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| 00:29.02 | neoclust | hi |
| 00:30.45 | [_pablomino_]_ | hi |
| 00:30.59 | [_pablomino_]_ | how are you? |
| 00:31.12 | neoclust | hi am trying to update my openmoko to http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/ , i understood how to install uImage-2.6.28-stable+gitr0+f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413-r2-om-gta02.bin but how to install the other like fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2 ? |
| 00:32.08 | bruce_c | neoclust: the uImage is the kernel and the .jffs2 is the rootfs |
| 00:32.19 | [_pablomino_]_ | both should match |
| 00:32.46 | [_pablomino_]_ | the .bin and the .jffs2 are two parts of the same sotfware |
| 00:33.03 | [_pablomino_]_ | if they do not match it may not work |
| 00:33.04 | bruce_c | but they get flashed separately? |
| 00:33.14 | neoclust | [_pablomino_]_: so what is the command ? dfu-util -a kernel -R -D fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2 ? |
| 00:33.23 | bruce_c | neoclust: -a rootfs |
| 00:33.30 | neoclust | ah yes :/ |
| 00:33.33 | [_pablomino_]_ | that is |
| 00:33.39 | neoclust | sorry i missed that line |
| 00:33.41 | [_pablomino_]_ | i use the id of the neo |
| 00:34.29 | [_pablomino_]_ | dfu-util -d 0x1457:0x5119 -a kernel -R -D /path/to/uImage |
| 00:34.30 | [_pablomino_]_ | dfu-util -d 0x1457:0x5119 -a rootfs -R -D rootfs_filename.jffs2 |
| 00:34.59 | bruce_c | there's usually only one DFU device on the bus though |
| 00:35.00 | [_pablomino_]_ | because I have some other dfu capable device connected, ignore which it may be... |
| 00:35.10 | neoclust | and is qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr3b8513d8b3d9615ebda605de4bda18371aa3f359.udfu usefull ? |
| 00:35.45 | bruce_c | neoclust: that's bootloader. You don't often have to update it, but there are sometimes bug fixes |
| 00:36.09 | bruce_c | QI seems faster the u-boot |
| 00:36.21 | bruce_c | s/the/than/ |
| 00:36.54 | neoclust | bruce_c: ok so i will try this one too |
| 00:37.03 | neoclust | thanks all for your help :) |
| 00:37.22 | neoclust | i will try to test and report issues :) |
| 00:37.25 | bruce_c | neoclust: make sure you follow the bootloader flashing instructions though. You need to boot differently |
| 00:38.08 | neoclust | bruce_c: i read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing but like a new i missed the line for the rootfs :/ |
| 00:51.16 | Blu3 | why did the current release of SHR change the root from mtdblock6 to mtdblock4? |
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| 01:04.02 | balrog-kun | probably the NOR is now a module or something |
| 01:04.29 | balrog-kun | hates modules |
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| 01:06.34 | Blu3 | well, that's odd. root still shows up on 6 |
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| 02:19.39 | bruce_c | seems the shr guys disagree with the rest of the world about wifi being a persistent setting :/ |
| 02:25.34 | mwester | how so? |
| 02:26.19 | bruce_c | they closed as wontfix, apparently saying you should turn wifi on at every boot |
| 02:26.40 | bruce_c | I'm sure you don't have to do that on other phones |
| 02:27.36 | Blu3 | i quite disagree with shr on this |
| 02:27.45 | BillK | bruce_c: the workaround is to wrap your wifi app (mofi?) in a script that turns |
| 02:27.47 | mwester | Well, you can argue your case on the SHR mailing list |
| 02:27.56 | BillK | wifi on/off as needed. works a treat and |
| 02:28.00 | BillK | saves on power draw |
| 02:28.08 | Blu3 | it's silly to expect i have to go individually turn on a set of objects when i boot my fone |
| 02:28.29 | balrog-kun | bruce_c: you don't reboot other phones :p |
| 02:28.38 | Blu3 | mwester, what's the point, it keeps getting brought up and shr insists on doing it this way |
| 02:28.52 | mwester | I've only ever heard this requested today |
| 02:28.59 | Blu3 | it's a setting they refuse to let be persistent |
| 02:29.12 | Blu3 | pfft. i brought it up in here about a month ago |
| 02:30.00 | mwester | Well, I expect a patch that would allow one to choose if the wifi state was to be persistent might be viewed more favorably... |
| 02:30.58 | Blu3 | patches would be easier to make if people would be more forthcoming with information, documentation, etc |
| 02:31.01 | bruce_c | and if it's not? Then you've got someone who put a whole lot of work in for nothing |
| 02:34.50 | mwester | Blu3: documentation is all on the freesmartphone website. |
| 02:35.20 | mwester | And source code is freely availalbe for the bits that aren't documented at present. |
| 02:35.39 | mwester | bruce_c: And if it's not, then you'll have that feature for yourself. |
| 02:36.07 | bruce_c | heh, that's true |
| 02:37.25 | Blu3 | the source isn't documented that well and the wiki is often lacking |
| 02:38.52 | mwester | Well, such is the world of software. |
| 02:39.10 | bruce_c | Blu3: you can get more information from apps that use the framework |
| 02:39.25 | bruce_c | for example cellhunter shows how to use the gsm api |
| 02:40.00 | Toaster` | Blu3: Check SHR-Settings for dbus api examples as well |
| 02:40.01 | Blu3 | right now my interest is in digging through SMS to a) fix the broken timestamp and b) be able to have more than ~5 messages |
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| 02:41.47 | mwester | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.html;hb=HEAD |
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| 02:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | Blu3: to expand number of SMS you need to implement the (nowadays very common) scheme of downloading each SMS from SIM to main storage on reception. |
| 02:54.17 | Blu3 | yeah, that sounds easy enough. but digging through shr sms handling code hasn't been sufficiently fruitful yet |
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| 02:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | here were some troll around (hi guys! ;-) stating that keeping SMS on SIM is a *feature* to enable you to port them from phone to phone. I deeply disagree here |
| 02:55.58 | playya_ | yeah. 19 of the important ones |
| 02:57.20 | playya_ | but i have another prob with the glamo. if you suspend your phone >30min you'll get some beatiful white & blue stripes |
