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| 01:23.57 | quatrox | apt: give raster a cold beer |
| 01:23.57 | apt | ACTION gives a cold beer to raster |
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| 01:39.08 | rooly | so |
| 01:39.22 | rooly | look what i buy |
| 01:39.38 | rooly | http://www.motorbike-search-engine.co.uk/classic_bikes/honda_ct90.jpg |
| 01:41.39 | zeroedout | lol, I don't think i've seen one of those in Canada, but there popular elsewhere |
| 01:42.25 | zeroedout | my roomate says he saw them in beijing quite a bit |
| 01:47.55 | rooly | yell i would think so... |
| 01:47.57 | rooly | it is a honda |
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| 03:21.38 | slaxxer | a friend says he buys iphone replacement screens out of china for 10 dollars each |
| 03:21.45 | slaxxer | 1 at a time |
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| 04:12.52 | slaxxer | latest fso-paroli-unstable |
| 04:27.37 | slaxxer | all i saw was paroli |
| 04:27.59 | slaxxer | fast in an out of suspend |
| 04:28.27 | slaxxer | no bar at top to access fso |
| 04:28.51 | slaxxer | i guess shr unstable is broken? |
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| 04:54.03 | beer_ | morning |
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| 05:44.27 | PaulFertser | allagator: Hey :) I guess if you're extremely careful and is not afraid of soldering to a testpoint, you can flash NOR without dboard. |
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| 07:03.28 | feitingen | Just wondering, has the debian u-boot hack ever worked for anyone? |
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| 07:13.08 | zeroedout | ......I can boot into debian from NOR, so yes? |
| 07:17.25 | gustavold | how do I disable the "guessing" feature of the keyboard. I couldn't type my wifi password |
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| 07:21.59 | PaulFertser | gustavold: swipe up to change to the terminal keyboard |
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| 07:29.28 | gustavold | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:30.04 | PaulFertser | gustavold: and in terminal keyboard you'll have no prediction that'll allow to enter whatever password you have. |
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| 07:35.31 | gustavold | PaulFertser: I dont know what you mean "terminal keyboard" |
| 07:36.43 | PaulFertser | gustavold: the one with all the keys you usually find on a regular full-size keyboard (ctrl, alt, pgup, pgdn, ins, etc) |
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| 07:37.52 | gustavold | PaulFertser: it doesn't appear here. Stroking upward just changes to capital letters |
| 07:39.10 | PaulFertser | gustavold: it should be there. After the keyboard with numbers. You can also try to press some button in upper right corner to see the list of available keyboards and choose from there. |
| 07:39.21 | feitingen | zeroedout: can you boot debian from NAND? |
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| 08:04.35 | PierreN | does anyone know where to find a tutorial for FSO (how to get the contact list from the sim, how to dial, send an sms...) please ? also which languages bindings are available please ? |
| 08:05.53 | lindi- | PierreN: it's dbus |
| 08:06.11 | lindi- | PierreN: i don't think you need any language bindings |
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| 08:11.18 | PaulFertser | PierreN: http://freesmartphone.org has API description |
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| 08:16.09 | gustavold | Does openmoko support wifi with WPA? |
| 08:16.38 | gustavold | I'm getting "Unable to join network" after supplying the password |
| 08:17.23 | gustavold | my router is configured to use WPA Personal |
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| 08:19.40 | PaulFertser | gustavold: it does |
| 08:20.40 | PierreN | PaulFertser: thanks for the link, that's what i needed |
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| 08:20.49 | PaulFertser | gustavold: but. There're some known wifi issues with .24 kernels (that are fixed in .28/.29, otoh the recent kernels rarely can't connect to APs that used to work with .24). |
| 08:20.57 | PierreN | lindi-: but... how to call dbus in ... bash for example ? |
| 08:21.46 | PaulFertser | gustavold: also i've never seen wpa_supplicant saying anything like your quote, probably you use some "fancy" obscure gui instead of using wpa_supplicant directly. |
| 08:21.52 | PaulFertser | PierreN: there's mdbus utility |
| 08:22.01 | PaulFertser | PierreN: and more generic dbus-send. |
| 08:22.47 | gustavold | PaulFertser: yes, I've just bought a new openmoko, and it came without a shell application |
