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| 00:46.23 | azaghal | I've seen some notes about 16GB San SD cards on wiki. Anyone with first-hand experience here? |
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| 02:55.16 | V45Purple | is anyone here using the debian release of openmoko? |
| 02:56.08 | V45Purple | I'd like to know if it's usable as a phone yet, specifically if the phone and sms are reliable. |
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| 03:12.00 | Blu3 | hmm, i guess unstable broke :> |
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| 03:15.32 | Blu3 | is the downloads.openmoko.org repo out of sync? update & upgrade yields a bunch of 404s |
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| 04:16.34 | hipitihop | waves good afternoon to the residents |
| 04:17.59 | hipitihop | I flashed latest unstable SHR but cannot SSH in, is this a known problem or is it likely to eb my Ubuntu machine which did work before but perhaps something has changed. |
| 04:24.33 | rooly | hipitihop: did you first-boot without the usb plugged in? |
| 04:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | mooo |
| 04:32.52 | allagator | helps to use the terminal and do some double checks ie ; modprobe g_ether ; ifdown usb0 && ifup usb0; |
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| 04:33.28 | allagator | #EXTRA_OECONF += "N810" |
| 04:33.42 | allagator | diregard that |
| 04:33.47 | allagator | dis* |
| 04:35.29 | hipitihop | rooly: no, first booot & second with sub plugged in |
| 04:36.23 | allagator | did you try those things from the moko's terminal or? giving up? |
| 04:37.07 | hipitihop | allagator: if that is aimed at me, no did not try, and not giving up.. booting without usb plugged in first |
| 04:37.17 | allagator | :D |
| 04:37.28 | allagator | only windows "fixes" things with reboots |
| 04:37.59 | hipitihop | allagator: heh expect as much |
| 04:38.11 | rhkfin | allagator: well, 2008.12 has to be restarted after the first installation to get usb/ssh up&running.. |
| 04:38.20 | allagator | also sometimes check your host's ifconfig -a <sometimes mine likes to not use dev id usb0 instead using eth1" |
| 04:38.58 | allagator | happens so often i made a second /etc/network/interfaces entry for eth1 |
| 04:39.19 | allagator | mirroring what usb0 currently is (iptables forwarding ip setup etc |
| 04:40.22 | hipitihop | allagator: yes looked at my interfaces and it is nearly empty, onlye has "auto lo |
| 04:40.22 | hipitihop | iface lo inet loopback" |
| 04:41.12 | allagator | whatabout diagnostics on the neo? |
| 04:42.02 | hipitihop | ok reboot seems to have had no effect, no surprise |
| 04:42.19 | allagator | tries to wipe the shit eating grin off his face |
| 04:43.08 | hipitihop | hands allagator a napkin |
| 04:43.57 | hipitihop | ifconfig -a on host does not show any usb0 |
| 04:44.21 | allagator | modprobe g_ether |
| 04:44.35 | allagator | depending on what the output says... |
| 04:45.56 | hipitihop | "sudo modprobe g_ether |
| 04:45.56 | hipitihop | FATAL: Error inserting g_ether (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_ether.ko): No such device |
| 04:45.57 | hipitihop | " |
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| 04:46.43 | allagator | thats a brain buster |
| 04:47.37 | hipitihop | I'm running Ubuntu 8.10 with wicd, as I said /etc/network/interfaces almost empty |
| 04:48.28 | allagator | you dont have to touch that |
| 04:48.51 | allagator | modprobe that on your neo |
| 04:49.00 | allagator | did you do that on your host machine!? |
| 04:49.08 | allagator | *sigh* |
| 04:49.56 | hipitihop | yes, sorry, just showed my noobness again |
| 04:52.25 | hipitihop | allagator: 'modprobe g_ether' on neo returns nothing |
| 04:52.34 | allagator | that means it succeeded |
| 04:53.00 | allagator | now just for completeness on the neo run "ifdown usb0; ifup usb0" |
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| 04:53.27 | allagator | and try sshing in may have to ifupdown on the host ubuntu aswell |
| 04:54.40 | allagator | and that should make it "completo" (spanish) |
| 04:58.24 | hipitihop | allagator: ifup usb0 on neo returns "no wireless extensions" which I assume is reasonable for a non wireless device :-) ... ssh still not wokring |
| 04:58.41 | allagator | thats normal |
| 04:58.54 | allagator | hm.. |
| 04:59.25 | hipitihop | if I try ifup usb0 on host "no such device" |
