| 00:03.15 | rooly | jpwdsm, odd |
| 00:08.16 | jpwdsm | rooly I just reflashed om2009 earlier today too |
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| 00:23.29 | shellevil | droger: 5-6 kbytes/sec |
| 00:23.42 | jpwdsm | rooly is there any point in reflashing again |
| 00:23.42 | shellevil | is what I've gotten in practice |
| 00:26.08 | rooly | jpwdsm: have you tried rebooting? |
| 00:26.11 | rooly | can you make phone calls? |
| 00:27.32 | jpwdsm | yeah, and receive |
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| 00:28.05 | droger | shellevil: thanks |
| 00:29.25 | droger | AT%N0187 |
| 00:33.17 | droger | and after that AT command, I cannot get a connection to check if the echo is gone... :( Anyone had that issue? |
| 00:37.41 | jpwdsm | rooly tried rebooting, sending an sms to myself again, still nothing |
| 00:37.50 | jpwdsm | :-/ |
| 00:38.25 | rooly | hmm |
| 00:38.43 | rooly | maybe you could try and run a dbus command to collect them |
| 00:38.54 | rooly | see what kind of problem is happening |
| 00:39.54 | jpwdsm | ok |
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| 02:05.08 | Digital_Pioneer | So when the ink in my stylus pen runs out, how do I get more? |
| 02:05.31 | Toaster` | Use another pen? |
| 02:05.56 | Digital_Pioneer | But if I use another pen, then I'll have no stylus. |
| 02:06.18 | Toaster` | I use the aft end of my pen for that |
| 02:06.21 | Digital_Pioneer | Assuming I wish to only carry one pen-shaped object on my person at any given time. |
| 02:06.42 | Digital_Pioneer | Meh, it's bigger than an actual stylus... |
| 02:06.57 | Toaster` | a bit of practice and you're usually good. |
| 02:07.08 | Toaster` | though I can still do most things with my finger |
| 02:07.16 | Digital_Pioneer | Yes, but there's also the 'cool' factor of the stylus/pen. ;) |
| 02:07.42 | Toaster` | And the laser, never forget the laser... |
| 02:07.50 | Digital_Pioneer | My batteries died. |
| 02:08.58 | Toaster` | your laser is suffering from energetic dysfunction? That's depressing |
| 02:10.50 | Digital_Pioneer | Chronic 'juice' deficiency. |
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| 02:30.12 | slaxxer | stylus is 2.50 dollars somewhere |
| 02:30.23 | slaxxer | that seems too cheap |
| 02:30.49 | slaxxer | thats cheaper than batteries |
| 02:34.40 | slaxxer | http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/spares-pack |
| 02:35.04 | slaxxer | my mistake its 2.95 dollars |
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| 02:35.38 | mwester | Well. |
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| 02:35.49 | mwester | That 45 cents makes all the difference! ;-) |
| 02:36.02 | slaxxer | im not gettin 1 either |
| 02:36.17 | slaxxer | cause i still have 1 |
| 02:36.31 | mwester | is it the same one you get with the gta01 big box? |
| 02:36.35 | mwester | I have one of those... |
| 02:36.38 | slaxxer | i guess i will just spend the 5 bucks |
| 02:36.53 | slaxxer | i dought it |
| 02:37.03 | mwester | I'm told they're good for cats |
| 02:37.21 | slaxxer | to blind the maybe |
| 02:38.20 | slaxxer | why is super Dave missing ? |
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| 02:39.06 | slaxxer | or was he just another alter ego of yours? |
| 02:39.11 | slaxxer | :) |
| 02:39.46 | mwester | Maybe he said something to the chan op and got banned. |
| 02:40.21 | mwester | Or maybe Om grew tired of him breaking mokos, and sent ninjas after him. |
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| 03:38.20 | slaxxer | fso 5.5 anybody? |
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| 04:11.04 | slaxxer | yea it set its own time |
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| 05:12.15 | Kagee | Is there any way i can "stream" the raw gps data from å freerunner into a laptop? |
| 05:12.27 | Kagee | *from a* |
| 05:12.55 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 05:19.36 | ndnihil | Kagee: yes, via bluetooth |
| 05:19.44 | ndnihil | or any other networking method |
| 05:19.59 | ndnihil | just make gpsd listen on whatever interface you want to read from |
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| 05:41.22 | Kagee | but how would i stream the gps data from the neo? |
| 05:41.43 | ndnihil | gpsd handles that |
| 05:41.53 | ndnihil | gpsd takes gps data, and makes it available over network |
| 05:42.54 | Kagee | ok, so if i have the phone connected via usb, what do i tell my laptop to listen on? |
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| 05:47.21 | ndnihil | you tell the client application on your laptop to look to gpsd on the phone |
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| 06:04.05 | Kagee | ndnihil: no gps/connection refused |
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| 06:13.34 | Kagee | hmm, i'm using fso, so i appears to use fso-gpsd, and not gpsd ... |
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| 06:36.45 | ndnihil | gpsd and fso-gpsd listen on the same port |
| 06:36.58 | ndnihil | it probably only binds to localhost by default |
| 06:37.07 | ndnihil | you'll have to modify the config so it will listen on other interfaces |
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| 06:37.46 | Kagee | yeah, i just found it, and startet another fso-gpsd on 192.168.0.202 |
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| 06:40.58 | PaulFertser | Kagee: beware, fso-gpsd implements only a subset of the original gpsd's features. OTOH it has a transparent integration with FSO. |
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| 06:41.34 | Kagee | tangogps seamed to work when i connected it from my laptop, so i guess that works |
| 06:42.05 | Kagee | but i would wery much like to run onlt one fso-gpsd-prosess (that listened on BOTH localhost && 192.168.0.202) |
| 06:42.14 | Kagee | *only |
| 06:43.02 | ndnihil | you can have it listen to all available interfaces if I'm not mistaken |
