 14:09.06 | badcloud | so why is it trying to access a non-existent partition? |
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| 14:14.23 | bernt | dont know, it seems it want to mount partition one ... |
| 14:15.07 | bernt | perhaps you have to reboot after fdisk ... |
| 14:15.23 | badcloud | I did |
| 14:15.46 | badcloud | something is rotten in the state of Denmark |
| 14:15.56 | bernt | then try to delete all partitions and make them new. |
| 14:16.01 | PaulFertser | bernt: in normal conditions (when you fdisk a disk without any mounted partitions) the kernel rereads partition table after fdisk saves modifications. |
| 14:16.47 | badcloud | it gave me the 'kernel still uses old table' |
| 14:16.52 | badcloud | so I rebooted |
| 14:16.58 | badcloud | no apparent change |
| 14:17.14 | bernt | PaulFertser: but sometimes there are also warnings and so on ... |
| 14:17.22 | badcloud | '/dev/mmcblk0p1 is still there |
| 14:17.49 | bernt | how many partitions give fdisk -l |
| 14:19.34 | badcloud | just one |
| 14:19.39 | badcloud | '/dev/mmcblk0p2 |
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| 14:20.23 | bernt | and dont forget to first umount /media/card or so. Most distributions allways mount the sdcard if they can. |
| 14:20.44 | badcloud | did thta |
| 14:20.45 | badcloud | t |
| 14:20.47 | badcloud | *that |
| 14:20.56 | bernt | is /dev/mmcblk0p2 mounted to something? |
| 14:21.01 | badcloud | nope |
| 14:21.25 | badcloud | 'mount' is trying to access mmcblk0p1 within the install script |
| 14:21.31 | badcloud | for some reason |
| 14:21.33 | bernt | then you can try the fdisk once again: remove all, create a new one. |
| 14:22.02 | badcloud | I'll just skip the mount switch |
| 14:22.25 | bernt | and this mounting from the install script can also be done by hand ;-) the you have the full control ... |
| 14:22.54 | badcloud | ... and I get the invalid -z option again |
| 14:22.55 | badcloud | %&*( |
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| 14:24.23 | badcloud | I give up |
| 14:25.15 | bernt | to get the right tar you must first `install.sh testing` |
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| 14:30.40 | badcloud | WORKING |
| 14:30.46 | badcloud | thanks, bernt |
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| 14:35.47 | bernt | badcloud: there you see: don't give up, try it until it works. sometime you need a small rest to see the solution ... |
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| 14:37.57 | badcloud | right |
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| 14:38.09 | badcloud | never would have linked 'testing' with tar though |
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| 14:40.09 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, after the latest upgrade of SHR-unstable, all my E libs are broken. |
| 14:40.31 | Digital_Pioneer | They exist, but the filenames are screwed up and at least one program can't find them. |
| 14:41.03 | Digital_Pioneer | They all look like libedje-ver-pre-svn-01.so.0 instead of libedje.so.0 |
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| 14:43.41 | bernt | Digital_Pioneer: you can try, to do a `ln -s libedje-ver-pre-svn-01.so.0 libedje.so.0` and so on ... |
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| 14:53.37 | Digital_Pioneer | bernt: I tried that... There seem to be more than I care to do without some kind of automation.... |
| 14:53.56 | Digital_Pioneer | 44 of them, I guess. |
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| 14:54.09 | Digital_Pioneer | And that's rather dirty. I would prefer to FIX the problem.... |
| 14:54.31 | Digital_Pioneer | 22 I guess, half of them are symlinks themselves. |
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| 15:16.59 | Digital_Pioneer | Anyone know why hitting delete on the FR's shell causes it to type a ~ instead of removing the next character? It's extremely annoying. |
| 15:19.54 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, fixed my libs, with a little symlink magic. Had to use perl, bash just doesn't have powerful enough regexes... :P |
| 15:22.23 | Digital_Pioneer | And the cursed power menu is broken.... When I hit the power button, it just draws about a one pixel wide line down the middle of the screen that does me no good whatsoever. |
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| 15:29.06 | SpeedEvil | you're unaware of the power of ##? |
| 15:31.16 | Digital_Pioneer | SpeedEvil: I assume so. |
| 15:31.53 | Digital_Pioneer | SpeedEvil: Looks like a comment. |
| 15:32.24 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:32.56 | Digital_Pioneer | Indeed, I have no idea what that does. |
| 15:33.04 | SpeedEvil | x=foobar |
| 15:33.30 | SpeedEvil | echo ${bar##x} |
| 15:33.32 | SpeedEvil | foo |
| 15:33.36 | mwester | re |
| 15:33.37 | SpeedEvil | or something like that |
| 15:34.16 | Digital_Pioneer | So it cuts what's before the ## out of the variable after the ##? |
| 15:34.18 | SpeedEvil | It's not quite regex, but close |
| 15:35.26 | SpeedEvil | probably not - on rereading the manpage - I think I've gotten the args the wrong way round |
| 15:36.23 | SpeedEvil | variants to do cut matching string of max/minimum length from beginning/end of a pattern, and to replace |
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| 15:36.54 | SpeedEvil | On my other box, forex, I've got a path set that displays only the last 3 path elements. |
| 15:39.53 | Digital_Pioneer | Ehh, I'll figure BASH out someday... :P |
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| 15:47.42 | Blu3 | hmm, where is the -rc3 kernel? |
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| 17:27.25 | Blu3 | where is the shr documentation re profiles for audio volume, ringtones, etc so i can figure out why i constantly have to restore headset volume and why i don't get ringtones for incoming calls and messages? |
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| 17:27.55 | dos1 | Blu3: are you editing state files? |
| 17:28.01 | dos1 | to edit volume? |
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| 17:28.38 | Blu3 | nope, i run alsactl -f /path/to/file to restore handset volume so i can talk to someone on the fone |