| 02:57.53 | Blu3 | well, sms on sim means i can keep about 5 text messages on it |
| 02:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | a WSOD mutation I'd guess |
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| 02:58.11 | Blu3 | and my contact list is almost full too |
| 02:59.09 | playya_ | Blu3, wait for opimd |
| 02:59.41 | Blu3 | i don't want to wait :P opimd is taking a while to come into play |
| 03:00.42 | DocScrutinizer | maybe port Kandy? would enable you to copy SMS and contacts between SIM and main storage |
| 03:01.02 | Blu3 | my first priority is getting timestamps fixed |
| 03:01.21 | CVirus | what is the name of the packaging standard that freesmartphone uses ? |
| 03:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | AFAIK there simply are no stamps on SIM |
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| 03:02.19 | Blu3 | i'm sure there is, when late text messages came in on my other fones, i saw the original sending time |
| 03:02.27 | Blu3 | but regardless, there is always gettimeofday() |
| 03:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe we should take care about the calypso RTC which starts a 00:00 1970 or sth each time you power up the modem |
| 03:03.16 | Blu3 | linux handles that |
| 03:03.27 | playya_ | CVirus, fso doesn't use a standard. but maybe you mean opkg? |
| 03:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | nope, not for calypso |
| 03:03.30 | Blu3 | oh, another bug. incoming calls don't honor timezone setting |
| 03:03.56 | CVirus | playya_: I'm talking about the naming conventions of org.foo.bar.zot or com.foo.bar.zot |
| 03:04.01 | Blu3 | well, linux gets the time right very quickly after the kernel starts booting |
| 03:04.10 | CVirus | org.apache.foo |
| 03:04.18 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but not calypso though |
| 03:04.20 | playya_ | CVirus, the DBus API? |
| 03:05.11 | CVirus | playya_: what naming conventions are those ? why start with org or com ? |
| 03:05.50 | playya_ | ok. its because of: you want to have a unique name |
| 03:05.56 | DocScrutinizer | Blu3: you are aware of the difference between "linux" (=main system, RTC in PCF50633 PMU) and calypso modem (own RTC witch is going beeep each time you power up the GSM)? |
| 03:06.08 | Blu3 | yes |
| 03:06.34 | Blu3 | and i'm saying that linux gets the time right, so that can be sourced when fixing up everything else |
| 03:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | And I'm suggesting to adjust modem RTC to get correct timestamps for SIM in the first instance |
| 03:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | possibly |
| 03:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | pondering to create a FSO ticket |
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| 03:10.22 | playya_ | CVirus, i don't know how to explain this in a short form in english. but it differs to the correct usage of URIs |
| 03:10.38 | mwester | playya_: what distro and which kernel? |
| 03:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | #406 |
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| 03:54.11 | playya_ | mwester, shr-testing |
| 03:54.19 | playya_ | kernel... 1s |
| 03:55.29 | playya_ | mwester, no 2.6.29 |
| 03:56.42 | mwester | Can you build and test the latest kernel? |
| 03:57.51 | playya_ | tomorow |
| 03:58.04 | playya_ | i'm currently@ laptop |
| 03:58.21 | playya_ | i have a quad core @ 2nd home |
| 03:58.30 | mwester | :) |
| 03:58.54 | mwester | Ok. I reverted a commit that is thought to have reintroduced the WSOD problem... |
| 03:59.15 | playya_ | its faster to get there & build an image from scratch instead of wating > 2 days ;) |
| 03:59.20 | mwester | If you can confirm that it fixes it, I'd like to confirm to the kernel list. |
| 03:59.27 | playya_ | wsod problem? |
| 03:59.36 | mwester | White Screen of Death. |
| 04:00.18 | mwester | Which we now know has several variations, including bands of colors -- it's timing-related. |
| 04:00.30 | playya_ | Linux om-gta02 2.6.28-rc4 #1 PREEMPT Wed Apr 8 04:59:39 CEST 2009 armv4tl unknown |
| 04:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: even that seems to be half-confirmed at best |
| 04:01.19 | mwester | Apparently, the kernel was chugging along without any glamo issues, so rather than leave well-enough alone, somebody had to try to tweak it to get a millisecond or two faster suspend/resume out of it. :( |
| 04:01.23 | DocScrutinizer | (timing) |
| 04:01.42 | DocScrutinizer | waaaahhhhhhh :-( |
| 04:01.52 | playya_ | is it related to the black/white issue? |
| 04:02.22 | playya_ | i build it on my own. not an official image |
| 04:02.50 | playya_ | but if i should attach gdb to a process: i have it on my phone ;) |
| 04:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | anyway back when (my investigations eported on trac) the idea was to fix WSOD by switching down PMU power for LCM, and (!!!) setting glamo interface lines tristate, during suspend. So for LCM a resume from suspend would be no diff at all to a regular boot which never seen any WSOD so far |
| 04:04.12 | mwester | You'll have to update your shr build env to pick up the changes, but if you've built recently it should be pretty quick, just the kernel and couple of sundry other patches. |
| 04:04.41 | playya_ | ok |
| 04:05.02 | mwester | DocScrutinizer: I have no idea what was ever done with that; that was an area that Andy took great care to keep everyone away from. |
| 04:05.02 | playya_ | i can do a build from scratch if you need a tester. |
| 04:05.21 | mwester | No, don't need a build from scratch for this one. |
| 04:05.40 | playya_ | ok. testing or unstable? |
| 04:05.47 | DocScrutinizer | yup, and when I came up with this idea he stated "I've been there first, will be implemented next patchday" |
| 04:06.50 | playya_ | DocScrutinizer, 03/31/09? |
| 04:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
| 04:07.18 | playya_ | the day before openmoko lost half of their staff? |
| 04:07.52 | DocScrutinizer | that's been quite some weeks before. Anyway what is the sory with this date? |
| 04:07.58 | DocScrutinizer | sTory |
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| 04:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | I really don't get the (nonexistent ;) context of your question |