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| 06:57.16 | methril|work | good morning |
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| 07:02.20 | Kagee | aha, i had to rewrite the init.d-script to start it with no adress, only port |
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| 08:01.09 | pundiramit | hi.. any help on this error would be gr8.........ERROR: Multiple .bb files are due to be built which each provide virtual/xserver (/media/disk/home/amit/openmoko/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive-glamo_1.3.0.0+git.bb /media/disk/home/amit/openmoko/org.openembedded.dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive_1.3.0.0.bb). |
| 08:01.12 | pundiramit | This usually means one provides something the other doesn't and should. |
| 08:01.22 | pundiramit | how to workaround this issue |
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| 10:15.29 | jonkristian | Hello people, what's up? |
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| 10:34.26 | Laevar | hi |
| 10:35.01 | Laevar | is there a way to force the usb-charging to never use more than 500mA ? |
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| 10:35.12 | Laevar | i can force to use *more* but i will limit it |
| 10:36.01 | Laevar | after pluggin in the usb-charger it negiotiates 100mA which the usb-charger doesn't support really and stops charging |
| 10:36.08 | Laevar | 1000mA |
| 10:36.18 | Laevar | with 500mA it functions fine |
| 10:36.41 | Laevar | which sometimes happen , and sometimes not |
| 10:37.22 | Laevar | so there arises the question how to limit the charging current to 500mA |
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| 10:38.10 | lindi- | Laevar: why does it negotiate 1000mA? |
| 10:38.58 | Laevar | a good question |
| 10:39.12 | Laevar | i don't know |
| 10:40.31 | lindi- | Laevar: what kind of charger? |
| 10:40.43 | Laevar | its a sunload m5 battery used to be charged itself with solar panels |
| 10:41.38 | Laevar | http://www.sunload-shop.com/store_en/solar-modules-akkus/solar-powerbank/solar-powerbank-m5.html |
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| 10:42.22 | Laevar | as i said, sometimes it *does* charge with 500mA and then it charges the openmoko without problems |
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| 10:42.50 | Laevar | but most of the times it tries with 1000mA and the m5 stops charging because it hits its limit |
| 10:42.56 | Laevar | strange thing |
| 10:44.32 | jonkristian | Anyone using the shr lite image from testing dated 22. April , mine won't boot, get Unknown boot option ... |
| 10:44.35 | lindi- | Laevar: what kind of cable? |
| 10:44.59 | Laevar | lindi-: hm, its a standard usb-cable ? |
| 10:45.11 | lindi- | Laevar: so on ID pin5? |
| 10:45.14 | lindi- | s/on/no/ |
| 10:45.42 | Laevar | i don't know, how can i check ? |
| 10:46.06 | lindi- | Laevar: are schematics available? |
| 10:47.01 | Laevar | for the cable ? i don't think so |
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| 10:49.35 | lindi- | Laevar: hard to guess then :/ |
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| 10:50.39 | Laevar | lindi-: yes, but it is a hint. So perhaps i probably have to use another cable ? |
| 10:50.56 | lindi- | Laevar: how do you see it tries to use 1000mA? |
| 10:51.07 | Laevar | cat usb_curlim |
| 10:51.39 | Laevar | i basically set an watch on cat usb_curlim |
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| 10:59.31 | Laevar | lindi-: ok, i tried all my 3 cables, that at least doesn't help. Why did you asked, if it has ID pin 5 ? |
| 11:03.09 | lindi- | Laevar: since without that it should never use 1000mA |
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| 11:05.15 | Laevar | lindi-: ok, thats strange. watching usb_curlim is the correct way to determine the actual drain of current ? |
| 11:06.00 | Laevar | btw. charging with my pc is done at 500mA |
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| 11:19.58 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03jluebbe 07framework * rb325493722f7 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: |
| 11:19.58 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd [TI CALYPSO]: switch %CUNS back to 2 (no mixed solisticated/unsolisticated messages) |
| 11:19.58 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: %CUNS=0 exposed a bug in the %EM commands, which were losing some output lines. |
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| 11:25.20 | DocScrutinizer | Laevar: 1A charging *should* be enabled by kernel seeing the magic 47K resistor to GND from mini-USB ID-pin5. If there's no such magic R, 1A never should get enabled. If it still is it's a severe bug in your kernel. Please test with most recent kernel and a not too obsolete uBoot. If the problem persists, please open a ticket on openmoko.org trac, severity maximum |
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| 11:30.30 | Laevar | DocScrutinizer: at the moment i am using om-gta02 2.6.29-rc3 with qi bootloader from 22 april 2009. i will further look at the issue . thanks |
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| 11:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | wpwrak: join this channel! ;) |
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| 11:42.44 | DocScrutinizer | Laevar: could you please test if the overload situation occurs during uBoot or if things start to bork just when system gets booted up? To test I suggest to boot to uBoot menu (press AUX after inserting USB / pressing POWER) and keep this uBoot menu alive by frequent pressing AUX. Charging should start under "management" of uBoot - then check if it's 500 or 1A this moment |
| 11:43.13 | shellevil | Is it possible battery pack has 47K? |
| 11:43.50 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * rbd40c112e6fe 10/src/monitor.vala: |
