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| 01:15.30 | rooly1 | woo! |
| 01:16.12 | shellevil | You won the lottery? |
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| 01:17.49 | rooly1 | no |
| 01:17.51 | rooly1 | linux on my ps3 |
| 01:17.54 | rooly1 | using e |
| 01:17.58 | rooly1 | points at raster |
| 01:18.17 | shellevil | ah. |
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| 01:18.36 | shellevil | Now - SHR on the ps3 |
| 01:18.41 | rooly1 | lol |
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| 01:19.14 | raster | points at mwester |
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| 01:20.20 | rooly1 | makes his eyebrows do the question mark thing |
| 01:21.14 | mwester | ports his college project to rooly1's ps3: RMNOS(ads) |
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| 01:28.25 | Dave | rasterize! |
| 01:28.41 | Dave | ps3moko? |
| 01:28.42 | Dave | haha |
| 01:28.47 | Dave | smells like megafail to me :) |
| 01:31.04 | d-b | Dave: well ps3's aren't that heavy and they run lunix. |
| 01:32.52 | Dave | true |
| 01:32.56 | Dave | but uhh... yeah |
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| 01:35.17 | rooly1 | can it make phone calls tho? |
| 01:35.40 | d-b | rooly1: yes probably with some custom usb key you make your self ^^ |
| 01:35.44 | d-b | or with bluetooth |
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| 01:35.57 | rooly1 | sighs |
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| 01:41.04 | Dave | right :P |
| 01:41.14 | Dave | funny because it'd probably still suffer from the buzz problem :P |
| 01:41.15 | Dave | hahaa |
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| 02:27.50 | ntfn | cheers for rooly1 |
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| 05:43.10 | pundiramit | hi.. is there opengl es library available for developers? |
| 05:44.41 | pundiramit | do we have Clutter port (clutter-project) available for openmoko? |
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| 06:44.28 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * re904855e2ffd 10/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
| 06:44.28 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: added signal handlers for NameOwnerChanged |
| 06:44.28 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: added Ping for all DBus object every 5 mins |
| 06:44.28 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: added first_ping to avoid ping floods on an object |
| 06:44.29 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * rd8b959e786fb 10/.gitignore: Merge branch 'master' of git@git.freesmartphone.org:fso-monitord |
| 06:44.32 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r4562f60656fa 10/src/ (8 files): |
| 06:44.33 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Corrected NameOwnerChanged behavior |
| 06:44.35 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: add busname to System, which is needed for NameOwnerChanged |
| 06:44.38 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: added missing try..catch in framework |
| 06:44.39 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r4708250d22a9 10/.gitignore: added binary to .gitignore |
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| 06:57.38 | methril|work | morning |
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| 07:19.23 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03Frederik.Sdun 07fso-monitord * r304a54cc073a 10/src/monitor.vala: Removed GetVersion call in Subsystem |
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| 08:40.33 | th0br0 | rip openmoko ://// sad thing to hear. |
| 08:41.14 | max_posedon | th0br0, earth is flat |
| 08:41.26 | th0br0 | well, i meant rip from the official side :D |
| 08:41.29 | max_posedon | earth is in a middle of world |
| 08:41.35 | th0br0 | ? |
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| 08:46.46 | jc | pcfe: morning. |
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| 08:47.08 | pcfe | good morning |
| 08:48.01 | jc | pcfe: this is ray, we meet in Berlin in ccc. |
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| 08:56.54 | DeosamoX | Hey where do i get a open phone on mexico? |
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| 08:57.24 | dns53 | openmoko.com has the stores around the world |
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| 09:06.43 | Psi | is there a "Plan B" wiki page anywhere, containing what we know/or think plan B is? |
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| 09:09.38 | playya | Psi, no. plan b is top secret |
| 09:09.49 | Psi | i know, but there must be rumors |
| 09:09.58 | Psi | or alteast, thinks we know plan B is NOT |
| 09:10.04 | Psi | *things |
| 09:10.32 | Psi | i just noticed someone on the mailing list said "plan B (we already know |
| 09:10.34 | Psi | that it is another device, not a mobile phone)" |