| 04:08.51 | playya_ | oh. i thought that was the date |
| 04:09.29 | DocScrutinizer | if it even was a question, not a typo to add the "?" |
| 04:09.34 | playya_ | andy:"next patchday"----- he's gone |
| 04:09.52 | DocScrutinizer | that's been sometime in 2008Nov iirc |
| 04:10.05 | playya_ | oh ok. |
| 04:10.29 | playya_ | i should follow the mailinglist more carefully |
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| 04:19.01 | playya_ | good night |
| 04:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | night playya_ |
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| 04:43.18 | Blu3 | rather odd. with the current unstable shr, i can send sms but not receive. incoming mms lands on my fone fine but not sms |
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| 05:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: you noticed [2009-04-19 06:04:08] <DocScrutinizer> anyway back when ... ? |
| 05:57.15 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: nope, just woke up, gotta read my backlog. |
| 05:57.53 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: it's about WSOD |
| 05:58.01 | PaulFertser | I see now. |
| 06:00.23 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: If tristating of all lines is easily doable, i don't understand why nobody tried that yet. |
| 06:01.08 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i'll try to put my FR to some 5C now to see if i can reproduce WSOD with the latest kernel (without the commit revert). |
| 06:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | I think it's feasible, or at least drawing all lines to low is |
| 06:02.37 | DocScrutinizer | iirc there's even some registers to adjust drivepower of the lcm-lines. nobody checked this as well |
| 06:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: maybe shutdown of LDO is even implemented and wsod is some kind of sequencing/ordering issue on resume then. not so unlikely |
| 06:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: or LDO is switched down, but glamo lines reverse-feed LCM |
| 06:06.54 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: and it looks like only Andy and Nicolas know details atm, i assume. Well, not cool. |
| 06:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: funny footnote: M800 has BSOD issue very regularly as well, so LCM and especially switching landscape/portrait of LCM seems flakey by design |
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| 06:09.19 | DocScrutinizer | (this is windoofmoob6 with original toploy driver I'd guess) |
| 06:11.24 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: hehe. Still there're no WSOD ever on boot. So tristating method should in theory work. |
| 06:11.29 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: so our best bet is to "reboot" the LCM on resume (besides it's the correct way for GTA01/2 hw to suspend the LCM) |
| 06:12.25 | DocScrutinizer | LCM genuine suspend is for hw only that has no better way to powerdown the LCM |
| 06:12.35 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: no surprise that original driver sucks. Almost all do afaik. |
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| 06:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | I really wonder how much of this rationale Nicolas is aware of |
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| 06:17.07 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: the rationale you outline is dead simple. Turn off device, turn off every line that can feed power to him. |
| 06:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
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| 06:18.34 | DocScrutinizer | we didn't try to implement this when I was in TPE investigating wsod, as it inplicated cross-driver dependencies once again |
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| 06:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | and Andy stated "I have already implemented that". Dunno if it's really and fully there now |
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| 06:55.39 | PaulFertser | Just took my FR out of the freezer (-5C or something), unsuspended -- no WSOD. So not reproducible here :-/ |
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| 07:00.32 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, I *know* this so good |
| 07:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: you got a good LCM ;-) |
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| 07:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | or whatever |
| 07:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | that's the spice in wsod-investigations. You just don't find a reasonable relation between test setup and probability of wsod showing up |
| 07:05.37 | DocScrutinizer | except temperature (well at least sort of) |
| 07:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | in TPE we found just *one* device (regina, #54. iirc) that reliably showed WSOD |
| 07:08.06 | DocScrutinizer | BUT lcm swapped to another device-> no wsod. #54 with different lcm->no wsod. So...??? |
| 07:09.23 | DocScrutinizer | maybe we should recommend to users suffering from wsod to swap their lcm ;D |
| 07:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | with each other |
| 07:11.06 | PaulFertser | Yep, read it on trac. |
| 07:11.24 | PaulFertser | (swapping LCDs) Great solution. Almost as great as buzz-fixing parties ;) |
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| 07:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | hehe. never underestimate the social component in community. "first time we met we swapped our lcm. now we're married for 5 years..." |
| 07:14.38 | doc|home | you want to be careful though, I've heard you can get viruses that way |
| 07:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 07:24.11 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: anyway I read 2.6.29 recovers from wsod with next suspend. when I investigated wsod, it didn't even recover on hard reset->reboot. only way was removing power from lcm. so this seems to indicate LDO switchoff is implemented in 2.6.29 |
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| 07:32.03 | beer_ | morning |
| 07:32.11 | DocScrutinizer | mooo |
