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04:15.21 | kinneh | <PROTECTED> |
04:16.05 | kinneh | is it still true that the performance is worse when booting from sd ? |
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04:21.20 | re-peat | kinneh: you could test the write speeds of both mount points like "time dd if=/dev/zero of=./testlocation.file bs=1024 count=1024" |
04:22.23 | re-peat | but if i remember correctly uSD is slower than flash |
04:23.10 | kinneh | ok |
04:24.46 | re-peat | pluss that doesnt measure read speed but i'd think they are relevent |
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06:19.19 | b0ef | was there some application daemon that could send gps data over the network. I'd like to run some gps software on my laptop and access the freerunners' gps data |
06:21.54 | b0ef | ah, right, found an example using netcat |
06:24.49 | cjb_ie | tangogps will also do it |
06:25.05 | cjb_ie | dunno if it's been ported though |
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06:52.59 | ecloud | that's gpsd's main purpose |
06:53.07 | ecloud | clients connect to it via socket |
06:54.02 | cjb_ie | ecloud: well, it defaults to only allowing connections from localhost; and many, many cellcos don't assign a routable IP to phones |
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08:09.24 | create_vibe | hello |
08:09.35 | create_vibe | can someone help me get an internet connection to my neo over usb? |
08:09.46 | create_vibe | I'm running ubuntu 8.10 |
08:10.04 | create_vibe | latest build on the neo, afaik |
08:10.40 | create_vibe | I have ssh'd into the neo |
08:14.27 | create_vibe | oh, I got it |
08:14.29 | create_vibe | sweet |
08:15.21 | ndnihil | get it going? |
08:15.45 | ndnihil | has an earthsplitting headache |
08:15.51 | ndnihil | fucking migranes |
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08:16.05 | create_vibe | ya, I had to set up masquerading on my ubuntu |
08:17.58 | ndnihil | just got your phone recently I take it? |
08:18.12 | create_vibe | well, I got it a while back, but I can't it to recognize the SIM |
08:18.16 | create_vibe | so I haven't messed with it |
08:18.18 | ndnihil | ah |
08:18.24 | create_vibe | I just found the debian install script, so I wanted to install that |
08:18.30 | ndnihil | you checked the wiki for sim compatibility? |
08:18.31 | create_vibe | but I couldn't get the internet going |
08:18.37 | create_vibe | ya, it says it should work |
08:18.37 | ndnihil | also, have you upgraded the GSM firmware yet? |
08:18.42 | create_vibe | yes |
08:18.47 | ndnihil | to moko11? |
08:18.48 | create_vibe | i believe so |
08:18.50 | create_vibe | umm |
08:18.57 | create_vibe | how do I see the current? |
08:19.16 | ndnihil | hrm, if I remember right, its settings->gsm->modem info |
08:19.38 | create_vibe | settings>gsm isn't there |
08:19.39 | ndnihil | what dist do you run? |
08:20.14 | create_vibe | U-Boot: Neo1973 Bootloader U-Boot 1.3.2-moko12 |
08:20.30 | ndnihil | thats just the bootloader |
08:20.43 | ndnihil | did you flash a new image/filesystem to your phone when you got it? |
08:20.57 | create_vibe | ya |
08:21.01 | ndnihil | which one? |
08:21.08 | create_vibe | 2008.12 or whatever that was |
08:21.15 | ndnihil | gotcha |
08:21.25 | ndnihil | I'm currently running SHR-testing |
08:21.39 | ndnihil | om2007/om2008 were kinda lacking when I tried them |
08:21.54 | ndnihil | qt was pretty but boring |
08:22.00 | ndnihil | FDOM was horrid |
08:22.09 | ndnihil | but I'm liking SHR so far |
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08:22.37 | create_vibe | i'd like it a lot more if I could use it |
08:22.50 | ndnihil | what sim do you have? |
08:23.00 | create_vibe | att 3g |
08:23.06 | ndnihil | me too, which version? |
08:23.07 | create_vibe | they said it falls back |
08:23.12 | create_vibe | the latest |
08:23.23 | ndnihil | I yanked mine out of the blackberry work gave me |
08:23.28 | ndnihil | there's numbers on it |
08:23.33 | ndnihil | what numbers are they? |
08:23.38 | create_vibe | ya, there's number on it |
08:23.41 | create_vibe | idk, it's in |
08:23.55 | create_vibe | it's one of the pictures of the working att sims |
08:23.57 | create_vibe | on the wiki page |
08:24.29 | create_vibe | i'm about to attempt installing debian |
08:24.33 | create_vibe | can I do it over ssh? |
08:24.46 | create_vibe | or do I need to be in flash or whatever |
08:24.53 | ndnihil | I tried installing it to SD, but couldn't get it to boot |
08:25.02 | ndnihil | there are a couple different methods |
08:25.09 | create_vibe | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
08:25.15 | create_vibe | that's where I am |
08:25.20 | ndnihil | but really, you should try getting the phone to work first |
08:25.25 | ndnihil | yeah that's the one I tried |
08:25.31 | ndnihil | with the modified uboot env |
08:25.33 | create_vibe | well, how would you suggest I do that? |
08:25.41 | create_vibe | i just managed to get it connected |
08:25.52 | ndnihil | well, most people in here seem to run SHR testing, or SHR unstable |
08:25.59 | create_vibe | what's that? |
08:26.02 | ndnihil | so you're more likely to get accurate support if you run that |
08:26.10 | ndnihil | stable hybrid release |
08:26.17 | ndnihil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions |
08:26.59 | ndnihil | for me it worked the best out of all of them I tried |
08:27.37 | create_vibe | should I do testing or unstable? |
08:27.43 | ndnihil | testing for sure |
08:27.48 | ndnihil | unstable is just that, unstable |
08:27.56 | create_vibe | right |
08:28.27 | ndnihil | but, you should figure out exactly which sim you have too |
08:28.37 | create_vibe | i did at one point |
08:28.38 | ndnihil | mine is a 3g fireball, 73000 |
08:28.40 | create_vibe | I made sure it was compatible |
08:29.02 | ndnihil | I had to stick a couple layers of clear tape on the back so it would sit more firmly in the carrier |
08:29.29 | ndnihil | that, and updating GSM firmware to moko11 helped a lot |
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08:29.49 | ndnihil | havent had any issues with that part of it since |
08:30.21 | blokkie_ | hi |
08:31.18 | blokkie_ | when I connect my neo in linux the usb0 network interface allways dissapears . First it pops up and then when the neo go's into sleep mode the connection is gone. How can I make it always active ? |
08:31.48 | ndnihil | blokkie_: depends on what dist you run |
08:31.54 | blokkie_ | archlinux |
08:32.10 | ndnihil | on the phone? |
08:32.20 | blokkie_ | no , on my laptop |
08:32.31 | ndnihil | what do you run on the phone? |
08:32.33 | blokkie_ | on the noe it's still the standerd version |
08:32.37 | blokkie_ | 2008 I guess |
08:33.24 | blokkie_ | is there an easy fix for it ? |
08:33.30 | ndnihil | does ifconfig usb0 return a device? |
08:33.35 | blokkie_ | yes |
08:33.41 | blokkie_ | I can ssh into it from windows |
08:33.50 | blokkie_ | and do ipk installs and everything |
08:34.14 | blokkie_ | but I want to install a new distro , with the neotool .. but that only runs in linux |
08:34.20 | ndnihil | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 |
08:34.33 | ndnihil | you dont need networking when flashing a new dist |
08:34.40 | create_vibe | hey ndnihil, how do install this thing |
08:34.48 | ndnihil | create_vibe: SHR? |
08:34.51 | create_vibe | ya |
08:34.53 | blokkie_ | I don't ? |
08:35.06 | ndnihil | blokkie_: no, you flash it from the bootloader |
08:35.18 | ndnihil | create_vibe: you flash it from the bootloader |
08:35.22 | ndnihil | gets dejavu |
08:35.28 | create_vibe | can you walk me through it? |
08:35.32 | ndnihil | sure |
08:35.36 | blokkie_ | I'll follow as well :) |
08:35.39 | ndnihil | but |
08:35.46 | ndnihil | give me a minute to grab something to stuff in my face |
08:35.52 | ndnihil | hungry :) |
08:36.04 | blokkie_ | create_vibe: what flash image did you download ? |
08:36.57 | create_vibe | I haven't |
08:37.04 | create_vibe | i'm jsut reading the wiki page |
08:37.50 | create_vibe | cool, I'll be chillin |
08:38.09 | ndnihil | bagel and bananna |
08:38.11 | ndnihil | yum |
08:38.42 | ndnihil | ok, http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/ |
08:38.58 | create_vibe | ok i was there |
08:39.01 | ndnihil | uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
08:39.15 | ndnihil | that is the latest kernel image for the phone |
08:39.23 | ndnihil | get it and put it somewhere convenient |
08:39.23 | create_vibe | ok, saved |
08:39.47 | ndnihil | shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
08:39.57 | ndnihil | that will be the latest filesystem image |
08:40.07 | ndnihil | get it, and put it next to the kernel image |
08:40.19 | ndnihil | while that's downloading |
08:40.25 | ndnihil | make sure you have dfu-util |
08:40.34 | ndnihil | (you can also use neotool, but I've never use it) |
08:40.44 | create_vibe | i have dfu-util |
08:40.49 | create_vibe | i used it last time, but I don't remember how |
08:41.06 | ndnihil | blokkie_: do you have it? |
08:41.24 | blokkie_ | sec |
08:41.36 | ndnihil | oh, and make sure you are both booted into linux on the machine you will be doing this from |
08:41.39 | ndnihil | :) |
08:41.57 | create_vibe | got usb connection established, should I log out of ssh? |
08:42.09 | ndnihil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util |
08:42.12 | ndnihil | in case you dont have it |
08:42.34 | ndnihil | create you'll be restarting the phone in a minute |
08:42.40 | create_vibe | ahh |
08:43.08 | blokkie_ | sec .. I'm getting http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util |
08:43.21 | ndnihil | blokkie_: take your time |
08:45.33 | blokkie_ | ok , I have it but the jffs2 is still downloading |
08:45.34 | ndnihil | oh, and just to confirm, and make it explicitly clear: THIS WILL DESTROY ANY DATA YOU CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE PHONE, BACK IT UP |
08:45.38 | ndnihil | :) |
08:45.45 | blokkie_ | ok :) |
08:45.59 | blokkie_ | even the sexy pictures ? ... *grin* |
08:46.03 | create_vibe | let's do it |
08:46.29 | blokkie_ | in 6 minutes my jffs2 download is done |
08:46.44 | ndnihil | ok, we can get started before that's done |
08:46.50 | ndnihil | just to familiarize you with the process |
08:46.56 | ndnihil | power your phones off |
08:47.41 | create_vibe | k |
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08:48.05 | reisio | any hardware reqs? |
08:48.08 | reisio | my phone's getting old |
08:48.23 | ndnihil | reisio: yes, all of it, I need a spare |
08:48.25 | blokkie_ | k |
08:48.37 | reisio | ndnihil: well maybe a bit more specific than that :p |
08:48.56 | blokkie_ | mine is booting again :) |
08:48.56 | reisio | doc|home: what was that link you gave me earlier? |
08:48.58 | reisio | looked rad |
08:48.59 | ndnihil | ok, both of your phones are off? |
08:49.04 | ndnihil | blokkie_: keep it powered off |
08:49.12 | create_vibe | yes, off |
08:49.21 | blokkie_ | ok |
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08:49.29 | ndnihil | so both off now? |
08:49.39 | reisio | doc|home: hallo? |
08:49.41 | blokkie_ | yes |
08:49.59 | ndnihil | ok, hold the aux button, and then press power for a couple seconds (until it starts doing stuff) |
08:50.12 | ndnihil | that will take you into uBoot |
08:50.15 | blokkie_ | where is the aux button ? |
08:50.17 | create_vibe | k |
08:50.22 | create_vibe | in the boot menu |
08:50.23 | ndnihil | top left |
08:50.32 | blokkie_ | the light ? |
08:50.38 | reisio | doc|home: ugh, okay stop pm'ing me |
08:50.39 | ndnihil | yeah I think it lights up too |
08:50.45 | blokkie_ | ok second |
08:50.53 | reisio | doc|home: STOP ffs... |
08:50.57 | reisio | headdesks |
08:50.59 | blokkie_ | ok .. in |
08:51.20 | ndnihil | ok, letting it sit there will power the phone off after ~15 seconds or so |
08:51.24 | ndnihil | as mine just did |
08:51.31 | create_vibe | right |
08:51.36 | create_vibe | back in |
08:52.04 | ndnihil | so hop over to your PC, and type: dfu-util -l |
08:52.09 | ndnihil | when its in the uBoot menu |
08:52.24 | ndnihil | that should return something like this: |
08:52.26 | create_vibe | found runtime |
08:52.27 | blokkie_ | ok |
08:52.28 | ndnihil | Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=57, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
08:52.35 | blokkie_ | indeed |
08:52.38 | ndnihil | both of you get that? |
08:52.39 | ndnihil | good |
08:53.43 | ndnihil | first we're going to flash the kernel image |
08:53.52 | blokkie_ | ok |
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08:53.53 | ndnihil | so cd into the directory where you stuffed your images |
08:53.56 | reisio | doc|home: I came on your mom earlier... |
08:54.25 | blokkie_ | ok |
08:55.20 | ndnihil | then boot the phone into uBoot menu again, and run: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
08:55.46 | blokkie_ | it's running |
08:55.48 | ndnihil | this will flash the kernel image to the appropriate section of the phone |
08:55.59 | ndnihil | kernel will only take a few seconds to flash |
08:56.08 | create_vibe | starting download |
08:56.17 | ndnihil | but the root filesystem will take much longer, up to ~20 minutes or so |
08:56.20 | *** part/#openmoko reisio (n=reisio@unaffiliated/reisio) |
08:56.28 | create_vibe | says it's done |
08:56.31 | ndnihil | so dont get impatient, it will be doing its thing |
08:56.34 | blokkie_ | DFU switching back to runtime mode |
08:56.39 | doc|home | tard |
08:56.41 | create_vibe | so now do the rootfs |
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08:57.03 | ndnihil | yep, for rootfs the command is: dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
08:57.27 | blokkie_ | so after I see DFU switching back to runtime mode I should do dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
08:57.30 | blokkie_ | <PROTECTED> |
08:57.40 | ndnihil | blokkie_: you should do it from the uBoot menu |
08:57.47 | ndnihil | same as kernel |
08:58.23 | blokkie_ | ok , |
08:58.30 | blokkie_ | so this takes about 20 minutes ? |
08:58.33 | create_vibe | ya, on the device I see Starting DPU DOWNLOAD to RAM (0x...) |
08:58.35 | ndnihil | roughly yes |
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08:58.41 | create_vibe | what after? |
08:58.49 | ndnihil | then you boot the phone, it's done :) |
08:58.58 | create_vibe | and u think my SIM should work? |
08:59.07 | ndnihil | depends on your sim |
08:59.09 | blokkie_ | ndnihil: so that will then be a complete new distro on the phone ? |
08:59.18 | ndnihil | blokkie_: yep, that will be the SHR testing dist |
08:59.25 | blokkie_ | _AWSOME_ |
08:59.38 | blokkie_ | xdcc send ndnihil a virtual hug |
08:59.41 | ndnihil | :) |
08:59.47 | ndnihil | this thing is painless to flash |
09:00.04 | ndnihil | and rumors are, it's very difficult to brick |
09:00.13 | blokkie_ | it's almost "sexy" :) |
09:00.32 | ndnihil | but with bot NOR and NAND available, not hard to believe, fuck up one you can rescue from the other |
09:00.51 | blokkie_ | ndnihil: the sdcard now I have is 256mb |
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09:00.57 | ndnihil | sorry to hear that |
09:00.58 | blokkie_ | can I put one with 2G in ? |
09:01.03 | create_vibe | oh, I have a 8gb |
09:01.06 | ndnihil | yes, I run a 2 gig uSD in mine |
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09:01.25 | create_vibe | it's cool, it came with a little usb thing |
09:01.27 | ndnihil | will be picking up a 16 gig next time I'm near a place that has them |
09:01.44 | blokkie_ | aha , so I can just go buy a big ass micro sd and ut it in , and flash it like we just did ? |
09:01.54 | create_vibe | I would too. where do you get them? |
09:02.03 | ndnihil | not just like we did, but you can use it |
09:02.19 | create_vibe | Error during download |
09:02.25 | ndnihil | the way we just flashed uses the phones internal flash |
09:02.34 | create_vibe | dfu_download error -110 |
09:02.39 | ndnihil | doh |
09:02.47 | ndnihil | did you mess with it while it was doing its thing |
09:02.48 | ndnihil | ? |
09:02.52 | create_vibe | no |