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| 09:10.52 | Psi | so was wondering if there was a page with all the info we do know so far |
| 09:11.33 | jc | Psi: according Steve Mosher's interview, yes. He addressed project B is not a telecom product. |
| 09:11.48 | Psi | yeah, that kinda info |
| 09:12.01 | Psi | i dont know anything about plan B so far |
| 09:12.45 | dns53 | my guess is a pda or gps device as they are similar enough but who knows |
| 09:13.35 | Psi | yeah, if you remove all the phone stuff things get much simpler |
| 09:14.05 | Psi | dont need to get it tested to comply with FCC etc.. |
| 09:14.23 | jc | Psi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8Tsvj2TdQ |
| 09:14.38 | jc | Psi: about 1:50. |
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| 09:16.51 | Psi | be nice if they made a new device with no phone stuff but enough room inside and correct connector so we could buy an existing 3rd party prebuilt 3G gsm module and shove it inside :) |
| 09:17.22 | Psi | that way the module would have already been tested etc.. so should be pretty easy to do |
| 09:17.37 | CVirus | project B is a linux based Tamagotchi |
| 09:17.38 | Psi | of course the module itself would be $$$ |
| 09:17.56 | Psi | i think a lot of people would buy it tho |
| 09:18.12 | Psi | even if it was say $400 for device and $300 for 3G module |
| 09:18.37 | CVirus | this company should be called Openmoko anymore ... just Moko is fine with it |
| 09:18.50 | CVirus | shouldn't* |
| 09:19.03 | pcfe | jc: ah, good morning Ray. |
| 09:19.23 | CVirus | 4th quarter == in 2 years |
| 09:19.38 | CVirus | trust me |
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| 09:20.37 | jc | CVirus: may be a toaster. |
| 09:20.46 | CVirus | probably |
| 09:21.43 | jc | pcfe: haven't chat with you since back from CCC. how's going there? |
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| 09:24.11 | pcfe | jc: it's goig good. Spring hast started here, that is always good. OM wise still playing a lot with it, got myself a debug board at Fosdem to be able to let myself back in in case of massive bootloader flashing fubar |
| 09:24.16 | Psi | heh @ toaster |
| 09:24.33 | pcfe | jc: and yourself, how are you? |
| 09:24.34 | Psi | openmoko starts the first cylon war |
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| 09:28.32 | jc | CVirus: According to Steve, project B will have more info next month. |
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| 10:01.49 | yan | anybody try buld fennec? |
| 10:01.55 | yan | i build failed |
| 10:02.11 | yan | log is configure: error: Compiler cannot compile macros used in autoconf tests. |
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| 10:52.15 | PaulFertser | wonders if anyone can tell him maximum and minimum for pulldowns required for USB host. The idea is to use the same cable both for wall-charger-powered and FR-powered cases. |
| 10:52.20 | PaulFertser | Will 30k pulldown be ok (for the external power case, for FR-powered it'd be 10k effectively)? |
| 10:56.56 | shellevil | drops the USB2 spec on PaulFertser. |
| 10:57.10 | shellevil | has no real clue |
| 10:57.43 | shellevil | I think it's 14k +-few% - but ... |
| 10:58.05 | shellevil | what works in practice - who knows. |
| 11:00.02 | PaulFertser | should have grabbed ~30k Rs from work for a test. |
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| 11:01.38 | PaulFertser | And we even have some unused gpio's on SoC, too bad they're not used to selectively enable/disable those pulldowns. |
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| 11:09.50 | schasch | Hello, i successfulle made a "make fso-gta02-milestone5-image"...but the patched sources are deletetd...how can I bitbake tell to keep the compiled sources? |
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| 11:11.38 | PaulFertser | schasch: try to use an appropriate -c switch (manual is at http://bitbake.berlios.de/manual/ch04s02.html#id870093 ) |
| 11:12.45 | schasch | Paulferster:::I do not understand "appropriate -c" but I will search it in your link |
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| 11:14.56 | max_posedon | summons DocScrutinizer |
| 11:15.45 | PaulFertser | schasch: there's in example "-c clean", "-c build" etc. I guess there's also "unpack" or something like that. |
| 11:16.50 | schasch | wich config/fsomakefile doe have to be edited? |
| 11:17.27 | PaulFertser | schasch: none. You just do "bitbake -c build soft-you-need" |
| 11:18.25 | schasch | Paulfertser:::thanks.....In wich directory? |
| 11:19.05 | schasch | I build it with fsomakefile |
| 11:19.45 | PaulFertser | schasch: in the directory to where OE git repo was cloned. I've never read fsomakefile, should be easy to find out. |
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| 11:22.17 | PaulFertser | lindi-: backlight 11 problem is easily reproducible here with xglamo and latest kernel. So i'd say it's confirmed and is still present. |