| 11:43.50 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Moved NameOwnerCahnged from contruct to run |
| 11:43.50 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Add debug output to show which Systems are started |
| 11:43.50 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r4fc29a77b372 10/src/monitor.vala: moved Frameworkd to be started first |
| 11:43.52 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * rc46a52a4b3fc 10/src/device.vala: |
| 11:43.52 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: removed some debug output |
| 11:43.54 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: exceptions are forwarded to calling class |
| 11:43.59 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r8e69ca646faa 10/src/fso.vala: |
| 11:44.00 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: run throws Glib.Error |
| 11:44.02 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: call run for base class |
| 11:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | that's what Laevar seems to be unable to check, but he said he's using three different cables so chances are small to have 47k |
| 11:44.04 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r14ab60ef3b6e 10/src/gsm.vala: |
| 11:44.06 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: add throw GLib.Error for run() |
| 11:44.08 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: removed debug output |
| 11:44.12 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r4d0ab7f4c4f4 10/src/gsm.vala: changed busnames and paths to org.pyneo |
| 11:44.15 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * rf48890280db3 10/src/monitor.vala: |
| 11:44.17 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: handle errors for (Sub)system.run |
| 11:44.19 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: added timed_run to wait for frameworkd |
| 11:44.21 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * rb09c0d1c23b3 10/src/phone.vala: |
| 11:44.25 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: removed debug output |
| 11:44.27 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: handle Phone.Call.run error |
| 11:44.29 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r125a50e8a73b 10/src/usage.vala: |
| 11:44.31 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: run throws GLib.Error |
| 11:44.33 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: get usage object |
| 11:44.34 | shellevil | DocScrutinizer: ah - I should have read backscroll |
| 11:44.35 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r69e93e707eb4 10/src/preferences.vala: |
| 11:44.39 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: removed debug output |
| 11:44.41 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: adden throws GLib.Erro for run |
| 11:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | cia-storm |
| 11:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: probably a good idea to readout A/D result of pin5 anyway. Alas I have no idea how to do it in a sysfs-conform way |
| 11:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | though I suspect uBoot/Qi(!!) much more than kernel |
| 11:47.46 | shellevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.48 | shellevil | oh |
| 11:47.50 | shellevil | no |
| 11:48.58 | shellevil | has just woken up. |
| 11:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 11:48.59 | DocScrutinizer | some *I2C* foo I guess |
| 11:48.59 | DocScrutinizer | or *pmu* |
| 11:49.24 | shellevil | yeah |
| 11:49.43 | shellevil | Is the gta01 pin also connected to a/d? |
| 11:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | if Qi produces a glitch during boot, then powersupply OC-protection might cut out and lock |
| 11:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 11:50.59 | shellevil | gta01 - is the circuitry similar to 02? |
| 11:51.08 | shellevil | on the charging side |
| 11:51.18 | shellevil | though it can't do 1A IIRC |
| 11:51.34 | shellevil | not looked at that bit. |
| 11:51.54 | shellevil | Way too much boring stuff happening here. :/ |
| 11:52.10 | DocScrutinizer | nah, gta01 is different here. dunno exactly about id-pin |
| 11:52.34 | DocScrutinizer | on gta02 it's pmu ADCIN1 & ACCSW |
| 11:52.58 | shellevil | k, never mind. I should look it up. |
| 11:53.14 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: you got the schem, no? ;-) |
| 11:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | I open them rarely here nowadays |
| 11:53.38 | DocScrutinizer | (gta01) |
| 11:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | but PCF50606 can't do 1A |
| 11:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | so that's where the main diff is to GTA02 |
| 11:54.29 | shellevil | DocScrutinizer: yes - I've got the schematic - but ATM my main system is dead, and I can't easily read the schem on thtis monitor |
| 11:54.50 | shellevil | and my DSL is down at 160K... |
| 11:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | oh, should I really check this for you? |
| 11:54.52 | shellevil | Meh. |
| 11:54.54 | shellevil | No\ |
| 11:55.07 | shellevil | Idle thought, please don't bother - I wondered if you recalled |
| 11:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | ok then |
| 11:55.22 | DocScrutinizer | off for brunch |
| 11:55.40 | shellevil | off for wrestling with plastic sheeting in the rain. |
| 11:55.42 | shellevil | Yay! |
| 11:55.45 | shellevil | :/ |
| 11:55.48 | shellevil | Good luck! |
| 12:00.01 | DocScrutinizer | rain? poor fella. prety nice here |
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| 12:49.01 | emmentaler | my touchscreen is only half working after a dist-upgrade on debian |
| 12:49.25 | emmentaler | if i touch it, the backlight goes on, but the touch isnt recocnized.. |
| 12:49.52 | emmentaler | cat /dev/input/even1 shows data when i touch the screen |
| 12:50.00 | emmentaler | the xorgconf seems ok.. |