| 08:23.22 | PierreN | PaulFertser: ok thanks |
| 08:23.36 | PaulFertser | gustavold: nobody cares what it came for (and i highly doubt it lacks terminal in any distro out there), you're free to install any app/distro you like. |
| 08:24.13 | PaulFertser | PierreN: btw, "mdbus -s" will provide you with a way to see dbus introspection data, so you can see bus names, then after supplying bus name you'll see interface names etc. |
| 08:25.40 | PierreN | ok |
| 08:27.01 | gustavold | PaulFertser: I'm trying to make wifi working to install new cool applications like terminal :) |
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| 08:28.00 | md2k7 | gustavold: why not just attach the phone via USB and SSH in? |
| 08:28.13 | PaulFertser | gustavold: if you have a usb-equipped internet-enabled host computer nearby, it's much easier (and failproof) to use usb networking instead. |
| 08:28.43 | gustavold | PaulFertser, md2k7: I'll try it |
| 08:33.44 | PaulFertser | gustavold: and btw, you'll soon understand that using freerunner while you have a good ssh connection to it is much more fun than trying to type all lengthy commands, read logs etc with tiny virtual keyboard. |
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| 10:58.25 | Wonka | where does e look for .desktop files? currently, i don |
| 10:58.33 | Wonka | 't get any icons... |
| 10:59.04 | Q-Master | /usr/share/applications |
| 10:59.23 | Q-Master | try to mv ~/.e ~/.e.old |
| 10:59.29 | Q-Master | then restart e |
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| 11:17.09 | Wonka | i did rm -rf .e before... |
| 11:17.59 | Wonka | mh, the .desktop files are all there |
| 11:20.01 | rhaeder | I hope today the DHL man will come. pulster wrote on 20th that they have delivered it |
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| 11:38.34 | lord-carlos | i got an error while upgrading shr unstable: |
| 11:38.36 | lord-carlos | * ERROR: The following packages conflict with e-wm-menu-shr: |
| 11:38.37 | lord-carlos | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.03 | dns53 | i removed the package with the old name and installed the one with the new name |
| 11:41.22 | lord-carlos | i try that right now |
| 11:41.26 | lord-carlos | looks like it works |
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| 11:49.39 | lord-carlos | i think i gonna sell my OpenMoko :/ |
| 11:49.52 | lord-carlos | i need something more stable |
| 11:50.18 | lindi- | *cough* debian |
| 11:50.32 | dns53 | shr is finally stable for me |
| 11:50.36 | Wonka | i want gvsigmobile on debian |
| 11:50.43 | lord-carlos | debian is nice .. i got it on all my computers .. but its to slow on the FR |
| 11:50.56 | lindi- | Wonka: got link to source code? I can make a package |
| 11:51.28 | lindi- | lord-carlos: it all depends on the apps you use |
| 11:51.50 | lord-carlos | Some one from Denmark/Germany around who wont to buy a allmost new FR with headset for ~ 250 euro ? |
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| 11:52.06 | Wonka | lindi-: maemo has a debian package already - but you'd need libswt-gtk for debian arm first... |
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| 11:52.28 | Mononoke | lord-carlos: I would take it for 200 :P |
| 11:53.22 | lindi- | Wonka: libswt-gtk-3.4-java-gcj is available for armel |
| 11:53.48 | lord-carlos | lindi-: i tried neovento. It was too slow for me. |
| 11:53.49 | lindi- | Wonka: libswt-gtk-3.4-jni and libswt-gtk-3.4-java are too |
| 11:53.56 | lindi- | lord-carlos: what's that? |
| 11:54.06 | lindi- | lord-carlos: i don't that is in debian |
| 11:54.16 | lord-carlos | lindi-: a debian based Distributions |
| 11:54.32 | lord-carlos | "neovento is a Debian for Freerunner based distribution which uses LXDE and Zhone on top." |
| 11:54.54 | lindi- | lord-carlos: lxde surely is more heavy-weight than icewm for example |
| 11:55.11 | lindi- | lord-carlos: so don't use lxde |
| 11:55.34 | lord-carlos | Mononoke: you get a free laserpointer if you buy it for 250 ;-) |
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| 12:00.30 | Mononoke | lord-carlos: nah sorry no, I'm out of your area anyway |
| 12:02.58 | bruce_c | I don't know if it's the WM that affects it but I find the UI to be really laggy with shr-unstable |
| 12:03.32 | bruce_c | i.e scrolling requires you to hold the new position for a few seconds until the UI catches up |
| 12:03.43 | lindi- | bruce_c: try different wm? |
| 12:03.47 | bruce_c | TangoGPS is still awesome though |
| 12:04.30 | bruce_c | lindi-: how? I need something that integrates well with the touchscreen |
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| 12:04.50 | lindi- | bruce_c: just to test your hypothesis? |
