| 00:00.32 | mwester | Poor battery life on the FR. |
| 00:00.52 | mwester | It's useless for even a day trip hiking, biking, or anything else. |
| 00:04.21 | Digital_Pioneer | mwester: Really? I find SHR-unstable to have excellent battery life. |
| 00:05.27 | mwester | I'm not comparing distro-to-distro; I agree that SHR does about as good as you can get with the current kernel. |
| 00:05.33 | max_posedon | Digital_Pioneer, it isn't about distro, it just about device |
| 00:06.03 | max_posedon | wake up'en neo with screen = 200mA |
| 00:06.06 | mwester | It's still insufficient, and probably won't ever be really adequate for all-day GPS use (unless maybe cesarb's cpufreq stuff gets incorporated) |
| 00:06.17 | max_posedon | add 100 for gps |
| 00:06.44 | max_posedon | and neo will work only 4hours, and even 3 if you enable wifi/bluetooth |
| 00:07.20 | Digital_Pioneer | Which is why you suspend it. :) |
| 00:07.43 | bruce_c | not when you're logging GPS points every few seconds |
| 00:07.55 | mwester | If we could run the clock really slowly (and still service the GPS serial port), and wake once per 30 seconds for a fraction of a second to get a sample from the GPS, that might work. And only wake fully when the display is needed... |
| 00:07.58 | Digital_Pioneer | Now, I don't use it much for wifi, because idiot vala-terminal crapped out on me, went back to a white BG which doesn't work nice with white text; and I still can't find a working wifi frontend. |
| 00:08.11 | mwester | But the current kernels have no such "partial wake" feature. |
| 00:08.50 | mwester | Oh, the wifi is **&(*&$%! again on SHR with the latest kernel. Somebody changed somethign WRT to the wifi power-up stuff, and it panics the kernel. Nice. |
| 00:09.31 | max_posedon | ...biking..., what about charging from bike? |
| 00:09.54 | mwester | And mofi writes a corrupted wpa config file when it encounters a node that is not broadcasting an SSID... |
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| 00:11.15 | mwester | max_posedon: yes, that's an option. but I was hoping for something more general for the summer activities. :) I'll keep looking on eBay, I guess even if I could trickle-charge a spare Nokia battery that would be better than nothing. |
| 00:12.02 | mwester | wonders if somebody makes a solar USB charger... |
| 00:12.48 | lstor | mwester: I bought one a few months ago |
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| 00:12.59 | mwester | Do they work? |
| 00:13.09 | lstor | Yeah, it worked wonderfully, until it broke down :P |
| 00:13.19 | mwester | oops. |
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| 00:25.38 | lstor | Hmm, pinging a dns server by ip works wonderfully, but I can't ping named servers, even though they seem to be listed correctly in resolv.conf. Any ideas? |
| 00:26.07 | wurp2 | mwester: If you're just wanting to power the neo, aren't you looking at more like 3W, and wouldn't that be much cheaper? |
| 00:30.08 | mwester | Yeah, I'm downgrading my requirments; I'll do without the laptop -- too pricey to power that. |
| 00:33.46 | Dave | Wester, did you see someone's FR battery cell solar charger thing? |
| 00:34.00 | Dave | I remember someone showing me something a few months ago they did, and apparently it worked |
| 00:34.06 | Dave | (maybe it was for the gta01, but still) |
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| 00:37.33 | badcloud | arrrrg, each kernel is a tradeoff with 2008.12 |
| 00:38.02 | badcloud | one has gps, the other doesn't suspend |
| 00:38.25 | mwester | welcome to kernel-hell |
| 00:38.34 | mwester | Dave: Nope, didn't see that. |
| 00:38.42 | badcloud | yours is actually doing quite well, mwester |
| 00:38.51 | mwester | It's _old_ |
| 00:38.54 | badcloud | it's the one I'm trying now |
| 00:39.23 | badcloud | if it suspends after 30 seconds, I'm sold |
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| 00:41.23 | badcloud | what I can't figure out is why I can't usb ssh anymore under ubuntu 8.10 |
| 00:41.56 | badcloud | nm |
| 00:42.06 | badcloud | it's as random as god knows what |
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| 00:51.12 | lstor | badcloud: Meaning that the smallest program generating it has infinite length? :D |
| 00:52.05 | badcloud | ha, good one |
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| 01:29.07 | Dave | Virus |
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| 04:22.34 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Add Info Interface |
| 04:22.34 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sudharshan 'Sup3rkiddo' S <sudharsh@gmail.com> |
| 04:22.35 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * racfe7d4ea1b4 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/Makefile.am: |
| 04:22.35 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Fix a build error due to missing package inclusion |
| 04:22.39 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sudharshan 'Sup3rkiddo' S <sudharsh@gmail.com> |
| 04:22.41 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * rfcedfc687954 10/fsodeviced/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 04:22.43 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Add Info plugin |
| 04:22.45 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sudharshan 'Sup3rkiddo' S <sudharsh@gmail.com> |
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| 06:35.36 | eMBee | good afternoon |
| 06:36.53 | eMBee | i just read on http://blog.shr-project.org/2009/03/which-features-are-missing-in-shr.html that there is no pim and no rule manager ui. |
| 06:37.07 | eMBee | does that mean i can not manage contact groups on shr? |
| 06:38.21 | eMBee | and what about the rule manager? is just the UI missing? (can i set that up manually in a config file or something?) |
| 06:38.58 | raster | rules all over eMBee |
| 06:39.30 | eMBee | feels privileged |
| 06:39.37 | ManBearPig_ | wtf |
| 06:40.00 | raster | says the man bear pig |
| 06:40.04 | raster | :) |
| 06:40.26 | ManBearPig_ | dude i think i need to setup a compile cluster cause om just takes forever |
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| 06:40.42 | ManBearPig_ | distcc + oe |
| 06:41.01 | raster | ManBearPig_: might help.. tho to be honest compiling itself is not most of the work |
| 06:41.10 | raster | ie using distcc wont get u a huge speedup |
| 06:41.20 | raster | it spends a LOT of time in configure, shell and python stuff |
| 06:41.26 | raster | in fact most of it is not "gcc" |
| 06:41.40 | raster | you best bet is to use parallel make in oe |
| 06:41.50 | raster | and get a 4 core cpu |
| 06:41.59 | raster | (or get 2x 4 core cpu's) |
| 06:42.04 | raster | oh -- and a but-tonne of ram |
| 06:42.06 | ManBearPig_ | linuxpmi? |
| 06:42.10 | raster | 16g |
| 06:42.22 | raster | get that and u'll have a fast oe build box |
| 06:42.34 | raster | (once u've built oe once most of the io it needs will be cached) |
| 06:42.57 | ManBearPig_ | i'm trying to make my own image |
| 06:43.03 | raster | then.. patience |
| 06:43.08 | raster | go away |
| 06:43.11 | raster | do somehting else |
| 06:43.14 | raster | come back once its done |
| 06:43.24 | raster | rebuilds on updates will be much faster as it only rebuilds some things |
| 06:44.07 | ManBearPig_ | yeah oe is genious |
| 06:44.39 | ManBearPig_ | i'm super cereal |
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| 07:27.01 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07framework * ra21ea39cc5cb 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py: ogsmd: [TI CALYPSO]: set default speaker volume to maximum. Closes FSO #398 |
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| 07:40.46 | eMBee | hmm, shr looks a lot more promising than om2008.12, but contacts and messages crash :-( |
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| 07:42.57 | max_posedon | eMBee, it happens if framework doesn't connected to GSM |
| 07:43.19 | eMBee | ah, thanks :-( |
| 07:43.24 | max_posedon | so 1. reboot(restart) 2. don't try run this apps until gsm registration |
| 07:43.50 | max_posedon | and still sometimes it happens anyway... |
| 07:43.52 | eMBee | i don't have a sim card, and i do expect to be able to access those without it |
| 07:44.11 | eMBee | is any owrk being done to fix that? |
| 07:44.30 | eMBee | s/owrk/work/ |
| 07:44.36 | max_posedon | ah, accesss to dialer and messages without sim?!.. |
| 07:44.50 | eMBee | not diealer, but contacts |
| 07:45.15 | max_posedon | shr store contacts on sim, no any pim implemented |
| 07:45.23 | eMBee | oh, right |
| 07:46.41 | eMBee | is someone working on these things? |
| 07:47.38 | max_posedon | I don't know, but they have it in plans |
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| 07:54.53 | eMBee | nods |
