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| 03:39.28 | khiraly1 | re |
| 03:39.33 | khiraly1 | is there anybody awake? |
| 03:39.46 | khiraly1 | http://www.opkg.org/package_143.html |
| 03:39.53 | khiraly1 | ^^ how to start gridpad? |
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| 03:50.22 | khiraly1 | ok figured out, just cant switch back to normal keyboard |
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| 05:33.34 | slaxxer | shr testing get fixed? |
| 05:34.17 | ndnihil | I hope so |
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| 05:39.10 | slaxxer | unless they just replaced the files itss still stuck on may2-3 |
| 05:39.40 | slaxxer | opkg upgrade killed my install |
| 05:40.19 | ndnihil | a fresh flash of 0503 is kinda broken too |
| 05:40.20 | slaxxer | no what? |
| 05:40.36 | slaxxer | sound? |
| 05:41.06 | ndnihil | power button, instead of bringing up the poweroff/suspend menu, draws a thin line down the screen and freezes |
| 05:41.21 | slaxxer | yup that too |
| 05:41.24 | ndnihil | like the animation for it is broken or something |
| 05:41.33 | ndnihil | gprs settings dont persist |
| 05:41.41 | slaxxer | its a feature |
| 05:42.46 | slaxxer | less is better unless u can hack your friends iphone standing next to them |
| 05:43.32 | slaxxer | or not |
| 05:46.58 | khiraly1 | chance, that somebody pointed me a week old shr image file |
| 05:47.07 | khiraly1 | and flashed it, and works |
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| 05:47.36 | khiraly1 | (more or less) Paroli is much more responsible. And this phonebook application tends to silently fail |
| 05:48.20 | slaxxer | which image u flash? |
| 05:48.54 | slaxxer | 0422 or 0416 |
| 05:50.47 | khiraly1 | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr-testing/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
| 05:50.54 | khiraly1 | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr-testing/openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090416-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 05:51.04 | slaxxer | yea me to |
| 05:51.07 | khiraly1 | slaxxer: ^^ these two |
| 05:51.20 | slaxxer | already have em,") |
| 05:51.39 | khiraly1 | but flashed om2009 too, and paroli is really great. Just I missed the other applications |
| 05:52.07 | slaxxer | u can add them as u see fit |
| 05:52.31 | khiraly1 | Im thinking to reinstall it, and disable paroli fullscreen |
| 05:52.46 | khiraly1 | (I accidentally enabled when asked at the first run) |
| 05:52.57 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.07 | slaxxer | oic |
| 05:53.34 | PaulFertser | wonders where do people who post _that_ kind of nonsense to linux arm kernel ML come from: http://pastebin.com/m6853ff49 |
| 05:53.57 | slaxxer | i hah an image that had zhone an paroli working together |
| 05:54.35 | ndnihil | wow |
| 05:54.46 | khiraly1 | I would really like an image, where shr would mix with paroli. So the telephony application would be replaced by paroli. |
| 05:55.05 | ndnihil | you can install paroli on shr if I'm not mistaken |
| 05:55.13 | khiraly1 | And the keyboards (terminal keyboard, gridpad, illume keyboard) would work flawlessly together |
| 05:55.37 | khiraly1 | ndnihil: I will in the coming weeks;) |
| 05:55.51 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: there is a setting in paroli to switch to illume mdoe |
| 05:55.54 | mirko-paroli | mode |
| 05:56.00 | khiraly1 | by the way I installed intone. And it misses the mplayer package. And Im unable to find it |
| 05:56.09 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: where? |
| 05:56.25 | slaxxer | shr-unstable repository |
| 05:56.29 | mirko-paroli | edit /etc/paroli/paroli.cfg at the very bottom, set [settings] to True |
| 05:56.34 | mirko-paroli | and then restart paroli |
| 05:56.42 | mirko-paroli | on the home screen hold the aux-button pressen |
| 05:56.47 | mirko-paroli | and you get a settings app |
| 05:56.57 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: my two biggest usability issue with paroli is no sound feedback ("click") and some buttons does not have clicked state. So I cant see if I clicked on it or not |
| 05:57.01 | mirko-paroli | press Display and you can switch the enlightenment profiles |
| 05:57.29 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: I agree with the second one, the first is up for debate ;) |
| 05:57.31 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: yepp, just in the default om2009 install there is only paroli and no terminal. So I reflashed with shr. But I will return to it, and set up ssh to it |
| 05:57.52 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: especially the back button |
| 05:57.58 | mirko-paroli | yepp |
| 05:57.59 | mirko-paroli | agreed |
| 05:58.04 | ndnihil | flasing the latest fso-paroli again |
| 05:58.33 | khiraly1 | sound feedback is important because the phone is slow (right now), so dont know/feel if I correctly touched the button or not |
| 05:58.40 | ndnihil | I don't think it made it to gui last night when I tried |
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| 05:58.58 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: I am currently trying to get all settings/apps etc finished, functionality wise and then I'll go back to the usability things |
| 05:59.16 | slaxxer | 3-5 minuits |
| 05:59.23 | ndnihil | you doing a proper mail app>? |
| 05:59.28 | ndnihil | s/>//g |
| 05:59.42 | mirko-paroli | ndnihil: I just falshed the latest unstable and it works out of da box here |
| 05:59.46 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: but it is only some .edj theming issue (the button) or some more deeper |
| 05:59.54 | ndnihil | hrm, which unstable? |
| 05:59.58 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: indeed |
| 06:00.09 | ndnihil | oh wait, I tried shr unstable, not om unstable |
| 06:00.11 | khiraly1 | (that was a question;) |
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| 06:00.55 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: in theory it is only a theme issue, just a few calls I guess |
| 06:00.58 | ndnihil | mirko: the 0504 build? |
| 06:01.07 | mirko-paroli | http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/ |
| 06:01.32 | ndnihil | ah, I was in unstable/daily |
| 06:01.44 | mirko-paroli | it's the 4th here, but could be something on the server |
| 06:01.52 | khiraly1 | mirko-paroli: but overall paroli is awesome. Really responsible, the dialer app is just a killer app, etc |
| 06:01.53 | mirko-paroli | hmm, nytowl has issues with it |
| 06:02.00 | khiraly1 | so keep up the good work. |
| 06:02.05 | ndnihil | I've got the recent testing halfway on there |
| 06:02.08 | mirko-paroli | khiraly1: thx :) |
| 06:02.13 | ndnihil | but I'll try that unstable when it's done |
| 06:03.30 | khiraly1 | and the neo is really beautiful in real life |
| 06:03.50 | ndnihil | was pretty impressed with the box it came in |
| 06:03.55 | khiraly1 | from photos looks ugly. But in real life the plastic housing is first class |
| 06:04.42 | khiraly1 | especially this kind of rubber on it |
| 06:04.54 | khiraly1 | its essentially scratch proof;) |
| 06:06.13 | sypher7 | *sigh* mine will come in the mail tomorrow or the day after. :-P |
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| 06:07.11 | ndnihil | bastards dropped the price by $100 the day after mine showed up |
| 06:08.39 | sypher7 | yeah, that's what convinced me to finally buy one. been mulling it over for the past year |
| 06:09.32 | sypher7 | stuck in a contract with verizon for a few more months, but i figure i should take advantage of the sale, and maybe by the time my contract is up i can switch providers and my freerunner might be usable as a day-to-day phone by then (october) |
| 06:10.04 | sypher7 | and in the meantime maybe i could develop for it so that I can help make that happen. |
| 06:11.03 | sypher7 | on the other hand, if all that fails, it'll be fun to mess around with anyhow :-D |
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| 06:13.44 | khiraly1 | but freerunner is not tied to any provider. So why cant you just insert a verizon sim card in it? |
