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| 00:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: nice: #!/bin/sh \n renice $1 $$ \n shift \n exec $@ |
| 00:30.30 | DocScrutinizer | hates busybox!!! |
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| 01:24.31 | frankS2 | Any bash geeks here? i want to do operation XXX; XXXXX times; then done; |
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| 01:38.55 | DocScrutinizer | frankS2: huh? |
| 01:39.55 | frankS2 | i fiured it out |
| 01:40.00 | frankS2 | used seq |
| 01:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | for ((i=1; i<5; i++)) do echo $i; done |
| 01:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | you said Bash, didn't you? |
| 01:40.37 | frankS2 | yep :) |
| 01:40.51 | frankS2 | sleep 8h && for i in `seq 1 100`; do mplayer "07-hell_rell-damn_im_cool.mp3";done; |
| 01:40.55 | frankS2 | but i used this |
| 01:44.04 | balrog-kun | you could use while true; do |
| 01:44.16 | balrog-kun | in case it doesn't wake you up the first 100 time |
| 01:44.17 | balrog-kun | s |
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| 01:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | ;D |
| 01:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I'd use at for this purpose |
| 01:46.58 | DocScrutinizer | might need a `insserv atd; rcatd start` |
| 01:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | depending on distro |
| 01:48.38 | balrog-kun | i'd only use atd for a time bomb detonation or other weapon that would grant me total domination |
| 01:48.48 | balrog-kun | it looks like a serious tool for very serious tasks |
| 01:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | also nice: for f in *.mp3; do mplayer $f; done |
| 01:49.24 | DocScrutinizer | balrog-kun: lol. Why that? |
| 01:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | at and batch come in handy for cmdline-geeks |
| 01:50.07 | balrog-kun | DocScrutinizer: and the hard to remember or pronounce commands you mentioned just confirm it :P |
| 01:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | bah, that's just one-time admisitrational work to get atd started |
| 01:51.20 | DocScrutinizer | probably you could do as well with some nasty yast or other tool |
| 01:52.08 | DocScrutinizer | or really hardcore symlinking the right links to /etc/rc.d/5 or sth like that |
| 01:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | and maybe you can remember /etc/init.d/atd start better than rcatd start |
| 01:53.32 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 01:54.01 | balrog-kun | that sounds easier and might even work on my distro :) |
| 01:54.06 | balrog-kun | if i had atd installed |
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| 01:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest you give it a try. always worthwhile ;D |
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| 01:56.21 | DocScrutinizer | curses usb-networking and network_manager |
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| 04:34.37 | [_pablomino_] | Hello |
| 04:34.46 | KenYoung | Hi |
| 04:34.48 | [_pablomino_] | Is anyone using QT Extended? |
| 04:34.59 | KenYoung | Not me. |
| 04:34.59 | [_pablomino_] | I have some trouble with the volume of the speaker |
| 04:35.11 | [_pablomino_] | I would like to have it louder |
| 04:35.17 | [_pablomino_] | what are you using? |
| 04:35.48 | KenYoung | 2008.12+Kustomizer on one phone, and SHR on another. |
| 04:36.36 | [_pablomino_] | Do you have 2 neos? |
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| 04:36.39 | KenYoung | 3 |
| 04:36.51 | [_pablomino_] | jeje |
| 04:37.04 | [_pablomino_] | I have a GTA02, but I bought a GTA01 just because |
| 04:37.14 | [_pablomino_] | and my boss told me I was mad.. |
| 04:37.23 | [_pablomino_] | now I see I am not that odd ! |
| 04:37.42 | KenYoung | I don't see how anyone can get by with just one. |
| 04:38.10 | [_pablomino_] | that is so right! |
| 04:38.12 | KenYoung | THere's a *reason* they're offered in 10-packs. |
| 04:38.31 | [_pablomino_] | Oh, that is the reason? |
| 04:38.58 | KenYoung | 'cuz I want 10. |
| 04:39.53 | [_pablomino_] | I am just a starter, I have many troubles setting up my phone but I enjoyed them all! |
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| 04:40.11 | KenYoung | It's not a phone. It's a hobby. |
| 04:40.40 | [_pablomino_] | that is what I explain to my friends and coworkers... |
| 04:41.53 | [_pablomino_] | I am trying to make my neo to work with a virtual keyboard i bought |
| 04:42.14 | [_pablomino_] | on the wiki the keyboard is supported and was tested by someone |
| 04:42.27 | [_pablomino_] | but I am still unsuccessful |
| 04:42.51 | [_pablomino_] | have you tried any bluetooth tech with the neo? |
| 04:42.57 | KenYoung | I'm sorry, I'll be of no help - I've never used QT even once. |
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| 04:46.16 | [_pablomino_] | I have been trying to configure BT via command line, but still unsuccessful |
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| 05:10.27 | slaxxer | yup thats what we need |
| 05:13.44 | DocScrutinizer | KenYoung: wait until you see the special case color I got here ;D |
| 05:14.12 | KenYoung | Oooo - You've got a customized case? |
| 05:14.31 | slaxxer | gold sprinkles? |
| 05:14.45 | DocScrutinizer | nope, probably a prototype from plastics mnf |
| 05:14.49 | slaxxer | ivory |
| 05:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | yup sth like glitter |
| 05:15.06 | KenYoung | I'd like a real ivory case. |
| 05:15.23 | slaxxer | machined ivory:) |
| 05:15.35 | slaxxer | sweet |
| 05:15.37 | KenYoung | Maybe Tuxbrain will eventually offer one. |
| 05:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | thinks about handcrafting one of the cases to cover with chips all over |
| 05:17.11 | ntfn | heh sprinkles |
| 05:21.48 | KenYoung | DocScrutinizer, Will this spiffy new case be publicly available at some point? |
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| 05:35.48 | slaxxer | has anybody broken an lcd or case on a openmoko phone yet? |
| 05:36.53 | slaxxer | i rember i dude said he was walking around an cracked the screen but thats all ive heard about |
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| 05:37.01 | slaxxer | em |
| 05:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | slaxxer: there are reports of broken LCD. Why? |
| 05:37.29 | slaxxer | it seems the case design is very tough |
| 05:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | KenYoung: no plans yet :D |
| 05:38.11 | KenYoung | Zut! |
| 05:38.27 | slaxxer | were the screens broken at the edge mostly? |
| 05:39.16 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
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| 05:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | think the incident you mentioned was the only one I know of |
| 05:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | though someone else asked about replacement screen, but afaikndue to water damage |
| 05:42.08 | billk_ | There were afew broken screens last year (mostly dropped, a few possibly flexed too much) |
| 05:42.26 | billk_ | someone found a source in China and was able to source replacements |
| 05:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
| 05:42.43 | billk_ | plus ther were requests to the list for dead neos to canabalise |
| 05:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | never heard of this source |
| 05:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | pointer? |
| 05:43.13 | billk_ | see iff I still have the mail - might be before I started archiving the list ... |
| 05:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | there are archives in web |
