| 00:00.34 | sandsmark | I wonder if I could get qemu running, and run Windows7 in it |
| 00:00.34 | sandsmark | would probably need the whole 4GB SD card as swap, and nfs-mount the image, but hey :D |
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| 00:02.58 | lord-carlos | hehe, it takes ~15 to 30 minutes to boot windows 7 (or vista?) in qemu on the PlayStation3 ..it would take days to start it on a openmoko |
| 00:04.13 | sandsmark | I think someone started booting mac os x in an emulator on a mac II or something some years ago |
| 00:04.28 | max_posedon | sandsmark, still booting? |
| 00:04.59 | sandsmark | max_posedon: probably, or the person who did it has given up :) |
| 00:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | after 2Y 5months there was a failure of UPS XD |
| 00:07.15 | sandsmark | :P |
| 00:07.27 | DocScrutinizer | brownout... -> reset |
| 00:07.33 | sandsmark | hmm, any of the wifi management apps that actually uses connman? |
| 00:07.41 | max_posedon | lord-carlos, did you did this qemu-testing? or just find info somewhere? |
| 00:07.50 | max_posedon | sandsmark, mdbus! |
| 00:07.56 | sandsmark | max_posedon: :P |
| 00:08.02 | sandsmark | max_posedon: I want clicky clicky! :) |
| 00:08.10 | sandsmark | if I so have to write it myself :P |
| 00:08.51 | max_posedon | sandsmark, don't write, just add all features to shr's settings |
| 00:09.52 | sandsmark | well, I have a fairly long todo list to finish first (exams, filelight, wicd-support in the networkmanagement plasmoid, porting spacetrader, etc. :D) |
| 00:10.10 | lord-carlos | max_posedon: nope, not me. Some you tube video |
| 00:10.13 | sandsmark | but afterwards, I promise! :p |
| 00:10.45 | max_posedon | sandsmark, you know, we all have very long todo lists |
| 00:10.53 | sandsmark | yeah, unfortunately :) |
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| 00:23.03 | raster | dumps his todo list on max_posedon's |
| 00:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | hi raster! :) |
| 00:23.55 | CVirus | raster: how do you handle your to-dlist ? |
| 00:25.08 | raster | CVirus: i go for the "leave it long enough and lots of things opn your todo list will either get done by someone else or become irrelevant anyway" method |
| 00:25.14 | raster | DocScrutinizer: yoooooooooooooo! |
| 00:25.25 | CVirus | lol |
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| 00:26.05 | raster | it works often for email! |
| 00:26.06 | raster | :) |
| 00:26.18 | raster | "hey! i have a bug in my code.. can you help?" |
| 00:26.24 | raster | them a few days later |
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| 00:26.44 | raster | "hey! i still have a problem in my code! i found that X and y go poof! help?" |
| 00:26.48 | raster | and a few days later |
| 00:27.09 | raster | "hey! that problem! i found it! it was my fault. i did something stupid!" |
| 00:27.14 | sandsmark | or âhere's a patchâ? :p |
| 00:27.21 | raster | it is at this 3rd mail that i reply |
| 00:27.27 | raster | "awesome!" |
| 00:27.28 | raster | :) |
| 00:27.38 | sandsmark | bleh, what's the default virtual keyboard in the FSO snapshots? |
| 00:27.40 | raster | AntonTakk: or that |
| 00:27.49 | raster | errr |
| 00:27.51 | sandsmark | :p |
| 00:27.52 | raster | sandsmark: or that |
| 00:27.52 | raster | :) |
| 00:27.58 | raster | but its amazing how often it happens |
| 00:28.19 | raster | so simply "waiting a week or 2" before replynig to mail often renders a chunk of it obsolete or solved :) |
| 00:28.31 | sandsmark | :P |
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| 00:41.59 | sandsmark | hrm, how do I get up the keyboard in illume/FSO? |
| 00:46.35 | shellevil | echo 1 >/sys/class/input/keyboard and the hardware keyboard pops out. |
| 00:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | shit, doesn't work on M800 ;) |
| 00:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | pop-servo seems broken |
| 00:48.57 | sandsmark | shellevil: ouch, it smashed into my crotch :> |
| 00:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
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| 00:52.23 | Toaster` | Is there a clean way to restart the framework without rebooting? |
| 00:52.36 | sandsmark | restart X? |
| 00:52.51 | sandsmark | /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart for example? |
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| 00:55.13 | Toaster` | sandsmark: Beautiful, thanks! |
| 00:55.19 | sandsmark | np |
| 00:55.41 | sandsmark | awesome, openttd and scummvm! |
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| 01:55.17 | slaxxer | somethingh very weird is going on here |
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| 01:56.29 | slaxxer | i install a kernel known by me to be a working kernel an a known good working rootfs an 1/2 the time things dont work |
| 01:56.48 | slaxxer | this is a real problem |