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| 11:30.46 | thrashold | Are the writes getting to the SD card delayed? My phone just crashed, and e2fsck reported a vim swp file damaged. I was editing the file in question like some minutes before the crash, and I had closed it. I was editing another file at that same moment, but the swp file was nowhere to be found. As if the crash made my filesystem go back 2 minutes in time. |
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| 11:40.53 | PaulFertser | lindi-: in fact i know the reason. Will try to cook a patch. |
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| 11:48.25 | schasch | I can not find the directory for ". ../setup-env ; bitbake glibc in moko_fso |
| 11:48.25 | schasch | "...alway bitbake error....but it works in my moko(om_2007).... |
| 11:49.25 | shellevil | PaulFertser: yeah - GPIOs should all be brought out on a little bit of internal veroboard :) |
| 11:49.53 | PaulFertser | shellevil: in fact sometimes not all bga pins could be routed at all. |
| 11:50.08 | shellevil | I know |
| 11:50.23 | shellevil | unless you put in more layerss, or go to more aggressive spacings |
| 11:50.28 | shellevil | neither of which are cheap alas. |
| 11:50.57 | shellevil | is currently trying to avoid 6 layers on a teeny design. |
| 11:52.00 | PaulFertser | shellevil: i've seen a guy yesterday at some exhibition who talked about tricky routing techniques including uVia's (vias going only from the topmost layer to the next, not through the whole board). And with all his tricks combined he showed that it's possible to route some huge (>700 iirc) bga in 4 layers. |
| 11:54.08 | shellevil | yep |
| 11:54.24 | shellevil | find a vendor that'll do em cheap... |
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| 11:54.41 | shellevil | It'll come |
| 11:54.57 | shellevil | mobile phone densities and volumes demand it. |
| 11:55.07 | shellevil | And it'll trickle down into more normal stuff |
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| 12:06.37 | PaulFertser | lindi-: please see the kernel ML and close #2262. |
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| 12:11.19 | PaulFertser | BTW, for all those who is using the latest SHR unstable or OM2009 unstable (that is, using the HEAD of andy-tracking branch) and can and wish to report kernel bugs/regressions, it's about the time to do it as Nelson is going to tag a stable release soon. Feel free to discuss issues on IRC or add a ticket to OM trac. Please refrain from senseless/non-reproducible/undebuggable/not-kernel-bugs reports! Thanks in advance. |
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| 12:35.38 | lindi- | PaulFertser: No handler matched request to /2262 |
| 12:35.56 | lindi- | PaulFertser: ah sorry, trac is not debbugs :) |
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| 12:46.27 | PaulFertser | lindi-: easy fix, isn't it? ;) |
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| 13:08.21 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * re40725779c90 10/tests/dtest/ (fsotest.py tests/usage.py): dtest: Add DBus interface and object caching |
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| 13:45.48 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r3e23ca2a7003 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: remove unnecessary syslog line |
| 13:45.49 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * rf1360f7fbd20 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: opimd: fix incorrect variable name |
| 13:45.50 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03seba.dos1 07framework * r542c7e13e021 10/framework/subsystems/opimd/pimd_messages.py: |
| 13:45.50 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: opimd: fix inconsistence with Messages and Contacts API |
| 13:45.51 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Since now opimd Messages should work :) |
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| 13:51.12 | PaulFertser | lindi-: btw, are you sure that your ramconsole patch should be applied to official OM tree? I guess any dev can apply it himself, isn't it too much to expect from ordinary users to adjust boot environment (ram and watchdog setting) anyway? I mean, should #2135 really be a blocker for "stable" kernel release? |
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| 14:09.27 | bernt | When I try to compile git://git.freesmartphone.org/libgsm0710mux.git, there is no "#include <errno.h>" in channel.c and transport.c. But in multiplexer.c it is. How do I get this into the other files too? |
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| 14:40.56 | lindi- | PaulFertser: the patch should be improved so that changing boot loader options is not necessary |
| 14:41.29 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i didn't set it as a blocker but imho it's really help kernel developers |
