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| 01:24.32 | kahless | hi all |
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| 04:18.56 | slaxxer | hackable1 looks like 2007.2 |
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| 07:09.41 | methril|work | morning |
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| 07:19.05 | jaypro | how do you guys like your freerunner |
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| 07:30.10 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:35.10 | jaypro | good morning |
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| 07:42.24 | Cervajz | good morning |
| 07:43.10 | Cervajz | Does it work sending multiple sms from SHR, please? In my case, multiple SMS (>160chars.) doesn't come to recipients :( |
| 07:54.12 | rhaeder | jaypro: DHL missed to drop me a notification and now the package is somehow lost |
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| 08:06.14 | spaetz | Cervajz: nope it doesn't |
| 08:06.28 | spaetz | as the underlying frameworkd can't do it |
| 08:06.53 | Cervajz | spaetz: Aha, ok thank you |
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| 10:07.09 | Psi_ | hm.. is the battery meter supposed to work in SHR testing. I figured it wasnt working yet but just noticed a few others commenting on how good it is |
| 10:07.45 | Psi_ | mine always shows on charge 25% full, never see anything else |
| 10:07.53 | Psi_ | even when its not charging |
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| 10:11.41 | tig| | Psi_: it works fine here on SHR testing |
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| 10:11.46 | tig| | on a freerunner |
| 10:11.53 | Psi_ | must be a gta01 issue then |
| 10:12.17 | tig| | possible gta02 here |
| 10:15.45 | transylvania | Hello, I try to test android on my freerunner, but I don't manage to figure if it's possible to boot large kernels with uboot (new version) or if I must run Qi (wich seems to make any further flash complicated with the lack of dfu mode support) |
| 10:16.14 | tig| | installing qi does not make it any more difficult to flash |
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| 10:17.41 | tig| | you can still use the NOR boot menu |
| 10:18.05 | max_posedon | transylvania, Did you try fallow koolu instractions? |
| 10:18.05 | max_posedon | *follow* |
| 10:18.08 | transylvania | ok so Qi is just installed in nand |
| 10:18.20 | transylvania | max_posedon: will try that with beta6 |
| 10:18.39 | tig| | transylvania: yes you can't mess up the NOR version without a debug board |
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| 10:19.33 | transylvania | but I'm a bit lost for the moment, changing the bootloader, verify everything then flashing the phone with correct images |
| 10:20.02 | transylvania | thanks for the tip tig| |
| 10:20.20 | tig| | no problem :) |
| 10:21.05 | transylvania | a bit hard to find something usable as and "every day phone" |
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| 10:25.11 | max_posedon | shr-testing |
| 10:26.16 | Psi_ | ya, shr-testing is good, im using it as an everyday phone |
| 10:27.02 | transylvania | not too slow ? my last experience with the general distrib was really painfull on this point |
| 10:27.19 | max_posedon | general distib? |
| 10:27.23 | Psi_ | ^ |
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| 10:27.38 | max_posedon | anyway, it works well) |
| 10:27.41 | transylvania | om2009 |
| 10:27.57 | transylvania | sorry 2008.12 |
| 10:27.58 | Psi_ | om2009 and shr are very different |
| 10:28.01 | Psi_ | that too |
| 10:30.17 | tig| | also recent versions of SHR have got a lot faster |
| 10:30.35 | Psi_ | ^ |
| 10:32.19 | transylvania | "GSM network is lost after one day of uptime: restart your FR once a day! " |
| 10:32.37 | tig| | I don't think that still is true |
| 10:32.41 | Psi_ | i never had that issue at all |
| 10:32.53 | transylvania | is the pim now avaible ? |
| 10:33.03 | transylvania | with vcard import |
| 10:38.09 | Psi_ | is there much work being done on a proper web browser for gta01/02 |
| 10:40.44 | badcloud | minimo doesn't cut it for you, Psi_? |
| 10:40.59 | Psi_ | pretty sure i tried that one |
| 10:41.06 | Psi_ | i tried all the ones i could find |
| 10:41.11 | Psi_ | they all had major problems |
| 10:41.15 | badcloud | major? |
| 10:41.30 | badcloud | as far as I can remember, speed was minimo's main issue |
| 10:41.34 | badcloud | hardly major |
| 10:41.51 | Psi_ | hm.. |