| 06:14.05 | ndnihil | verizon is cdma |
| 06:14.10 | ndnihil | no sim |
| 06:14.49 | khiraly1 | line phone? |
| 06:14.58 | ndnihil | nope |
| 06:15.04 | ndnihil | cdma |
| 06:15.09 | ndnihil | the freerunner is gsm |
| 06:15.14 | ndnihil | gsm uses sim |
| 06:15.17 | ndnihil | cdma does not |
| 06:15.53 | sypher7 | yeah. same for sprint, cricket, a few others i think |
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| 06:16.40 | sypher7 | fortunately you can buy a t-mobile SIM card for like $7 off of their website, so i'll at least have something to test with |
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| 06:16.59 | khiraly1 | never seen cdma phone |
| 06:17.14 | khiraly1 | not here in Europe at least |
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| 06:17.31 | ndnihil | I don't think you use cdma on that side of the pond |
| 06:17.45 | ndnihil | at least not until you get over towards asia |
| 06:18.25 | raster | khiraly1: they look pretty much like gsm phones |
| 06:18.26 | raster | :) |
| 06:18.45 | khiraly1 | raster: its usa only? |
| 06:18.52 | sypher7 | raster: they're uglier. :-P |
| 06:18.53 | raster | no |
| 06:18.56 | raster | korea is also cdma |
| 06:19.03 | raster | australia had a cdma network |
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| 06:19.08 | raster | its being pulled down now |
| 06:19.13 | raster | as gsmkicked its butt |
| 06:19.17 | khiraly1 | hmm. code division multiple access. I remember some protocol things from uni |
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| 06:19.22 | raster | i think u will find cdmaq in a fewother places too |
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| 06:19.37 | methril|work | morning |
| 06:19.44 | khiraly1 | but wikipedia shows at least a photo of a phone |
| 06:19.44 | sypher7 | verizon claims that they are switching to more open/linux-based stuff (i.e. limo and whatnot) but i don't see them dropping CDMA ever. |
| 06:19.45 | raster | sypher7: actually cmda phones are no uglier than gsm |
| 06:19.52 | raster | its the same thing just a few chips difference |
| 06:20.02 | raster | in fact some phones come win cdma ANd gsm versions |
| 06:20.11 | raster | identical from the outside |
| 06:20.15 | sypher7 | raster: i know. :-D mine is just uglier |
| 06:20.50 | sypher7 | than the freerunner that is |
| 06:20.56 | khiraly1 | the leather case is really worth the money. But the slim keyboard hardly |
| 06:21.23 | raster | in fact.. you could say cdma has won |
| 06:21.25 | raster | as 3g is cdma |
| 06:21.29 | raster | wcdma to b e exact |
| 06:21.35 | khiraly1 | so difficult to type on it. And requires some "button battery" (like in watches) |
| 06:23.50 | sypher7 | to be honest i have nothing against CDMA. verizon always provided pretty reliable service. unfortunately they are a bit more expensive than other providers and i'm gun-ho about using a freerunner as a daily phone some day, so for those two reasons i'll probably switch providers |
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| 07:18.01 | rhaeder | good morning. I updated to 2009 testing, so far it went smooth e.g. flashing kernel and roofs |
| 07:19.25 | rhaeder | but the desktop is very "solid", I only can have b&w color theme. is this the current development stage? or can I somehow change it? I installed a lot programs but none becomes visible on the desktop |
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| 07:25.37 | ndnihil | try yesterdays release |
| 07:25.41 | ndnihil | I just flashed it |
| 07:25.47 | ndnihil | you get both illume and paroli |
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| 07:30.02 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:35.11 | rhaeder | ndnihil: opkg |
| 07:35.14 | rhaeder | opps |
| 07:35.37 | rhaeder | opkg is also working? I'm familar with it :) |
| 07:35.51 | rhaeder | it is really easy like apt-get |
| 07:36.05 | ndnihil | I only use it to install things |
| 07:36.09 | ndnihil | haven't tried update |
| 07:36.18 | ndnihil | not that there would be much to update from yesterdays build |
| 07:36.32 | rhaeder | btw: will there also be an aptitude clone (let me say: optitude?) available? |
| 07:36.37 | rhaeder | ok |
| 07:36.56 | ndnihil | you can use apt/aptitude, if you install debian on your fr |
| 07:37.15 | rhaeder | yes, I know. :) |
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| 10:10.59 | qknight | hello |
| 10:11.23 | qknight | i reinstalled all software on the om and now it is working (didn't expect that) |
| 10:11.33 | qknight | however my sd card still is not found by my system |
| 10:11.45 | qknight | which driver has to be loaded for that device? |
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| 10:19.31 | qknight | different question: http://labs.o-hand.com/2008/02/05/openmoko-wifi-driver/ <- is this an open source driver for that ar6k chip in the openmoko? |
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| 10:22.55 | Heinervdm | qknight: it's in the linux kernel so it have to be open-source |
| 10:24.26 | qknight | that is good! |
| 10:24.51 | qknight | did anyone here detect screen corruption in X? |
| 10:25.00 | qknight | i have 3 differe3nt types of screen buffer corruption |
| 10:25.14 | Heinervdm | which distri do you use? my sd card works out of the box in shr |
| 10:25.23 | qknight | shr |
| 10:25.30 | qknight | and i issues an opkg upgrade |
| 10:25.36 | qknight | which didn't went that successful |
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| 10:32.00 | qknight | is the module for that sd-cardreader included in the kernel or as module? |
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| 10:35.08 | Heinervdm | qknight: on my shr no module is loaded for this, so it should be included in kernel |
| 10:35.10 | qknight | ok |
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| 10:35.39 | qknight | after reloading this module (rmmod s3cmci; modprobe s3cmci) for the sd card reader i get this: http://rafb.net/p/yqzwpu88.html |
| 10:36.38 | Heinervdm | qknight: /dev/mmcblk0p1 did't exists? |
| 10:37.11 | Heinervdm | s3cmci is loaded at my phone but thats the sdio chip i think |
| 10:39.08 | anttna_ | Hi guys, does anyone have any accuracy issues with tangoGPS on SHR? I recently was at -6m altitude on a road, also my traces can be a fair way off those on OSM when editing in JOSM |
| 10:39.39 | Wonka | anttna_: that's not a tangoGPS problem. that's what happens with GPS all the time. |
| 10:40.18 | Wonka | anttna_: but your FR on the table, get a fix, and record position for several hours - you'll get a red circle with at least 25m diameter |
| 10:40.27 | Wonka | "put" even |
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| 10:41.11 | anttna_ | Wonka: thanks, that's not reassuring :) |
| 10:41.54 | viq | anttna_: it's not military grade GPS, where they even get the signal digitally signed ;) |
| 10:42.03 | Wonka | for higher precision, you'd need a military receiver |
| 10:42.28 | anttna_ | Cool will there be one in the next phone? |
| 10:42.34 | anttna_ | P |
| 10:42.41 | XorA | next phone, hahahahahahahahah |
| 10:42.43 | Wonka | lol |
| 10:42.45 | viq | anttna_: sure, but it will be available only to the military ;) |
| 10:43.06 | Wonka | the receivers could be able to, but you won't get the key |
| 10:43.36 | Wonka | afaik there are civilian GPS receivers that use the phase of the P-Code to get better resolution |
| 10:43.48 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rdb3d3ccfa4d7 10/ (ChangeLog framework/patterns/loophole.py): |
| 10:43.48 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: patterns: add loophole object to prepare for post-mortem/live interactive debugging |
| 10:43.48 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: next step: hand out references to interesting objects to network interpreter |
| 10:44.05 | anttna_ | So I take it that even a fancy garmin will be no better? I haven't had a chance to compare traces yet |
| 10:44.06 | Wonka | 10 times the chip rate makes 10 times better resolution |