| 12:05.01 | bruce_c | oh, ok |
| 12:06.21 | bruce_c | well personally I think it's a problem with python |
| 12:07.12 | bruce_c | actually that wouldn't work because scrolling will be handled by native code |
| 12:07.12 | bruce_c | hmm |
| 12:07.56 | lord-carlos | i also dont like the laggy UI |
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| 12:26.08 | rhaeder | does someone know a good online store where I can buy an US-layout keyboard? |
| 12:33.59 | lord-carlos | where is the config for tango gps? |
| 12:36.04 | shellevil | rhaeder: ebay? |
| 12:36.10 | shellevil | where are you |
| 12:37.04 | rhaeder | Germany, but I prefer US for better coding experiences :) |
| 12:37.21 | Wonka | rrraaaah! |
| 12:37.24 | Wonka | opkg install -force-downgrade ... |
| 12:37.37 | Wonka | Package ... installed in root is up to date. |
| 12:37.51 | Wonka | b0rked |
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| 12:39.41 | lord-carlos | mhh, i allways get segfault if i try to change the chache folder for the tango gps maps |
| 12:39.52 | lord-carlos | and i cat find the damn config file |
| 12:40.53 | shellevil | http://shop.ebay.co.uk/items/__us-keyboard-laptop_W0QQ_nkwZusQ20keyboardQ20Q2dlaptopQQConnectionQ2520TypeZCordedQQ_dmptZUKQ5fComputingQ5fComputerComponentsQ5fKeyboardsMiceQQ_flnZ1QQ_ssovZ1QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em282 |
| 12:40.57 | shellevil | forex |
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| 12:49.15 | Wonka | lord-carlos: ~/.gconf/apps/tangogps/%gconf.xml |
| 12:50.27 | lord-carlos | ah thanks |
| 12:50.34 | lord-carlos | i also found this: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2603221 |
| 12:50.43 | lord-carlos | looks like i am not the only one having this bug |
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| 13:03.24 | bruce_c | lord-carlos: my solution was to rm -rf ~/Maps && ln -siv /media/card/Maps |
| 13:03.47 | bruce_c | actually not -siv but ln -s |
| 13:03.55 | DocScrutinizer | Matthias Felsche around here? someone knows where to IRC him? |
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| 14:12.30 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 14:13.35 | beer_ | hi |
| 14:16.56 | hjking | Hi. does anyone know when SHR will be able to lookup the name of an incoming number from contacts? I hear it's to do with ologicd... Its a shame because It's the only major problem I have with SHR - it's getting embarrassing to have to ask who i'm talking to each time I get a call! |
| 14:25.13 | max_posedon | hm... it works for me |
| 14:25.17 | max_posedon | just right now |
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| 14:50.28 | bxyrk | anyone have one of the freedom slimpads? |
| 14:52.03 | bxyrk | i have one, but everytime i disconnect, i need to remove the pairing, and repair it to use it again.... |
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| 15:01.54 | WhiteAnt | anybody have any info for debian on GTA01 |
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| 15:02.27 | lindi- | WhiteAnt: wiki has |
| 15:02.31 | lindi- | WhiteAnt: and #openmoko-debian |
| 15:02.43 | lindi- | WhiteAnt: and the pkg-fso mailing list |
| 15:03.18 | WhiteAnt | i want debian image for GTA)01 |
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| 15:12.39 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r6bfd89af907e 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/ (__init__.py pimb_sqlite_contacts.py): opimd: add sqlite contacts backend by Heinervdm and modify it to work |
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| 15:16.20 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r12de19b81e0f 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimb_sqlite_contacts.py: opimd: convert sqlite backend from windows to unix format |
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| 16:33.21 | badcloud | hey all |
| 16:37.36 | Blu3 | 'allo |
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| 16:50.02 | badcloud | what's up Blu3? |
| 16:51.02 | slaxxer | dammit man growth is painful |
| 16:51.12 | badcloud | which type, slaxxer? |
| 16:51.21 | badcloud | and which distro are you stuck on now? |
| 16:51.34 | slaxxer | http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
| 16:51.56 | slaxxer | shr unstable an .29 kernel |
| 16:51.56 | badcloud | by the by, how can I access the sms's on the sim card via shr? |
| 16:51.59 | badcloud | me too |
| 16:52.05 | badcloud | not bad so far |
| 16:52.18 | slaxxer | can u ssh in |
| 16:52.38 | slaxxer | is it the usb0eth0 problem? |
| 16:53.09 | slaxxer | rm -rf ~/Maps && ln -s /media/card/Maps |
| 16:53.27 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.38 | slaxxer | still cant* |