| 04:59.29 | allagator | ifconfig usb0 (ubuntu) show a device? |
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| 04:59.32 | allagator | ah |
| 04:59.35 | allagator | eth1? |
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| 04:59.58 | hipitihop | "Device not found" |
| 05:00.10 | allagator | well now its ubuntu's fault |
| 05:00.24 | allagator | lsmod |grep cdc_ether |
| 05:02.00 | hipitihop | assuming you want only usb stuff "usbcore 175760 11 cdc_acm,cdc_ether,usbnet,btusb,uvcvideo,usb_storage,libusual,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd" |
| 05:03.11 | allagator | i had that sorta stuff happen to me on ubuntu awhile ago |
| 05:03.12 | hipitihop | btw, 'lsusb' returns "Bus 008 Device 036: ID 1457:5122 First International Computer, Inc. OpenMoko Neo1973 kernel cdc_ether USB network" |
| 05:03.27 | allagator | try rmmod cdc_ether |
| 05:03.32 | allagator | and remodprobe it |
| 05:03.36 | hipitihop | I know flshing it still works using neotool/dfutil |
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| 05:04.39 | allagator | unplugging /replugging repeating the other things and crossing fingers that it appears/ hell reboot ubuntu even (its been taking on a similarity with windows lately) |
| 05:05.40 | allagator | but the neo is fine |
| 05:06.43 | hipitihop | hmm, most strange... ok thanks for your time trying... I'll reboot when it is convenient... running XP virtualized for another dev environment etc. rebooting a pain |
| 05:07.44 | allagator | dont forget to scan http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
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| 05:08.30 | hipitihop | yes I'll have another look... had everyhting working a couple of weeks ago.. no idea what ubuntu has done |
| 05:08.46 | allagator | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/+bug/130437 |
| 05:08.50 | allagator | ew looky there |
| 05:09.01 | allagator | helpfull nugget |
| 05:09.26 | hipitihop | I know I have only been running SHR since early april, and I know I ssh'ed in then, installed Qwo keyboard, omerotate etc |
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| 05:11.36 | allagator | its aparently a known bug with ubuntu |
| 05:12.19 | hipitihop | strange it hasn't effected me before and it mentions gutsy, I'm on intrepid |
| 05:14.33 | allagator | oh god they came out with a new name!? |
| 05:14.44 | allagator | must be that time of the month |
| 05:14.48 | allagator | :D |
| 05:15.05 | hipitihop | yes next one is a real Aussie one |
| 05:15.28 | allagator | isnt intrepid the name of a nasa spoacecraft aswell |
| 05:15.46 | hipitihop | <shrug> |
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| 05:16.24 | hipitihop | hmm, towards bottom someone claims that neither of the fixes work on Intrepid Ibex |
| 05:16.25 | allagator | hey its cool cause the lower half of intrpid is still on the moon |
| 05:16.53 | allagator | and will probably be there for... |
| 05:18.33 | hipitihop | ponders weather to upgrade to 9.04 which came out today |
| 05:18.49 | hipitihop | ponders if he ever learns to spell |
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| 05:21.43 | hipitihop | allagator: ok, rebooting, back in a bit |
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| 05:34.28 | hipitihop | allagator: ok, and host reboot does not appear to ave fixed it either |
| 05:36.19 | allagator | hm |
| 05:36.33 | allagator | i've run out of ideas |
| 05:39.13 | hipitihop | no idea what has changed, the most major change it flashing latest SHR unstable |
| 05:39.27 | hipitihop | tempted to reflesh back to previous to see |
| 05:39.46 | allagator | testing cant hurt |
| 05:40.21 | allagator | last i heard they migrated unstable to testing but it gets looked after more carefully |
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| 05:43.43 | hipitihop | but as you say, you feel the neo is fine |
| 05:45.18 | allagator | i'd think |
| 05:45.56 | allagator | cant hurt to try |
| 05:46.14 | allagator | worst it does is kill time and piss you off |
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| 05:49.10 | hipitihop | allagator: well, well, well |
| 05:49.27 | hipitihop | refalsged just the kernel and away we go |
| 05:49.45 | hipitihop | so who & how do I report that ? |
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| 05:50.06 | hipitihop | I guess just post it on the list |
