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| 01:18.37 | Chocky | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! |
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| 01:45.40 | |Marco| | Chocky: ? |
| 01:47.12 | Chocky | shitty hosting provider won't admit they have a problem, won't give me access to files |
| 01:47.49 | Chocky | nothing to do with OM, just ranting ;-) |
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| 01:48.35 | |Marco| | what sort of hosting are we talking about ? |
| 01:48.45 | Chocky | VPS. ultrahosting.com, in particular |
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| 01:49.49 | |Marco| | ah, I ment files |
| 01:49.57 | Chocky | all of them. |
| 01:50.02 | Chocky | my Debian install they have |
| 01:50.05 | Chocky | and "meant" |
| 01:50.16 | |Marco| | ah |
| 01:51.26 | |Marco| | I can set up hosting grounds for you, but there is a 2mbit limitation eather dirrection |
| 01:51.48 | Chocky | I have an alternative, I just need my stuff |
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| 01:52.27 | |Marco| | ah |
| 01:52.32 | |Marco| | good luck :/ |
| 01:52.37 | Chocky | :| |
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| 02:00.30 | raster | man that looks bizarre |
| 02:00.32 | raster | :) |
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| 02:06.43 | b0ef | I'm going nuts;) |
| 02:06.55 | b0ef | is there some menu item to switch on the gps antenna in shr? |
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| 02:15.06 | fredrin | setings |
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| 02:24.40 | b0ef | fredrin: right, I'm in Settings->GPS and the only thing there to click on is GPS radio policy, which is set to "Automatic" |
| 02:25.10 | fredrin | turn it to manuel |
| 02:25.35 | b0ef | fredrin: right, got it;) |
| 02:25.42 | fredrin | :) |
| 02:25.56 | b0ef | thanks.. |
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| 04:44.13 | Linkas | hi. did anybody try install xfce4 lately? |
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| 04:45.19 | Linkas | when i type "apt-get install xfce4" i get "Some packages could not be installed." |
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| 05:04.18 | raster | pokes his tongue out @ xfce |
| 05:06.02 | Linkas | raster: what? |
| 05:06.22 | raster | professional rivalry |
| 05:06.45 | raster | it is my job as BDFL of E to poke my tongue out at other DE's and WM's. :) |
| 05:09.46 | mwester | is pleased to see not a single TLA among all the As |
| 05:10.23 | ndnihil | bdfl? |
| 05:11.49 | raster | benevolent dictator for life |
| 05:11.56 | ndnihil | ah |
| 05:12.05 | ndnihil | same raster than started the E project then? |
| 05:12.23 | raster | you dont get called a BDFL without that... |
| 05:12.40 | ndnihil | cool, I remember hating you |
| 05:13.03 | ndnihil | making such a pretty desktop while I only had enough video card to barely run X alone |
| 05:13.26 | raster | hahahaha |
| 05:13.30 | ndnihil | cirrus something with 512k I think it was |
| 05:13.34 | ndnihil | or was it 256 |
| 05:13.36 | ndnihil | been a while |
| 05:13.41 | raster | geeze |
| 05:13.46 | raster | that wouldnt have gotten you much x |
| 05:13.53 | ndnihil | not at all |
| 05:13.58 | raster | 640x480@8bpp |
| 05:13.59 | raster | maybe |
| 05:14.01 | ndnihil | and it was brutal when I did start it |
| 05:14.19 | ndnihil | back then I spend most of my time Alt+F'ing between VTs |
| 05:14.21 | raster | hmm |
| 05:14.24 | raster | not even 8bpp |
| 05:14.28 | ndnihil | s/spend/spent/ |
| 05:14.31 | raster | maybe 16color vga |
| 05:14.34 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 05:14.43 | raster | apt: i never did |
| 05:14.44 | apt | You never did? |
| 05:14.47 | raster | i got x up |
| 05:14.49 | raster | and stayed there |
| 05:14.51 | raster | nup |
| 05:14.59 | raster | box booted right to xdm |
| 05:15.02 | raster | and thats where i stayed |
| 05:15.09 | ndnihil | mustve been nice |
| 05:15.18 | raster | all those video resysncs to switch to textmode sucked arse |
| 05:15.26 | raster | it was an emergency spot only |
| 05:15.45 | ndnihil | my how things have changed |
| 05:15.55 | raster | dunno - i though it was nice... my forst pc i ever owned was a p120, 32m ram and a 2m diamond stealth video card. |
| 05:15.59 | raster | (s3 968) |
| 05:16.04 | raster | the box worked like a charm |
| 05:16.06 | ndnihil | that would have been sweet |
| 05:16.26 | raster | i pretty much lived on 1152x864 @16bpp |
| 05:16.32 | ndnihil | my first was an atari 400 |
| 05:16.40 | raster | that doesnt count |
| 05:16.42 | raster | not a "pc" |
| 05:16.42 | ndnihil | membrane keyboard, tape drive that took audio cassettes |
| 05:16.44 | raster | :) |
| 05:16.44 | ndnihil | yes it was |
| 05:16.51 | ndnihil | it wasnt a game console |
| 05:16.53 | raster | iuf you go there - firxt computer i owned was an amiga500 |
| 05:16.57 | ndnihil | I learned BASIC on that |
| 05:17.07 | raster | used c64's and vic20's before that @ school.. i did write programs for them tho |
| 05:17.12 | ndnihil | last summer I threw out a 3b1 |
| 05:17.24 | raster | i have to say.. i really liked the c64... |
| 05:17.27 | raster | until i got an amiga |