| 17:29.00 | Blu3 | setting the profile in shr settings doesn't fix it |
| 17:29.30 | Blu3 | i.e. alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state restore |
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| 17:30.58 | dos1 | Blu3: profile with shr-settings isn't related with volumes |
| 17:31.08 | dos1 | Blu3: you should look at frameworkd logs |
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| 17:31.40 | Blu3 | shr-settings controls whether ring tones happen, right? |
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| 17:32.04 | dos1 | Blu3: shr-settings doesn't control anything |
| 17:32.24 | Blu3 | what's the point of having it on the fone then? |
| 17:32.33 | dos1 | Blu3: shr-settings is only frontend to FSO (or ophonekitd in Display module) dbus calls |
| 17:32.51 | Blu3 | right |
| 17:32.53 | dos1 | Blu3: cause you need to have it, when you want to set profile? :P |
| 17:33.12 | Blu3 | and setting the profile says whether to do vibrate, silent, or ring |
| 17:33.13 | dos1 | profiles in shr-settings are only to change ringtone, turn on/off vibrating etc. |
| 17:33.14 | Blu3 | so.... |
| 17:33.27 | dos1 | Blu3: so? i don't get the point |
| 17:33.36 | dos1 | if it says "vibrate", it has to be related with state files? |
| 17:33.49 | Blu3 | setting the ringtone for messages doesn't work, setting ring vs. vibrate doesn't work |
| 17:34.05 | dos1 | Blu3: it work... it's something strange on your installation |
| 17:34.12 | dos1 | s/work/works/ |
| 17:34.28 | Blu3 | yes well, maybe that's why i asked for the documentation regarding this stuff so i can figure it out :P |
| 17:34.39 | dos1 | Blu3: do you have fresh image? |
| 17:35.06 | Blu3 | oh boy. i do not want to go through the hassle of "wipe and reinstall" to fix things. that's so microsoft |
| 17:35.29 | dos1 | Blu3: as I. i'm only asking to know, if fresh images have this problem ;p |
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| 17:36.06 | dos1 | Blu3: but in fact we don't support big updates in SHR now... |
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| 17:36.09 | Blu3 | i've no idea. it happened after an upgrade about errrr, about three to four weeks back i think |
| 17:36.11 | khiraly11 | re |
| 17:36.17 | khiraly11 | raster are here? |
| 17:36.22 | dos1 | you have to fix it on your own, if something went wrong |
| 17:36.37 | Blu3 | that's fine. i just need to find the documentation |
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| 17:36.55 | dos1 | but i still don't know what documentation you mean... |
| 17:36.58 | Blu3 | what files are involved and what processes set this |
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| 17:37.13 | dos1 | cat /var/log/frameworkd.log |
| 17:37.19 | dos1 | it should be your documentation ;) |
| 17:37.24 | Blu3 | ugg |
| 17:37.30 | Blu3 | not exactly |
| 17:38.19 | Blu3 | i have framework logging set all the way to debug |
| 17:38.27 | Blu3 | it's vague |
| 17:38.46 | dos1 | odeviced should set proper statefile requested by oeventsd |
| 17:39.06 | Blu3 | rules files say things like RingTone() have either 'start' or 'stop' but neither is actually used |
| 17:39.35 | dos1 | Blu3: comments in rules file are outdated |
| 17:39.47 | Blu3 | fixing the comments would help :P |
| 17:40.00 | Blu3 | bad documentation doesn't help much :P |
| 17:40.20 | dos1 | Blu3: it should be done by some fso guy... i'm only hacking opimd, other parts of frameworkd are mysterious for me ;) |
| 17:40.46 | khiraly11 | somebody know how can I force illume keyboard to reload the dictionary? |
| 17:40.57 | Blu3 | they're mysterious for everyone not intimately familiar with all the changes under the hood |
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| 17:41.29 | mirko-paroli | Blu3: did you read the fso specs? |
| 17:43.04 | Blu3 | and where are the fso specs? |
| 17:43.04 | mirko-paroli | Blu3: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/index.html;hb=HEAD |
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| 17:43.21 | Blu3 | ok, but where is the initial configuration for "default" stored on a shr image? |
| 17:43.35 | Blu3 | where does it come from before it gets pushed into dbus? |
| 17:43.49 | dos1 | /etc/frameworkd.conf and /etc/freesmartphone/... |
| 17:45.12 | Blu3 | neither of those indicate which ringtone is used for calls and messages |
| 17:45.54 | dos1 | Blu3: you are not searching properly |
| 17:45.57 | mirko-paroli | Blu3: use mdbus -s to query the opreferencesd |
| 17:46.01 | dos1 | in /etc/freesmartphone are profiles defined |
| 17:46.19 | Blu3 | yes, they're defined. but where is the "default" selection made? |
| 17:46.24 | dos1 | in opreferencesd folder i think |
| 17:46.26 | dos1 | in the same folder |
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| 17:51.02 | Blu3 | 2009.05.07 12:42:30 oeventsd ERROR can't parse rule {'while': 'CallStatus()', 'filters': ['Or(HasAttr(status, "outgoing"), HasAttr(status, "active"))', 'Not(BTHeadsetIsConnected())'], 'actions': ['SetScenario(gsmhandset)']} : Function BTHeadsetIsConnected not registered |
| 17:51.48 | dos1 | Blu3: which version of frameworkd you have? |
| 17:52.04 | dos1 | looks strange |
| 17:52.21 | Blu3 | frameworkd - 0.8.5.1+gitrc9e5d80540d505fe64d2acae7bbd0645625446f2-r0 - |
| 17:52.38 | dos1 | looks old |
| 17:53.01 | dos1 | opkg list | grep frameworkd |
| 17:53.16 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: how can we debug this calling bug? |
| 17:53.29 | mirko-paroli | I am about to flash the fresh unstable |
| 17:53.31 | mirko-paroli | got 2 sims |
| 17:53.32 | mirko-paroli | 3 phones |
| 17:53.38 | mirko-paroli | the bug will die tonight |
| 17:54.32 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: I can help you with testing. I have my girlfriend's phone what I can call for free |
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| 17:54.43 | mirko-paroli | hehe k |
| 17:54.54 | mirko-paroli | you could flash the latest unstable as well |
| 17:55.03 | mirko-paroli | then we have the same to work with |
| 17:55.08 | Blu3 | 0.8.5.1+gitr516f48762ab7afa4e4702a0ba01bc0a004ae4c60-r1 0.8.5.1+gitr072434b0ac588e5ed899809cc908883627a04e8d-r2 0.8.5.1+gitr1352+072434b0ac588e5ed899809cc908883627a04e8d-r1 0.8.5.1+gitrc9e5d80540d505fe64d2acae7bbd0645625446f2-r0 |
