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| 02:07.52 | linuxxr | a may testing shr |
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| 02:11.55 | linuxxr | Installing kernel-2.6.29-rc2 (2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2) to root |
| 02:12.06 | linuxxr | what does that mean |
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| 02:52.50 | linuxxr | i get no sound on bay 3 shr testing |
| 02:52.57 | linuxxr | may 3 |
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| 03:30.36 | gustavold | is there any graphical package manager ? |
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| 04:50.13 | MadTBone | What's the status of opimd? Will we see anything soon? |
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| 05:02.14 | CdK1 | ji * |
| 05:02.44 | CdK1 | the cellphone OpenMoko neo... can it have a cam? |
| 05:03.13 | CdK1 | can i plug a cam to it |
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| 07:15.15 | rhaeder | morning. just received my FreeRunner this weekend. I have updated to 2008.9 and 2008.12 doesn't want to update while flushing kernel |
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| 07:25.47 | methril|work | good morning |
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| 07:31.29 | PaulFertser | rhaeder: OM2008.x is dead for quite some time. |
| 07:31.36 | PaulFertser | rhaeder: why do you think anybody cares? |
| 07:32.38 | rhaeder | I can still install packages with the 2008.9 kernel/rootfs :) |
| 07:33.14 | PaulFertser | rhaeder: what does it prove? |
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| 07:38.06 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: Hey :) BTW, wrt wifi. Do you know about dos1's work on providing a gui to connman? You might want to borrow some of his code/ideas. |
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| 07:43.42 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: wifi is working in paroli, finished it yesterday, it also uses connman |
| 07:43.55 | mirko-paroli | and has a basic, but functional gui :) |
| 07:44.09 | mirko-paroli | you can scan, deactivate wifi and conenct as well as disconnect from netwoks |
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| 07:46.16 | CM_work | mirko-paroli: Talked to some intel guys last week about moblin |
| 07:46.31 | mirko-paroli | CM_work: how bad was it? |
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| 07:46.41 | CM_work | They had no idea connman worked on arm.. They are so into x86 |
| 07:47.15 | CM_work | At least they knew of OpenMoko, but they didn't want to talk about anything that didn't run an x86 core |
| 07:47.32 | mirko-paroli | hehe |
| 07:48.18 | PaulFertser | CM_work: how can CPU architecture make any difference for connman? |
| 07:48.36 | CM_work | PaulFertser: I wonder that too |
| 07:48.38 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: cool, does it support WEP/WPA-PSK already? |
| 07:49.00 | CM_work | They really liked saying "x86 is so much better than ARM because you don't have to port everything" |
| 07:49.00 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: yes, connman is very easy to use that way |
| 07:49.15 | CM_work | I suggested a recompile, but they insisted that it's never that simple.. :-) |
| 07:49.31 | PaulFertser | CM_work: so, are you saying that some intel guys (developers?) said they don't care about cross-platform compatibility at all? |
| 07:49.33 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: and to be fair I did get inspiration from Dos' work |
| 07:49.46 | mirko-paroli | just not the gui bit :) |
| 07:50.19 | CM_work | PaulFertser: No, this was mostly marketing people, working with moblin. Or at least trying to get companies to try it |
| 07:50.39 | PaulFertser | CM_work: how can x86 be any better than ARM for mobile targets? Are they, like, insane? |
| 07:50.59 | CM_work | But it really sounded like they had no intention at all in helping people to get things running on anything but Atom-cpus |
| 07:51.17 | PaulFertser | Assholes. |
| 07:51.37 | CM_work | They didn't like it when I compared the wattage of some ARM socs and their Atom stuff |
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| 07:51.49 | CM_work | It's an order of magnitude between them |
| 07:52.04 | CM_work | But they insisted that arm wasn't powerful enough.. Pfftt. |
| 07:52.12 | PaulFertser | Either they're are stupid or they're fucking liers. I guess both. |
| 07:52.34 | CM_work | They liked talking about "the new platform comming soon" that would be really great |
| 07:52.35 | vininim | Does it run crysis? |
| 07:52.37 | CM_work | We'll see.. |
| 07:53.08 | CM_work | I wouldn't mind having an arm-based netbook with really good battery life :-) |
| 07:53.59 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: are you going to add some interface for certificates-based WPA access? Or do you think users who need that are smart enough to manage wpa_supplicant.conf themselves? And btw, how does connman fit into a regular "vi is the ultimate configuration tool" paradigm? |
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| 07:56.34 | PaulFertser | I mean, can connman co-exist sanely with a hand-crafted configuration or not? |
| 07:58.03 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: many questions ;) I would assume who wants the cert stuff will figure that one out |
| 07:58.15 | mirko-paroli | I do not follow the paradigm ;) |
| 07:58.24 | mirko-paroli | and about the co-existing I do not know |
| 07:58.54 | mirko-paroli | I am not that much into wifi actually, so i would much rather hand over the wifi part of the paroli-settings to someone who knows that stuff |
| 07:59.04 | mirko-paroli | and then does good things with it :) |
| 07:59.13 | mirko-paroli | for now it is only very simple connect and such |
| 07:59.24 | mirko-paroli | good enough for walking around a city and using open networks |
| 07:59.30 | mirko-paroli | to download mail and such |
| 07:59.46 | mirko-paroli | no power-user interface :) |
| 08:00.20 | PaulFertser | Well, it's still nice it works for most use-cases. :) |
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| 08:00.35 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: I hope so :) |
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| 08:04.00 | nullix | hi all |
| 08:04.33 | nullix | i borke my aux button, my freerunner fall on the floor badly. |
| 08:05.06 | nullix | now i wonder how i will fix that, i am not very good at soldering things |
| 08:05.32 | nullix | and i have to find a replacement button since i borke it too by trying to fix it. |
| 08:05.44 | nullix | s/borke/broke/ ( stupid fingers ) |
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| 08:09.18 | mirko-paroli | sry had a little prob with my optical input device |
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| 08:11.34 | spaetz | DocScrutinizer: with Regard to the Mokomaze ipkg, that doesn't help me getting it into the SR repo |
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| 08:11.57 | spaetz | I need to adapt the ttf fontdir (which seems different from debian's) |
| 08:12.25 | spaetz | and passing "make FONTDIR=/blah" works on my ubuntu build env, but fails in OE/bitbake |
| 08:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | maybe. anyway did the trick for me on SHR |
| 08:13.20 | spaetz | there are no .bb recipes for those ipkg by any chance? |
| 08:13.20 | DocScrutinizer | (the three opkg installs) |
| 08:14.56 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 10:14.48 | gaudenz | I have a problem upgrading current shr-testing because some packages are renamed (eg. libeina0 -> eina). |
| 10:15.09 | gaudenz | How do I convince opkg that it should remove libeina0 and install eina? |
| 10:15.39 | gaudenz | It just complains that eina wants to install a file that is also in libeina0 |
| 10:19.36 | alephnull | gaudenz: Use a daily rootfs image. |
| 10:19.55 | alephnull | shr-testing was broken last week. |
| 10:20.06 | ndnihil | it's broken this week too |
| 10:20.33 | ndnihil | just flashed it an hour or so ago |
| 10:20.41 | ndnihil | keep getting module load failure on boot |
| 10:20.57 | ndnihil | and the gprs settings still arent persistent |
| 10:21.10 | alephnull | I used Friday's image for shr-unstable and things are better. |
| 10:21.29 | alephnull | GPRS is now persistent. Wifi works, etc. |
| 10:22.02 | ndnihil | the 05/02 image? |
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| 10:22.13 | gaudenz | alephnull, but then I'll loose all my configuration. Is there no way to upgrade? |
| 10:23.04 | ndnihil | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ |
| 10:23.08 | ndnihil | that's what I just flashed |
| 10:23.25 | alephnull | gaudenz: You can copy all your stuff to the SD card in a directory bind-home and that will be bind mounted as your home directory. |
| 10:24.05 | alephnull | ndnihil: I used http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/ |
| 10:24.21 | ndnihil | ah |
| 10:24.22 | alephnull | ndnihil: The phone doesn't suspend automatically though. Keeps waking up. |
| 10:24.48 | ndnihil | no persistent settings, and the power button is broken |
| 10:25.03 | ndnihil | brings up a thin line in the middle of the screen and freezes there |
| 10:27.06 | alephnull | ndnihil: Try the new om2009 testing image :) |
| 10:27.13 | ndnihil | I did |
| 10:27.15 | ndnihil | it's nice and quick |
| 10:28.03 | ndnihil | I tried the paroli version |
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| 10:28.37 | gaudenz | alephnull, Yes I know that I can save my stuff somewhere and restore it after flashing the new image. But I'd like to know if there is no procedure to replace one package (or set of packages) with another with opkg if after the operation all dependencies are fullfilled again. |