| 10:41.52 | badcloud | dillo was just limited, but it was fast as hell |
| 10:42.14 | badcloud | the only one I have beef with is midori |
| 10:42.37 | badcloud | no comfortable viewing config without having to have a field day with a stylus |
| 10:42.48 | badcloud | and no way to enter a url?? f*** that |
| 10:42.58 | Psi_ | yeah, stuff like that |
| 10:43.34 | badcloud | I think dillo and minimo are the perfect couple |
| 10:48.43 | pundiramit | my application caught a weird issue.. it is taking the bottom-left corner as origin.. is it correct? I think it(origin) should be at top-left corner of screen. |
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| 12:18.36 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r2a8231b3a4f4 10/framework/patterns/asyncworker.py: asyncworker: catch and log exceptions thrown by the work units |
| 12:18.37 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * r1d4a6f96edf5 10/framework/resource.py: resource: fix callback name |
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| 12:55.40 | Alesis-Novik | A quick question, how long does the battery (stock one) usually hold? |
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| 13:15.17 | Zorkman_ | Alesis-Novik: depends on what you use it for |
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| 14:01.52 | badcloud | shit, http://rabenfrost.net/debian/debian-armel-xfce.tar.bz2 is down |
| 14:02.16 | badcloud | anyone know some precompiled images? |
| 14:02.27 | badcloud | urls for, I meant |
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| 14:25.17 | badcloud | what is with shr unstable? tar won't un-gzip |
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| 14:25.17 | badcloud | and opkg can't seem to find a newer version of tar |
| 14:25.18 | badcloud | didn't have this problem with 2008.12 |
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| 14:27.39 | badcloud | aaaaaaaaaarg |
| 14:28.34 | badcloud | why didn't the writer of the debian install script include an option to use 'gzip -d' when 'tar xz' fails? |
| 14:28.42 | SM2k | badcloud: the tar format hasn't changed in a *****long***** time |
| 14:29.02 | badcloud | it's the .gz format I'm talking about |
| 14:29.16 | badcloud | tar won't unzip the . gz compression |
| 14:29.16 | SM2k | I did see this once. tragic... I had intermittent corruption, so I decided to re-install |
| 14:29.27 | SM2k | I tar-gzipped my home dir and re-isntalled |
| 14:30.08 | SM2k | only to find out later the actual problem was that I had bad ram, so gzip itself failed even tho the binary was technically correct |
| 14:30.27 | badcloud | actually, gzip is working fine |
| 14:30.53 | badcloud | and the phone is barely a half a year old |
| 14:30.57 | SM2k | as in, you gzip and un-gzip test things |
| 14:31.01 | badcloud | yeah |
| 14:31.16 | SM2k | but attempting to stream stuff thru tar fails? |
| 14:31.22 | badcloud | right |
| 14:31.23 | SM2k | in general or in a specific case? |
| 14:31.33 | badcloud | two separate cases |
| 14:31.48 | badcloud | so in general I'd say |
| 14:31.55 | SM2k | ok. explain "fail" |
| 14:32.14 | badcloud | invalid option -z |
| 14:32.19 | SM2k | nice |
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| 14:32.29 | badcloud | I'll say :) |
| 14:32.45 | badcloud | wanted to reinstall tar |
| 14:32.51 | badcloud | but couldn't find any opk/ipk |
| 14:32.54 | badcloud | anywhere |
| 14:33.38 | badcloud | as I said, it happened to me as well running 2008.12 |
| 14:33.45 | badcloud | but opkg install tar fixed that |
| 14:33.54 | badcloud | tar just updated from what I gathered last time |
| 14:34.22 | SM2k | but the debian mirror is down |
| 14:34.35 | SM2k | (I didn't investigate, I'm taking you at your word) |
| 14:34.51 | badcloud | thanks |
| 14:34.59 | badcloud | well, then trying to install is pointless anyway |
| 14:35.35 | SM2k | I might be able to dig up an shr-copy.... but it's doubtless compiled with different dynamic libs |
| 14:35.55 | badcloud | thanks |
| 14:36.04 | badcloud | I'll just reinstall sometime and try again |
| 14:36.27 | badcloud | bah |
| 14:36.47 | SM2k | wait a minute. but it's never happened to me with 2008 series. something's fishy. |
| 14:36.58 | badcloud | BusyBox v1.13.2 (2009-01-22 20:04:41 CET) multi-call binary |
| 14:37.06 | badcloud | Usage: tar -[cxtvO] [-X FILE] [-f TARFILE] [-C DIR] [FILE(s)]... |
| 14:37.20 | badcloud | no -z as far as I can see |
| 14:37.47 | SM2k | I think in my case tar is separate from bb |
| 14:37.59 | badcloud | touche |