| 17:55.40 | dos1 | Blu3: which of them are just frameworkd, without -config? |
| 17:55.52 | Blu3 | those are all just frameworkd |
| 17:56.02 | dos1 | very strange |
| 17:56.15 | dos1 | Blu3: you played with repos, did you? |
| 17:56.38 | dos1 | s/did/didn't/ |
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| 17:56.42 | dos1 | or something like that |
| 17:56.43 | dos1 | ;p |
| 17:56.49 | Blu3 | played with is a loose term since you must edit and fix them after purchasing the phone |
| 17:57.08 | dos1 | hmm? |
| 17:57.29 | Blu3 | and i would never accuse OM related documentation of being straightforward, up to date, and accurate |
| 17:57.30 | dos1 | what repos are you using? |
| 17:57.40 | Blu3 | in other words, yes, i've modified my repo file |
| 17:57.47 | dos1 | if you are using SHR, you don't have to play with repos at all |
| 17:58.07 | dos1 | only when you are using unstable, and we moves unstable to testing, and you want to keep your version ;p |
| 17:58.56 | Blu3 | in order to install half a functioning phone with you have to use different repos. |
| 17:58.59 | dos1 | Blu3: probably you have some incompatible feed, which has old frameworkd version, and broken version number |
| 17:59.13 | dos1 | Blu3: i'm using SHR as my daily phone, and i'm using only SHR distro |
| 17:59.18 | Blu3 | src/gz om-unstable-all http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t |
| 17:59.18 | dos1 | s/distro/feed/ |
| 17:59.24 | dos1 | uhhhh |
| 17:59.32 | dos1 | om feeds are NOT compatible with SHR |
| 17:59.43 | Blu3 | what is the repo you are using? |
| 17:59.50 | dos1 | SHR unstable |
| 18:00.10 | Sharwin_F | dos1, are you far from adding wifi manager to shr-settings? :) |
| 18:00.20 | Blu3 | omg |
| 18:00.20 | dos1 | and my repo, which i'm using to test my packages |
| 18:00.23 | Blu3 | lskdf |
| 18:00.29 | Blu3 | maybe..... unstable-feed.conf:src/gz experimental-all http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk/armv4t |
| 18:00.29 | Blu3 | ? |
| 18:00.40 | dos1 | Blu3: yep |
| 18:01.17 | Blu3 | since i have it in my repo list, and since you say it has the most current framework available, then opkg should choose that package version as the most current |
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| 18:01.30 | dos1 | Sharwin_F: it should be added soon ;) |
| 18:01.41 | dos1 | Blu3: no, if you have repo with broken version number :P |
| 18:01.55 | Blu3 | i showed you all the version numbers available |
| 18:02.03 | Blu3 | you said mine was old |
| 18:02.26 | Blu3 | i have shr, if mine is old and shr is new, then i would have the newest available on shr |
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| 18:02.38 | dos1 | Blu3: no, no, no! |
| 18:02.47 | dos1 | you have old version with broken version number |
| 18:03.08 | dos1 | 0.8.5.1+gitr1352+072434b0ac588e5ed899809cc908883627a04e8d-r1 is never than your 0.8.5.1+gitrc9e5d80540d505fe64d2acae7bbd0645625446f2-r0 |
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| 18:03.46 | dos1 | but try to compare that version manually |
| 18:03.53 | dos1 | 0.8.5.1+gitr is equal |
| 18:04.07 | dos1 | but next char, "c" is higher than "1" |
| 18:04.54 | dos1 | so version 0.8.5.1+gitrc9e5d80540d505fe64d2acae7bbd0645625446f2-r0 is using wrong scheme, causing opkg to think that's the newest |
| 18:05.51 | Blu3 | gawd i love gentoo portage so much better |
| 18:07.01 | selke | hey, anyone know how to set a smaller font for the desktop-icons on the home-screen? |
| 18:07.24 | dos1 | Blu3: yep, opkg is crap, but your problem is not opkg problem; is package problem ;p |
| 18:07.30 | dos1 | use official feeds |
| 18:07.57 | dos1 | and if you want some app, which is not in official feeds, bug someone to add it to feed :P |
| 18:08.09 | Blu3 | official feeds don't have all the software to make a usable phone. i.e. updated versions of tangogps, claws mail, etc, etc |
| 18:08.13 | Blu3 | yeah, like that gets anywhere :p |
| 18:08.57 | dos1 | i think you are talking about different official feeds than i know ;p |
| 18:09.06 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: I have found a pattern, when fails the "call screen" |
| 18:09.09 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: are you here? |
| 18:09.12 | Blu3 | it goes along the lines of a) silence, or b) just wait until <some package> is ready |
| 18:09.15 | Blu3 | like opimd |
| 18:09.19 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: yeah |
| 18:09.25 | khiraly11 | ok |
| 18:09.48 | khiraly11 | First my girlfriend called me, I could answer and hangup also |
| 18:09.50 | dos1 | Blu3: opimd? |
| 18:10.03 | khiraly11 | The second time I could answer, but I could not hang up anymore |
| 18:10.08 | dos1 | Blu3: there is "package requests" section on trac |
| 18:10.09 | mirko-paroli | oh |
| 18:10.14 | khiraly11 | and after that I couldnt answer the phone anymore |
| 18:10.29 | mirko-paroli | hmm |
| 18:10.33 | dos1 | and i remember, when i was asking for packages, they were in repo in the same day ;p |
| 18:10.43 | mirko-paroli | can you do the usual and paste the log? |
| 18:10.45 | dos1 | of course if there is bb file for that package |
| 18:10.58 | khiraly11 | And between calls there wasnt 2 minute pause. Maybe half minute |
| 18:11.24 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: ok. Just a side note, this is the testing paroli (not the git one) |
| 18:11.35 | mirko-paroli | ah k |
| 18:11.51 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: than it could be a request cpu problem |
| 18:12.59 | khiraly11 | nope |
| 18:13.14 | khiraly11 | because if it the request cpu problem, it would "heal" byself |
| 18:13.22 | khiraly11 | and would happen *randomly * |
| 18:13.25 | khiraly11 | am I right? |
| 18:13.33 | mirko-paroli | it would happen whenever you end a call |
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| 18:13.44 | khiraly11 | and if the other ends the call? |
| 18:13.46 | mirko-paroli | and after that you would not be able to accept another one |
| 18:13.55 | mirko-paroli | than the framework could die |
| 18:14.54 | khiraly11 | and how can I check if the framework dies? |