| 07:54.53 | Bert_2 | Hi, I just put the shr-unstable image of the 9th of april on my SD card and booted it, it seems to work fine but all parts of the settings manager now have their own icons, I had a look in /usr/share/applications and I see that all their .desktop files are in a specific directory, what do you guys or illume want to do with that ? (is it a bug or is there some kind of plan ?) |
| 07:55.20 | max_posedon | Bert_2, as for me I just deleted that directory |
| 07:55.32 | Bert_2 | max_posedon: okey, so it's a bug ? |
| 07:56.12 | Bert_2 | or you don't know ? |
| 07:56.44 | max_posedon | I don't know, shr team has 'implement categories on desktop' feature in plans, may be this is part of it(not fully implemented). |
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| 07:57.39 | Bert_2 | max_posedon: it would be awesome if they did that, it would fix my icon madness issues |
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| 09:03.02 | PaulFertser | OT: does anyone know how to force irssi to immediately reconnect to all servers (shown in /servers)? |
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| 09:12.57 | bipak_ | PaulFertser: try #irssi ;) |
| 09:13.30 | PaulFertser | bipak_: i'm afraid to go to uncommon places and to meet unknown people. |
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| 09:13.39 | bipak_ | haha |
| 09:15.10 | bipak_ | there might me a script for it |
| 09:15.28 | PaulFertser | Strangers! go away! "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you!" |
| 09:15.29 | bipak_ | the reconnect command doesn't seem to support reconnect to all servers |
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| 09:17.09 | PaulFertser | bipak_: exactly my thoughts |
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| 09:18.29 | bipak_ | so i wasn't a real help :\ |
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| 09:21.27 | PaulFertser | bipak_: i don't need help, i need lolz. Though help would be somewhat handy too, because it'd be reasonable to force reconnect immediately after pppoe connection re-appears. |
| 09:22.29 | shellevil | shell server somewhere + screen |
| 09:22.33 | shellevil | or static ip |
| 09:22.43 | bipak_ | good idea. I just wait until the timeout appears |
| 09:23.46 | PaulFertser | shellevil: i have a shell server with bip. I don't want to run screen there though, i prefer to have it locally. |
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| 09:27.03 | max_posedon | DocScrutinizer, Did you recive my "spam" on Friday? How it is going about "papers"? |
| 09:28.22 | Bert_2 | sorry, where can I find a more detailed roadmap of SHR than the one on http://shr-project.org/trac/roadmap ? |
| 09:28.23 | bipak_ | PaulFertser: ah really? i think ive lost the account data. please resend it to me :p |
| 09:28.43 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i guess catolic "easter" is not over yet. |
| 09:29.03 | max_posedon | oh... forget about it |
| 09:29.11 | PaulFertser | bipak_: do you have any relation to the bip software? |
| 09:29.11 | max_posedon | *I forgot* |
| 09:29.37 | bipak_ | aaaah sorry, lol. most people call me "bip" so i got confused :D |
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| 09:36.22 | Bert_2 | Disaster! openmoocow is still not working on shr-unstable |
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| 09:37.01 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: have you notified author that accelerometer interface changed 2 months ago? |
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| 09:37.25 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I should do that, I know, but it's just such a funny app :P |
| 09:38.16 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: i think i should install it on Debian. But with broken assumption about accels it's of no fun, i'm afraid. I hope it doesn't need OSS, does it? |
| 09:39.33 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: it's in the opkg repo's of SHR and it doesn't have any extra dependencies when installing it on the shr-unstable standard image (20090409) |
| 09:40.00 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: can it use alsa like any sane modern app or not? |
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| 09:40.40 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: atm it doesn't work at all, so I'm not sure :s |
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| 09:41.00 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: it shows the cow but tapping it or moving doesn't do anything |
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| 09:41.37 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: it should moo on tap so I'm going to check it |
| 09:42.23 | bipak_ | you could do an "ldd openmoocow" and see if it depends on alsa libs |
| 09:42.38 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: if you checked the source, it'd give you more detailed and accurate info. |
| 09:43.08 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I'm not really a coder so I don't think it'll make sense to me (I'm just a webdev) |
| 09:44.06 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: shame on you :p |
| 09:44.08 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: commandline output: "unable to ope audio: No available audio device" |
| 09:44.11 | Bert_2 | typical |
| 09:44.37 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I'm too lazy to learn C or C++, they'll teach me those in university after all :P |
| 09:44.44 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: do you have aoss installed? |
| 09:44.53 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: don't think so |
| 09:44.57 | Bert_2 | checks |
| 09:45.32 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: come to my institute to study, i'll teach you C ;) |
| 09:45.48 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: what institute ? |
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| 09:46.09 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: russian state technological university :D |
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| 09:46.44 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 09:46.48 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I guess that's a bit far |
| 09:47.13 | Bert_2 | PBeck: hi |
| 09:47.23 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: oss stuff I have installed: http://pastebin.ca/1390416 |
| 09:47.24 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: i'd like to go to study somewhere far. |
| 09:47.24 | PBeck | hi Bert_2 |
| 09:47.56 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: that's kernel module, i prefer userspace emulation. |
| 09:48.25 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: so you think I need to opkg install oss to get openmoocow to moo ? :P |
| 09:48.42 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: can you try to start it like "aoss openmoocow" ? |
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| 09:50.43 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: Error: ld.so: object '/usr/$LIB/libaoss.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignore and then the usual openmoocow erroring |
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| 09:53.32 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: got any idea what's going wrong ? |
| 09:54.32 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: aoss improperly installed. I guess it's a shell script and it doesn't find libaoss.so for whatever reason. |
| 09:57.12 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: openmoocow is written in what looks to em as C++ |
| 09:57.29 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I'm reading through the source right now, though I'm not understanding everything |
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| 09:59.15 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I think this does the audio stuff: http://pastebin.ca/1390421 |
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| 09:59.57 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: ow, I forgot to put audio_setup() in |
| 10:00.11 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: ok, i downloaded the source too. It uses SDL to emit sound. BTW, it's C, not C++. |
| 10:00.32 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: they look quite similar to me, because I don't know them that good |
| 10:00.44 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: can you see in the source what might be wrong ? |
| 10:01.00 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: probably you lack SDL alsa support? |
| 10:01.20 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: probably |
| 10:02.02 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I only have libsdl and libsdl-image installed, do I need libsdl-mixer then ? |