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| 10:29.03 | alephnull | gaudenz: If you do find a way, do post it on the wiki. |
| 10:30.01 | ndnihil | I wonder what todays shr-unstable looks like |
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| 10:42.42 | lambda | hi do you really think debian is usable on gta02 |
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| 10:43.37 | lambda | or is it only the desperate attempt to legitimate the extreme portability of the dstro? |
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| 10:44.27 | dos1 | lambda: why it would be not usable? |
| 10:44.30 | dos1 | it's only distro |
| 10:45.09 | lambda | it's maybe not *optimised* ? |
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| 10:46.44 | PaulFertser | lambda: i use Debian for several months now, on my only cellphone. Never tried anything else though ;) |
| 10:47.08 | lambda | ok, i , glad to hear that |
| 10:47.20 | mirko-paroli | ah PaulFertser good that you mention it, you asked me about porting paroli to debian |
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| 10:47.54 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: I asked at the ml you once gave me, but never received an answer, got a route to paroli on debian? |
| 10:48.12 | lambda | which terminal do you use PaulFertser ? do you happen to use an on-screen keyboard ? which one please? |
| 10:48.21 | PaulFertser | mirko-paroli: yeah, that was me. But i understand that it can be too involving because you need to use almost latest E stuff and Debian is too conservative for that. |
| 10:48.42 | mirko-paroli | PaulFertser: ah ok, sad to hear though |
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| 10:49.37 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 10:49.45 | PaulFertser | lambda: i used xterm, matchbox-keyboard, illume keyboard, some people like xvkdb much. |
| 10:50.30 | lambda | ok |
| 10:50.33 | lindi- | xvkbd here |
| 10:52.11 | PaulFertser | lindi-: do you by any chance have an idea if debian users are interested in paroli? |
| 10:53.49 | lindi- | PaulFertser: not sure, i prefer something dead-simple that works right now |
| 10:54.20 | PaulFertser | lindi-: are you a typical debian-on-freerunner user? ;) |
| 10:54.38 | lindi- | PaulFertser: hard to say. i think most people want reliable calls :) |
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| 10:56.37 | lambda | do you think it is acceptable to use debian-on-freerunner without the Xglamo driver ? in a way to save battery ? |
| 10:56.53 | lindi- | lambda: use xf86-video-glamo |
| 10:57.00 | XorA | save battery? |
| 10:57.02 | dos1 | save battery? |
| 10:57.04 | dos1 | lolwut |
| 10:57.24 | lambda | ok lindi- |
| 10:57.24 | dos1 | using Xglamo saves battery :P |
| 10:57.39 | dos1 | s/Xglamo/xf86-video-glamo/ |
| 10:57.48 | dos1 | cause Xglamo is deprecated ;p |
| 10:57.56 | XorA | xf86-video-glamo unfortuneately still has rendering errors :-( |
| 10:58.31 | lindi- | XorA: really? |
| 10:58.36 | XorA | lindi-: yes |
| 10:58.52 | lindi- | XorA: 451398a21 is ok, latest has rendering errors |
| 10:59.06 | XorA | lindi-: ah regressions then |
| 10:59.09 | lindi- | jep |
| 10:59.15 | lindi- | XorA: latest is also 50% faster in x11perf :) |
| 10:59.23 | XorA | awesome |
| 10:59.28 | lindi- | XorA: larsc is working on figuring hw where the rendering errors come from |
| 10:59.41 | XorA | who woulda thought someone would turn that crappy code of mine into something sane |
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| 11:11.11 | ndnihil | well, answers that |
| 11:11.20 | ndnihil | todays shr-unstable is borked |
| 11:11.34 | dos1 | as supposed |
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| 11:14.54 | Kronk | Is yesterdays Testing SHR Image any good ? Anyone tried it ? |
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| 11:21.45 | ndnihil | Kronk: power button doesnt work (thin line freezes on screen), settings aren't persistent, etc.. |
| 11:22.22 | Wonka | Collected errors: |
| 11:22.22 | Wonka | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.25 | Wonka | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.29 | Wonka | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.32 | Wonka | WTF? |
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| 11:26.07 | dos1 | Kronk: settings aren't persistent? |
| 11:26.10 | Wonka | ah, /var/volatile full. 59MB x.log. *hate* |
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| 11:29.43 | rhaeder | Wonka: download it to your host, bzip2 it and keep it for debug purposes. then remove it from your neo and add a cleanup script to your /etc/init.d/ directory |
| 11:29.52 | rhaeder | my idea for this "bug" |
| 11:30.03 | rhaeder | I think too insensive debug messages... |
| 11:30.53 | Wonka | /var/volatile/log is a tmpfs, so it's empty on every boot |
| 11:31.00 | rhaeder | oh |
| 11:31.08 | rhaeder | never mind :) |
| 11:31.11 | Wonka | the FR is up for 4 days now |
| 11:31.15 | rhaeder | but this needs to be fixed, somehow |
| 11:31.30 | Wonka | and there's just 59MB of logs accumulated in that time |
| 11:31.33 | Wonka | ack |
| 11:31.44 | rhaeder | kinda a lot |
| 11:31.47 | lindi- | i just use logrotate |
| 11:32.01 | rhaeder | lindi: is it a opkg ? |
| 11:32.06 | lindi- | no idea |
| 11:32.14 | lindi- | bug logrotate has been a standard tool for ages |
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| 11:32.20 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.29 | rhaeder | :) |
| 11:33.58 | rhaeder | logger logging login logname logread logsave <-- this is what I have on my FR |
| 11:34.18 | Wonka | lindi-: won't help unless the fd is closed by X |
| 11:34.20 | rhaeder | I entered log and pressed TAB twice |
| 11:34.36 | Wonka | lindi-: i rm-ed the 59MB logfile, but the space was not released until i stopped X |
| 11:35.10 | rhaeder | then the FR maybe has an exclusive lock on that logfile :/ my guess |
| 11:35.26 | Wonka | because the fd is kept open by X, and as long as it is open, you can unlink it as long as you want, the inode will stay |
| 11:35.30 | Wonka | and with it all data |
| 11:35.40 | lindi- | Wonka: what's in the log? |
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| 11:35.59 | Wonka | no idea, i rm-ed it and restarted X in the meantime |
| 11:36.10 | lindi- | Wonka: please read it next time .) |
| 11:36.38 | Wonka | lindi-: will do. but i presume there will be much crap... |
| 11:37.57 | lindi- | Wonka: which X driver are you using? |
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| 11:39.00 | Wonka | lindi-: this is SHR... the default there |
| 11:39.01 | Kronk | Out of interest is anyone on here in the UK @ all. Just wondering on a recommendation for best provider to use freerunner on with GPRS included in plan ? |
| 11:39.20 | lindi- | Wonka: I have no idea what that uses |
| 11:40.00 | Wonka | aargh. |
| 11:40.08 | Wonka | X is off. frameworkd is off. |
| 11:40.09 | XorA | Kronk: im in the UK, I use t-mobile Web n Walk |
| 11:40.22 | Wonka | /var/volatile still 59M used |
| 11:40.34 | Wonka | du -xh /var/volatile shows << 1MB |
| 11:41.00 | Kronk | Pre paid XorA ? |
| 11:41.09 | XorA | Kronk: both |
| 11:41.29 | Wonka | hm, lsof helps. wakerd still has x.log open |
| 11:41.35 | Kronk | I was on their web site trying to get my head around how web and walk works ? Coverage in London and regional ok for T-mobile XorA ? |
| 11:42.23 | XorA | Kronk: HSDPA over most of the contry now |
| 11:42.32 | XorA | Kronk: of course GTA02 is stuck in the slow lane |
| 11:43.03 | XorA | Kronk: I rarely use my GTA02 these days |
| 11:43.11 | Psi_ | someone was saying on the mailing list that they got a 3G usb stick to work on gta02 i think |
| 11:43.44 | XorA | ouch the one of those I used pulls 1A from usb :-) |
| 11:43.45 | SpeedEvil | shouldn't be hard in principle |
| 11:43.46 | Kronk | should be possible |
| 11:43.52 | Psi_ | i was pondering making a 1cm thick backplate on the back of the phone and including 2 extra batteries and a 3g usb modem :) |
| 11:43.54 | SpeedEvil | with external psu |
| 11:43.57 | Kronk | happy to use gprs just to check a little web mail :) |
| 11:44.27 | Kronk | throw a solar panel on as well ;) |
| 11:44.28 | Kronk | lol |
| 11:44.30 | SpeedEvil | Kronk: I'm on t-mobile pay-as-you-go |
| 11:44.32 | Psi_ | heh |
| 11:44.38 | SpeedEvil | Kronk: 1 pound a day cap for GPRS |
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| 11:44.50 | Kronk | how does that work ? If it's prepaid ? |
| 11:44.53 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 11:45.12 | SpeedEvil | you buy - say - 5 pounds of credit, and you can use the internet for 5 days |
| 11:45.21 | Kronk | ah in advance cool |
| 11:45.28 | SpeedEvil | (or make calls to that value, or download 70K/day for 10 days) |
| 11:45.42 | Kronk | ta :) |
| 11:45.42 | SpeedEvil | Or you can buy a 'web pack' for 5 days for 2.50 |
| 11:46.00 | Kronk | what's the diffrence there ? Better value ? |
| 11:46.24 | SpeedEvil | half price |
| 11:46.26 | XorA | if you actually want to use the phone you might find Solo is better value at 20 GBP a month for internet and unlimited texts |
| 11:46.30 | SpeedEvil | if youu use it each of those 5 days |
| 11:46.38 | SpeedEvil | yeah - if you make calls |
| 11:46.51 | Kronk | cool just has to be prepaid not monthly plan only over there for a month or 2 @ most |
| 11:46.52 | SpeedEvil | well - many calls |
| 11:47.02 | Kronk | roaming in the rest of Europe ok as well ? |
| 11:47.14 | SpeedEvil | Kronk: ok - but I'm not sure of data rates |
| 11:47.21 | XorA | yeah you can roam, but you will pay 7.50 a M while doing so |
| 11:47.23 | Kronk | np's |
| 11:47.27 | Kronk | eek |