| 05:44.01 | DocScrutinizer | pipermail.openmoko.org |
| 05:44.08 | billk_ | ugh! |
| 05:44.16 | DocScrutinizer | sth like that |
| 05:44.24 | billk_ | thats why I keep my own - searching sucks |
| 05:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 05:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | even sucks on kmail when you reach 70k |
| 05:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | mails :) |
| 05:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | not bytes |
| 05:46.12 | DocScrutinizer | searching my mailarchive takes ~30min |
| 05:46.32 | DocScrutinizer | on a 1.6ghz machine |
| 05:49.47 | billk_ | evolution is fast - done! - but only some contacts from when I broke/fixed the gsm antenna |
| 05:50.00 | billk_ | asking about how to open it as he had a cracked screen |
| 05:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | k, thanks anyway |
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| 05:58.30 | billk_ | DocScrutinizer: googling finds the display TD028TTEC1 has suppliers, but |
| 05:58.44 | billk_ | there is a note that OM used an assembled LCD panel |
| 05:59.00 | billk_ | with a separate touchscreen component |
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| 05:59.29 | billk_ | from memory, the original was able to source this as well (not sure if he transferred his, |
| 05:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, we got touchscreen integrated. so the mere display probably is a little cumbersome to replace |
| 05:59.37 | billk_ | or was able to get a full panel |
| 06:00.08 | billk_ | canabalisation looks like the way to go - got a deanun? |
| 06:00.26 | billk_ | s/deanun/deadun/ |
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| 06:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | whastill no idea what that might mean ;) |
| 06:02.42 | DocScrutinizer | just wondering whether he should finally kill a mistreated LCM by opening the metal case. never done this before |
| 06:03.39 | slaxxer | go for it doc |
| 06:03.55 | DocScrutinizer | ahhhh, it hurts. poor LCM |
| 06:04.17 | slaxxer | all in the name of progress |
| 06:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | on the other hand, looks like a minimal invasive surgery |
| 06:04.59 | slaxxer | is there a place to get mplayer ? |
| 06:05.21 | slaxxer | fso-unstable |
| 06:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, my swiss army knife |
| 06:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | pah, eeeasy |
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| 06:10.09 | DocScrutinizer | but also not quite enlightening |
| 06:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | next step of operation |
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| 06:11.30 | slaxxer | what hot flash the touchscreen onto the monitor? |
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| 06:15.31 | DocScrutinizer | hot flash?? |
| 06:15.51 | slaxxer | hairdrier? |
| 06:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | freeing the actual lcd really hurts, and nasty noises as well o.O |
| 06:16.16 | DocScrutinizer | :-o |
| 06:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, the funny ideas about reworking the LCM by removing the backlite to get a transflexive type of display - they probably have to die ;D |
| 06:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | but you can get a nice pocket mirror from it |
| 06:18.36 | slaxxer | like a sun light usable ?monitor |
| 06:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | yeah this one. I refused to even comment on that |
| 06:19.20 | DocScrutinizer | on [community] |
| 06:19.21 | slaxxer | :) |
| 06:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | phhhoooo, sealed with silicone |
| 06:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | plain chip face down into the silicone slime. and what a nice chip: 20mm x 2mm |
| 06:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | serial number lasered to the waver backside |
| 06:28.28 | DocScrutinizer | into the silicon |
| 06:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | the WSOD crap |
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| 09:37.11 | jlmoko | Barcelona BuzzFix party 1th neo done !!!!8-) |
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| 10:58.36 | beer_ | I am trying to settup networking with my freerunner and tried to fellow this guide http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking under " Simple Manual Linux Configuration " but with "sudo ip address add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0" I get a"Cannot find device "usb0"" What can I do? |
| 10:59.50 | Wonka | modprobe g_ether |
| 11:00.36 | beer_ | FATAL: Module g_ether not found. |
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| 11:01.05 | Wonka | mh. no idea then. |
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| 11:04.19 | Weiss | modprobe cdc_ether |
| 11:04.25 | Weiss | g_ether is for the phone |
| 11:06.06 | beer_ | "sudo modprobe cdc_ether" is done with no errors, then "sudo ip address add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0" and it still failes with Cannot find device "usb0" |
| 11:07.05 | _phil | perhaps it came up as eth1 |
| 11:07.30 | _phil | depends on the hwaddr wether it comes up as usbX or as ethX |
| 11:07.37 | max_posedon | What dmesg says? |
| 11:08.53 | beer_ | I think it is eth1 since "[ 1237.463948] eth1: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1, CDC Ethernet Device, 00:1f:11:01:2d:9d" |
| 11:10.03 | beer_ | looks like it is eth1 |
| 11:10.10 | beer_ | now I can ping the phone |
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| 11:42.23 | bove | is gzip support not included with SHR testing? |
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| 11:53.51 | Feisar | how do I enter a new password for an old network on shr? |
| 11:53.58 | Feisar | (wifi) |
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| 12:12.18 | bruce_c | is there a problem with the SD card driver in 2.6.29 (shr-unstable)? I get told the filesystem device is larger than the physical device |
| 12:12.37 | bruce_c | so I get loads of errors as it tries to read past the end of the device |
| 12:15.39 | bipak | hm lol, i phone went into suspend while phoning... im using yesterdays om2009-fso unstable |
| 12:16.30 | bipak | i have set supend after blank to off and even blank to off in illumes power menu. it doesnt seem to work :( |
| 12:16.33 | ndnihil | at least it's living up to its name |
| 12:16.34 | bipak | any idea? |
| 12:16.39 | bipak | ndnihil: hehe |
| 12:16.42 | Wonka | should be technically possible - you just need the GSM and the codec running to phone, if i remember the schematics correctly |
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| 12:19.34 | shellevil | gsm, audio mixer, psu all configured right when suspend happens |
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| 12:32.07 | Fale | Is the manteiner of http://dashi-x02.karadog.net/~lihouyu here? |
| 12:38.36 | dns53 | i've installed gesture support and now my screen rotates as i move my device, how do i turn it off or do i need to remove the packages? |
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| 12:44.54 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-abyss * r8c89f6c412c3 10/ (configure.ac src/main.vala): post-release version bump; restore original signal handler in signal handler |
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| 12:48.43 | petruss_der_6 | hello i want to compile an elm program with the toolchain. what i have to do to include elm into the toolchain? |
| 12:50.57 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07python-helpers * rf15ff7c58946 10/mickeyterm/ (TODO mickeyterm): mickeyterm: if called without arguments, look for fso-abyss first, then fallback to gsm0710muxd |