| 16:54.25 | bruce_c | how much have you downloaded into /media/card/Maps ? |
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| 16:56.06 | Blu3 | hey bc. driving down the road, relaxing for a bit |
| 16:56.11 | slaxxer | i will check |
| 16:56.58 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.06 | Blu3 | badcloud, use mdbus |
| 16:57.25 | slaxxer | it cant have more than 1/3 of the usa on it |
| 16:57.38 | Blu3 | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook 'all' |
| 16:57.43 | Blu3 | retrieves all messages |
| 16:58.23 | Blu3 | use "mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device" to find the methods to fetch individually, delete, etc |
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| 17:02.21 | badcloud | thanks Blu3 |
| 17:02.27 | badcloud | wow, nice knowhow |
| 17:03.03 | Blu3 | y/w :) |
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| 17:04.53 | badcloud | space between 'Device' and org.free...? |
| 17:05.29 | Blu3 | yes |
| 17:05.44 | Blu3 | there's three blobs there |
| 17:05.50 | badcloud | noted |
| 17:06.55 | Blu3 | it's the $bus, $object, and $method |
| 17:08.21 | badcloud | wonder how that can be utilized to make a delete all sms script... |
| 17:09.23 | Blu3 | for i in $(seq 1 30); do <~above>.DeleteMessage '$i'; done |
| 17:10.04 | Blu3 | bbiab |
| 17:15.19 | badcloud | bbia what? |
| 17:19.12 | badcloud | trying to figure that one out though... what is the bash binary that is actually executed? |
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| 17:26.09 | shellevil | which bash |
| 17:27.29 | badcloud | ash |
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| 17:29.31 | badcloud | not sure though |
| 17:29.56 | badcloud | what is the full command essentially to make this sms deletion sequence work? |
| 17:29.57 | badcloud | in shr |
| 17:32.23 | Blu3 | bbiab == be back in a bit |
| 17:32.32 | badcloud | gotcha |
| 17:32.58 | Blu3 | for i in $(seq 1 30); do mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.DeleteMessage '$i'; done |
| 17:33.13 | Blu3 | deletes all msgs on your sim card |
| 17:36.21 | badcloud | trying it now |
| 17:37.52 | badcloud | ERROR:dbus.connection:Unable to set arguments ('$i',) according to signature u'i': <type 'exceptions.TypeError'>: an integer is required |
| 17:38.11 | Blu3 | ah, remove the '' |
| 17:38.13 | Blu3 | sorry |
| 17:41.57 | badcloud | worked, thanks |
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| 17:48.46 | Blu3 | you're welcome |
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| 17:51.28 | gustavold | I'm getting the following errror when I type "opkg update": |
| 17:51.29 | gustavold | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.42 | gustavold | there is no open application on the pone |
| 17:56.13 | md2k7|afk | gustavold: are you still using some old ASU distro? |
| 17:56.16 | md2k7|afk | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td682310 then |
| 17:57.39 | gustavold | md2k7|afk: Om 2008.12 |
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| 17:58.25 | md2k7|afk | mhm, still try killall packagekit |
| 17:58.43 | md2k7|afk | gustavold: i don't know if that is fixed, I'm using SHR now |
| 18:02.56 | slaxxer | or reboot |
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| 18:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | bah, nable |
| 18:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | js-junk |
| 18:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | could you use pipermail instead? |
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| 18:18.03 | DocScrutinizer | at least for URL-links for the masses |
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| 18:26.25 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r9f17c047cb47 10/ (ChangeLog framework/resource.py): ousaged: Serialize resources with an asynchronous worker queue. This should ease fixing FSO #404. |
| 18:36.59 | alphaone | yay |
| 18:37.03 | edje | hi all, i seem to have lost my ability to boot into nand. i recently flashed to 2009.1, but it might have happend before or after that too. any hints ? |
| 18:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | alphaone: yay? |
| 18:37.47 | alphaone | DocScrutinizer: mickeys commit 9f17c047cb47 |
| 18:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe I need to look at 404 to appreciate |
| 18:39.11 | alphaone | DocScrutinizer: Been a real potential PITA for a while now? |
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| 19:19.31 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r6f2e7ce113a0 10/ (13 files in 4 dirs): |
| 19:19.31 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: opimd: start implementation of wrappers for opimd calls |