| 05:17.42 | raster | it's just amazing how commodre could fuck up such an awesome bit of technology |
| 05:17.45 | ndnihil | never had an amiga |
| 05:17.53 | raster | the amiga blew the pc out of the water for most of its lifetime |
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| 05:18.02 | raster | 4096 colors |
| 05:18.17 | ndnihil | my first x86 was a 25MHz 386 |
| 05:18.19 | raster | a guaranteed accelerated chipset with bitblit, sprites, 4 channel 8bit digital audio |
| 05:18.22 | raster | all "by default" |
| 05:18.31 | raster | and 68k cpu was a dream compared to x86 |
| 05:18.45 | raster | 8x32bit data registers + 8x32bit address registers |
| 05:18.50 | raster | a proper 32bit cpu |
| 05:19.11 | raster | @7mhz it could accomplish what x86's did at 2-4x the clockrate |
| 05:19.19 | ndnihil | nice |
| 05:19.24 | raster | damn nice platform |
| 05:19.29 | raster | shame commodore screwed it up |
| 05:19.52 | ndnihil | and now we have phones that make that seem primitive |
| 05:20.01 | raster | anyway - amiga was dying.. so had to finally relent to the pc |
| 05:20.13 | raster | but screw me if i was going to subject myself to that abomination that was dos+win3.1 |
| 05:20.31 | raster | so bought a pc in parts... took it home - and on went linux. |
| 05:20.38 | ndnihil | ugh, I couldnt run win3 |
| 05:20.44 | raster | yeah |
| 05:20.53 | raster | todays smartphones make thsoe first pc's look menial |
| 05:21.06 | raster | gut then again people WANt to run software on them thats 20x more complex |
| 05:21.12 | raster | want ui's that do aa text |
| 05:21.17 | raster | and all sorts of tricks |
| 05:21.26 | raster | so all that horsepower gets sucked up fast |
| 05:21.27 | ndnihil | trying to remember the name of the multitasking thing I used for dos |
| 05:22.06 | ndnihil | tried to run a bbs with that |
| 05:22.27 | ndnihil | not enough mem, 486sx33 with 8M I think it was |
| 05:22.30 | raster | ummm 4gw? |
| 05:22.33 | raster | or something? |
| 05:22.35 | ndnihil | not 4gw |
| 05:22.45 | raster | hmm |
| 05:22.54 | raster | i had friends - they ran linux + x on 486-sx25's |
| 05:22.58 | raster | (wth 8m) |
| 05:23.00 | raster | with |
| 05:23.14 | ndnihil | having that fail was what prompted me to switch to linux |
| 05:23.24 | ndnihil | grabbed one of the early slackware floppy sets |
| 05:23.36 | ndnihil | re-wrote the bbs |
| 05:24.02 | raster | aaah yes |
| 05:24.05 | raster | slackware |
| 05:24.17 | raster | i was lucky - i got one of the infomagic cd's to install it |
| 05:24.26 | ndnihil | you had a cdrom? |
| 05:24.31 | ndnihil | so lucky |
| 05:24.45 | CVirus | lol |
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| 05:25.11 | raster | yeah |
| 05:25.19 | raster | it was even an.. IDE cd rom |
| 05:25.29 | raster | not one of these "hooked up via your soundblaster" jobs |
| 05:25.32 | raster | ie.. i could boot from it |
| 05:25.35 | ndnihil | heheh |
| 05:25.47 | raster | i even had an sb16... |
| 05:25.53 | raster | that served me well for many a year |
| 05:26.00 | CVirus | my first computer had a cdrom .. and a 133mhz processor .. this was back in 1997 |
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| 05:26.50 | CVirus | I was 8-9 years old |
| 05:27.41 | raster | CVirus: young whipper-snapper |
| 05:28.27 | CVirus | lol |
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| 05:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | sidekick? |
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| 05:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | raster: btw you forgot copper, which was even a step beyond blitter wrt coolness of gfx special chip power |
| 05:53.00 | raster | oh yes |
| 05:53.02 | raster | i loved the copper |
| 05:53.09 | raster | the shit you could pull |
| 05:53.23 | raster | like re-program the sprite registers WHILE the scanline sacanned out |
| 05:53.37 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 05:53.48 | raster | so arrange a map of 2 sprites |
| 05:53.51 | raster | ABABAB |
| 05:54.09 | raster | when A finished scanning the copper re-programmed A to be at B+16 x position |
| 05:54.14 | raster | with a new pointer for sprite data |
| 05:54.29 | raster | and so on |
| 05:54.40 | raster | so u can make what is limited to a 16xN pixel sprite |
| 05:54.48 | raster | or a pair of 16xN |
| 05:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | and there you got your spaceinvaders ;D |
| 05:54.58 | raster | (32xN) to be MxN |
| 05:55.03 | raster | where M is the width of the display |
| 05:55.07 | raster | awesome shit |
| 05:55.19 | raster | and u still have 6 sprites left to screw with |
| 05:55.27 | raster | and in dual-playfield mode |
| 05:55.31 | raster | 2 3bit playfields |
| 05:55.38 | raster | oh wait |
| 05:55.57 | raster | no - io think u needed to use 4 sprites ina row to allow for pre-load of the sprite data before scan |
| 05:56.00 | raster | but hey |
| 05:56.19 | raster | 2x2bit planes (made up of sprites) + 2x3bit planes of regular fb |
| 05:56.21 | raster | awesome poo |
| 05:56.40 | raster | though you just saturated your copper - couldnt do much else with it |