| 14:38.54 | badcloud | I'm gonna shower. maybe that will calm my nerves... |
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| 14:39.05 | SM2k | you could try breaking something |
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| 14:46.24 | badcloud | just might ;) |
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| 15:32.52 | badcloud | anyone remember the delete all mdbus command string? I forgot to back it up before reinstalling shr |
| 15:33.00 | badcloud | *delete all sms |
| 15:39.23 | mickeyl | you can construct it by iteratively call mdbus -s |
| 15:39.28 | mickeyl | first, pick the service |
| 15:39.31 | mickeyl | then, pick the object |
| 15:39.36 | mickeyl | then, pick the method |
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| 15:39.44 | mickeyl | lastly, pick the parameters, if applicable |
| 15:39.59 | mickeyl | mdbus will assist you in telling what's available |
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| 15:43.10 | badcloud | someone spoonfed me with it the other day |
| 15:43.36 | badcloud | I'm not intuitive or knowledgeable enough about mdbus to crack that one |
| 15:43.39 | badcloud | but thanks |
| 15:43.52 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 15:43.54 | mickeyl | it should really be simple |
| 15:43.59 | mickeyl | just with mdbus -s |
| 15:44.06 | mickeyl | look what it prints |
| 15:44.16 | mickeyl | then append it to the command to find out more |
| 15:44.20 | mickeyl | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd |
| 15:44.24 | mickeyl | look again |
| 15:44.32 | mickeyl | append it to the command to find out more |
| 15:44.41 | mickeyl | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device |
| 15:44.43 | mickeyl | ... |
| 15:46.06 | badcloud | I'll try it soon |
| 15:46.09 | badcloud | thanks |
| 15:46.37 | badcloud | SM2k, flashed newest rootfs image of shr unstable |
| 15:47.04 | badcloud | no change, debian ./install script quits after tar's 'invalid option -z' complaint |
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| 15:49.32 | lunartear | how are things coming along for the neofreerunner? |
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| 15:49.37 | badcloud | I need some air |
| 15:49.41 | badcloud | later gaters |
| 15:50.22 | lunartear | some of you said it wasnt very stable last time I checked |
| 15:51.25 | SM2k | root@om-gta02 ~ $ tar |
| 15:51.25 | SM2k | BusyBox v1.13.2 (2009-03-02 20:41:31 CET) multi-call binary |
| 15:51.25 | SM2k | Usage: tar -[cxtvO] [-X FILE] [-f TARFILE] [-C DIR] [FILE(s)]... |
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| 15:52.31 | SM2k | hot diggity. I lied. :-/ tar: invalid option -- z |
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| 15:56.43 | SM2k | badcloud, do you absolutely have to have tar on the phone or are you simply trying to get a single extract? |
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| 15:58.45 | lindi- | SM2k: install.sh needs tar |
| 15:58.50 | trupheenix | !rc.local |
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| 16:00.41 | SM2k | well if you can harness a workstation, I'm betting some horrid hack involving alias and netcat could be contrived :-) |
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| 16:05.46 | badcloud | SM2k, the debian ./install script is exclusively dependent on tar |
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| 16:10.42 | lunartear | has the GTA02v6 been released? |
| 16:11.13 | beer_ | I think so. Mine should be v6 |
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| 16:11.39 | lunartear | nvm it says at the top, I missed it |
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| 16:12.07 | beer_ | as far as I know v was with the gpers/sd card fixed (witch mine have) |
| 16:12.10 | lunartear | it says all public released at this time are v6 |
| 16:13.01 | lunartear | how usable are they currently? reliable for phone/sms? |
| 16:14.12 | beer_ | if you are using qt improved ot SHR with the hardware bugfizz it works well as a normal phone |
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| 16:19.21 | lunartear | hmm |
| 16:19.37 | lunartear | openmoko doesnt offer any warranty? |
| 16:21.53 | beer_ | what king of warranty are you looking for? |
| 16:24.50 | lunartear | i was looking at the distributors list and most offered a 1/2 yr warranty, but the openmoko direct site says "non" |
| 16:24.53 | lunartear | "none" |
| 16:26.15 | beer_ | then dont buy it direct from openmoko but from a distributorer with 1/2 years of warranty, |