| 19:19.31 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: This is completely untested... Should compile though. |
| 19:19.31 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
| 19:19.33 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * re945a1ff12ca 10/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 19:19.34 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: opimd: add wrappers fro sources interface |
| 19:19.36 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
| 19:19.38 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * raae989c07be4 10/src/ (frameworkd-glib-dbus.c frameworkd-glib-dbus.h): |
| 19:19.41 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: dbus: const correctnes for connect_to_interface |
| 19:19.43 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
| 19:19.45 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r8176de3c87f0 10/src/opimd/ (2 files): |
| 19:19.47 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: opimd/contacts: keep the DBusGProxy for queries |
| 19:19.49 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: This is needed, because opimd remembers the query cursor |
| 19:19.51 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: for each client connection... |
| 19:19.53 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
| 19:19.55 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r9c43c1aa4116 10/src/opimd/ (frameworkd-glib-opimd-dbus.c frameworkd-glib-opimd-dbus.h): |
| 19:20.00 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: opimd/sources: add missing dbus connect functions |
| 19:20.02 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
| 19:20.04 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r32aca2c5a5c4 10/src/opimd/dbus/ (contacts.h contacts.xml): |
| 19:20.07 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: opimd/contacts: implement GetMultipleResults |
| 19:20.09 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
| 19:20.13 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r8abecf8adf5e 10/src/opimd/frameworkd-glib-opimd-contacts.c: |
| 19:20.16 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: opimd/contacts: fix messages/contacts typo and add missing cast |
| 19:20.18 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
| 19:20.20 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r9c2bae8f2a12 10/ (20 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'opimd' |
| 19:20.27 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mok 07libframeworkd-glib * r7301d4e1ec7f 10/src/opimd/ (4 files): |
| 19:20.29 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: opimd: add G_BEGIN_DECLS / G_END_DECLS |
| 19:20.31 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Klaus Kurzmann <mok@fluxnetz.de> |
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| 20:32.53 | gustavold | I'm planning to do a opkg upgrade, but opkg update gives me some download errors (404). Is it normal? |
| 20:33.29 | gustavold | some are just signatures, but there is some Packages.gz missing too. |
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| 20:37.28 | axel_ | Hello! I want to get started with the Freerunner. So far I'm trying to get an internt-connection. As OM2008.8 didn't have any SSH-server running and a connection to a WIFI-network could not be established. I upgraded to OM2008.12. Bot in this distribution tehere is no SSH server either, there isn't even a way to set up a WIFI-connection. How can I connect the Freerunner to the internet? |
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| 20:40.07 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * ra100a6b73023 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/backend_manager.py: opimd: don't fail when default backend isn't specified. Use some, which supports specified domain. |
| 20:40.07 | PaulFertser | gustavold: which distro? |
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| 20:40.20 | gustavold | Om 2008.12 |
| 20:40.23 | gustavold | PaulFertser: |
| 20:40.24 | PaulFertser | gustavold: do an opkg update beforehand |
| 20:40.55 | PaulFertser | gustavold: and i'd suggest to stop using a deprecated distro anyway. |
| 20:41.32 | gustavold | PaulFertser: will opkg upgrade solve it? |
| 20:42.05 | PaulFertser | gustavold: using a deprecated system -- no; 404 errors -- i guess, it should. |
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| 20:43.30 | gustavold | PaulFertser: what you mean a deprecated system? Which one is up-to-date? |
| 20:43.52 | PaulFertser | axel_: most probably you're doing something wrong. Even deprecated distros like OM2008.x all had sshd (dropbear) installed and run by default. |