| 12:51.40 | mickeyl | IIRC you can install the libraries with opkg |
| 12:51.51 | mickeyl | there were some talks on the mailing list how to extend the toolchains |
| 12:51.54 | mickeyl | i don't recall the details |
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| 12:55.00 | petruss_der_6 | ok, i read somewhere the command opkg-target but when i type this, it wasn't found |
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| 13:21.37 | Toaster` | How does one force fast-charge mode on a current SHR-Unstable? The wiki seems to be out of date. |
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| 13:25.42 | bruce_c | wonders why GPS settings aren't saved across a reboot |
| 13:26.08 | bruce_c | why is such simple stuff still broken? |
| 13:26.29 | lindi- | bruce_c: gps settings? |
| 13:26.47 | bruce_c | lindi-: yes, in shr-unstable |
| 13:26.51 | bruce_c | the radio policy |
| 13:27.33 | lindi- | bruce_c: what's that? |
| 13:28.02 | bruce_c | lindi-: it's the GPS settings applet that says whether the GPS radio is controlled automatically, always on or alway soff |
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| 13:28.44 | mwester | File a bug -- I expect that the designers of that did not expect one to wish that to be persistent. |
| 13:29.20 | bruce_c | hmm ok. Seems GPS only works with the switch set to Manual - On |
| 13:34.03 | Feisar | i'm using the new testing image and my settings are not rememberd (wifi doesn't stay turned on after a reboot) is that normal? |
| 13:34.08 | Feisar | (SHR) |
| 13:36.29 | mwester | <mwester> File a bug -- I expect that the designers of that did not expect one to wish that to be persistent. |
| 13:38.00 | Feisar | thanks, i see. But if I turn wifi on and connect to my home network, when I turn my phone on in the morning I want it to reconnect - does that make sense? |
| 13:39.03 | bruce_c | it sounds like it should be an option to do that, anyway |
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| 13:40.58 | Feisar | cool, so I report that here http://trac.shr-project.org? |
| 13:41.05 | bruce_c | yeah |
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| 13:43.05 | Feisar | it's shr testing but how do I make it clear which shr testing it is? or don't I need to? |
| 13:45.10 | mwester | For that problem, no, the exact testing version doesn't matter so much. But the info you need to record for the base testing image is in /etc/angstrom-version |
| 13:45.24 | mwester | For kernel-related bugs, include the output from uname -a |
| 13:45.34 | Feisar | ok thanks |
| 13:50.02 | Feisar | that's my first ticket :) |
| 13:54.50 | Feisar | If I see another ticket that I agree with how do I 'support' it, add a comment? |
| 13:56.48 | PaulFertser | Feisar: can you say the trac number of the ticket you just filed? |
| 13:57.13 | Feisar | 403 |
| 13:58.09 | PaulFertser | Feisar: if you see some ticket where developers have doubts/can't reproduce, you can add a comment confirming that you can reproduce it. But if it's clearly reproducible and you can't add anything valuable, refrain from it. |
| 13:58.39 | Feisar | ah ok, i get it |
| 13:58.51 | PaulFertser | Feisar: 403 on which trac? |
| 13:59.27 | Feisar | PaulFert: http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/403 |
| 13:59.43 | Feisar | PaulFert: Sorry im not exactly sure what you mean by trac |
| 14:00.21 | PaulFertser | Feisar: ah, ok. I thought you're filing a kernel bug. trac -- software used for bugtracking by OM, FSO and SHR project. |
| 14:00.39 | Feisar | oh ok im with you |
| 14:00.49 | PaulFertser | Feisar: i'd mark you bug as invalid, to be honest. |
| 14:01.05 | Feisar | oh right, can you tell me why? |
| 14:01.48 | PaulFertser | Feisar: once you configured wpa_supplicant, it's configured. wpa_supplicant.conf persists over reboots. |
| 14:02.00 | PaulFertser | Feisar: i can't recognise a problem here. |
| 14:02.20 | mwester | It's not wpa_supplicant, it's the fact that on boot, the wifi is not powered up. |
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| 14:03.04 | Feisar | and even if I do power it up after boot, I have to manually connect to local wifi networks |
| 14:03.23 | PaulFertser | mwester: then he wants to wrap wpa_supplicant in a script requesting ophonekitd to occupy wifi resource and put it to his default runlevel. |
| 14:03.55 | mwester | PaulFertser: you are thinking at the debian linux level. |
| 14:04.00 | mwester | you need to think "phone" |
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| 14:04.25 | PaulFertser | mwester: for a phone he should have filed a wishlist ticket like: "integrate a decent finger-friendly wifi manager". |
| 14:04.27 | mwester | The phone user, unlike the debian command line user, uses a gui app that's part of SHR to enable wifi. |
| 14:04.39 | mjr | 46 |
| 14:05.00 | Feisar | I should have stated I was just refering to the gui side of things |
| 14:05.11 | mwester | ~lart PaulFertser for excessive pedantry |
| 14:05.11 | apt | gives PaulFertser a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" for excessive pedantry |
| 14:05.19 | PaulFertser | Feisar: what gui do you currently use to configure WiFi? |
| 14:05.39 | PaulFertser | Oh no! Not windows! not again! |
| 14:05.43 | Feisar | mofi, the one that comes with the testing image |
| 14:06.00 | mwester | You should feel honored. It is EXTREMELY rare that I lart anyone. |
| 14:06.02 | PaulFertser | Serious punishment |
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| 14:06.22 | PaulFertser | Ok, i'll try (to feel honored). |
| 14:06.40 | PaulFertser | Feisar: well, it's not obvious from the ticket. |
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| 14:07.31 | Feisar | PaulFert: I realise now, I created the ticket completely from a 'phone' user point of view |
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| 14:07.48 | Feisar | PaulFert: which was not too helpful |
| 14:08.13 | Feisar | it is a valid point though, just needs to be make right |
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| 14:19.50 | Toaster` | How does one force fast-charge mode on a current SHR-Unstable? The wiki seems to be out of date. |
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| 14:20.47 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r35a869988bcf 10/src/gsm.vala: fixed typo in GSM.Phone.StatusChanged callback |
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| 15:01.13 | FredF | Hi |
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| 15:01.26 | FredF | what the status of this channel |
| 15:01.32 | slaxxer | yea |
| 15:01.47 | FredF | it is a long time ago that i've not join ... |
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| 15:02.08 | slaxxer | we are all here |
| 15:02.09 | Sharwin_F | hi, speaking from the FR in Barcelonas buzz fix party! |
| 15:02.12 | FredF | cool |
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| 15:03.55 | der-lehmann | how it goes? |
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| 15:06.55 | Sharwin_F | 8 fixes so far, mine included ;D |
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| 15:14.11 | balrog-kun | buzz buzz buzz |
| 15:15.41 | der-lehmann | nice |
| 15:20.59 | beer_ | about parties: Does someone plan to make a party close to Ålboeg/denmark or somewhare else in DK? |
| 15:23.47 | shellevil | Scotland? |
| 15:23.49 | shellevil | :) |
| 15:23.58 | shellevil | Prolly not very close to denmark. |
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| 15:24.37 | beer_ | stil a bid long to travel/send a phone |
| 15:25.14 | Sharwin_F | come here, its sunny xD |
| 15:25.59 | shellevil | Sunny here too. |
| 15:27.07 | TAsn | here as well, though no bug fix party anywhere in a radius of 3k km ;] |