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| 15:37.27 | eolson | interesting that it's not just openmoko who had difficulty selling things in 2009: Nokia's profits drop 90% in Q1 2009 http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/nokias-profits-drop-90-in-q1-2009/ |
| 15:39.28 | playya | eolson, they only had to pay some additional buisness fees in ungary ;) |
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| 16:32.09 | alephnull | When I boot om2009 (paroli), I get a bunch of 'no space left on device' errors and then it stop at a login prompt. |
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| 16:33.55 | slaxxer | installed to nand? |
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| 16:34.45 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 16:37.59 | alephnull | slaxxer: yes. |
| 16:38.22 | alephnull | via dfu-util. |
| 16:42.18 | Digital_Pioneer | For some reason, none of the accelerometer based apps work on my SHR-unstable. |
| 16:42.40 | ndnihil | accels work on shr testing |
| 16:42.57 | Digital_Pioneer | hexdump /dev/input/event{2,3} shows data correctly, but (for instance) mokomaze will never respond to tilting the phone. |
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| 16:49.28 | slaxxer | did u use that paroli jffs2 file or the latest fso-unstable or what? |
| 16:50.12 | slaxxer | ive found the fso of late to be fairly useable |
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| 17:01.35 | DocScrutinizer | Digital_Pioneer: absolute vs relative coords issue? |
| 17:01.52 | DocScrutinizer | Digital_Pioneer: just wild guessing |
| 17:02.23 | Digital_Pioneer | DocScrutinizer: No clue what that means, but would it cause the ball in mokomaze to remain entirely immobile? |
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| 17:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | Digital_Pioneer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_data_retrieval#Event_types |
| 17:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | somewhere I seem to remember to have read about event type changing from 2 to 3 or sth like that |
| 17:05.40 | Digital_Pioneer | Hmm, that would probably do it. |
| 17:05.45 | DocScrutinizer | maybe that's very ld stuff |
| 17:05.51 | DocScrutinizer | old |
| 17:05.54 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
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| 17:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | Digital_Pioneer: just wild guessing |
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| 17:12.14 | mwester | Yeah, the accels was another of those "let's make the kernel do the right thing but not worry about userspace at all" changes. |
| 17:12.18 | mwester | Sigh. |
| 17:12.39 | slaxxer | switch your feeds to testing, or flash the new testing image when it'll be out, as we're probably going to break unstable in the next few days. |
| 17:12.44 | slaxxer | quote |
| 17:12.47 | mwester | You know, I want for the electric company to show up at every kernel dev's home this afternoon: |
| 17:12.52 | slaxxer | unquote |
| 17:13.04 | mwester | And I want them to change EVERY electrical outlet to something they've never seen before. |
| 17:13.07 | mwester | Then just leave. |
| 17:13.38 | mwester | And when they call to complain, they'll all be told "well, now the outlets are correct, just change every cord in your house. no problem." |
| 17:14.07 | slaxxer | mechanics nightmare |
| 17:14.26 | slaxxer | engineers do suck |
| 17:15.37 | slaxxer | most all things are designed to work an then quit working |
| 17:15.52 | mwester | no, not all. |
| 17:16.10 | slaxxer | name 1 |
| 17:16.53 | slaxxer | besides a refrigerator that was designed before the first great depression |
| 17:17.16 | slaxxer | o an debian |
| 17:17.16 | alephnull | slaxxer: The testing images http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/ |
| 17:18.18 | alephnull | slaxxer: I tried both paroli and fso-image jffs2. |
| 17:19.56 | shellevil | gives slaxxer icy balls. |
| 17:20.13 | slaxxer | ouch |
| 17:20.21 | alephnull | hmmm, and now the phone refuses to boot. |
| 17:20.31 | shellevil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icyball |
| 17:20.59 | slaxxer | http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/ |
| 17:21.10 | toggles_w | crikey, what a ripper |
| 17:21.18 | slaxxer | i used daily |
| 17:22.33 | slaxxer | paroli an zhone together working |
| 17:23.10 | alephnull | slaxxer: Which kernel ? Qi is already up to date. |
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| 17:23.28 | slaxxer | paroli is fast on this image coming from suspend |
| 17:23.31 | The-Butch | hi@all |
| 17:23.38 | slaxxer | i use uboot |
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| 17:24.19 | slaxxer | before the phone rings at primary end the phone is out of suspend |
| 17:24.27 | The-Butch | is someone here who can help me with dbus? |