| 20:45.21 | PaulFertser | gustavold: nobody is supporting Qtopia-on-X development line. So as i see it OM2008 has no future. SHR or OM2009; Debian and (probably) Gentoo are based on FSO and are in active development. |
| 20:48.27 | max_posedon | Gentoo isn't "probably") |
| 20:49.31 | axel_ | PaulFertser: The steps I did so far: Plugged in the USB-Cable. Mounted the USB-device (sudo mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb).Checked wether there was an USB-entry in the ifconfig-answer. "Connected" the USB-device to a IP-Adress (sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0). Tried to ssh (ssh root@192.168.0.200), Answer: ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Connection refused. |
| 20:50.05 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: it's just i don't really know the current status. Feel free to correct me :) |
| 20:50.28 | PaulFertser | axel_: what address FR should have in your opinion? |
| 20:50.50 | gustavold | PaulFertser: from the bellow url I understood the best choice (as a new user) would be OM2008. I'll study changing my system. thank you. |
| 20:50.50 | gustavold | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 20:51.03 | axel_ | PaulFertser: 192.168.0.200 |
| 20:51.28 | PaulFertser | axel_: how can you assume that after you run "ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0" on host?! |
| 20:52.56 | max_posedon | Current status is far away from usable for even for most Gentoo users, but it has worked fso/shr stack, and even Xorg+xf86-video-glamo |
| 20:53.10 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: wow, what's missing then? |
| 20:53.54 | axel_ | PaulFertser: I'm quite new to Linux. I assumed that this command sets the IP-adress. It's also described in the Wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner/de#Manuelle_Methode (Sry. German) |
| 20:54.40 | PaulFertser | axel_: yes, this command sets the IP address. Of host! |
| 20:54.56 | max_posedon | cross compilation steps aren't works as should, and many configuration steps should be done manully |
| 20:55.17 | PaulFertser | axel_: and afaik it's no different to many other unix-like OSes. |
| 20:55.56 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: ok, so my (probably) wasn't that misaligned with the reality :-/ |
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| 20:57.21 | max_posedon | I hope we will prepare per-night building images soon, then we will have may be big announce. I hope it will be before FSOSHRCON) |
| 20:59.57 | axel_ | PaulFertser: If I worked with Unix-systems before, I'd had less problems understanding what I do. So I have to rely on the wiki |
| 21:00.36 | PaulFertser | axel_: ifconfig sets ip address of the computer it's performed on. You need to connect via ssh to freerunner, not to your host. |
| 21:02.21 | axel_ | Paul# |
| 21:03.09 | axel_ | PaulFertser: No I've tried "sudo ip address add 192.168.3.200/24 dev usb0". The same problem with ssh root@192.168.3.200. |
| 21:03.22 | PaulFertser | axel_: that's expected |
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| 21:05.24 | max_posedon | axel_: do you know your FR ip address? |
| 21:05.42 | PaulFertser | axel_: you set ip address of you host computer to 192.168.3.200, then you try to connect to it. Obviously you fail (because your intention is to connect to FR). |
| 21:06.34 | axel_ | PaulFertser: OK. I've got this. But how to connect to the FR then? |
| 21:06.36 | max_posedon | you know, FR's and Host's ip differnent! |
| 21:07.17 | PaulFertser | axel_: and btw, i doubt FR in default configuration will like to see usb host at anywhere except 192.168.0.x. So stick to the well known 192.168.0.202. FR's default address is 192.168.0.202. |
| 21:07.19 | max_posedon | axel_: Once more, do you know FR's ip? |
| 21:07.24 | axel_ | max_posedon: I'm aware of that. The question is: How to set the IP-adress of the freerunner. |
| 21:08.00 | PaulFertser | axel_: you first connect to it via well-known ip address. Or you change it in the properties using virtual keyboard beforehand. |
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| 21:09.28 | PaulFertser | axel_: so, the host address that is set as default gw on FR is 192.168.0.200. The FR's address is 192.168.0.202. |
| 21:11.27 | axel_ | max_posedon, PaulFertser: Thanks for your help. It semms that I've messed up the IP-adresses. To get a clean start. I'll perform a reboot. BRB |
| 21:11.37 | PaulFertser | axel_: ? |
| 21:11.40 | PaulFertser | Fuck |
| 21:12.27 | PaulFertser | It's fucking easy to setup usb networking following correct (to some degree) insturctions, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 21:13.02 | PaulFertser | Why the hell anyone will read outdated probably mis-translated german variant of the same information? |