| 18:15.04 | khiraly11 | ok. still you interested in the log? |
| 18:15.07 | mirko-paroli | ehm |
| 18:15.09 | mirko-paroli | yeah |
| 18:16.05 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: and please implement this piracy option |
| 18:16.12 | mirko-paroli | LOL |
| 18:16.12 | khiraly11 | in the log files |
| 18:16.25 | mirko-paroli | I am open for patches :) |
| 18:16.28 | khiraly11 | +362052xxxxx3 |
| 18:16.31 | khiraly11 | ok |
| 18:16.32 | mirko-paroli | actually I was trying to take that out earlier |
| 18:16.34 | khiraly11 | I will do it |
| 18:16.38 | mirko-paroli | didn't find it right away |
| 18:17.34 | khiraly11 | http://pastebin.com/d1c151172 |
| 18:18.55 | mirko-paroli | check line 418 |
| 18:19.01 | mirko-paroli | it is the cpu occupy |
| 18:19.27 | khiraly11 | ok. I will install the unstable when I get home |
| 18:21.02 | mirko-paroli | i hope we have a new one till then ;) |
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| 18:24.16 | khiraly11 | would be nice to install in parallel a git version too |
| 18:24.20 | khiraly11 | just for development |
| 18:25.07 | khiraly11 | because the git version has difficulties sometime to start |
| 18:25.14 | mirko-paroli | ? |
| 18:25.28 | khiraly11 | failed to allocate GSM resource, etc |
| 18:25.38 | khiraly11 | dont have an error message right now |
| 18:27.46 | khiraly11 | so would be nice to have a development version (what I did /usr/share/nfs-paroli) |
| 18:28.20 | khiraly11 | anyway. I will be at home within two hours |
| 18:28.25 | mirko-paroli | k |
| 18:28.28 | mirko-paroli | nice trip :) |
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| 18:45.55 | freerunnerlive | hallo |
| 18:46.06 | mirko-paroli | hi |
| 18:46.18 | freerunnerlive | kann trisoft nen buzz fix machen ? |
| 18:46.40 | freerunnerlive | oder ist ein golden Delirious anwesend |
| 18:48.21 | mwester | looks looks in his Hungarian/English phrasebook: "My hovercraft is full of eels." |
| 18:48.33 | Defiant | freerunnerlive: english please |
| 18:48.55 | freerunnerlive | ohh |
| 18:49.12 | Defiant | freerunnerlive: want a free battery? |
| 18:50.28 | Defiant | freerunnerlive: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Buzz-Rework |
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| 19:35.26 | khiraly11 | mirko: are you here? |
| 19:35.37 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: yepp |
| 19:35.41 | mirko-paroli | toying with unstable |
| 19:35.52 | khiraly11 | mirko-paroli: When the paroli failed (the distro one) I cant run the git paroli |
| 19:35.54 | mirko-paroli | so far no call error |
| 19:36.00 | khiraly11 | here is the error message: http://pastebin.com/d8af5c90 |
| 19:36.48 | mirko-paroli | one sec I'll try the PIN request here |
| 19:38.17 | mirko-paroli | oh |
| 19:38.23 | mirko-paroli | I get the same error |
| 19:38.25 | mirko-paroli | one sec |
| 19:38.31 | mirko-paroli | let me fix this *cough* |
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| 19:40.15 | khiraly11 | ok Im going home |
| 19:40.55 | mirko-paroli | khiraly11: i thought you were already on your wa |
| 19:40.57 | mirko-paroli | y |
| 19:41.02 | khiraly11 | nope |
| 19:41.10 | khiraly11 | Im going *now* |
| 19:41.19 | mirko-paroli | k i'll fix this and try to get a new image built |
| 19:41.19 | khiraly11 | the route takes about one hour |
| 19:41.21 | khiraly11 | ok. bye |
| 19:41.24 | Blu3 | ok. i've removed all repos except the shr unstables, i'll deal with the lack of other packages later. i need to fix ophonekitd now, 'tis segfaulting |
| 19:41.24 | mirko-paroli | cya |
| 19:41.38 | Blu3 | and framework is breaking w/ opimd |
| 19:41.50 | dos1 | Blu3: what? |
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| 19:42.08 | Blu3 | opimd should be an easy fix, OperationalError: unable to open database file |
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| 19:42.37 | dos1 | Blu3: it shouldn't break on this error... |
| 19:43.08 | Blu3 | frameworkd isn't crashing, just unable to do opimd |
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| 19:43.16 | Blu3 | ophonekitd is the one crashing |
| 19:44.47 | Blu3 | ** (process:1645): DEBUG: call ogsmd_device_set_antenna_power() |
| 19:44.47 | Blu3 | Failed to handle dbus error: Resource Device is not enabled, current status is 'enabling', 78 (dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32 |
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| 19:46.15 | Blu3 | hmm, ophonekitd is crashing w/ sigill |
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| 19:56.08 | lord-carlos | re |
| 19:59.26 | Blu3 | 'lo |
| 20:03.14 | Blu3 | hmm, after a few restarts of frameworkd ophonekitd stops segfaulting |
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| 20:15.38 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rbb84c7102de0 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: backend manager: raise correct errors and Init on Enable() |
| 20:15.40 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r287f33ddf0b1 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (5 files): |
| 20:15.40 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: opimd: Contacts: implement merging |
| 20:15.40 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: Contacts, Messages: rename enumerate_(contacts|messages) to enumerate_items |
| 20:16.54 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rc6ade7c3a087 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/helpers.py: opimd: helpers: add IncorectDomain error |
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| 21:18.18 | Blu3 | errrr, ok, oddness. ophonekitd didn't pop a dialog up to answer an inbound phone call |
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| 21:20.13 | khiraly1 | re |
| 21:21.03 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: so where is this unstable distribution? |
| 21:21.18 | mirko-paroli | http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/ |
| 21:23.32 | khiraly1 | http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.tar.gz |
| 21:23.35 | khiraly1 | ^^ this one? |
| 21:23.39 | mirko-paroli | yeah |
| 21:23.43 | khiraly1 | I want on the sd card |
| 21:23.43 | khiraly1 | ok |
| 21:23.49 | khiraly1 | do I need uImage too? |