09:02.58 | create_vibe | should I try again? |
09:03.01 | ndnihil | yes |
09:03.05 | create_vibe | start all over? |
09:03.08 | create_vibe | or just the rootfs? |
09:03.13 | ndnihil | make sure you're root to be sure it's not a device permissions error |
09:03.21 | ndnihil | just the rootfs, the kernel flashed successfully no? |
09:03.24 | blokkie_ | I run it as root |
09:03.31 | create_vibe | root on ubuntu or root on the neo? |
09:03.36 | blokkie_ | and it's still downloading :) |
09:03.41 | create_vibe | ya, the kernel was fine |
09:03.41 | ndnihil | root in ubuntu |
09:03.46 | create_vibe | ya, I was root |
09:03.48 | ndnihil | you aren't logging into the neo just yet |
09:03.49 | create_vibe | well, sudo |
09:03.50 | ndnihil | ok |
09:03.55 | ndnihil | try it again and see what happens |
09:04.13 | create_vibe | Cannot set alternate interface |
09:04.21 | ndnihil | hrm |
09:04.25 | ndnihil | power phone off |
09:04.30 | ndnihil | unplug usb cable |
09:05.00 | create_vibe | seems like it's frozen |
09:05.12 | ndnihil | hrm, that's no good |
09:05.24 | ndnihil | pop the battery out |
09:05.33 | create_vibe | i can get that sim number now :) |
09:05.45 | ndnihil | yes do that |
09:05.55 | ndnihil | and try leaving the sim out for next flash |
09:06.44 | create_vibe | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:ATT_simcards_small.jpg |
09:06.49 | create_vibe | mine is the one on the left |
09:06.55 | create_vibe | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:ATT_simcards_small.jpg |
09:06.56 | create_vibe | err |
09:07.03 | create_vibe | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_unable_to_work_with_3G_SIM_cards |
09:07.27 | create_vibe | oh |
09:07.29 | create_vibe | no |
09:07.32 | create_vibe | it's the one on the right |
09:07.46 | create_vibe | ya |
09:08.00 | create_vibe | so it says it should work |
09:08.13 | create_vibe | Some AT&T cards have same vendor/ID number, but different contacts (Josh posted at 2008/8/24), following image shows that card that working (right) and not working (lef |
09:08.34 | ndnihil | hrm, does it sit loosely in the carrier? |
09:08.35 | ndnihil | well, |
09:08.39 | ndnihil | lets worry about that later |
09:08.46 | create_vibe | no |
09:08.47 | ndnihil | first lets get a filesystem on your phone |
09:08.50 | create_vibe | sits ok |
09:08.53 | create_vibe | i guess |
09:08.55 | create_vibe | ok |
09:09.17 | create_vibe | ya, maybe a little loose |
09:09.36 | ndnihil | leave sim out, battery back in, boot to uBoot menu, then run the flash again |
09:10.01 | ndnihil | oh, and plug USB back in :) |
09:10.07 | create_vibe | ok, it's going |
09:10.20 | create_vibe | right |
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09:10.21 | create_vibe | :) |
09:10.31 | ndnihil | go grab a drink and watch porn for 20 minutes |
09:10.36 | create_vibe | lol |
09:10.41 | create_vibe | aka, don't fuck with it! |
09:10.42 | ndnihil | blokkie_: yours done yet? |
09:10.49 | blokkie_ | going steady :) |
09:10.52 | ndnihil | yes, leave it alone, it knows what it's doing |
09:11.08 | blokkie_ | I talk to it , use gentle words .. :-) |
09:11.21 | ndnihil | thats fine, but no caressing it |
09:11.29 | blokkie_ | hehe |
09:11.29 | ndnihil | no poking it with anything |
09:11.31 | ndnihil | etc... |
09:11.46 | blokkie_ | which software is included in this image ? |
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09:11.55 | ndnihil | just basic stuff |
09:12.06 | ndnihil | you can add software later |
09:12.12 | blokkie_ | coz I had lots of dificulties trying to get software on it |
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09:12.50 | blokkie_ | like I said , in lunux the usb network connection gets disconnected when the phone go's in sleep mode |
09:12.58 | blokkie_ | s/lunux/linux/ |
09:13.10 | ndnihil | with SHR it doesnt sleep when USB is plugged in |
09:13.18 | create_vibe | lol |
09:13.18 | ndnihil | rather, it doesnt suspend |
09:13.18 | blokkie_ | oh , cool |
09:13.23 | blokkie_ | then I can use repo's |
09:13.25 | create_vibe | cool bot |
09:13.32 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
09:13.37 | blokkie_ | Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode |
09:13.41 | blokkie_ | it's done I think |
09:13.42 | create_vibe | haha |
09:13.55 | blokkie_ | can I now restart it ? |
09:13.57 | ndnihil | yep |
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09:14.20 | blokkie_ | restarting |
09:14.58 | blokkie_ | startng udev |
09:15.01 | create_vibe | same thing |
09:15.06 | create_vibe | error |
09:15.08 | ndnihil | create: same error? |
09:15.10 | ndnihil | hrm |
09:15.18 | ndnihil | are you going through a USB hub? |
09:15.20 | create_vibe | this didn't happen last time I flashed it |
09:15.24 | create_vibe | a hub? |
09:15.32 | ndnihil | yes, a USB hub |
09:15.39 | ndnihil | one of those little boxes that give you extra USB ports |
09:15.41 | blokkie_ | create_vibe: maybe a bad image download ? |
09:15.43 | create_vibe | no |
09:15.52 | create_vibe | direct to the computer |
09:15.55 | ndnihil | ok good |
09:16.00 | ndnihil | some hubs suck balls |
09:16.21 | blokkie_ | ndnihil: is it normal that it is like compiling the kernel ? |
09:16.30 | create_vibe | ya, I'll try downloading a new image |
09:16.33 | ndnihil | uh, no that's not very normal, and not very possible |
09:16.36 | create_vibe | come to think of it, it did download pretty quick |
09:16.45 | ndnihil | create: it should be about 85M |
09:16.53 | ndnihil | grab a fresh one if it's not |
09:17.12 | ndnihil | 85M shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
09:17.12 | ndnihil | 1.9M uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin |
09:17.14 | blokkie_ | [blokkie@Archlap tmp]$ du -sk shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
09:17.14 | blokkie_ | 87004 shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
09:17.16 | ndnihil | is what I get |
09:17.19 | create_vibe | ok, this looks better |
09:17.20 | blokkie_ | create_vibe: same size ? |
09:17.34 | create_vibe | same file, but I'm watching it this time |
09:18.19 | blokkie_ | ow enlightenment !! |
09:18.19 | ndnihil | blokkie_: booted yet? |
09:18.21 | ndnihil | yep |
09:18.22 | ndnihil | :) |
09:18.31 | blokkie_ | awsome |
09:18.41 | blokkie_ | whcih profile should I select ? |
09:18.46 | ndnihil | default |
09:18.56 | blokkie_ | illume or illume SHR |
09:19.05 | ndnihil | illume SHR I think |
09:19.22 | create_vibe | trying again |
09:19.31 | blokkie_ | good luck create_vibe |
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09:20.54 | blokkie_ | ndnihil: it did not ask for my pin code for GSM |
09:21.01 | ndnihil | didn't ask me either |
09:21.25 | ndnihil | good thing too, I have no idea what my pin is (swiped the sim from my work brokeberry) |
09:21.36 | blokkie_ | ok , now it did .. just took a bit of time |
09:21.58 | blokkie_ | ndnihil: you lied .. there are tons of apps installed already :-) |
09:22.17 | ndnihil | hah, that's just basic stuff :) |
09:22.48 | blokkie_ | it does not 'rotate' |
09:22.55 | ndnihil | not by default |
09:23.05 | ndnihil | but you can grab the omnewrotate package |
09:23.21 | ndnihil | it should be listed on opkg.org if I remember correctly |
09:24.00 | blokkie_ | so you say , that now i should keep the usb0 connection while I'm in linux right ? |
09:24.06 | ndnihil | yep |
09:24.14 | create_vibe | heh |
09:24.19 | blokkie_ | what is the best way to install apps ? use a repo ? |
09:24.19 | create_vibe | different error code this time |
09:24.24 | create_vibe | 84 |
09:24.44 | ndnihil | blokkie_: yeah, or just download them and install |
09:25.01 | ndnihil | create: strange, did you get the full rootfs image? |
09:25.17 | ndnihil | and you grabbed the .jffs2, not the .tar.gz right? |
09:25.21 | create_vibe | 84.9 MB (88997888 bytes) |
09:25.31 | create_vibe | shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
09:25.32 | create_vibe | yes |
09:25.51 | ndnihil | and the phone showed up in dfu-util -l? |
09:25.56 | ndnihil | before flashing |
09:25.58 | create_vibe | yep |
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09:26.14 | ndnihil | do you have anything odd hogging your USB bus? |
09:26.27 | ndnihil | on the PC/laptop |
09:26.34 | create_vibe | http://pastebin.ws/ccfyol |
09:26.39 | create_vibe | umm |
09:26.55 | create_vibe | I have two external usb drives connected |
09:27.03 | create_vibe | and a usb wirless keyboard mouse |
09:27.07 | create_vibe | logitech wave |
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09:27.20 | PBeck | ahoi |
09:27.24 | ndnihil | try dropping off whatever USB devices you can before trying again |
09:27.37 | create_vibe | sure, I can unmount them |
09:27.41 | ndnihil | perhaps even give your machine a reboot |
09:27.58 | create_vibe | umm |
09:28.02 | create_vibe | why |
09:28.24 | ndnihil | good mojo |
09:28.31 | blokkie_ | :-) |
09:28.50 | ndnihil | this workstation still runs debian sarge, and sometimes if I fuck around the USB subsystems locks up |
09:28.59 | ndnihil | only thing that will fix it is a reboot |
09:29.55 | create_vibe | meh |
09:30.04 | ndnihil | unplugging a mounted USB block device while accessing another is a sure way to trigger it on this machine |
09:30.29 | ndnihil | I really need to upgrade |
09:30.36 | d-b | ndnihil: yes you do. |
09:30.40 | ndnihil | :) |
09:30.51 | create_vibe | downloading again |
09:31.18 | ndnihil | d-b: other than the USB thing, and lack of glibc2.4, it has been quite nice all these years |
09:31.31 | d-b | ndnihil: upgrade. |
09:31.47 | ndnihil | eventually |
09:31.49 | d-b | you are really needing security updates etc. |
09:31.59 | ndnihil | no I'm not :) |
09:32.02 | d-b | if this machine is going on the netz ... upgrade... |
09:32.10 | ndnihil | its vulnerable locally for sure |
09:32.13 | ndnihil | but I'm the only user |
09:32.24 | d-b | ndnihil: use a browser ? |
09:32.27 | ndnihil | yup |
09:32.32 | d-b | iceweasel ? |
09:32.39 | ndnihil | no, firefox |
09:32.43 | d-b | ndnihil: which firefox ? |
09:32.44 | d-b | 2 ? |
09:32.47 | ndnihil | no from packages |
09:32.53 | ndnihil | yes, 3 requires glibc2.4 |
09:33.07 | d-b | ndnihil: oh did firefox get renamed only in etch+ |
09:33.20 | ndnihil | running through a filtering proxy outbound |
09:33.21 | d-b | anyways id upgrade lest you get pwned. |
09:34.00 | ndnihil | when I upgrade, it will be solely for newer software and features |
09:34.17 | ndnihil | security is good, it's my job btw ;) |
09:34.56 | blokkie_ | ndnihil: SHR has QT Extended ? |
09:35.31 | ndnihil | no, shr and qt extended are different dists, but I believe you can install qt software on shr, though I've not tried myself |
09:36.17 | ndnihil | create_vibe: how it is coming along? |
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09:37.37 | create_vibe | error 110 again |
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09:38.20 | ndnihil | create: is this a gta01 or gta02? |
09:38.25 | Serdar | good morning |
09:38.39 | ndnihil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Troubleshooting_notes |
09:38.49 | ndnihil | If during flashing of an image using dfu-util you're consistently getting an error -110 message, check that the size of the destination NAND partition is big enough to hold the image. |
09:38.51 | create_vibe | cv@cvserv:~/Desktop$ sudo dfu-util -R -D shr-image-om-gta02.jffs2 |
09:39.06 | ndnihil | right, but which phone, the gta01 or gta02? |
09:39.10 | create_vibe | oh |
09:39.16 | ndnihil | neo freerunner, or neo 1973? |
09:39.17 | create_vibe | the freerunner |
09:39.20 | ndnihil | ok |
09:39.21 | ndnihil | good |
09:40.10 | ndnihil | did you repartition your phone at all? |
09:40.12 | blokkie_ | ndnihil: I can't see all my apps .. I can't scroll down . Which app do I need for that ? |
09:40.20 | ndnihil | and did you make sure your -a switch was rootfs and not kernel? |
09:40.23 | create_vibe | not that I recall |
09:40.28 | ndnihil | blok: press and drag |
09:40.52 | create_vibe | oops, there's no -a there |
09:40.56 | create_vibe | :| |
09:41.01 | ndnihil | create: you'll need that |
09:41.44 | create_vibe | :D |
09:41.51 | ndnihil | 03:57 < ndnihil> yep, for rootfs the command is: dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D |
09:41.51 | ndnihil | <PROTECTED> |
09:42.13 | create_vibe | i know, my bad... |
09:42.15 | create_vibe | high |
09:42.41 | ndnihil | no excuse, I've popped a few vicodin and smoked a bit in the past couple hours |
09:42.46 | ndnihil | (migranes) |
09:43.09 | create_vibe | 242am ? |
09:43.18 | ndnihil | 04:43 here |
09:43.27 | create_vibe | damn |
09:44.06 | ndnihil | well, you should consider that I didn't wake up until 23:00 |
09:44.11 | ndnihil | I keep strange hours |
09:44.40 | create_vibe | i woke up at 3pm today |
09:44.47 | create_vibe | I needed the sleep |
09:45.32 | ndnihil | you should probably re-flash your kernel just to be on the safe side |
09:45.35 | ndnihil | after rootfs is done |
09:45.41 | ndnihil | dont forget the -a switch |
09:45.50 | create_vibe | the kernel went good |
09:45.52 | create_vibe | I had the -a |
09:46.01 | ndnihil | yeah, but forgetting the -a for rootfs could have overwritten it |
09:46.05 | create_vibe | oh |
09:46.07 | create_vibe | right |
09:46.12 | ndnihil | I dont know what addresses dfu-util defaults to |
09:46.38 | ndnihil | but with -110 meaning not enough space for the image |
09:46.46 | create_vibe | man doesn't say |
09:46.48 | create_vibe | ya, true |
09:46.51 | ndnihil | its quite possible it was trying to write to the kernel partiton |
09:46.56 | ndnihil | partition |
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09:51.02 | blokkie_ | ndnihil: * Failed to download http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/ipk//armv4/Packages.gz, error 404 |
09:51.09 | blokkie_ | I can not do opkg update ? |
09:51.10 | ndnihil | that's normal |
09:51.15 | ndnihil | you can ignore it |
09:51.27 | ndnihil | the rest of the package lists likely came down without issue |
09:51.45 | blokkie_ | I'm doing an upgrade now :) |
09:51.47 | ndnihil | remove it from /etc/opkg if it annoys you (I did) |
09:52.27 | blokkie_ | SHR is definatly a more stable, responsive and complete distro compared to the default that was installed |
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09:52.31 | gfather | hello guys |
09:52.36 | gfather | whats this |
09:52.36 | gfather | Your APN: ? |
09:52.49 | ndnihil | blokkie_: it seems to be the most popular of the bunch |
09:52.49 | gfather | what does APN reffer to |
09:53.06 | create_vibe | well now I'm excited |
09:53.09 | ndnihil | apn = access point name |
09:53.25 | Wonka | gfather: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_Point_Name |
09:53.50 | gfather | thanks :) , needed to know what it is to translate :) |
09:54.07 | ndnihil | http://www.flexispy.com/Mobile%20APN%20Setting%20to%20use%20GPRS.htm |
09:54.41 | ndnihil | actually |
09:54.44 | ndnihil | those dont look correct |
09:54.49 | ndnihil | my at&t was different |
09:55.02 | ndnihil | outdated perhaps |
09:55.59 | ndnihil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS#Some_APN_names_for_reference |
09:57.07 | ndnihil | create_vibe: still going? |
09:57.22 | create_vibe | good so far |
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10:00.03 | s_p | does shr-testing use e16 or e17 ? |
10:00.44 | create_vibe | ok, both done |
10:00.47 | create_vibe | finished |
10:00.58 | create_vibe | should I put my card back in when I reboot? |
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10:01.25 | ndnihil | yeah, maybe stick a piece of tape on the back to add just a little bit of thickness to it |
10:01.58 | ndnihil | with the different pad shapes, I wanted to make sure mine was seated firmly in the right position |
10:02.12 | ndnihil | it may or may not help you |
10:02.16 | ndnihil | but worth a shot |
10:02.38 | ndnihil | I just laid it down on some clear tape and cut around it with a razor blade |
10:02.50 | ndnihil | the non-contact side that it :) |
10:02.51 | ndnihil | er |
10:02.53 | ndnihil | that is |