| 15:27.20 | beer_ | it is sunny in Ålborg atm as well. That is the reasion for me to sit indore with the curtairns in fron of the windows |
| 15:27.28 | TAsn | actually maybe there is one 3k km away, though not a lot closer. |
| 15:28.04 | mwester | is going to attempt a buzzfix on his gta02; no buzzfixes happening anywhere close to his part of the world either. |
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| 15:30.12 | alephnull | Could someone paste what mdbus -s returns on a functioning om2009 ? |
| 15:30.56 | alephnull | I see neither org.freesmartphone.frameworkd nor org.freesmartphone.ogsmd there. |
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| 15:35.29 | Kagee | Are there any "sms-gateway" programs/server for the freerunner yet? |
| 15:37.04 | shellevil | ssh! |
| 15:40.14 | ndnihil | hahah |
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| 16:04.32 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-term * ra1fcae065315 10/ChangeLog: yank ChangeLog |
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| 16:13.04 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07fso-term * r2cd15459c689 10/ (Makefile.am src/main.vala src/reader.vala vapi/config.vapi): add banner and shut down gracefully |
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| 16:19.20 | janf | mhm.. the screen of my freerunner is black and the aux-button is blinking... whta does that mean? oO |
| 16:19.58 | max_posedon | death |
| 16:20.09 | ndnihil | its gonna blow! |
| 16:20.43 | viq | battery's flat. |
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| 17:01.17 | Kagee | i'm trying to connect a function def msgIn(sender, msg, prop) to a signal in cli-framework - |
| 17:01.37 | Kagee | and i came up with this : bus.add_signal_receiver(msgIn, 'IncomingMessage', "org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS", "org.freesmartphone.ogsmd", "/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device") |
| 17:02.02 | Kagee | is this the correct chan to ask for help in? |
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| 17:11.19 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * rbfcbabbce568 10/libfsoframework/fsoframework/ (fsoframework-2.0.gir fsoframework-2.0.vapi transport.vala): fsoframework: transport: refactor configure into base class |
| 17:11.44 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * re1b6b140114b 10/fsogsmd/src/plugins/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: implement missing createChannels() method in plugins |
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| 17:21.50 | PaulFertser | Toaster`|away: doesn't /sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc/* nodes work for you to force fast-charge? |
| 17:21.58 | Q-Master | evening guys! |
| 17:22.34 | PaulFertser | Toaster`|away: usb_curlim and chg_curlim? |
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| 17:33.14 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm getting an error on shr-unstable while upgrading, how do I force opkg to overwrite http://pastebin.ca/1395850 ? |
| 17:33.33 | poli | hello all! seems like much changed in MokoMakefile since the last wiki updates on related topics... where can I read something up-to-date on how to get qemu up and running? |
| 17:34.25 | mwester | Bert_2: Do not upgrade shr-unstable; please reflash... upgrades are guaranteed to fail and leave your device in a totally unusable state. |
| 17:35.02 | SpeedEvil | nwe |
| 17:35.05 | SpeedEvil | mwester |
| 17:35.08 | SpeedEvil | mwe. |
| 17:35.19 | SpeedEvil | mwester: guaranteed is probably a bit strong. |
| 17:35.21 | Bert_2 | mwester: lately I just did opkg update && opkg upgrade but put the latest kernel on my SD card (I was getting tired of reinstalling all my apps) |
| 17:35.30 | SpeedEvil | mwester: I'm not sure even that is 100% reliable. |
| 17:35.40 | mwester | phhht! |
| 17:35.55 | mwester | Yeah, it's so unstable we can't even guarantee that it's unstable! |
| 17:36.02 | Bert_2 | lol :P |
| 17:36.08 | Bert_2 | well, it's pretty stable for me here |
| 17:36.19 | Bert_2 | I'm only hoping for shorter pick-up times |
| 17:36.37 | mwester | Bert_2: in the past couple of days, a major reorganization of the package naming and structure was undertaken; upgrades crossing that boundary are bad. |
| 17:36.48 | Bert_2 | mwester: |
| 17:36.53 | Bert_2 | mwester: okey |
| 17:37.01 | Bert_2 | turns of phone |
| 17:37.05 | mwester | And the dev team for SHR has promised more of the same, as they push SHR into the OE repo. |
| 17:37.21 | Bert_2 | mwester: okey, cool |
| 17:37.41 | Bert_2 | mwester: do you also know what they're working on currently, is the pick-up speed on the list ? |
| 17:38.07 | mwester | hehe - from community reaction, I think people were accustomed to rather a lot of stability in the unstable version! |
| 17:38.25 | mwester | Bert_2: what is pick-up speed? Acceleration? |
| 17:38.34 | SpeedEvil | holw |
| 17:38.35 | SpeedEvil | hol |
| 17:38.42 | SpeedEvil | how fast it attracts girls. |
| 17:38.47 | SpeedEvil | stabs his keyboard. |
| 17:39.16 | Bert_2 | mwester: I mean when you press accept when a call comes in it takes 2 to 7 seconds before it stops vibrating and you can hear the other person (and he starts to hear you) |
| 17:39.17 | mwester | my FR only attracts mockery |
| 17:39.45 | mwester | Bert_2: Yes, people are aware of that problem. |
| 17:40.06 | Bert_2 | mwester: will it be possible to fix it or is it here to stay ? |
| 17:40.46 | SpeedEvil | None (?) of the software is in its final 'release' quality state. |
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| 17:40.49 | mwester | Bert_2: No reason it can't be made much better, at least from the hardware point-of-view... there may have to be some significant software changes, though. |
| 17:40.54 | SpeedEvil | It will _all_ improve. (hopefully) |
| 17:41.23 | bruce_c | a release is just a point in time |
| 17:43.04 | lindi- | Bert_2: use uncompressed ringtone |
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| 17:43.25 | Bert_2 | lindi-: is ogg compressed ? |
| 17:43.30 | lindi- | Bert_2: yes |
| 17:43.37 | plhardy | hi all, i installed a shr testing of yesterday and enlightment doesn't start at all, another thing is that root is mounted in ext4 while is created as ext2, it complains of circular references |
| 17:43.41 | Bert_2 | lindi-: should I use wave or sid then ? |
| 17:43.53 | mwester | Actually, we need a kernel module from Sirius Cybernetics Corporation (the one they use in their elevators) so that we can handle the answering timing better. |
| 17:44.45 | SpeedEvil | sirius cybernetics answering machines. |
| 17:44.48 | lindi- | Bert_2: uncompressed wave audio yes, for example http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/ringtone/ |
| 17:44.50 | SpeedEvil | The possibilities are endless |
| 17:45.33 | Bert_2 | lindi-: okey, awesome, and then I would be able to pick up and hear the person more quickly, right ? |
| 17:45.51 | lindi- | Bert_2: well, that'll help at least a bit |
| 17:45.56 | plhardy | enlightmenet fails with BUS ERROR |
| 17:46.03 | lindi- | Bert_2: i only use ogsmd + kapula so i avoid most of the lag |
| 17:46.50 | beer_ | I am a bit confused. I have some midi files on my laptop and I want to transfter them to my Freeruner (that have qt extended improved). I have made a sftp connection to the phone, but I dont know where I shall put the files so the "media player" can find them (eg the "media player"'s home-thing) |
| 17:46.53 | Bert_2 | lindi-: I use shr-unstable, now sure what they're using |
| 17:48.04 | Bert_2 | lindi-: s/now/not |
| 17:50.00 | poli | I am planning on developing an application using openmoko and Freerunner, but this latest annoucement about freerunner being discuntinued is kind of a worry. Where are the discussions about that being made? |