| 05:56.54 | raster | well u could try change 2 palette colors or maybe 3 per scanline |
| 05:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | you could even switch screen resolution half way down the vertical scan |
| 05:56.59 | raster | yeah |
| 05:57.01 | raster | awesome poo |
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| 05:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | and iirc there was even a lightpen/lightgun register triggered by some external input, to grab the position of the beam |
| 05:59.00 | raster | yup |
| 05:59.13 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 05:59.17 | raster | at that time the amiga hw was totally light-years beyond pc's |
| 05:59.19 | raster | or even macs |
| 05:59.29 | raster | but commodore screwed it busines-wise |
| 06:00.47 | DocScrutinizer | I loved he A1000's kbd better than the ugly 500 though |
| 06:01.03 | DocScrutinizer | also kickstart was kinda cool |
| 06:01.32 | Q-Master | Morning guys! |
| 06:01.57 | Q-Master | Amiga roxx 8) |
| 06:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | giggles remembering the 4 layers of piggybacked ram he built into his A1000 |
| 06:02.51 | raster | DocScrutinizer: everything about the amiga was cool |
| 06:02.57 | raster | actually sorry only 1 thing uncool |
| 06:03.01 | raster | no chunky pixel mode |
| 06:03.12 | raster | even with AGA |
| 06:03.35 | raster | it was capable of simply having a chunky-pixel (non-planar) mode as it could do 8bitplanes now |
| 06:03.36 | Q-Master | yep. that was bad. |
| 06:03.40 | raster | but they didnt add one |
| 06:03.52 | Q-Master | all chunky2planar routines were too slow. 8( |
| 06:03.57 | raster | tho the copper hacks to create chunky-pixels on aga were cool |
| 06:04.01 | raster | yeah |
| 06:04.41 | Q-Master | has an A1200 with Bliz68040/50 8) |
| 06:04.47 | raster | ooh u bastard |
| 06:04.57 | raster | i was juct suck with the 020 @ 14mhz |
| 06:05.07 | Q-Master | 8) |
| 06:05.08 | raster | and a fpu_mem expansion board |
| 06:05.41 | raster | so i at least had more chip+fast ram |
| 06:05.45 | Q-Master | heh. I was sitting for several years with 020 and 2megs. 8( |
| 06:06.05 | raster | mind u i had a 500 for about 6 years |
| 06:06.14 | raster | so that still holds fond memories |
| 06:06.21 | raster | i had 2+4m myself (6 total) |
| 06:06.26 | raster | on the 1200 |
| 06:14.56 | Q-Master | is it alive now? |
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| 06:19.14 | raster | nah |
| 06:19.16 | raster | its long dead |
| 06:22.25 | Q-Master | too bad |
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| 06:32.21 | fredrin_ | my first phone was 3110 |
| 06:32.24 | fredrin_ | nokia |
| 06:33.42 | fredrin_ | and then 6110, and then simens s65 or sometihng and then nokia 6600, a solid rock as a phone and then FR.... |
| 06:34.36 | Q-Master | is sitting on SE phones. |
| 06:35.05 | mmontour | scrolls back over the Amiga discussion and considers dusting off the 4000/030 that's in his closet. |
| 06:35.56 | Q-Master | hehe |
| 06:36.07 | Q-Master | another one amiga channel. 8) |
| 06:37.05 | Q-Master | even wrote a game for amiga. 8) |
| 06:38.28 | mmontour | I never wrote a game, but I did once write a 'life' program that did all of the calculations with the blitter |
| 06:38.45 | Q-Master | mine is on aminet |
| 06:39.04 | mmontour | what's the name? |
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| 09:11.33 | leinir | Is Radek Polak around? :) |
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| 09:34.45 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r16325f83b8a3 10/libfsoframework/ (fsoframework/transport.vala tests/testtransport.vala): fsoframework: transport: mark as closed, add more unit tests |
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| 09:45.41 | jonwil | Is there a FAQ anywhere that explains whats going on with OpenMoko? |
| 09:46.17 | shellevil | basically, all development of future phone models has stopped, FR saless continue |
| 09:46.27 | shellevil | exactly what else is happening is a bit unclear |
| 09:46.57 | jonwil | what I read is that OM were planning a phone codenamed GTA03 but that they decided that they couldnt produce a phone that would work |
| 09:47.31 | jonwil | I think #1 problem is that any phone promising what OM phone does but without 3G UMTS wont work anymore |
| 09:47.48 | ndnihil | the gta02 works fine, it's just not polished enough for general consumer use |
| 09:48.49 | ndnihil | but yeah, 3g/3.5g would be nice, and far more marketable |
| 09:49.11 | jonwil | I did see some suggestion that OM should do a GTA02.5 thats GTA02 with EDGE instead of GPRS, Glamo replaced with a more open GPU (or removed altogether) and maybe with camera |
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| 09:49.43 | ndnihil | that would require more effort than finishing the gta03 |
| 09:49.55 | jonwil | yeah I saw that too |
| 09:50.22 | jonwil | how good is the GTA02 hardware as it is now, is it just a matter of software to make the phone better? |
| 09:50.39 | jonwil | or is the hardware not up to scratch? |
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| 09:53.38 | lindi- | jonwil: there are bugs in the gsm firmware |