10:04.34 | create_vibe | i don't know |
10:04.38 | create_vibe | it's not locking in place any more |
10:04.40 | ndnihil | might be worth cleaning the contacts with a pencil eraser too |
10:04.49 | create_vibe | oh |
10:04.51 | create_vibe | just kidding |
10:05.22 | ndnihil | and I guess the obvious check, is it inserted the right way around? :) |
10:05.39 | create_vibe | i'm assuming |
10:06.27 | ndnihil | the notched end faces the open side |
10:07.02 | create_vibe | the notch is on the top of the silver holder or bottom? |
10:07.11 | ndnihil | on the sim |
10:07.16 | ndnihil | the end with the corner cut off |
10:07.19 | create_vibe | the notch on the sim, yes |
10:07.45 | ndnihil | that is exposed when inserted |
10:08.07 | create_vibe | ya |
10:08.08 | ndnihil | if its laying face down, and the little metal carriage is sticking up, the notch sticks up too |
10:08.36 | create_vibe | it's configuring gnome-vfs |
10:08.43 | create_vibe | oh that's done |
10:08.53 | ndnihil | yeah it'll run through some setup stuff |
10:08.53 | create_vibe | took a sec |
10:09.01 | ndnihil | let it do its thing |
10:09.05 | create_vibe | for sure |
10:10.40 | create_vibe | ok, now which profile did you guys say? |
10:10.42 | create_vibe | illume shr? |
10:11.03 | ndnihil | yeah |
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10:11.46 | create_vibe | cool |
10:11.47 | create_vibe | it's up |
10:13.18 | create_vibe | ya, that's pimp |
10:13.42 | create_vibe | ok, the sim is in, so the notch is sticking up towards the left, when standing up |
10:13.51 | create_vibe | gold facing down |
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10:14.55 | ndnihil | sounds right |
10:16.48 | create_vibe | ok, how do I know if this is gonna work |
10:16.55 | create_vibe | do I need to set anything up? |
10:17.10 | ndnihil | yes, check out the SHR tweaks wiki page |
10:19.34 | create_vibe | ok, what's this date stuff |
10:19.37 | create_vibe | I don't quite understand |
10:19.49 | ndnihil | set the date/time and timezone |
10:20.15 | create_vibe | I understand that, but setting the date is confusing me |
10:20.47 | ndnihil | set up the timezone, and when it registers with the network it should auto-set the date |
10:20.55 | create_vibe | ahh |
10:21.00 | ndnihil | assuming you can get your sim to work |
10:21.17 | ndnihil | any bars or carrier name at the top yet? |
10:22.29 | create_vibe | nope |
10:23.01 | ndnihil | try going into settings->GSM |
10:23.32 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: there's exactly no reports about any 2G-compatible sim not working (using the latest gsm firmware). |
10:23.38 | create_vibe | can't connect to dbus |
10:23.47 | create_vibe | ophonekitd it's not running! start it? |
10:23.49 | create_vibe | I clicked yes |
10:24.02 | ndnihil | paul: was going to get him to check his firmware revision next :) |
10:24.21 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: if he never flashed it, he must flash. It's easy like that :) |
10:24.46 | ndnihil | yeah, the uSD method was cake |
10:25.25 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: i meant the decision to flash is easy. Never flashed -> flash. |
10:25.41 | ndnihil | yeah that too |
10:25.56 | ndnihil | just walked him(them) through sticking SHR testing on |
10:26.00 | ndnihil | both of them are booted into it now |
10:26.22 | ndnihil | blokkie_ has been quiet, so I assume he's installing software |
10:26.28 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: cool :))) |
10:27.34 | ndnihil | so yeah, create, settings->GSM->modem information |
10:27.51 | ndnihil | you should see the string 'moko' followed by a one or two digit number |
10:28.03 | ndnihil | if it's not 'moko11' |
10:28.07 | ndnihil | fix it :) |
10:28.17 | create_vibe | it says: gsm settings: can't connect to dbus |
10:29.00 | ndnihil | hrm, I got that a couple times, but forget what (if anything) I did to fix |
10:29.19 | create_vibe | :| |
10:29.34 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: check if frameworkd is running. Check syslog. |
10:29.44 | create_vibe | can u walk me through it? |
10:30.42 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: hm, check logread? |
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10:32.16 | create_vibe | ok |
10:32.19 | create_vibe | what would I look for? |
10:32.52 | create_vibe | greping frameworkd didn't give me anything |
10:33.06 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: try to start it from /etc/init.d/ |
10:33.15 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: though it should have started automatically. |
10:33.31 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: i hope you've already rebooted at least once, have you? |
10:33.37 | create_vibe | ya |
10:33.40 | create_vibe | ok, it restarted |
10:33.43 | ndnihil | /var/volatile/log/frameworkd.log |
10:34.14 | create_vibe | ok, I have a lot in there, ndnihil |
10:34.46 | create_vibe | get a WARNING Attempted to send something while serial is not open. |
10:35.04 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: btw, do you have ophonekitd running? |
10:35.21 | create_vibe | i enabled it, but when I looked at it again, it didnt' say it was enabled still |
10:35.24 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: because without it nobody enables gsm subsystem and therefore you can't get modem information. |
10:35.50 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: try to start it from command line (if you're doing it via ssh, export DISPLAY=:0 first). |
10:35.52 | create_vibe | ok, I told it to start on the gui |
10:35.53 | create_vibe | oh |
10:36.13 | create_vibe | GSM is not available. because no SIM card is present |
10:36.47 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: if you haven't upgraded your GSM firmware, do it now :) |
10:36.54 | ndnihil | definitely |
10:37.04 | create_vibe | how? |
10:37.14 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: GSM/Flashing page on the wiki. |
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10:37.55 | ndnihil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing |
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10:40.36 | create_vibe | this says moko11 |
10:40.43 | create_vibe | root@om-gta02:/usr/sbin# FLUID_PORT=/dev/ttySAC0 fluid.exe \ |
10:40.43 | create_vibe | -oo -od13,13 -b 115200 \ |
10:40.43 | create_vibe | -f $HOME/calypso-moko11.m0 |
10:40.49 | create_vibe | would I have moko12? |
10:41.18 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: why do you think moko12 is already released? |
10:41.31 | create_vibe | oh, I thought I saw it on the screen here |
10:42.08 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: moko11 is the latest atm. |
10:42.33 | PaulFertser | We have some hope that some bugs will be fixed soon though. |
10:42.53 | create_vibe | says fluid.exe is not found |
10:43.13 | ndnihil | use the uSD method |
10:43.18 | ndnihil | it's much easier |
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10:43.39 | create_vibe | ? |
10:43.55 | ndnihil | at the very bottom of that page |
10:44.01 | create_vibe | ahh |
10:44.02 | ndnihil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#uSD-card_Image |
10:44.17 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: you haven't installed fluid yet, why do you hope to find it? ;) |
10:44.38 | create_vibe | i thought it would be something built in |
10:44.39 | create_vibe | idk |
10:44.39 | create_vibe | :) |
10:45.01 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: imho downloading 100M, saving existing uSD contents, dd'ing (especially when you don't have a card-reader), rebooting, restoring uSD contents etc is much harder than the manual method. |
10:45.27 | ndnihil | I had a spare uSD card not doing anything |
10:45.38 | ndnihil | stuck it in, booted, pulled it out, done |
10:45.54 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: i just don't understand the concept of using a complicated method when a simple is available. |
10:46.12 | ndnihil | it's more idiot proof |
10:46.30 | ndnihil | keeps people from forgetting to add command line switches :) |
10:47.02 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: i hope om-users do not consider themselves idiots. |
10:47.14 | ndnihil | eh "idiot proof" in a general sense |
10:48.26 | ndnihil | compared to the general public I'd say we're far from idiots |
10:48.53 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: to be honest i sometimes doubt it ;) |
10:49.11 | ndnihil | well, every village has one, or two, or more |
10:49.13 | create_vibe | so I have to put this on my card? |
10:49.21 | create_vibe | I can remove it right? |
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10:49.36 | ndnihil | create_vibe: yes, it's just a one-time bootable image that upgrades the firmware for you |
10:49.47 | create_vibe | can I scp it? |
10:49.54 | create_vibe | hehe |
10:49.59 | create_vibe | i don't wanna take it out |
10:50.02 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: you see ;) |
10:50.04 | create_vibe | ok |
10:50.40 | ndnihil | hahahah |
10:50.58 | ndnihil | create: you dont have to take it out, you just dd it from the phone itself |
10:51.02 | ndnihil | but read that readme |
10:51.09 | ndnihil | I have to go out for a bit |
10:57.08 | create_vibe | i don't understand this |
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10:59.25 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: just use the uSD image per instructions provided with it then. |
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11:01.16 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: the idea is that you need to copy byte-by-byte the image to any supported uSD card (not to a card partition, to the card itself). You can do that however you like, even by booting your freerunner from NAND and using its uSD port as a card-reader. |
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11:05.49 | create_vibe | hey, some bars on the phone came up |
11:05.51 | create_vibe | they say sos only |
11:06.11 | create_vibe | has a * over the bars |
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11:13.20 | create_vibe | does that mean I need to register it or something? |
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11:22.55 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: imho if you don't have moko11 yet, you should flash it. |
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11:23.43 | create_vibe | well, I'm following the steps here |
11:23.47 | create_vibe | I don't understand the usd shit |
11:24.07 | create_vibe | Bootloader: (reset target) (fluid, version 3) ok |
11:24.07 | create_vibe | Checksumming (0 * 8kB = 0kB): ok |
11:24.07 | create_vibe | Flash Detect: (0xEC, 0x22A0) Samsung K5A3240CT ok |
11:24.07 | create_vibe | Program: (0 sectors, 0*8k=0k) () ok |
11:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | go flash moko11 now!!! hehehe |
11:24.17 | create_vibe | I'm not sure what I did wrong |
11:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | muahahaha you already got moko11 |
11:24.34 | create_vibe | pfft |
11:24.59 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: either that or he copied the output from the wiki ;) |
11:25.06 | create_vibe | no |
11:25.09 | create_vibe | that's what I see |
11:25.11 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehe giggle |
11:25.24 | create_vibe | oh, I didn't read further |
11:25.26 | create_vibe | I guess I already did it |
11:25.28 | DocScrutinizer | U used "my" uSD image? |
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11:25.32 | create_vibe | ok, so now what? |
11:25.33 | DocScrutinizer | to flash? |
11:26.05 | PaulFertser | create_vibe: now reboot (and don't forget to insert your sim) |
11:26.13 | create_vibe | it's in |
11:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | create_vibe: did you use uSD-image for GSM-flash? |
11:26.44 | create_vibe | no |
11:26.48 | create_vibe | well, not that I recall |
11:26.50 | DocScrutinizer | pfft |
11:26.53 | create_vibe | it was a while ago |
11:26.58 | create_vibe | i might have |
11:28.03 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-04-12 13:24:09] <create_vibe> Program: (0 sectors, 0*8k=0k) () ok |
11:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-04-12 13:24:18] <create_vibe> I'm not sure what I did wrong |
11:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | memory disorder ? |
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11:28.45 | create_vibe | :) |
11:29.23 | ndnihil | what does settings->GSM->modem information->revision say? |
11:29.32 | DocScrutinizer | feels like wasting time |
11:30.08 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07libframeworkd-glib * r9765f6989d09 10/ (ChangeLog NEWS): remove bogus content from ChangeLog and NEWS |
11:30.45 | mickeyl | why is libframeworkd-glib not shipping a .vapi ? |
11:30.58 | create_vibe | ndnihil, it's not there right now |
11:31.03 | create_vibe | says can't connect to dbus |
11:31.50 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: if he had used uSD image he easily could log in via mickeyterm... but he can't remember how he managed to install FLUID on FR, nor about the command resulting in Program: (0 sectors, 0*8k=0k) () ok |
11:32.12 | ndnihil | shakes his head |
11:32.24 | DocScrutinizer | mickeyl: geh ostereier suchen! ;-) |
11:32.54 | blokkie_ | how do I install assassin ? |
11:32.56 | mickeyl | heh |
11:32.58 | create_vibe | ok, I can modem informatino now |
11:32.59 | blokkie_ | the om-installer |
11:33.01 | create_vibe | can *see |
11:33.13 | create_vibe | registration says unregistered |
11:33.22 | ndnihil | what does revision say? |
11:33.34 | ndnihil | there should be the string 'moko' followed by a one or two digit number |
11:33.48 | blokkie_ | ndnihil: you know how do I install assassin ? |
11:33.50 | ndnihil | mine says moko11, yours should too |
11:33.54 | create_vibe | revision is umm: "HW: GTA, GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_.......-Moko9-beta1" |
11:34.03 | DocScrutinizer | muahahaha |
11:34.05 | ndnihil | ok, you need to update that firmware |
11:34.16 | create_vibe | meh |
11:34.16 | create_vibe | wtf |
11:34.20 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: i told you :) |
11:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-04-12 13:24:08] <DocScrutinizer> go flash moko11 now!!! hehehe |
11:34.28 | ndnihil | hehehe |
11:34.32 | create_vibe | I thought I just tried to do that |
11:34.33 | DocScrutinizer | [2009-04-12 13:24:09] <create_vibe> Program: (0 sectors, 0*8k=0k) () ok |
11:34.57 | ndnihil | create_vibe: it didn't work, do it right this time :) |
11:35.01 | DocScrutinizer | I thought you can't remember as it is so long ago |
11:35.11 | create_vibe | no, I just tried to do it |
11:35.21 | create_vibe | hmm, it just powered down |
11:35.32 | create_vibe | oh |
11:35.34 | create_vibe | cool |
11:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | is putting n his red nose and a silly hat |
11:35.51 | blokkie_ | ndnihil: before I flashed my neo , it had a nice gui installer . Now I don't have that anymore |
11:35.53 | ndnihil | did you read the readme that came with the moko11 image? |
11:35.57 | create_vibe | hehe |
11:36.07 | ndnihil | blokkie_: quite so |
11:36.09 | create_vibe | yes, but I don't understand it |
11:36.12 | create_vibe | I followed the steps |
11:36.15 | create_vibe | on the manual way |
11:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | obviously not |
11:36.38 | ndnihil | use the uSD image method |
11:36.42 | ndnihil | it's foolproof('ish) |
11:36.58 | blokkie_ | ndnihil: how do i install the gui then ? |
11:37.09 | create_vibe | Reading image file: WARNING(58): No input file name supplied |
11:37.14 | create_vibe | i got that |
11:37.19 | ndnihil | blokkie_: grab it from <whatever repository has it for armv4t> and opkg install it |
11:37.39 | blokkie_ | ndnihil: but I don't know it's name :S |
11:37.45 | ndnihil | nor do I |
11:37.50 | ndnihil | I use opkg cli |
11:37.56 | blokkie_ | k |