| 17:50.54 | lindi- | Bert_2: debian |
| 17:51.00 | beer_ | As I understand it, Freerunner will not be discuntinued but gta03 will (Freerunner+1) |
| 17:51.09 | lindi- | Bert_2: ah they, they use everything frameworkd has i think |
| 17:51.17 | Bert_2 | lindi-: yes indd |
| 17:51.42 | lindi- | beer_: wasn't that more like freerunner-1? no wifi or gps |
| 17:51.56 | poli | beer_: I am completely lost in this topics, and I cannot find informationa bout that in the wiki... |
| 17:52.39 | Bert_2 | poli: it's very simple, the openmoko company doesn't have enough money to make a new mobile, so they're doing another project instead and will make a new mobile phone later |
| 17:52.40 | beer_ | lindi: What I ment with +1 was the next version after freeruner |
| 17:52.48 | Bert_2 | poli: the freerunner will still be supported |
| 17:53.08 | Bert_2 | poli: basically nothing changes for us I believe |
| 17:53.30 | beer_ | http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/documents/2009Bern/Slides/BusinessTrack/01_SeanMossPultz.pdf the info about it I could find |
| 17:53.56 | Defiant- | There has been a lot discussion on the community-ml about this. Read the slashdot-Thread |
| 17:54.01 | Bert_2 | poli: you can also find the announcement in video version somewhere on the web (probably linked on the openexpo site) |
| 17:54.26 | Bert_2 | Defiant-: what was said on the mailing list (I didn't have the time to read it |
| 17:54.37 | SpeedEvil | And the openmoko official news announcement at Mime2009. |
| 17:54.53 | Defiant- | Bert_2: The same that has been said here. GTA03 is discontinued, GTA02 is still alive. |
| 17:54.53 | SpeedEvil | Project B will be an invisible box. |
| 17:55.24 | Bert_2 | Defiant-: and to be honest that's perfect for me, I don't have the money to buy myself a new phone |
| 17:55.53 | Bert_2 | SpeedEvil: I'm pretty curious what it is, it looked like a GPS device or an mp3-player-ish thing |
| 17:56.18 | Defiant- | that would be pretty much freerunner without gsm |
| 17:56.56 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re0a6916efe7d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/channel.py: ogsmd: channel: add freeze() and thaw(), preparing for data call and pdp channel handover |
| 17:58.01 | Bert_2 | Defiant-: what do you think it is then ? |
| 17:58.07 | Defiant- | I have no idea |
| 17:58.13 | Bert_2 | lol :P |
| 17:59.05 | mwester | It's an electronic pizza box opener. |
| 17:59.16 | Defiant- | coffee machine |
| 17:59.42 | mickeyl | hair straightener |
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| 17:59.55 | poli | Bert_2, beer_: so the current freerunner is still in production and will be for the foreseeable future? |
| 18:00.19 | Defiant- | all-frequency-all-modulation wireless device |
| 18:00.22 | PaulFertser | Does a device to straighten hairs even exist? |
| 18:00.44 | beer_ | poli: yes it will |
| 18:00.57 | poli | beer_: good, thanks. :) |
| 18:01.28 | beer_ | http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f2596299 lookes like someone is planing a new gta03-thing |
| 18:01.30 | poli | beer_: well, it is somehow hard to start a new product using a hardware that doesn't have 3G or a quad-band modem, but that's what we have available right now. |
| 18:01.40 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: yes it exists, women use it all the time, apparently |
| 18:02.12 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: i've seen devices to make straight hair more curly, but never for an opposite, i think. |
| 18:02.16 | mwester | now if it could re-grow hair, I might be interested. |
| 18:03.05 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: looks like women always do some kind of insane shit :-/ |
| 18:03.47 | PaulFertser | I bet if she has a straight hair, she dreams of nice curlies and if she has a curly hair, she wants to straighten it. |
| 18:04.09 | mwester | 's experience has been the women tend to be more sane than most males. :p |
| 18:04.14 | Wonka | the meadow on the other side of the fence is always greener |
| 18:04.34 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: hair is a lot of work, you have to wash it once a month |
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| 18:04.55 | shellevil | Bert_2: you do? |
| 18:05.01 | mwester | Well, you should - even if it doesn't really need it that often. |
| 18:05.11 | Bert_2 | shellevil: not sure |
| 18:05.22 | Bert_2 | mwester: lol :P |
| 18:05.25 | mwester | Generally, my rule is to wash hair when I change my socks. |
| 18:05.34 | Wonka | Bert_2: if you like it short enough, it's sufficient to trim it to <= 12mm once a week and have a shower afterwards |
| 18:05.57 | Wonka | mwester: daily? |
| 18:06.12 | mwester | no. Wear black socks, nobody can tell. |
| 18:06.15 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: know that, long hair is not the handiest thing to have. Though i do. |
| 18:06.17 | Bert_2 | Wonka: he means yearly |
| 18:06.33 | Wonka | mwester: not by sight at least - different thing is by smell... |
| 18:06.40 | mwester | Ah. |
| 18:06.44 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I have hear of all kinds, I will not go into detail |
| 18:06.48 | mwester | I have a dog to blame. ;) |
| 18:07.00 | Bert_2 | s/hear/hair |
| 18:07.07 | Bert_2 | bad spelling day today |
| 18:07.09 | Bert_2 | really bad |
| 18:07.11 | Wonka | those go stale after some weeks without food... |
| 18:07.18 | Wonka | (dogs) |
| 18:07.26 | Wonka | and smelly |
| 18:07.29 | Wonka | but more quiet |
| 18:07.56 | mwester | Oh - you need a replacement then. |
| 18:08.01 | Wonka | my hair is longer than 20cm, and washing it is nothing i like to do every morning... |
| 18:08.39 | mwester | When they get to that state, they're even more difficult to restart than a Freerunner with a totally flat battery. |
| 18:08.58 | Bert_2 | lol |
| 18:09.24 | Bert_2 | just found out that spectrial is over, woops |
| 18:09.51 | Wonka | wants an external OM battery charger |
| 18:09.55 | Wonka | and some spares |
| 18:10.05 | Bert_2 | Wonka: I have a USB charger |
| 18:10.07 | Wonka | and hibernate functionality |
| 18:10.29 | Bert_2 | Wonka: is what shr does hibernate or suspend ? |
| 18:10.42 | Wonka | Bert_2: i have a wall wart too - i meant a device to charge FR batteries outside of the FR |
| 18:10.56 | mwester | mickeyl keeps reminding me that we need to get proper battery handling for the Nokia BL-6C in the Freerunner... |
| 18:10.56 | Bert_2 | Wonka: that would be nice yes |
| 18:10.58 | Defiant- | lol |
| 18:11.07 | Wonka | Bert_2: most probably suspend - i meant some state you can resume from after pulling the battery |
| 18:11.17 | mwester | Suspend |
| 18:11.20 | mickeyl | and for the 5c... |
| 18:11.22 | Defiant- | If they need all the people they had for GTA03 for a charger...this will be a super charger |
| 18:11.23 | Wonka | mwester: would be cool |
| 18:12.19 | mwester | Well, I have time now... |
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| 18:15.11 | beer_ | The things I would like to see with gta03 is a bether graphics chip and a faster CPU so we could have bether games on it |
| 18:15.48 | bruce_c | faster GPU + CPU = less battery life? |
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| 18:16.04 | Bert_2 | beer_: 3G would be nice if they had the time to make it, and wireless N, but of course we first of all need a better graphics chip |
| 18:16.11 | Bert_2 | bruce_c: better battery as well then :P |
| 18:16.33 | bruce_c | Bert_2: I get the impression the problem isn't the battery but more the kernel doesn't support frequency scaling and sleep states |
| 18:17.14 | Bert_2 | bruce_c: ow, doesn't it support frequency scaling, I thought the CPU wasn't able to scale down |