| 12:50.21 | emmentaler | any idea where to start troubleshooting? |
| 12:51.45 | shellevil | ponders, but has no inspiration. |
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| 12:55.44 | emmentaler | http://pastebin.com/m3cd2ed79 |
| 12:56.00 | emmentaler | found something interesting in xorg.conf.. |
| 12:56.05 | emmentaler | UnloadModule evdev |
| 12:56.27 | shellevil | that seems a bit odd |
| 12:57.14 | lindi- | emmentaler: that is a bug I reported weeks ago, please read bugs.debian.org |
| 12:57.29 | emmentaler | ok thanx |
| 12:57.37 | lindi- | emmentaler: bugs.debian.org/xserver-xorg-input-tslib |
| 12:57.40 | lindi- | emmentaler: first one |
| 12:58.07 | PaulFertser | lindi-: btw, congrats with fixing udc gadget bug! :) |
| 12:58.28 | lindi- | this might explain why I had so much trouble with gadgetfs in february |
| 12:59.21 | PaulFertser | You haven't tried to avoid loading any other gadget (like g_ether) before gadgetfs, have you? |
| 12:59.46 | PaulFertser | Because if you have, then it should work ok on the first try. |
| 13:00.07 | lindi- | PaulFertser: but i unloaded and reloaded gadgetfs a lot while adding printfs |
| 13:00.42 | PaulFertser | lindi-: well, at least now you have one problem less :) |
| 13:01.59 | lindi- | git show 3fc154b6b8134b98bb94d60cad9a46ec1ffbe372 shows that even Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> has Signed-off the version that does not call unbind() |
| 13:02.20 | lindi- | so i'd like to understand if it simply has been forgotten or if there was some reason for that |
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| 13:14.29 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i highly doubt you'll receive any answer at OM kernel list :( I guess as many other mainline drivers call unbind explicitly, that's what is supposed to be done... |
| 13:15.08 | PaulFertser | lindi-: To get comments you can just send you patch directly to linux-usb (if the driver is already there, and i guess it is, one still needs to check). |
| 13:15.09 | lindi- | PaulFertser: it even checks for the unbind pointer to be != NULL in the beginning |
| 13:17.04 | PaulFertser | lindi-: yeah, the intention might have been that unbind will be called by driver->disconnect probably, but usb_gadget_unregister_driver looks weird to me... |
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| 13:21.50 | Weiss | wonders if everyone knows what "Signed-off-by" is meant to mean |
| 13:22.21 | PaulFertser | Weiss: for that we read SubmittingPatches reguralry (not to forget) :) |
| 13:23.15 | PaulFertser | Weiss: And i suppose there was some code of Greg's there, that's why his S-O-B. Probably somebody could have damaged it... |
| 13:23.54 | Weiss | possibly |
| 13:24.25 | Weiss | but my point it that S-O-B is for tracking origin and copyright, not for saying "i certify that this patch is good" |
| 13:25.23 | Weiss | (though, of course, if a patch passes through someone's hands it's reasonable to expect that they think it's good..) |
| 13:27.46 | lindi- | how could I break on irq 53, the pcf50633 interrupt? |
| 13:28.00 | lindi- | interrupt vectors are not in 0 at least since that has just zeroes |
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| 15:35.37 | Myk0n | hi |
| 15:35.57 | Myk0n | I'm able to ping the device as 192.168.0.202 |
| 15:36.14 | Myk0n | but when I do ./adb shell it is told error: device not found |
| 15:36.37 | Myk0n | and I did issued: start-server before |
| 15:36.47 | Myk0n | can someone give me a hand here please? |
| 15:38.57 | Weiss | Myk0n: tried eth1? |
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| 15:40.08 | Myk0n | I didn't get your question |
| 15:40.12 | Myk0n | Weiss, |
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| 15:40.53 | Weiss | some recent changes make the Neo appear as eth1 to the host, rather than usb0 |
| 15:41.43 | Myk0n | but I issue adb on my laptop not on the device |
| 15:41.58 | Myk0n | and I'm able to ping the device's IP address |
| 15:42.17 | Myk0n | so the link is established |
| 15:42.29 | Myk0n | but adb isn't working |
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| 15:48.42 | alephnull | Myk0n: kill the server, put the interface down, bring the interface up and start the server. |
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| 15:52.22 | Myk0n | alephnull, didn't worked |
| 15:52.53 | alephnull | It usually does, here. |
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| 16:38.04 | Alesis-Novik | good day. I have just received my freerunner and I was wondering if I could ask a question (having some slight problems) |
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| 16:39.25 | slaxxer | ask away |
| 16:40.34 | Alesis-Novik | After plugging in my phone into the usb the screen lights up with the openmoko sign and then doesn't do anything. Is this the normal course of action? If so, when will I know that the battery is charged? |
| 16:41.16 | slaxxer | does it stay on or go back off? |
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| 16:41.40 | Alesis-Novik | it stays on |
| 16:42.04 | slaxxer | well then the battery must be ok |
| 16:42.40 | slaxxer | look at the usb networking in the wiki an install a current os |
| 16:42.42 | slaxxer | or |
| 16:43.10 | slaxxer | turn it off then try aux +power an then boot |
| 16:43.37 | wurp2|working | turn it off = hold power button for > 8 seconds, or pull the battery |
| 16:43.41 | mwester | They don't ship with a working image, do they? |
| 16:43.46 | wurp2|working | (while it's disconnected from the usb) |
| 16:44.05 | mwester | Alesis-Novik: did you flash a firmware image and kernel onto it yet? If not, follow the wiki instructions to do so. |
| 16:44.25 | slaxxer | hold the aux button(top left_ then push an hold the power button for a few seconds to get a little menu then select boot |