| 16:26.48 | Digital_Pioneer | lunartear: Most prototypes don't have warranties, AFAIK. |
| 16:29.59 | lunartear | prototypes? |
| 16:30.03 | lunartear | hmm |
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| 16:44.07 | beer_ | I tought that gta01 was the prototype |
| 16:45.18 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r3ffd7da68f52 10/libfsoframework/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fsoframework: fix dbus test |
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| 16:58.52 | wurp2|working | beer_: You are correct |
| 16:59.24 | wurp2|working | Digital_Pioneer: FR is not a prototype, or at least was not marketed as one |
| 17:00.24 | Digital_Pioneer | Meh, it's prototype enough for me. Hahah |
| 17:00.48 | wurp2|working | True :-( |
| 17:00.52 | wurp2|working | I own a gta01 |
| 17:00.58 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh. |
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| 17:01.09 | wurp2|working | Which as far as I can tell has much better hardware design, at least as far as reliability goes |
| 17:01.29 | Digital_Pioneer | Hahahah |
| 17:01.42 | wurp2|working | Of course, sometimes I miss wifi & accelerometers |
| 17:02.06 | tore | any ninjatricks to get the scrollbars in SHR bigger? can't scroll down at any menus :< |
| 17:02.11 | wurp2|working | But I don't miss buzzing, gps not working well with SD, and video bus being shared with sd |
| 17:03.35 | TAsn | tore, no need for ninja |
| 17:03.39 | TAsn | just modify the gtkrc |
| 17:04.05 | TAsn | google for gtkrc for more info. |
| 17:04.05 | TAsn | and btw, when you find the right size |
| 17:04.10 | TAsn | please open a bug in shr trac and add your values ;] |
| 17:04.16 | TAsn | I would like to have it as well. |
| 17:04.32 | wurp2|working | tore: Me too, please |
| 17:04.38 | tore | yeah, working on it |
| 17:04.40 | tore | :) |
| 17:04.41 | wurp2|working | An email to shr-users is probably in order |
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| 17:04.59 | TAsn | wurp2|working, shr-devel will suit better |
| 17:05.02 | wurp2|working | You too can be a hero |
| 17:05.07 | TAsn | wurp2|working, lol. ;] |
| 17:05.10 | wurp2|working | TAsn: I figured the bug had that one covered |
| 17:05.26 | TAsn | wurp2|working, oh, I thought you meant instead of the bug. |
| 17:05.30 | TAsn | yeah, you are correct. ;] |
| 17:05.53 | wurp2|working | Nah, I meant instead of emailing you & I after filing the bug :-) |
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| 17:06.44 | TAsn | wurp2|working, I'm not a member in shr-users |
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| 17:07.02 | dos1 | tore: .gtkrc with correct scrollbar? |
| 17:07.08 | wurp2|working | TAsn: Are you an SHR user? |
| 17:07.14 | TAsn | <tore> yeah, working on it |
| 17:07.18 | TAsn | wurp2|working, yes. |
| 17:07.23 | dos1 | when you finish, send those lines to me, i will include it in SHR |
| 17:07.33 | wurp2|working | Then you should be! |
| 17:08.03 | TAsn | though I'm also a (kinda) busy man, I don't have time for viagra, fake watches and (mostly) stupid (and repetitive) questions. ;] |
| 17:09.07 | wurp2|working | TAsn: Hrm, I haven't seen any of the former stuff on the list |
| 17:09.25 | TAsn | I was just describing my mailbox. ;] |
| 17:09.28 | wurp2|working | But mostly I move stuff straight to archives... however an email with "fix for tiny scrollbars" would get my attention |
| 17:09.31 | TAsn | (with shr-user) |
| 17:09.33 | wurp2|working | ah |
| 17:09.42 | TAsn | without shr-user |
| 17:09.49 | TAsn | it's just viagra and fake watches. |
| 17:09.50 | TAsn | ;] |
| 17:11.38 | TAsn | food. |
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| 17:20.57 | PierreN | hi |
| 17:21.59 | tore | the scrollbars won't fucking work |
| 17:24.31 | TAsn | tore, check out the om2007.X gtkrc it had wide scrollbars (too wide in my opinion) but still you way get some pointers from there. |
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| 18:12.13 | thrashold | Is there any right click emulation in SHR? |
| 18:13.16 | thrashold | in Xfbdev on SHR |
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| 18:19.11 | thrashold | There was some python script that emulated right click with AUX+tap. But I can't seem to find it. Can anyone give me a hint where I can get it? :) |
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| 18:22.37 | dos1 | thrashold: Xfbdev on SHR? do you have GTA01? |
| 18:22.48 | thrashold | Yes |