| 09:54.10 | jonwil | I remember someone saying they fixed those and had a new GSM firmware release available |
| 09:54.17 | jonwil | or are there more bugs yet unfixed? |
| 09:54.33 | lindi- | jonwil: they fixed one bug in the firmware upgrade |
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| 09:55.38 | jonwil | I remember that another problem was that the firmware upgrade for GSM isnt something end users can easily do for some reason |
| 09:59.23 | ndnihil | GSM firmware upgrade is easy |
| 09:59.29 | ndnihil | and worth it |
| 09:59.36 | jonwil | oh ok, so they solved the problems then |
| 09:59.57 | ndnihil | not all of them, but I personally haven't been able to reproduce any with the moko11 firmware |
| 10:00.12 | jonwil | I dont actually own a OM phone (dont like the form factor, I prefer physical keys on my phones) |
| 10:00.13 | ndnihil | not that I've tried all that hard, just poked at it a bit |
| 10:00.29 | ndnihil | I tend to prefer physical keys as well |
| 10:02.02 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8031667b5d88 10/fsogsmd/ (6 files in 3 dirs): fsogsmd: revamp parser, include as atom in channel, set delegates from command queue |
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| 10:50.45 | yan | hello |
| 10:51.22 | yan | it's so pity openmoko proj ended |
| 10:51.35 | ndnihil | ugh |
| 10:51.38 | ndnihil | it hasnt ended |
| 10:51.49 | ndnihil | they stopped development of the gta03, and fired half their developers |
| 10:52.16 | ndnihil | they're still selling the gta02, and people still write software for it |
| 10:53.22 | yan | really,its good news:) |
| 10:53.40 | ndnihil | yes and no |
| 10:54.23 | ndnihil | on one hand, it's nice that the gta02 will be around for a while, but on the other hand, we're that much further away from a 3g/3.5g phone that is properly open |
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| 10:58.21 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r32df6bb9a2c0 10/fsogsmd/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fsogsmd: fix responsehandler signature and document FsoGsm.CommandQueue interface. |
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| 11:00.11 | PBeck | ndnihil: i think it's important that gta02 will be a stable software plattform - so the next device can be enduser ready - i hope that gta02 will be usable in the future :) |
| 11:00.48 | ndnihil | its usable now, just not polished enough for the general public |
| 11:00.59 | PBeck | ndnihil: perhaps it's to early for a open 3.5g phone - see what steve and sean has posted in the last months |
| 11:01.09 | max_posedon | ndnihil, why you want 3.g phone, for what? |
| 11:01.33 | max_posedon | neo still haven't usable browser. |
| 11:01.34 | ndnihil | gprs is as slow and painful as watching senior citizens fuck? |
| 11:01.37 | PBeck | it's more complex than gprs and a very young technology |
| 11:02.03 | max_posedon | ndnihil, but *how* you will use fast internet access? |
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| 11:02.15 | ndnihil | downloading gps maps on the go for one |
| 11:02.25 | ndnihil | communicating with the house |
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| 11:03.01 | ndnihil | and I read wikipedia a lot |
| 11:03.04 | ndnihil | when on the go |
| 11:03.11 | ndnihil | sitting around waiting for food, etc.. |
| 11:03.23 | max_posedon | 1. gps maps can be predownloaded |
| 11:03.32 | ndnihil | they can, if you know where you're going to be |
| 11:03.32 | max_posedon | 2. wikipedia has "offline" version |
| 11:03.40 | ndnihil | offline wikipedia sucks |
| 11:03.58 | ndnihil | and that doesnt include wikinews |
| 11:04.02 | PBeck | i think we will be online in the future everywhere |
| 11:04.09 | lindi- | max_posedon: aren't midori and firefox quite ok browsers? |
| 11:04.17 | ndnihil | firefox is horribly slow |
| 11:04.22 | ndnihil | midori is tolerable, kinda |
| 11:04.40 | max_posedon | lindi-, they aren't, speed is enough, but usability... |
| 11:04.42 | ndnihil | my major gripe with midori is the bar across the top "you are running this as root! omg!" |
| 11:04.48 | PBeck | lindi-: midori - not bad, but not very usable |
| 11:04.56 | max_posedon | horizontal scrolls..., I'm using opera at home on neo |
| 11:04.58 | PBeck | lindi-: see iphone or other good webbrowser |
| 11:05.06 | lindi- | PBeck: how do I see it? ;) |
| 11:05.21 | PBeck | ? |
| 11:05.27 | max_posedon | it just crazy, ssh -X desktop opera better than any other. |
| 11:05.29 | ndnihil | you beat up a mac dweeb and swipe his phone :) |
| 11:05.54 | lindi- | max_posedon: but opera is proprietary |
| 11:06.19 | max_posedon | I know, but I speak about little bit different things |
| 11:06.33 | max_posedon | I just don't see *any* reason for gta03 |
| 11:06.40 | max_posedon | since we haven't usable apps |
| 11:06.49 | lindi- | i'm happy with midori + firefox |
| 11:06.58 | lindi- | max_posedon: i'm not happy with the bugs of the gsm chip |
| 11:07.01 | ndnihil | how do we not have usable apps? |
| 11:07.28 | ndnihil | I already use it more than I did my blackberry |
| 11:07.31 | max_posedon | I hate horizontal scrolls, I dislike that midori doesn't allows scrolling pages by finger |