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| 10:02.48 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: and yes, accellerometers for freerunner do not EV_REL events anymore, as openmoocow expects, no wonder it doesn't work. |
| 10:03.04 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: (libsdl-mixer) probably, i don't know much about sdl. |
| 10:03.11 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: but it should also work on a tap |
| 10:03.28 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I'll poke the developer :P |
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| 10:04.25 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: try to install some relevant sdl library still. |
| 10:04.47 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I'm trying it out right now |
| 10:05.10 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: libsdl-mixer-1.2-0 depends on libvorbis and libmikmod so I guess we're good |
| 10:05.56 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: but it's still erroring |
| 10:12.01 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: in the modern kernel accell sysfs device node is not there where openmoocow expects to find it. For me it segfaults on start because of that. |
| 10:12.23 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: okey, so I should really poke the dev |
| 10:12.40 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I'm searching for contact info, it's hard to find :S |
| 10:12.49 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: it'd be more fun to fix it yourself. |
| 10:13.16 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I'm a PHP dev. I don't know anything about C or SDL :s |
| 10:13.54 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: i don't say the same when i face some PHP code |
| 10:14.42 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: how do you mean ? |
| 10:15.30 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: i mean when i for some reason need to understand php, i just do it :) |
| 10:17.08 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: I understand some C, but I'm totally not understanding the audio sdl stuff, it's like chaos to me |
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| 10:21.04 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: look here: http://git.bitwiz.org.uk/?p=openmoocow.git;a=summary |
| 10:22.05 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: what should I have a look at ? |
| 10:22.15 | PaulFertser | Bert_2: so with proper sdl libs installed and the latest version from git it will fully work, including accels. |
| 10:22.30 | Bert_2 | cool |
| 10:22.56 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: but to be honest I don't know a lot about git, how do I get it on my moko ? |
| 10:24.25 | Weiss | latest Git version of OpenMooCow knows about all the recent kernel changes |
| 10:24.37 | PaulFertser | Weiss: you're the man :) |
| 10:24.51 | Weiss | i think it's available in the SHR-unstable repository, but i don't think anything else has been updated |
| 10:25.06 | PaulFertser | Weiss: SHR-unstable uses the latest kernel |
| 10:25.06 | Weiss | i'm really thinking of rewriting its audio bits to use ALSA directly.. SDL seems to cause lots of problems :( |
| 10:25.14 | Bert_2 | Weiss: the one in the repo is having audio issues |
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| 10:25.35 | Weiss | hmm.. possible "modprobe snd-pcm-oss"? |
| 10:26.16 | Bert_2 | Weiss: awesome, that fixed the sound issue |
| 10:26.42 | Bert_2 | PaulFertser: the accelerometer stuff seems to work too now |
| 10:27.26 | Bert_2 | Weiss: modprobe, is that permanent or until the next reboot ? |
| 10:27.38 | max_posedon | Bert_2, until reboot |
| 10:27.51 | max_posedon | you shoul create file at /etc/modutils.d |
| 10:28.03 | max_posedon | and run modules-update(or update-modules) |
| 10:28.08 | max_posedon | look there for examples |
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| 10:28.41 | Weiss | it's nasty to have to do that, though :( |
| 10:28.44 | max_posedon | btw. I still doesn't understand why ppp-generic still don't added to autoload in shr |
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| 10:29.05 | Weiss | i wonder if the was SDL is built could be changed to do ALSA properly |
| 10:29.17 | methril|work | morning |
| 10:29.19 | Bert_2 | okey, it just stopped responding, just after I closed openmoocow and was trying to stop the terminal :S |
| 10:29.45 | Bert_2 | reboots FreeRunner |
| 10:29.50 | Weiss | there are some really weird SDL audio problems on Debian, as well |
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| 10:30.16 | Weiss | Bert_2: ick..did you successfully close OMC? |
| 10:30.31 | Bert_2 | Weiss: yes |
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| 10:33.09 | PaulFertser | Weiss: why do you suggest to load oss emulation? |
| 10:33.25 | Weiss | because SDL always seems to want to use OSS rather than ALSA |
| 10:33.26 | PaulFertser | Weiss: i thought SDL should be able to work with alsa. |
| 10:33.31 | Weiss | so did i ;( |
| 10:34.04 | Weiss | MooCow's audio parts are very simple.. they just ask SDL to find a suitable audio device and then let it squirt samples at it |
| 10:34.51 | PaulFertser | Weiss: i already read that. |
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| 10:39.37 | PaulFertser | Weiss: (SDL alsa support) it can be as simple as OE misconfiguration. |
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| 10:42.42 | Weiss | yeah, i suspect something like that |
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| 11:55.30 | eMBee | how do i get a keyboard to use the terminal on SHR? |
| 11:58.50 | PaulFertser | eMBee: bring upper enlightment panel, top right QWERTY button. |
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| 12:00.56 | eMBee | oh |
| 12:01.09 | eMBee | didn't look like a button to me :-) |
| 12:01.19 | eMBee | thanks |
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| 12:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | max_posedon: here's easter monday. No use in calling officials or business. I'll start to check things wrt that tomorrow |
| 12:13.13 | max_posedon | thanks, PaulFertser already said me about easter) |
| 12:16.43 | ndnihil | today is a holiday? |
| 12:17.01 | ndnihil | stabs religious freaks |
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| 12:58.00 | lindi- | eMBee: where? |
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| 12:59.02 | eMBee | sorry, for SHR |
| 12:59.28 | eMBee | can't find anything with opkg search |
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| 13:08.23 | lord-carlos | Does someone know a way to controll amarok2 or juk over ethernet with the openmoko? |
| 13:09.48 | eMBee | looks like mickeyterm is what i am looking for |
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| 13:11.21 | leinir | lord-carlos: i am not aware of one, but what you really need to be asking for is a remote MPRIS client :) |
| 13:11.47 | leinir | (since that is player agnostic, bigger target audience and such) |
| 13:12.33 | lord-carlos | what is MPRIS? |
| 13:13.22 | leinir | Media Player Remote Interfacing Specification :) |
| 13:13.32 | lord-carlos | ah ^^ |
| 13:13.34 | lord-carlos | ok |
| 13:13.38 | leinir | http://mpris.org/ |
| 13:13.47 | ndnihil | MultiPlayer RPG In Space!!! |
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| 13:14.08 | leinir | ndnihil: Your ideas intrigue me and i wish to subscribe your newsletter! ;) |
| 13:14.15 | ndnihil | :) |
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| 13:24.33 | Dave | LEINIR! |
| 13:24.57 | leinir | Eep! |
| 13:25.07 | leinir | prostrates itself before Dave "Sir" :) |
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| 13:29.40 | Dave | ;) |
| 13:29.43 | Dave | pets Leinir |
| 13:30.36 | leinir | purrrs :) |
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| 13:32.51 | Dave | ;) |
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| 16:20.48 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07specs * r7547d4099776 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:20.48 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: otapi: API breakage: the network code will change to string |
| 16:20.48 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: The reason is that the operatorcode consists of MCC and MNC and MNC |
| 16:20.48 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: can be two or three digits long. |
| 16:20.48 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: So int 1010 could either mean 010:10 or 001:10 and we can't really |
| 16:20.49 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: tell... |
| 16:20.51 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: This affects the following methods and signals: |