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| 18:33.29 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, what format can I store my music in so that the FR can play it without cutting and skipping all the time?? |
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| 18:38.51 | badcloud | Digital_Pioneer, which distro? |
| 18:39.06 | Digital_Pioneer | SHR |
| 18:39.52 | badcloud | unstable? |
| 18:40.02 | bernt | Digital_Pioneer: how and which many other programs are running? |
| 18:40.08 | badcloud | man, it's taking forever to suspend on the latest shr-lite and kernel |
| 18:41.00 | dos1 | badcloud: suspend doesn't work at all with frameworkd. it works on SHR only because I added fallback to "apm -s" some time before |
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| 18:41.09 | dos1 | yes, i know, i should use some /sys node :P |
| 18:41.37 | badcloud | what's the illume suspend button linked to in the power button menu? |
| 18:41.49 | badcloud | because it seems to work after half a minute |
| 18:42.04 | badcloud | you added that? nice |
| 18:42.53 | badcloud | can't you tell the shr power settings to use auto apm -s after x minutes? |
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| 18:43.51 | badcloud | dos1? |
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| 18:44.20 | dos1 | badcloud: no. it should work with frameworkd. it doesn't work for only few days. |
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| 18:44.41 | badcloud | what do you mean a few days? |
| 18:44.52 | badcloud | it's a bug that wears off? |
| 18:45.09 | dos1 | yes, it's a bug |
| 18:45.20 | dos1 | few days - it stopped working for me at sunday |
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| 18:46.17 | gustavold | j #openmoko-cdevel |
| 18:46.24 | gustavold | j #openmoko-cdevel |
| 18:46.39 | gustavold | lol |
| 18:46.47 | badcloud | hasn't been working for me at all |
| 18:46.53 | badcloud | and I just flashed |
| 18:47.50 | badcloud | well, I'm off |
| 18:47.58 | transylvania | ok, android installed, but can I find a 64bits adb somewhere ? |
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| 18:52.25 | dos1 | badcloud: that commit broke suspend: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blobdiff;f=framework/resource.py;h=c54d766390354c791992f90f46dfec3e992cc8fd;hp=4faec7872c0b0427bdee454ef5282db091a99d7d;hb=9f17c047cb47f5076cbc7024c8f512471f75274a;hpb=12de19b81e0f4031c2bd0f8d11c00bdaa2e6d86a |
| 18:52.53 | dos1 | and that commit seens to fix that: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blobdiff;f=framework/resource.py;h=757e05085f26dc968f51d013d4e7ba12f2beee97;hp=c54d766390354c791992f90f46dfec3e992cc8fd;hb=1d4a6f96edf56531c891533bb7e704e2c950943b;hpb=2a8231b3a4f4a7c8e60d128bc7df602a5d75bcbe |
| 18:53.01 | dos1 | i'm building new package to test it |
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| 19:04.31 | dos1 | badcloud: ok, i can confirm - it's fixed. you only have to wait until updated packages come to repo ;) |
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| 19:33.57 | badcloud1 | my fr resumes like crazy with the new kernel/shr unstable |
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| 19:34.50 | badcloud1 | seems kernel related |
| 19:35.43 | slaxxer | i have the todays fso unstable |
| 19:35.55 | slaxxer | 27th |
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| 19:36.15 | slaxxer | zhone is gone |
| 19:36.40 | slaxxer | had to replace andys stable |
| 19:36.46 | badcloud1 | how is that for you, slaxxer? |
| 19:37.08 | badcloud1 | what replaced zhone? |
| 19:37.11 | slaxxer | its working |
| 19:37.31 | dos1 | badcloud1: it's not kernel. it's fso issue. |
| 19:37.37 | dos1 | and issue is not with resuming. |
| 19:37.40 | dos1 | it doesn't suspend |
| 19:37.41 | dos1 | :P |
| 19:37.47 | dos1 | it only fallbacks to "apn -s" |
| 19:38.02 | slaxxer | 2.6.29 rc2 |
| 19:38.27 | slaxxer | i dont think it fully suspends |
| 19:38.40 | dos1 | it's bug in frameworkd |
| 19:38.44 | dos1 | slaxxer: ^^^^ |
| 19:38.54 | dos1 | introduced by this commit: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blobdiff;f=framework/resource.py;h=c54d766390354c791992f90f46dfec3e992cc8fd;hp=4faec7872c0b0427bdee454ef5282db091a99d7d;hb=9f17c047cb47f5076cbc7024c8f512471f75274a;hpb=12de19b81e0f4031c2bd0f8d11c00bdaa2e6d86a |
| 19:38.55 | slaxxer | no power off menu |
| 19:39.32 | slaxxer | how to fix? |
| 19:39.55 | dos1 | slaxxer: wait for mickey|bbl. he broke, he have to fix it :P |
| 19:40.02 | slaxxer | :) |
| 19:41.34 | badcloud1 | dos1, that sucks |