| 11:07.41 | PBeck | ndnihil: with which distri? |
| 11:07.47 | ndnihil | SHR testing |
| 11:08.01 | ndnihil | with some unstable packages, and some from angstrom, and some from opkg.org |
| 11:08.19 | max_posedon | but I should try eve (E+webkit), I hope he at least allow scrolling by finger |
| 11:08.28 | ndnihil | and there's another good reason for 3g, checking email |
| 11:08.54 | PBeck | ndnihil: we have no good email client <:p |
| 11:08.59 | ndnihil | claws works fine |
| 11:09.02 | ndnihil | for me anyway |
| 11:09.20 | lindi- | max_posedon: it can still be used :) |
| 11:09.24 | PBeck | ndnihil: what means fine? only a compromis or really a solution for the neo? |
| 11:09.39 | ndnihil | equal to or better than the blackberry |
| 11:09.44 | lindi- | PBeck: why do you want the applications to be specific to the hardware? |
| 11:09.45 | PBeck | with the right dimensions and so one? |
| 11:09.48 | ndnihil | = fine |
| 11:10.12 | PBeck | lindi-: why the neo is a bit differnt of a normal pc with a big display, keyboard and mouse? |
| 11:10.19 | PBeck | s/why/because |
| 11:10.20 | ndnihil | work doesn't know it yet, but the gta02 replaced the brokeberry they gave me |
| 11:10.37 | ndnihil | swiped the sim and 2Gb uSD from it :) |
| 11:10.48 | lindi- | PBeck: yep existing apps might need a few new features for that |
| 11:11.06 | PBeck | omg my english is horrible ;) |
| 11:15.00 | PBeck | ndnihil: you use your freerunner as calender, messenger, todolist, alarm, handy (:D), email? |
| 11:15.13 | PBeck | without problems? |
| 11:15.17 | ndnihil | no, yes, no, yes, yes, yes |
| 11:15.33 | ndnihil | actually I dont use the alarm |
| 11:15.45 | Wonka | for the records: "handy" is a german word not meaning "handy" but "cell phone" |
| 11:16.12 | lindi- | PBeck: yes, yes (IRC), yes, no, handy?, depends (i want to keep my emails in one place in any case) |
| 11:16.20 | ndnihil | and though I've heard lots of problems with voice quality |
| 11:16.28 | ndnihil | people at work say it sounds better |
| 11:16.31 | ndnihil | than the BB |
| 11:16.31 | PBeck | lindi-: ok cellphone (thanks Wonka ;)) |
| 11:16.37 | Wonka | np :) |
| 11:16.47 | lindi- | PBeck: gpe-calendar, xchat (with irssiproxy), gpe-todo |
| 11:17.03 | PBeck | lindi-: ndnihil i think it's still a compromis ;) |
| 11:17.15 | ndnihil | it is, but a small one |
| 11:17.26 | ndnihil | one I'm more than willing to make to have an open platform |
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| 11:17.59 | PBeck | ok |
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| 11:18.13 | ndnihil | oh, one more thing the gta02 can do that the BB cant, VPN |
| 11:18.13 | AntonioGa | hello |
| 11:18.17 | AntonioGa | good morning |
| 11:18.25 | ndnihil | howdy |
| 11:18.33 | AntonioGa | i have a problem with qt and tslib |
| 11:18.40 | AntonioGa | can someone help me? |
| 11:18.52 | ndnihil | probably not me, I only ran qt for a couple hours |
| 11:19.54 | AntonioGa | I compile ts, qt with ts flag, but i get segmentation fault error when i use touchscreen from qt app |
| 11:20.04 | lindi- | AntonioGa: Xorg? |
| 11:20.15 | AntonioGa | no |
| 11:20.20 | AntonioGa | qt embedded |
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| 11:20.23 | lindi- | ah |
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| 11:51.20 | thrashold | Where can you purchase batteries for Neo1973? (preferably, like the original battery, or batteries that the phone can charge) |
| 11:51.32 | lindi- | thrashold: checked pulster? |
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| 11:53.23 | thrashold | Just did, thank you. The battery for GTA02 will work in GTA01, right? |
| 11:54.23 | lindi- | thrashold: aren't they the same? |
| 11:54.59 | thrashold | I'm almost certain they are, just asking to be sure :) |
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| 11:56.24 | baba_melone | Hi, are there any EFL developers here |
| 11:56.48 | baba_melone | Im trying to compile this ewl tutorial program: http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/EWL_Introduction |
| 11:57.16 | baba_melone | Im using the openmoko toolchain, but I get this error: |
| 11:57.27 | baba_melone | /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libefreet.so: undefined reference to `eina_list_search_unsorted' |
| 11:57.29 | baba_melone | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 11:58.22 | bruce_c | thrashold: afaik the GTA* batteries are just branded Nokia style batteries |
| 11:58.35 | baba_melone | Strange, as I use the cflags, that pkg-config --cflags --libs ewl tells me to use |
| 11:59.34 | thrashold | bruce_c: I have Nokia batteries, they work fine, but I can't charge them in the neo |
| 11:59.47 | bruce_c | thrashold: that's what http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery says - they won't charge |
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| 12:02.25 | thrashold | thank for the replies, I'll get a battery from pulster :) |
| 12:02.25 | gfather | hello guys |
| 12:02.44 | gfather | Compose SMS , whats does that mean ? , new sms ? |
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| 12:12.35 | henk | gfather: yes |