| 21:23.56 | khiraly1 | http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.bin |
| 21:23.58 | khiraly1 | ^^ |
| 21:24.03 | mirko-paroli | sure |
| 21:24.38 | khiraly1 | hmm. It works with the default uImage too |
| 21:24.49 | khiraly1 | (what is in the /boot directory) |
| 21:24.58 | khiraly1 | in the tar.gz file |
| 21:25.09 | khiraly1 | ok. I will download the uImage too then |
| 21:27.56 | khiraly1 | downloading |
| 21:30.24 | mirko-paroli | k, finally hunted down the message counter bug |
| 21:30.44 | khiraly1 | there is a counter? |
| 21:30.49 | khiraly1 | didnt see it |
| 21:30.58 | mirko-paroli | on the homescreen |
| 21:31.03 | mirko-paroli | it shows missed calls and sms |
| 21:31.10 | khiraly1 | ah ok |
| 21:31.27 | khiraly1 | because in the sms we definietly need some counter what counts down from 160 |
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| 21:39.14 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r9a989ab8df8a 10/libfsoframework/ (4 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: openlog does not copy the ident string, make sure it's not removed |
| 21:39.15 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4fa806a5d3bc 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: fsoframework: kernel26_leds: leds 1.0 :) |
| 21:40.20 | khiraly1 | im erasing the sd card |
| 21:40.25 | khiraly1 | takes too much time |
| 21:40.37 | lindi- | khiraly1: erasing? |
| 21:40.57 | khiraly1 | yepp. To decompress the newest .tar.gz file |
| 21:41.22 | khiraly1 | so I erase everything from it (before tar xvf the new distro) |
| 21:41.32 | khiraly1 | lindi-: have a better method? |
| 21:43.28 | lindi- | khiraly1: just mkfs? |
| 21:43.28 | khiraly1 | doh |
| 21:43.28 | khiraly1 | you are right |
| 21:43.29 | lindi- | or rsync only the changes |
| 21:43.35 | lindi- | no need to torture the SD unnecessarily :) |
| 21:43.50 | khiraly1 | rsync? so should I decompress on my local computer and use rsync? |
| 21:44.02 | lindi- | khiraly1: for example |
| 21:44.02 | khiraly1 | does rsync correctly handles the dev files? |
| 21:44.09 | khiraly1 | like /dev/* |
| 21:44.23 | lindi- | khiraly1: sure if you are root |
| 21:44.36 | lindi- | and use rsync -a |
| 21:45.13 | khiraly1 | root where? on local computer? |
| 21:45.37 | khiraly1 | ok. I will read on rsync. But mkfs.ext2 is easy and takes only one minute |
| 21:48.30 | lindi- | khiraly1: both |
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| 21:53.49 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: I suspect the image has a problem |
| 21:54.02 | mirko-paroli | you won't be able to start paroli without modifying the start script |
| 21:54.19 | mirko-paroli | just to give you a heads-up |
| 21:56.08 | khiraly1 | okok |
| 21:56.51 | mirko-paroli | a new build is underway |
| 21:57.37 | khiraly1 | I can wait for it |
| 21:57.48 | khiraly1 | or try out rsync on it;) |
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| 22:05.31 | Blu3 | where in framework is the default spec that says to disable wifi on startup? |
| 22:06.11 | khiraly1 | ok. Installed. Trying to boot |
| 22:07.07 | mirko-paroli | k |
| 22:07.12 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: start script. You mean the Xsession file? So I need to manucally click on the desktop icon? |
| 22:07.25 | mirko-paroli | no the actual /usr/bin/paroli |
| 22:07.40 | khiraly1 | hmm. It does not boot at all |
| 22:08.35 | khiraly1 | there are trillion of message when booting: ext4_free_data: circular indirect block detected inode=12777, block = |
| 22:08.59 | khiraly1 | oh. It booted anyways |
| 22:09.13 | CIA-53 | freesmartphone.org: 03dos 07framework * rf75e2be34b9f 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_contacts.py: opimd: Contacts: implement GetUsedBackends() |
| 22:09.35 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: do you get also this strange dmesg messagE? |
| 22:09.52 | mirko-paroli | maybe I didn't pay close attention |
| 22:10.34 | khiraly1 | Paroli stopped running unexpectedly |
| 22:10.39 | khiraly1 | ^^ you mean this? |
| 22:10.43 | ndnihil | maybe he got tired? |
| 22:10.45 | mirko-paroli | yeah |
| 22:10.48 | ndnihil | rimshot |
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| 22:11.14 | mirko-paroli | there is 2 indentation errors |
| 22:11.21 | khiraly1 | doh |
| 22:11.23 | khiraly1 | thats it? |
| 22:11.29 | mirko-paroli | yeah |
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| 22:11.37 | mirko-paroli | line 203 |
| 22:11.43 | mirko-paroli | and 205 i think |
| 22:11.55 | khiraly1 | since I pressed the ok button, the display stayed black |
| 22:12.25 | khiraly1 | (paroli closed unexpectedly. [OK]) |
| 22:12.34 | mirko-paroli | ah |
| 22:12.37 | mirko-paroli | ok |
| 22:12.41 | mirko-paroli | yeah |
| 22:12.46 | mirko-paroli | that is the paroli profile |
| 22:12.49 | mirko-paroli | ssh in |
| 22:13.01 | mirko-paroli | and vi the errors away ;) |
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| 22:16.31 | khiraly1 | ehh |
| 22:16.39 | khiraly1 | this distro goes suspend all the time |
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| 22:16.50 | mirko-paroli | while on dbus? |
| 22:17.05 | mirko-paroli | sry |
| 22:17.08 | mirko-paroli | on usb of course |
| 22:17.44 | khiraly1 | yepp |
| 22:17.54 | mirko-paroli | uh |
| 22:18.01 | mirko-paroli | what means all the time |
| 22:18.04 | mirko-paroli | every 30s ? |
| 22:18.04 | khiraly1 | i need to tap on the phone 30 secs or so |
| 22:18.10 | mirko-paroli | ah |
| 22:18.23 | khiraly1 | I couldnt edit /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg |
| 22:18.24 | mirko-paroli | could be that the rules weren't copied correctly |
| 22:18.35 | mirko-paroli | why would you? |
| 22:19.24 | khiraly1 | to disable paroli fullscreen |
| 22:19.37 | mirko-paroli | that is not in the cfg |
| 22:19.44 | mirko-paroli | that is a dbus command to e |
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| 22:20.40 | khiraly1 | it was some advanced option |
| 22:20.57 | mirko-paroli | not in paroli.cfg |
| 22:22.00 | mirko-paroli | mdbus org.enlightenment.wm.service /org/enlightenment/wm/RemoteObject org.enlightenment.wm.Profile.Set illume |
| 22:22.13 | mirko-paroli | you have to do an export DISPLAY=:0 first |