| 19:41.35 | dos1 | in meantime you can revert that commit by hand |
| 19:42.54 | badcloud1 | how, dos1? |
| 19:43.23 | dos1 | badcloud1: look at that site, and edit /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/resource.py file |
| 19:43.55 | badcloud1 | thanks |
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| 19:59.48 | badcloud2 | apm -s seems almost futile |
| 19:59.53 | badcloud2 | it wakes up after two sec |
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| 20:01.10 | bove | Anyone running 1.5 on the Freerunner yet? |
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| 20:03.20 | dos1 | badcloud2: as it's supposed. |
| 20:03.32 | badcloud2 | really? |
| 20:03.35 | badcloud2 | why is that? |
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| 20:04.39 | lindi- | badcloud2: gsm wakes it up |
| 20:05.00 | badcloud2 | is there a way to avoid that? |
| 20:05.23 | lindi- | badcloud2: tell gsm not to wake you up needlessly |
| 20:05.35 | dos1 | badcloud2: cd /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/framework/ ; rm resource.py; wget http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/resource.py |
| 20:05.48 | lindi- | dos1: what? |
| 20:05.50 | badcloud2 | thanks, dos1 |
| 20:06.06 | dos1 | lindi-: version without recent suspend changed |
| 20:06.13 | dos1 | before breakage ;) |
| 20:06.20 | lindi- | dos1: what breakage? |
| 20:06.31 | dos1 | lindi-: suspend breakage in frameworkd |
| 20:06.38 | dos1 | lindi-: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blobdiff;f=framework/resource.py;h=c54d766390354c791992f90f46dfec3e992cc8fd;hp=4faec7872c0b0427bdee454ef5282db091a99d7d;hb=9f17c047cb47f5076cbc7024c8f512471f75274a;hpb=12de19b81e0f4031c2bd0f8d11c00bdaa2e6d86a |
| 20:06.57 | lindi- | ah |
| 20:07.00 | johnsu01 | dos1: is that breakage why frameworkd died overnight while on suspend for me? |
| 20:07.32 | dos1 | johnsu01: i suppose yes |
| 20:07.33 | dos1 | ;) |
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| 20:10.34 | johnsu01 | I have to investigate more later, but basically after updating yesterday frameworkd was seriously misbehaving |
| 20:10.56 | dos1 | johnsu01: and you suspended in meantime? |
| 20:11.00 | dos1 | suspend is broken |
| 20:11.07 | johnsu01 | dos1: no, the supend issue was before that update |
| 20:11.14 | johnsu01 | two nights ago I think |
| 20:11.28 | dos1 | it wants to suspend every resource, even when it's disabled |
| 20:11.40 | dos1 | johnsu01: now there is another suspend issue |
| 20:11.47 | dos1 | which brokes GSM as well :P |
| 20:12.01 | johnsu01 | hm I see |
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| 20:13.08 | badcloud2 | testing the suspend after the resource.py switch |
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| 20:15.58 | badcloud2 | does it require a reboot, dos1? |
| 20:16.10 | badcloud2 | or rather, which service needs to be restarted? |
| 20:16.29 | dos1 | badcloud2: frameworkd of course |
| 20:16.31 | dos1 | and ophonekitd |
| 20:16.36 | badcloud2 | ok, thanks |
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| 20:18.10 | badcloud2 | how do I restart ophonekitd? |
| 20:18.37 | dos1|neo | killall -9 ophonekitd |
| 20:18.59 | dos1|neo | and then run shr-settings ;) |
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| 20:19.29 | badcloud2 | thanks yet again |
| 20:19.34 | badcloud2 | :) |
| 20:20.31 | badcloud2 | looks like I might need to reboot |
| 20:20.41 | badcloud2 | can't see any major change |
| 20:20.51 | badcloud2 | just wakes up as usual after 2 secs |
| 20:21.42 | dos1|neo | it should suspend after ~5 secs |
| 20:22.02 | dos1|neo | if it takes longer, bug is still there |
| 20:22.41 | badcloud2 | well, I'm interested in it not waking up unless there is an incoming call or message |
| 20:22.49 | badcloud2 | otherwise, let it snooze for all I care |
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| 20:23.24 | nqe1 | good day. |
| 20:23.50 | nqe1 | would anyone know how to get USb networking working on debian install. |
| 20:24.00 | lindi- | nqe1: sure |
| 20:24.06 | lindi- | nqe1: debian on both sides? |
| 20:24.21 | nqe1 | kernel .28 BSOD xp laptop. |
| 20:24.34 | lindi- | xp laptop? then I know nothing about it sorry |
| 20:24.39 | nqe1 | no running .29, no crash, but no network either... |
| 20:24.50 | nqe1 | doh |
| 20:25.13 | nqe1 | I'm stuck with xp this week as I'm not at home this week |
| 20:25.43 | dos1|neo | badcloud2: when suspend takes longer, it fallbacks to apm -s |