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| 05:52.58 | hipitihop | any SHR or kernel devs here ? |
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| 05:58.32 | allagator | they're pretty active in there |
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| 08:13.15 | Beers | is there a guide to take a Freerunner appart so I can apply the buzz fix? |
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| 08:42.43 | PierreN | does anyone know where to get the glibc-binary-localedata-fr-fr |
| 08:42.52 | PierreN | for shr testing please ? |
| 08:42.59 | PierreN | because : |
| 08:43.04 | PierreN | root@om-gta02 ~ $ opkg list | grep glibc-binary-localedata |
| 08:43.04 | PierreN | glibc-binary-localedata-en-us - 2.6.1-r15 - binary locale definition for en-us |
| 08:43.07 | PierreN | :s |
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| 08:47.05 | jc | PierreN: downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/glibc-binary-localedata-fr-fr_2.6.1-r15_armv4t.ipk |
| 08:47.44 | max_posedon | PierreN, try opkg update before |
| 08:47.49 | PierreN | max_posedon: i did |
| 08:48.03 | PierreN | jc : thanks |
| 08:48.09 | max_posedon | which disto you use? |
| 08:48.16 | jc | PierreN: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/obsolete-images/repository/Om2007.2/armv4t/glibc-binary-localedata-fr-fr_2.6.1-r6_armv4t.ipk |
| 08:48.16 | jc | http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/experimental/armv4t/glibc-binary-localedata-fr-fr_2.6.1-r15_armv4t.ipk |
| 08:48.16 | jc | http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/experimental/armv6/glibc-binary-localedata-fr-fr_2.6.1-r15_armv6.ipk |
| 08:48.16 | jc | http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/armv4t/glibc-binary-localedata-fr-fr_2.6.1-r15_armv4t.ipk |
| 08:48.38 | PierreN | which one tu use jc ? |
| 08:48.45 | PierreN | max_posedon: shr testing |
| 08:49.44 | jc | PierreN: to be honest, I have no idea. |
| 08:50.46 | jc | PierreN: I wish I could tell you, but I couldn't. |
| 08:51.00 | PierreN | ok |
| 08:51.15 | PierreN | prefer the unstable one |
| 08:52.38 | Beers | is there a nice guide how to take a freerunner apart so I can apply the buzzfiz? |
| 08:53.01 | max_posedon | PierreN, you shouldn't |
| 08:53.09 | max_posedon | all devs forgot about unstable |
| 08:53.22 | max_posedon | you should just file a bug, or ask them about your problem |
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| 08:54.22 | tore | &Wi22 |
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| 09:02.21 | jc | PierreN: you might check your source setting to find out which one is closed to your need. |
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| 09:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | Beers: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 |
| 09:26.18 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 09:26.39 | Beers | that is for 1973 but is it the same for freerunner? |
| 09:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | Beers: yup |
| 09:29.48 | DocScrutinizer | Beers: U know, case hasn't changed |
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| 11:18.53 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libeflvala * r0948f9071286 10/vapi/evas.vapi: |
| 11:18.53 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: evas.vapi: Canvas is now a real class with its assorted functions |
| 11:18.53 | CIA-45 | freesmartphone.org: NOTE: Please use consistent lexical style |
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| 12:06.48 | hipitihop | anyone flashed SHR unstable Apr 23 (latest) including kernel and can connect via SSH ? |
| 12:07.44 | max_posedon | forget about shr-unstable temporary, use shr-testing |
| 12:08.07 | Beers | hipitihop: I did |
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| 12:09.21 | hipitihop | max_posedon: I previously had unstable from Apr 9. So where about is shr-testing in that range ? |
| 12:09.53 | max_posedon | shr-testing is a `branch` |
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| 13:01.30 | TAsn | hipitihop, the interface changed name to ethX instead of usbX so change you connection commands on the computer. |
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| 13:32.28 | PierreN | i'm trying to install shr unstable on my device with latest build... works fine but i can't neither ping it nor ssh to it... is it a known issue please ? |
| 13:33.02 | PierreN | oops sorry |