| 12:12.49 | gfather | henk thanks |
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| 13:30.03 | Dave | The Virus. |
| 13:30.22 | CVirus | damn you |
| 13:30.25 | CVirus | leave me alone |
| 13:30.43 | Dave | :p |
| 13:30.49 | Dave | Fine |
| 13:30.53 | CVirus | lol |
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| 13:31.01 | Dave | :D |
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| 15:41.32 | bruce_c | it looks like some scripts have $(INSTALL) -m0644 when there should be a space after the -m |
| 15:43.20 | henk | bruce_c: is that a guessing game? you name a bug and we have to guess which file you are talking about? :-p |
| 15:43.45 | bruce_c | henk: sorry, I'm grepping the sources now. It's taking a while but I'll upload a list |
| 15:45.11 | bruce_c | the build actually failed in the om-gta02-angstrom-linux-gnueabi but there are lots more that should be fixed |
| 15:46.43 | henk | bruce_c: i still have no idea what you are talking about... |
| 15:48.10 | bruce_c | henk: okay. http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2115811i20 explains the issue. |
| 15:49.13 | bruce_c | it looks like it's both in the openembedded scripts *and* the packages under tmp/work |
| 15:49.36 | henk | shr? or om2008? |
| 15:49.42 | mwester | bruce_c: that's been fixed for a long time -- you are probably working on an older branch, and the fix needs to be merged to whatever branch you are working with. So now all we have to do is guess what branch you have chosen? |
| 15:49.43 | bruce_c | shr |
| 15:49.55 | mwester | Yes, known problem. |
| 15:49.58 | bruce_c | mwester: I'm building from shr-unstable |
| 15:50.02 | mwester | Yes. |
| 15:50.03 | bruce_c | ah ok |
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| 15:50.24 | bruce_c | so, what branch *should* I be using in order to get this thing to work? |
| 15:50.39 | mwester | Edit the scripts/Makefile.fw (or something like that) to fix the lack-of-space, and the build will pick up from there. |
| 15:50.54 | mwester | There are other bugs, should have that fixed "Real Soon Now" |
| 15:51.30 | bruce_c | I'll do that, thanks |
| 15:52.02 | bruce_c | I thought shr-unstable was building from the very latest sources? |
| 15:52.15 | mwester | Yes. That's the problem! |
| 15:52.38 | mwester | it is "unstable", and you have found it at such a point right at the moment! |
| 15:52.47 | bruce_c | lol |
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| 15:59.01 | bruce_c | I see, there are patches under openembedded that fix the mode issue. But the linux package hasn't been patched yet; I'm slowly learning this stuff |
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| 16:09.09 | bruce_c | where do the packages come from? I'm wondering why they're patched under openembedded/packages and not fixed in the package itself? |
| 16:10.10 | bruce_c | or is a problem of timing, that patching is easier/faster than changing the file that gets downloaded during the build? |
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| 16:17.20 | mwester | bruce_c: the packages come from the original source, upstream -- for the kernel that would be the official linux kernel repo. If the patch is generally applicable, it is to be sent upstream, and then it can be removed in OE when the upstream maintainers fix it. If it is not general in nature (i.e. it is a peculiarity of OE, or the target device), or if upstream rejects it, or ignores it, then the patch remains in OE. |
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| 16:49.19 | gfather | hello |
| 16:49.33 | gfather | any one has info on internationalization shr |
| 16:49.43 | gfather | i already translated one of the files |
| 16:49.56 | gfather | but there is no info on how to put it back or something |
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| 16:50.14 | cyberalex | hi |
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| 17:44.21 | hhf423 | hi all |
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| 17:44.40 | hhf423 | say, I just removed the dust from my Neo973 |
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| 17:45.09 | hhf423 | and hooked it up and wonder where to find a recent set of images to flash |
| 17:46.54 | mwester | SHR - check the wiki for info and download urls |
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| 17:52.03 | hhf423 | if it were that simple |
| 17:52.29 | hhf423 | fdom recommended? |
| 17:52.47 | hhf423 | if I go here: http://www.tuxbrain.com/fdom_en.html |
| 17:53.11 | hhf423 | I find only one jffs2 file. are not two files required? |
| 17:54.17 | hhf423 | I assume I should take this one? http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.12/Om2008.12-om-gta02.uImage.bin |
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| 17:55.45 | mwester | It is that simple. |
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| 17:57.52 | j0rg3 | Hello! |
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| 17:59.48 | j0rg3 | I need a smartphone and I prefer to deviate a little from the mainstream. I'm on AT&T and the iPhone has 3G in my (Pittsburgh) area. The Android is out because I don't want to use edge. Is OpenMoko a reasonable alternative for me? |