| 10:44.42 | Wonka | anttna_: it might be, if it used some better technology than antaris 4 |
| 10:44.52 | viq | There are also some other tricks - you take the GPS measurment in a well known geographical location, and note the offset - and the offset will be the same for all GPS in a certain (IIRC rather large) area |
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| 10:45.10 | Wonka | viq: differential GPS |
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| 10:45.38 | Wonka | viq: you'd need Internet for that, i think. shortens battery lifetime even more. |
| 10:45.51 | viq | of course |
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| 10:46.47 | anttna_ | well I was moving slowly in traffic when I went -6m altitude, so that makes sense if stationary it gives a 25m circle. |
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| 10:52.50 | alfiejohn | hi guys... got my freerunner today, but the "Settings" application won't open. This was a brand new. Any thoughts? |
| 10:53.35 | lindi- | alfiejohn: the phone was probably shipped with some ancient distro that is not supported anymore :) |
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| 10:55.16 | alfiejohn | cool.. i'll update the distro. thanks |
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| 10:56.41 | lindi- | alfiejohn: prepare for the bugs, I hope you have patience and/or skills to help :) |
| 10:57.42 | alfiejohn | lol. i know what i'm in for... but i'm sick of the lockin from the jesus phone |
| 10:58.26 | lindi- | alfiejohn: you'll want to upgrade the gsm firmware too |
| 10:58.44 | rhaeder | any wifi-radar or wireshark tool available for FR? |
| 10:58.45 | alfiejohn | cool. and all of this is on the wiki? |
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| 10:59.07 | alfiejohn | sorry... i opened the box like 5 minutes ago and want to get started :) |
| 10:59.18 | Heinervdm | rhaeder: wireshark is at opkg.org |
| 10:59.47 | lindi- | rhaeder: wireshark works |
| 10:59.50 | rhaeder | Heinervdm: thx :D |
| 11:00.24 | lindi- | rhaeder: but do you really want to use it on fr? how about just capturing with tcpdump and viewing on pc? |
| 11:00.28 | rhaeder | alfiejohn: go to wiki.openmoko.org and click on Community Portal and search for recent community update. follow that link to the images. good luck with flashing |
| 11:01.05 | rhaeder | lindi: it is just an idea or quick thought |
| 11:01.48 | takeiteasy | hi, my debian system no longer boot with nodm |
| 11:02.01 | takeiteasy | actually it only boots by typing startx at prompt |
| 11:02.25 | takeiteasy | /etc/init.d/fail silently |
| 11:02.35 | takeiteasy | /etc/init.d/nodm start i mean |
| 11:02.49 | alfiejohn | rhaeder++ |
| 11:03.00 | takeiteasy | what the trick please? |
| 11:03.01 | qknight | Heinervdm: so you think that /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not have much to do with the s3cmci |
| 11:03.07 | alfiejohn | thanks guys for your help. |
| 11:03.20 | alfiejohn | cya folks. |
| 11:03.32 | qknight | Heinervdm: but if that module is so imporantnt for / (as your question might imply) why can i unload it then? |
| 11:03.37 | Heinervdm | qknight: it's connected to this chip but there have to be anorther module for it |
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| 11:06.16 | lindi- | takeiteasy: 1) please "sudo strace -o s -s4096 -f /etc/init.d/nodm" and put the file "s" online somewhere |
| 11:06.28 | lindi- | takeiteasy: also consider moving this to #openmoko-debian |
| 11:06.44 | Heinervdm | qknight: don't know why you've problems with it :) normally it should run |
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| 11:06.56 | qknight | Heinervdm: i've done an update |
| 11:07.03 | qknight | Heinervdm: this probably killed it |
| 11:07.21 | Heinervdm | rebootet after the ubdate? |
| 11:07.24 | qknight | still i got other issues, too |
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| 11:07.29 | qknight | Heinervdm: i've rebooted several times |
| 11:07.47 | Heinervdm | shr-testing or unstable? |
| 11:07.58 | qknight | for instance my X seems to have no 'suspend/shutdown' menu when pressing the right button (which is next to the usb plug) |
| 11:08.06 | qknight | Heinervdm: i don't know |
| 11:08.17 | qknight | Heinervdm: i did just an 'opkg upgrade' after a update |
| 11:08.54 | qknight | err |
| 11:08.56 | qknight | now it works |
| 11:08.57 | Heinervdm | shr-unstable is bronken, perhaps testing too, don't know |
| 11:08.59 | qknight | don't ask why |
| 11:09.08 | qknight | i opened the device and replugged the sd card |
| 11:09.10 | qknight | maybe because of that?! |
| 11:10.29 | Heinervdm | perhaps :) |
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| 11:14.12 | qknight | at least it works now again |
| 11:14.14 | qknight | Heinervdm: thanks |
| 11:14.36 | qknight | well (expect the power off menu) |
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| 11:21.08 | takeiteasy | sorry for disconnect |
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| 11:28.04 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r973a972b5603 10/framework/ (frameworkd patterns/loophole.py): inject controller object into loophole; from there we should be able to gather all interesting references |
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| 11:29.16 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * rf7b0ec1d5feb 10/examples/ (4 files in 2 dirs): examples: add ecore and edje example skeletons |
| 11:29.17 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r0442064b5cc8 10/ (6 files in 5 dirs): ecore.vapi: add enough canvas to show a window |
| 11:29.18 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r07ae7827c555 10/ (7 files in 4 dirs): examples: bind more stuff to make edje example application work |
| 11:29.19 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r423b108ce012 10/ (examples/edje/edje.vala vapi/edje.vapi): example: connecting a signal works |
| 11:29.21 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r4f7b5583b53e 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): edje.vapi: add more callbacks |
| 11:29.23 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r451bec04b042 10/ (examples/edje/edje.vala vapi/edje.vapi): edje.vapi: add missing functions |
| 11:29.26 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r39992c3f13a7 10/vapi/evas.vapi: evas.vapi: bind more of evas |
| 11:34.08 | rhaeder | hmmm, the paroli desktop is now a window and when I close it I'm on the enlightenment desktop :) |
| 11:34.45 | mirko-paroli | rhaeder: yeah, sth odd with the profile, but paroli is still running |
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| 11:35.07 | mirko-paroli | the desktop file should be a dbus call and thus reopen paroli |
| 11:36.34 | rhaeder | mirko-paroli: it doesn't show up |
| 11:36.51 | mirko-paroli | can you log into the console via shh? |
| 11:36.52 | mirko-paroli | ssh |
| 11:37.30 | rhaeder | yes, I can |
| 11:37.52 | rhaeder | and how do I kill an oversized window? |
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| 11:38.03 | rhaeder | it is cellhunter :/ |
| 11:38.14 | rhaeder | with "kill <pid>" okaz |
| 11:38.19 | rhaeder | -z+y |
| 11:38.30 | mirko-paroli | oversized? |
| 11:38.45 | rhaeder | it is all over the screen and I cannot move it around |
| 11:38.49 | mirko-paroli | oh |
| 11:38.56 | rhaeder | seems to be "integrated" into the desktop |
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| 11:39.04 | rhaeder | no menu at top |
| 11:39.07 | mirko-paroli | killall celhunter ? |
| 11:39.10 | rhaeder | no border |
| 11:39.12 | rhaeder | ok |
| 11:40.05 | mirko-paroli | dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.tichy.launcher /Launcher org.tichy.Launcher.Launch string:Paroli-Launcher2 |
| 11:40.14 | mirko-paroli | that should reopen the launcher |
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| 11:41.30 | rhaeder | cellhunter has no process |
| 11:41.43 | rhaeder | it is somehow the desktop :( |
| 11:41.44 | mirko-paroli | ps x | grep cellhunter |