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11:38.42 | ndnihil | look around opkg.org |
11:38.49 | ndnihil | I'm sure they have a gui package thing listed |
11:38.50 | create_vibe | any more ideas? |
11:39.00 | ndnihil | create_vibe: follow the instructions in the readme |
11:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | get the uSD-image!!! |
11:39.05 | ndnihil | it works great when you do what it says |
11:39.10 | create_vibe | i don't understand this |
11:39.10 | create_vibe | dd if=flash-moko11-2.image of=<your_uSD_device>; #this is NO partition |
11:39.37 | DocScrutinizer | ok, insert your uSD to your PC cardreader |
11:39.42 | ndnihil | ok, dd interacts with devices on a more raw level than you're probably accustomed to |
11:39.54 | create_vibe | in the device or my computer |
11:40.00 | ndnihil | on your computer |
11:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | PC |
11:40.05 | create_vibe | so I have to take it out |
11:40.07 | ndnihil | that was the PC part he mentioned :) |
11:40.09 | create_vibe | k |
11:40.33 | ndnihil | gives create_vibe some ritalin |
11:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | watch syslog |
11:40.43 | DocScrutinizer | there should appear some device name |
11:41.06 | plhardy | dmesg ... |
11:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe even some konqueror or other requester pops up in card insertion |
11:41.41 | ndnihil | he's in ubuntu, so it'll likely automount |
11:41.56 | create_vibe | k, got the card in my usb |
11:41.57 | plhardy | if there is soemthing to automount |
11:41.59 | DocScrutinizer | that might show the name of your card (like /dev/sdc) |
11:42.04 | ndnihil | plhardy: true |
11:42.18 | henk | dmesg shows the new device... |
11:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I meant with "watch syslog" |
11:42.49 | create_vibe | ya, it's mounted |
11:43.04 | DocScrutinizer | `less +F /war/log/messages` |
11:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | what'S the name |
11:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
11:43.32 | create_vibe | huh |
11:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | `mount` |
11:43.46 | plhardy | and i thnik you will need to unmount everything to not confuse your system |
11:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | tell us the output of mount command |
11:44.19 | create_vibe | of what mount command? |
11:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | plhardy: that's written in detail in the readme for uSD-image |
11:44.28 | create_vibe | it mounted automatically, like ndnihil said |
11:44.43 | create_vibe | ok, the rest is unmounted |
11:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | go to a console or xterm. type m, then o, then u, then nt |
11:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | then <enter> |
11:45.15 | plhardy | idea is to copy a raw content on a uSD card, whatever is mounted is something that existed before and that will be totally erased |
11:45.29 | DocScrutinizer | ndnihil: your ritalin was old it seems |
11:45.34 | create_vibe | what are you looking for? |
11:45.44 | create_vibe | u jsut want the entire output? |
11:45.55 | Dave | :] |
11:46.03 | create_vibe | http://pastebin.ws/3r6338 |
11:46.07 | plhardy | what gives a mount command ? |
11:46.40 | plhardy | i bet for /dev/sde |
11:46.42 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
11:46.49 | DocScrutinizer | yup exactly |
11:46.54 | create_vibe | ya, I could have told you that if you asked me |
11:46.58 | create_vibe | so now? |
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11:47.17 | DocScrutinizer | dd if=flash-moko11-2.image of=/dev/sde |
11:47.19 | plhardy | <PROTECTED> |
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11:47.23 | create_vibe | ahh |
11:47.25 | create_vibe | ty :) |
11:47.51 | blokkie_ | how do I check my revision ? |
11:48.05 | DocScrutinizer | blokkie_: use mickeyterm |
11:48.22 | create_vibe | oh, /dev/sde instead of sde1 |
11:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | blokkie_: nah, nevermind |
11:48.33 | create_vibe | ? |
11:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | create_vibe: YEEES |
11:49.28 | plhardy | create_vide: /dev/sde1 was the first partition of your previous system here we are interested in full uSD not only to first partition |
11:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | but unmount /dev/sde1 BEFORE!!! |
11:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | create_vibe: cmd: `umount /dev/sde1` |
11:50.05 | plhardy | since /dev/sde1 is a part of /dev/sde ... |
11:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | THEN dd if=flash-moko11-2.image of=/dev/sde |
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11:50.23 | create_vibe | well shit |
11:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | prepares a create-usd.bat |
11:51.47 | ndnihil | heheh |
11:52.00 | create_vibe | :) |
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11:52.24 | shellevil | DocScrutinizer: US congress got there first. |
11:52.30 | create_vibe | ok, 283 MB copied |
11:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | looks good |
11:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | insert uSD to FR |
11:53.24 | create_vibe | put it back in the neo? |
11:53.24 | create_vibe | kk |
11:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | hold AUX button, press POWER button |
11:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | push AUX to highlite "boot from uSD" |
11:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | push POWER |
11:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | here you go |
11:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | you should see some blue writing on the screen |
11:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | create_vibe: do you? |
11:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | create_vibe: do you? |
11:56.51 | create_vibe | ya ya |
11:56.53 | create_vibe | it's working |
11:57.17 | DocScrutinizer | wait until color changing to green - - > done |
11:57.21 | DocScrutinizer | MOKO11 |
11:57.33 | create_vibe | failed on something |
11:57.35 | create_vibe | but it's still going |
11:57.43 | create_vibe | btusb.... |
11:57.44 | ndnihil | let it do its thing |
11:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | it's normal to fail on first shot |
11:58.13 | DocScrutinizer | takes 3 min, then another 3 for successful 2. shot |
11:58.26 | ndnihil | mine went through first run |
11:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | if it's green you may login via ssh if you like |
11:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | start `mickeyterm` - -talk to modem, have fun |
11:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
11:59.49 | create_vibe | ok, I'm at a login screen |
11:59.52 | create_vibe | it said done in green |
12:00.33 | create_vibe | so, it's done? |
12:00.36 | create_vibe | I can reboot normally? |
12:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | now you have two options: take out uSD and reboot |
12:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | or login to the running FSO-console image and try mickeyterm |
12:01.22 | DocScrutinizer | via usb and ssh |
12:01.38 | DocScrutinizer | actually mickeyterm is fun |
12:02.00 | saracen | why? |
12:02.25 | ndnihil | he likes to watch noobs struggle |
12:02.29 | ndnihil | ;) |
12:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | cause it's easy to talk to modem, without concern about switching on modem, setting up tty etc |
12:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | or short version: because it 'just works' |
12:03.15 | saracen | ah, i never tried it |
12:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | and at least you can check for sure you got moko11 now |
12:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | by asking the subsystem that should know: calypso modem |
12:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | and you know for sure it's not the modem or tty-hw, *if* anything fails with GSM in any arbitrary distro later on |
12:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | create_vibe: so after all, was that easy, or was that easy? |
12:06.55 | create_vibe | ya, got moko11 |
12:06.58 | create_vibe | yes |
12:07.34 | create_vibe | it said no sim card is present again tho |
12:07.38 | create_vibe | and I show no service |
12:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | make sure your sim is inserted correctly. and locked |
12:08.38 | create_vibe | well it's in and locked |
12:08.44 | create_vibe | I'm not sure how 'correctly' is |
12:09.03 | create_vibe | I'll try adjusting it |
12:09.21 | blokkie_ | are people working on a new release like om 2009 ? |
12:09.26 | DocScrutinizer | if it is inserted correctly, there is no way to adjust anything |
12:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | cut corner is to the outside of FR, away from holder. that's correct |
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12:13.04 | create_vibe | cant 'connect to dbus |
12:13.27 | DocScrutinizer | that's a distro problem. dbus isn't up for some reason |
12:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~docscrutinizer |
12:13.39 | apt | i guess docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
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12:13.54 | DocScrutinizer | so you see, SW is another department ;-) |
12:13.57 | create_vibe | I figured :) |
12:13.58 | gfather | anyone here did localization for shr ? |
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12:15.29 | create_vibe | i see bars now |
12:15.32 | create_vibe | with a * |
12:16.30 | plhardy | gfather: at least there is english localization :-) |
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12:17.19 | create_vibe | what does the * mean? |
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12:18.10 | gfather | plhardy :) loool |
12:18.29 | create_vibe | gsm seems to be locked up |
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12:30.07 | saracen | Do I need a special screwdriver to take the front cover off my freerunner? |
12:31.28 | mickeyl | yes |
12:31.29 | mickeyl | torx |
12:31.36 | mickeyl | 6 iirc |
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12:37.27 | shellevil | An axe, |
12:37.42 | mickeyl | or that, yes. |
12:37.49 | mickeyl | but only once... |
12:37.56 | shellevil | The exact right sizee of flat screwdriver can also work |
12:38.07 | shellevil | one that fits in the torx flutes |
12:40.13 | Weiss | a Nectar card works very well for levering the case off - just the right combination of springiness and firmness |
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12:42.43 | shellevil | haz fingernailz. |
12:43.34 | re-peat | after i took my two screws out... i threw them out ;) |
12:43.50 | re-peat | now i can open it anytime |
12:43.56 | re-peat | with just my fingers |
12:44.50 | saracen | Say I wanted to complete disassemble my freerunner, whats all the tools I'd need? :) |
12:44.54 | saracen | completely* |
12:45.17 | ndnihil | a dremel with a cutting wheel |
12:45.25 | cjb_ie | what do you mean by complete? |
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12:45.40 | gfather | re-peat i dont think that is safe :) |
12:45.46 | saracen | ha, in way of there being other weird screwdrivers I'm not likely to have |
12:45.52 | gfather | if it fels down , i think it will do more damege |
12:46.21 | saracen | I mean, I'm not saying I'm going to. But I dont want to have to order another tool down the road and pay more p&p. I'm cheap. |
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12:49.18 | shellevil | ebay has _lots_ of appropriate screwdrivers |
12:49.36 | shellevil | as they are pretty much the commonest size in mobile phones |
12:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | saracen: you need a torx6 -hat's all |
12:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | s/h/- th/ |
12:51.09 | saracen | Thanks guys :) |
12:53.54 | DocScrutinizer | finding a flat blade screwdriver that fits into the torx so snuggly you can open them is quite rare - chances to ruin the torx are high, so it's NOT recommended |
12:53.59 | shellevil | yeah |
12:54.46 | shellevil | however - modifying a slightly larger one is quite easy |
12:55.13 | shellevil | Though as always with screws - pressing harder will almost never damage the screw, but not pressing hard enough will |
12:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | shellevil: if you got the file, a screwdriver with *good* steel, lots of time and a skill to do metalworks. Then yes |
12:56.36 | re-peat | screw this |
12:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | then modding a flat driver is easy indeed |
12:56.54 | re-peat | oi joerg hows it hanging |
12:57.15 | DocScrutinizer | huh? |
12:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | sorry my colloquial English isn't up to par with this I guess |
13:00.16 | DocScrutinizer | s/up to/on a/ |
13:00.20 | DocScrutinizer | QED |
13:00.25 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
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13:19.51 | create_vibe | well I got the bars up but I can't seem to make a phone call |
13:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | create_vibe: ping ndnihil |
13:27.55 | create_vibe | oh well it's time for me to crash anyways |
13:27.59 | create_vibe | thanks for all the help |
13:28.01 | create_vibe | I'll be back :) |
13:29.22 | ndnihil | hrm? |
13:29.28 | ndnihil | sorry, watching high school girls stab each other |
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13:33.05 | mwester | bad neighborhood, huh? |
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13:33.39 | ndnihil | bad movie on hulu |
13:33.50 | ndnihil | good ending though, all the main characters died |
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14:43.53 | der-lehmann | any news on projekt B? |
14:44.54 | mickeyl | im Juni oder Juli dann |
14:44.59 | mickeyl | ggfs. auch erst später |
14:45.12 | CVirus | lame |
14:45.25 | CVirus | closedMoko |
14:45.36 | CVirus | MicroMoko |
14:45.40 | mickeyl | :D |
14:45.42 | CVirus | but not OpenMoko |
14:46.51 | mickeyl | since the new device will not be moko at all |
14:46.58 | mickeyl | i don't think it makes a difference ;) |
14:47.11 | mickeyl | well it's going to be 'mo' |
14:47.13 | mickeyl | but not 'ko' |
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14:48.01 | CVirus | mickeyl: stop it before you vioate your NDA :- |
14:48.02 | CVirus | :-p |
14:48.05 | CVirus | violate* |
14:48.20 | mickeyl | *nod* |
14:48.25 | mickeyl | i'm bound by that for 2 more years iirc |
14:48.36 | CVirus | hehe |
14:48.47 | mickeyl | i don't actually know whether it terminates when the company ceases to exist |
14:48.48 | mickeyl | hmm |
14:48.50 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
14:49.03 | CVirus | LOL |
14:49.17 | mwester | Most don't, if well written, at least in my experience. |
14:49.52 | mwester | The lawyers don't want anyone saying anything that would decrease the value of even a dead corporate carcass. |
14:49.58 | mickeyl | right |
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15:15.22 | alphaone | mickey|bbq: We should write a book about the openmoko experience :-) |
15:16.40 | mwester | would buy that book. |
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15:16.57 | Defiant- | would download it on piratebay |
15:16.58 | mwester | "The Soul of BrokenMoko" |
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15:18.37 | CVirus | LOL @ Defiant- |
15:18.50 | CVirus | this was just added to my favorite quotes on facebook |
15:18.54 | shellevil | fails parsing. |
15:19.06 | shellevil | I parsed that as 'Pi Rat eBay' |
15:19.15 | shellevil | which confused me |
15:19.34 | mwester | shows where you've been spending time online... too much shopping! |
15:19.37 | mwester | :D |
15:20.19 | Defiant- | <--outsider, never used ebay |
15:21.06 | mwester | wonders if Defiant- is independently wealthy then! |