| 20:25.43 | nqe1 | lindi: you running debian .29? |
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| 20:25.59 | badcloud2 | I realize |
| 20:26.12 | dos1|neo | and then it's "supposed" that it wakes up on any gsm activity |
| 20:26.21 | badcloud2 | but isn't there a form of suspend that won't wake after 5 or so seconds? |
| 20:26.24 | lindi- | nqe1: git head |
| 20:26.49 | lindi- | nqe1: debian with linux andy-tracking 9ecc089861ab2 |
| 20:27.08 | nqe1 | andy is fs, right? |
| 20:27.09 | badcloud2 | or is that resource.py supposed to fix that |
| 20:27.17 | lindi- | nqe1: fs? |
| 20:27.24 | nqe1 | jffs2 |
| 20:27.29 | badcloud2 | rebooted with the new resource.py, looks fine now |
| 20:27.33 | lindi- | nqe1: huh? andy is a kernel developer :) |
| 20:27.34 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * reebf7660265f 10/src/Makefile.am: |
| 20:27.34 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Fix build system for Vala 0.7 |
| 20:27.34 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
| 20:27.42 | nqe1 | my bad |
| 20:27.44 | dos1|neo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.46 | badcloud2 | I should get going |
| 20:28.04 | badcloud2 | thanks for the info and help, dos1 |
| 20:29.20 | nqe1 | lindi: I took mine from the fyp download @ http://opensvn.csie.org/fyp/data/kernels/debian/2.6.29/ |
| 20:30.39 | lindi- | nqe1: imho it is just wrong to put binaries to SVN :( |
| 20:32.09 | nqe1 | indeed, but it did not crash my xp. which made me smile... |
| 20:32.42 | lindi- | how about fixing your xp :P |
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| 20:37.26 | nqe1 | If I could do that... I wouldn't have bought a freerunner :-( |
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| 20:40.45 | nqe1 | i'll just try some kernels on my cf card ;-) |
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| 20:42.41 | nqe1 | lindi: so how'd you like running debian on your phone, workable? |
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| 20:44.20 | lindi- | nqe1: the proprietary OS is buggy and ruins reliability :( |
| 20:44.26 | lindi- | nqe1: (in the GSM chip) |
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| 20:47.47 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07vala-dbus-binding-tool * rddd235f360c5 10/src/vala-dbus-binding-tool.vala: |
| 20:47.47 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Fix for GLib.Dir API breakout |
| 20:47.47 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
| 20:49.42 | lindi- | can somebody please forward me the output of "lsusb -vvv" so that I can see what endpoints g_ether uses? the cpu of my fr is stopped under a debugger, can't test easily :) |
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| 20:51.31 | nqe1 | when I'm done skyping with my girl, I'll risk hooking the OM up to xp... and lsusb -vvv for you |
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| 20:52.50 | Digital_Pioneer | nqe1: You're going to see how XP identifies itself over USB? |
| 20:53.34 | nqe1 | nope is for 'lindi', but my xp can crash.. |
| 20:53.49 | lindi- | nqe1: but i'd need lsmod from PC sid |
| 20:53.52 | lindi- | +e |
| 20:54.09 | lindi- | but nevermind, I already had to reboot to new kernel.. |
| 21:01.25 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03ptitjes 07libfso-glib * r2e2a34d2c289 10/src/Makefile.am: |
| 21:01.25 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Fix bad source files for valac |
| 21:01.25 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Didier 'Ptitjes <ptitjes@free.fr> |
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| 21:17.20 | nqe | *just recovered from bsod by attattaching usb* |
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| 21:35.54 | Alesis-Novik | Hmm, is debian a good OS to run on neo freerunner? |
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| 21:38.22 | nqe | Alesis-Novik: to it's probably the os with most future. any good? I can't say I'm using it as my default phone yet. |
| 21:39.22 | nqe | just create multiboot & test some out. |
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| 21:53.28 | novalis_dt | My freeRunner suddenly stopped being able to connect to GSM. Any ideas? I tried: rebooting; reseating the sim and rebooting. |
| 21:54.19 | wurp2|working | Can you get to the SIM at all? e.g. bringing up your contact list? |
| 21:54.43 | novalis_dt | Yes, I can bring up my contact list |
| 21:55.36 | novalis_dt | I am using 2008.12, I think, if that helps any |