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| 16:46.00 | Alesis-Novik | I tried disconnecting and powering it off, but it doesn't seem to be responding |
| 16:46.13 | slaxxer | if not do what mwester said |
| 16:46.31 | slaxxer | remove the battery |
| 16:47.37 | slaxxer | i would downdoad a better os to your desktop to put on your phone anyways |
| 16:48.45 | Alesis-Novik | so I should first try putting a new os in and then charge it for the first time? |
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| 16:54.15 | Alesis-Novik | also, what os would you suggest I use? |
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| 16:58.18 | wurp2|working | Alesis-Novik: SHR :-) |
| 16:59.29 | slaxxer | change the kernel and change the rootfs |
| 16:59.59 | slaxxer | if your uboot version is old u may need to change tjhat to |
| 17:00.12 | Alesis-Novik | I was thinking of just flashing the OM 2008.12 |
| 17:00.47 | slaxxer | well it would be best to use something thats being further developed |
| 17:01.07 | slaxxer | 2008.12 is dead |
| 17:01.25 | slaxxer | fso,shr.debian |
| 17:01.45 | wurp2|working | has fso turned into something intended to be a 'real' release? |
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| 17:02.08 | slaxxer | i have 2.6.29 kernel an fsoo unstable rootfs |
| 17:02.23 | wurp2|working | slaxxer: Can you install stuff on it? |
| 17:02.28 | slaxxer | an works better than 2008.12 |
| 17:02.38 | slaxxer | certainly |
| 17:03.26 | slaxxer | if u change the usb networking commands a little |
| 17:04.31 | slaxxer | since the latest kernel is different |
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| 17:04.41 | Alesis-Novik | so I guess I'll go with shr for now... Does it still require to restart once a day? |
| 17:04.54 | slaxxer | probly |
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| 17:06.29 | Alesis-Novik | I think I would rather charge the phone first and then try flashing and so on. So I just plug it in or does something else supposed to happen? |
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| 17:10.33 | wurp2|working | I almost never restart my SHR install |
| 17:10.45 | wurp2|working | Well, maybe once every 4 days |
| 17:11.25 | Alesis-Novik | ok, got to the booting... First laugh ;) |
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| 17:21.16 | Alesis-Novik | I think I got it charging (if that's what the lightning icon means) |
| 17:25.44 | slaxxer | so what u do ? |
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| 17:26.03 | slaxxer | what desktop pic u see? |
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| 17:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | Alesis-Novik: first try booting *without* battery, just from wallcharger. If that succeeds you never again need to bother about "dead bat can't charge" issue |
| 17:26.21 | slaxxer | just reboot did it? |
| 17:26.45 | Alesis-Novik | no desktop picture |
| 17:27.08 | slaxxer | wait 3 minuits/ |
| 17:27.29 | DocScrutinizer | Alesis-Novik: Then charge bat by booting to system the device is shipped with, let it sit there for ~2h, it will charge usually, no matter what you see for indication |
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| 17:27.33 | slaxxer | no icons? |
| 17:27.58 | Alesis-Novik | there are the dialer, contacts... icons |
| 17:28.15 | slaxxer | uname -a/ |
| 17:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | Alesis-Novik: meanwhile download a more current OS for your FR. I'd suggest SHR-testing |
| 17:28.32 | slaxxer | fso unstable:) |
| 17:28.42 | slaxxer | doc is the man |
| 17:29.05 | Alesis-Novik | I'm letting it sit for now |
| 17:29.14 | Alesis-Novik | and deciding on the os :D |
| 17:29.28 | slaxxer | y get u some dfu installed to your linux desktop |
| 17:29.32 | DocScrutinizer | when charging finished (i.e. after 2h) you should reflash kernel and rootfs. probably also uBoot eventually, but that's not such a priority |
| 17:30.09 | slaxxer | no terminal icon? |
| 17:30.26 | Alesis-Novik | nope |
| 17:30.28 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: no, u-boot is a priority, the shipped one sucks too much. |
| 17:30.34 | slaxxer | so thats... |
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| 17:30.46 | slaxxer | y 2008.9 maybe |
| 17:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: ok, no argue |
| 17:30.53 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 17:31.20 | slaxxer | just dfu a kernel an dfu a rootfs |
| 17:31.46 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.35 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: no need to worry about flashing NAND u-boot at all, you always have NOR as a fall back that you can't damage. |
| 17:32.55 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: so, NAND bootloader must be flashed without worries :) |
| 17:32.56 | slaxxer | i can damage it |
| 17:33.05 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: you can as well repair it. |
| 17:33.24 | Alesis-Novik | I can get shr from here, right? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR |
| 17:33.51 | Wonka | *sigh* i'd like an u-boot that's able to charge the battery |
| 17:33.55 | PaulFertser | Alesis-Novik: http://shr-project.org |
| 17:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: huh? so it doesn't??? |
| 17:34.25 | slaxxer | alesis did u buy the extra barrery? |
| 17:34.41 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.44 | slaxxer | : |
| 17:34.49 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: why? |
| 17:34.57 | slaxxer | charge it |
| 17:35.07 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: why? |
| 17:35.20 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: dunno, really - at least it doesn't fast charge. |
| 17:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | it should, afaik |
| 17:35.56 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: if it did by default, there would be much less problems with empty batteries, since you don't need much battery to get into uboot |