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| 16:43.20 | Chocks | bitches+Dave |
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| 16:50.17 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r6ebe8f358590 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/server.py: |
| 16:50.17 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix otimed GSMZoneSource |
| 16:50.17 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Convert mcc and mnc in GSM.Data.GetNetworkInfo lookup to int. Fixes |
| 16:50.17 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: GSM time zone changes which got broken by commit |
| 16:50.17 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: edbba5e161133c28cc41c96afb8d9ea98c46d3e0 |
| 16:50.21 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r72e147085d0f 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: ogsmd: Fix typo in logger string |
| 16:50.24 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r49ae8138679d 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/gsm/convert.py: ogsmd: GSM default codec now raises UnicodeError on errors |
| 16:50.27 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rde82fdffd96b 10/framework/subsystems/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 16:50.30 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd, otimed: Catch up with API changes (operator code is string now) |
| 16:50.32 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: This commit follows the API change that happened in the specs repository |
| 16:50.34 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: in commit 7547d409977666eebb5117e4fc837ec6f19a4553. |
| 16:50.36 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Warning, this might result in your apps breaking! |
| 16:50.38 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Especially apps like cell monitors might be affected |
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| 16:57.54 | slaxxer | wassup |
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| 16:59.05 | slaxxer | using shr lite on 3.2 kernel -unstable |
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| 17:18.41 | KungFuJesus | what is the distribution for the freerunner that has the best battery life and power management schemes? |
| 17:19.08 | lindi- | KungFuJesus: i don't think it depends much of the distro |
| 17:19.31 | KungFuJesus | well, it depends on the kernel I'm sure |
| 17:19.47 | KungFuJesus | I heard the power management issues were resolved, I'm wondering in what release did that happen? |
| 17:21.16 | lindi- | KungFuJesus: resolved? |
| 17:21.55 | KungFuJesus | meaning, the battery life is more than 3 hours |
| 17:22.04 | KungFuJesus | I've been given numbers as high as a day |
| 17:22.18 | lindi- | KungFuJesus: those were in suspend |
| 17:22.29 | max_posedon | KungFuJesus, all ditros trying to use same kernel |
| 17:22.39 | KungFuJesus | hmm, so on average what's the battery life? |
| 17:22.46 | KungFuJesus | idling |
| 17:22.48 | max_posedon | 48h in suspend |
| 17:23.12 | KungFuJesus | and "suspend mode" is still able to receive calls? |
| 17:23.26 | KungFuJesus | it's not suspend in the x86 sense, is it? |
| 17:23.55 | max_posedon | yes it able, and yes in suspend in x86 sense |
| 17:23.58 | max_posedon | (s2ram) |
| 17:24.05 | max_posedon | gsm chim just can wakeup system |
| 17:24.16 | KungFuJesus | ah I see |
| 17:24.43 | slaxxer | 4 seconds to desktop |
| 17:24.48 | lindi- | the proprietary operating system can attempt to wake up the system if it happens to be on a good mood |
| 17:24.50 | KungFuJesus | what is better, om 2008.12 or FDOM? |
| 17:24.56 | slaxxer | shr |
| 17:25.34 | slaxxer | 2008.12 from bytestore is a good 1 |
| 17:26.02 | slaxxer | as in usable stuff included |
| 17:26.16 | KungFuJesus | hmm, why is there no mail client for SHR? And will the mail clients available support PGP? |
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| 17:27.41 | max_posedon | also I just did simple test |
| 17:28.01 | max_posedon | disable suspend, disable dimming screen, set brightness to 50% |
| 17:28.25 | max_posedon | powerusage - 120mA -- neo can stay powered upto 10h |
| 17:28.34 | ndnihil | Kung: you can get the claws mail client from the repositories |
| 17:28.37 | slaxxer | even the lite shr current has those dang desktop settings icons |
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| 17:28.49 | ndnihil | there are also others, but I know claws works (on SHR testing) |
| 17:28.53 | max_posedon | KungFuJesus, I think it is good enough |
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| 17:30.03 | KungFuJesus | what does "functions after resume" mean? |
| 17:30.12 | KungFuJesus | in the table in the wiki here |
| 17:30.17 | KungFuJesus | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
| 17:30.37 | ndnihil | it means you can suspend it |
| 17:30.39 | ndnihil | then resume |
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| 17:30.41 | ndnihil | and it'll still work |
| 17:31.37 | KungFuJesus | well why in the world would FDOM develop a distribution that doesn't support that? |
| 17:31.41 | KungFuJesus | lol |
| 17:32.56 | max_posedon | KungFuJesus, you know, shit happens |
| 17:32.58 | shellevil | because it's not finished yet |
| 17:33.42 | KungFuJesus | hmm, FDOM looks really neat |
| 17:33.55 | KungFuJesus | but it's not practical if it can't resume after suspend |
| 17:34.15 | max_posedon | KungFuJesus, it depends on, I suggest you try all of them |
| 17:34.20 | KungFuJesus | it does seem to support GPRS though. Something that my network can do, albeit expensively and slowly |
| 17:34.33 | max_posedon | (qtextended, from, shr, android, etc....) |
| 17:35.05 | KungFuJesus | most of hte packages are cross platform for moko based OSes, right? |
| 17:35.20 | KungFuJesus | for example, tangoGPS? |
| 17:35.24 | max_posedon | yes |
| 17:35.29 | KungFuJesus | and Navit |
| 17:35.43 | KungFuJesus | android is evil, I really want to avoid it |
| 17:36.49 | eMBee | why is it evil? |
| 17:37.42 | KungFuJesus | it's google's way of taking a true open platform and then throwing billions of dollars at it so that openmoko can drown |
| 17:37.43 | max_posedon | eMBee, hm... because it doesn't connected to *nix, at all? |
| 17:38.25 | eMBee | max_posedon |
| 17:38.28 | eMBee | oops |
| 17:38.35 | KungFuJesus | and the whole store thing has me kind of pissed off, because that was why Openmoko was so much greater than the iPhone |
| 17:38.41 | eMBee | max_posedon: i don't call that evil but useless :-) |
| 17:39.16 | eMBee | considers trying android as soon as it supports ssh |
| 17:39.32 | KungFuJesus | well there's that |
| 17:39.44 | KungFuJesus | I may consider buying a bluetooth keyboard or USB keyboard for the open moko |
| 17:39.51 | plhardy | fact is taht android current terminal is very limited |
| 17:40.35 | plhardy | bluetooth migh be simpler than usb |
| 17:40.47 | KungFuJesus | likely |
| 17:40.48 | plhardy | usb would need an adapter no ? |
| 17:40.58 | KungFuJesus | think so, but I've heard of it being done |
| 17:41.19 | KungFuJesus | it would be kind of funny to carry a full size keyboard around for my phone, though |
| 17:41.22 | KungFuJesus | lol |
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| 17:41.44 | plhardy | i am still fighting to get my shr booting... i think i still didn't pass the -any moko sytem- exam |
| 17:41.54 | PaulFertser | KungFuJesus: no special usb adapter is needed, FR already has a fully-functional usb host which can supply power. |
| 17:42.11 | max_posedon | eMBee, just few things |
| 17:42.45 | max_posedon | 1. I don't know did you will able use AndroidStore or not (I think not, for same reason why G1Dev can't use it) |
| 17:42.51 | slaxxer | yup a whole dinky little battery full of power |
| 17:43.16 | KungFuJesus | how much are those reasonably sized bluetooth keyboards? |
| 17:43.29 | max_posedon | 2. they restrict installing some type of applications (for example one, what makes android work as wifi-access-point) |
| 17:43.47 | PaulFertser | KungFuJesus: in fact i'm going to finally build a cable for that this evening. |
| 17:44.12 | lindi- | PaulFertser: it should have been shipped with the Y cable :) |
| 17:44.17 | ndnihil | http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/ |
| 17:44.27 | eMBee | android is free software, right? so it would take a branch/fork to fix thise things |
| 17:44.27 | KungFuJesus | ndnihil: yeah, first result or two on google |
| 17:44.32 | eMBee | those |
| 17:44.39 | ndnihil | I'm tempted to get one |
| 17:44.49 | max_posedon | eMBee, I can, but I can' |
| 17:44.56 | ndnihil | it would go great with the stand I made for the FR |
| 17:44.57 | max_posedon | t write app, that other will use |
| 17:44.58 | PaulFertser | lindi-: in fact if i was given a choice between a Y-cable and a green card with Lao Tzi saying, i'd choose the later ;) |