| 17:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | The-Butch: #openmoko-cdevel |
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| 17:48.00 | slaxxer | does intone work on the new shr-testing? |
| 17:50.39 | slaxxer | 2.6.29 rc-2 |
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| 18:04.30 | mmontour | mwester: it's not fair to say that the accel change was a "not worry about userspace at all". See http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-March/005081.html |
| 18:05.27 | bumbl | ~spank Dave |
| 18:05.28 | apt | ACTION bends Dave over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on Dave's pasty white buttocks. |
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| 18:05.56 | ndnihil | ~stab apt |
| 18:05.57 | apt | ACTION runs at apt with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 18:06.17 | dos1 | ~spank Dave |
| 18:06.18 | apt | ACTION bends Dave over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on Dave's pasty white buttocks. |
| 18:06.35 | bumbl | ~help |
| 18:07.31 | bumbl | ~slap Dave |
| 18:07.32 | apt | ACTION slaps Dave, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 18:07.43 | bumbl | ;) |
| 18:07.46 | bumbl | we should have apt in cdevel |
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| 18:10.09 | mwester | mmontour: Yeah, ok. So we have to say that the accel change was a deliberate "tough luck, userspace!" |
| 18:10.10 | mwester | Not sure that's any better. |
| 18:10.10 | dos1 | because he can spank Dave! |
| 18:10.10 | dos1 | ;D |
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| 18:16.24 | bumbl | dos1: because apt = navy seal trained buzzbot ;) |
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| 18:34.21 | alephnull | If I get errors in jffs_do_read_inode_internal about truncating an inode, is that because the jffs2 I flashed was corrupted or that my NAND is corrupted ? |
| 18:35.04 | alephnull | I've tried today's and the testing image of om2009 (paroli) and I get the same error. |
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| 19:03.11 | Digital_Pioneer | mwester: So there was a change in the accelerometers? |
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| 19:08.17 | dos1 | Digital_Pioneer: yes, there was |
| 19:08.41 | Digital_Pioneer | IC. So that would explain why accelerometer-aware apps have ceased to function. |
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| 19:09.12 | Digital_Pioneer | I hope it was an upgrade. :P |
| 19:09.34 | dos1 | OpenMooCow works ;) |
| 19:10.00 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahh, OK, well that's all the software I need. :D |
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| 19:11.29 | Think-Free | Hi ! Can somebody tell me how to add my blog to planet.openmoko.org ? I can find it anywhere :/ |
| 19:12.14 | Think-Free | found :) |
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| 22:56.27 | badcloud | hello everybawdy |
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| 23:01.51 | badcloud | what's the status of gsm not working after a few hours in 2008.12? |
| 23:04.03 | rooly | known |
| 23:04.15 | alphaone | badcloud: My status is it works for days in FSO |
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| 23:09.27 | badcloud | same for me in shr, alphaone |
| 23:10.26 | badcloud | but I'm still edgy about not being able to get sms's that are sent to me while the device is off |
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| 23:10.55 | badcloud | which doesn't happen in 2008.12 |
| 23:11.05 | badcloud | have you tested this in FSO? |
| 23:11.13 | alphaone | badcloud: Huh? |
| 23:11.21 | alphaone | Oh, they should be there |
| 23:11.29 | badcloud | say someone sends you an sms while your phone is off |
| 23:11.37 | badcloud | what happens when you turn it on? |
| 23:11.44 | badcloud | to you get that sms? |
| 23:11.44 | alphaone | I get the messages |
| 23:11.47 | alphaone | yes |
| 23:11.49 | badcloud | I see |
| 23:11.55 | badcloud | I'll give fso a try |
| 23:12.05 | badcloud | any kernel you recommend? |
| 23:12.07 | alphaone | Though if I get more than one only the last one is shown.. |
| 23:12.15 | badcloud | blast |
| 23:12.18 | badcloud | I give up |
| 23:12.30 | alphaone | So you'd have to look through the message list yourself |
| 23:12.46 | alphaone | (kernel) nothing out of the ordinary |
| 23:13.15 | badcloud | wait, but does that mean that all of them show up in the inbox? |
| 23:13.41 | badcloud | that's not half terrible |
| 23:14.07 | badcloud | so do you actually receive all of them? |
| 23:15.57 | badcloud | alphaone? |
| 23:18.56 | alphaone | badcloud: YEah, they do |
| 23:19.09 | alphaone | FSO uses SIM memory so your space might be limited |
| 23:19.57 | badcloud | thanks |
| 23:20.27 | alphaone | np |
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| 23:20.56 | alphaone | FSO meaning FSO + zhone in my case |
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