15:21.16 | mwester | couldn't afford his hobby without eBay |
15:22.08 | Defiant- | get cheaper hobbys :D |
15:22.21 | mwester | I'm going to have to. |
15:22.51 | mwester | Either that or become a politician; they're the only people making money in this country anymore. |
15:23.16 | Defiant- | try working as manager of a bank |
15:23.31 | shellevil | mwester: I bought a really big bag of grass the other day. |
15:23.40 | shellevil | s/ss/ss seed/ |
15:23.41 | re-peat | hobbies are the first to go in a recession |
15:24.08 | mwester | shellevil: thanks for the clarification ;) |
15:24.13 | shellevil | And I'm bidding on a broken hedgetrimmer. |
15:24.19 | mwester | I have one of those. |
15:24.22 | re-peat | will end up getting a big bag of grass |
15:24.29 | mwester | I'm hoping oil and a file will fix it. |
15:24.32 | re-peat | happy easter |
15:24.46 | shellevil | And looking for some solar-thermal tubes in singles to play with. |
15:25.02 | shellevil | I want to try using them with mirrors, for added output. |
15:25.05 | mwester | also needs to fix his lawnmower. |
15:25.30 | Chocky | so you can use your FR to remote control it? |
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15:25.57 | mwester | No, so I can run the lawnmower OVER the gta0x's |
15:26.06 | shellevil | Also need to replace my breadmaker pan. |
15:26.18 | shellevil | Note to anyone with a breadmaker. |
15:26.29 | mwester | :) It's really quite astonishing how powerful the forces of entropy are... |
15:26.35 | shellevil | Making bread with a teaspoon in the mix does not do the anti-stick coating any good. |
15:26.43 | mwester | Ppphhhhht! |
15:29.38 | shellevil | It's annoying - no easy spares for this model, because it's about 5 years old. |
15:29.49 | shellevil | But it's a nice one with programmable times. |
15:30.22 | shellevil | So you can set it for 54 minutes warm, 5 minuted knead,, 45 minutes rise, 5 minutes knead, ... |
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15:31.46 | Raazeer | hi all, got a question regarding debian on freerunner. |
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15:32.42 | PaulFertser | Raazeer: go ahead |
15:32.45 | Raazeer | the fso-stage fails, it requests i install xserver-xorg-core, but then complains it conflicts with xserver-xorg-input-2 which I can't seem to opt-out |
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15:33.50 | PaulFertser | Raazeer: have you tried to install the packages you need manually? |
15:33.51 | Raazeer | adding "xserver-xorg-input-2-" in the FSO_PACKAGES variable doesn't seem to have any effect |
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15:34.10 | Raazeer | that doesn't seem to work either, it won't recognize apt-get |
15:34.20 | PaulFertser | Raazeer: also, there's a special openmoko debian IRC channel (sorry, i can't remember exactly) |
15:34.27 | Raazeer | though it uses it |
15:34.46 | Raazeer | I'll try to find it. |
15:35.01 | PaulFertser | Raazeer: try to remove xserver-xorg-core from the list? |
15:35.20 | re-peat | #openmoko-debian |
15:35.37 | Raazeer | then it complains about unmet dependencies of xserver-xorg-fbdev an some other starting with t... |
15:36.11 | Raazeer | xserver-xorg-tslib |
15:36.24 | re-peat | i recently installed neovento on my phone its debian based and flashable |
15:36.40 | re-peat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neovento |
15:36.44 | re-peat | i gotta say i love it |
15:37.03 | Raazeer | if I can't get Debian to work, I might as well try that |
15:37.15 | re-peat | least till that issue is fixed |
15:37.20 | Raazeer | but I'm kind of a debian-fan |
15:37.27 | Chocky | They keep chaing the name of it :p |
15:37.38 | Raazeer | that's fan with capital F. |
15:37.39 | Chocky | is working on an emdebian version, bit it's going slow |
15:37.42 | Raazeer | and A. |
15:37.50 | Raazeer | and N, for that matter^^ |
15:38.19 | PaulFertser | Raazeer: if some part of install.sh doesn't work, just install what you need by hand. You'll be able to install/configure xorg later (via ssh over usb). |
15:38.34 | re-peat | chroot in |
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15:38.46 | Raazeer | can I just skip the fso stage and do that later? |
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15:40.28 | PaulFertser | Raazeer: why not? All you need is to get a rootfs you'll be able to ssh to. |
15:40.55 | PaulFertser | Raazeer: read the script, you'll see what is really needed and what is not. |
15:41.04 | Raazeer | ok, if the guys over at openmoko-debian don't know more, I'll try that. |
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15:42.28 | PaulFertser | Raazeer: i installed debian on my freerunner by hand, following the script as the reference as at that time it didn't support Qi yet. |
15:42.35 | PaulFertser | Raazeer: was very easy. |
15:44.25 | Raazeer | hm. apparently they're all asleep over in -debian |
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15:46.32 | Raazeer | all rigtht, gonna do it manually later. |
15:46.41 | Raazeer | thanks for your help guys |
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16:10.42 | plhardy | i just discovers that uSDcard is not a MTD device even if it contains a flash chip. |
16:11.02 | lindi- | plhardy: yep |
16:11.18 | plhardy | for me it was so bvious that a microSD was just a flash device... |
16:11.29 | lindi- | plhardy: it has its own controller for the wear-leveling |
16:12.05 | plhardy | there are many good explanation, but i didn't know there was a problem then i didn't read solutions :-) |
16:12.20 | lindi- | problem? |
16:12.53 | plhardy | not really, i just undestrstand why my SHR didn't boot on my SDcard |
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16:13.11 | plhardy | just because i have to create a good ext2 system first |
16:14.05 | plhardy | for me jffs2 was just like ext2 or vfat, it is not, it is on top of MTD device and not on top of block device. |
16:14.36 | lindi- | plhardy: yep |
16:15.02 | plhardy | never too late to be smarter... |
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16:25.15 | transylvania | Hi, I'am trying to test android on the freerunner but I have some troubles: I made the env setup for big kernels, flash the neo with freerunner-v14.6-cupcake.jffs2 and tried uImage-v14.bin and v17 kernel but it don't seem to boot |
16:25.19 | transylvania | any clue ? |
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16:27.26 | Dave | Selig |
16:27.29 | Dave | pokes SeligArkin |
16:27.35 | SeligArkin | meows |
16:29.19 | plhardy | transylvania: i hava a working anrdoid on my sdcard, i installed Qi boot to replace bootloader and on sd card i created an ext2 parititon where i put all root content + image in /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin + ad append file /boot/append-GTA02 |
16:29.42 | plhardy | but i didn't install it in internal system |
16:30.45 | plhardy | root was androidfs-koolu-beta3.jffs2 |
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16:33.01 | transylvania | plhardy: I have read that installing on internal is better for performance |
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16:33.31 | plhardy | i was too shy to try :-) ( sorry i have to go now ) |
16:33.47 | transylvania | no problem |
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17:38.25 | slaxxer | hows the latest shr upstable working |
17:38.38 | wizkoder | hy everybody |
17:38.56 | slaxxer | im, still on 03252009 |
17:39.15 | slaxxer | hi |
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17:41.46 | b0ef | slaxxer: I'm getting alot of segfaults with EFL |
17:41.57 | b0ef | there should be a button to restart it |
17:42.11 | slaxxer | latest unstable? |
17:42.28 | b0ef | there's just a recover, which never works and a exit button, which leaves the screen black |
17:42.33 | b0ef | well, yeah, a few days ago |
17:42.57 | slaxxer | ok |
17:43.35 | bruce_c | b0ef: I've just built an image from shr-unstable and it seems to be running really well |
17:44.12 | b0ef | bruce_c: you've built it by compiling it? |
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17:44.18 | bruce_c | b0ef: yup |
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17:45.07 | bruce_c | and it seems to be the best install I've seen on this phone so far |
17:45.15 | b0ef | bruce_c: how long have you been running it for? |
17:45.49 | bruce_c | b0ef: just a few hours today, but I was previously seeing enlightenment crashing after just a few minutes |
17:46.24 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * re97515197ae1 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/abstract/mediator.py: |
17:46.24 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Fix logic to show the correct operator name |
17:46.24 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: This fixes a logic error in finding out the best operator name. Before |
17:46.24 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: the result from the SIM query would always be overwritten with the |
17:46.24 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: result from the network.tab. |
17:46.28 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Fixes a problem that was also exposed in FSO #375. |
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17:49.19 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * rf3c98ef999c3 10/tests/dtest/ (dbus_test.py tests/__init__.py): Add preliminary dtest infrastructurAdd preliminary dtest infrastructure |
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17:52.53 | b0ef | is there a catchall command to restart efl and friends? |
17:53.05 | b0ef | ..like something in init.d? |
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17:53.36 | lindi- | b0ef: isn't that like asking if there's a way to restart gtk? |
17:53.37 | bruce_c | b0ef: there should be an X11 script in init.d |
17:54.31 | b0ef | lindi-: right, I mean something like /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
17:55.00 | b0ef | bruce_c: xserver-nodm |
17:55.09 | bruce_c | b0ef: that's it |
17:55.22 | b0ef | I did a restart on that and got the same segfault;) |
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17:56.47 | b0ef | tried restarting frameworkd and then xserver-nodm, but still segfaults |
17:57.48 | b0ef | it's actually enlightenment segfault, btw |
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18:04.47 | eMBee | good evening |
18:05.39 | eMBee | just received a freerunner that was bought half a year ago, so it has a really old system installed |
18:05.50 | Dave | :P |
18:05.57 | eMBee | i am unable to make a backup or flash a new image. getting errors |
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18:06.18 | ndnihil | backups (by way of dfu) dont work with some versions of uboot |
18:06.20 | plhardy | eMBee: welcome to freerunner owners |
18:06.41 | plhardy | normaly there should be a usb net working |
18:06.51 | b0ef | national freerunner owners association |
18:06.54 | eMBee | yes, usb networking works |
18:07.18 | plhardy | eMBee: and does it has ssh connectivity ? |
18:07.21 | eMBee | i can log in, boot into nor, run dfu-util, etc... |
18:07.28 | eMBee | yes, ssh is fine |
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18:08.08 | eMBee | when trying a backup i don't get the amount of data i should be getting |
18:08.26 | plhardy | you try to run dfu-util wfrom wihtin the FR ? |
18:08.36 | eMBee | FR? |
18:08.43 | plhardy | Freerunner |
18:08.57 | eMBee | no, from another machine |
18:09.33 | plhardy | what is the error when trying a backup ? |
18:09.59 | eMBee | No such Alternate Setting: "rootfs" |
18:10.00 | plhardy | in fact if you have usb net working that mean you go to far, since dfu works withn the u-boopt |
18:10.10 | plhardy | too far. |
18:10.42 | plhardy | dfu tools works when freerunner iis in u-boot |
18:10.48 | eMBee | no, i got that right, ssh works only if i fully boot, i am running dfu while in the NOR boot menu |
18:11.01 | plhardy | after it switch the usb connection to a usb net one once system is started |
18:11.27 | plhardy | No such alternate setting... uhm |
18:11.30 | b0ef | is opkg update supposed to work? |
18:11.34 | b0ef | * Failed to download http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4/Packages.gz, error 404 |
18:11.49 | bruce_c | b0ef: it works, but it fails to find/fetch the signatures |
18:12.06 | plhardy | some problem with MTD patrtionning or naming ? |
18:12.31 | b0ef | bruce_c: aiight, thanks |
18:12.54 | eMBee | hmm? |
18:13.02 | bruce_c | eMBee: you're running this on x86 linux, right? |
18:13.11 | eMBee | yes |
18:13.30 | eMBee | (an olpc xo running fedora 9) |
18:13.44 | ndnihil | eMBee: what error do you get when trying to write to flash? |
18:13.58 | bruce_c | does dfu-util -l show "USB Device Firmware Upgrade"? |
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18:14.13 | plhardy | <PROTECTED> |
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18:15.06 | plhardy | are kernel , u-boot , splash working and only rootfs failing ? |
18:15.28 | eMBee | the same: No such Alternate Setting: |
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18:16.02 | eMBee | neither kernel nor rootfs work, didn't try u-boot yet |
18:16.07 | plhardy | do you a NAND u-boot ? |
18:16.22 | plhardy | do you -have- |
18:16.27 | ndnihil | are you going this from NOR or NAND uboot menu? |
18:16.42 | plhardy | ( i am really tired with my fingers tonight ) |
18:17.08 | plhardy | NAND might by more recent... |
18:17.46 | eMBee | i am trying this while in NOR, but i can boot into NAND |
18:18.09 | plhardy | if you can boot it NAND try it from NAND |
18:18.18 | eMBee | ok |
18:20.11 | eMBee | gives the same no alternate setting error |
18:20.23 | bruce_c | eMBee: dfu-util -l ? |
18:20.43 | eMBee | Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=21, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
18:20.48 | bruce_c | ok |
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18:21.48 | ndnihil | are you plugged into a USB hub? or straight into the PC? |
18:21.56 | eMBee | directly |
18:22.58 | b0ef | hmm, I thought that when I downloaded the shr-unstable image some days ago, it was pretty up to date, but after opkg-upgrade has been running for 10 minutes now, I wonder..? |
18:23.00 | plhardy | can blocks have another name than rootfs ... ? |
18:23.24 | ndnihil | they can, but wouldnt it have to be defined in the uboot env? |
18:24.21 | plhardy | is there a way to dump u-boot settings from dfu-utils ? |
18:24.22 | eMBee | u-boot version is 1.3.2-rc2-dirty-moko12 (apr 2 2008) |
18:24.44 | plhardy | it's is because it is dirty, you should clean it :-) |
18:24.54 | plhardy | (sorry) |
18:25.14 | eMBee | :-) well, the nor version is the same without dirty |
18:25.20 | kinneh | eMBee: hi you also got a moko ? |
18:25.43 | eMBee | kinneh: fancy seeing you here, yes a friend gave me one to play with |
18:25.57 | kinneh | oh nice, I got a gta01 |
18:26.05 | kinneh | running shr testing |
18:27.19 | PaulFertser | eMBee: if you're trying to read data _from_ freerunner via dfu, then you need to use a recent u-boot, there was a bug preventing this from working. |
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18:27.54 | PaulFertser | eMBee: so NOR u-boot is not an option for performing a back up. |
18:28.00 | eMBee | well, first of all the problem is that the names kerneel,rootfs etc don't work |
18:28.37 | eMBee | i considered updating u-boot, if i knew which alt setting to use |
18:29.00 | plhardy | eMBee: you might just dump mtd partitions ? no sure how to proceed like scp /dev/mtd... to your host ... |
18:29.03 | PaulFertser | eMBee: to update u-boot (or flash Qi), you need to boot into NOR and use "-a u-boot" setting. |
18:29.03 | ndnihil | have you tried specifying the -d arg to dfu-util? |
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18:29.53 | PaulFertser | eMBee: and yes, as ndnihil suggesting it might be an issue of having another dfu-capable device in the system, you might want to specify the freerunner explicitly. |