| 17:44.59 | KungFuJesus | ndnihil: they can't be very usable |
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| 17:45.23 | ndnihil | it's bound to be better than using the on-screen keyboard |
| 17:45.28 | max_posedon | eMBee, e.g. it is non free, because I can't "share" my apps |
| 17:45.29 | ndnihil | and you save screen real-estate |
| 17:45.50 | KungFuJesus | is the onscreen keyboard that bad? |
| 17:45.54 | eMBee | max_posedon: huh? |
| 17:45.56 | ndnihil | it's just small |
| 17:46.09 | ndnihil | and takes up a good portion of an already small'ish screen |
| 17:46.11 | plhardy | and why not use another openmoko to do the keyboard for the first one :-) |
| 17:46.27 | KungFuJesus | lol, 300 dollars, it's only twice a bluetooth keyboard |
| 17:46.29 | max_posedon | eMBee, if you have G1, I'm not sure, that google will not restrict my app. |
| 17:46.48 | max_posedon | and I can't share you my app - no go |
| 17:47.00 | plhardy | you get a kinda strange nitendo ds with two openmoko interconnected :-) |
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| 17:47.36 | max_posedon | eMBee, android also has many problems from dev point of view |
| 17:47.55 | max_posedon | I can't use any other API, except that android gives me |
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| 17:51.13 | PaulFertser | bipak: /foreach server /reconnect |
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| 17:53.01 | KungFuJesus | hmm, void sounds enticing, is it usuable in 2008.11? |
| 17:53.01 | KungFuJesus | err .12 |
| 17:53.18 | max_posedon | KungFuJesus, don't ask, just try) |
| 17:54.18 | KungFuJesus | well, I need some sort of voip provider first. SIP trunking I've thought about doing for quite a while now with asterisk |
| 17:54.36 | KungFuJesus | is there skype support with any openmoko apps? |
| 17:56.03 | max_posedon | linphone is avaible for openmoko as I know |
| 17:56.17 | max_posedon | about skype - might be not |
| 17:56.42 | KungFuJesus | well I'm excited, it should ship soon :) |
| 17:56.45 | plhardy | shr booting ! i am happy |
| 17:57.58 | plhardy | language : choose one, when there is only one choice that could be skipped... |
| 17:58.16 | slaxxer | im moving back to the 20090325 shr-unstable |
| 17:58.23 | plhardy | profile : illume or illume_shr ? |
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| 17:58.41 | plhardy | i am on a shr, well, i will see with that one. |
| 17:59.24 | KungFuJesus | thanks for the feedback |
| 17:59.25 | KungFuJesus | later guys |
| 18:02.05 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r2cf4492d2e27 10/tests/dtest/ (README tests/sample.py): |
| 18:02.05 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: dtest: Make dbus test case actually work |
| 18:02.05 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: We need to import dbus... |
| 18:02.05 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: README now explains rough goals, usage, ... |
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| 18:04.35 | bipak | PaulFertser: unbelievable, irssi has for all a solution |
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| 18:05.53 | PaulFertser | bipak: and in case it doesn't have, it's a perl script as tweakable as any other :) |
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| 18:06.55 | KungFuJesus | /quit/quit |
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| 18:12.37 | bipak | PaulFertser: yeah, hehe |
| 18:13.37 | ndnihil | /quit |
| 18:14.03 | mwester | what is it today that is causing so much difficulty with /quit? :) |
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| 18:17.37 | badcloud | hey therez |
| 18:17.48 | badcloud | man, that sounded less lame in my head |
| 18:19.25 | SM2k | TheRez? |
| 18:19.40 | slaxxer | so what u got installed now badcloud?/ |
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| 18:20.49 | badcloud | 2008.12, mwester kernel |
| 18:21.11 | slaxxer | suspends an resumes? |
| 18:21.57 | badcloud | only after idle time, but it's a bit iffy |
| 18:22.14 | badcloud | kustomizer .4 without the auto rotate |
| 18:22.46 | slaxxer | yea that aggravating |
| 18:23.12 | badcloud | tell me about it |
| 18:23.12 | slaxxer | manual rotate is ok with me |
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| 18:25.24 | badcloud | what about you, slaxxer? |
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| 18:26.40 | slaxxer | just reinstalled shr unstable 20090325 on that newest kernel 3.2 |
| 18:27.14 | slaxxer | att was up as soon as the desktop appeared |
| 18:27.48 | slaxxer | rebooting to check again |
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| 18:41.23 | badcloud | how's it running, slaxxer? |
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| 18:43.18 | slaxxer | no usb had to change kernel |
| 18:43.35 | badcloud | nuts |
| 18:43.37 | slaxxer | wouldnt charge on usb either |
| 18:43.41 | badcloud | to which kernel? |
| 18:44.02 | slaxxer | i am using latest.bin now |
| 18:44.26 | badcloud | good luck |
| 18:44.35 | slaxxer | bot the 3.2 or 3.1 |
| 18:44.36 | badcloud | I'm gonna put my faith into 2008.12 |
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| 18:44.57 | badcloud | what did you use before (distro) |
| 18:44.59 | badcloud | ? |
| 18:45.03 | slaxxer | its ok but shr suspends great |
| 18:45.16 | slaxxer | an resumes |
| 18:45.24 | badcloud | that's true |
| 18:45.30 | slaxxer | 2008.12 bytestore |
| 18:45.32 | badcloud | but it's so godawfully slow |
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| 18:45.55 | Dave | pulls Leinir's tail |
| 18:45.59 | badcloud | (not the resume) |
| 18:46.00 | ndnihil | its faster than FDOM |
| 18:46.05 | ndnihil | by orders of magnitude |
| 18:46.12 | slaxxer | yes but if i dont have to reboot its not so slow |
| 18:46.20 | badcloud | how did '08.12 run with bytestore? |
| 18:46.25 | badcloud | touche |
| 18:46.37 | slaxxer | yes |
| 18:46.39 | badcloud | where did it go wrong? |
| 18:46.41 | leinir | meeps! and pulls it away, holds it to its chest "Nuh, why you pull my tail?!" ;) |
| 18:47.05 | slaxxer | dave now has claws in his head |
| 18:47.15 | Dave | >:) |
| 18:47.23 | badcloud | Dave |
| 18:47.28 | ndnihil | DOH |
| 18:47.33 | ndnihil | that's why gprs wasnt working |
| 18:47.46 | ndnihil | reinstalling fso-settings overwrote my settings |
| 18:47.46 | slaxxer | well its a jffs2 file not the kustomizer |
| 18:48.04 | badcloud | slaxxer, what wasn't good under bytestore? |
| 18:48.43 | slaxxer | it was ok |
| 18:49.23 | slaxxer | for beta |
| 18:50.03 | Dave | hei badcloud :] |
| 18:50.06 | badcloud | well, it feels like it's going to be a while until something truly stable equally functional will be released |
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| 18:50.21 | Dave | STABLE!? hvor!? |
| 18:50.41 | badcloud | hahah |
| 18:50.48 | badcloud | DOWN, Dave, DOWN |
| 18:50.53 | Dave | :P |
| 18:52.02 | slaxxer | debian is looking good |
| 18:52.24 | badcloud | on my "todo" list |
| 18:52.35 | badcloud | but I heard it doesn't handle well as a phone |
| 18:53.28 | slaxxer | making big strides |
| 18:53.30 | lindi- | badcloud: it's all about the apps you run |
| 18:53.50 | badcloud | not for me. I need a phone |
| 18:54.01 | badcloud | a phonetoy, perhaps, but not a toyphone |
| 18:54.02 | slaxxer | it works as a phone |
| 18:54.12 | badcloud | well, slaxxer? |
| 18:54.15 | lindi- | badcloud: by phone you mean reliability? |
| 18:54.24 | badcloud | yes |
| 18:54.30 | lindi- | badcloud: that's where i am aiming too |
| 18:54.41 | badcloud | with shr, I don't get sms's unless they're sent when the device is on |
| 18:54.46 | lindi- | badcloud: i only use ogsmd from frameworkd so that I avoid potential bugs in their other parts |
| 18:54.54 | badcloud | with 2008.12, suspend is a mess |
| 18:54.56 | slaxxer | only problem i had was battery life |
| 18:56.00 | slaxxer | but i dont sms:) |
| 18:56.20 | badcloud | yeah, I can anticipate battery trouble now |
| 18:56.37 | badcloud | I've been vacationing, so my device has been plugged in for the past week |
| 18:57.04 | slaxxer | i had 3 batteries an lost 1 then 1 went bad |
| 18:58.00 | badcloud | how did that happen? |
| 18:58.27 | badcloud | lindi-, is there an easy way to do that? |
| 18:59.27 | lindi- | badcloud: yep |
| 19:00.13 | badcloud | ? |
| 19:01.52 | lindi- | badcloud: frameworkd -s ogsmd |
| 19:02.06 | badcloud | hmmm |
| 19:02.09 | badcloud | I'll try that out |
| 19:03.14 | lindi- | badcloud: of course you need a dialer that does not want to use your GPS :) |
| 19:03.42 | badcloud | I think I'll just stick to what 2008.12 provides by default |
| 19:03.55 | lindi- | badcloud: it uses qtopia? |
| 19:04.01 | badcloud | yeah |
| 19:04.06 | badcloud | it's pretty good actaully |
| 19:04.19 | lindi- | badcloud: afaik they have not worked much for the bugs of calypso |