| 11:41.59 | rhaeder | ahh :) |
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| 11:43.46 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r78454ef2ea30 10/src/opimd/frameworkd-glib-opimd-contacts.c: |
| 11:43.46 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: opimd: fix ContactQuery.GetMultipleResults |
| 11:43.46 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
| 11:43.47 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * rfbaa066826bf 10/src/opimd/ (2 files): |
| 11:43.47 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: opimd: implement MessageQuery.GetMultipleResults |
| 11:43.49 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
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| 11:44.39 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9fb573a66540 10/framework/patterns/loophole.py: loophole: deal with varying line endings |
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| 11:49.24 | rhaeder | now I know why paroli is an application and not integrated into the desktop... :) |
| 11:49.39 | rhaeder | I have changed the profile to netbook via AUX and PWR buttons |
| 11:53.25 | rhaeder | I changed that rendering thingy from SOFTWARE to XRANDR and these pixels from buffer problems went away |
| 11:54.11 | rhaeder | you know what I mean? these pixels are colored and show up in upper area of the desktop because of buffer problems or so |
| 11:55.11 | devilshawk | hello! anyone from SHR can tell me, which package now provides libecore.so.0 |
| 11:56.09 | rhaeder | devilshawk: I'm not SHR but maye e-wm-lib or e-wm-core may be your candidates |
| 11:56.27 | rhaeder | just a wild guess :) |
| 11:57.15 | devilshawk | hmm.. both packages do not exist, at least in the unstable repo |
| 11:58.32 | rhaeder | or e17-core/lib ? I have om2009 here |
| 12:00.12 | mirko-paroli | devilshawk: I think the package is now called ecore, at least on OM2009 it is |
| 12:00.42 | devilshawk | hmm problem is SHR only provides ecore-dbg and ecore-dev but no ecore only package |
| 12:01.03 | mirko-paroli | does enlightenment run without ecore? |
| 12:02.22 | raster | nup |
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| 12:03.01 | nullix | there is no libecore ? |
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| 12:05.13 | devilshawk | no enligthenment does not run without libecore, which is why it would be nice to have a libecore :) |
| 12:05.22 | mirko-paroli | devilshawk: ah |
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| 12:05.58 | devilshawk | the package names changed from SHR names to OE names in unstable but there seems to be some missing ones |
| 12:06.20 | devilshawk | so any SHR devs around? |
| 12:06.33 | mirko-paroli | try #openmoko-cdevel |
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| 12:08.07 | devilshawk | will do |
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| 12:15.23 | rhaeder | in paroli I/O i have outgoing calls. but I cannot delete them. only the "delete" button disappears |
| 12:15.26 | rhaeder | is this knw |
| 12:15.30 | rhaeder | known? |
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| 12:18.28 | mirko-paroli | rhaeder: after clicking the edit button |
| 12:18.39 | mirko-paroli | all calls are marked for deletion |
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| 12:19.00 | mirko-paroli | once you hit the done button (top right) the once marked with delete will be removed |
| 12:19.14 | rhaeder | they remain :/ |
| 12:19.29 | mirko-paroli | even if the "delete" is still next to them? |
| 12:19.53 | rhaeder | yes |
| 12:19.57 | mirko-paroli | oh |
| 12:19.58 | mirko-paroli | not good |
| 12:20.48 | rhaeder | updates are 15/6 hrs ago |
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| 12:23.42 | rhaeder | never mind |
| 12:23.48 | rhaeder | they passed away |
| 12:23.54 | mirko-paroli | ? |
| 12:24.05 | rhaeder | I missed-interpreted the red "delete" button |
| 12:24.16 | rhaeder | i clicked I/O -> edit -> Done |
| 12:24.26 | rhaeder | then all calls are removed |
| 12:24.40 | mirko-paroli | ah, good, so it does work ? |
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| 12:25.05 | rhaeder | yes |
| 12:25.13 | mirko-paroli | ah k |
| 12:25.27 | rhaeder | clicking again on I/O no calls are listed |
| 12:25.58 | mirko-paroli | nice |
| 12:26.05 | rhaeder | but on bottom screen is a white border. it disappears once you are back in main screen |
| 12:26.19 | mirko-paroli | that is an outline from the elementary.Scroller |
| 12:26.37 | rhaeder | I/O, Msgs and People does have this white border |
| 12:26.43 | rhaeder | ok |
| 12:26.46 | mirko-paroli | yepp, all of them have lists |
| 12:26.48 | mirko-paroli | :) |
| 12:27.00 | mirko-paroli | it'll probably go rather soon though |
| 12:27.05 | mirko-paroli | once I get back on the theme |
| 12:28.19 | rhaeder | when you move the clock to ride side, the alarm appears and on second digit another number is displayed. little bug :) |
| 12:29.21 | rhaeder | pressing AUX does sometimes not change the sound profile default<->silent |
| 12:29.32 | mirko-paroli | hmm |
| 12:29.48 | mirko-paroli | I'll redo the alarm/time setting thingy |
| 12:29.53 | mirko-paroli | that'll go into settings |
| 12:30.16 | rhaeder | k |
| 12:30.26 | mirko-paroli | the aux-button thign is off |
| 12:30.33 | mirko-paroli | s/off/odd |
| 12:31.13 | mirko-paroli | k, be back in a bit |
| 12:31.41 | mirko-paroli | if you find a bug, we have a trac at http://www.paroli-project.org/trac |
| 12:31.42 | mirko-paroli | :) |
| 12:32.35 | rhaeder | ok :) |
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| 12:52.17 | rhaeder | enabling all three colors in enlightment settings causes the color settings window to be dead |
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| 12:53.53 | rhaeder | persistance.py 57 persistance WARNING can't open file : [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/root/.paroli/messages/phone' |
| 12:54.03 | rhaeder | I restartet X |
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| 13:15.40 | mirko-paroli | rhaeder: the error in persistance 57 is no problem |
| 13:15.49 | mirko-paroli | it just means that you have no messages stored on the phone itself |
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| 13:16.11 | rhaeder | i created that missing folder to avoid the warning |
| 13:16.25 | rhaeder | well, I need to learn python to help you :) |
| 13:16.26 | mirko-paroli | an incoming sms would have done the trick :) |
| 13:16.32 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 13:16.34 | mirko-paroli | sounds good :) |
| 13:16.48 | rhaeder | never received one since I lost another cell phone :/ |
| 13:17.00 | mirko-paroli | hmm |
| 13:17.44 | rhaeder | what about auto-creation of missing folders to avoid warning messages in x.log? |
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| 13:18.01 | mirko-paroli | rhaeder: they are created once needed |
| 13:18.10 | rhaeder | k |
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| 13:19.38 | rhaeder | when do you add the media player or other apps from the phone to paroli? |
| 13:19.45 | rhaeder | milestone5 or 6? |
| 13:19.51 | rhaeder | http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/roadmap |
| 13:19.54 | rhaeder | I read here |
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| 13:19.59 | mirko-paroli | ah |
| 13:20.05 | mirko-paroli | that was just a possibility |
| 13:20.10 | mirko-paroli | depends when I get around to it |
| 13:20.15 | mirko-paroli | but probably after om2009 release |
| 13:20.34 | mirko-paroli | until then I'll rely on other progs |
| 13:20.40 | rhaeder | ok |
| 13:20.44 | mirko-paroli | although I would love to do a mail client |
| 13:20.52 | mirko-paroli | none of them are made for small screens etc |
| 13:20.57 | rhaeder | date scheduler |
| 13:21.02 | mirko-paroli | yeah |
| 13:21.09 | mirko-paroli | or a chat client same prob as with mail cleint |
| 13:21.30 | rhaeder | pidgin might be too big to launch on FR? |
| 13:22.19 | max_posedon | pidgin is almost fine |
| 13:22.30 | max_posedon | but require many customization |