| 21:13.43 | PaulFertser | If i made decisions, i'd removed all stupid "localised" version from the OM wiki altogether. Screw that. |
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| 21:15.41 | PaulFertser | axel_: you missed all my rants! I suggest you (and everybody) to read actual insturctions, not some german mis-translation. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 21:17.28 | PaulFertser | And to stop fucking translating efforts altogether not to continue to mislead people with outdated/wrong/inaccurate information. |
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| 21:21.18 | max_posedon | PaulFertser: keep it easy, some people just forgot his reading skills after school) |
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| 21:22.07 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: having semi-translated outdated copies can't help anybody sane. And puts a burden of support on those who can do something more useful. |
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| 21:24.11 | max_posedon | Yes you are right, but I'm sure many people still prefer asking, then reading |
| 21:25.13 | max_posedon | and yes, wiki traslations always crap, just because it is separate pages |
| 21:25.35 | max_posedon | and doesn't work like gettext |
| 21:26.48 | PaulFertser | I have LC_MESSAGES=C everywhere i work too. Just because it's stupid imho to have it any other way. |
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| 21:40.37 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: isn't it so lucky that openmoko chose English as the primary language :) |
| 21:41.22 | leinir | bruce_c: Seeing as English is the lingua franca of computer science, not really ;) |
| 21:41.28 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: Yeah, toki pona wouldn't work as well :) |
| 21:43.53 | bruce_c | I've come across a fair number of non-English articles recently and always appreciate any translations |
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| 21:46.39 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: why? |
| 21:46.51 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: what translations are useful for? |
| 21:48.29 | max_posedon | translations usefull for poiting people(which doesn't want/can't read original) there, |
| 21:49.15 | PaulFertser | If they don't want to read original, i think we don't want to see them here. |
| 21:50.14 | max_posedon | yes, this is main reason for avoid any russian-speaking openmoko "communities" |
| 21:50.57 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: so everyone should be able to read English? |
| 21:51.19 | max_posedon | (big, red font) YES! |
| 21:51.35 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: yes, at least technical English. |
| 21:52.00 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: it's like asking if everyone should be able to read arabic numbers. |
| 21:52.33 | shellevil | It makes sense to have efforts split over languages for _huge_ communities. |
| 21:52.39 | shellevil | For little ones, ... |
| 21:52.59 | PaulFertser | How splitting efforts for useless things ever makes sense? |
| 21:53.03 | Sharwin_F | I think it's good to have local communities |
| 21:53.12 | PaulFertser | can't spell :-/ |
| 21:53.12 | Sharwin_F | it makes more a feeling of comunity |
| 21:53.26 | Sharwin_F | I fell that when I was on the buzz fix party at Barcelona |
| 21:53.38 | shellevil | PaulFertser: If meetings, or - for example - hardware fix parties - makes sense |
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| 21:54.02 | max_posedon | hardware fix parties related to region where you live |
| 21:54.04 | PaulFertser | shellevil: yeah, but no tranlating needed for that |
| 21:54.22 | max_posedon | it just very different questions that software related |
| 21:54.35 | Sharwin_F | of course there has to be an english-speaking comunity which moves all, but it's grate to have some local comunities. |
| 21:55.04 | max_posedon | compare `City A community` and `City B community` with |
| 21:55.34 | Sharwin_F | I agree with that |
| 21:55.43 | max_posedon | `City A commounity speaking about X on en` and `City A community speaking about X on ru` |
| 21:55.46 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: well I for one was glad when the CellHunter app was translated into English, because I don't understand German very well :P |
| 21:56.06 | bruce_c | but hey, if you can speak a multitude of languages then that's great |
| 21:57.18 | Sharwin_F | I think using English as a dev is a must, but not as a user |
| 21:57.35 | bruce_c | yeah, definitely |