| 01:57.45 | Dave | The root of all evil. |
| 02:02.29 | slaxxer | while im at it i may as well bitch about the dependencies not being put with the software, or atlease a link to them |
| 02:02.47 | slaxxer | ;) |
| 02:03.12 | slaxxer | thats a tear right there Dave |
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| 02:20.28 | Dave | frooly o/ |
| 02:20.35 | rooly | mmhmm |
| 02:20.37 | rooly | don't remind me |
| 02:20.52 | Dave | :P |
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| 04:03.21 | slaxxer | paroli |
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| 07:24.52 | methril|work | good morning |
| 07:25.12 | beers | hi |
| 07:26.32 | jc | morning. |
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| 07:29.48 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:35.36 | eMBee | which distribution/version is recommended for reliable sms use? |
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| 07:38.36 | beers | I think qt extended improve will be nice |
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| 07:40.53 | eMBee | beers: is that an answer to my question? or just ageneralcomment? |
| 07:42.41 | beers | yes it is an answer to you question. I have no problem with getting SMS's, but I have not tried to send but I have head that there should be no problem |
| 07:42.58 | eMBee | ok, thanks, will lookinto it |
| 07:43.25 | eMBee | earliersomeonesaid that shr doesn't receive sms when the phone isoff, so that,s not good |
| 07:43.39 | eMBee | grumbles at his spacebar |
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| 07:46.09 | eMBee | wonders if it is possible to have multiple systems on the sd card, to switch between them... |
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| 08:01.25 | mjr | yes. |
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| 08:08.03 | eMBee | mjr: are there instructions on the wiki for that? |
| 08:10.00 | mjr | Dunno. But it's a partitionable block device. Do the math. |
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| 08:10.45 | mjr | some distros might of course require manual calibration in their assumptions about the sd card |
| 08:12.01 | nullix | i split my sdcard in four partition of quite equal size, first is vfat for data, others are respectively Android, SHR and freee for future use |
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| 08:12.27 | nullix | three other are all ext2/ |
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| 09:08.48 | eMBee | mjr, the math is clear, i was mostly concerend about the ability to select a system using u-boot |
| 09:09.16 | eMBee | nullix: how big is your sd card? |
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| 09:13.17 | nullix | eMBee: 4Gb |
| 09:13.33 | nullix | 1GB/partition |
| 09:13.45 | nullix | ( latest is smaller ) |
| 09:15.23 | nullix | i boot with Qi installed on NAND |
| 09:16.21 | nullix | currently i boot on third partition having SHR, while on second i deactivated boot on android by putting /boot/noboot-GTA02 in it |
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| 09:35.31 | eMBee | nullix: how do you switch? |
| 09:36.16 | eMBee | qi is walking all pattitions until it finds a bootable one? |
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| 09:37.36 | nullix | eMBee: i currently switch by delteing the file manualy , but i will write a script for each system later on |
| 09:38.29 | eMBee | ok |
| 09:38.51 | nullix | and yes, qi choose the first non fat one that contain an image in boot but no noboot |
| 09:39.01 | eMBee | how would such a script look like? |
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| 09:40.33 | eMBee | hmm, i guessit would just move the noboot file around |
| 09:41.33 | eMBee | only has a 500mb sd card |
| 09:41.53 | eMBee | but 250,b should be enoughfor an image? |
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| 09:42.02 | eMBee | 250mb |
| 09:43.20 | nullix | yes i thing so |
| 09:43.52 | nullix | with 2x250 partition, you can have one alternate system and one data partition |
| 09:44.15 | eMBee | i don't really need adata partition for now |
| 09:45.28 | nullix | then you can have two systems |
| 09:45.39 | eMBee | :-) |
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| 11:45.06 | nullix | i did upgrade my shr testing into an unstable and i am no usb g_ether ethernet conenctivity anymore ( and i don't have any application icon either ) |
| 11:45.42 | nullix | either Terminal or xterm crashes |
| 11:45.54 | nullix | don't now how to get access to it now .. |
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| 11:48.51 | nullix | got vte working |
| 11:51.22 | nullix | modules.dep was missing, fixed with depmod |
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| 11:53.26 | lindi- | nullix: vte? |
| 11:53.30 | lindi- | nullix: libvte? |