| 13:22.40 | rhaeder | lightspeed and singularity would be cool to have on FR :D |
| 13:22.40 | max_posedon | and options dialogs still to big |
| 13:23.00 | rhaeder | they are both python games |
| 13:23.03 | mirko-paroli | max_posedon: yeah I used it a few times |
| 13:23.13 | mirko-paroli | but just not really comfortable |
| 13:23.21 | mirko-paroli | coz it uses several wins etc |
| 13:23.32 | mirko-paroli | it is not horizontal navigation but vertical |
| 13:24.07 | mirko-paroli | i had a short look at telepathy, xmpp via dbus, maybe that is a good basis |
| 13:24.47 | max_posedon | telapathy becomes popular now) |
| 13:25.11 | max_posedon | I looked there with one eye, really easy to use. |
| 13:25.27 | max_posedon | and nice, that it can support all pidgin protocols |
| 13:25.32 | mirko-paroli | yeah |
| 13:25.57 | mirko-paroli | sadly for now i have to focus on paroli main and a jamendo client |
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| 13:29.14 | rhaeder | the paroli clock is some minutes in advance. can I reverse it? |
| 13:29.30 | mirko-paroli | rhaeder: sadly it goes only one way |
| 13:29.32 | rhaeder | and it is very good that you added a "backspace" key to paroli :D |
| 13:29.33 | mirko-paroli | for now |
| 13:29.48 | rhaeder | I missed that very much in om2008.8/9 |
| 13:30.15 | rhaeder | mirko: fast double-tick on screen means reverse |
| 13:30.19 | rhaeder | is that possible? |
| 13:30.36 | mirko-paroli | could be in theory yes |
| 13:30.46 | mirko-paroli | but I thought of moving it into settings |
| 13:30.51 | mirko-paroli | just have a plain time set |
| 13:31.08 | rhaeder | my provider is not displayed in upper right corner |
| 13:31.13 | mirko-paroli | true |
| 13:31.32 | mirko-paroli | should it? |
| 13:31.36 | rhaeder | ok, so this is known? or you need ticket? |
| 13:31.50 | rhaeder | would be better like on every phone it is usual |
| 13:32.32 | mirko-paroli | k, I'll add it to my list as optional display :) |
| 13:32.36 | rhaeder | an "airplane mode" where all antennas (including bluetooth, wifi, gsm, gps) are locked would be nice :) |
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| 13:33.51 | rhaeder | ah, I found a little bug |
| 13:35.20 | rhaeder | the "alarm clock overlay bug" only happens when you are in "time-change-mode", I mean when you change time |
| 13:35.24 | SpeedEvil | rhaeder: GPS does not emit |
| 13:35.50 | rhaeder | SpeedEvil: ok, wasn't aware about this :) |
| 13:35.53 | SpeedEvil | I'd like provider, or cock, as an option. |
| 13:35.55 | SpeedEvil | clock |
| 13:36.09 | SpeedEvil | should try paroli. |
| 13:36.12 | SpeedEvil | Does it work on 01? |
| 13:36.43 | rhaeder | Paroli seems to be python-based |
| 13:37.12 | mirko-paroli | SpeedEvil: angus says it should mostly |
| 13:37.31 | SpeedEvil | rhaeder: if so, that would lead to an obvious airplane mode joke |
| 13:37.46 | rhaeder | ? |
| 13:37.58 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rf0a0e72952b0 10/framework/resource.py: resource.py: get rid of callback factory and rewrite for improved clarity. This does NOT fix #416 though. |
| 13:37.59 | mirko-paroli | SpeedEvil: optional clock? |
| 13:38.35 | SpeedEvil | mirko-paroli: I mean a clock or a operator name |
| 13:38.48 | mirko-paroli | there is a clock on every screen |
| 13:38.52 | SpeedEvil | mirko-paroli: however, I've not actually used it, so there may be a clock, in whihc case please ignoer |
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| 13:38.57 | mirko-paroli | ah |
| 13:38.59 | mirko-paroli | k |
| 13:39.00 | mirko-paroli | :) |
| 13:39.01 | SpeedEvil | sorry :) |
| 13:39.05 | mirko-paroli | the operator as optional might be good |
| 13:39.07 | mirko-paroli | no worries |
| 13:40.48 | rhaeder | heh? the alarm overlay bug is hardly to reproduce :/ |
| 13:42.32 | rhaeder | another strange thing: when the current theme (e.g. paroli) has turned the screen medium dark brightness, and you restart X, the console and enlightenment are both the same brightness |
| 13:45.19 | mirko-paroli | the dimming is handled by the framework and is an x setting, I assume they set the variables, so if you then stop the X-server, the display settings remain |
| 13:46.22 | rhaeder | yes, that what happens here |
| 13:46.38 | rhaeder | should that be reported to OM? |
| 13:46.45 | mirko-paroli | i believe that is technically not a bug |
| 13:47.08 | mirko-paroli | you could try on you desktop and see if the same thing happens |
| 13:47.12 | mirko-paroli | I would guess it does |
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| 13:54.51 | rhaeder | http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/135 |
| 13:54.58 | rhaeder | this would be nice :) |
| 13:58.03 | mirko-paroli | in peopel? |
| 13:58.06 | mirko-paroli | people? |
| 13:58.16 | mirko-paroli | can you slide the person's entry to the right? |
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| 13:59.06 | rhaeder | where must i tick and slide? |
| 13:59.50 | rhaeder | so maybe I cant |
| 14:05.21 | mirko-paroli | in the people list |
| 14:05.35 | mirko-paroli | you should be able to drag the indiv entry to the right |
| 14:05.48 | mirko-paroli | you have to drag more than 50% to the right |
| 14:05.55 | mirko-paroli | it is not real draggin iirc |
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| 14:09.34 | rhaeder | I would prefer clicking :) |
| 14:09.43 | rhaeder | like in the qtopia suite |
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| 14:11.31 | rhaeder | the virtual keyboard is not disappearing, another bug |
| 14:12.32 | rhaeder | and overlong messages which become spilitted into two are displayed as two individual messages |
| 14:12.40 | rhaeder | you need tickets for these? |
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| 14:22.08 | rhaeder | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset <-- here it is said that a 3.5>2.5 converter may work. Did someone test a HAMA model before? I don't like that the soundchip take damage because of short circuits |
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| 14:28.16 | rhaeder | I mean this product: http://www.hama.de/portal/articleId*23612/action*2563;jsessionid=E9454D8F5221980A524D6544D04BF536.tomcat_de_lin34 |
| 14:28.22 | rhaeder | (German page) |
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| 14:28.53 | rhaeder | opps, mono |
| 14:28.55 | rhaeder | no, wrong |
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| 14:30.56 | rhaeder | http://www.hama.de/bilder/00043/abb/00043377abb.jpg <-- why must here be a cable? :( |
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| 14:35.10 | rhaeder | this is circuit layer: http://www.hama.de/bilder/00043/sch/00043377sch.jpg |
| 14:35.25 | rhaeder | picture, OMG ;) |
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| 14:44.13 | nullix | for what i see in that adapter it won't work. |
| 14:44.52 | nullix | it might be an adpater for iphone or something like that |
| 14:46.26 | rhaeder | mirko-paroli: http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/136 <-- added all my ideas which I have so far |
| 14:47.01 | rhaeder | i think it is a generic 3-pol on both sides :/ |
| 14:47.11 | rhaeder | nullix: ^ |
| 14:49.01 | nullix | for me 2.5 jack should have four rings |
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| 14:53.33 | rhaeder | jupp |
| 14:53.41 | rhaeder | ok, need to go. they close in some minutes |
| 14:53.50 | rhaeder | cya all! :D |
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| 15:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | (stongo) |
| 15:53.10 | SpeedEvil | Algorithms are fun. http://similar-images.googlelabs.com/images?q=jenna+haze&qtype=similar&tbnid=JY4dr-qmlghFjM&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djenna%2Bhaze%26hl%3Den&tprev=/images%3Fq%3Djenna%2Bhaze%26hl%3Den (randomly found, completely off-topic - mostly worksafe) |
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| 16:48.37 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r3d97e5f3a85a 10/framework/patterns/dbuscache.py: patterns: add a dbus cache for object connections |