| 11:47.29 | Kronk | lol |
| 11:47.30 | SpeedEvil | Kronk: recently the max price was capped for voice calls |
| 11:47.36 | Psi_ | here they have a weird casual data plan were its 10c per 10KB up to 200KB then free from 200KB-10MB then quite expensive after that |
| 11:47.50 | Kronk | ? |
| 11:47.52 | Kronk | strange |
| 11:47.59 | Kronk | thanks for the info :) |
| 11:48.17 | SpeedEvil | Kronk: but - for a months access - even the PAYG option is only 6*2.5=18 quid |
| 11:48.31 | XorA | Kronk: of course large chunks of uk have free wifi |
| 11:48.39 | Kronk | sweet :) |
| 11:48.44 | SpeedEvil | well - large chunks may be exagerating |
| 11:48.47 | Kronk | lol |
| 11:48.52 | XorA | Kronk: as long as you like beer free wifi should be no problem |
| 11:48.56 | SpeedEvil | kinda spotty where I am :) |
| 11:49.04 | Kronk | I'm Australian Beer goes without saying ;) |
| 11:49.05 | Kronk | lol |
| 11:49.15 | XorA | SpeedEvil: your in a small chuck we keep trying to remove from mainland :-) |
| 11:49.26 | XorA | Kronk: we have real beer here, you will be amazed :-) |
| 11:49.36 | Kronk | lol |
| 11:49.40 | rhaeder | http://pastebin.ca/1412042 <-- missing Packages.gz as well. are they disontinued? |
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| 12:53.22 | rhaeder | I have a kernel bug in 2.6.24 (2008.9) when it tries to sleep (suspend) |
| 12:53.26 | rhaeder | is this known? |
| 12:54.08 | lindi- | rhaeder: "a bug"? you might want to be more specific |
| 12:54.13 | max_posedon | nobody can answer |
| 12:54.26 | max_posedon | version is very outdated, and nobody support it |
| 12:54.39 | max_posedon | rhaeder, you should flash shr or Om2009beta |
| 12:56.13 | rhaeder | max_posedon: can I update through opkg as well? I installed a lot apps |
| 12:56.30 | XorA | bloody hell someone actually used 2008.9 |
| 12:56.35 | rhaeder | ok, I have saved a custom setup script for installing them so it tooks me only time :) |
| 12:57.07 | max_posedon | rhaeder, you can't |
| 12:57.30 | rhaeder | and how do I revert to older GUIs? I like the one from 2008.8/9 |
| 12:57.36 | rhaeder | but now illume :( |
| 12:58.15 | rhaeder | max_posedon: I check the images out on downloads.openmoko.org :) |
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| 13:01.08 | rhaeder | max_posedon: where is the exact download place? http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/build/ ? |
| 13:02.44 | rhaeder | http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/ ? |
| 13:04.49 | max_posedon | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_30%2C_2009 |
| 13:04.53 | max_posedon | here was link |
| 13:06.12 | rhaeder | thx |
| 13:08.59 | rhaeder | the wiki didn't state the differences between paroli and zhone. |
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| 13:17.47 | rhaeder | oh, never mind. |
| 13:17.53 | rhaeder | my proxy :/ |
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| 13:40.13 | selke | hi guys, i always get an error if i try flashing the kernel with neotool, a popup opens with: "Some error occured while flashing the kernel. Error message: Lost device after RESET? Any other pending flashes will be aborted" and a message inside the console appears "not at least 2 device changes found ?!?" anyone know what's wrong here? |
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| 14:08.00 | alephnull | selke: Try using dfu-util from the command line and see what the error is. |
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| 14:12.42 | selke | okay and where can i find out the correct dfu-util command? |
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| 14:14.36 | XorA | selke: your using a usb hub? |
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| 14:15.52 | selke | XorA, no, and i have also already flashed rootfs and kernel two days ago but today there is a problem with the kernel |
| 14:16.01 | mokel | anyone knows where i can get this keyboard? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a0b7812b479d5cb7c9732db9e84a0a2c.png |
| 14:16.16 | XorA | selke: well command is dfu-util -a kernel -D uImage.bin |
| 14:16.30 | XorA | selke: assuming only one dfu capable device on your usb |
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| 14:18.02 | mirko-paroli | is more curious about the illume theme on the screenshot ... |
| 14:18.03 | selke | XorA, on the other usb-ports are just a keyboard, a mouse and my external data storage |
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| 14:20.54 | selke | well with dfu-util there don't occurs any errors :) |
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| 14:21.55 | selke | alephnull, thanks for the tip |
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| 14:41.11 | skamster | hello all, i had a question about python.. i'm just a beginner, but want to connect to dbus on the moko |
| 14:41.23 | skamster | bus = dbus.SystemBus() |
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| 14:41.36 | skamster | this line doesn't work |
| 14:42.03 | skamster | i had it from a tutorial on freedesktop.org |
| 14:42.28 | skamster | but it seems like the dbus-object hadn't a method systembus? |
| 14:42.39 | skamster | how could i connect to the dbus? |
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| 14:45.14 | skamster | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'SessionBus' |
| 14:45.44 | skamster | bus = dbus.SystemBus() |
| 14:47.10 | skamster | does someone know anything about? |
| 14:49.39 | skamster | no one here? |
| 14:50.13 | dos1 | skamster: what are you importing? |
| 14:50.16 | dos1 | "import dbus"? |
| 14:50.20 | skamster | import dbus |
| 14:50.22 | skamster | yes |
| 14:50.22 | dos1 | "from dbus import SystemBus"? |
| 14:50.24 | dos1 | hmm |
| 14:50.34 | dos1 | try bus = SystemBus() |
| 14:50.35 | wurp2|working | dos1: He shouldn't need that |
| 14:50.45 | dos1 | wurp2|working: i know |
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| 14:51.40 | wurp2|working | skamster: Your error message says "no SessionBus" but the line you wrote here was trying SystemBus |
| 14:51.59 | wurp2|working | Were you trying to access SessionBus? IIRC the dbus on OM doesn't have a session buss |
| 14:52.03 | wurp2|working | -s |
| 14:52.40 | skamster | yes, i could connect with mdbus |
| 14:53.15 | wurp2|working | I'm saying your error message doesn't appear to go with the line of code you copied here |
| 14:53.21 | wurp2|working | Did you make a typo on one? |
| 14:53.51 | skamster | mom |
| 14:53.52 | skamster | http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=1741&key=6a99010e5fff4 |
| 14:54.02 | skamster | this is my example-code |
| 14:54.39 | skamster | ah, yes, i try session-bus |
| 14:54.43 | skamster | but it's the same |
| 14:55.53 | skamster | could be a typo, but it's just the second line and i check it |
| 14:56.02 | skamster | so i don't belive it is a typo |
| 14:56.08 | wurp2|working | So you get an error "no SystemBus" when you try 'bus = dbus.SystemBus()'? |
| 14:56.23 | wurp2|working | Yeah, I was just trying to understand the discrepancy between the line of code & the error message |
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| 14:56.54 | skamster | no |
| 14:56.54 | skamster | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'SystemBus' |
| 14:57.09 | wurp2|working | try "print dir(dbus)" before the line that shows the error |
| 14:57.18 | skamster | ok |
| 14:57.43 | skamster | ['__builtins__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', '__package__', 'dbus'] |
| 14:58.05 | skamster | it's after the import and before bus = |
| 14:58.13 | skamster | (the print) |
| 14:58.38 | wurp2|working | You're getting some crap dbus module |
| 14:58.56 | skamster | damn |
| 14:59.02 | wurp2|working | Which release are you running? |
| 14:59.13 | skamster | then it isn't a fault from me? |
| 14:59.19 | wurp2|working | You don't happen to have a dbus.py* sitting in the directory where you're running this test? |
| 14:59.23 | wurp2|working | Oh, wait |
| 14:59.28 | wurp2|working | You didn't name your test dbus.py, did you? |
| 14:59.31 | skamster | shr-testing, from 3. may |
| 14:59.48 | skamster | ehm, yes |
| 14:59.52 | dos1 | ;D |
| 14:59.52 | wurp2|working | Yeah, don't do that |
| 14:59.58 | skamster | :D |
| 15:00.04 | wurp2|working | :-) |
| 15:00.16 | wurp2|working | I had just that bug a few months ago. It was a bitch to figure out |
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| 15:01.07 | skamster | *g |
| 15:01.21 | skamster | yeah, now it's does something more |
| 15:01.23 | skamster | :)$ |
| 15:01.27 | skamster | thanks a lot |
| 15:01.32 | wurp2|working | yw |
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| 15:04.42 | skamster | ehm, if i could ask one more question.. how must the last variable be? (test) |
| 15:04.52 | skamster | test = gsm.org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessage(1) |
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| 15:04.56 | skamster | like this? |
| 15:05.17 | skamster | (this is the exactly result from mdbus, but dosn't work) |
| 15:06.41 | wurp2|working | skamster: I'm not sure... I would use mdbus to explore for the path to the object |
| 15:06.54 | skamster | this isn't also the right thing test = gsm.RetrieveMessage(1) |
| 15:07.05 | skamster | yes, i does that |
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| 15:07.17 | skamster | and i could retrive a message from dbus |
| 15:07.22 | skamster | eh |
| 15:07.23 | skamster | mdbus |
| 15:07.30 | wurp2|working | Oh |
| 15:07.39 | wurp2|working | Change Device to SIM then your code should work |
| 15:07.56 | wurp2|working | the code you pasted earlier, not the code with the gsm.org.free... |
| 15:08.23 | wurp2|working | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework/mdbus |