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| 19:05.09 | ndnihil | you know what this phone could use |
| 19:05.27 | slaxxer | a new image? |
| 19:05.35 | ndnihil | DNS caching |
| 19:05.37 | badcloud | a hardware keyboard like those slider phones? |
| 19:06.02 | shellevil | Decent software voice recognition. |
| 19:06.19 | shellevil | s/voice recognition// |
| 19:06.21 | ndnihil | I'm getting 4.5s average lookup |
| 19:06.26 | badcloud | I'm not sure it has the power for that, shellevil |
| 19:06.39 | ndnihil | and doing that for each request sucks |
| 19:06.39 | shellevil | badcloud: course it does. |
| 19:06.40 | lindi- | ndnihil: apt-get install nscd? |
| 19:06.59 | ndnihil | lindi-: was just looking for that, though I've not got apt on the phone |
| 19:07.05 | shellevil | badcloud: Pentium 100 IIRC I ran dragondictate on, and it was OK |
| 19:07.10 | shellevil | badcloud: not ideal of course |
| 19:07.31 | badcloud | ok, cool |
| 19:07.47 | badcloud | how about ftp client? anyone managed to use one on it? |
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| 19:07.59 | badcloud | sftp always threw me out of console mode |
| 19:08.02 | Defiant | xterm -e ftp |
| 19:09.16 | badcloud | don't remember ftp being in /bin or /usr/sbin |
| 19:09.22 | slaxxer | http://pastebin.com/m4144334 |
| 19:09.34 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.59 | badcloud | well, gotta go |
| 19:10.06 | badcloud | I'll be back to bitch later |
| 19:10.19 | slaxxer | seeya |
| 19:11.24 | shellevil | vibrator radio |
| 19:11.26 | shellevil | oops |
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| 19:18.01 | rjune_ | I was recently given a Neo1973, I'm having problems turning it on. |
| 19:18.15 | lindi- | rjune_: empty battery? can you measure it? |
| 19:18.18 | rjune_ | The power is currently off, when I press the power button on the side, nothing happens |
| 19:18.30 | rjune_ | lindi-, it turned on earlier today. |
| 19:18.44 | rjune_ | I turned it off a little while ago, but now it's not turning back on. |
| 19:18.53 | rjune_ | I can put a multimeter on the battery |
| 19:18.55 | lindi- | rjune_: sounds very much like empty battery |
| 19:19.17 | rjune_ | I was not given a charger to go with it. |
| 19:19.48 | rjune_ | I picked up a wall charger for moto razr/blackberry pearl and curve |
| 19:20.27 | rjune_ | I just need to measure voltage across + an - on the battery, right? I don't need to worry about the TH lead? |
| 19:20.30 | lindi- | rjune_: you can charge from PC too |
| 19:20.39 | lindi- | rjune_: yes, + and - |
| 19:20.43 | rjune_ | brb |
| 19:20.46 | mmontour | rjune_: disconnect USB cable and remove battery, wait 10 seconds, replace battery, plug in USB, wait an hour or so without pressing any buttons. The phone will charge the battery at 100mA |
| 19:21.09 | lindi- | mmontour: with neo1973? |
| 19:21.15 | mmontour | Yes |
| 19:21.55 | rjune_ | battery reads 3.4 volts |
| 19:22.28 | slaxxer | a tomtom charger works great |
| 19:22.41 | lindi- | 3.4 sounds quite empty, doesn't it? |
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| 19:22.47 | lindi- | it's 4.1 here or something |
| 19:22.54 | slaxxer | hold the power button for 10 seconds |
| 19:22.57 | mmontour | 3.4V sounds OK |
| 19:23.06 | rjune_ | battery says 3.7V on it, so I didn't think it was bad |
| 19:23.30 | lindi- | $ cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/voltage_now |
| 19:23.31 | lindi- | 4163000 |
| 19:23.39 | lindi- | is sysfs wrong or is my battery really in over-voltage? ;) |
| 19:23.45 | rjune_ | *sigh* fired up at the count of two that time. |
| 19:23.55 | slaxxer | lol |
| 19:24.16 | slaxxer | crackers in the ower button? |
| 19:24.30 | mmontour | Fully-charged is 4.2V, the low-battery threshold is somewhere around 2.8V |
| 19:24.31 | rjune_ | don't think so. |
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| 19:24.56 | rjune_ | ok, the gold and black splash screen indicates the default OS image, right? |
| 19:25.15 | mmontour | The first splashscreen is from the u-boot bootloader |
| 19:27.14 | sandsmark | I'm trying to boot 2008.12 from the SD card, and it just hangs after configuring the network interface |
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| 19:28.07 | sandsmark | (a single line saying âdone.â |
| 19:28.17 | sandsmark | ) |
| 19:28.32 | sandsmark | where can I see the default order of the stuff that's supposed to be starting? |
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| 19:40.15 | plhardy | many programs of my shr just segfault, like terminal, Mofi, take snap shot, in fact just few works like tangoGPS |
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| 19:40.45 | PaulFertser | plhardy: tried getting a backtrace? |
| 19:41.17 | plhardy | well, strace didn't help a lot, last call is a getimeofday |
| 19:41.52 | sandsmark | can Qi boot from the SD card? |
| 19:42.05 | PaulFertser | plhardy: just start it under gdb |
| 19:42.18 | PaulFertser | plhardy: and do "bt full" after it crashes |
| 19:42.47 | PaulFertser | sandsmark: freerunner can only boot any bootloader from NAND. And Qi can fetch and boot kernel from uSD. |
| 19:43.13 | sandsmark | but can I select where to boot from in Qi? |
| 19:43.42 | PaulFertser | sandsmark: you can skip a boot possibility by pressing AUX at appropriate time. |
| 19:44.00 | plhardy | PaulFertser: well, how do i get gdb ? |
| 19:44.05 | sandsmark | PaulFertser: in Qi too? |
| 19:44.17 | sandsmark | under limitations for qi in the wiki it says: âno boot menuâ |
| 19:44.19 | PaulFertser | plhardy: opkg install? |
| 19:44.26 | lindi- | sandsmark: it is no boot menu |
| 19:44.30 | PaulFertser | sandsmark: do you need menu to press AUX? |
| 19:44.35 | plhardy | there is no gdb in list of packages |
| 19:44.47 | sandsmark | PaulFertser: to âskip a possibilityâ |
| 19:44.49 | PaulFertser | plhardy: someone with more SHR knowledge will tell you where to get it. |
| 19:45.10 | PaulFertser | sandsmark: you press aux, Qi skips partition. No menu. |
| 19:45.14 | plhardy | since is installed it on uSD, there is perhaps some things missings |
| 19:45.19 | sandsmark | PaulFertser: ah, ok |
| 19:45.25 | sandsmark | PaulFertser: thanks :) |
| 19:45.47 | PaulFertser | plhardy: i don't think it changes anything. |
| 19:46.29 | plhardy | for a sigfault i am suprised too, on other system sdcard was expect to be found for some data partitions |
| 19:47.02 | plhardy | even media/card is well mounted on first sdcard vfat partition |
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| 19:48.05 | rjune_ | Uhm, would trying to enable gsm without a sim card cause the phone to crash? |
| 19:48.28 | ndnihil | try it and find out :) |
| 19:48.41 | rjune_ | I did, the phone went blank |
| 19:48.52 | rjune_ | and now the godforsaken thing doesn't want to turn on again. |
| 19:48.54 | ndnihil | sure it didnt suspend? |
| 19:48.55 | rjune_ | *ARG* |
| 19:48.59 | rjune_ | no. |
| 19:49.04 | ndnihil | give a quick push to the power button |
| 19:49.07 | rjune_ | did that |
| 19:49.09 | ndnihil | 1s or so |
| 19:49.10 | rjune_ | no response |
| 19:49.13 | plhardy | at least om2008.12 & android boot & works withotout sim card |
| 19:49.14 | ndnihil | oh |
| 19:49.16 | rjune_ | did for 5s |
| 19:49.20 | ndnihil | try for 1s |
| 19:49.27 | ndnihil | exactly |
| 19:49.31 | rjune_ | plhardy, it boots just fine |
| 19:49.33 | ndnihil | not a nanosecond more, not a nanosecond less |
| 19:49.35 | ndnihil | :) |
| 19:49.47 | rjune_ | I selected enable gsm from the toolbar and it went *bloop* |
| 19:49.52 | ndnihil | doh |
| 19:49.57 | ndnihil | pop the battery out? |
| 19:49.58 | rjune_ | I added the sounds for dramatic effect |
| 19:50.01 | rjune_ | I did |
| 19:50.04 | rjune_ | for 1 minute |
| 19:50.06 | ndnihil | and it wont boot? |
| 19:50.11 | rjune_ | then put back in, and it don't want to boot |
| 19:50.16 | ndnihil | wow |
| 19:50.43 | ndnihil | hold it for 10s? |
| 19:50.47 | ndnihil | then 15s |
| 19:50.48 | ndnihil | then 20s |
| 19:51.32 | plhardy | then pray ... you never now it might help... |
| 19:51.38 | ndnihil | not sure how software crash would render it unbootable |
| 19:51.41 | ndnihil | seems a bit odd |
| 19:51.57 | ndnihil | can you get to uboot menu? |
| 19:51.58 | mmontour | rjune_: Check the battery voltage again |
| 19:52.03 | ndnihil | hold aux then press power |
| 19:52.16 | sandsmark | is it normal for the usb terminal to suddenly just hang? |
| 19:52.24 | plhardy | usually when it start to ennoy me and not restart it ends up with a battery removal... |
| 19:52.33 | sandsmark | (when connecting to uboot, with screen) |
| 19:56.16 | wurp2|gone | sandsmark: I highly recommend neocon for connecting to uboot, rather than screen |
| 19:56.23 | sandsmark | ah, ok |