| 22:22.58 | khiraly1 | I can do this via the setting menu of paroli |
| 22:23.01 | khiraly1 | no? |
| 22:23.06 | mirko-paroli | yeah |
| 22:23.15 | mirko-paroli | but if you can't launch paroli |
| 22:23.25 | khiraly1 | I launched though ssh |
| 22:23.32 | khiraly1 | and appeared on the screen |
| 22:23.38 | mirko-paroli | ah k |
| 22:23.40 | khiraly1 | I changed to illume |
| 22:23.45 | khiraly1 | do I need to restart? |
| 22:23.47 | mirko-paroli | nope |
| 22:23.55 | mirko-paroli | did you do an export DISPLAY=:0 before? |
| 22:24.02 | khiraly1 | yes |
| 22:24.02 | mirko-paroli | e is bound to the session |
| 22:24.04 | mirko-paroli | hmm |
| 22:24.07 | mirko-paroli | then it should be ther |
| 22:24.09 | mirko-paroli | e |
| 22:24.12 | mirko-paroli | and work |
| 22:24.41 | khiraly1 | I have profile illume, when I go to the settings |
| 22:24.44 | khiraly1 | but no illume bar |
| 22:24.50 | badcloud | I'm finished installing debian on the uSD using the script |
| 22:24.53 | mirko-paroli | i suggest you reboot the phone |
| 22:25.04 | badcloud | figured the next step is to umount /mnt/debian |
| 22:25.10 | badcloud | but the device is busy |
| 22:25.34 | badcloud | how do I find out whats accessing the device? |
| 22:25.47 | khiraly1 | badcloud: fuser -v |
| 22:26.07 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: Im rebooting |
| 22:26.13 | badcloud | thanks |
| 22:26.19 | mirko-paroli | k |
| 22:26.35 | *** join/#openmoko Ophelia (n=Ophelia@p5B276F8E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:26.36 | khiraly1 | this suspend problem (when connected on usb), do you have it? |
| 22:26.39 | badcloud | -v invalid option |
| 22:26.42 | mirko-paroli | nope |
| 22:26.51 | mirko-paroli | but I rebooted several times |
| 22:26.51 | badcloud | plain ol' fuser doesn't print anything |
| 22:26.53 | khiraly1 | badcloud: a sec |
| 22:26.58 | badcloud | k |
| 22:27.53 | khiraly1 | fuser -m |
| 22:27.59 | khiraly1 | fuser -m /mnt/dat |
| 22:28.07 | khiraly1 | and should print out the process' pid |
| 22:28.39 | badcloud | could you repeat your previous sentence? I accidentally cleared the screen |
| 22:28.52 | khiraly1 | (00.27.58) khiraly1: fuser -m /mnt/dat |
| 22:29.02 | khiraly1 | (00.28.06) khiraly1: and should print out the process' pid |
| 22:29.40 | badcloud | thanks |
| 22:30.26 | badcloud | '/usr/sbin/nodm? |
| 22:30.47 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: now, it is working |
| 22:30.55 | khiraly1 | i could change paroli->illume |
| 22:31.17 | khiraly1 | nice. We have only paroli and a terminal |
| 22:31.28 | khiraly1 | no htop or elementary demonstration |
| 22:31.29 | badcloud | don't want to kill it before I know what it's doing |
| 22:32.00 | BillK | Can someone suggest a countdown timer for shr? (i.e., an egg timer - its breakfast time :) |
| 22:34.01 | badcloud | the pid points to /usr/sbin/nodm |
| 22:34.08 | badcloud | and I can't even find such a file |
| 22:36.02 | khiraly1 | mirko||food-hunt: we have a mute button right next to the End call button? |
| 22:36.03 | khiraly1 | awesome |
| 22:36.24 | khiraly1 | badcloud: kill it and see what happens;) |
| 22:36.57 | badcloud | it won't be killed |
| 22:37.00 | badcloud | rebooted |
| 22:37.07 | badcloud | getting kernel panic |
| 22:37.28 | badcloud | something in the debian install apparently isn't entirely kosher |
| 22:37.34 | *** join/#openmoko Ophelia (n=Ophelia@91.39.111.142) |
| 22:38.03 | lindi- | badcloud: what's the panic message? |
| 22:38.18 | badcloud | hmmm |
| 22:38.31 | badcloud | kinda extensive |
| 22:38.38 | badcloud | what part should I specify? |
| 22:38.55 | khiraly1 | mirko||food-hunt: it is kinda strange |
| 22:39.00 | badcloud | well, I should start by saying that the aux is going haywire |
| 22:39.17 | lindi- | badcloud: it always does in panic |
| 22:39.17 | khiraly1 | When I call the phone, I have 3-4 sec ringing before the actual talking |
| 22:39.22 | khiraly1 | it was the same in the past |
| 22:39.29 | lindi- | badcloud: if you have a digital camera can you just take a photo? |
| 22:39.33 | badcloud | yeah |
| 22:39.35 | badcloud | one sec |
| 22:39.37 | khiraly1 | but now, I have 2-3 sec vibration too! |
| 22:40.19 | khiraly1 | (before I the vibration have immediatly gone off when I accepted the call) |
| 22:40.35 | khiraly1 | before that |
| 22:40.38 | khiraly1 | the old release |
| 22:42.01 | badcloud | man, this is tricky |
| 22:42.07 | badcloud | getting a focused enough shot |
| 22:42.49 | badcloud | better off just typing some of it |
| 22:43.12 | badcloud | 45:f4000000 r4:fffffff |
| 22:43.34 | lindi- | badcloud: hmm, that sounds like a register dump |
| 22:43.41 | badcloud | [<c02c7d90>] |
| 22:43.41 | lindi- | badcloud: can you just pick the english words? |
| 22:43.44 | badcloud | sure |
| 22:44.00 | badcloud | panice+... |
| 22:44.05 | badcloud | *panic+... |
| 22:44.15 | badcloud | mount_block_root+... |
| 22:44.37 | badcloud | mount_root+... |
| 22:44.48 | lindi- | badcloud: ok, you have misconfigured bootloader probably |
| 22:44.49 | badcloud | prepare_namespace... |
| 22:44.55 | badcloud | gotcha |
| 22:45.04 | badcloud | that was mostly the bottom part of the screen |
| 22:45.21 | badcloud | I could try nor |
| 22:45.37 | lindi- | badcloud: the real error message probably scrolled of the screen unless it has "unknown block" somewhere there? |
| 22:45.44 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.50 | badcloud | I think |
| 22:45.53 | khiraly1 | mirko||food-hunt: oops. I cant call the phone anymore. the other mobile phone show on the screen: No success |
| 22:45.54 | badcloud | I'll see again |
| 22:46.20 | badcloud | nor didn't work either |
| 22:46.21 | *** join/#openmoko gcwilson (n=gcwilson@cpe-70-112-190-84.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 22:46.34 | khiraly1 | and If I want to call a number from this phone (openmoko) it calls, the Call button change to End call, but after 3-5 sec it just erase the number, and dont happen anything |
| 22:46.38 | badcloud | the (sd option) |
| 22:47.05 | badcloud | it's an unknown block thing |
| 22:47.24 | badcloud | 'not synching' |
| 22:47.28 | badcloud | *syncing |