| 13:33.27 | PierreN | just few lines "ago" same problem... |
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| 14:58.18 | kinneh | there is no accelerometer in neo right? |
| 14:58.50 | max_posedon | if 2 means no, then yes. |
| 14:59.18 | kinneh | ok |
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| 14:59.59 | mjr | kinneh, no in neo 1973, yes in neo freerunner |
| 15:00.10 | kinneh | yes I thought so |
| 15:00.21 | kinneh | from linuxdevices.com The "Neo FreeRunner" resembles OpenMoko's original Neo1973 model, but with WiFi, 3D accelerometers, and a faster processor |
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| 15:25.22 | Bert_2 | the latest shr-unstable's interface when connected to a PC shows up as eth2 on my PC and no longer as usb0, is this a bug or a change to the system or something ? |
| 15:28.48 | Weiss | Bert_2: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-April/005384.html |
| 15:31.24 | Bert_2 | Weiss: sorry, hadn't checked that, I'll change my auto connect scripts to the new way of doing things |
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| 15:32.01 | Bert_2 | Weiss: the only odd thing is that I'm using uBoot but still get the official mac, altought the post claims I shouldn't |
| 15:32.27 | Bert_2 | Weiss: or wait, unstable should always do it (I read testing instead of unstable) |
| 15:33.24 | Weiss | hmm, dont know any further details i'm afraid :0 |
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| 15:34.51 | Bert_2 | Weiss: no problem, I know enough, thanks |
| 15:35.18 | Bert_2 | but now I'mm off, I have to focus on installing openmoocow :D :P |
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| 15:54.55 | vininim | uh, all of sudden usb networking by using a 28 bit netmask stopped working |
| 15:55.37 | slaxxer | is it shr unstable? |
| 15:56.36 | vininim | too, but i tried om.2009 snapshot and it's the same |
| 15:56.47 | vininim | not the usb0 -> eth1 issue |
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| 16:53.14 | wurp2 | Is anyone using a bluetooth keyboard with a recent SHR release? |
| 16:53.21 | wurp2 | It doesn't work for me (It used to work just fine, but that was months ago) |
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| 21:49.26 | PierreN | anyone here using fatfingershell ? |
| 21:49.33 | PierreN | i can't get it started |
| 21:50.40 | eolson1 | worked for me (i'm running fso 5.1) |
| 21:53.27 | eolson1 | make sure you have dependencies installed and type ./fatfingershell.sh. if you paste the error, someone here might know the problem |
| 21:56.40 | eolson1 | (maybe "I'm using shr" is more accurate than fso, since I have shr package feeds) |
| 22:03.34 | PierreN | eolson1: i'm on shr testing |
| 22:04.38 | PierreN | here is what i got : http://pastie.org/457580 |
| 22:05.34 | PierreN | the screen is switched, but it doesnt display neither a console nor a keyboard. and few seconds later, screen come back in normal state |
| 22:06.51 | PierreN | and installed opkg install libsdl-1.2-0 libsdl-mixer-1.2-0 libsdl-ttf |
| 22:07.02 | PierreN | done a export TERM=vt100 |
| 22:07.19 | allagator | oh neat i have to install that |
| 22:07.39 | shellevil | IIRC the default termcap may not have vt100 in it |
| 22:07.44 | eolson1 | PierreN, do you have bash installed? |
| 22:08.09 | eolson1 | and did you create a .bashrc with "export TERM=vt100" ? |
| 22:08.12 | allagator | libsdl_ttf? |
| 22:08.24 | allagator | http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/README.txt |
| 22:08.49 | eolson1 | allagator, libsdl-ttf |
| 22:15.38 | PierreN | well bash was missing |
| 22:16.07 | PierreN | though that i had it since i have /shell/ accesse through ssh |
| 22:16.36 | eolson1 | makes sense, does it work? |
| 22:16.46 | allagator | ash |
| 22:16.47 | PierreN | yes perfectly |
| 22:16.52 | eolson1 | cool :) |
| 22:17.04 | PierreN | are you the author ? |
| 22:17.11 | eolson1 | no, i just tried it a couple days ago :) |
| 22:17.14 | PierreN | ok ^^ |
| 22:17.17 | PierreN | cool app |
| 22:17.37 | PierreN | now an "sms" and "dial" command line app would be cool to |
| 22:18.06 | PierreN | ^^ |
| 22:19.56 | eolson1 | yeah, I practiced typing a little. I "think" I could learn to type pretty fast with that, but a slightly bigger screen would have helped for the top row. |
| 22:19.57 | allagator | could do without the sound junk |
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| 22:20.29 | eolson1 | nods to allagator |