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| 18:01.31 | shellevil | no |
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| 18:01.43 | shellevil | it's really not conumer ready yet |
| 18:01.57 | shellevil | and only has GPRS - not even edge |
| 18:02.23 | j0rg3 | Oh, okay. Do you have any other suggestions or should I just swallow it and buy an iPhone? |
| 18:05.35 | doc|home | the palm pre looks interesting, although leaving out a sdhc slot seems like a big design mistake |
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| 18:10.22 | j0rg3 | Cool! I'll look into that, although I think iPhone is going to win because the Palm models that I have seen didn't have comparable screen size. I'm also keen on that multitouch stuff. However, I've heard that iPhones break easily. (arrgh) I've been trying to learn enough to make the best purchase for like a month. |
| 18:12.04 | doc|home | j0rg3: the pre is a whole new era of Palm devices |
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| 18:12.46 | j0rg3 | Yeah? I'll Google it, then. |
| 18:13.02 | shellevil | waits for the post. |
| 18:13.30 | j0rg3 | Yeah. Immediately, I see some reviews calling it superior to the iPhone. |
| 18:13.39 | hhf423 | harrrr! dfu-util sees my Neo1973 under Windows XP |
| 18:13.54 | j0rg3 | I'm gonna do some reading but I'll be back n' forth if anybody has anything to add. |
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| 18:16.29 | hhf423 | j0rg3: when do you want to buy? The palm is not out yet and a new generation of iphone should be out even before the palm pre |
| 18:17.01 | hhf423 | heh, this is nice. I can now actually flash the Neo1973 using Windows. I would call this progress. |
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| 18:18.44 | saracen | I still cant, the drivers dont appear to work for windows vista x64 |
| 18:18.52 | saracen | Even the driver that says it does, doesnt =( |
| 18:19.27 | j0rg3 | I'm wanting to buy soon. I've just gotten a SW engineering position and some of the code I've written is emailing status reports. I can't always get to my email, to make sure that everything is okay. |
| 18:19.43 | hhf423 | saracen: ah, I have Windows XP only |
| 18:19.58 | hhf423 | j0rg3: soon is before June? |
| 18:20.41 | j0rg3 | Yes. I was thinking this weekend or within the next month, at the outside. |
| 18:20.52 | hhf423 | so can anyone say how much standby time I get out of a Free Runner? |
| 18:21.51 | fredrin | hhf423: 24 hours now maybe |
| 18:21.53 | j0rg3 | Sprint has 3G coverage in my area, though. |
| 18:21.54 | hhf423 | j0rg3: then I'd get a iphone 3g |
| 18:22.14 | j0rg3 | Looks like that is it. Thanks for the help, everybody! |
| 18:22.24 | hhf423 | fredrin: thats acceptable |
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| 18:22.59 | hhf423 | uh oh. dfu util seems to be mightly slow under Windows XP |
| 18:23.22 | hhf423 | but as long as it works... |
| 18:24.03 | hhf423 | are there nightly builds or so to be found for the Om200x.xx distribution? |
| 18:24.22 | hhf423 | I mean, what makes most sense to run on the Neo1973? |
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| 18:30.54 | PaulFertser | hhf423: shr |
| 18:32.16 | PaulFertser | hhf423: most folks with gta01 said that they liked SHR. And gta01 has much worse power consumption comparing to FR because of hardware bugs. |
| 18:33.36 | hhf423 | PaulFertser: SHR is what please? |
| 18:34.04 | PaulFertser | hhf423: community-driven effort to bring a working distro based on FSO. |
| 18:34.21 | PaulFertser | hhf423: you can also install Paroli on it. |
| 18:34.36 | hhf423 | Stable Hybrid Release? |
| 18:34.52 | PaulFertser | hhf423: yes, though this acronym no longer makes sense. |
| 18:35.35 | Kero | :) |
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| 18:37.27 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8b4bd40798fd 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fsogsmd: send init commands to modem (on all channels atm.) |
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| 18:37.42 | Kero | Distributions page on wiki claims pim is N/A for SHR. what is that supposed to mean? |
| 18:38.11 | PaulFertser | Kero: opimd is not used anywhere yet. |
| 18:38.36 | Kero | then what do OM2008 and others use? |
| 18:38.41 | PaulFertser | Kero: you can install any pim application from repos, but you'll have no integration. |
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| 18:38.57 | PaulFertser | Kero: OM2008==Qtopia-on-X fork. |
| 18:39.22 | hhf423 | PaulFertser: and I see that the hw bug on Neo1973 wrt power management could not be worked around? |
| 18:39.31 | PaulFertser | hhf423: which one? |
| 18:40.18 | hhf423 | I forgot the actual bugzilla no |
| 18:40.21 | PaulFertser | hhf423: i don't know much about gta01 hardware bugs anyway. |
| 18:41.26 | hhf423 | are there any plans for a new hw release? with 3G? |
| 18:41.35 | PaulFertser | hhf423: no |
| 18:41.36 | hhf423 | freerunner did have wifi, right? |
| 18:41.43 | PaulFertser | hhf423: FR has wifi, yes |
| 18:41.53 | hhf423 | and EDGE, right? |
| 18:42.18 | PaulFertser | hhf423: no :( |