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| 15:14.49 | skamster | mmh, doesn't work.. access is denied |
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| 15:15.14 | skamster | and it's had a error name.. strange thing |
| 15:15.35 | wurp2|working | You can view SMSes through the normal program? |
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| 15:16.36 | skamster | no, this is always crashing, but i think, it's another error |
| 15:16.43 | skamster | with mdbus it's possible |
| 15:16.57 | wurp2|working | btw, going afk to a meeting in 15 minutes |
| 15:17.51 | skamster | mmh, i found a example on openmoko.org |
| 15:18.05 | skamster | looks not like mine, maybe it work.. :) |
| 15:18.51 | selke | how long can your openmoko run til the battery is empty? |
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| 15:19.40 | skamster | one - two days |
| 15:19.42 | selke | mine just runs 6 hours... i thought that it could run 2 days or so... |
| 15:19.53 | selke | what's wrong with mine? |
| 15:20.11 | selke | it's just 4 days old |
| 15:20.12 | skamster | which distro you use? |
| 15:20.14 | selke | shr |
| 15:20.20 | skamster | latest version? |
| 15:20.26 | selke | yap shr-testing |
| 15:20.31 | skamster | with suspend? |
| 15:20.39 | skamster | i think, suspend is important |
| 15:21.01 | skamster | without this, 6 hours are a good time :) |
| 15:21.09 | selke | okay |
| 15:21.13 | Zorkman | surely 6 hours is very good |
| 15:21.17 | skamster | (one version doesn't go to suspend) |
| 15:21.55 | selke | if i run tangogps and go to suspend mode, tangogps won't run anymore, will it? |
| 15:22.09 | Zorkman | nope, it won't |
| 15:22.14 | selke | okay |
| 15:22.33 | selke | but everyone can call me and i can also receive sms? |
| 15:22.36 | skamster | yes |
| 15:22.37 | Zorkman | yes |
| 15:22.49 | selke | okay nice |
| 15:22.56 | selke | openmoko is really cool :D |
| 15:23.17 | selke | a bit buggy, but that was clear |
| 15:24.01 | selke | is it possible to make shortcuts with motion gestures? and if, how i create those shortcuts? |
| 15:24.27 | skamster | mmh, someone had this idea |
| 15:24.28 | SpeedEvil | not yet |
| 15:24.44 | skamster | are you in the mailinglist? |
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| 15:24.50 | selke | okay what else can i do with motion gestures? |
| 15:24.56 | skamster | mokomaze |
| 15:24.59 | SpeedEvil | essentially nothing |
| 15:25.05 | SpeedEvil | a game or two |
| 15:25.08 | skamster | you could play games |
| 15:25.10 | selke | yeah i subscribed, but i don't read everything |
| 15:25.19 | selke | okay and also rotate my desk :D |
| 15:25.30 | skamster | http://www.opkg.org/package_121.html |
| 15:25.48 | Zorkman | selke: remoko was also nice, you could also use gestures, but i don't think that is updated for FSO-based distros |
| 15:26.09 | selke | thanks for the link |
| 15:26.13 | skamster | np |
| 15:26.25 | skamster | opkg.org is a good site to explore packages :) |
| 15:26.44 | skamster | (if you don't know it until yet..) |
| 15:26.44 | selke | is there also an api for that gestures in python? |
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| 15:27.16 | selke | c would be also okay |
| 15:27.37 | skamster | i think you could retrive all the gesture-signals over dbus |
| 15:27.41 | skamster | with fso |
| 15:27.45 | selke | okay |
| 15:28.19 | skamster | try mdbus -s to explore that |
| 15:28.20 | skamster | ;) |
| 15:28.52 | selke | okay cool |
| 15:29.25 | selke | hm its really hard to install mokomaze, cause my usb-connection doesn't work (i don't know why) so i must type it on the touchscreen-keyboard^^ |
| 15:29.56 | skamster | do you use linux? |
| 15:30.01 | selke | yeah ubuntu |
| 15:30.07 | selke | the connection also worked fine |
| 15:30.19 | selke | but after i flashed new kernels |
| 15:30.26 | skamster | also the internet-connection? |
| 15:30.35 | selke | yeah over wlan |
| 15:30.36 | skamster | or couldn't you connect to the phone? |
| 15:30.45 | skamster | yeah, but from the pc.. |
| 15:30.54 | selke | i could, but now there is now usb0 device on my pc |
| 15:31.10 | selke | and i don't know how to fix this |
| 15:31.19 | skamster | ah |
| 15:31.22 | skamster | try eth1 |
| 15:31.27 | Zorkman | Selke: it's ethx nox |
| 15:31.27 | skamster | or eth2 |
| 15:31.40 | selke | there is just eth0 and that's my ethernet-connection i think |
| 15:31.44 | dos1 | selke: typing on illume keyboard is hard? |
| 15:31.54 | dos1 | i'm programming in python on train with illume keyboard :P |
| 15:32.06 | skamster | wow :D |
| 15:32.20 | selke | dos1, well its harder as typing on my hardware-keyboard |
| 15:32.26 | dos1 | selke: of course ;) |
| 15:32.35 | selke | (as or than? [english is not my native language :D]) |
| 15:33.05 | selke | is illume keyboard the default terminal keyboard? |
| 15:33.06 | dos1 | i think than |
| 15:33.15 | dos1 | but english is not my native language too ;) |
| 15:33.21 | selke | dos1, okay :D |
| 15:33.23 | dos1 | selke: in which distro? |
| 15:33.27 | selke | shr |
| 15:33.38 | dos1 | selke: yes, it is |
| 15:33.48 | selke | okay |
| 15:34.11 | skamster | yiiiiiiiiiihaaaa, my first connection with dbus in python works |
| 15:34.11 | skamster | :d |
| 15:34.13 | selke | i'm afraid of the day where i'll lost my touchpen^^ |
| 15:34.18 | selke | nice :D |
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| 15:34.40 | skamster | dos1, do you know a method to read the content from a retrived sms? |
| 15:34.46 | skamster | yeah, realy |
| 15:34.57 | skamster | i was try this the last half our |
| 15:34.58 | skamster | :) |
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| 15:37.52 | skamster | does someone know, how i could read the informations from a sms-object? |
| 15:37.57 | skamster | in python? |
| 15:38.22 | dos1 | skamster: like array? |
| 15:38.43 | mirko-paroli | dos1: I think it is the dict the framework sends back |
| 15:39.25 | mirko-paroli | skamster: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.html;hb=HEAD#RetrieveMessage |
| 15:39.45 | dos1 | mirko-paroli: yep. so "for (field, value) in message" should work? |
| 15:40.22 | mirko-paroli | I guess sth like that, I usually take the slower approach obj[attr] |
| 15:40.28 | mirko-paroli | but both should be working |
| 15:42.07 | dos1 | skamster: http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/pim.py - if you want to work on pim, that can be useful ;) |
| 15:42.26 | dos1 | in few minutes i will update it with Update() support ;) |
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| 15:45.08 | selke | mokomaze is really nice :D |
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| 15:48.58 | skamster | it's a array? |
| 15:49.19 | skamster | i try print(sms['contents']) |
| 15:49.29 | skamster | because i retrive just one message |
| 15:49.39 | skamster | but it doesn't work.. :( |
| 15:53.41 | skamster | ah, it works |
| 15:53.45 | skamster | :) |
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| 16:00.42 | selke | why i can't set a ssh connection over my wlan-network to openmoko? is ssh just possible over the usb-connection? |
| 16:01.07 | dos1 | selke: edit /etc/default/dropbear |
| 16:01.20 | selke | okay thanks |
| 16:01.26 | dos1 | it allows connection only by usb as default |
| 16:01.58 | Zorkman | selke: look at the shr tweaks page |
| 16:02.07 | Zorkman | (just google 'shr tweaksé') |
| 16:02.43 | selke | ah another question, it's okay to set a root-password or will there be any errors? |
| 16:02.59 | selke | (omg i think my english is really bad atm sorry^^) |
| 16:03.33 | dos1 | it's ok |
| 16:07.51 | Weiss | selke: in fact, you SHOULD.. for a fairly obvious reason :) |
| 16:08.24 | selke | yap :D |
| 16:08.35 | skamster | ehm, what must i do, to add 2 widgets to a gtk-window? |
| 16:08.43 | selke | i just had some fears how the startup then will work |
| 16:08.45 | skamster | also in python |
| 16:08.46 | skamster | :) |
| 16:08.56 | dos1 | skamster: why gtk? |
| 16:09.38 | skamster | mmh, i'm learning python now, and if i could programm it python with gtk, i could use it everywhere |
| 16:09.48 | skamster | also on the host, windows, mac, etc |
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| 16:09.59 | skamster | etk couldn't this, i think? |
| 16:10.12 | dos1 | no etk |
| 16:10.16 | dos1 | elementary ;) |
| 16:10.27 | dos1 | and it could i think |
| 16:11.32 | skamster | mmh.. i learn a little bit in gtk.. so maybe i look in elementary later :) |
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| 16:11.57 | skamster | but it's should be possible to add more than one widget, i think? |
| 16:12.03 | skamster | it always say, it isn't |
| 16:12.04 | skamster | :s |
| 16:12.29 | skamster | GtkWarning: Attempting to add a widget with type GtkLabel to a GtkWindow, but as a GtkBin subclass a GtkWindow can only contain one widget at a time; it already contains a widget of type GtkLabel |
| 16:12.29 | skamster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:12.38 | dos1 | skamster: use boxes |
| 16:15.59 | skamster | :D |
| 16:16.01 | skamster | thx |
| 16:18.48 | Zorkman | anyone knows where to get blueslee's keyboard: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a0b7812b479d5cb7c9732db9e84a0a2c.png? |
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| 16:52.44 | qknight | 18:51 < qknight> i have an error after opkg upgrade |
| 16:52.44 | qknight | 18:52 < qknight> This is very bad. Enlightenment SEGV'd |
| 16:52.44 | qknight | 18:52 < qknight> now i can F1 recover and F2 Exit |
| 16:52.44 | qknight | 18:52 < qknight> both don't do much |
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| 16:54.35 | qknight | where to start? |