| 22:48.17 | khiraly1 | hmm, this one pixel wide e system menu didnt get fixed |
| 22:48.43 | badcloud | I think I got it, lindi- |
| 22:48.57 | badcloud | the second partition contains the fs |
| 22:49.04 | khiraly1 | Ok. I restart it |
| 22:49.05 | badcloud | I deleted the first partition |
| 22:49.37 | badcloud | why does it look for a partition at the beginning of the card? |
| 22:50.35 | lindi- | badcloud: since you configured it like that? |
| 22:50.52 | lindi- | badcloud: use 'sudo fw_printenv' to see uboot configuration |
| 22:51.00 | badcloud | I'm using qi |
| 22:51.15 | lindi- | badcloud: what parameters did you pass to kernel with that then? |
| 22:51.43 | badcloud | hmmm, I don't know what you mean |
| 22:52.06 | badcloud | I used the install script using the switches QI=true and QI_VERBOSE_BOOT=truee |
| 22:52.20 | badcloud | as far as I know, I didn't touch the kernel or the bootloader |
| 22:53.05 | badcloud | I started off with two partitions, one vfat of a somewhat insignificant size (beginning of card), and a ~15gb ext2 part |
| 22:53.08 | badcloud | at the end of the card |
| 22:53.19 | badcloud | from what I understood from the 'manual debian install' |
| 22:53.26 | badcloud | the kernel could reside on the vfat |
| 22:53.31 | badcloud | but that didn't work |
| 22:53.41 | badcloud | so I deleted the first (vfat) part |
| 22:53.54 | badcloud | and used the script to install debian on the second |
| 22:54.33 | badcloud | does qi require the /boot to be on the first block of the card? |
| 22:55.38 | lindi- | badcloud: does Qi understand vfat? |
| 22:55.47 | *** part/#openmoko gargoyle-grin (n=randerso@gentoo/contributor/gargoyle-grin) |
| 22:55.49 | badcloud | nt sure |
| 22:55.51 | badcloud | *not |
| 22:56.04 | lindi- | I somehow doubt that |
| 22:56.11 | badcloud | but that's irrelevant now, since that partition doesn't exist now |
| 22:56.12 | lindi- | badcloud: however, it was able to read your kernel |
| 22:56.28 | badcloud | I don't think it did |
| 22:56.36 | lindi- | badcloud: how did it boot your kernel then? ;) |
| 22:56.45 | badcloud | nor |
| 22:56.53 | lindi- | badcloud: ? |
| 22:56.55 | badcloud | nand from nor, rahter |
| 22:56.57 | badcloud | *rather |
| 22:57.06 | badcloud | I have a kernel on nand |
| 22:57.10 | badcloud | and one on the sd |
| 22:57.16 | badcloud | the kernel on nand |
| 22:57.19 | badcloud | boots to shr |
| 22:57.19 | lindi- | badcloud: ok, and it booted the wrong one? |
| 22:57.28 | *** join/#openmoko LoRez (i=lorez@freenode/staff/lorez) |
| 22:57.30 | badcloud | naw, the nand one boots fine |
| 22:57.39 | badcloud | but I can't boot the kernel off of the usd |
| 22:57.42 | badcloud | via nor |
| 22:57.55 | badcloud | or when I power the device normally, for that matter |
| 22:58.09 | lindi- | badcloud: nor u-boot does not understand ext2 probably? |
| 22:58.18 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: I couldnt reproduce this call failing (when the other phone *display* no success text) |
| 22:58.22 | badcloud | maybe |
| 22:58.27 | khiraly1 | After I restarted the phone it seems stable |
| 22:58.34 | khiraly1 | I called several times |
| 22:58.39 | lindi- | badcloud: debian docs say you need newer u-boot |
| 22:58.43 | badcloud | really? |
| 22:58.46 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: that probably meant that the phone was not properly registeres |
| 22:58.49 | mirko-paroli | registered |
| 22:58.52 | badcloud | qi doesn't work well then? |
| 22:58.58 | badcloud | I could always try |
| 22:59.08 | badcloud | where's the newest uboot? |
| 22:59.09 | khiraly1 | But the vibration problem is still there. When I accept the call it vibrates 2 more times. Its about 3 sec. And one sec after the ringtone goes off too |
| 22:59.25 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: that is a framework issue |
| 22:59.37 | khiraly1 | yepp, but before the vibration stopped immediatly |
| 22:59.42 | khiraly1 | just the ringtone had problem |
| 22:59.55 | mirko-paroli | angus bumped the framework revision |
| 23:01.36 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: flashing to latest unstable |
| 23:02.56 | badcloud | lindi, looks like u-boot hung on me |
| 23:03.14 | badcloud | all I see is a remnant of nor |
| 23:03.19 | badcloud | 'poweroff' |
| 23:03.32 | khiraly1 | lindi-: so how to use this rsync?;) |
| 23:03.35 | khiraly1 | time to google |
| 23:04.28 | lindi- | khiraly1: you only need -a and --delete flags. --dry-run and -v to verify what it is going to do |
| 23:04.47 | lindi- | khiraly1: -x might be useful sometimes too, depending on your situation |
| 23:04.54 | badcloud | any ideas, lindi-? |
| 23:05.01 | badcloud | how do I recover u-boot? |
| 23:06.13 | khiraly1 | lindi-: I should specify somewhere the ip address of remote host no? |
| 23:06.24 | Blu3 | thank you for your help earlier dos1 |
| 23:06.53 | lindi- | badcloud: why did you install Qi in the first place? |
| 23:06.59 | lindi- | khiraly1: yep |
| 23:07.05 | badcloud | faster resume |
| 23:07.20 | lindi- | badcloud: ah, did it help? |
| 23:07.25 | badcloud | yep |
| 23:07.43 | lindi- | maybe I should try that too if I can figure out how to compile Q |
| 23:07.45 | badcloud | only at the expense that I can't use u-boot anymore for some reason |
| 23:07.54 | badcloud | why compile? |
| 23:08.01 | badcloud | I just downloaded and flashed |
| 23:08.07 | khiraly1 | badcloud: you always have uboot in nor |
| 23:08.11 | lindi- | badcloud: to make sure I can modify it if I need to |
| 23:08.11 | khiraly1 | so where is the problem |
| 23:08.14 | khiraly1 | ? |
| 23:08.21 | lindi- | khiraly1: but it is old u-boot |
| 23:08.33 | khiraly1 | lindi-: it can be updated, no? |
| 23:08.45 | khiraly1 | wiki says so |
| 23:08.51 | lindi- | khiraly1: not without debug board |
| 23:08.56 | khiraly1 | oh |
| 23:09.14 | khiraly1 | time to u-boot party then;) |
| 23:09.31 | badcloud | found a bit of info in the qi portion of the wiki |
| 23:11.39 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=Satan@41.153.252.10) |
| 23:15.38 | khiraly1 | hmm |
| 23:16.01 | khiraly1 | how can I untar the fso-paroli-image.tar.gz on local dir? |
| 23:16.12 | khiraly1 | It fails to create some dev device (using mknod) |