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| 07:32.38 | PaulFertser | feels powerless |
| 07:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | offers to prepare a coffee for paul as well |
| 07:33.52 | beer_ | coffe is for the weekminded :) One shall drink pure coke |
| 07:34.36 | PaulFertser | Coffee makes me thursty. I see no pratical reason to drink it :) |
| 07:34.42 | DocScrutinizer | raster fan club president? |
| 07:36.50 | DocScrutinizer | we mustn't miss to get two extra cases of raster's favorite coke for fsoshrcon |
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| 07:41.36 | beer_ | I think I would try the latest shr build. QT improved extended work nice, but I felt that I would like to try something "new" |
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| 07:45.46 | DocScrutinizer | beer_: go ahead |
| 07:46.35 | beer_ | qi should be bether than u-boot? |
| 07:48.44 | bruce_c | it seems to make the FR boot faster |
| 07:49.06 | bruce_c | but there's no boot menu, so I'm not sure it's 'better' |
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| 07:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
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| 07:52.41 | Defiant | bruce_c: Had the same impression about speed |
| 07:52.47 | Defiant | bruce_c: What do you need the boot menu for? |
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| 07:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | Defiant: to boot GSM-flashing uSD? |
| 07:56.04 | Defiant | DocScrutinizer: Can use the nor-uboot for that, or? |
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| 07:56.15 | beer_ | there is other ways of flashing the gsm |
| 07:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | Defiant: you even should, exactly for this very reason :) |
| 07:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | beer_: but none that's nearly as uncomplicated and safe |
| 07:57.37 | Defiant | DocScrutinizer: I'm not even using the GSM of the freerunner... |
| 07:57.49 | DocScrutinizer | not my problem |
| 07:58.14 | Defiant | I don't think of that as a problem... |
| 07:58.58 | beer_ | I was using http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#Phase_1:_Preparations yesterday without problems |
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| 08:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | well the preparations aren't that difficult (if I didn't occasionally mess up the permissions of the files in my people drawer ;D ) |
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| 08:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless uSD method seems to become SOP recommended by OM |
| 08:06.00 | DocScrutinizer | for now it's recommended by me |
| 08:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | as all "HELP! I bricked my modem" calls were by using manual method |
| 08:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | caused by even |
| 08:10.39 | bruce_c | Defiant: I don't. I'm just saying that for those people who like the menu or want features u-boot provides (like net-booting?) QI might not be "better". For me, I prefer QI's speed and don't need the menu |
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| 08:49.04 | beer_ | have someone in tried the new om2009 from the 13. april? |
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| 10:24.07 | neoclust | beer_: i tried the one from the 19 april |
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| 10:55.25 | Kero | neoclust: and, is it good? |
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| 11:03.15 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r65ac2fde54f8 10/framework/ (6 files in 6 dirs): refactor killall into framework.patterns.utilities module |
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| 12:08.09 | badcloud | anyone know an alarm clock for fso? |
| 12:11.24 | BillK | ffalarm from opkg.org - good |
| 12:16.14 | badcloud | thanks |
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| 12:19.04 | badcloud | segfaulted illume and can't find atd as a depend |
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| 12:20.00 | dns53 | atd is in shr |
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| 12:21.23 | badcloud | installed it and getting a 'no output' run error |
| 12:21.35 | badcloud | (for ffalarms) |
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| 12:23.14 | bruce_c | hmm time to give up building shr under FreeBSD. It's too linux specific :/ |
| 12:24.07 | tore | bruce_c: install a virtual machine with linux? ;P |
| 12:24.25 | viq | And come back a week later to see if it finished building ;) |
| 12:25.32 | bruce_c | tore: I've done that - got a VMware virtual machine with Ubuntu |
| 12:26.04 | bruce_c | I was hoping to get it running on freebsd though. I've got a couple of patches at least to make it more portable |
| 12:27.03 | balrog-kun | you could probably make a chroot with all the linux userspace installed in it |
| 12:27.10 | balrog-kun | under freebsd |
| 12:28.26 | bruce_c | yup |
| 12:28.57 | bruce_c | I've installed linux_base-f9 which should work. |
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| 12:38.37 | tore | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.53 | Defiant | hmm. What bluetooth range do you get with the freerunner? |
| 12:40.01 | Defiant | my connection dies after 3m |
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| 13:02.59 | DocScrutinizer | Defiant: seems within spec still |
| 13:03.54 | Defiant | DocScrutinizer: Without reading spec...an faw here says something about 10m typical |
| 13:04.45 | Defiant | found the problem btw...bluetooth receiver was not where it was supposed to |
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| 15:14.03 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rde49aac3b949 10/framework/patterns/processguard.py: patterns/processguard: introduce hadpid, so we have a handle to check for after a process ended |
| 15:14.05 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * rac37c927b78f 10/ (ChangeLog framework/subsystems/odeviced/audio.py): |
| 15:14.05 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: odeviced: audio: introduce AlsaPlayer using aplay for wav playback. |
| 15:14.05 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: This should improve playback latency, if e.g. a .wav is selected as ringtone. |