| 16:54.40 | qknight | i removed the ~/.e folder |
| 16:54.47 | qknight | but it didn't change anything |
| 16:54.51 | qknight | the last time this made it work |
| 16:55.00 | qknight | i had a problem with a packet on the upgrade |
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| 16:55.45 | qknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.48 | qknight | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:04.06 | qknight | where would i find the place to hook into e17 debugging? |
| 17:04.13 | qknight | what program did seg'V? |
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| 17:18.00 | qknight | ah ok |
| 17:18.01 | qknight | xinit /etc/X11/Xsession -- /usr/bin/Xglamo :0 -br -pn -dpi 285 -screen 480x640x16 -mouse tslib -hide-cursor -root-ppm /usr/share/pixmaps/xsplash-vga.ppm vt1 |
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| 17:18.04 | qknight | ps aux is my friend |
| 17:18.11 | wurp2|working | Zorkman: I don't know, but bluetooth keyboards aren't working for me in shr for some time :-( |
| 17:18.28 | qknight | http://rafb.net/p/1vNlZ634.html |
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| 17:25.17 | ChristW | Good evening! |
| 17:26.23 | ChristW | Does anyone know if flite works in FSO, and if so, how to use it? When I run it, all it says is 'failed to open audio device /dev/dsp'. I googled a bit, and found a way to talk to ALSA, but I am unsure if flite knows how to read .festivalrc... |
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| 17:30.56 | qknight | where are the shr developers? |
| 17:31.00 | qknight | are they on irc? |
| 17:31.21 | qknight | it seems a needed packet dependency is not available anymore: opkg -force-reinstall install libevas-saver-png does not work since the packet is missing in the repository |
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| 17:32.01 | lambda_ | openmoko-cdevel is your best bet qknight |
| 17:32.09 | Heinervdm | qknight: i thing the package is renamed |
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| 17:32.22 | Heinervdm | evas-saver-png without lib |
| 17:35.10 | qknight | ok |
| 17:35.32 | qknight | still it does not work (i've reinsalled that already) but even using -force-reinstall didn't help |
| 17:42.35 | qknight | is there something like |
| 17:42.38 | qknight | check-deps |
| 17:43.00 | qknight | after i remove arbitrary packets (!system boot relevant ones) |
| 17:43.03 | khiraly1 | hi |
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| 17:44.52 | khiraly1 | I just received my neo freerunner (5 minutes ago), I unpacked, and plugged in the wall charger. The question is, how can I type / into the terminal under 2007.x (the default distro) |
| 17:45.44 | Defiant | khiraly1: iirc I also failed there...jjust upgrade |
| 17:45.50 | dos1 | khiraly1: change distro |
| 17:46.01 | dos1 | khiraly1: default image is baaaaaaaad |
| 17:46.02 | qknight | khiraly1: and install qi (boots much faster here) |
| 17:46.26 | dos1 | 2007.2 was good... but not in default image ;x |
| 17:46.47 | DocScrutinizer | bah, much can be no more than 5sec speedup |
| 17:46.58 | khiraly1 | ok. Just I suppose I need to set up usb networking for be able to upgrade |
| 17:47.10 | Defiant | nope |
| 17:47.12 | khiraly1 | but almost every command requires / in terminal |
| 17:47.17 | Defiant | khiraly1: read the wiki about flashing |
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| 17:47.35 | khiraly1 | Defiant: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 17:48.10 | Defiant | khiraly1: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 17:48.18 | khiraly1 | thisok |
| 17:48.20 | khiraly1 | ok |
| 17:48.33 | khiraly1 | thank you. I'll come back, when I finished reading |
| 17:48.52 | Defiant | Is that a threat? :P |
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| 17:49.27 | emmentaler | is there a way to get /dev/dsp working? |
| 17:49.37 | qknight | emmentaler: with alsa dsp emulation maybe |
| 17:49.42 | khiraly1 | by the way, the freerunner is beautiful in real life. (the rubber on the plastic housing is absolutely lovely) |
| 17:49.43 | emmentaler | I loaded snd-*-oss modules but this wont work |
| 17:49.47 | qknight | Defiant: just add some more text and links to the wiki |
| 17:50.09 | khiraly1 | from images it was ugly as hell... But in real life, its really shiny |
| 17:50.10 | DocScrutinizer | emmentaler: best avoid using dsp |
| 17:50.40 | emmentaler | DocScrutinizer, yes .. but the documentation of ALSA is a pain.. |
| 17:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 17:51.40 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless there's no other soundcard driver. all other audio is just layers between alsa and app |
| 17:52.02 | emmentaler | the point is, that my stuff already works with dsp.. alsa==more work |
| 17:52.03 | DocScrutinizer | and OSS aka /dev/dsp is a really nasty one |
| 17:52.26 | qknight | yepee |
| 17:52.27 | qknight | fixed |
| 17:52.51 | emmentaler | sigh.. i already thought that i have to change this once |
| 17:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | emmentaler: the point is: with dsp it's your stuff that's the only one that works then. dsp isn't muxing |
| 17:52.59 | qknight | i just removed all packets named something like evas which didn't reinstall correctly (since not in any repo) |
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| 17:53.57 | emmentaler | jop, but i dont need something else if my app is running .. usually i dont phone and listen to mp3s |
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| 17:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, great! :-( and when a call comes in, no ringtone playback, rather it will segfault or do other nasty things |
| 17:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | you might use `aoss` |
| 17:55.51 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly it's deprecated as well |
| 17:56.14 | qknight | gps not found |
| 17:56.22 | DocScrutinizer | Neo audio apps should use generic alsa |
| 17:56.22 | qknight | somehow the updated updated my gps away |
| 17:56.24 | qknight | how to fix that? |
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| 17:57.00 | emmentaler | my app is a call application that works with csd calls .. but there is a thing that i did not think about |
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| 17:57.12 | emmentaler | what if a csd call is active and a regular voice call comes in .. |
| 17:57.14 | emmentaler | hmm.. |
| 17:57.15 | lambda | according this tuto http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/xorg-glamo.txt i try to get my xf86-video-glamo driver on debian but the compil failed |
| 17:57.17 | khiraly1 | this is the right Qi image? http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu |
| 17:57.41 | lambda | is there a more trivial way to install xf86-video-glamo? |
| 17:58.07 | qknight | khiraly1: for gta 02 i have qi-s3c2442-master-hist_3b8513d8b3d9615e.udfu |
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| 17:58.29 | khiraly1 | qknight: thanks. So it is the right one |
| 17:59.47 | sypher7 | so what kind of battery life are people getting these days? last i heard it was about a day or so. i know it depends on the distro/software/usage but i'm just curious what people's experiences are |
| 18:00.25 | dos1 | with shr-unstable i'm getting 1,5 day with normal usage |
| 18:00.29 | dos1 | s/1,5/1.5/ |
| 18:00.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~60h |
| 18:00.44 | sypher7 | fancy |
| 18:00.46 | dos1 | s/normal/mine normal/ |
| 18:00.47 | dos1 | ;) |
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| 18:01.24 | sypher7 | shr-unstable seems to be pretty popular |
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| 18:02.28 | dos1 | sypher7: looks like. i'm developer, so i have to use unstable to develop new things ;) |
| 18:02.48 | dos1 | sypher7: but at the moment i think -unstable and -testing are equal |
| 18:03.17 | sypher7 | yeah i read something recently saying unstable was merged up to testing |
| 18:04.03 | sypher7 | i'll probably try out a few different distros but i may settle on shr-unstable if i start messing with dev |
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| 18:05.27 | sypher7 | i'm still waiting for UPS to deliver my phone though, so i'm mulling over options :-P |
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| 18:10.56 | lindi- | lambda: how does it fail? I have a xf86-video-glamo package |
| 18:12.25 | khiraly1 | hmm. When in u-boot menu (NAND) does the neo freerunner charges? |
| 18:12.51 | khiraly1 | because, maybe I was impatient, and didnt charged full my freerunner. And so, I cant switch on anymore |
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| 18:16.45 | khiraly1 | nevermind. It seems u-boot (NAND) switched off |
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| 18:17.40 | Zorkman | khiraly1: it always switches off after one minut withouth keypresses, unles you edit it's variables |
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| 18:18.13 | khiraly1 | but when switched off, I should disconnect from usb immediatly because gta02 cant be charged when switched off |
| 18:18.18 | khiraly1 | (I read on wiki) |
| 18:18.37 | max_posedon | khiraly1, wiki contains information |
| 18:18.44 | max_posedon | how to boot neo without battery at all |
| 18:19.00 | khiraly1 | max_posedon: it just turned off. The battery is fine |
| 18:19.13 | dos1 | khiraly1: WTF? |
| 18:19.23 | dos1 | gta02 can be charged when switched off |
| 18:19.58 | max_posedon | really? or just with *very slow* charge speed? |
| 18:20.28 | max_posedon | I suggest boot without battery |
| 18:20.35 | dos1 | max_posedon: it can with any charge speed. |