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| 18:17.35 | bruce_c | I wonder if getting frequency scaling and sleeping into the kernel is something someone could do with a spare couple of months? I presume the ARM tech docs are available? |
| 18:17.44 | bruce_c | Bert_2: the CPU does, but the kernel doesn't |
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| 18:17.58 | plhardy | i have reinstalled from scratch latest shr-testing on a sdcard and i confirm : enlightment just crash, is latest testing working for you ? |
| 18:18.24 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: it's being worked on |
| 18:19.06 | bruce_c | I've got a spare couple of months later this year, I'll see if there's something i can work on |
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| 18:19.47 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: are you reading openmoko kernel ML? Or LAKML? |
| 18:20.17 | Bert_2 | say, in the default.yaml file, what's the maximum volume ? |
| 18:21.17 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: I'm subscribed to the openmoko kernel ML but don't read it much - I'm more involved in hacking FreeBSD at the moment, but would like to do some work on openmoko too. At the moment I'm flat-out with my day job, but am being made redundant in a few months |
| 18:22.54 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: there were several patches lately (by Rask Ingemann Lambertse) to implement some cpufreq support |
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| 18:40.47 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: thanks - I guess I need to learn how to change the build environment first though! |
| 18:41.38 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: Change? To compile a kernel a cross-compiling toolchain is needed, nothing more. |
| 18:43.03 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: well, I guess I'd probably want to put the changes into the openembedded build chain. I'm hoping to make other changes too |
| 18:43.21 | bruce_c | like enabling PAM support in enlightenment so a can LOCK the phone |
| 18:43.35 | bruce_c | s/a/I/ |
| 18:43.40 | mwester | The focus right now is on stablizing the kernel; that should happen (hopefully) soon, and then I would like to see work on the gta01 support, cpufreq, and battery/power support. |
| 18:44.29 | bruce_c | is that work going on on mainline, or is there a branch I should be tracking? |
| 18:45.02 | mwester | it's on the andy-tracking branch. |
| 18:45.18 | mwester | Discussion on the openmoko kernel ML |
| 18:45.31 | bruce_c | ah yes |
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| 18:49.24 | WhiteParrot | no Wi-Fi in GTA03 |
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| 18:49.52 | CVirus | there's no such thing as GTA03 |
| 18:50.21 | WhiteParrot | now it doesnt exists..but in coming time it will definitely be there |
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| 18:51.44 | WhiteParrot | what about Project B |
| 18:53.56 | [Rui] | WhiteParrot: now seriously, gta03 didn't seem like a better model, but the next model, which happened to be less featureful . anyway, it's dead in the water now and I'm also much more curious about B :) |
| 18:57.16 | WhiteParrot | is it fine to buy GTA02 .or wait for Project B |
| 18:57.50 | mwester | Project B is not a phone. |
| 18:57.53 | mjr | B isn't a cell phone |
| 18:58.26 | mjr | so if you want an om phone, 02 is it for the foreseeable future |
| 18:58.38 | [Rui] | WhiteParrot: if you're short on cash, you can wait a little until B is announced and check on which to invest :) |
| 18:58.40 | mwester | We have, however, been told my Om's engineering organization that Project B is a hair-straightener. |
| 18:58.51 | mwester | s/my/by/ |
| 18:59.02 | [Rui] | what do you mean? |
| 18:59.42 | mwester | I have no idea. That's what Wolfgang said in the last community update. :) |
| 19:00.21 | [Rui] | mwester: ok yeah, but I'm not very familiar with the expression "hair-straightener" :) |
| 19:00.41 | mwester | Nor am I. I think he was joking. |
| 19:01.08 | mjr | revolutionary! |
| 19:01.10 | WhiteParrot | i think Project B is just for my Grand ma |
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| 19:01.31 | WhiteParrot | GTA02 is still for Geeks |
| 19:01.54 | mwester | and the gta03 was also going to be for geeks |
| 19:02.33 | WhiteParrot | but GTA03 is not goin 2 come in near future ..and it has less features also |
| 19:02.43 | mwester | gta03 is dead |
| 19:03.00 | mwester | there will be NO gta03... and that's a good thing, from what I've heard. |
| 19:03.01 | WhiteParrot | ya u can say this |
| 19:03.05 | mwester | Yes. |
| 19:03.19 | WhiteParrot | wht bout Project B |
| 19:03.30 | [Rui] | WhiteParrot: no info on project b |
| 19:03.58 | [Rui] | WhiteParrot: we'll know in time... |
| 19:04.18 | beer_ | if there will be no gta03 why has there been a forum on openmoko.org for it (http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html) |
| 19:04.34 | WhiteParrot | so i think its better 2 go with GTA02 |
| 19:04.53 | lindi- | beer_: forum? |
| 19:05.03 | beer_ | mailinglist, sry |
| 19:05.31 | [Rui] | beer_: because there WAS going to be a gta03 model, but this might be just speculation? :) |
| 19:06.00 | mwester | Hope dies so slowly and so hard... |
| 19:06.54 | beer_ | hmm that mailinglist was from last monday (a little less than a week ago) |
| 19:07.44 | beer_ | mwester: maybe hope, but confused at least. Someone is saying something and someone else say something else |
| 19:08.35 | bruce_c | beer_: isn't that what always happens? |
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| 19:09.39 | beer_ | I dont know if I am wrong no not, but as far as I understand it the old gta03 is dead and gone, and now they are mkaing a new phone after plan b (but still using gta03 as term) |
| 19:10.00 | [Rui] | beer_: and because GTA03 is dead, it's been given to the community the tools to discuss what the next GTA03 might be. But it'll be a long time before it's ever borne, probably. |
| 19:10.06 | [Rui] | bye! |
| 19:10.19 | WhiteParrot | also ..if GTA03 will come then it wont have Wi-Fi |
| 19:10.36 | mjr | *sigh* |
| 19:11.03 | bruce_c | shouldn't the focus be on making GTA02 be as good as it can be? |
| 19:11.19 | mjr | WhiteParrot, you can't say that, since it's wide open currently what it might be if they get back up and running again |
| 19:11.21 | bruce_c | it seems there are still usability and performance problems that can be solved |
| 19:11.58 | WhiteParrot | Sean MOss himself said that GTA03 will not have Wi-Fi |
| 19:12.08 | beer_ | how come? |
| 19:13.11 | mjr | WhiteParrot, the key is, before or after the current gta03 plans were trashed? |
| 19:14.10 | beer_ | A month ago I have hoped that gta03 would have been released before chrismas so I could get it as a present, but now it is not look like that any more |
| 19:14.29 | bruce_c | beer_: why do you want the GTA03? |
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| 19:15.28 | beer_ | it would have a camara witch would me nice, and more polich hardware (buzz- fixed etc) |
| 19:16.14 | WhiteParrot | u can go for GTA02 V7 |
| 19:16.25 | bruce_c | exactly |
| 19:16.48 | WhiteParrot | it has almost all the bug fixed |
| 19:16.54 | beer_ | year but I dont think I would like to use around 2000 kr just for getting my hardware fixed (already got it) |
| 19:17.28 | bruce_c | so take it to a service centre to get it fixed? |
| 19:17.29 | beer_ | not v 7, I thin it is v6 (that one with card fixed) |
| 19:17.52 | beer_ | where is there a service centre? |
| 19:18.13 | bruce_c | I thought there are places where they could do the buzz fix etc. |