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| 16:35.48 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r08aa67ed29fb 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/unsolicited.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO] report call mode (voice, data, ...) in org.freesmartphone.GSM.CallStatus |
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| 16:42.24 | qknight | hello |
| 16:42.53 | qknight | i would like to use gps with tangogps and of course wlan with wpa2 and also have a nice settings dialog like enable wifi and stuff |
| 16:42.57 | qknight | which distro should i use? |
| 16:44.04 | max_posedon | if mofi can do what you want - any, if don't - no one. |
| 16:44.59 | alphaone | if you want GPS to be enabled on demand - FSO based |
| 16:45.05 | d1b | qknight: debian isok |
| 16:45.24 | Zorkman | qknight: shr |
| 16:45.40 | Zorkman | qknight: shr-testing to be more precise |
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| 16:48.12 | qknight | http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ <- what to download? |
| 16:53.58 | qknight | ok, i will try shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
| 16:55.12 | Zorkman | yes indeed |
| 16:55.17 | Zorkman | that is the one if you want to boot from NAND |
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| 16:57.24 | qknight | thanks |
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| 17:24.13 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * r882ca6eab68a 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ogsmd: do not bail out if call mode is != VOICE |
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| 17:25.55 | neoclust | does someone has this issue with om2009? when i suspend the phone and start it again i can call because i have a window with numbers from 1 to 4 |
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| 17:30.24 | badcloud | hey folks |
| 17:33.40 | Sharwin_F | neoclust, isn't that to block screen and you have to press 1,2,3,4 to unblock it? |
| 17:34.18 | neoclust | Sharwin_F: aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh sorry i didn't understood this |
| 17:34.21 | neoclust | Sharwin_F: sorry :/ |
| 17:34.38 | Sharwin_F | neoclust, ^^ |
| 17:34.48 | neoclust | so now i find om2009 very good :D |
| 17:34.56 | Sharwin_F | neoclust, I knew that because I remember someone yesterday at the buzz fix party doing that hehe |
| 17:35.30 | qknight | i've installed shr current but i don't have tangogps and using ssh+opkg install tangogps says it was already installed |
| 17:35.33 | qknight | so what? |
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| 17:35.59 | Sharwin_F | qknight, it's problem of the .desktop file |
| 17:36.18 | Sharwin_F | qknight, try doing $tangogps on the console, it should work :P |
| 17:36.43 | Sharwin_F | to get an icon, modify /usr/share/applications/tangogps.desktop |
| 17:36.54 | Sharwin_F | and set a right category |
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| 17:37.06 | Sharwin_F | I suppouse that should work |
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| 17:38.28 | neoclust | Sharwin_F: you know how to block the tel ? ( the old left button isn't working now ) |
| 17:38.31 | qknight | Sharwin_F: thanks! |
| 17:39.07 | Sharwin_F | neoclust, nope, never used 2009 :P |
| 17:39.10 | neoclust | Sharwin_F: found one :) all changed :) |
| 17:39.25 | Sharwin_F | but as you said, suspending it block it, isn't it? :P |
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| 17:39.49 | neoclust | Sharwin_F: yes but i didn't know if suspens still allowed to receive call |
| 17:39.54 | neoclust | Sharwin_F: i tested and is OK :) |
| 17:40.13 | Sharwin_F | good :) |
| 17:42.16 | qknight | Sharwin_F: setting: Categories=GTK;Network; i n/usr/share/applications/tangogps.desktop made it work |
| 17:43.44 | Sharwin_F | qknight, there you have tangogps then ^^ |
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| 17:44.40 | lord-carlos | is there a way to make a screenshot in SHR unstable? |
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| 17:48.05 | Sharwin_F | lord-carlos, install gpe-screenshot |
| 17:48.17 | lord-carlos | thanks |
| 17:49.00 | Sharwin_F | lord-carlos, gpe-scap sorry |
| 17:49.43 | Sharwin_F | lord-carlos, were you in barcelona yesterday? xD |
| 17:50.04 | lord-carlos | mhh why? |
| 17:50.24 | lord-carlos | i was drinkung with some friends yesterday |
| 17:50.29 | lord-carlos | *drinking |
| 17:51.19 | Sharwin_F | i think there was someone who came from denmark, and you've a spanish name on the nick, so, just probable :P |
| 17:52.14 | lord-carlos | hehe |
| 17:52.16 | lord-carlos | ok |
| 17:53.15 | qknight | tangogps is really great |
| 17:53.23 | qknight | how can i check if this gps unit is working? |
| 17:53.29 | qknight | the time it measured it correct |
| 17:53.53 | qknight | does the system sync to gps clock? |
| 17:54.45 | Sharwin_F | qknight, gps chip turns on automatically when starting tangogps |
| 17:55.02 | Sharwin_F | you hsluld have a fix if you are in the right place for that :P |
| 17:55.27 | lord-carlos | the first fix can take some time |
| 17:55.51 | ndnihil | yes it can |
| 17:55.56 | ndnihil | thought mine was broken |
| 17:56.00 | ndnihil | but I was just impatient |
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| 17:58.00 | qknight | i'll be patient then |
| 17:58.24 | qknight | gps conditions are not perfect so i have to try it outside once that OSM download finished |
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| 18:15.20 | Digital-Pioneer | OK, I wrote this a while back: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner But now those dbus calls don't work. Does anyone know what replaced them? |
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| 18:17.14 | beer_ | I am just wondering when gta02v8 will be out in the shops |
| 18:17.31 | Digital-Pioneer | There's a v8 out now? I don't even know what v# I have... |
| 18:18.14 | beer_ | people have been tanking about a v8 that should be nearly bug free (hardware wise) |
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| 18:19.35 | Digital-Pioneer | And can I just trade my v? in for a v8 without buying a whole new phone? :P |