| 18:20.40 | mjr | leave it charging for a good while. Perhaps after removing the battery for a while to make sure it's all dead. |
| 18:20.43 | mjr | can it? |
| 18:20.48 | dos1 | max_posedon: but it only *CAN* |
| 18:20.49 | dos1 | ;D |
| 18:20.54 | max_posedon | ) |
| 18:21.08 | mjr | boot without battery may be a good idea as well |
| 18:21.48 | khiraly1 | Neo FreeRunner does NOT charge when powered off, so be sure to turn it on and allow it to boot all the way to the GUI (Graphical User Interface). |
| 18:21.54 | khiraly1 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner |
| 18:21.59 | khiraly1 | at the middle |
| 18:22.23 | qknight | why can't i use "kill -9 pid' on the openmoko? |
| 18:22.28 | qknight | it never kills the pid as on my gentoo box |
| 18:22.38 | khiraly1 | I remembered as "cant be charged". my mistake |
| 18:22.50 | lambda | lindi-, src/Makefile.am:27: Libtool library used but `LIBTOOL' is undefined |
| 18:22.50 | lambda | |
| 18:23.24 | sypher7 | did you try a "kill -15 pid" "kill -1 pid" and "kill -2 pid" first? those will normally quit stuff cleaner than a kill -9 |
| 18:23.34 | lindi- | lambda: you forgot dependencies? |
| 18:23.41 | sypher7 | if a proc is stuck in I/O for something that will block a -9 sometimes |
| 18:23.51 | qknight | sypher7: no i didn't |
| 18:24.02 | lindi- | lambda: use 'deb-src http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/debian destructive main' and apt-get --build source xf86-video-glamo |
| 18:24.15 | lambda | :-) |
| 18:24.19 | sypher7 | qknight: maybe give that a shot. worth a try |
| 18:24.26 | qknight | tried all |
| 18:24.30 | qknight | none worked |
| 18:24.39 | qknight | i crashed my openmkoko with that upgrade |
| 18:24.40 | qknight | sigh |
| 18:24.42 | qknight | how much i hate that |
| 18:24.51 | qknight | suspend menu is broken |
| 18:24.59 | lambda | destructive? such a beautiful name for such a beautiful repository, thx man |
| 18:25.00 | qknight | tangogps won't work anymore |
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| 18:26.39 | max_posedon | qknight, good time to start send patches |
| 18:27.20 | qknight | i think that opkg is broken in concept |
| 18:27.25 | qknight | so i would have to fix that first |
| 18:27.59 | khiraly1 | ok. Need a bit assistance here |
| 18:28.08 | khiraly1 | http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ |
| 18:28.26 | khiraly1 | the fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.tar.gz is for the sD card |
| 18:28.36 | khiraly1 | and .jffs2 for the NAND ? |
| 18:29.43 | max_posedon | qknight, if you think that opkg broken in concept |
| 18:29.46 | max_posedon | (btw I agree) |
| 18:30.04 | max_posedon | you can begin port fso/shr to your favorite distro |
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| 18:40.07 | skamster | ehm.. does someone know, how i could do something, when the close-button is pressed in shr? |
| 18:40.15 | skamster | (in python) |
| 18:41.08 | skamster | i want to close the programm then, because it's just kill the gui |
| 18:41.12 | skamster | not the programm |
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| 18:47.33 | qknight | what can cause a crash? |
| 18:47.45 | qknight | my shr sometimes just crases and then the aux light blinks |
| 18:48.20 | qknight | skamster: what exactly? |
| 18:48.28 | skamster | i had it |
| 18:48.30 | qknight | skamster: i would guess using that X button closes the program |
| 18:48.31 | DocMobilizer | kernel panic |
| 18:48.36 | skamster | nothing difficult |
| 18:48.46 | skamster | no, it's own code |
| 18:48.47 | qknight | DocMobilizer: so aux blinking == kernel panic? |
| 18:48.51 | skamster | the x close the gui |
| 18:48.56 | skamster | but not the whole code |
| 18:48.58 | skamster | :) |
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| 18:49.16 | DocMobilizer | non-matching kernel and modules? |
| 18:49.34 | qknight | mabe |
| 18:49.35 | qknight | maybe |
| 18:49.45 | qknight | i don't know since i didn't put it together |
| 18:50.01 | PaulFertser | qknight: yes, blinking aux == kernel panic |
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| 18:50.28 | Heinervdm | skamster: http://docs.python.org/library/signal.html |
| 18:51.02 | PaulFertser | qknight: is it reproducible for you? You might be interested in the ramconsole patch that enables everybody to capture panic message without dboard. |
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| 18:53.07 | qknight | PaulFertser: it happens when i do a lot of cpu usage |
| 18:53.17 | qknight | PaulFertser: like this mass reinstallation |
| 18:53.42 | qknight | PaulFertser: but a different issue buggs me even more |
| 18:53.45 | PaulFertser | qknight: well, it'd be interesting to see the crash message |
| 18:54.08 | PaulFertser | qknight: kernel issue? |
| 18:56.09 | DocMobilizer | (blinking) except when uboot is detecting low bat and switches to charge bat only mode |
| 18:56.37 | DocMobilizer | this blinking different freq tho |
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| 18:58.05 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r86b72dd8f52f 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (pimb_sqlite_contacts.py pimd_contacts.py): opimd: SQLite_Contacts: implement adding new fields to contact on Update() |
| 18:59.14 | qknight | PaulFertser: sorry i really don't know |
| 18:59.23 | qknight | PaulFertser: how to set this crash message thing up? |
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| 19:10.39 | qknight | PaulFertser: for i in `cat packet_list`; do opkg -force-reinstall install $i; done |
| 19:10.47 | qknight | PaulFertser: in this list i have all currently installed packets |
| 19:10.50 | dos1 | tests |
| 19:10.59 | dos1 | s/tests/lulz/ |
| 19:11.55 | PaulFertser | qknight: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/cgi-bin/openmoko-bugs.py?q=ramconsole |
| 19:19.02 | qknight | how to umount /mnt/card |
| 19:19.08 | qknight | i can't find any reference to it |
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| 19:19.48 | alephnull | /media/card |
| 19:20.20 | qknight | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type ext3 (ro,errors=continue,data=ordered) |
| 19:20.24 | qknight | i meant /media/card |
| 19:20.27 | qknight | still i get |
| 19:20.37 | qknight | umount: /media/card: device is busy |
| 19:22.56 | qknight | i should probably create a ext3 instead of ext2 fs on /mnt/card |
| 19:23.00 | qknight | /media/card |
| 19:23.14 | qknight | i got errors on this the second time |
| 19:23.26 | qknight | this time the osm dir where i store my Maps is not there anymore |
| 19:23.39 | qknight | and tangoGPS seems to search for every single tile ... |
| 19:24.02 | spydon | how do I get sd card to work on android? |
| 19:24.57 | lindi- | qknight: sudo lsof | grep /media |
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| 19:25.21 | qknight | sudo? i'm alredy root ;-) |
| 19:25.49 | qknight | lindi-: but i tried that already and i didn't find anything |
| 19:25.52 | qknight | thanks anyway ;-) |
| 19:26.08 | qknight | spydon: boot from sd or use sd to store data? |
| 19:26.11 | lindi- | qknight: cat /proc/mounts |
| 19:26.43 | spydon | qknight, to store data |
| 19:26.48 | skamster | hey peobles, thanks for the tipps with python :) this woudn't be created without you! http://www.opkg.org/package_214.html |
| 19:26.51 | skamster | :) |
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| 19:27.40 | spydon | nice skamster |
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| 19:28.04 | skamster | thx :) |
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| 19:30.46 | Zorkman | skamster: just saw your app on opkg :) |
| 19:31.00 | alephnull | spydon: Doesn't android need the sdacrd partitioned in a particular way ? /data is on the sdcard, I thought. |
| 19:31.06 | skamster | :D |
| 19:31.19 | skamster | it was just codeable cause this chat :) |
| 19:31.28 | skamster | hope, it's useable |
| 19:31.34 | spydon | alephnull, I have no idea :S |
| 19:32.00 | alephnull | spydon: Check the wiki. |
| 19:32.40 | spydon | alephnull, openmoko wiki or android wiki? |
| 19:33.56 | alephnull | spydon: Either, both. It won't be a waste if you have no idea. |
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| 19:34.21 | spydon | alephnull, yeag but where did you read it? :P |
| 19:34.24 | spydon | yeah* |
| 19:34.47 | alephnull | I can't recall. |
| 19:36.04 | khiraly1 | did somebody tried the paroli image? |
| 19:36.29 | khiraly1 | how can I shut down the phone? |
| 19:36.46 | khiraly1 | (completely). Beside to tack off the battery |
| 19:37.25 | khiraly1 | and can I have a terminal? |
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| 19:42.19 | badcloud | hey all |
| 19:43.07 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: yes, start it via ssh |
| 19:43.22 | khiraly1 | oh |
| 19:43.35 | badcloud | anyone available to help me? can't seem to get the wifi or usb network to work |
| 19:43.42 | badcloud | usb networking is ok |
| 19:43.58 | badcloud | latest shr unstable |
| 19:45.21 | badcloud | running ubuntu 9 |
| 19:45.25 | spydon | Does the koolu android image even support sd-cards? |
| 19:46.04 | khiraly1 | ok. I'll try shr first. This paroli image needs some polishing (like audio feedback, and sometime the buttons does not gets pressed) |
| 19:46.10 | khiraly1 | but the dialer is absolutely awesome |
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| 19:47.13 | dos1 | khiraly1: i don't think it's good time to test shr ;) |
| 19:47.19 | dos1 | images like to be broken now |
| 19:47.54 | badcloud | dos1, I second that :) |
| 19:48.13 | dos1 | but i think in few days it will be stabilized |
| 19:48.38 | qknight | khiraly1: updates are broken here as well ;P |