| 16:48.38 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9c31977a2185 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/ (action.py fso_actions.py leds_actions.py oevents.py): oeventsd: use dbus cache and misc. cleanups |
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| 17:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 17:15.04 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: thought you were shanghaid by OM's recuiting folks last night? ;-) |
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| 17:28.34 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: opimd: fix MessageQuery interface to use proxy instead of query path |
| 17:28.34 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
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| 17:43.40 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Handle the case where AT+CLIR? only returns OK |
| 17:43.40 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: o.f.GSM.Network.GetCallingIdentification now returns "unknown". |
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| 18:27.55 | alephnull | With paroli, I have settings set to true, but the AUX button has no effect. |
| 18:28.14 | mirko-paroli | alephnull: do you press it or hold it? |
| 18:28.48 | alephnull | Either. I can see the press and hold events in logread. |
| 18:29.03 | mirko-paroli | and no reaction what so ever? |
| 18:29.15 | mirko-paroli | can you put the whole paroli.log into a pastebin? |
| 18:29.41 | alephnull | Nope. No reaction. |
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| 18:33.05 | alephnull | mirko-paroli: http://pastebin.ca/1413505 |
| 18:33.08 | alephnull | HTH. |
| 18:35.27 | mirko-paroli | alephnull: the profile changing works |
| 18:35.48 | gustavold | Is there a way to get older packages from the repository? I upgraded some packages using the shr-testing repo and it broke enlightenment |
| 18:35.49 | mirko-paroli | I just assume you restarted paroli after changing the settings option |
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| 18:37.30 | mirko-paroli | alephnull: or let me put it this way, the log says the profile switch works, but no mention of settings, so my guess it hasn't parsed the new cfg |
| 18:37.49 | alephnull | mirko-paroli: I rebooted the phone. |
| 18:38.01 | mirko-paroli | friday's testing image? |
| 18:38.15 | alephnull | mirko-paroli: May 1, yes. |
| 18:38.32 | alephnull | mirko-paroli: How do I get it to parse the new cfg ? |
| 18:38.37 | alephnull | reboot ? |
| 18:38.42 | mirko-paroli | yepp |
| 18:38.58 | mirko-paroli | hmm |
| 18:38.58 | mirko-paroli | odd |
| 18:39.16 | mirko-paroli | you don't run paroli from source, right? |
| 18:39.20 | alephnull | Nope. |
| 18:39.23 | mirko-paroli | hmm |
| 18:39.46 | alephnull | I just flashed the May 1 image. |
| 18:40.53 | mirko-paroli | alephnull: can you still open apps ? |
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| 18:41.48 | alephnull | mirko-paroli: No. But I just rebooted ... |
| 18:42.00 | mirko-paroli | ah so those didn't respond either? |
| 18:42.16 | alephnull | No, I/O, People, etc. |
| 18:42.21 | mirko-paroli | ah |
| 18:42.32 | mirko-paroli | then the callbacks weren't regenerated |
| 18:42.34 | mirko-paroli | hmm |
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| 18:43.02 | mirko-paroli | do you mind if I copy your log into my trac ( I will blank out numbers and messages) |
| 18:43.13 | mirko-paroli | it means some callback didn't work |
| 18:43.24 | alephnull | mirko-paroli: Sure :) |
| 18:43.27 | mirko-paroli | thx |
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| 18:45.44 | mirko-paroli | alephnull: did you ever close the msg app? |
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| 18:47.25 | alephnull | mirko-paroli: Close via the illume top panel "X" ? Yes. |
| 18:47.30 | mirko-paroli | ah |
| 18:47.36 | mirko-paroli | ah |
| 18:47.37 | mirko-paroli | AH |
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| 18:47.43 | mirko-paroli | that would be it then |
| 18:47.48 | alephnull | Is that a no-no ? |
| 18:47.58 | mirko-paroli | well it is my f***-up |
| 18:48.25 | mirko-paroli | i disconnect the callbacks to the button events when you launch an app |
| 18:48.32 | mirko-paroli | and recreate them once you close it |
| 18:48.42 | mirko-paroli | I guess I don't listen for the X event |
| 18:48.50 | mirko-paroli | superb |
| 18:48.51 | mirko-paroli | th |
| 18:48.53 | mirko-paroli | thx |
| 18:48.55 | mirko-paroli | that was a good one |
| 18:48.55 | alephnull | oh ok |
| 18:49.03 | mirko-paroli | :) |
| 18:49.08 | alephnull | Glad to help. |
| 18:49.12 | mirko-paroli | :) |
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| 18:51.35 | alephnull | Is the settings menu supposed to have everything that is shown on http://www.paroli-project.org/running-paroli/settings/ ? |
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| 18:52.11 | mirko-paroli | alephnull: not all but other stuff |
| 18:52.18 | mirko-paroli | I am still working on bt and gps |
| 18:52.25 | mirko-paroli | but there should be loads of settings |
| 18:52.39 | alephnull | I just have phone, gprs and display. |
| 18:52.45 | mirko-paroli | oh |
| 18:52.55 | mirko-paroli | ah |
| 18:53.06 | mirko-paroli | maybe they didn't make it into the last testing image |
| 18:53.14 | mirko-paroli | I did a lot of them over the weekend |
| 18:53.20 | mirko-paroli | we should have a new testing by the end of this week |
| 18:53.29 | mirko-paroli | if you don't wanna wait there is a new unstable |
| 18:53.34 | mirko-paroli | which is only an hour old :) |
| 18:54.03 | Tanu | wants paroli on debian... :/ |
| 18:54.11 | mirko-paroli | you could probably also do an opkg upgrade ... although I have never tried that |
| 18:54.15 | alephnull | heh. I'll give it a stab. bind-home saves me a bunch of trouble. |
| 18:54.22 | mirko-paroli | Tanu: get me a current elementary and I do what I can :) |
| 18:54.39 | Tanuva | mirko-paroli: e17-git has it :D |
| 18:54.43 | alephnull | opkg upgrade doesn't do anything. Perhaps I should change the feeds to unstable ? |
| 18:54.50 | mirko-paroli | ah yes |
| 18:54.54 | Tanuva | (and I have it on my x86 machine, but am not able to build it for the neo :D) |
| 18:55.30 | mirko-paroli | Tanuva: I have e17 on my laptop here, but I think it is still "too old" |
| 18:55.41 | mirko-paroli | the bindings might be |
| 18:55.43 | mirko-paroli | not sure though |
| 18:56.39 | Tanuva | I build e17-git vom time to time, but as a daily desktop it's not mature enough, yes... Don't know about the internals |
| 18:57.48 | mirko-paroli | Tanuva: I even have hand-crafted bindings here I just noticed ... |
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| 18:58.50 | mirko-paroli | Tanuva: I am still waiting/hoping for a nice chat client plus email client in efl |
| 18:58.55 | Tanuva | mirko-paroli: hu? in addition to the existing python bindings or entirely your own? |
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| 18:59.15 | mirko-paroli | Tanuva: I fiddle around with the elementary bindings every now and again |
| 18:59.20 | mirko-paroli | and test them on the phone |
| 18:59.22 | Tanuva | ah |
| 19:00.45 | Tanuva | mirko-paroli: chat (jabber, irssi is my choice for irc) and email... and a elm port of emphasis would be nice *g* |
| 19:01.25 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 19:03.04 | Tanuva | but what I miss most desperately atm is the missing icon grid on the desktop. I can use most kde4 apps (as if amarok2 would be so good...) - but the desktop sucks if the icons just lie there in unordered bunches... |
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| 19:03.32 | khiraly1 | hi there |
| 19:03.45 | khiraly1 | how big should I partition my 512MB sD card? |
| 19:04.02 | khiraly1 | 12MB(fat), 500MB(ext2) is fine? |
| 19:04.22 | Tanuva | others say 8mb fat is sufficient, too |
| 19:05.40 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * raaed277dec2e 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: again few useful methods - Enable, Disable, SetAsDefault |