| 18:20.51 | beer_ | some of the fixed can be done by humans but you need to know what to do or you will brik you phone |
| 18:21.25 | beer_ | but I dont know if there will be free chageing of phones |
| 18:21.40 | PaulFertser | Digital-Pioneer: what dbus calls don't work? I guess i can deduce a new way, just tell me what exactly doesn't work. |
| 18:22.12 | lord-carlos | does the v8 fix the no-bass sound problem when using headphones? |
| 18:22.16 | Digital-Pioneer | PaulFertser: Well, neither of the ones in the wiki section I made work... |
| 18:22.41 | Digital-Pioneer | PaulFertser: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner Scroll down a bit, and there's two of them. |
| 18:22.47 | PaulFertser | lord-carlos: sort-off. Still 4.7u is far from enough. Improves, but nowhere near solves. |
| 18:23.05 | Digital-Pioneer | One of them still appears when I get the list from mdbus but it just won't work. |
| 18:23.07 | lord-carlos | ok |
| 18:23.15 | lord-carlos | thanks for the info |
| 18:23.17 | Digital-Pioneer | The SetBTHeadsetAddress one is gone entirely.. |
| 18:24.27 | Digital-Pioneer | I'm doing an opkg upgrade now, hopefully that'll clear some stuff up. |
| 18:25.17 | Digital-Pioneer | I'm rather hoping that bluetooth will 'just work' if I can figure out what dbus calls to make, since A2DP works beautifully. |
| 18:25.25 | Digital-Pioneer | (Using mplayer) |
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| 18:27.57 | badcloud | anyone develop a daemon to have the touchscreen disabled and enabled by pressing the aux button? |
| 18:28.20 | Digital-Pioneer | badcloud: SHR used to do that, but it doesn't work anymore... :\ |
| 18:28.25 | Digital-Pioneer | I want it back. |
| 18:28.30 | Digital-Pioneer | Badly. LOL |
| 18:28.31 | badcloud | I hear you |
| 18:28.49 | badcloud | but how are you getting along without sms name resolution? |
| 18:28.57 | badcloud | and lost sms's, for that matter |
| 18:29.03 | Digital-Pioneer | Very well, I don't SMS. :) |
| 18:29.10 | badcloud | roight, good |
| 18:29.35 | Digital-Pioneer | I'm not gonna pay $20/month or c20/SMS for a service that it costs them 0/year to provide. |
| 18:29.48 | badcloud | good point |
| 18:29.55 | Digital_Pioneer | Hehe |
| 18:30.06 | badcloud | so how long have you been using the fr consecutively? |
| 18:30.21 | Digital_Pioneer | Uhhh, as long as I've had a cell phone. :P |
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| 18:30.31 | badcloud | wow |
| 18:30.35 | Digital_Pioneer | Less than a year, but more than 6 months I'd say. |
| 18:30.35 | badcloud | I'm impressed |
| 18:30.45 | badcloud | I had to rebound on and off to my old phone |
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| 18:31.07 | Digital_Pioneer | Heheh, I'm not important enough for people to actually call me. Just a random college kid. |
| 18:31.38 | Digital_Pioneer | But a random college kid who's very proud of his phone. Hahah |
| 18:31.49 | badcloud | well, I'm struggling to use it as a biz phone |
| 18:31.58 | badcloud | I'm proud of it too |
| 18:32.04 | badcloud | but more about what it represents |
| 18:32.18 | badcloud | at this point, it's more about keeping a religion alive |
| 18:32.43 | Digital_Pioneer | I always laugh at all those poor fools with iPhones. I mean, they COULD be dealing with segfaults and kernel panics, but NOOO. Instead they pay $3/day. Hahah |
| 18:32.49 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL |
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| 18:33.19 | badcloud | some days I wonder if that's worth the money |
| 18:33.33 | badcloud | not having to worry about segfaults and k panic |
| 18:33.42 | badcloud | not to mention apps not working |
| 18:33.43 | Digital_Pioneer | I wouldn't pay $3/day for a phone if it made my breakfast for me. |
| 18:34.14 | badcloud | I'd ask for poached |
| 18:34.26 | Digital_Pioneer | Besides, I'm already infamous as a Linux elitist, so I couldn't possibly reduce myself to becoming an iDrone. |
| 18:34.43 | badcloud | me too |
| 18:34.51 | badcloud | but I can't take the stress |
| 18:34.53 | Digital_Pioneer | Hehehe |
| 18:35.28 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, I get pretty mad at my FR sometimes, but then I threaten it with the idea of buying a G1 and it starts acting OK again. |
| 18:35.32 | mwester | is pragmatist, and lives largely stress-free. :p |
| 18:35.39 | Digital_Pioneer | Hahah |
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| 18:37.18 | Digital_Pioneer | I probably would've gotten a G1 if T-Mobile had service where I live. But then I would've had to live without the joys of SSH'ing into my phone, and what fun would that be?? |
| 18:38.35 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: So any idea what DBUS calls to make to tell frameworkd I want to use bluetooth? Heheh |
| 18:39.12 | beer_ | the funny thing about freerunner vs iPhone is that I know around 8 people who own a freerunner but only one there might buy a iPhone (and he already has mac) |
| 18:39.36 | beer_ | I think that tells os more about my friends that iPhone |
| 18:40.03 | Digital_Pioneer | beer_: Weird. When I got my FR, one person said they were pretty sure they'd seen one before, but didn't know who had it. I only know 2 people or so who even know what a FR is. |
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| 18:41.31 | Digital_Pioneer | Is there some metapackage I can remove that will get rid of all these hundreds of superfluous glibc locales? |
| 18:41.58 | Digital_Pioneer | I really don't need Serbian locales on my phone, and it's taking forever to download them all... :P |
| 18:42.17 | beer_ | 2 of my friends is making a keyboard to Andriod/cupcake-thing (as part of the studering), I am using it as a phone, and the rest is using it as a toy |
| 18:46.30 | beer_ | btw, just as you know it, The world os broken, 4 days ago a job agency did contact me and ask me if I would like to work for a MS golden partner in germeny (I am living in DK and cannot speak germen) and I have been using linux the last 3-4 year (and nearly one year on the phone as well) |
| 18:47.15 | beer_ | and therfore I am going to a job interview tomorrow morning |
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| 18:47.35 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: Yep, now both should be set in opreferences/schema/phone.yaml |