18:30.22 | bruce_c | wouldn't the listing have shown it? |
18:30.26 | eMBee | PaulFertser; read the chatlog: i keep getting No such Alternate Setting: errors |
18:30.29 | ndnihil | eh longshot, if only the one is showing up with a -l |
18:30.43 | ndnihil | but worth trying at any rate to be sure |
18:30.43 | thrashold | How can I ensure that my Neo1973 phone is drawing 500 mA from the USB port? (Debian) |
18:30.47 | PaulFertser | eMBee: i've read about it, but i can't (yet?) guess what's going on wrong. |
18:31.07 | eMBee | well, i am using the -d argument because for reading dfu otherwise tries to access 0000:0000 |
18:31.09 | b0ef | bruce_c: it segfaults, too |
18:31.10 | b0ef | Downloading http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-unstable/ipk//om-gta02/kernel-module-ip6t-reject_2.6.28-oe1+gitr119783+901d73fe51f33032b34b2ae5612eb863ec90532a-r3.1_om-gta02.ipk |
18:31.12 | b0ef | Segmentation fault |
18:31.22 | ndnihil | have you tried it without? |
18:31.37 | ndnihil | er, yes I suppose you have if you know its trying to access 0000:0000 |
18:31.47 | ndnihil | does it error when doing so? |
18:31.48 | eMBee | yes, get the same no alt error too |
18:31.49 | bruce_c | doesn't linux have a usb config utility to list the interfaces? |
18:32.00 | plhardy | http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/11/6/4073764 |
18:32.15 | plhardy | eMBee: what version of dfu-tuil do you run ? |
18:32.17 | eMBee | lsusb lists the devices |
18:32.35 | thrashold | chrcur is 575, chrmode is pre, chgstate is "fast_enebled present error" |
18:32.39 | eMBee | the one from downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.9/dfu-util |
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18:33.24 | plhardy | i installed this provided with ubuntu... |
18:33.38 | PaulFertser | eMBee: iirc when you try to just list the devices, u-boot can show as a single device, without alternate names. And upon uploading dfu-util sends some special commands to switch modes first and then to access alternate. |
18:33.47 | ndnihil | what does -V return? |
18:33.59 | ndnihil | I'm using 0.1+svn4160 with great success |
18:34.19 | eMBee | PaulFertser: yes, i gathered that, and once i even managed to see that list |
18:34.31 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: that's right - dfu-util switches it into DFU mode then does a USB reset |
18:34.57 | eMBee | ndnihil: i got 0.1+svn4160 |
18:35.07 | eMBee | same then |
18:35.11 | ndnihil | hrm |
18:35.20 | PaulFertser | eMBee: any idea why dfu-util finds 0000:0000 without -d? It doesn't look right, can it influence somehow? |
18:35.36 | eMBee | i have no clue |
18:36.18 | ndnihil | you're doing this as root, correct? |
18:36.24 | eMBee | yes |
18:36.35 | ndnihil | sorry, had to ask |
18:36.40 | eMBee | :-0 |
18:37.36 | ndnihil | tell us more about the PC side, could it have a crippled USB bus in some way? |
18:37.56 | eMBee | hmm, no idea, it's an olpc xo |
18:38.05 | eMBee | i could try another machine... |
18:38.07 | ndnihil | hrm, the $100 thing? |
18:38.16 | eMBee | yup |
18:38.25 | ndnihil | try a full workstation/laptop |
18:38.43 | bruce_c | dmesg doesn't show any warnings/errors? |
18:38.52 | ndnihil | I almost ordered a couple of those, but had serious doubts about the quality of the hardware for that price |
18:39.38 | bruce_c | b0ef: fantastic. I had opkg segfaulting for a while, not good that you can't even install software :/ |
18:39.50 | eMBee | no dmesg errors from what i can tell |
18:40.10 | eMBee | ndnihil:the xo hardware is quite good as far as i can tell |
18:40.28 | ndnihil | it's $100, it can't be -that- good ;) |
18:40.48 | ndnihil | you have to compromise somewhere along the line |
18:40.54 | PaulFertser | eMBee: 0000:0000 looks like some strange host issue to me. |
18:41.37 | ndnihil | I doubt they considered kids in namibia would attempt to program firmware |
18:44.40 | eMBee | hmm, plugged into my other laptop i now get a list of 7 things all with the expected names |
18:44.59 | ndnihil | 7 DFU devices? |
18:45.03 | eMBee | yes |
18:45.12 | ndnihil | sounds like quite the toybox |
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18:45.30 | eMBee | hmm? |
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18:46.21 | ndnihil | does writing work on your laptop? |
18:46.45 | eMBee | hold on, i accidently booted the phone |
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18:48.19 | b0ef | bruce_c: ran it again and it completed; hope it runs when I reboot;) |
18:48.58 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: yes, it looks like 7 distinct devices (all have different names), you select the device you need with "-a" setting. |
18:49.22 | ndnihil | I only get one device |
18:50.45 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: you only get one device until it's forced into DFU mode. |
18:50.53 | ndnihil | ah |
18:52.38 | ndnihil | hrm, marvell libertas 88w8386 |
18:52.41 | ndnihil | never heard of it |
18:52.47 | eMBee | ok, reading appears to work now |
18:53.01 | ndnihil | (the USB chipset on the xo1) |
18:54.01 | ndnihil | oh wait, that's wifi hanging off the USB |
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18:55.03 | ndnihil | I do see mention that the xo1 usb is forced into low speed mode to save power in some cases |
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18:58.36 | PierreN | hi |
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19:00.10 | PierreN | i'm trying to build openmoko on my debian system to try openmoko with qemu. I'm following this : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU but when i run openmoko/download.sh |
19:00.22 | PierreN | i can't find a Kernel |
19:00.24 | PierreN | it says |
19:00.31 | PierreN | <PROTECTED> |
19:00.31 | PierreN | <PROTECTED> |
19:00.31 | PierreN | <PROTECTED> |
19:00.50 | PierreN | and then nothing... does anyone know how to solve this please ? |
19:01.12 | eMBee | ok i guess i am stuck working with that other laptop then, i was hoping to keep everything with the xo since that isthe machine i carry around with me |
19:01.27 | ndnihil | so it works with the other machine? |
19:01.41 | eMBee | but then i am not going to flash the phone that often |
19:01.57 | eMBee | reading seems to work, so i am making image backups now and then i'll tryflashing |
19:02.25 | ndnihil | well, if it's reading, it made it past the bit where it couldnt find the alternate tag |
19:02.34 | eMBee | yes |
19:02.35 | PaulFertser | eMBee: and btw you can flash NAND from inside a running system (boot from uSD). |
19:02.40 | ndnihil | so I'd guess writing will work |
19:03.12 | eMBee | PaulFertser: ah, good to know |
19:04.06 | PaulFertser | eMBee: and in fact all flashing i did in my life is bootloader flashing (debugging Qi). I hope you won't need to do it too often. I just run from uSD all the time. |
19:05.51 | PierreN | any help please ? |
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19:06.59 | TeLLuS | <PROTECTED> |
19:08.03 | eMBee | ok, getting therootfs will take a while, thanks for the help |
19:08.17 | ndnihil | glad it was something simple |
19:08.54 | PierreN | TeLLuS: do you know which image should i choose please ? |
19:11.00 | TeLLuS | PierreN: Then put in exit 0 in a line before . openmoko/env in file build/qemu/openmoko/download.sh Image.. well I get u-boat to work but I fail loading linux.. But one step at a time.. |
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19:13.20 | thrashold | Hm, I hope I manage to upgrade the software on my phone soon... The battery got exhausted 5 times today while I was trying to do so... :D |
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19:14.02 | ndnihil | thrashold: er, the USB cable should power it |
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19:14.45 | thrashold | ndnihil: I thought so. However, at some point the phone just switches off, and I have to charge it for a hour or so, until it can boot again. |
19:15.05 | ndnihil | if I'm not mistaken, it wont charge unless it's booted |
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19:15.37 | thrashold | Now it did reboot instead of switch off, I took the battery out to stop qtopia from booting, and now it won't boot again :) |
19:15.52 | ndnihil | it wont boot from USB power |
19:15.56 | ndnihil | it needs the battery for boot |
19:16.10 | ndnihil | doesnt provide enough current for powerup |
19:16.13 | thrashold | Yup, so I'm waiting for it to charge again.. |
19:16.19 | ndnihil | s/doesnt/usb doesnt/ |
19:16.23 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
19:16.33 | ndnihil | how are you charging it, if it wont boot? |
19:16.48 | thrashold | Well, it should be charging at 100 mA now |
19:17.00 | thrashold | While it's off |
19:17.24 | TeLLuS | PierreN: And edit the env file to match the filenames you download.. |
19:18.21 | ndnihil | that's the thing, I remember reading somewhere that the battery wont charge (in the phone) unless it has booted |
19:18.36 | slaxxer | change to a newer os |
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19:23.15 | TeLLuS | PierreN: What filenames to download.. This and other u-boot for gta01 load fine. qi do not work here, only a real device.. http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/daily/om-gta01/20090411/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+gitr650149a53dbdd48bf6dfef90930c8ab182adb512-r1.bin |
19:25.03 | blokkie_ | are a lot of apps beeing ported to the moko ? |
19:25.09 | blokkie_ | is it difficult ? |
19:25.44 | ndnihil | you can cross compile pretty much anything you'll need, within hardware restrictions anyway |
19:26.00 | slaxxer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications |
19:26.10 | blokkie_ | so .. ipk's are not realy needed ? |
19:26.12 | PaulFertser | blokkie_: moreover, almost all debian apps are available. |
19:26.28 | blokkie_ | ok cool :) |
19:26.36 | blokkie_ | did not know all this :) |
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19:34.44 | eMBee | hmm, backup of rootfs ends with dfu_upload error -84, but the resulting image is 258076672 bytes, that seems to be the right size |
19:35.13 | ndnihil | backing up requires a new'ish uboot |
19:35.45 | ndnihil | writing to the device works fine though |
19:35.56 | eMBee | we,, thebackup did seem to have worked though, unless the data i got is all rubbish :-) |
19:36.14 | eMBee | i'll flash u-boot now and then get the kernel again, see if it is any different |
19:36.28 | ndnihil | try flashing kernel and rootfs before flashing uboot |
19:36.58 | eMBee | if i do that i can't back up the old kernel with the new u-boot |
19:36.59 | ndnihil | screwing up uboot would suck, while screwing up kernel and rootfs is not a big deal |
19:37.16 | ndnihil | you can tar everything up on the phone and transfer it |
19:37.21 | ndnihil | scp |
19:37.29 | ndnihil | or pipe it through netcat |
19:37.31 | ndnihil | etc.. |
19:38.16 | eMBee | hmm |
19:38.34 | slaxxer | why to backup filesys anywayss something important? |
19:38.54 | ndnihil | true, I didn't bother backing up the original image on the phone when I got it |
19:39.10 | slaxxer | or just an exercize |
19:40.19 | eMBee | it's more of an exercize. since its not my phone |
19:42.01 | blokkie_ | when will htere be a new version of OM 2008.12 ? |
19:42.06 | eMBee | what damage can messing up the u-bootflashing do? i understand that i boot into NOR and flash NAND, NOR shouldremain as is soi should be able to repeat as often as i want... |
19:42.18 | shellevil | none really |
19:42.32 | shellevil | you can't mess it up without the debug board past all hope of recovery. |
19:42.58 | shellevil | (well, you can in principle flash u-boot/Qi >1000 times, and break the initial block of flash) |
19:43.02 | shellevil | Don't do that. |
19:43.09 | eMBee | lol, sure |
19:43.43 | slaxxer | unless its a neo 1973 |
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19:46.05 | eMBee | here goes nothing... |
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19:46.58 | eMBee | new u-boot in nand running |
19:48.51 | slaxxer | /usr/share/applications |
19:49.11 | eMBee | both old and new kernel backup are identical, looks ok... |
19:49.14 | slaxxer | this is where all desktop icons are located? |
19:49.30 | slaxxer | on shr? |
19:49.46 | eMBee | will skip testing another rootfs backup... |
19:50.18 | slaxxer | i have all these settings icons all over my desktop:( |
19:50.59 | slaxxer | or maybe they are ust linked |
19:51.03 | slaxxer | j |
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19:53.25 | thrashold | Ah, damn. Again, I boot up my phone, choose my SD card from the boot menu... and after a minute qtopia has booted from the flash. I take the battery out, boot from my SD card again, fsck finds errors, reboots and I'm in Qtopia again. :D I should take the award for most injuries I've done to my hands while trying to boot my phone :D |
19:54.31 | thrashold | (Of course, the phone didn't boot at the end, because the battery ended before the fifth try :D ) |
19:55.06 | spydon | hej hopp negersnopp |
19:55.34 | PaulFertser | blokkie_: never |
19:56.34 | eMBee | can't wait to actually have some software on this thing... |
20:03.54 | blokkie_ | PaulFertser: how come ? |
20:04.58 | PaulFertser | blokkie_: ASU was a dead-end. Qtopia-on-x wasn't the solution. |
20:05.00 | blokkie_ | PaulFertser: looking at the mailinglist I've seen that somebody is working on the 2009 version |
20:05.28 | blokkie_ | PaulFertser: what can be expected then ? What is the other solution ? |
20:05.32 | PaulFertser | blokkie_: it bears no resemblance to om2008, completely different. |
20:06.07 | PaulFertser | blokkie_: om2009 will be OE + FSO + Paroli. You can try Paroli even now, either from unstable images Angus builds or install it manually on SHR. |
20:07.07 | blokkie_ | oh , I'll wait .. I've just bought the toy . I'll need to get used to it a bit more. But I'm happy people are working on a new om2009 version |
20:07.31 | blokkie_ | thx PaulFertser |
20:07.42 | PaulFertser | blokkie_: you're welcome. |
20:07.56 | eMBee | yay, new image booted |
20:08.25 | blokkie_ | who is Franky Van Liedekerke ? |
20:08.36 | blokkie_ | Coz I live 3 km from Liedekerke :) |
20:09.22 | plhardy | and you live in a Van ? |
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20:09.40 | blokkie_ | van == from in duthc :) |
20:09.58 | Dave | hahahaha |
20:10.13 | slaxxer | dave has more injuries |
20:10.17 | plhardy | ( yes i know, i can't reain miyself to do stupid jokes ) |
20:10.27 | Dave | :D |
20:10.32 | Dave | dwaze |
20:10.55 | blokkie_ | ls |
20:11.15 | PaulFertser | ls: not found |
20:11.27 | PaulFertser | That's your nightmare! |
20:11.39 | Dave | :D |
20:11.42 | Dave | omfg |
20:11.44 | Dave | rootkit? |
20:12.07 | slaxxer | fdisk |
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20:12.15 | blokkie | voila |
20:12.25 | blokkie | at least now I'm regged |
20:12.33 | Dave | o.O |
20:12.38 | eMBee | hmm, that is not nice, the new image seems to not be able to recover from sleep mode |
20:13.03 | PaulFertser | eMBee: what image are you trying? |
20:13.11 | slaxxer | dave u have shr? |
20:13.21 | eMBee | http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.12/ |
20:14.32 | PaulFertser | eMBee: bee-eep. Wrong. |
20:14.45 | eMBee | huh? |
20:14.52 | slaxxer | /usr/share/applications shows some icons ,,yet the extra settings icons dont show there |
20:14.58 | Dave | What you want? |
20:15.14 | slaxxer | are they linked or something/ |
20:15.41 | slaxxer | i want to remove all these extra settings icons from desktop |
20:15.53 | slaxxer | 8-9 of them |
20:16.08 | eMBee | PaulFertser: what's wrong? |
20:16.13 | PaulFertser | eMBee: om2008.x is dead |
20:16.18 | PaulFertser | eMBee: using it is wrong :) |
20:16.31 | slaxxer | use shr |
20:16.36 | eMBee | well, it isstill listed as the latest official image on the wiki |
20:16.40 | slaxxer | debian |
20:16.47 | TAsn | eMBee, even the wiki can't keep up |
20:16.59 | TAsn | with the speed om switches official images ;] |
20:17.08 | eMBee | heh |