| 11:53.54 | saracen | wonders if theres a possibility of replacing the gta02 screen with a capactive touch screen |
| 11:55.26 | nullix | yes i did install vte something at one point in testing, i have been saved be this one |
| 11:56.33 | nullix | well just to start this thingie was difficult, i created a vte app then add it in favorites then add start gadget and from mini start icon i manage to run vte... |
| 11:58.15 | nullix | now i have ssh access again |
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| 12:25.47 | fasta | Is basic calling and gettting called, SMS, some decent navigation and agenda functionality working on the Neo Freerunner? I am asking this on behalf of someone else who has absolutely no intention to tinker with the device. |
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| 12:29.30 | ndnihil | fasta: if they dont want to tinker, point them to another phone |
| 12:30.04 | ndnihil | its entirely usable, but it's not a "consumer level" device |
| 12:32.18 | ndnihil | think of it more as a handheld/pda that happens to have a phone feature |
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| 12:33.18 | fasta | ndnihil: this person does wants to support open hardware, but at the same time just wants a working phone. If the phone doesn't have the above features it will basically be a donation, which is not the intention. |
| 12:33.47 | ndnihil | it has those features, but he will have to set it up, and there is a learning curve |
| 12:34.09 | ndnihil | getting it set up to use as a daily phone requires some effort and tinkering |
| 12:34.36 | ndnihil | he could easily dual boot it though |
| 12:34.57 | ndnihil | use android or something for regular use, and play with SHR/qt/etc... when he has time |
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| 12:36.39 | Weiss | i wouldn't necessarily say that lots of tweaking is required (at least in my experience with the latest images), but what you will need is patience.. |
| 12:36.51 | fasta | So, there is a navigation application? |
| 12:37.03 | ndnihil | there's a few |
| 12:37.13 | ndnihil | tangogps, navit, gpsdrive |
| 12:37.18 | ndnihil | probably others |
| 12:38.59 | lord-carlos | tangogps and gpsdive a showing the curent current position on a map, not which street to take to get to an waypoint |
| 12:39.23 | ndnihil | step by step directions are for women |
| 12:39.34 | ndnihil | :) |
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| 13:05.04 | eMBee | ndnihil: so android runs well already? |
| 13:05.23 | ndnihil | haven't use it myself, but that's what I hear |
| 13:05.44 | eMBee | hmm, but it doesn't support ssh |
| 13:05.55 | ndnihil | *shrug* |
| 13:06.19 | ndnihil | s/use/used/ |
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| 13:13.21 | eMBee | does shr support wifi? |
| 13:13.28 | ndnihil | kinda |
| 13:13.58 | eMBee | what's missing? the gui? or drivers? |
| 13:14.13 | ndnihil | it has both |
| 13:14.19 | ndnihil | but it just doesnt work for some people |
| 13:14.22 | eMBee | oh, have not seen a gui |
| 13:14.26 | ndnihil | like me for instance |
| 13:14.31 | eMBee | heh |
| 13:14.33 | ndnihil | though to be honest, I've not tried very hard |
| 13:14.37 | ndnihil | mofi is the gui |
| 13:14.53 | eMBee | oh, i was running that, i got an empty screen |
| 13:15.25 | ndnihil | that means nothing was in range |
| 13:15.43 | ndnihil | open a terminal |
| 13:15.49 | ndnihil | and do an: iwlist eth0 scan |
| 13:15.50 | eMBee | i was less then 1m from my accesspoint |
| 13:17.15 | ndnihil | from what I've seen, if it shows up in iwlist scan, it'll show up in mofi |
| 13:17.29 | eMBee | ok |
| 13:17.42 | ndnihil | uses the same mechanism, so there's no reason it wouldnt |
| 13:17.55 | eMBee | of course |
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| 13:20.57 | eMBee | eth0? there is no eth0 |
| 13:21.16 | eMBee | only lo, usb0 and pan0 |
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| 13:24.23 | saracen | "Note: The touch screen isn't part of the TPO TD028TTEC1, but part of the assembled LCD module (LCD display + Touch screen) that Openmoko gets from the factory." |
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| 13:24.42 | henk | eMBee: ifconfig -a will show you all networking devices. |
| 13:25.00 | saracen | I find this confusing... so if I was to order the TD028TTEC1, it comes with a different touchscreen to what the GTA02 is using? |
| 13:25.02 | thrashold | I'm getting `mmc0: error -5 whilst initialising SD card'. It doesn't happen always, but I have to remove the card, play for some time with the slot and put it back. I just both a new one, and we're back at the same point... |
| 13:25.07 | thrashold | anyone has any ideas? |
| 13:25.37 | thrashold | bought |
| 13:25.39 | thrashold | damn, I can't write |
| 13:27.00 | eMBee | i know, there is no eth0 |
| 13:29.23 | eMBee | oh, now it shows up |