| 22:20.33 | PierreN | yes top keys are "hard" to get (it slows your typing) |
| 22:20.40 | allagator | ./fatfingershell -e bash <--- looks like the only part that "needs" bash you coulda tried ./fatfindershel -e /bin/sh i bet |
| 22:21.02 | allagator | (fatfingershell.sh) |
| 22:21.10 | PierreN | or ./fatfingershell.sh -e zsh ? |
| 22:21.25 | PierreN | does anyone tried to port zsh to freerunner ? |
| 22:21.28 | eolson1 | right, well, there's probably a reason the default sh didn't work. |
| 22:21.37 | PierreN | that would be cool to =) |
| 22:21.52 | PierreN | did anyone try* |
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| 22:22.20 | allagator | not that i really mind cause i love bash |
| 22:22.34 | allagator | echo $RAND |
| 22:22.43 | PierreN | zsh is better i believe |
| 22:23.56 | PierreN | not so fast and lightweight that's true (so not really designed for portable devices, but who cares ?), but much more powerfull & easy to use |
| 22:28.26 | shellevil | 'No, my phone can't download from itunes, but here - look at the shell syntax!' |
| 22:29.46 | allagator | but my phone can torrent :D |
| 22:29.55 | PierreN | ^^ |
| 22:30.03 | allagator | scew itunes |
| 22:30.08 | shellevil | at how many kilobits? :) |
| 22:30.23 | PierreN | assuming you have wifi, very fast |
| 22:30.25 | allagator | actually my phone doesnt have a torrent client |
| 22:30.47 | allagator | my space is already kinda used up |
| 22:30.47 | PierreN | well it would work with a debian distro |
| 22:31.00 | allagator | ctorrent or somethin |
| 22:31.05 | allagator | rtorrent |
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| 22:35.41 | allagator | took a lil hackery but my .desktop works for it exec=cd ~/fatfinger/ && ./fat.sh |
| 22:43.02 | eolson1 | shellevill, bandwidth is irrelevant if your world is ascii. :) |
| 22:44.23 | shellevil | no, it's not. |
| 22:44.42 | shellevil | has used 1200/75 |
| 22:45.40 | eolson1 | shellevil, maybe I mean: if your bandwidth is really low (gprs), your world is ascii |
| 22:46.38 | eolson1 | i'll just pretend i'm in the matrix |
| 22:47.46 | allagator | well being a console whore could really be tough on a phone with 2 buttons |
| 22:48.18 | PierreN | well with fatfingershell it is not |
| 22:49.03 | PierreN | it's easier to type an sms on this shell than in casual illume keyboard, no ? |
| 22:49.36 | allagator | be nice if the illume keyboard had fatfingers way of doing things |
| 22:50.08 | eolson1 | yes, I saw an shr person mention the idea on the mailing list. I don't think anyone's doing it yet, but you could ask in #openmoko-cdevel |
| 22:50.33 | eolson1 | (fatfinger/transparent keyboard in illume/shr) |
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| 22:52.19 | PierreN | i believe that a simple sms command line app would be easier to implement |
| 22:52.56 | PierreN | then when clicking on "answer a sms" on the normal sms app, redirecting to the shell |
| 22:54.22 | PierreN | have a good night (or a good morning) |
| 22:54.42 | neoclust | damn my openmoko doesn't start anymore when i press the start button :/ |
| 22:55.15 | PierreN | neoclust: even with a long press ? |
| 22:55.23 | neoclust | PierreN: yes |
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| 22:55.53 | neoclust | PierreN: i just updated it to latest 2009 snapshot and now ( i know this is unrelated ) it doesn't start |
| 22:56.08 | neoclust | PierreN: if i plug it , the pc doesn't detect it |
| 22:56.21 | PierreN | hint that worked for me : remove battery. press aux (and do not release it) then put battery, press power button then release aux. |
| 22:56.27 | PierreN | it should start |
| 22:56.47 | PierreN | and then you should change u-boot/qi |
| 22:56.58 | neoclust | PierreN: oh yes thanks |
| 22:57.09 | PierreN | your welcome |
| 22:57.25 | PierreN | you're* |
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| 22:57.59 | neoclust | PierreN: i tried to update to qi but i can't access to the NAND mode |
| 22:59.27 | PierreN | well come back to u-boot :p (with steps i said it boots on NOR - where to flash u-boot/qi) |
| 23:02.50 | neoclust | PierreN: just updated to latest u boot version :) |
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| 23:32.05 | allagator | i'd love to reflash my NOR |
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| 23:34.45 | allagator | or let me borrow it |
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