| 19:06.00 | khiraly1 | Tanuva: thx |
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| 19:06.29 | Tanuva | khiraly1: you can guess what you need from the kernel image's size - at least one of them must fit :) |
| 19:07.02 | khiraly1 | but to be on the safe side, 8Mb should enough for everything;) |
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| 19:07.18 | Tanuva | yes |
| 19:07.35 | Tanuva | and fat partitions can't be smaller than 8mb anyway afaik... |
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| 19:11.12 | SpeedEvil | holds up a 160K floppy. |
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| 19:12.32 | alephnull | mirko-paroli: Changing the feeds to unstable and upgrading seems to break everything. No GSM registration. No settings, no response. |
| 19:13.02 | mirko-paroli | oh |
| 19:13.07 | alephnull | I'm getting the latest unstable image now. |
| 19:13.23 | mirko-paroli | can you open a ticket on om trac and assign it to angus/nytowl ? |
| 19:13.33 | alephnull | Sure. |
| 19:13.36 | mirko-paroli | thx |
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| 19:14.38 | mirko-paroli | alephnull: btw I am working on that window issue found out I needed it as well, so it got highest prio ;) |
| 19:15.36 | alephnull | feels useful :) |
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| 19:15.45 | mirko-paroli | yes, please do :) |
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| 19:23.01 | khiraly1 | hmm, my freerunner consumes 189mA -201mA when idle. |
| 19:23.24 | Zorkman_ | mine too |
| 19:23.31 | khiraly1 | Is it normal? Im wondering because this shr testing distribution didnt last 10hours today |
| 19:23.53 | Zorkman_ | it's normal that it doesn't last 10 hours withouth suspending |
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| 19:24.18 | khiraly1 | I left my home fully charged, and at 5pm it was fully out of battery |
| 19:24.41 | khiraly1 | Zorkman_: I suspended allways. I used a bit (phoned some people, and suspended right after) |
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| 19:24.58 | Zorkman_ | then it should last a lot longer |
| 19:25.05 | Zorkman_ | 1.5 days at least i think |
| 19:25.52 | khiraly1 | you mean 36hours? |
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| 19:28.22 | khiraly1 | is there an irc chatlog somewhere? |
| 19:28.54 | khiraly1 | I asked some question yesterday, and got answered. But I rebooted my machine, and dont have a history |
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| 19:33.18 | alephnull | mirko-paroli: I can't create a ticket. "TICKET_CREATE privileges are required to perform this operation" |
| 19:33.32 | mirko-paroli | hu? |
| 19:34.45 | alephnull | mirko-paroli: I just registered. Is there a minimum period before I can create tickets ? |
| 19:35.04 | mirko-paroli | alephnull: I actually thought that would work right away |
| 19:35.11 | mirko-paroli | just asked the distro guy |
| 19:35.21 | mirko-paroli | he knows about the upgrade props |
| 19:35.29 | mirko-paroli | however I think it should work ... |
| 19:35.30 | mirko-paroli | hmm |
| 19:35.57 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r8d528f66b765 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: implement GetBackends() |
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| 19:49.46 | khiraly1 | hmm |
| 19:50.08 | khiraly1 | what are the modules-2.6.28-stable....tgz file? |
| 19:50.12 | khiraly1 | what for? |
| 19:50.33 | mjr | modules to go with a particular kernel image |
| 19:50.42 | mjr | for untarring to the root filesystem |
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| 19:54.31 | fale | I'm looking for some QtEI devs... anyone in the chan? |
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| 20:04.01 | khiraly1 | hmm. tar does not support -z flag on openmoko |
| 20:04.07 | khiraly1 | (shr testing) |
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| 20:05.14 | khiraly1 | wtf. cron process consumes 45% cpu |
| 20:05.40 | khiraly1 | cron is not some command scheduling utility. Like I want to run this file at 6pm |
| 20:06.26 | khiraly1 | ? |
| 20:06.32 | b0ef | is this fat finger shell available on in shr repo? |
| 20:07.11 | wurp2|gone | khiraly1: It's the busybox tar; it doesn't support much :-( |
| 20:07.25 | wurp2|working | You can install 'real' tar |
| 20:07.39 | khiraly1 | no problem. I use two command gunzip and tar |
| 20:07.54 | wurp2|working | Yeah, but xzf is so convenient :-) |
| 20:08.13 | wurp2|working | I have no idea why cron would take up 45% cpu. That's crazy. |
| 20:08.20 | khiraly1 | but neo freerunner is slow as hell. gunzipping a 80MB .tar.gz takes so much time ... |
| 20:08.37 | max_posedon | khiraly1, freerunner fast enough |
| 20:08.39 | max_posedon | disk slow |
| 20:08.46 | khiraly1 | but copying over usb takes aprox 4. min too |
| 20:08.48 | max_posedon | so, better gunzip to pipe to tar |
| 20:08.55 | wurp2|working | I would think even on FR the disk access would be by far the biggest time consumer |
| 20:09.33 | khiraly1 | so I can safely kill -9 the cron process?;) |
| 20:09.59 | max_posedon | you can even kill -9 -1 |
| 20:10.01 | max_posedon | ) |
| 20:10.52 | wurp2|working | khiraly1: Well, you can if you don't care about the things cron is doing ;) |
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| 20:11.54 | max_posedon | cron can do anything important on neo, since he can't wake up neo |
| 20:11.58 | khiraly1 | there cant be things which takes 45% of cpu |
| 20:12.07 | khiraly1 | but I wait till gunzip finishes |
| 20:16.32 | SpeedEvil | the cpu essentially is blocked writuing to disk |
| 20:17.01 | SpeedEvil | it has to move all the byte manually |
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| 20:27.02 | mirko-paroli | alephnull: I fixed it |
| 20:27.07 | mirko-paroli | X will end apps now |
| 20:27.19 | mirko-paroli | so the callbacks should work again after you close it using the illume topshelf |
| 20:27.26 | alephnull | Thats was quick :) |
| 20:27.34 | khiraly1 | (22.07.26) wurp2|working: You can install 'real' tar <-- what is the name? |
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| 20:27.59 | mirko-paroli | alephnull: sometimes things just work out ;) |
| 20:28.14 | mirko-paroli | it was due anyhow, so thx again for pointing it out |
| 20:28.16 | mirko-paroli | :) |
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| 20:28.42 | khiraly1 | wurp2|working: gunzip ~/distro/*gz | tar -xvf - |
| 20:28.52 | khiraly1 | time to google a bit |
| 20:28.57 | jonquark | Is libelementary0 available as an opkg for SHR-testing somewhere? |
| 20:30.06 | khiraly1 | gunzip < ~/distro/*gz | tar -xvf - |
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| 20:31.00 | wurp2|working | khiraly1: Yeah, that second one looks as if it would work |
| 20:31.01 | wurp2|working | not the first |
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| 20:32.23 | khiraly1 | /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /mnt/moko type ext2 (rw,errors=continue) |
| 20:32.30 | khiraly1 | does it support "dev" parameter? |
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| 20:36.22 | jonquark | Ignore my question - I'm being affected by the recently e libs rename in shr testing/unstable |
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| 20:46.50 | khiraly1 | if I downloaded http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.tar.gz |
| 20:46.58 | khiraly1 | all I need is to unzip to sD? |
| 20:47.12 | khiraly1 | because in the wiki says I need to copy the uImage file too |
| 20:47.20 | khiraly1 | but the .tar.gz already contains it |
| 20:48.48 | khiraly1 | should I rename uImage to uImage-gta02.bin? |
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| 20:52.04 | khiraly1 | hmm |
| 20:52.14 | khiraly1 | it does not work.:( |
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| 20:52.58 | khiraly1 | I uncompressed everything on the second partition of the sD, and renamed uImage to uImage-gta02.bin |