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| 13:30.31 | eMBee | ok, now i have the wierd situation that the accesspoint does show up in mofi, but not in iwlist scan |
| 13:30.35 | thrashold | how far should I insert the card into the holder so it will work best? |
| 13:31.04 | ndnihil | it'll only fit properly one way |
| 13:31.34 | ndnihil | notch on the sim towards the uSD and outside of the case |
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| 13:37.49 | nullix | on mine the sim didn't fits well, i had to put a slice of paper between silm and back cover to maintain the sim in place, but for uSD there is no special thing... |
| 13:38.58 | eMBee | wonders what this moocow app does |
| 13:39.13 | bruce_c | mickey|sun: could you consider applying the following patch please: http://cran.org.uk/~brucec/openmoko/rm_work.bbclass.patch It's the first of many fixes to improve portability |
| 13:39.32 | ndnihil | nullix: I ended up sticking a layer of clear tape on mine |
| 13:39.34 | ndnihil | to add thickness |
| 13:39.46 | ndnihil | cingular branded 3g fireball sim |
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| 13:39.51 | ndnihil | 73000 |
| 13:40.32 | Weiss | eMBee: it moos. |
| 13:41.35 | eMBee | oh, i have a sound isue then |
| 13:41.44 | eMBee | can't hear anything |
| 13:41.47 | Weiss | grr, not again :( |
| 13:41.53 | Weiss | try modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 13:41.56 | ndnihil | it wants to use oss, while you're probably running alsa |
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| 13:43.46 | eMBee | ok, it moos now, but very quiet |
| 13:46.08 | thrashold | are SDHC cards fully supported by Neo 1973? |
| 13:46.26 | thrashold | By fully, I mean work without problems |
| 13:51.30 | thrashold | For example, can you boot from them? |
| 13:51.32 | mjr | I'm not sure about u-boot, but once you have linux booted, they do work |
| 13:52.07 | thrashold | So it is possible that my phone is not booting because I'm trying to boot from a SDHC card? |
| 13:52.40 | methril|work | IIRC u-boot from OpenMoko doesn't work really well, but i see some fixes in u-boot mainline |
| 13:52.49 | methril|work | it's possible |
| 13:53.36 | mjr | The situation at least has been such that u-boot couldn't load the kernel from sdhc on 1973: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Boot_from_SDHC |
| 13:53.58 | mjr | workaround: load kernel from nand flash, use sdhc as rootfs |
| 13:55.09 | mjr | and what methril said, I do seem to recall seeing some patches somewhere, but that'll need an uboot upgrade if true |
| 13:55.22 | thrashold | Thanks. I'll try to avoid uboot upgrade |
| 13:57.04 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03Nytowl * r4967 10/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/gsmspeakerout.state: Changed DAPM speaker out ( control.87 ) to true so speakerout works |
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| 14:16.00 | slaxxer | todays fso seems to work an paroli is instaled right beside zhone |
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| 14:38.35 | sylar91 | hi all |
| 14:38.35 | sylar91 | :) |
| 14:38.44 | Zorkman | hi |
| 14:39.00 | sylar91 | if you like beer so you have to look at this - http://www.freerunner.netsons.org/immagini/birra.jpg |
| 14:39.20 | Dave | :P |
| 14:39.40 | Zorkman | hehe |
| 14:39.42 | sylar91 | it is a mod to the plugin battery made by an italian fr user |
| 14:39.43 | sylar91 | :P |
| 14:39.52 | sylar91 | *battery plugin |
| 14:40.17 | slaxxer | the mug is half full |
| 14:41.10 | sylar91 | slaxxer: yes so charge it :P it is better when it is full |
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| 14:51.43 | toggles_w | sylar91: awesome, love it.. |
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| 16:02.48 | dinendalelanesse | hi all |
| 16:11.51 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * re47892b75d3b 10/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 16:11.51 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: * [ogsmd] Support handling setup and tethering of PDP connections on our own. |
| 16:11.51 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: * [ogsmd] [QUALCOMM MSM]: Handle setup the PDP connection. |
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| 16:19.41 | thrashold | Does the raster keyboard support specifying the letter when both shift *and* caps lock are pressed (for example, when shift gets a different letter, and both should be uppercase when caps lock is pressed?) |
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| 16:24.39 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03rask 07stable * rb20cc520a227 10/board/neo1973/gta02/glamo-mmc.c: glamo-mmc: Enable reading from cards above 4 GiB |
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| 16:32.50 | slaxxer | wassa |
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| 16:36.12 | bipak | p |