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| 21:56.38 | wurp2|working | novalis_dt: ugh |
| 21:56.56 | wurp2|working | afaik the 2008 series is totally unsupported now |
| 21:57.04 | novalis_dt | So I should be using what/ |
| 21:57.05 | novalis_dt | ? |
| 21:57.08 | wurp2|working | I know SHR has developers on it, as does debian |
| 21:57.18 | novalis_dt | SHR? |
| 21:57.25 | wurp2|working | Or FSO if you just want the very basic phone functionality |
| 21:57.30 | novalis_dt | ah |
| 21:57.42 | wurp2|working | SHR is a community release built on top of FSO |
| 21:57.50 | wurp2|working | I use it as my daily phone |
| 21:58.05 | wurp2|working | The developers hang out in #openmoko-cdevel |
| 21:58.27 | novalis_dt | Can you recommend a release for SHR? |
| 21:58.37 | wurp2|working | I know the April 16 release is good |
| 21:58.41 | wurp2|working | I think the later one is, too |
| 21:58.52 | wurp2|working | But the latest shr-testing should always be good |
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| 21:59.27 | novalis_dt | ok, thanks. I'll try it... |
| 21:59.33 | wurp2|working | That said, if you were able to connect to GSM, and you didn't update any software on your phone and now you can't, I'm not sure SHR will make a difference |
| 21:59.41 | novalis_dt | Can't hurt. |
| 22:00.02 | wurp2|working | However, if you still have the problem, you can check the gsm connection with a gui, and you can monitor dbus traffic to see if there's a problem |
| 22:00.18 | wurp2|working | And developers in #openmoko-cdevel are usually quite responsive with help |
| 22:00.50 | novalis_dt | cool, thanks. |
| 22:03.16 | wurp2|working | yw |
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| 22:11.10 | saracen | How can I tell what version of the GTA02 I have? |
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| 22:18.04 | max_posedon | saracen, if you don't know, it is gta02v06 |
| 22:19.30 | saracen | Based upon what logic? |
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| 22:27.37 | Alesis-Novik | Does reflashing a few times affect the phone in any negative way? |
| 22:28.08 | viq | The flash inside has a limited lifespan, counted in number of writes. |
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| 22:29.26 | |Marco| | is ther anyone that can point me to info on why that is, when it comes to most flash storage? |
| 22:30.07 | viq | you need to use higher voltage to store information in it, and that burns out the cells |
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| 22:32.51 | Alesis-Novik | the other question will be: are there any currently know issues with the debian autoinstaller? |
| 22:33.27 | |Marco| | viq: right, I remember someone telling me about that. What sort of cells are we talking about? technical info if you know |
| 22:34.03 | viq | I don't. "the inner workings of flash memory" |
| 22:35.02 | shellevil | It's basically a tradeoff between cycle life, technology of production, initial reliability, and cost |
| 22:37.37 | |Marco| | I was thinking about what the cells are made of |
| 22:38.19 | shellevil | silicon |
| 22:38.27 | shellevil | doped randomly |
| 22:38.32 | |Marco| | okayokay :P |
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| 22:43.23 | shellevil | Well - very nonrandomly using deep-UV phase-shift masks, and billion dollar fabs, but... |
| 22:45.08 | Weiss | short answer to the original question: no need to worry about it any more than you'd worry about your USB memory stick dying |
| 22:45.21 | shellevil | no |
| 22:45.29 | emmentaler | is there a way to get /dev/dsp working? snd-*-oss doesnt really work.. |
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| 23:01.21 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r633ffc7bb9bb 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ogsmd: Implement org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.GetRTC() -> (i) |
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| 23:19.03 | gustavold | How do I create a new shortcut (launcher) on the desktop? |
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| 23:30.44 | Weiss | gustavold: add a file in /usr/share/applications |
| 23:32.47 | gustavold | Weiss: thanks |
| 23:35.56 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-terminal * r26df690e5c08 10/ (ChangeLog src/mainwindow.vala): add fullscreen button |
| 23:35.57 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07vala-terminal * r2f849c5690d8 10/src/ (mainwindow.vala terminal.vala): header fix |
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