| 19:49.26 | mwester | It's all broken right now! That's a good thing; it makes it easier to put it back together again. |
| 19:49.43 | mwester | dos1 is fixing it all. |
| 19:49.51 | qknight | yea cool |
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| 19:50.04 | qknight | could he fix my current openmoko desaster asw ell? |
| 19:50.12 | mwester | I'm certain he can! |
| 19:50.18 | mwester | Right dos1? |
| 19:50.21 | khiraly1 | I downloaded these: |
| 19:50.22 | qknight | dos1: huhu |
| 19:50.46 | khiraly1 | openmoko-shr-image-glibc-ipk--20090502-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 19:50.46 | khiraly1 | uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0e5fe639e234cdeb11d8441f19c5b3109a8b6a17-r2-om-gta02.bin |
| 19:50.55 | dos1 | hides |
| 19:50.55 | khiraly1 | is it known to be broken? |
| 19:51.39 | khiraly1 | is there somewhere an archive to try a bit older image? |
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| 19:54.45 | DocMobilizer | khiraly1: try people.openmoko.org/joerg/shr |
| 19:55.33 | max_posedon | every openmoko developer should have his own distro! |
| 19:55.48 | DocMobilizer | hehe |
| 19:56.19 | max_posedon | why in this case gentoo isn't main openmoko disto?) |
| 19:56.37 | DocMobilizer | still waiting for Ainulindales special jr-edition ;) |
| 19:57.15 | max_posedon | you mean ncurses-based?) |
| 19:57.20 | DocMobilizer | gentoo is err.. too err... gen |
| 19:57.50 | sypher7 | spydon: i think http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android_on_Freerunner is what you're looking for |
| 19:58.19 | max_posedon | DocMobilizer, it is near ok now |
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| 19:59.02 | spydon | sypher7, aah thx, I didn't see that thing in the bottom with sd-cards |
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| 20:02.13 | badcloud | khiraly1, I think 8th of Feb worked the smoothest for me |
| 20:02.25 | badcloud | but I'm not sure how it will run with the latest kernel |
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| 20:03.59 | DocMobilizer | 2009-04-16 is quite useable |
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| 20:04.57 | DocMobilizer | it's what i'm using this very moment |
| 20:05.16 | DocMobilizer | to send these words |
| 20:05.17 | emmentaler | how can i open a call using something like minicom? |
| 20:05.31 | emmentaler | i mean, which device should I use with minicom? |
| 20:05.45 | DocMobilizer | mickeyterm |
| 20:05.50 | DocMobilizer | ATA |
| 20:05.54 | badcloud | DocMobilizer, April 16th |
| 20:05.57 | badcloud | isn't there |
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| 20:06.21 | DocMobilizer | huh |
| 20:06.25 | DocMobilizer | ? |
| 20:06.31 | badcloud | unstable? |
| 20:06.50 | DocMobilizer | testing |
| 20:06.57 | badcloud | ah, testing |
| 20:07.13 | DocMobilizer | see joerg/shr |
| 20:07.44 | badcloud | what's the domain? |
| 20:07.47 | emmentaler | thanx.. mickeyterm was exactly what i was looking for |
| 20:09.00 | DocMobilizer | emmentaler: still you need to 'alsactl restore -f bla/blub/gsmhandset.state' |
| 20:09.14 | DocMobilizer | otherwise no audio |
| 20:09.30 | badcloud | nm, found it |
| 20:10.00 | DocMobilizer | badcloud: read scrollback |
| 20:10.09 | badcloud | just did |
| 20:10.11 | badcloud | :) |
| 20:11.02 | badcloud | DocMobilizer, 'alsactl restore -f bla/blub/gsmhandset.state' <---- does that refer to the 14.4 image? |
| 20:11.28 | DocMobilizer | haha |
| 20:12.23 | badcloud | sewiously tho |
| 20:13.28 | DocMobilizer | its true for all distros |
| 20:13.49 | emmentaler | ok.. it was just a test to issue a csd call .. i do not really want to call that way |
| 20:13.58 | DocMobilizer | s/bla/\/usr/ |
| 20:15.25 | badcloud | well, that is the default alsactl setting, isn't it? |
| 20:16.04 | DocMobilizer | s/blob/share |
| 20:16.22 | DocMobilizer | depends, usually not |
| 20:16.37 | badcloud | '/usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/' I believe |
| 20:16.44 | badcloud | at least in shr |
| 20:16.47 | DocMobilizer | yup |
| 20:16.56 | DocMobilizer | lazy here |
| 20:17.03 | badcloud | heehee |
| 20:17.04 | DocMobilizer | tiny kbd |
| 20:17.47 | badcloud | I just know it by heart after making two desktop mini apps to go from stereoout.state to headset.state and vice versa |
| 20:18.06 | DocMobilizer | usually stereoout default |
| 20:18.26 | badcloud | so in which cases do you need gsmhandset? |
| 20:18.38 | badcloud | stupid ques, I know |
| 20:18.42 | DocMobilizer | phonecall |
| 20:18.52 | badcloud | but isn't that enabled on startup? |
| 20:19.08 | DocMobilizer | nope |
| 20:19.11 | badcloud | ? |
| 20:19.14 | badcloud | why the hell not??? |
| 20:19.16 | DocMobilizer | stereoout |
| 20:19.45 | DocMobilizer | tsclick, ringtone..... |
| 20:19.59 | badcloud | I was using the latest shr unstable |
| 20:20.09 | badcloud | using only stereoout |
| 20:20.19 | badcloud | and I could make phonecalls just fine |
| 20:20.26 | badcloud | using the handset |
| 20:20.32 | badcloud | no speakerphone |
| 20:20.39 | DocMobilizer | honestly theres NO default |
| 20:20.45 | badcloud | I figuree |
| 20:20.46 | badcloud | d |
| 20:20.49 | badcloud | *figured |
| 20:20.59 | badcloud | but if stereoout is enabled |
| 20:21.15 | badcloud | how do you explain being able to make phone calls using the handset |
| 20:21.16 | badcloud | ? |
| 20:21.29 | DocMobilizer | huh |
| 20:21.48 | badcloud | you said that gsmhandset needs to be enabled to make phonecalls |
| 20:22.02 | DocMobilizer | yup |
| 20:22.05 | dos1 | badcloud: frameworkd changes audio states automatically |
| 20:22.11 | badcloud | aaaaah |
| 20:22.22 | DocMobilizer | xactly |
| 20:22.36 | badcloud | is that something that works ok in 14.4.09? |
| 20:22.55 | DocMobilizer | not tho when ATA on mickeyterm |
| 20:23.04 | badcloud | ata? |
| 20:23.48 | DocMobilizer | read backscroll |
| 20:24.28 | badcloud | couldn't put the pieces together from the conversation |
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| 20:24.30 | badcloud | but no bother |
| 20:24.43 | badcloud | I'll just test and report |
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| 20:24.57 | badcloud | I'm not the best when it comes to the technical stuff |
| 20:25.10 | badcloud | or rather, I'm no good at the tech stuff |
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| 20:46.54 | khiraly1 | hmm |
| 20:46.58 | khiraly1 | how to switch off? |
| 20:47.03 | lambda | lindi-, i get the xf86-video-glamo driver working with xserver-xorg-core 2:1.6.1-1 |
| 20:47.26 | lambda | and the guidelines on your website |
| 20:47.46 | lambda | that seems much more responsive |
| 20:47.53 | lindi- | lambda: good |
| 20:48.08 | lambda | huomenta |
| 20:48.14 | lambda | thank you |
| 20:55.45 | badcloud | anyone have the binaries for the nes/snes emulators rafael made? |
| 20:58.06 | czaks | hi, I have one question: I've recently bought a freerunner. everything seems to be ok, but the wifi module drives me mad - it can connect only once per reboot (kernel: 2.6.29-rc3, SHR unstable). i've tried reloading the module, but it doesn't work either. is there any method to make it connect, then? |
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| 21:02.58 | PaulFertser | czaks: how unloading doesn't work? Does it oops? |
| 21:03.14 | czaks | PaulFertser, it doesn't help |
| 21:03.20 | PaulFertser | czaks: does it connect after the first suspend/resume? |
| 21:03.40 | czaks | yes, but only if I didn't connect previously |
| 21:04.14 | PaulFertser | czaks: suspend/resume should be fully equivalent to reloading a module... |
| 21:04.36 | SpeedEvil | hgave you trie with more than one AP? |
| 21:04.49 | czaks | SpeedEvil, no, at the moment I can reach only one AP |
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| 21:05.55 | Zorkman | czaks: which distro do you use? |
| 21:06.07 | czaks | SHR, as I've mentioned earlier :p |
| 21:06.11 | Zorkman | czaks: if you use shr, try toggling the wifi sliders in settings |
| 21:06.13 | czaks | unstable |
| 21:06.28 | czaks | Zorkman, tried, still it doesn't work |
| 21:06.30 | Zorkman | i can connect as many times as i want, IF i first turn the wifi device off |
| 21:06.36 | Zorkman | then i'm out of ideas :p |
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| 21:07.03 | czaks | so, it isn't the known issue then? :p |
| 21:07.51 | PaulFertser | czaks: absolutely unknown. Can you make sure you really do reload the driver (by looking at dmesg output)? |
| 21:08.20 | czaks | PaulFertser, not at the moment, I'll try later |
| 21:08.39 | max_posedon | funny, in semptember wifi was rock stable for me |
| 21:09.23 | czaks | hm, maybe wpa_supplicant is the cause? |
| 21:11.21 | PaulFertser | czaks: have you tried restarting it after reloading the module? |
| 21:11.50 | czaks | PaulFertser, nope |
| 21:12.05 | max_posedon | I suggest poweroff/poweron wifi |
| 21:12.08 | max_posedon | after reloading module |
| 21:12.22 | czaks | ok, thank you, I'll try that |
| 21:12.38 | PaulFertser | czaks: for me wpa_supplicant survived suspend/resume with WPA APs. I suggest you restart it just in case. |
| 21:13.27 | PaulFertser | Actually poweroff/poweron wifi (as implemented in FSO and therefore in SHR Settings) should be fully equivalent to module reloading. |
| 21:14.21 | czaks | i see. anyway, ar6001 is hard-mac, isn't it? |
| 21:14.32 | mwester | ar6000 is hard-mac |
| 21:14.54 | PaulFertser | :( |
| 21:15.06 | czaks | and monitor mode hasn't been implemented yet? |
| 21:15.17 | czaks | because I saw some posts on a mailing list |
| 21:15.32 | czaks | which suggested, that there is a possibility for that |