| 16:37.07 | CVirus | lol |
| 16:39.54 | slaxxer | having better luck with fso |
| 16:40.15 | slaxxer | zhone an paroli side by side |
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| 17:36.03 | rjune_ | yay!, the phone will turn on reliably now |
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| 17:59.21 | Defiant | rjune_: "Turn on reliably"? |
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| 17:59.35 | rjune_ | I had some issues with it the other day |
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| 20:18.06 | cyberalex | there is a way to have leds switched on in suspend? |
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| 20:26.31 | mwester | You cannot change the state of the LEDs while the host cpu is suspended. |
| 20:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | yup, but you can keep a LED lit while going to suspend |
| 20:34.48 | DocScrutinizer | originally the plan was even to have a way to dim the LED by hw-PWM. AFAIK there's some flaw in that though |
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| 20:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | takes some of the coffee mwester gave him. Then starts to think about the topic once more |
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| 20:45.15 | cyberalex | DocScrutinizer: how to keep led lit in suspend mode? |
| 20:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | lite it and stop suspend from disabling it during suspend start |
| 20:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | usually all IO should keep status during suspend. if it doesn't then sth is interfering with this scheme |
| 20:48.25 | cyberalex | in shr where are suspend and resume scripts? |
| 20:48.32 | DocScrutinizer | i.e. is explicitly switching off LEDs' GPIO |
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| 20:54.48 | cyberalex | DocScrutinizer: leds should keep their state while fr is going in suspend mode? |
| 20:54.55 | mmontour | cyberalex: at one time there was a suggestion that you could blink the LEDs in suspend by scheduling RTC wakeups to toggle the state and then immediately re-suspend (maybe even in Qi, without involving Linux). Don't know how well it would actually work. |
| 20:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | mmontour: we're not talking blink yet |
| 20:56.00 | mirko-paroli | hej DocScrutinizer |
| 20:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | cyberalex: that's the idea afaik |
| 20:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | hi mirko |
| 20:56.11 | mirko-paroli | how's life ? |
| 20:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | jetlagged by inner clock skew due to dunno what |
| 20:57.16 | mirko-paroli | no coffee around? |
| 20:57.36 | DocScrutinizer | my second glass ATM |
| 20:57.44 | mirko-paroli | that's a start |
| 20:57.49 | DocScrutinizer | then need to care for breakfast |
| 20:57.56 | mirko-paroli | iirc the glasses were rather smal :) |
| 20:57.59 | mirko-paroli | +s |
| 20:58.02 | mirko-paroli | -s +l |
| 20:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | nah, 0.4L |
| 20:58.45 | DocScrutinizer | may be 0.33 actually |
| 20:58.46 | mirko-paroli | k, so less than my breakfast |
| 20:59.02 | mirko-paroli | had to have 1.2l this morning before actually opening my eyes |
| 20:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | fruehjahrsmuedigkeit I guess |
| 21:00.01 | mirko-paroli | hehe, more sleep deprivation ... |
| 21:00.22 | mirko-paroli | just too much social-life |
| 21:00.26 | mirko-paroli | which is rare for me :) |
| 21:00.41 | mirko-paroli | so i switched to beer at this time of the day |
| 21:00.50 | mirko-paroli | but soon I'll be on coffee 24/7 again |
| 21:00.53 | mirko-paroli | longing for that |
| 21:00.55 | mirko-paroli | :) |
| 21:01.24 | mirko-paroli | what ya workin' on these days? |
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| 21:04.52 | DocScrutinizer | a little bit of autocalibrating audio settings to care about differing mic sensitivity after buzzfix. also thinking of a way to check for the evil 1uF-0R in earpiece path |
| 21:05.17 | mirko-paroli | i should seriously have done my homework |
| 21:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | alsa-devices hooks to replace alsactl statefile scheme |
| 21:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | and first of all: get a new job |
| 21:07.31 | mirko-paroli | anything on the horizon? |
| 21:08.24 | DocScrutinizer | nah, flashing up and vanishing frequently |
| 21:08.33 | mirko-paroli | hmm ... not too good |
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| 21:10.11 | mirko-paroli | I often think about the long talks on the balcony in TPE |
| 21:10.13 | mirko-paroli | was very much fun |
| 21:10.19 | mirko-paroli | and the chrsitmas plans :P |
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