| 18:47.41 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: could you please retry? |
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| 18:52.46 | Q-Master | I'll be able to use Neo as a phone when it'll have a PIM. 8( |
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| 19:19.22 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: in fact, it should be specified in opreferences/schema/phone.yaml , the file i mentioned is a schema :) |
| 19:19.43 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: please retry and report the results. I altered the wiki accordingly. |
| 19:24.04 | PaulFertser | In fact, why doesn't anybody try to use bluetooth headsets? They should work, really. More testing is needed to collect information about problems, compatibility etc. |
| 19:24.29 | ndnihil | I've got an h500 I can test with |
| 19:24.43 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner |
| 19:25.22 | ndnihil | I think I started screwing around with it once but got sidetracked |
| 19:25.58 | ndnihil | bluetooth headsets make you look like a twat though |
| 19:26.09 | ndnihil | particularly when people wear them when not in use |
| 19:26.13 | mwester | is a twit |
| 19:30.13 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: OK, should profilable be yes or no? |
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| 19:31.18 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: you're not supposed to modify the scheme, sorry for the confusion. Though you can change Default to have a permanent setting, i guess. |
| 19:31.35 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: So.. What do I change? |
| 19:31.38 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: set preferences in opreferences/schema/phone.yaml |
| 19:31.50 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, that's what I did. |
| 19:32.10 | Digital_Pioneer | Set enabled to true and put the BT address in. |
| 19:32.20 | Digital_Pioneer | At the end of the file. |
| 19:32.23 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: Ok, did it have any effect? |
| 19:32.51 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Does it just work, or will I need to restart frameworkd? |
| 19:33.01 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: restart |
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| 19:33.14 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, I'm opkg upgrading right now, so I'll reboot after that. |
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| 19:34.00 | Digital_Pioneer | Can I remove all these occursed glibc locales? |
| 19:34.22 | Digital_Pioneer | There's hundreds of them, and they take hours to download. |
| 19:34.44 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: just frameworkd restart is enough btw. |
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| 19:37.52 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: When I do that, my phone stops working right. Seems like other stuff gets confused. |
| 19:38.14 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: ok, take your time to upgrade :) |
| 19:38.43 | Digital_Pioneer | Oh, it's taking its sweet time, that's for sure. |
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| 19:47.27 | ndnihil | PaulFertser: replace the entire section in rules.yaml? mine(SHR testing) looks quite a bit different than the snippet on the wiki |
| 19:48.02 | ndnihil | sorry it's taking me so long, I'm watching 'Slave of the cannibal god' |
| 19:48.04 | ndnihil | :) |
| 19:48.12 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: no, i guess recent versions already ship with correct rules. Just understand that the rule idea is to do - SetScenario(gsmbluetooth) and - BTHeadsetPlaying() |
| 19:48.23 | ndnihil | gotcha |
| 19:48.53 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: in fact you can temporarily change - SetScenario(gsmhandset) to this two bluetooth-enabling strings (for testing). |
| 19:52.56 | ndnihil | gator: 1, search party: 0 |
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| 20:03.06 | ndnihil | hrm |
| 20:03.23 | ndnihil | /org/freesmartphone/Phone: SetBTHeadsetAddress failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod |
| 20:04.20 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: you're not supposed to use that 2 mdbus calls anymore, read carefully. |
| 20:05.04 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: or alter the wiki properly, i'm not in the mood of doing anything that complex atm, sorry. |
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| 20:07.44 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: and in fact i'm particularly bad in writing end-user instructions. |
| 20:07.44 | ndnihil | heheh |
| 20:07.44 | ndnihil | I don't blame you, I hate documentation |
| 20:07.44 | ndnihil | well, hate writing it |
| 20:08.58 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: moreover i'm not native speaker |
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| 20:27.01 | ndnihil | welp |
| 20:27.03 | ndnihil | that sucks |
| 20:27.16 | ndnihil | headset doesnt work, and now neither does fso-settings |
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| 20:29.25 | Q-Master | Does anyone tried blueman? |
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| 20:53.39 | tifereth | hi |
| 20:54.01 | tifereth | i'm trying to update uboot to qi ( freerunner) but get the following error |
| 20:54.08 | tifereth | No such Alternate Setting: "u-boot" |
| 20:54.15 | tifereth | from dfu-util |
| 20:54.27 | Zorkman | tifereth: did you boot into nor? |
| 20:54.56 | tifereth | aux first then power |
| 20:55.08 | Zorkman | should work.... |
| 20:55.29 | tifereth | could my dfu-util too old? |
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| 20:55.40 | Zorkman | don't think so |
| 20:56.10 | Q-Master | had updated to qi ok |
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| 20:56.42 | tifereth | whole dfu output |
| 20:56.43 | tifereth | http://pastebin.com/d23c3800a |
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| 21:33.41 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, my FR is connected to my laptop, but I have no usb0 on the laptop. I have one on the FR, but not on the stupid laptop. |
| 21:33.50 | Digital_Pioneer | How do I get it back? |