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| 19:18.17 | mjr | 's FRs are at the shop for the buzz and a couple of unrelated hardware problems (unit, not model issues) |
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| 19:19.09 | beer_ | there are buzz fix party around the world but they are to far away from where I live |
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| 19:21.12 | beer_ | is gta02v7 send to manufactues? |
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| 19:21.59 | WhiteParrot | does gta02v7 is in market now |
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| 19:26.09 | beer_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#History <- I cannot se any info about v7 or v8 |
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| 19:32.38 | beer_ | night nigt and sleep tight |
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| 19:59.13 | Blu3 | ok, stupid question here - but what's the point of setting the console via usb if it goes away as soon as you boot? :> |
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| 20:04.13 | PaulFertser | Blu3: to access u-boot console. To tweak u-boot environment, to exec other u-boot commands etc. |
| 20:04.37 | PaulFertser | Blu3: to access serial interface of the GSM modem via USB. |
| 20:04.44 | Blu3 | any method of getting a persistent console from u-boot to kernel boot? |
| 20:05.24 | PaulFertser | Blu3: real serial console == dboard |
| 20:05.49 | Blu3 | digs it out |
| 20:06.51 | Blu3 | i feel like fixing the boot problem rather than reflashing |
| 20:06.51 | PaulFertser | Blu3: (not sure u-boot will use it though, but the kernel will use it for sure) |
| 20:07.35 | Blu3 | now i gotta figure out how to disassemble it without screwing it up *laugh* |
| 20:08.04 | PaulFertser | Blu3: it's really easy, just follow the page on the wiki. |
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| 20:08.24 | PaulFertser | Blu3: alternatively, you can boot from uSD and fix problems from there. |
| 20:08.49 | Blu3 | aye, i think i have an image around here. that may be faster actually |
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| 20:10.45 | WhiteParrot | does the BUZZ problem gets solved |
| 20:11.09 | PaulFertser | WhiteParrot: yes |
| 20:11.38 | WhiteParrot | does it comes with GTA02 V7 |
| 20:11.43 | Blu3 | i hadn't noticed a buzz problem in mine |
| 20:11.51 | PaulFertser | WhiteParrot: yes, but only for internal mic. |
| 20:11.51 | Q-Master | Is it possible to skip 2nd boot-partition in qi? |
| 20:12.01 | Q-Master | I know how to skip 1st |
| 20:12.03 | WhiteParrot | which ver u have |
| 20:12.15 | Q-Master | dunno. It was latest |
| 20:12.25 | PaulFertser | Blu3: wait while other side will complain. It will happen someday for sure (if you ever leave the place you're at now). |
| 20:12.33 | WhiteParrot | only for internal mic means ..whats left |
| 20:12.43 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: the same. Press AUX at the right time. Should work. |
| 20:12.53 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: so, press aux twice, both at the right time :) |
| 20:12.59 | PaulFertser | WhiteParrot: wired headset. |
| 20:13.02 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: tired of trying |
| 20:13.09 | Q-Master | nothing helped |
| 20:13.17 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: well... Andy said it's hard to use without a serial console. |
| 20:13.19 | Q-Master | noboot helped, but this is not good |
| 20:13.20 | Blu3 | the place i'm at? ^_- i think i missed something :< |
| 20:13.48 | WhiteParrot | so the buzz is still there with wired headset |
| 20:13.54 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: have you tried to press AUX many times with the smallest pauses possible? |
| 20:14.04 | Q-Master | yep |
| 20:14.22 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: as I've told, tired of trying |
| 20:14.31 | PaulFertser | Blu3: buzz depends on many factors. You might be lucky to have no buzz at home and at work. But once you go to the country or probably to some other town... |
| 20:14.33 | WhiteParrot | ohhh. |
| 20:14.43 | Blu3 | ah, ok |
| 20:15.06 | Blu3 | i haven't noticed it anywhere around here but most of my use on it is via texting :-D |
| 20:15.14 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: sorry, i'm afraid i don't know a better method. Probably i should re-read Qi sources :-/ |
| 20:15.22 | Sharwin_F | is free from buzz now :D |
| 20:15.33 | PaulFertser | Blu3: buzz is heard by the other side btw. Some people are too shy to complain ;) |
| 20:15.39 | WhiteParrot | is there any info on Project B |
| 20:15.50 | PaulFertser | WhiteParrot: hair straightener |
| 20:16.04 | Blu3 | well. hmm. my bf is the guy i talk to most on it and he's never mentioned it |
| 20:16.05 | WhiteParrot | what does tht menas |
| 20:16.11 | Blu3 | so for now, i'm lucky |
| 20:16.29 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: 8( Andy should have been implementing a more easy-using solution. 8( |
| 20:16.44 | PaulFertser | WhiteParrot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_straightener |
| 20:16.52 | DocScrutinizer | TOASTER |
| 20:16.53 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: can you propose any? |
| 20:17.35 | Q-Master | e.x. keeping aux pressed - skips the load |
| 20:17.46 | Q-Master | the next load I meant |
| 20:17.50 | WhiteParrot | does Project B ..is not for geeks |
| 20:17.56 | Q-Master | I was sure that it is done like this |
| 20:18.13 | Q-Master | was disapointed |
| 20:18.31 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: hm, just tweak Qi to do that and tell if you like it. Probably it'll be a good solution. I wondered why Andy did that edge stuff too. |
| 20:18.49 | Sharwin_F | Now I understand why the toaster of a film I used to saw when I was little could speak and jump and run.... it was using Linux!!! |
| 20:18.58 | Sharwin_F | :o |
| 20:19.14 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: I need URL and I can't build anything. I have not an x86 machine |
| 20:19.17 | WhiteParrot | does Messaging works fine with GTA02 |
| 20:19.35 | Sharwin_F | WhiteParrot, depending on the distro you use I suppouse |
| 20:19.40 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: building for arm doesn't require x86 ;) |
| 20:20.11 | WhiteParrot | what about Debian performance on GTA02 |
| 20:20.12 | plhardy | shr-testing problem with enlightenment : i got my answer on openmoko lists : shr testing uses ucard first partition for user data, if this one has problems in fat system it is mounted ro... hence preventing enlightenment to start |
| 20:20.21 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: I'm too lazy to build cross-environment myseld, but there is no gcc for arm in default debian repo |
| 20:20.33 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: emdebian is the answer |
| 20:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | Sharwin_F: that's been first promotion movies of projB |
| 20:20.53 | WhiteParrot | Project B |
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| 20:21.52 | WhiteParrot | no Wi-Fi in GTA03 ..if it comes in future |
| 20:21.54 | Sharwin_F | DocScrutinizer, yeah, doing movies about toasters has more success than doing about open phones... xD |
| 20:22.12 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: can you point me to howto? |
| 20:23.29 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: emdebian? Yes, let me find it. |
| 20:23.42 | mjr | WhiteParrot, why do you keep on making statements about a product that was dumped and will likely be pretty much wholly reinvented if they'll get to doing a phone again? |
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| 20:27.50 | DocScrutinizer | pfff, gta03dec2008 actually *has* wifi |