| 21:57.54 | bruce_c | as has been pointed out, technical docs are English and they won't get translated |
| 21:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | hates datasheets translated from chinese to english by some google translate or a octopus or sth with similar knowledge of precise english |
| 21:58.24 | axel_ | Meanwhile I could establish a SSH-connection to the FR. The Host can ping the FR and the FR can ping the host. So far so good. The next problem is, that I can't access the internet from the FR. It seems that masquerading does not work (Kubuntu 8.04.2). The masquerading paragraph (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Masquerading_support) doesn't tell me anything. |
| 21:58.49 | bruce_c | I just get frustrated by the attitude that English is the only language that matters for end-user devices |
| 21:58.59 | max_posedon | axel_, try follow instructions |
| 21:59.00 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: no, i can't speak many languages. :( Only Russian and some English. But English is a must for any IT-related activities anyway. |
| 21:59.24 | Sharwin_F | yes, but local comunities are usually user-related |
| 21:59.57 | shellevil | axel_: you've configured masq on the host? |
| 22:05.57 | axel_ | shellevil: I haven't configured it jet, as I don't know where to start. "Masquerading options are found in Networking ---> Networking options ---> (tested on Linux 2.6.26.3)." Seems to be a advise for a GUI (GNOME I suppose). I use KDE. |
| 22:06.31 | PaulFertser | axel_: use iptables directly as per wiki instructions. |
| 22:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | it's just c&p of two or three lines |
| 22:07.43 | PaulFertser | Unless a distro has some tricky incompatible default iptables setup. |
| 22:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | axel_: but don't forget to check any firewall you might have on buntkuh |
| 22:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | prior to executing the cmdline masquerading foo |
| 22:09.14 | shellevil | axel_: if you haven't set it up on the host, it's guaranteed not to work |
| 22:10.50 | axel_ | PaulFertser: The more advanced way worked (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#The_more_advanced_way). Thanks for the hint. |
| 22:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 22:11.20 | axel_ | DocScrutinizer: I've checked them before. Thanks for the advise. |
| 22:11.25 | PaulFertser | axel_: :) |
| 22:14.51 | Weiss | PaulFertser: spot on! opkg remove (-force-depends) hal -> problem fixed |
| 22:15.00 | Weiss | grr, ECHAN |
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| 22:54.46 | axel_ | It seems that I'm running from one poroblem to the next. Now I can connect to the internet but I don't succeed to update the repository information. When starting the installer it's refreshing almost up to 100% but then an error occurs. "Cannot access repository. Please check your network." The shell-way didn't work either "Could not obtain administrative lock.", although I quit the installer in the GUI. |
| 22:56.30 | PaulFertser | axel_: probably unrelated but it's good to know that opkg sucks anyway. Check with "ps ax" that you have no other opkg instance running before trying to start "opkg update". |
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| 23:03.29 | Sharwin_F | DocScrutinizer, if you haven't give it a try, xchat looks good on fr :) |
| 23:03.40 | Sharwin_F | you jut need to change the font size |
| 23:03.46 | axel_ | PaulFertser: Now it works and now I know the reason for the error-msg above: 404. At least the URL is not correct. |
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| 23:04.46 | PaulFertser | axel_: yes, it's quite possible you need to change some repos in opkg config to something other. Can't provide you with exact instruction because i never cared about this qtopia-on-x nonsence. |
| 23:06.40 | axel_ | PaulFertser: Thank you very much for your hints and advises. |
| 23:06.56 | PaulFertser | makes too many mistakes to blame typos it seems. Not that good for a learn-English-you-lazy-lusers advocate :-/ |
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| 23:08.18 | PaulFertser | axel_: you're welcome :) |
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| 23:09.25 | axel_ | PaulFertser: I care about the qtopia-on-x nonsense, but on another day. I badly need some sleep. CU! |
| 23:09.30 | PaulFertser | I prefer hints wherever reasonable because they give more opportunities to learn instead of dumb copying. |
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| 23:09.51 | PaulFertser | axel_: CU :) |
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