| 23:16.27 | khiraly1 | what is the safest mode to unpack the .tar.gz package? |
| 23:17.56 | khiraly1 | ok Im going back to the mkfs.ext2 method |
| 23:20.16 | badcloud | got it! |
| 23:20.20 | badcloud | root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 23:20.45 | badcloud | /mnt/debian/boot/append-GTA02 |
| 23:22.30 | khiraly1 | how slow to copy over freerunner |
| 23:22.37 | khiraly1 | 180-200 kB/s |
| 23:22.50 | khiraly1 | comparable with my net |
| 23:24.00 | badcloud | man, I love how things are so straight forward sometimes |
| 23:27.27 | *** join/#openmoko dkirker (n=dkirker@pcp062027pcs.wireless.calpoly.edu) |
| 23:29.43 | *** join/#openmoko j_ack (n=rudi@dsbg-4db5fcec.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 23:31.01 | khiraly1 | ok. Im restarting my phone to the newest version |
| 23:31.13 | mirko-paroli | good luck :) |
| 23:31.56 | khiraly1 | I hope the E's system menu is fixed;) |
| 23:35.45 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: LOL |
| 23:35.51 | mirko-paroli | that one needs to be fixed upstream |
| 23:35.57 | mirko-paroli | has nothing to do with om2009 |
| 23:40.26 | *** join/#openmoko bkruse (n=bkruse@76.73.154.120) |
| 23:41.15 | khiraly1 | and it didnt fixed yet? |
| 23:41.22 | khiraly1 | on week old bug |
| 23:41.24 | khiraly1 | at least |
| 23:41.59 | khiraly1 | one week |
| 23:42.21 | khiraly1 | it takes age to boot this phone |
| 23:42.23 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: btw there is a suspend setting |
| 23:42.27 | mirko-paroli | unde rphone |
| 23:42.45 | mirko-paroli | if you put it on -1 it *should* not go into suspend anymore |
| 23:42.58 | khiraly1 | I want suspend |
| 23:43.04 | khiraly1 | just not when usb connected |
| 23:43.18 | khiraly1 | btw, I hope I can test this image for the whole weekend;) |
| 23:43.28 | khiraly1 | I want phone functionality for the weeken |
| 23:43.36 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 23:43.57 | mirko-paroli | we are planning a new testing for tomorrow or today, depending on where in the world you are |
| 23:44.50 | khiraly1 | heh |
| 23:44.57 | khiraly1 | cant fint this illume profile thing |
| 23:45.07 | khiraly1 | should be under settings->phone |
| 23:45.17 | mirko-paroli | illume profile? |
| 23:45.20 | mirko-paroli | Displa |
| 23:45.21 | mirko-paroli | y |
| 23:45.43 | khiraly1 | I dont have display option either (under settings) |
| 23:45.57 | mirko-paroli | that's not too nice |
| 23:45.58 | khiraly1 | wifi, phone, gprs, Time, SIM, Network, Messages, Call Forwarding |
| 23:46.02 | mirko-paroli | hmm |
| 23:46.25 | khiraly1 | I enabled illume profile, relaunched the phone (because it didnt show up) |
| 23:46.35 | khiraly1 | but it does not show up right now either |
| 23:46.49 | mirko-paroli | that ain't good |
| 23:47.03 | mirko-paroli | can you check the log for error |
| 23:47.09 | mirko-paroli | and display.py |
| 23:47.54 | mirko-paroli | i need to catch 2hrs of sleep after this |
| 23:48.01 | *** join/#openmoko dkirker (n=dkirker@gateway0.openmobl.com) |
| 23:48.04 | khiraly1 | me too |
| 23:48.11 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 23:48.12 | khiraly1 | I need to wake up in 3 hours |
| 23:48.17 | khiraly1 | http://pastebin.com/d762ad71 |
| 23:48.17 | mirko-paroli | outsch |
| 23:48.52 | khiraly1 | 2009-06-08 01:41:02,928 power   INFO   display service init 2009-06-08 01:41:02,948 power   INFO   connecting to e dbus iface 2009-06-08 01:41:03,352 power   WARNING  can't use e dbus interface service : org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freesmartphone.odeviced was not provided by any .service files |
| 23:48.55 | khiraly1 | doh |
| 23:49.04 | khiraly1 | line 127-129 |
| 23:49.08 | mirko-paroli | shite |
| 23:50.12 | mirko-paroli | testing |
| 23:50.17 | mirko-paroli | will be uploaded in 4 |
| 23:50.18 | mirko-paroli | ;) |
| 23:50.31 | mirko-paroli | add yield WaitDBusName('org.freesmartphone.odeviced', time_out=120, session=False) |
| 23:50.35 | khiraly1 | there are some .service file missing. It is the same problem as the suspend issue when pluged the usb? |
| 23:50.51 | mirko-paroli | in display.py in /usr/share/paroli/services/display.py l 59 |
| 23:50.58 | khiraly1 | (01.50.17) mirko-paroli: will be uploaded in 4 <--? dont understand |
| 23:51.03 | mirko-paroli | the fix |
| 23:51.05 | mirko-paroli | :) |
| 23:51.31 | khiraly1 | in 4? |
| 23:51.38 | mirko-paroli | minutes |
| 23:51.49 | khiraly1 | like in 4 hours? |
| 23:53.12 | khiraly1 | I do not have usr/share/paroli/services/display.py |
| 23:53.20 | mirko-paroli | ? |
| 23:53.42 | khiraly1 | dialog, gprs, hardware, phone, prefs, system, wifi |
| 23:53.53 | mirko-paroli | sry forgot the folder |
| 23:53.55 | mirko-paroli | system |
| 23:54.08 | mirko-paroli | add the line before |
| 23:54.18 | mirko-paroli | bus2 = dbus.SystemBus(mainloop=tichy.mainloop.dbus_loop) |
| 23:54.25 | mirko-paroli | so as your new line 58 |
| 23:54.44 | khiraly1 | doh. My phone just suspended again |
| 23:54.48 | khiraly1 | lost my connection |
| 23:54.53 | mirko-paroli | just wake it up |
| 23:54.56 | mirko-paroli | ssh will resume |
| 23:56.41 | khiraly1 | how to relaunch paroli without illume? |
| 23:56.45 | khiraly1 | just kill it? |
| 23:57.05 | mirko-paroli | yeah |
| 23:57.20 | mirko-paroli | does the FR come with screen? |
| 23:57.26 | mirko-paroli | you could launch it in a screen session |
| 23:57.30 | mirko-paroli | and then disconnect |
| 23:57.31 | mirko-paroli | anyhow |
| 23:57.35 | mirko-paroli | I need some sleep |
| 23:57.39 | mirko-paroli | already 8am here |
| 23:57.47 | mirko-paroli | need to be in the office at 10.30 |
| 23:57.52 | khiraly1 | where are you? |
| 23:57.56 | mirko-paroli | Taiwan |
| 23:58.31 | mirko-paroli | k, ttyl today :) |
| 23:58.38 | khiraly1 | thanks. This yield line did the trick |
| 23:58.51 | mirko-paroli | nice |
| 23:58.55 | mirko-paroli | bye |
| 23:58.56 | khiraly1 | thank you for your help |
| 23:59.14 | mirko-paroli | no prob |
| 23:59.19 | mirko-paroli | thx for chosing paroli ;) |
| 23:59.31 | mirko-paroli | (in reference to the airline saying) |
| 23:59.43 | khiraly1 | :) |
| 23:59.53 | khiraly1 | really nice app by the way |
| 23:59.54 | mirko-paroli | cya |