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| 20:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | mjr: why do you think OM had to "reinvent" the whole device? |
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| 20:31.21 | mjr | DocScrutinizer, I'm merely presuming that if they'll get around to doing a phone again, they'll update their plans somewhat and not go with whatever was the previous gta03 draft |
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| 20:33.30 | mwester | DocScrutinizer: talk to me about buzzfixing and the gta01, please.... |
| 20:33.34 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: look at http://www.emdebian.org/tools/crosstools.html and install and armel toolchain from there. Should be enough to compile Qi. |
| 20:33.37 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, that would depend on product definition of such future product. Not mandatory for recent GTA03 design though, it worked quite pleasantly |
| 20:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: what lullaby would you like to hear today? |
| 20:34.56 | mwester | Sing me to sleep -- a lullaby about the procedure to buzzfix a gta01. |
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| 20:35.50 | mwester | (There are little black containers of magic smoke in the spot on the gta01 board where one would place the cap on the gta02) |
| 20:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | add a cap of 100uF, same as on GTA02. And they lived happily ever since... |
| 20:36.19 | mwester | :P |
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| 20:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | duh, wait a moment, need to disassemble my 01 to have a look |
| 20:37.21 | Q-Master | PaulFertser: and if I want to cross-compile something for Om? |
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| 20:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: oh really. very interesting |
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| 20:38.53 | DocScrutinizer | you're honest on this one? then I need to investigate further |
| 20:39.09 | PaulFertser | Q-Master: just set CROSS_COMPILE=armel-linux-gnueabi- (or something like that) before starting kernel or Qi build script. |
| 20:39.25 | mwester | I'm sure I can put it on the other side, but then the lead length is a bit long. |
| 20:40.14 | mwester | With the gta01 facing you, hole in case downward, the space to the left of the mic is occupied by the array of Rs, and then a few C's or IC's between the R's and the screw hole on the far left. |
| 20:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | yup I see |
| 20:40.59 | DocScrutinizer | anyway right side isn't that "clean" as well |
| 20:41.14 | mwester | So it's just a matter of placing the C, I expect -- I'm worried about RF pickup if I run the wire all the way to the far right (past the testpoints) |
| 20:42.09 | DocScrutinizer | np wrt if you glue the wire to the surface of pcb |
| 20:42.21 | mwester | Ah. ok. |
| 20:42.36 | DocScrutinizer | but it's never been done before |
| 20:42.47 | mwester | I have two gta01s. :) |
| 20:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | as til now the legend was gta01 is buzzfree |
| 20:43.37 | mwester | Hmm. |
| 20:43.55 | mwester | thinks more carefullly. |
| 20:44.09 | mwester | Ok. |
| 20:44.23 | DocScrutinizer | if you're honestly asking me to do this, I'll check the whole thing and come up with some recommendation for you eventually leading to a bigC-for-01 paper after you verified |
| 20:45.07 | mwester | I shall test again. It was a long time ago that I tested, and it buzzed so bad my wife couldn't hear me. But perhaps I am mistaken, and I was using the gta02 on that day. |
| 20:45.34 | DocScrutinizer | or your wm8753 setup was faulty |
| 20:45.50 | mwester | Let me test it more thoroughly first. And yes, ALSA settings may have been botched. |
| 20:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | e.g. you could have enabled line-in NC pins |
| 20:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | or setup micmux wrong way |
| 20:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | please check control63 for "mic 2" |
| 20:46.51 | mwester | Ok. I'll let you know what I find, and if it buzzes, then I'll have to speak with you or perhaps PaulFertser to make sure that the ALSA settings are not at fault. :) |
| 20:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | probably I'm the right address for that |
| 20:47.17 | mwester | I'll bet nobody has spent any effort to make sure we have sane ALSA settings for the gta01 |
| 20:47.27 | shellevil | I've never seen audio buzz on 01 |
| 20:47.34 | shellevil | but I've only made a couple of calls |
| 20:47.40 | mwester | Do we even have sane ALSA settings for the gta02 at this point? |
| 20:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | basically they shouldn't differ first instance |
| 20:47.48 | mwester | And do they change after the buzzfix is applied? |
| 20:48.12 | mwester | And if they change, how does userspace know if the device has the buzzfix applied or not? |
| 20:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: mic-sensitivity is reduced due to buzzfix, so you might need level up control48 |
| 20:48.51 | mwester | That's not so hard. |
| 20:48.57 | mwester | I think. |
| 20:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, your last question is a nice one |
| 20:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | I'm about to come up with a solution wrt |
| 20:49.23 | mwester | reallyh? |
| 20:49.30 | mwester | cool. Id pins? |
| 20:49.45 | DocScrutinizer | nope, autocalibration |
| 20:50.02 | mwester | Send tone to speaker, and listen for it? |
| 20:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | playback a testtone (or "for elise") and record via mic. then calculate needed settings |
| 20:50.28 | DocScrutinizer | yup exactly |
| 20:50.52 | mwester | That could address a lot of problems -- be a great diagnostic for when someone (or a distro) has messed up the ALSA settings. |
| 20:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | what do you think of that? |
| 20:51.18 | mwester | I like the idea -- very useful. |
| 20:52.00 | mwester | Hmm.. you could even use that to measure the freq. response for a set of external headphones, and detect if the bass fix is applied or not. |
| 20:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 20:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 20:52.30 | DocScrutinizer | but that would need user interaction anyway |
| 20:53.03 | mwester | Yeah, but think about this -- what other pda or phone can calibrate its own audio? |
| 20:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | but for those nasty 1uF-0R in earpiece you could do this automatically |
| 20:53.28 | mwester | That's really a neat application, IMO. |
| 20:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | I only know of high-end stereo amps |
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| 21:33.31 | NicolasD | Simple question, do the latest Freerunner on OpenMoko Store has buzz fix already ? |
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| 23:11.52 | bruce_c | are there any tutorials for using the dbus api from C/C++? |
| 23:11.58 | bruce_c | everything seems to be for python :/ |
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| 23:14.10 | Toaster` | PaulFertser: Thanks for your reply earlier. I was away for the afternoon, sorry. |
| 23:19.32 | balrog-kun | bruce_c: the raw C dbus api should rarely be used directly, i'm being told |
| 23:19.39 | balrog-kun | bruce_c: you can use the glib-dbus api instead |
| 23:19.44 | balrog-kun | and there's something for C++ too |
| 23:24.00 | bruce_c | glib-dbus sounds good |
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