| 17:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: that |
| 17:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | s |
| 17:36.37 | Alesis-Novik | slaxxer, no, I didn't get an extra :/ |
| 17:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | a rather complex topic. It's not as simple as you suggest here |
| 17:36.49 | slaxxer | aux+power never failed for me with a dead battery |
| 17:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | Alesis-Novik: first try booting *without* battery, just from wallcharger. If that succeeds you never again need to bother about "dead bat can't charge" issue |
| 17:37.22 | slaxxer | ok good |
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| 17:37.33 | Alesis-Novik | DocScrutinizer, I already booted with a battery, so I'm leaving it for a few hours to charge while I understand what to do next |
| 17:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: so normal boot should work as well, with a decent uBoot |
| 17:37.59 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: it seems that being able to boot into NOR without battery depends on the host. I had success with it but some guy here couldn't do it no matter how many times he tried to do exactly what i did. |
| 17:38.14 | slaxxer | alesis u have a linux desktop ? |
| 17:38.39 | slaxxer | or windows? |
| 17:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: basically uBoot should start charging bat. The *REAL* problem is with devices that don't even get to uBoot without some bat-power to support |
| 17:39.07 | Alesis-Novik | linux. Ubuntu dist |
| 17:39.28 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: ouch... |
| 17:39.37 | slaxxer | u need dfu-utilites |
| 17:39.52 | slaxxer | to do a reflash |
| 17:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | ouch??? That's a wellknown issue for long time, and it's fixed for current devices |
| 17:40.31 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: ah. define "current"? |
| 17:40.43 | DocScrutinizer | as of A6 series |
| 17:40.47 | Alesis-Novik | slaxxer, dfu-util from the repository will work? |
| 17:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | IIRC |
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| 17:41.26 | slaxxer | maybe his was a dostro that didnt turn on ether-gadget kernel by default,,,, would that cause it |
| 17:41.33 | slaxxer | ? |
| 17:41.49 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: see -> [2009-04-27 19:26:14] <DocScrutinizer> Alesis-Novik: first try booting *without* battery, just from wallcharger. If that succeeds you never again need to bother about "dead bat can't charge" issue |
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| 17:42.12 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: ah, so it's not pinnable to some hw revision? |
| 17:42.27 | slaxxer | i would think so |
| 17:42.41 | slaxxer | but im wrong |
| 17:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | it's the hw revision where we changed Vsys buffer capacitor from 47uF to 100uF. I think that's been with A6 board |
| 17:43.16 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:44.25 | slaxxer | doc i never use nand erase at alll ,, is this a problem? |
| 17:44.47 | Alesis-Novik | slaxxer, so I should flash a latest u-boot too? |
| 17:44.50 | slaxxer | i heard someone talking about it |
| 17:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: if you got no problems, it's no problem |
| 17:45.55 | DocScrutinizer | Alesis-Novik: while you're flashing anyway, go ahead get a current uBoot ;-) |
| 17:46.08 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: if you try to write nand from userspace with nandwrite, you _must_ flasherase_all beforehand. |
| 17:46.23 | wurp2|working | Flashing uboot scares me |
| 17:46.33 | wurp2|working | Oh, wait, FR has a recovery mechanism |
| 17:46.37 | PaulFertser | Sure. |
| 17:46.40 | wurp2|working | I'm on a gta01 |
| 17:47.22 | Alesis-Novik | can anyone give a link to the u-boot download? |
| 17:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | Alesis-Novik: (I already booted with a battery, so I'm...) sure |
| 17:48.40 | slaxxer | shr testing? |
| 17:48.57 | DocScrutinizer | Alesis-Novik: just try boot without bat eventually. If you get any display on screen for a short moment at least, you're at safe side of the fence wrt low bat etc |
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| 17:49.18 | Alesis-Novik | DocScrutinizer, I'll try that later I guess :) |
| 17:49.24 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 17:49.40 | DocScrutinizer | first charge your bat for >2h |
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| 17:50.27 | Alesis-Novik | Just checked, the battery seems warm. I guess that's a sign of charging |
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| 17:50.51 | slaxxer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download |
| 17:51.27 | slaxxer | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ |
| 17:51.37 | slaxxer | i assume its a freerunner |
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| 17:52.11 | slaxxer | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D |
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| 17:53.18 | slaxxer | http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr81c61a7d1abb03aecd13f5395aba355e996a1641-r3.4-om-gta02.bin |
| 17:53.32 | slaxxer | uimage is the kernel |
| 17:54.22 | Alesis-Novik | slaxxer, I guess it's the same as latest one |
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| 17:54.42 | wurp2|working | Alesis-Novik: The "-latest" 'files' are links to the latest actual file |
| 17:54.46 | slaxxer | u can tell by the megs that the lite image is smaller than the other images |
| 17:55.07 | wurp2|working | I prefer to dl by the actual file link so I can keep them separated after dl |