20:17.11 | slaxxer | i like om 2008.12 also |
20:17.14 | PaulFertser | eMBee: it's still latest "stable" "official" image, true. But it never made sense. |
20:17.20 | blokkie | you all use QI instead of u-boot ? |
20:17.25 | slaxxer | no |
20:17.32 | TAsn | blokkie, I do. |
20:17.40 | slaxxer | unless u dont want it to wake up |
20:17.58 | blokkie | TAsn: what is your biggest reason to use it instead of u-boot ? |
20:18.19 | slaxxer | had qi unsuspending for a very shortr time |
20:18.20 | TAsn | blokkie, easy to configure |
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20:18.38 | TAsn | and just tested it and was glad. |
20:18.54 | TAsn | furthermore the moko boots fast with it. |
20:18.57 | TAsn | night. |
20:19.04 | blokkie | *night* |
20:19.22 | slaxxer | may depend on your device |
20:19.23 | bruce_c | got to keep users guessing, eh? |
20:20.10 | slaxxer | i know thats been the case for as long an i been around here |
20:22.04 | slaxxer | all i know is that something is said then not very long afterwards it changes ,, kinda like the weather here |
20:23.10 | eMBee | PaulFertser:sowhich image do you recommend? |
20:23.12 | PaulFertser | Don't like the weather? Well, have a patience, wait for 15 minutes! |
20:23.30 | bruce_c | eMBee: SHR seems to be what people are using around here |
20:23.34 | PaulFertser | eMBee: either the latest unstable OM2009 image (Paroli) or SHR. |
20:23.37 | slaxxer | u guys need a set of judges since u dont want to have a dictator like Pat V. |
20:23.40 | PaulFertser | eMBee: or Debian. |
20:24.17 | thrashold | Hm, I think I got why my phone behaves like this. The charging is "fast_cccv" in Qtopia, and "pre" in Debian :/ |
20:24.51 | slaxxer | maybe the kustomizer script if u wanna test since u have 2008.12 on currently |
20:24.53 | bruce_c | eMBee: SHR seems to be best for using it as a phone: I found even things like shutting down didn't work on Debian |
20:25.18 | bruce_c | it kept popping up a grid of buttons and then clicking on them didn't do anything |
20:25.24 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: hm, works for me. Worked all the time (except when i was using some old kernel). |
20:25.41 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: i mean shutting down via "shutdown -h now" |
20:25.55 | Defiant- | bruce_c: shutdown works fine |
20:26.00 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: shutting down via commandline worked. But who wants to launch a terminal just to shut down? |
20:26.04 | slaxxer | <PROTECTED> |
20:26.18 | Defiant- | bruce_c: shutdown via o-p-p also works fine |
20:26.41 | bruce_c | on SHR I just click the close button on Illume and it gives me the option of powering off. Nice and simple |
20:26.46 | eMBee | how unstable is paroli? |
20:26.48 | bruce_c | Defiant-: o-p-p? |
20:26.55 | Defiant- | bruce_c: openmoko-panel-plugin |
20:26.59 | bruce_c | ah |
20:27.04 | PaulFertser | eMBee: can't say for sure. Not as mature as SHR certainly. |
20:27.17 | PaulFertser | eMBee: both are using FSO as middleware btw. |
20:27.23 | kinneh | eMBee: shr will include paroli when it's ready |
20:27.49 | eMBee | ok, so shr seems to be the preffered option then |
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20:28.01 | slaxxer | yup |
20:28.13 | TAsn | kinneh, who said that? |
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20:28.42 | PaulFertser | TAsn: why not include Paroli? |
20:28.50 | kinneh | TAsn: I've read that on the shr somewhere, but dont shoot me I could be wrong |
20:28.54 | slaxxer | 03252008 works great an doesnt have all these damn settings icons all over the place |
20:29.01 | TAsn | PaulFertser, python is slow on the moko |
20:29.03 | eMBee | om2008.12 seems to hang when sleeping while connected to usb |
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20:29.46 | TAsn | and I honestly, I don't see Ainulindale giving up on libframeworkphonegui anytime soon ;] |
20:30.16 | slaxxer | 04092009 shr unstable works ok though |
20:30.19 | PaulFertser | TAsn: paroli starts only once. And SHR have python installed anyway. I'm not talking about giving up anything. I'm about giving a choice. |
20:30.40 | TAsn | PaulFertser, oh, a choice. |
20:30.43 | blokkie | is fdom still active ? |
20:30.46 | TAsn | I'm talking about default. |
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20:31.37 | TAsn | well, everything using the framework is actually fine with me. now for real, night... ;] |
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20:33.44 | slaxxer | when they do come out with the "next" os im ready |
20:34.06 | slaxxer | 09092009 |
20:34.50 | slaxxer | random non liscence plate # |
20:35.09 | blokkie | *night* TAsn :) |
20:36.21 | bruce_c | shouldn't that be 20090909 ? |
20:36.21 | lstor | Hello, I'm having problems ssh-ing into my FR running Om 2008.12. I can ping it using 'ping -I usb0 192.168.0.202', but 'ssh root@192.168.0.202' (as described on wiki/USB_Networking) tells me "No route to host". I can't seem to find any help on the mailing list, and ssh's man page doesn't help me out either. Anyone have any ideas? |
20:36.23 | Dave | ;D |
20:36.50 | PaulFertser | lstor: pastebin "route -n" output. |
20:37.04 | PaulFertser | lstor: and "ifconfig usb0" |
20:37.20 | slaxxer | reboot atleast 1 time? |
20:37.42 | PaulFertser | slaxxer: "No route to host" |
20:37.46 | blokkie | PaulFertser: who is working on paroli ? |
20:37.54 | PaulFertser | blokkie: mirko-paroli :) |
20:38.03 | blokkie | only one person ? |
20:38.37 | blokkie | it looks like heavy usage of EFL , is rasterman helping ? |
20:38.42 | PaulFertser | blokkie: only one still sponsored by OM, not long ago i guess Charlie helped him. And he hopes community will help him. |
20:38.52 | lstor | PaulFertser: http://rafb.net/p/7ZX5Rq54.html |
20:39.02 | PaulFertser | blokkie: raster helps everybody when he has time |
20:39.12 | blokkie | yeah |
20:39.56 | PaulFertser | lstor: conflicting network addresses. Both eth0 and usb0 are 192.168.0.0/24 |
20:40.34 | PaulFertser | lstor: route del -net 192.168.0.0 eth0 (or smth like that) should do the trick. |
20:41.15 | PaulFertser | lstor: sudo of course. |
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20:44.37 | blokkie | PaulFertser: besides Paroli , you said it would run on EO + ??? |
20:44.57 | blokkie | is just reading the paroli docs and hello world stuff |
20:45.12 | lstor | PaulFertser: Hmm, I get 'SIOCDELRT: Invalid argument', even though the man page seems to confirm the syntax. From playing around with it a bit, it seems that the '-net' part is the offender |
20:45.49 | lstor | -v doesn't give any additional information |
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20:48.18 | PaulFertser | blokkie: OpenEmbedded, a bit gentoo-like system to build distributions. |
20:48.58 | blokkie | and what was the third ? |
20:49.26 | lstor | PaulFertser: Never mind, got it |
20:49.30 | lstor | PaulFertser: Just had to supply netmask too |
20:50.00 | PaulFertser | blokkie: FSO, freesmarphone.org |
20:50.07 | lstor | PaulFertser: So, thanks :) |
20:50.12 | PaulFertser | lstor: got it working? |
20:50.34 | lstor | PaulFertser: Yup :) |
20:51.12 | PaulFertser | lstor: i wonder why you have that extra route in the first place. |
20:51.12 | badcloud | which kernel would you guys recommend for 2008.12? hopefully stable and with working wifi |
20:52.13 | lstor | PaulFertser: Probably left there after trying to get it all working. It took a while before I figured that I had to reboot the FR |
20:52.57 | PaulFertser | lstor: you could probably execute some relevant ifconfig command on FR itself without rebooting. |
20:54.39 | bruce_c | it seems the build system is very linux-centric. Should I just give up and run it on linux, or is there an interest in getting in working on non-linux systems? |
20:54.50 | blokkie | badcloud: you don't have usb-network disconnection in 2008.12 when it go's into sleep mode ? |
20:55.09 | badcloud | I do |
20:55.13 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: ask mickey|bbq , i guess he'll be interested. |
20:55.20 | badcloud | incidently, wiki.openmoko.org is down |
20:55.24 | blokkie | badcloud: me too , I have now SHR |
20:55.39 | badcloud | I find SHR to be soooooooooooooo slow |
20:56.23 | blokkie | you use u-boot or QI ? |
20:56.42 | badcloud | qi, always |
20:57.07 | blokkie | I use u-boot |
20:57.41 | badcloud | anyone know any om 2008.12 image mirrors? |
20:57.43 | blokkie | slaxxer said the suspend does not work , can you confirm this ? |
20:57.51 | badcloud | why, blokkie? |
20:57.57 | blokkie | dunno |
20:58.07 | blokkie | slaxxer: I can but the images online if you want ? |
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20:58.22 | blokkie | err badcloud :) |
20:58.47 | badcloud | I'm trying to download the 2008.12 jffs release file |
20:59.22 | slaxxer | bytestore has a good image |
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21:01.13 | slaxxer | http://openmoko.spb.ru/download/file.php?id=13 |
21:01.23 | slaxxer | well |
21:01.40 | slaxxer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Bytestore |
21:02.00 | badcloud | neither are responding |
21:02.08 | slaxxer | build 2008.12 11012009 |
21:02.27 | slaxxer | second 1 does |
21:03.52 | badcloud | neither for me... |
21:05.36 | slaxxer | alrightythen |
21:06.23 | badcloud | thanks though |
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21:12.21 | badcloud | k, got it |
21:12.23 | badcloud | thanks |
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21:19.54 | Dave | :] |
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21:23.44 | slaxxer | dave how do i remove unwantes settings icons from shr desktop? |
21:24.00 | kinneh | jow |
21:24.35 | kinneh | isn't this correct to accomplish kernel on nand and rootfs on mmc part2 ? |
21:24.37 | kinneh | setenv menu_9 Boot from nand rootfs on sd: setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} rootfstype=ext2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=5 \${mtdparts}\; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel; bootm 0x32000000 |
21:28.48 | Dave | :o |
21:32.31 | PaulFertser | kinneh: You can do that, why not. |
21:33.51 | PaulFertser | kinneh: don't forget about the trick to boot kernels >2M if you need it. |
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21:57.17 | blokkie | how is android on the neo ? |
21:58.03 | lindi- | blokkie: doesn't know how to cope with bugs of calypso afaik |
21:58.38 | blokkie | what is calypso ? |
21:58.46 | kinneh | the problem was the ; after kernel wasn't escaped |
21:59.01 | lindi- | blokkie: the gsm chip |
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22:00.29 | blokkie | so it would be "bold" to just even try androind on neo I guess |
22:00.42 | lindi- | blokkie: bold in what way? |
22:00.47 | blokkie | s/androind/android/ |
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22:04.04 | blokkie | anyone see advantages in having a archlinux + paroli available ? |
22:04.23 | blokkie | *distro* |
22:04.43 | mwester | is of the opinion that one of theproblem with the Om devices is _too many_ distros. |
22:05.18 | blokkie | takes note of this statement :) |
22:05.20 | lindi- | is of the opinion that upstream should produce software and distros should package it :) |
22:07.26 | blokkie | but if all of linux software "can" run on neo .. what does upstream still have to do ? |
22:07.47 | lindi- | blokkie: upstream just has to make their software easy to package |
22:08.00 | shellevil | A coherent user interface |
22:08.06 | shellevil | usable by fingers |
22:08.22 | blokkie | s/fingers/finger/ |
22:08.24 | lindi- | blokkie: we need to cope with the bugs of the gsm chip if we want reliable calls :) |
22:08.41 | shellevil | While you can run xfig on the phone, it probably won't really work well. |
22:08.57 | mwester | And deal with the fluid, constantly-changing kernel API to manage the various bits of hardware. |
22:09.05 | blokkie | lindi-: you mean with upstream == kernel dev ? |
22:09.13 | lindi- | blokkie: for example |
22:09.50 | blokkie | who\how many kernel developers are working on the neo ? |
22:09.53 | mwester | "Ah, it's 2.6.29-rc3 -- so use this sysfs node, unless the kernel is git id 98683098657893478967983478, then use this other sysfs node, and if its 2985798235789237985982958237 then no node work, so instead......." |
22:10.20 | blokkie | yuck :S |
22:10.21 | lindi- | mwester: i have a script to detect this on bootup ;) |
22:10.29 | lindi- | mwester: and cache the results |
22:10.30 | mwester | lindi-: I have a better solution. |
22:10.42 | lindi- | mwester: yeah? |
22:10.59 | mwester | lindi-: Now that Om no longer has any developers, we can take charge of the kernel, and do it correctly. |
22:11.12 | mwester | A) make it work. |
22:11.17 | mwester | B) test that it works. |
22:11.22 | mwester | C) let the distros use it. |
22:11.50 | mwester | D) consider changing the API if all distros require it, and if upstream requires it, and if one really wishes to bother pushing stuff upstream. |
22:12.19 | lindi- | mwester: how about offering a userland tool that'll hide changing kernel api? |
22:12.25 | mwester | That's they way it should have been done to start with, but instead Andy went off all half-cocked on a raging ride to chase the upstream kernel. |
22:12.41 | lindi- | mwester: sysfs paths are pretty long to type to terminal anyway |
22:12.41 | mwester | lindi-: Why? |
22:12.57 | mwester | lindi-: that's wallpapering over a problem, what' the point? |
22:13.15 | lindi- | mwester: ok but it'd be useful for other purposes too |
22:13.21 | mwester | lindi-: And the sysfs stuff is one example. |
22:13.23 | lindi- | mwester: now everyone is writing their own scripts |
22:13.27 | mwester | Please don't assume that it's limited to sysfs. |
22:13.59 | mwester | We've had joy and fun with rfkill as well, and we've played the fun game of "what shall we make a module today?" |
22:14.08 | blokkie | so no kernel developers anymore to hunt down / fix HW chip problems in the linux kernel for our precious neo ? |
22:14.34 | mwester | We've enjoyed Andy leading on a trip down dumper lane to all do "Qi" for no reason at all, now it turns out... |
22:15.35 | mwester | In short, Om has wasted the majority of their developers time, and screwed the community, just because somebody thought pushing code upstream was the measure of success. And now we see that instead, the measure of success would have been a phone that worked! Surprise! :D |
22:16.36 | mwester | blokkie: There is one Om employee who works on the kernel. His stated goal is to push code upstream. We need to convince him that he should work to make the kernel function correctly as a priority, but I rather doubt that he will be convinced. |
22:18.24 | blokkie | is it that hard to make / fix a kernel when one has all the info about the hardware ? |
22:19.02 | lindi- | blokkie: we don't have all info actually. some is NDA'd. also it takes a lot of experience to do it |
22:19.09 | mwester | It is when you spend all your time merging your partially-completed work with the latest alpha and beta test kernel code. |
22:19.17 | blokkie | I would think it should be dificult to make something for a black-box. But this is not the caseere |
22:19.32 | blokkie | lindi-: I understand that completely |
22:19.38 | mwester | If Om had just stuck with the 2.6.26 kernel, it would have been done a long time ago. |
22:21.39 | mwester | Sigh - we _almost_ had everything working on 2.6.24 -- some glamo suspend/resume problems, and the wifi chip was a problem.... but Andy refused to work on the final glamo issues, instead claiming that 2.6.28 would have better support for it -- and in the end, he never did fix it, it was someone from the community who found the problem -- and discovered that it had nothgin to do with 26/28 at all. That was just all just a smoke-screen beca |
22:21.39 | mwester | use Andy had orders to work on GTA03 code in 2.6.28 kernels. |