| 20:53.10 | khiraly1 | but it boots from NAND |
| 20:53.33 | khiraly1 | and Im not sure if Qi is successfully executed at startup |
| 20:56.13 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: have you read the Qi wiki page? |
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| 20:56.46 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: yepp, but Im not sure if I grok it fully |
| 20:56.51 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: how do you boot? What do you feel (how many vibes) and see on boot? |
| 20:57.09 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: what do you have on the first uSD partition? |
| 20:57.27 | khiraly1 | just press the power button and a short vibration is on. And after some kernel message like g_ether ...something |
| 20:58.08 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: your filename is wrong btw |
| 20:58.15 | khiraly1 | my uSD is partitioned as: mmcblk0p1: 10MB fat, mmcblk0p2: 500MB ext2 |
| 20:58.44 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: should be /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin (pay attention to caps) |
| 20:59.25 | khiraly1 | ok. I'll retry |
| 20:59.58 | khiraly1 | do I need to replace uImage with the .bin file which can be downloaded from testing repo? |
| 21:00.38 | khiraly1 | so it is enough to uncompress fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.tar.gz to the second uSD partition, and rename the uImage files, and that's it? |
| 21:01.11 | khiraly1 | ok. it is printed: |
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| 21:01.39 | khiraly1 | [ 0.000] Uknown boot option 'g_ether_host_addr=00:1F....' ignoring |
| 21:01.45 | khiraly1 | (repeated 3 times) |
| 21:01.55 | khiraly1 | Please wait: booting... |
| 21:02.13 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: that's ok |
| 21:02.32 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: i guess you now have kernel booting from SD, don't you? |
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| 21:03.23 | mirko-paroli | night everyone |
| 21:03.32 | khiraly1 | So it is like this: when the power button pressed, the bootloader start from NAND (Qi in my case, as I reflashed). If I press and hold AUX first and press the power button, it starts the bootloader from NOR (which is u-boot by factory) |
| 21:03.51 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: night :) |
| 21:03.55 | mirko-paroli | :) |
| 21:04.12 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: did you see the call for paroli on debian earlier ;) |
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| 21:04.15 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: How can I verify it is booting from sD? |
| 21:04.19 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: yes. But then bootloader can load different kernels from different locations |
| 21:04.23 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: yeah, saw that :) |
| 21:04.36 | khiraly1 | (apart from waiting and see) |
| 21:04.47 | mirko-paroli | n8 |
| 21:04.50 | mirko-paroli | :) :) :) |
| 21:05.00 | khiraly1 | but for SD do I need uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.bin ? |
| 21:05.12 | khiraly1 | or what is inside the tar.gz is fine? |
| 21:05.23 | khiraly1 | because the md5sums does not much |
| 21:05.30 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: probably by counting vibes, but that's not reliable enough when many partitions are present. |
| 21:05.44 | khiraly1 | I have only two partitions |
| 21:06.05 | khiraly1 | (the wiki wasnt clear enough, so I created one fat and one ext2. As recommended) |
| 21:06.07 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: i'm not familiar enough with OM2009 images, have no idea what kernel do they have by default. |
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| 21:06.32 | khiraly1 | would be nice to have a README at least;) |
| 21:06.37 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: i see no reason to have fat at all (except booting with old/NOR u-boot) |
| 21:06.53 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: Qi has a README, should be mentioned on the wikipage. |
| 21:07.11 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: yepp, I concluded the same. Qi does not requires it, and I already flashed Qi with dfu-util |
| 21:07.25 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: fat partitions are silently skipped iirc, so if you feel one vibe, you're booting from NAND, if you don't feel any vibes -- from SD. |
| 21:07.38 | khiraly1 | hmm |
| 21:07.57 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: i might be wrong about "silently". |
| 21:08.50 | khiraly1 | This phone just stuck at booting. Just console messages EXT4-fs error (device...). And it stopped here, just the cursor blinks |
| 21:09.35 | khiraly1 | ne led flashing |
| 21:09.44 | khiraly1 | so assuming there is no kernel panic |
| 21:09.52 | khiraly1 | maybe it is booting, just need some patience |
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| 21:11.08 | khiraly1 | hmm. Cant switch off either |
| 21:11.36 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: there was some kernel that incorrectly mounted ext2/ext3 as ext4, failed and never booted. You still can try to wait a bit more. |
| 21:11.59 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: btw, if you will leave the power button pressed, you'll see additional debugging information on the display. |
| 21:12.50 | khiraly1 | nice |
| 21:13.04 | khiraly1 | it is a Qi only feature? (power button pressed) |
| 21:13.06 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: if you leave it pressed at the moment the kernel is starting to boot. |
| 21:13.07 | khiraly1 | because it works |
| 21:13.11 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: yes, Qi only. |
| 21:14.34 | khiraly1 | ok. It prints many messages. But it stuck at ADDACONF(NETDEV_UP): usb0: link is not ready |
| 21:15.00 | khiraly1 | I'll try to ssh in |
| 21:15.45 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: userspace takes considerable time to fully boot on OM2009. |
| 21:15.58 | khiraly1 | and no message at all? |
| 21:16.06 | khiraly1 | hmm. Cant ping the freerunner |
| 21:16.25 | khiraly1 | ok. I'll leave connected overnight. Maybe magic happens;) |
| 21:16.31 | khiraly1 | thank you for your help |
| 21:16.36 | khiraly1 | need to sleep |
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| 21:17.59 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: i too :) |
| 21:18.23 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: you might want to try different kernel versions |
| 21:18.40 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: probably that's the culprit since it seems that Qi itself works as intended. |
| 21:19.43 | PaulFertser | I'm not sure (too sleepy already) but it seems that it will vibrate on skipping a fat partition too. |
| 21:20.01 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r072434b0ac58 10/framework/subsystems/oeventsd/action.py: oeventsd: fix regression introduced by cleanup |
| 21:21.28 | selke | hi guys, is it possible to run fennec shr? |
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| 21:32.28 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r83a50a86bb44 10/vapi/eina.vapi: eina.vapi: replace deprecated # syntax with owned keyword |
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| 21:39.31 | jonquark | selke: I don't think so. Earlier betas were made to run but they were unusably slow |
| 21:40.13 | jonquark | selke: Hopefully someone will port Hackable:1's Woosh! browser to SHR - I've heard good things about it but not used it yet |
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| 21:48.29 | Zorkman_ | jonquark: indeed, i've seen a video of woosh! it seems rather nice$ |
| 21:48.34 | Zorkman_ | and fast |
| 21:49.00 | jonquark | mo |
| 21:49.19 | jonquark | midori sucks as a phone browser |
| 21:50.44 | Zorkman_ | dillo is fast, but very limited |
| 21:51.01 | Zorkman_ | ewww seems promissing, but far from "ready" |
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