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| 21:15.48 | PaulFertser | And it looks like it will never be. Atheros seem to refuse to fix even nasty reproducible (they confirmed they could reproduce) firmware-crashed bugs. :( |
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| 21:17.11 | czaks | i see... ar5k is a pretty nice device, on the other hand |
| 21:18.51 | lambda | hmm... /etc/init.d/nodm is no longer working |
| 21:19.21 | lambda | what is a cheap way of launching X at startup please? |
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| 21:21.17 | fredrin | ~seen dave |
| 21:21.18 | apt | dave <n=dave@pool-138-89-1-87.mad.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 18d 19h 40m 3s ago, saying: 'hahaa'. |
| 21:21.21 | fredrin | seen dave |
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| 21:31.21 | mwester | The mokos got dave. |
| 21:31.38 | khiraly1 | [281107.400193] eth1: duplicate address detected! |
| 21:31.40 | SpeedEvil | He's been kidnapped to work on project B. |
| 21:31.50 | DocScrutinizer | (hard-mac) nevertheless for most hardmac wifi it's (theoretically at least) possible to write a softmac driver |
| 21:32.01 | SpeedEvil | OM is solving its funding problems through radical employment methods. |
| 21:32.09 | khiraly1 | hmm, neo got the same networking name as my ethernet card |
| 21:32.09 | SpeedEvil | Hangon - someone at the door. |
| 21:32.25 | DocScrutinizer | heheheh |
| 21:32.34 | DocScrutinizer | famous last words ;DD |
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| 21:33.37 | mjr | so yeah, did someone happen to know about the announced always innovating touch book, spesifically GPU matters and openness thereof? |
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| 21:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | ""hi. My name is peter chang, and these are my brothers bud and arnold. The OM HR wants to talk to you" |
| 21:34.29 | fredrin | is shr-testing fucked now? |
| 21:34.47 | DocScrutinizer | no, but you are if you use it XD |
| 21:34.55 | mwester | I'm not sure about it's sexual status, but it's not very useful as a phone stack right now. |
| 21:35.04 | fredrin | is the CEO of openmoko a columbian? |
| 21:35.42 | DocScrutinizer | speedevil prolly never seen again ;) |
| 21:36.28 | czaks | do you know maybe if debian's KDE4 can run on the gta02 without swap? |
| 21:37.32 | fredrin | DocScrutinizer: fuck |
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| 21:38.21 | khiraly1 | re |
| 21:38.25 | mjr | Ok so yeah, it's using that powervr bastard. Not surprised, but disappointed :I |
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| 21:39.30 | khiraly1 | where is the opkg repository? I want to get libsdl-ttf as invidual file |
| 21:39.30 | khiraly1 | like packages.debian.org |
| 21:40.17 | Toaster` | khiraly1: if it's not linked directly from opkg.org, try your distros repo. |
| 21:40.30 | khiraly1 | yepp, just dont have net on my neo |
| 21:40.39 | khiraly1 | so I want to download via my regular pc |
| 21:40.47 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: or OM repo: http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/experimental/armv4t/ |
| 21:41.01 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: htank you! |
| 21:41.13 | czaks | khiraly1, did you try to make a masquerade? |
| 21:41.35 | khiraly1 | nope. Its to late. I installed 3 distros, and want mokomaze. Thats it for today;) |
| 21:41.58 | khiraly1 | (my neo just arrived 6 hours ago) |
| 21:42.29 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: if you don't have any tricky firewall rules, masquerade for moko should be just one command away) |
| 21:42.32 | czaks | i see. i've got mine for, i think, 3 days |
| 21:43.40 | czaks | when I make my phone fully usable, I'll probably participate in the development |
| 21:43.54 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: Im behind a normal wifi router. So my notebook has a 192.168.1.101 address I think |
| 21:44.01 | PaulFertser | czaks: lol, it might take longer than you think |
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| 21:44.45 | czaks | PaulFertser, i know that :p |
| 21:44.56 | khiraly1 | czaks: paroli looks awesome. Just lacks some audio-feedback, and some button does not have pressed image (cant really see, when pressed). But much more responsible as shr, where I need to wait 5-10 sec for every application |
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| 21:45.48 | khiraly1 | and the top bar (the enlightenment one) works like a charm. Animate, big buttons, really good. And under paroli I miss it |
| 21:46.00 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: and i assume you have your neo connected via usb to the laptop? Then "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.202 -o wlan0 -j MASQUARADE" and "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 21:46.02 | khiraly1 | would be nice to mix shr with paroli. |
| 21:46.06 | czaks | i didn't try paroli yet, but shr's phone stack is great |
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| 21:46.30 | czaks | at least for my needs |
| 21:46.38 | khiraly1 | PaulFertser: I'll try it. But you solved my homework (some hours rtfm) |
| 21:47.12 | czaks | if all i wanted was just a phone, i'd rather have bought the flat motorola one :p |
| 21:47.13 | khiraly1 | czaks: paroli is much more responsible, bigger fonts. Looks like it is built to be a phone;) |
| 21:47.43 | khiraly1 | czaks: yepp. The best would be install paroli under shr |
| 21:48.17 | czaks | the best would be that with more packages :p |
| 21:48.56 | khiraly1 | paulfertser: iptables v1.4.1.1: Couldn't load target `MASQUARADE':/lib/xtables/libipt_MASQUARADE.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:49.00 | czaks | i have a need for more generic ones, like (real|tiger)vnc viewer |
| 21:49.03 | czaks | MASQUERADE* |
| 21:49.11 | khiraly1 | doh |
| 21:49.13 | khiraly1 | thx |
| 21:49.13 | czaks | i made the same mistake :D |
| 21:49.35 | khiraly1 | hmm |
| 21:49.37 | khiraly1 | and working |
| 21:49.51 | PaulFertser | khiraly1: ensure good /etc/resolv.conf on freerunner |
| 21:50.05 | khiraly1 | I can ping google.com |
| 21:50.28 | czaks | another problem with SHR is the GTK environment |
| 21:50.45 | czaks | which just isn't suited to the phone, like E one |
| 21:51.03 | khiraly1 | awesome |
| 21:51.08 | khiraly1 | works great this mokomaze |
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| 21:51.14 | khiraly1 | just blank icon |
| 21:51.17 | khiraly1 | but who cares |
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| 21:53.14 | Toaster` | czaks: Which gtk apps are you talking about. Most of the SHR apps are in elementary. |
| 21:53.32 | khiraly1 | Toaster`: there is a sketch application;) |
| 21:53.43 | czaks | Toaster`, at least mofi and midori |
| 21:53.44 | khiraly1 | it is gtk, looks like |
| 21:53.46 | Toaster` | khiraly1: That's not a SHR deveolped app |
| 21:53.54 | czaks | when mofi is not a problem, midori is |
| 21:54.11 | Toaster` | it's included, but not specific to it |
| 21:54.17 | czaks | or even pidgin |
| 21:54.43 | khiraly1 | with midori I couldnt launch it without net |
| 21:54.50 | czaks | i mean, it's hard to scroll |
| 21:54.54 | khiraly1 | so viewing local .html files is impossible |
| 21:55.12 | czaks | and some gtk apps just don't fit on the screen |
| 21:55.33 | czaks | but i get the same on my netbook |
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| 21:57.33 | khiraly1 | hmm |
| 21:57.49 | khiraly1 | how do you have location in midori? |
| 21:57.56 | khiraly1 | so how can I type an address in it? |
| 21:58.02 | khiraly1 | it loads google by default |
| 21:58.05 | czaks | khiraly1, put the arrow on the right |
| 21:58.09 | czaks | it should appear |
| 21:58.22 | khiraly1 | nothing happens |
| 21:58.25 | czaks | click the arrow* |
| 21:58.36 | khiraly1 | I have a permanent warning message, that Im superuser |
| 21:58.58 | khiraly1 | czaks: I did. It appears Location.... Ctrl-L, but after clicking on it nothing happens |
| 21:59.25 | czaks | khiraly1, hm, right |
| 21:59.30 | czaks | then try preferences |
| 21:59.39 | czaks | and somewhere select Icons |
| 21:59.48 | czaks | wait a moment... i'll locate that |
| 22:00.26 | khiraly1 | ok |
| 22:00.27 | khiraly1 | found it |
| 22:00.29 | khiraly1 | thanks |
| 22:00.35 | czaks | ok, no problem :p |
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| 22:03.01 | khiraly1 | hmm |
| 22:03.16 | khiraly1 | my demo .html page does not work under midori |
| 22:03.25 | khiraly1 | my world domination plan screwed |
| 22:04.47 | Weiss | plays Mokomaze while waiting for his kernel to compile |
| 22:04.56 | Weiss | i'm very impressed by how much memory and CPU it *doesn't* use |
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| 22:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | Weiss: what? mokomaze or the build? |
| 22:21.58 | Weiss | mokomaze |
| 22:22.07 | Weiss | i only have one core, so the build absolutely kills my computer :( |
| 22:22.11 | Weiss | hence the mokomaze |
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| 22:43.11 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how Weiss could possibly bother cpu-usage while playing mokomaze ;-D |
| 22:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | btw mokomaze has a deadtime that's quite annoying. maybe readout of gmeters could be sped up a little |
| 22:46.46 | DocScrutinizer | or is this 5fps with dublebuffering? |
| 22:47.24 | czaks | ok, the wifi has disconnected me |
| 22:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I should have posted this on cdevel :-/ |
| 22:51.06 | Weiss | DocScrutinizer: i was curious.. |
| 22:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 23:01.26 | fredrin | chau hackers |
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