22:21.56 | blokkie | I've worked 2 years for a company that build Satelite modems based on RedHat . The stuff was still running 2.2.19 when 2.4.19 was allready out. But they stayed with it and developed on it further. Not moving to the newer one. But that limited them implementing new stuff. So .. mwester you've got a very good point I think (NOTE: they went bankrupt - ) |
22:23.07 | blokkie | GTA03 == new NEO ? |
22:23.13 | mwester | Yes, there's a risk if you fall too far behind. But there's a huge difference between falling behind a few dot-dot versions, versus falling behind a couple of major versions. |
22:23.15 | blokkie | new chip .. ? |
22:23.38 | mwester | gta03 WAS the new hardware; it got cancelled. |
22:23.55 | mwester | So all the kernel-chasing, and the work on Qi turned out to be for nothing. |
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22:25.50 | lindi- | mwester: but wasn't the wifi stack rewrite something that we needed anyway? |
22:26.36 | mwester | debatable. |
22:26.54 | mwester | It worked, poorly, on 2.6.26. |
22:26.59 | mwester | But it did work. |
22:27.11 | lindi- | mwester: at least bug fixing a different sdio stack than mainline does not sound very useful |
22:27.38 | mwester | And given the choice of where we are right now (everything works, but works poorly) vs the alternative of everything except wifi working very well, I think I would rather have everything but wifi. |
22:27.51 | mwester | lindi-: Wrong thinking! |
22:28.06 | mwester | lindi-: bug fixing the old sdio stack would have been useful to the community. |
22:28.35 | lindi- | mwester: but more people would have been bug fixing the new sdio stack since it has more users? |
22:28.36 | mwester | Is the goal to put a driver for an obsolete product upstream, or is the goal to make the product work, while it is still a viable saleable product? |
22:28.53 | mwester | lindi-: I don't think any bugfixes to the sdio stack were done by anyone but Om. |
22:29.29 | lindi- | now those bug fixes at least can help somebody :-) |
22:29.32 | mwester | AFAIK, the interface for the wlan chip is unique. |
22:30.03 | mwester | I don't think they'll help anyone except those who have an AR6000 on a glamo. Know anyone doing that? |
22:30.20 | bruce_c | isn't the problem that the kernel is changing too quickly for external code to keep up, whether closed or open? |
22:30.33 | mwester | bruce_c is exactly correct. |
22:31.11 | mwester | The only viable strategy is to either use hardware that is already in mainline, or to get the hardware working in whatever is the current release and catch up later. |
22:32.09 | mwester | You cannot split development efforts for such a small company into bug-fixing, hardware bug chasing, and tracking -rc version of upstream kernels. There was no way Andy could be successful -- it is a credit to his skill that he did as well as he did. |
22:32.42 | mwester | (even though I didnt' get along with Andy, there's no doubt about his skill; the issue is really Om's management) |
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22:34.12 | wurp2 | Hello |
22:34.23 | wurp2 | Anyone running a recent-ish build on gta01? |
22:34.41 | mwester | A ghost from the past! |
22:34.58 | wurp2 | :-) |
22:35.04 | wurp2 | Hey mwester! |
22:35.13 | wurp2 | I just updated my 01 for the first time in ages |
22:35.18 | shellevil | vaguely remembers wurp2 |
22:35.22 | mwester | And I bet didn't work. |
22:35.23 | wurp2 | (updated it at the request of Julian) |
22:35.35 | wurp2 | mwester: right :-( |
22:35.50 | wurp2 | I can revert, but I would much prefer to find a recent version that does work |
22:35.56 | wurp2 | shellevil: Hi :-) |
22:36.07 | wurp2 | mwester: How have you been? |
22:36.11 | mwester | Yeah, nobody has worked on the gta01 recently. SHR is looking good, but Ainulindale took a break, and I got busy, and that's about all there is left of the gta01 developers |
22:36.19 | wurp2 | yeah |
22:36.43 | wurp2 | OK, I will back off to an earlier version |
22:36.52 | mwester | I still have the debug board on mine, and have been meaning to find out what's left in terms of the bugs in the latest kernel... |
22:37.04 | mwester | but it seems pointless when the old kernel works so well on it.:) |
22:37.17 | wurp2 | ah, do you happen to know what kernel you're using? |
22:37.30 | wurp2 | And if it should be expected to work with the latest rootfs from SHR? |
22:37.53 | mwester | (which goes back to the original discussion lindi- and I were having, about kernel APIs changing -- which is why people are wanting to upgrade the gta01 kernel, I suspect) |
22:38.05 | shellevil | wurp2: Not so great - mum died, and all the emotional and paperwork shit following on from that. But... |
22:38.05 | wurp2 | With the Apr 1 build of 2.6.28, I hang at "Starting kernel..." |
22:38.19 | wurp2 | shellevil: Oh fuck. I'm very very sorry to hear that |
22:38.23 | shellevil | needs to put something moderately recent on my GTA01. |
22:38.25 | mwester | I'm not using any kernel on the gta01 right now; it's been powered off for months. |
22:38.32 | wurp2 | mwester: O |
22:38.34 | wurp2 | damn |
22:38.35 | shellevil | ATM I've got a scaredycat image on it. |
22:38.39 | shellevil | wurp2: thanks |
22:39.03 | wurp2 | shellevil: Yeah, I used scaredycat exclusively before SHR |
22:39.19 | mwester | I'll take a look at the kernel this week, I'm sort of being forced to get back to it anyway) |
22:39.27 | wurp2 | shellevil: Do you know what kernel? If it's at all recent, that is. |
22:39.37 | shellevil | Very not. |
22:39.41 | shellevil | most of a year old |
22:39.46 | wurp2 | mwester: OK, I'll back off a revision & see how that looks |
22:40.05 | wurp2 | shellevil: Ah, OK, I have a working set for a scaredycat build that old |
22:40.11 | wurp2 | but that's not my first choice :-) |
22:40.38 | wurp2 | mwester: I know it's a stupid question, but do you know offhand what's the last message the kernel starting kicks out? |
22:40.40 | mwester | anyway, back in a bit... good to see you back. |
22:40.50 | wurp2 | So I can know when I'm past kernel issues and into rootfs |
22:40.58 | wurp2 | mwester: Thanks - I'm not sure how 'back' I am |
22:41.08 | wurp2 | but I'm at least upgrading to the new image ;-) |
22:41.11 | shellevil | At the moment, my neo SIM is in one of these: http://www.emporialife.co.uk/ - I needed a phone that 'jyust worked' |
22:41.23 | mwester | (don't know the last message, but you should be able to see the first message from init: would be something involving "init" and then it should launch "udev" |
22:41.25 | wurp2 | shellevil: I understand that |
22:41.25 | mwester | ) |
22:41.40 | wurp2 | mwester: thanks again! |
22:42.55 | shellevil | I'd really like that to be my neo - even with poor battery life - with web-browser and call functionality at minimum - but... |
22:43.40 | shellevil | I've been spending the last weeks largely clearing up the garden. Today I chipped about 150Kg of branches - and that's 1/10th of it. |
22:44.42 | wurp2 | shellevil: That's funny - we've been doing the same thing lately |
22:44.53 | shellevil | And my workroom looks like http://www.mauve.plus.com/bedroom-wall.jpg |
22:44.55 | wurp2 | Cleaning out the side yard in preparation for selling our house |
22:45.09 | shellevil | not selling in the forseeable future |
22:45.29 | wurp2 | shellevil: :-( |
22:45.38 | wurp2 | re: you're workroom, not re: selling |
22:45.42 | shellevil | is reinsulating the house. |
22:46.00 | shellevil | It's currently 50cm stone walls, 5cm air-gap, plasterboard. |
22:46.14 | wurp2 | You can probably improve on that ;-) |
22:46.18 | shellevil | yeah. |
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22:46.32 | shellevil | 8cm or so of good fibreglass. And maybe 15 under the floor |
22:46.57 | shellevil | But it's a big job - though it pays back fast - given the stupid energy prices |
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22:47.31 | wurp2 | shellevil: Your garden is fantastic! |
22:47.44 | blokkie | mwester: how come an employee can chose what he wants to work on ? |
22:48.03 | wurp2 | blokkie: I think he's out for a big |
22:48.08 | shellevil | wurp2: Trying to keep it that way is going to be fun - not knowing much about plants. |
22:48.24 | blokkie | I'm good at php , though I'm paid to be a websphere admin. My paying customer (boss) does not let me code on php |
22:48.33 | wurp2 | s/big/bit/ |
22:48.49 | Dave | WURP! |
22:48.54 | blokkie | wurp2: thx , I have screen on, so I'll read his comment when he's back |
22:48.54 | wurp2 | DAVE! |
22:49.16 | shellevil | Random hardware of the day |
22:49.33 | wurp2 | My wife is asking me to go fix the toilet... |
22:49.47 | wurp2 | I'll probably have to go after I test this new kernel image |
22:50.14 | Dave | :P |
22:50.17 | shellevil | http://bifferos.bizhat.com/ |
22:50.21 | Dave | aw |
22:51.05 | wurp2 | shellevil: Yeah, I think microcomps are coming of age |
22:51.08 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03daniel 07framework * r0d158bbad410 10/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/device.py: |
22:51.08 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: ogsmd: Send out o.f.GSM.Network.Status after resume |
22:51.08 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: When we resume we now immediately query the network status and send a |
22:51.08 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Signal. This fixes FSO #248. |
22:51.13 | wurp2 | There seem to be a lot of nice options out there now |
22:51.54 | wurp2 | So, everyone bought my iphone app, right? |
22:52.19 | shellevil | Buy me an iphone, I'll buy your app. |
22:52.42 | Dave | Did I hear something about gardening? :) |
22:52.49 | Dave | wurp2, fuck that :P |
22:53.20 | wurp2 | shellevil: That doesn't sound like a good trade |
22:53.42 | wurp2 | Well, the new kernel boots, but now it looks as if I have a bootarg issue |
22:53.50 | wurp2 | bbiab |
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23:16.05 | Ruyuk | Hi there! I am wondering if you quit Runescape and still have your account? If so, please PM me. I am in desperate need of one! Thanks. |
23:16.07 | Ruyuk | Hi there! I am wondering if you quit Runescape and still have your account? If so, please PM me. I am in desperate need of one! Thanks. |
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23:16.24 | Dave | hahaha |
23:19.35 | Chocky | laughs also |
23:21.15 | CVirus | LOL |
23:21.28 | CVirus | I guess I do have an account .. LOL |
23:21.40 | Chocky | I LOL. LOL. |
23:21.59 | CVirus | the retard left the server |
23:23.23 | Dave | :p |
23:23.28 | Dave | "left" ... yeah |
23:23.38 | Dave | shines his boot |
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23:26.25 | Chocky | is that the one we see when your FR starts up? |
23:26.34 | mwester | Hi there! I am wondering if you have a million dollars that you don't need? If so, please PM me, I am in desperate need of it. Thanks. |
23:26.40 | mwester | wonders if this really works. |
23:26.49 | mwester | waits for his money. :) |
23:26.49 | Chocky | mwester: this is not Craigslist, ktb |
23:27.00 | mwester | hehe! |
23:27.25 | wurp2|gone | Does anyone have the output of printenv from a gta01 handy :-/ |
23:27.25 | mwester | Hey, did raster ever 'fess up as to who thought the silly boots were a good splash screen? |
23:27.47 | wurp2|gone | mwester: I thought that was his idea |
23:28.05 | Chocky | it's stoopit. |
23:28.05 | mwester | That might explain why he's never admitted to it... :) |
23:29.02 | wurp2|gone | :-) |
23:29.09 | Dave | wonders if mwester is a banking specialist from nigeria |
23:29.10 | mwester | So... where would be a good place to look for low-cost solar cells/panels for a project? |
23:29.52 | wurp2|gone | What's the minimum watts/m^2? |
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23:30.15 | wurp2|gone | (assuming direct sunlight, of course) |
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23:30.50 | mwester | At a minimum a Freerunner and an n800, but I'd really like to have enough to keep a small laptop running for at least 8 hours out of day. I estimate 40W would be ideal. |
23:31.04 | wurp2|gone | I mean, corroded copper is a solar cell if you can tolerate extremely low wattage :-) |
23:31.12 | mwester | area is of less concern, as it's not really all that portable. |
23:31.30 | wurp2|gone | Isn't 40W at least 200 m^2? |
23:31.46 | mwester | Yes, but copper is rather expensive. We have people that are tearing the copper plumbing out of houses as they are being built. |
23:32.07 | mwester | 200 m^2 for 40W ? Wow, that's rather inefficient |
23:32.22 | wurp2|gone | mwester: Yeah, I just wasn't sure if you wanted to play with it or use it for real power |
23:32.36 | b0ef | is it a common problem with tangogps not downloading tiles, often, keeping them white until you pan or zoom some more? |
23:32.38 | mwester | calculates the square footage available on his roof. |
23:32.42 | wurp2|gone | I thought 1 w / m^2 was the typical estimate for the power of bright sunlight |
23:32.58 | wurp2|gone | and 20% the max expected efficiency of reasonable costing solar cells |
23:33.00 | mwester | goes off to google, this project may not be so practical. |
23:34.05 | wurp2 | b0ef: yeah, I always have to refresh |
23:34.14 | wurp2 | of course, I'm 6 months out of date |
23:34.19 | mwester | wikipedia claims a 12% efficient cell can do 1.2 W per 0.01 m^2 |
23:34.22 | wurp2 | it might be that it's supposed to work now |
23:34.34 | wurp2 | holy shit |
23:34.46 | wurp2 | I was WAY off in my recollection of W/m^2 |
23:35.08 | mwester | Thank goodness! |
23:35.10 | mwester | :) |
23:35.30 | b0ef | wurp2: there's a refresh button? |
23:35.46 | wurp2 | 100W per m^2 |
23:35.46 | mwester | So, a 1 m^2 cell should be 100W in full sunlight - that's more than enough, and will easily fit inside the vehicle. |
23:35.52 | wurp2 | b0ef: Nah, I drag it a tiny bit :-) |
23:35.53 | max_posedon | wurp2, wrong! |
23:36.15 | max_posedon | 100W per 0.1m^2 |
23:36.37 | wurp2 | max_posedon: Yeah, for full power |
23:37.40 | max_posedon | it is not about full/not full, its about calculation 1m^2 = 10'000 * (0.01m^2) |
23:37.58 | max_posedon | ) |
23:38.18 | mwester | http://www.siliconsolar.com/global-solar-flexible-panels-62w-p-16362.html <---- that'll keep me and my neo happy! (if I could afford it!!!) |
23:39.38 | wurp2 | max_posedon: It is about full/not full when you're considering power you can extract vs. power that's there |
23:40.17 | wurp2 | 0.01m^2 almost never means (0.01m)^2 |
23:40.50 | wurp2 | and oddly, you gave the right answer, then the wrong explanation... |
23:41.48 | max_posedon | oh, see now... |
23:42.39 | wurp2 | No wonder I keep seeing those "solar powered bags", etc. that are totally useless. They're not useless, I just somehow memorized a figure that was off by 1000 for solar power :-O |
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23:48.08 | Sharwin_F | I can't open gif files with neon.. :O |
23:50.11 | max_posedon | We hope this is your biggest problem... |
23:50.27 | wurp2 | Woohoo, it boots! |
23:54.27 | Sharwin_F | not the biggest, but another one to the list of problems :P |
23:54.41 | wurp2 | crap, calls don't work :-( |
23:56.29 | mwester | Sigh. Lots of really cool solar technologies out there, especially the flexible film... but waaaaaaaaay too pricey. |
23:56.49 | mwester | I guess I'll have to haul along a lot of AA cells. |
23:57.37 | wurp2 | mwester: Did you look on ebay? |
23:57.44 | wurp2 | I've heard of people getting great deals |
23:57.51 | Dave | EBAY? |
23:57.51 | wurp2 | and remember that it's tax deductible |
23:58.08 | wurp2 | Dave: It's a website where people buy/sell stuff |
23:58.19 | mwester | I will, but I'm concerned about rip-offs; I can spot them with things I am familiar with, but I'm not so confident about solar stuff. |
23:58.19 | wurp2 | ;-) |
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23:58.42 | wurp2 | mwester: Yeah, I certainly understand that |
23:59.02 | Dave | it's the last resting place of most peoples' freerunners |
23:59.03 | Dave | :P |
23:59.15 | mwester | hehe! |
23:59.24 | Dave | so what's your big thing into solar, wester? |