| 19:56.54 | wurp2|gone | For one thing, you can paste into it and it will send the characters slow enough for the console to handle |
| 19:57.03 | sandsmark | it almost looked like some baud mismastch or something |
| 19:57.04 | sandsmark | kk |
| 19:57.08 | wurp2|gone | It also handles disconnections & reconnections nicely |
| 19:57.30 | wurp2|gone | Anyone know of a good recent kernel build for gta01? |
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| 20:00.14 | sandsmark | hmm, is it possible to boot android from the SD card, easily? |
| 20:00.45 | rjune_ | mmontour, I did, 3.1v |
| 20:01.22 | sandsmark | ah, yeah, never mind me :P |
| 20:02.14 | plhardy | sandsmark: android works well on sdcard |
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| 20:02.29 | sandsmark | plhardy: I just didn't scroll far enough down in the wiki :) |
| 20:02.46 | rjune_ | mmontour, at least that's what it was, It's 3.3v nwo |
| 20:04.19 | mmontour | rjune_: I would slow-charge the battery for a while (the procedure I posted earlier), then boot into Linux and charge it at 500mA |
| 20:04.56 | rjune_ | yeah |
| 20:05.43 | mmontour | The GSM chipset is connected directly to the battery, and it will draw a large amount of current when transmitting |
| 20:06.00 | rjune_ | I believe that |
| 20:06.13 | plhardy | i just add mount data partitoin and create some data directories but it worked. |
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| 20:15.12 | lindi- | mmontour: why not start 500mA charging from the boot loader already? |
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| 20:17.05 | shellevil | because to do it properly the bootloader has to check it can charge at 500mA |
| 20:17.20 | shellevil | Which involves enumerating to the host, and getting it to configure us |
| 20:17.22 | sandsmark | isn't block2mtd in kernel 2.6.29? |
| 20:17.26 | mmontour | lindi-: he'll need to charge the battery a bit before he can even get to the bootloader. |
| 20:17.40 | lindi- | sandsmark: but i don't do that with my external usb battery either since it does not talk usb |
| 20:17.48 | mmontour | Also, booting to Linux lets you monitor the voltage etc. to make sure that it is charging properly |
| 20:17.50 | shellevil | And at 3.1V it probably won't boot linux |
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| 20:19.10 | Dave | worked for me |
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| 20:21.14 | plhardy | last time i got stuck with an empty battery i used my PC usb cable as power ( didn't work with power adapter ) and i removed and reintroduced the battery while maintaining buttons Aux & power , it booted... |
| 20:22.15 | PaulFertser | plhardy: i can confirm that i can boot to nor u-boot without battery whatsoever most of the time. |
| 20:22.15 | plhardy | i was on the edge to buy an external battery cahger or something like that. |
| 20:22.23 | lindi- | mmontour: you as in user? |
| 20:22.42 | shellevil | PaulFertser: wasn |
| 20:23.00 | shellevil | t there a patch or something to get it to boot fully most of the time on 100mA@5 |
| 20:23.09 | sandsmark | what is the âcupcakeâ releases of android? |
| 20:24.06 | mmontour | plhardy: rjune_ has a Neo1973, and low-battery handling is a bit different from the Freerunner |
| 20:24.11 | PaulFertser | shellevil: to the best of my knowledge, nobody has actually tried it. That is, Qi boots fine whithin 100mA constraint, then kernel starts to boot and dies on turning on backlight. My speculation is that it can be booted if backlight activation is patched out. |
| 20:24.52 | shellevil | Glamo off too'd be nice |
| 20:24.59 | shellevil | in principle |
| 20:25.07 | shellevil | Oh |
| 20:25.07 | PaulFertser | shellevil: no, Qi boots kernel from uSD |
| 20:25.10 | shellevil | that menas no SD |
| 20:25.14 | PaulFertser | :) |
| 20:25.24 | shellevil | shakes fist at cruel universe. |
| 20:25.54 | mwester | stomps on the cruel universe. |
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| 20:26.44 | PaulFertser | shellevil: and i guess that if one tries to draw like 400mA from a conventional PC motherboard without enumeration, it won't be cut off. |
| 20:26.57 | shellevil | generallynot |
| 20:26.58 | PaulFertser | s/it/he/ |
| 20:27.34 | shellevil | unless you're plugged into a laptop with other stuff forex, and it actually does trip the sometimes somewhat more sensitive current limit |
| 20:27.43 | PaulFertser | shellevil: have you tried it? I understand that it's wrong, standard-violating etc, but still? |
| 20:27.47 | shellevil | In the sole device case, there is no risk at all |
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| 20:28.14 | shellevil | As I understand it no normal motherboards will trip off at under 700mA-1A current. |
| 20:28.50 | lindi- | they should cleanly handle it |
| 20:29.03 | shellevil | Some laptops might - if you try to draw >500mA - I know I have one that disables the port if you try to draw 700mA or so |
| 20:29.18 | shellevil | (and linux can't reenable it, which is annoying) |
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| 20:30.38 | KungFuJesus | hello, I live in the US, is there any reason to buy the 850 over the 900? |
| 20:30.48 | KungFuJesus | my GSM provide claims to be GSM1900 |
| 20:30.52 | shellevil | (the case with an unpwererd hub, with a foo plugged in, and you plug in theFR) |
| 20:31.04 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03onen.om 07specs * re0929240b79b 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:31.05 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: otapi: Clearify meaning of the "code" string, what is MCC, what MNC |
| 20:31.05 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: as stated in our IRC conversation, I think this would help future |
| 20:31.05 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: developers to have a more precise description of the 'code' string in |
| 20:31.05 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.GetStatus() and so on, following your |
| 20:31.07 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: last changes which changed the API. |
| 20:31.07 | shellevil | KungFuJesus: if your provider _never_ uses 850, then not compelling |
| 20:31.27 | shellevil | KungFuJesus: but you will be limited in future to not switching providers |
| 20:31.32 | KungFuJesus | when might it use 850? For reception reasons? Battery life? |
| 20:31.39 | shellevil | OTOH - you can move to france. |
| 20:31.40 | mwester | There are only two GSM providers, and both require 850. |
| 20:31.54 | shellevil | KungFuJesus: some towers use 850 |
| 20:31.58 | mwester | 850 is used whenever maximum range from the cell tower is needed |
| 20:32.11 | KungFuJesus | dohhh |
| 20:32.13 | mwester | So if you never leave the center of a large city, you may never use 850. |
| 20:32.25 | KungFuJesus | but otherwise 850 is necessary? |
| 20:32.25 | shellevil | 850 gets better range into buildings too on fringes of coverage |
| 20:32.50 | shellevil | look at your coverage map, you may be able to find an 850 footprint |
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| 20:33.34 | KungFuJesus | where is my coverage map? The page on the link doesn't give a very good one |
| 20:33.38 | shellevil | dunno |
| 20:33.59 | shellevil | I recall finding one whne I looked at t-mobile(?) coverage in the states - but I don't care. |
| 20:34.06 | mwester | The 850 footprint maps are really quite interesting, very neat patterns -- not only the city centers, but you can see little "fingers" of 850 coverage going out along dense high-traffic areas, such as expresways near cities, and some commuter rail corridors. |
| 20:34.08 | shellevil | As I'm somewhat out of range. |
| 20:34.41 | KungFuJesus | I'm cincinnati bell http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml |
| 20:34.47 | unknown_lamer | does t-mo require 850? |
| 20:34.49 | KungFuJesus | again, there is no "850" specified |
| 20:34.58 | KungFuJesus | so is there any reason I should get the 850? |
| 20:35.14 | unknown_lamer | ISTR all of t-mo's native network was 1900 with only roaming in remote areas on regional 850 operators |
| 20:35.39 | unknown_lamer | at least on the east coast I've had no problems with my 1900/1800/900 phone |
| 20:36.07 | KungFuJesus | ah man, so locally there's no biggy, but if I'm in roaming I'm going to want the 850 |
| 20:36.29 | mwester | If you leave the city center, you may need 850. |
| 20:36.43 | mwester | If you can see a cow, then you WILL need 850. :) |
| 20:36.52 | KungFuJesus | lol |
| 20:37.05 | KungFuJesus | gah, yeah nobody in the US seems to use 900 MHZ |
| 20:37.24 | mjr | KungFuJesus, ...because it's reserved for non-gsm use there |
| 20:37.26 | KungFuJesus | how hard would it be to cancel my order and order a 900 mhz version today? |
| 20:37.29 | mmontour | The only reason to buy a 900 is if you will travel to a part of the world that uses it. |