| 17:55.16 | wurp2|working | Keeping your last build can be helpful in case the next one sucks |
| 17:56.29 | slaxxer | or keeping a "good known" folder |
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| 17:57.29 | slaxxer | pick one of those april 22 .jffs2 files for the rootfs |
| 17:57.48 | slaxxer | the lite one or the other |
| 17:58.25 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.33 | slaxxer | can u go up in ftp site with firefox? |
| 18:01.13 | slaxxer | i noticed theres not been a newer release of fyp lately |
| 18:01.24 | slaxxer | 318 |
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| 18:06.20 | Alesis-Novik | can't find the uBoot download page :/ |
| 18:06.24 | slaxxer | sometimes dfu will refuse to work the first try so try again |
| 18:07.26 | slaxxer | do u have konqueror? |
| 18:07.33 | PaulFertser | Alesis-Novik: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/ |
| 18:08.25 | PaulFertser | Alesis-Novik: afaict it's the best download location for u-boot atm (unless you compile it yourself from sources at git.openmoko.org) |
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| 18:09.45 | PaulFertser | Alesis-Novik: please, if you try it and it works (and it should), correct the wiki page that mislead you/didn't give a proper download location. |
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| 18:10.47 | Alesis-Novik | there was no link as far as I remember |
| 18:10.54 | Alesis-Novik | just mentioning uBoot |
| 18:11.10 | PaulFertser | Alesis-Novik: our wiki sucks and in desperate need of improving. Newcomers hit enough obsolete/wrong/misleading information on the pages we ("power-users") never look at. So please if you find something that doesn't help or doesn't work or plain wrong, feel free to correct it (probably after asking here if you understand it right). |
| 18:11.43 | PaulFertser | Alesis-Novik: my latest link should provide you with the latest-and-greatest (though still somewhat deprecated) u-boot. |
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| 18:14.54 | Alesis-Novik | Flashing is just the 3 simple lines, right? |
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| 18:15.31 | slaxxer | yes |
| 18:15.41 | slaxxer | as root |
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| 18:16.04 | slaxxer | for me anyways |
| 18:16.18 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer: mh, my GTA02v5 just makes funny clicking sounds when i connect it to 5V on USB without inserted battery. holding power for 20s doesn't make it boot |
| 18:16.26 | slaxxer | i had to use the ./dfu |
| 18:17.06 | slaxxer | aux+power 3 seconds? |
| 18:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | Wonka: that's "motorboating" and known for A5. Fixed with A6 as I told ya |
| 18:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | won't boot without bat. That's the issue. If you ever got into uBoot you hadn't this problem, but with A5 you better care to never dead-drain your bat - or have a spare |
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| 18:20.03 | slaxxer | i have a motorboat to |
| 18:21.16 | Wonka | hm... weren't there some people who succeeded charging their moko battery with a nokia cellphone? |
| 18:21.52 | slaxxer | yup |
| 18:23.01 | mickeyl | no problem with the TH one |
| 18:23.05 | mickeyl | no idea about the CC |
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| 19:33.45 | emmentaler | is there a trick to get ar6000 working with freerunner? |
| 19:34.01 | emmentaler | when i load that module i get no interface |
| 19:34.11 | emmentaler | and dmesg is also not very helpful |
| 19:34.17 | mickeyl | perhaps you need to bind manually |
| 19:34.35 | mickeyl | there's this sysfs stuff |
| 19:34.42 | mickeyl | where you can 'bind' and 'unbind' |
| 19:34.45 | mickeyl | the device |
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| 19:42.46 | mwester | you need to power it on as well. |
| 19:48.20 | emmentaler | ok.. after powering on this by menu i got an interface |
| 19:48.36 | emmentaler | great.. but how can i do this with the shell? |
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| 19:49.02 | emmentaler | i havent found any hint on the wiki or in any other docs .. not even a ticket.. |
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| 19:57.28 | wurp2|working | emmentaler: Dig around in the source for the dbus message sent to power it on? :-( |
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| 19:58.56 | emmentaler | this is an idea.. |
| 19:59.33 | wurp2|working | emmentaler: You might see something interesting on mdbus -l when you power it up via the gui; not sure |
| 20:00.10 | mickeyl | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/odeviced/powercontrol_neo.py;h=6d5959ffd543065645bb96be583daab0133e66c3;hb=refs/heads/master |
| 20:00.19 | emmentaler | ok .. but this is somewhat central for the use of wifi.. this should be documented in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi |
| 20:01.19 | shellevil | Many things should be documented in the wiki. |
| 20:02.02 | emmentaler | thank you all .. will try that once my phone has recovered from the bad FS. grmpf.. need to fsck first |
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| 20:12.10 | wurp2|working | emmentaler: Please put it in the wiki when you figure it out :-) |
| 20:12.20 | emmentaler | ok.. |
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| 20:17.35 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03prishelec 07libeflvala * r3e0169107cc3 10/vapi/elm.vapi: elm.vapi: add missing function to add inwins |
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| 21:26.22 | johnsu01 | frameworkd is failing me, says it's registered to the network but when I dial the phone to test it, nothing happens |
| 21:28.07 | lindi- | johnsu01: want to debug it? |
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| 21:36.53 | johnsu01 | lindi-: yes |