| 21:34.10 | Digital_Pioneer | I've got no use for a brick phone that I can't SSH into. LOL |
| 21:34.32 | SpeedEvil | you have cdc_ether on your laptop? |
| 21:34.52 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, it's always worked fine before. |
| 21:35.08 | Digital_Pioneer | Just ran a upgrade and it won't show after rebooting the phone. |
| 21:35.27 | SpeedEvil | plays a short clip of 'Printer Jam by matsubishi', containing the line 'try unplugging it and plugging it again'. |
| 21:35.34 | qknight | i don't get this dropbear to listen on my eth0 (wireless) device |
| 21:35.36 | Digital_Pioneer | Wait.... |
| 21:35.47 | qknight | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#SSH_.28dropbear.29_and_LISTEN_on_all_interfaces <- this was what i tried, setting DROPBEAR_PORT=0.0.0.0:22 |
| 21:36.36 | Digital_Pioneer | !!? It's not usb0 anymore, it changed to eth1. |
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| 21:37.23 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: You still around? |
| 21:38.47 | qknight | just forget what i wanted, i use usb to copy that file now |
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| 22:01.49 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: kind of |
| 22:02.25 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Heheh |
| 22:02.47 | Digital_Pioneer | Fighting to get this thing working, but now the stupid settings GUI is screwed up. |
| 22:02.59 | Digital_Pioneer | Locks up whenever it tries to load any settings modules. |
| 22:03.59 | Digital_Pioneer | qknight: If you want to make dropbear function over wifi, I think you'll need to edit /etc/init.d/dropbear |
| 22:04.18 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: why do you use settings GUI at all? |
| 22:05.27 | Digital_Pioneer | Because I don't have all the dbus calls memorized. |
| 22:06.32 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: for that mdbus supports introspection. |
| 22:07.05 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: i understand that "shr settings" is useful on the road. Not so useful if you have ssh access to your FR. |
| 22:07.05 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, but does it support recursive scanning and semantic searching for methods? Hahah |
| 22:07.20 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, I'd rather it was working on the road too. |
| 22:07.54 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, screw this, I don't care what it breaks. I'm ditching all these blasted glibc locales. |
| 22:08.02 | PaulFertser | Sorry, can't do much about it. Was it shr testing that you opkg upgraded? Probably that wasn't the right thing to do. |
| 22:08.22 | Digital_Pioneer | No, unstable. |
| 22:09.53 | PaulFertser | Well, i don't use SHR myself and even if i did, it'd be unlikely i could help you with shr settings as you don't provide enough debugging information. Sorry for that. |
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| 22:10.41 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, neither does it. |
| 22:17.42 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: sometimes having source and gdb is enough to get all the debugging information needed... |
| 22:18.36 | Digital_Pioneer | True, but I doubt I've got the sources on here... |
| 22:20.03 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: the sources are available from http://git.shr-project.org/ |
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| 22:20.33 | Digital_Pioneer | Is there a way to blacklist packages? |
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| 22:20.50 | Digital_Pioneer | How the heck to I make opkg quit downloading millions of locales I don't want?? |
| 22:21.59 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: opkg fucking sucks, nobody's going to fix it :( i don't know how OE devs still tolerate its existence. |
| 22:22.21 | Sharwin_F | why are we using opkg instead of apt? |
| 22:23.22 | PaulFertser | Sharwin_F: apt is slow on FR, i must admit. Though i prefer correctness to speed in this area. |
| 22:24.05 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Normally I'd complain at the language, but right now I'm ticked off enough to not care. LOL |
| 22:24.20 | Sharwin_F | xD |
| 22:24.30 | Sharwin_F | goes to sleep, byebye |
| 22:25.01 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: language? you mean explecitives? |
| 22:25.21 | Digital_Pioneer | settles in for a pointlessly long waste of his life, while opkg downloads some indeterinate number of worthless glibc locales. |
| 22:25.25 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Yeah |
| 22:25.44 | Digital_Pioneer | Or expletives, depending on your grammar-nazi-ness. |
| 22:26.46 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: my grammar sucks |
| 22:27.05 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: especially at 2:27am |
| 22:27.27 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: why would you complain about it? |
| 22:27.58 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: I don't particularly appreciate profanity. |
| 22:29.11 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: i don't particularly appreciate bananas, but i don't complain about anyone eating them. |
| 22:31.30 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Perhaps a better analogy would be if you're sitting next to a screaming baby. You just don't want to hear it. |
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| 22:34.41 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: never understood that. It's like some words are considered to have some magic influence on the real world and because of that are deemed inappropriate. |
| 22:36.31 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: I don't get it either, honestly, but that's how I was raised. :) |
| 22:38.03 | PaulFertser | Digital_Pioneer: ok, try to not think of "bad" words while using opkg then. Good luck and good night :) |
| 22:42.07 | Digital_Pioneer | PaulFertser: Heheh |
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| 23:27.38 | qknight | just wanted to install the evopedia on my shr image |
| 23:27.45 | qknight | but i seem to lack loop device support in the kernel |
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