| 20:37.33 | mwester | 900MHz in the US was allocated to other purposes before GSM was invented, in the US. |
| 20:37.40 | PaulFertser | shellevil: btw, would it be cool if Qi could enable 1A charge if it sees 47kOhm R from wall-charger? |
| 20:37.50 | shellevil | http://www.nickscipio.com/pod/media/2009/04/peepshow.jpg |
| 20:37.52 | shellevil | oops |
| 20:37.58 | shellevil | PaulFertser: very |
| 20:37.58 | mwester | oh dear. |
| 20:38.29 | shellevil | Mispaste - title is 'the day after easter' |
| 20:38.40 | mwester | For a low, low price, /me might be convinced to send an 850MHz gta02. |
| 20:38.41 | shellevil | (easter bunnies) - not particularly worksafe |
| 20:39.14 | KungFuJesus | mwester: what do you mean? |
| 20:39.49 | KungFuJesus | mine hasn't been shipped yet |
| 20:40.15 | mwester | Not sure if you are looking for a new unit, or a used gta02; I happen to have a used one here that I've been thinking about eBaying (no need for two Freerunners anymore) |
| 20:40.39 | sandsmark | something is creating a âfakeâ dfu, any idea what it can be?: Found Runtime: [0x0a5c:0x2101] devnum=2, cfg=0, intf=3, alt=0, name="UNDEFINED" |
| 20:41.09 | mmontour | probably a bluetooth adapter |
| 20:41.32 | sandsmark | hmm, ok |
| 20:42.36 | sandsmark | hmm, I stopped the bluetooth services, and unloaded all bluetooth-related modules, but it still shows up |
| 20:43.26 | KungFuJesus | ahh, looking for a new one |
| 20:43.41 | KungFuJesus | meh, I do have an 850 phone I could use for the ocassion I'm traveling somewhere remote in the US |
| 20:43.53 | PaulFertser | sandsmark: it can be still connected to the usb :) |
| 20:44.03 | sandsmark | PaulFertser: well, it's built in, so kind of hard to remove :p |
| 20:44.16 | shellevil | sandsmark: scissors would work |
| 20:44.19 | sandsmark | :P |
| 20:44.22 | PaulFertser | sandsmark: why do you care about it? Just supply vid/pid you need to dfu-util :) |
| 20:44.35 | sandsmark | PaulFertser: heh, ok, but that would be admitting defeat! :p |
| 20:44.47 | PaulFertser | sandsmark: do you have some hardware bluetooth switch? |
| 20:44.57 | sandsmark | PaulFertser: just combined with the wifi switch |
| 20:45.11 | sandsmark | (and there's some sw switch too, but I haven't looked into making it work from linux) |
| 20:45.49 | PaulFertser | I guess there is some way to disable any usb device from userspace, but i don't have an idea how to practically do that. |
| 20:46.17 | lord-carlos | Does NeoPwn cost 99$ ? |
| 20:46.39 | lord-carlos | How can they sell something based on debian? |
| 20:46.57 | sandsmark | lord-carlos: ask redhat or trolltech :p |
| 20:47.09 | sandsmark | (not based on debian, but based on free software :P) |
| 20:47.24 | lord-carlos | yes, they sell support |
| 20:47.42 | lord-carlos | but you can download and install redhat for free, or not? |
| 20:47.45 | sandsmark | no |
| 20:47.51 | sandsmark | you can only download the source for free |
| 20:48.31 | lord-carlos | indeed |
| 20:48.53 | lord-carlos | Does someone know where i can download the neopwn source? |
| 20:49.15 | lord-carlos | But maybe its easyer to download debian and install the apps by myself |
| 20:49.27 | ndnihil | you asked this the other day |
| 20:49.37 | ndnihil | I think they want you to pay for neopwn |
| 20:49.54 | ndnihil | which is kinda dumb, all I saw of it was it being a collection of open source tools |
| 20:50.17 | PaulFertser | Don't they also include a suitable usb wlan card? |
| 20:50.23 | lord-carlos | [22:49] <ndnihil> you asked this the other day <-- What? No i did not |
| 20:50.50 | lord-carlos | PaulFertser: they sell only the OS for 99$ |
| 20:50.58 | sandsmark | hmm, I installed Qi, or so I thought, but then u-boot shows up |
| 20:51.30 | sandsmark | I should just have to run dfu-util? |
| 20:51.39 | sandsmark | âstate(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is presentâ |
| 20:51.46 | PaulFertser | sandsmark: are you sure you're booting from NAND (not NOR)? |
| 20:51.51 | sandsmark | ah |
| 20:52.18 | sandsmark | yay, I has android :) |
| 20:52.27 | PaulFertser | oh no |
| 20:52.51 | sandsmark | what? only on my sd card :-P |
| 20:53.06 | ndnihil | carlos: might have been someone else |
| 20:53.13 | sandsmark | a friend of mine who works at google showed me how awesome it was, so I had to try for myself :-P |
| 20:53.14 | PaulFertser | Your FR is tainted from now on. |
| 20:53.23 | sandsmark | hehehe |
| 20:53.34 | ndnihil | huh huh huh, he said taint |
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| 20:55.52 | sandsmark | well, that was awesome, it doesn't react to my clicks :< |
| 20:58.06 | sandsmark | ... and holding down the power button doesn't do anything. But the clock works! |
| 21:06.00 | sandsmark | anyone else gotten android to work here? |
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| 21:11.43 | max_posedon | sandsmark, this is android-haters channel, visit #freerunner-android |
| 21:11.49 | sandsmark | ah, ok :) |
| 21:12.44 | ndnihil | yells "sellout!" and throws a tomato at sandsmark |
| 21:12.58 | sandsmark | pfffff, I must know what I choose away :p |
| 21:13.12 | sandsmark | and they have prettier icons! :P |
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| 21:46.41 | ndnihil | heh |
| 21:46.53 | ndnihil | found another bug |
| 21:47.13 | ndnihil | in SHR testing at any rate |
| 21:48.19 | ndnihil | send an SMS to 1234561234@your.providers.txtmsg.tld, and the address shows up in the SMS app as 10101010101 or similar |
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| 21:54.58 | ndnihil | oooh |
| 21:55.16 | ndnihil | and it splits an emailed message into 5+ different messages |
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| 22:10.42 | frankS2 | hm |
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| 22:13.29 | Sharwin_F | ndnihil, it happens whenever you receive a long message (more than 150-160 chars aprox) :) |
| 22:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | WTF is sandsmark? |
| 22:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | ahh, sorry |
| 22:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | ;) |
| 22:15.59 | sandsmark | I'm crazy |
| 22:16.02 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind |
| 22:16.13 | sandsmark | :D |
| 22:16.22 | DocScrutinizer | I read "tomato & sandsmark" |
| 22:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | not even looking at the nicks |
| 22:16.51 | sandsmark | :P |
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| 22:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | Sharwin_F: isn't an SMS limited to ~160 chars anbyway? ;P |
| 22:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | ok, still you don't need to split it to 5+ parts. But maybe to 2 at least |
| 22:20.04 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless that's done by sender of SMS, not on receiving terminal |
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| 22:23.10 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: so you tracked down the bug to a point where you could tell the expected behavior? Maybe even come up with an example of a different implementation doing it right? |
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| 22:39.54 | sandsmark | the boot just hangs, right after the kernel, it seems |
| 22:39.58 | sandsmark | any pointers on how to debug? |
| 22:40.37 | sandsmark | (I'm trying to use 2008.12) |
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| 22:57.12 | sandsmark | eh, now it tries ext4? |
| 22:57.13 | sandsmark | wtf |
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| 23:18.37 | sandsmark | eh, the latest fso snapshot doesn't seem to have wireless drivers :< |
| 23:23.48 | max_posedon | sandsmark, are you sure? may be you just need enable wifi resource[power on it]? |
| 23:24.18 | sandsmark | root@om-gta02:~# ifconfig -a | grep -q eth0 || echo "no wifi for you" |
| 23:24.18 | sandsmark | no wifi for you |
| 23:24.30 | sandsmark | there's lo, pan0 and usb0 |
| 23:24.54 | sandsmark | exactly which wireless chip is in it? |
| 23:26.11 | max_posedon | sandsmark, you will not see eth0 in ifconfig -a |
| 23:26.23 | max_posedon | until you power on wifi chip |
| 23:27.24 | max_posedon | mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.odeviced /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerControl/WiFi org.freesmartphone.Resource.Enable |
| 23:27.38 | sandsmark | heh, thanks :) |
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| 23:47.05 | sandsmark | hmm, is there a pre-compiled version of the mplayer with the glamo patches available? |
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| 23:50.39 | sandsmark | meh, I should get back to my spacetrader port :D |
| 23:58.29 | lord-carlos | damn .. debian on openMoko is slow :D |
| 23:59.33 | sandsmark | :P |