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| 21:37.43 | johnsu01 | sigh, /etc/init.d/fso-frameworkd stop also fails. |
| 21:38.26 | lindi- | johnsu01: is it http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/348 |
| 21:38.30 | johnsu01 | as does killing it |
| 21:38.44 | johnsu01 | it also died silently last night while the phone was suspended |
| 21:38.52 | lindi- | johnsu01: please don't kill it |
| 21:39.09 | lindi- | johnsu01: but comment on the bug so mickey starts to believe it exists ;) |
| 21:39.29 | johnsu01 | okay, so before I kill -9 it here |
| 21:39.35 | johnsu01 | what should I do to test? |
| 21:39.51 | lindi- | johnsu01: mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd /org/freesmartphone/Framework org.freesmartphone.Framework.GetVersion |
| 21:43.30 | johnsu01 | lindi-: yeah, NoReply |
| 21:43.50 | lindi- | johnsu01: good, add that as a comment |
| 21:44.05 | lindi- | johnsu01: i run a watchdog that spots this and restarts frameworkd. want to try it? |
| 21:44.31 | johnsu01 | lindi-: yeah I'll try it |
| 21:44.57 | johnsu01 | and yeah, there's no errors in my log |
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| 21:45.07 | johnsu01 | no sign that anything should be worng |
| 21:45.49 | lindi- | johnsu01: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/gsm-watchdog is very quick'n'dirty and even refers to /home/lindi :) |
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| 21:48.46 | lindi- | johnsu01: 'answering-machine' is a tiny daemon that runs as 'lindi' and just plays ringtone on incoming calls and lets me answer them with AUX regardless of whether X is running or not |
| 21:49.57 | lindi- | how do I make "si" in gdb use a hardware breakpoint? |
| 21:53.19 | lindi- | I can thbreak $pc+4; continue but that'd not very elegant wrt. branches |
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| 22:00.27 | johnsu01 | lindi-: okay, added comments to that ticket |
| 22:02.23 | lindi- | johnsu01: thanks |
| 22:02.30 | lindi- | johnsu01: i keep hitting that quite often |
| 22:04.46 | johnsu01 | lindi-: I kill -9'd it, and there's output from gsm0710muxd closing channels |
| 22:07.35 | johnsu01 | well, changing my log level back to debug for now |
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| 22:10.28 | lindi- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.34 | lindi- | where will this jump? |
| 22:11.32 | lindi- | apparently to $sp+8 |
| 22:12.42 | Alesis-Novik | thank you for everyones help getting me started |
| 22:13.25 | Weiss | lindi-: that's retrieving some stuff from the stack |
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| 22:17.19 | lindi- | Weiss: yep |
| 22:17.51 | Weiss | lindi-: though, why is it missing an addressing mode? is it in thumb mode at that point? |
| 22:18.30 | Weiss | s/mode/state/ |
| 22:18.40 | Weiss | noo, that's not what i meant |
| 22:20.05 | lindi- | Weiss: at least gdb thinks the instruction is 4 bytes so not thumb |
| 22:20.39 | Weiss | also, none of those registers are allowed in thumb |
| 22:21.41 | Weiss | anyway.. as i understand that, it read the values for r11, sp and pc from the stack - though i don't know in which direction the stack runs.. |
| 22:21.43 | lindi- | Weiss: any tips on < lindi-> how do I make "si" in gdb use a hardware breakpoint? |
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| 22:22.11 | Weiss | no idea, i'm afraid. i have a longish history of ARM stuff, but i need to refresh my memory - and i've never gone that deep with gdb |
| 22:22.11 | lindi- | Weiss: according to arm docs it always increments in that mode |
| 22:22.32 | Weiss | hmm, if no addressing mode is specified, you mean? |
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| 22:24.39 | lindi- | Weiss: well, in any addressing mode. the problem is that gdb tries to use a software breakpoint |
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| 22:27.11 | govindas | hey, how can i chack if my microSD slot in the freerunner is broken?? |
| 22:27.57 | Weiss | govindas: why do you suspect it's broken? |
| 22:28.13 | Weiss | lindi-: so...what are you expecting to see? |
| 22:29.05 | govindas | i can`t boot from it, i trayed qi and uboot, it use to work.... |
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| 22:32.56 | lindi- | Weiss: where? ;) |
| 22:33.20 | lindi- | Weiss: i'd like to be able to single-step without having to write break instructions to memory |
| 22:33.32 | lindi- | shouldn't JTAG offer that? |
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| 22:36.39 | Weiss | don't know - i guess so... |
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| 22:42.26 | govindas | weiss: http://yfrog.com/5sdsc1639j thats what i get, traying boot the uSD withe uBoot.... |
| 22:44.52 | Weiss | hmm, that doesn't look too good |
| 22:44.59 | Weiss | if you boot from NAND, can you access the card? |
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| 22:51.15 | govindas | weiss: im not shure... i think the card should be in /dev/mmcblk or so in qtopia. but now there is nothing! |
| 22:52.31 | Weiss | anything in dmesg? |
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| 23:02.58 | govindas | weiss: http://freetexthost.com/u2cx1xduea :) |
| 23:10.50 | Weiss | govindas: hmm ok, problems there as well.. |
| 23:17.40 | govindas | weiss: what do you think? i figured the uSD slot is maybe broken... :( |
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| 23:27.11 | Weiss | govindas: i think you should try a few other kernels first though.. the kernel there is quiet old |
| 23:31.56 | govindas | weiss: ok... thx for the help! |
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| 23:54.29 | johnsu01 | lindi-: heh, it happened again on the way home... |
| 23:54.59 | johnsu01 | I think there may be an additional problem though, there is an new exception in the log I'm checking out |