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| 18:43.02 | hhf423 | oh, right. That was a bummer. GPRS is hardship. EDGE I feel is fast enough for all I need |
| 18:43.10 | PaulFertser | hhf423: gsm modems of gta01 and gta02 are the same. |
| 18:44.11 | hhf423 | GPRS is good enough for text only browsing, tho |
| 18:44.40 | lindi- | hhf423: you can just plug in usb 3g stick when you need it |
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| 18:45.07 | hhf423 | lindi-: hahaha, yes, with the USB host |
| 18:45.17 | PaulFertser | hhf423: fr has a usb host |
| 18:45.34 | lindi- | hhf423: i have udev rule to automatically make it connect when i plug it in |
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| 18:46.11 | hhf423 | anyone knows why no more HW plans? |
| 18:46.37 | PaulFertser | lindi-: what do you think about an idea to make gsm0710muxd behave exactly like socat in initializing the port and compiling a tweaked version. Whenever you hit the bug again, you'll try the tweaked version. What do you think? |
| 18:46.51 | PaulFertser | hhf423: lack of resources |
| 18:47.15 | mwester | hhf423: no money |
| 18:47.31 | lindi- | PaulFertser: is the hypothesis here now that gsm0710muxd does not set some serial setting but instead assumes it to be correct? |
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| 18:53.13 | hhf423 | boy, dfu-util is slow on windows |
| 18:54.41 | Toaster` | Anyone have suggestions on getting useful docs on using elementary? |
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| 18:55.57 | PaulFertser | lindi-: yes, to me it sounds like a reasonable explanation. After all, why socat works every time? |
| 18:56.05 | PaulFertser | lindi-: btw, are you mentioning the "reset" sysfs node for some kind of perverted fun? ;) |
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| 19:01.01 | lindi- | PaulFertser: frameworkd also writes to reset file |
| 19:01.16 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r4e8a7e1ae0c6 10/fsogsmd/ (NEWS configure.ac): |
| 19:01.16 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: fsogsmd: this is version 0.1.0.0. The basic architecture has been implemented. |
| 19:01.16 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Further work is pending Vala support for async dbus on server side. |
| 19:02.08 | PaulFertser | lindi-: so? |
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| 19:16.38 | Sharwin_F | Result after playing an flv play from mplayer: heard the sound some seconds, no images of course. Had to kill -9 mplayer, after that, Xglamo still eats all the cpu and the screen output its frozen, even restarting xserver |
| 19:19.53 | max_posedon | why no image of cource? |
| 19:20.06 | max_posedon | I successfully play flv on neo |
| 19:20.48 | Sharwin_F | really? |
| 19:20.58 | Sharwin_F | max_posedon, you must be a hero :P |
| 19:21.17 | Sharwin_F | max_posedon, with mplayer? where was the flv from= |
| 19:21.25 | max_posedon | why?! mplayer ffmpegg has flv support |
| 19:21.38 | max_posedon | from youtube, downloaded via youtube-dl |
| 19:22.01 | max_posedon | I can upload it somewhere, if you would like to test |
| 19:22.10 | Sharwin_F | max_posedon, same here, flv downloaded from youtube and playing with mplayer |
| 19:22.38 | Sharwin_F | first thing I receive is a long message from mplayer telling me the device is too slow to play video xD |
| 19:23.09 | max_posedon | yes it is, so you can add -framedrop and few other options |
| 19:23.26 | max_posedon | it will show near ~8fps may be |
| 19:24.29 | Sharwin_F | ok, I'll try |
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| 19:26.23 | max_posedon | Sharwin_F, may be you tring start mplayer via ssh connection?) |
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| 19:27.04 | Sharwin_F | max_posedon, yes, but I did export DISPLAY=:0.0 before |
| 19:27.54 | max_posedon | mplayer -vo xv(default?) would not work |
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| 19:30.58 | PaulFertser | Guys, we all should finally move to x.org. The driver is already there, i wonder who will finally add a recipe to OE... |
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| 19:37.18 | Sharwin_F | max_posedon, it works with mplayer -framedrop -vo fbdev |
| 19:37.30 | max_posedon | yes |
| 19:37.45 | max_posedon | (display=:0.0 don't need in this case) |
| 19:38.26 | Sharwin_F | also works without -framdrop |
| 19:39.23 | max_posedon | many variants to success) |
| 19:39.40 | max_posedon | openmoko-maillist have discussion about this |
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| 20:31.26 | Kero | can I find dbus opimd specs anywhere? or should I read sources (which sources?) |
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| 20:38.28 | lindi- | PaulFertser: so i thought i should do the same :) |
| 20:39.30 | PaulFertser | lindi-: on gta02 reset gpio is not connected at all. And on any modern kernel accessing reset sysfs doesn't even do anything :) |
| 20:40.16 | lindi- | PaulFertser: kernel people should really provide a userland too for controlling this stuff :) |
| 20:40.39 | PaulFertser | lindi-: what stuff? Non-connected pin? |
| 20:40.51 | lindi- | PaulFertser: for enabling and disabling gsm |
| 20:40.53 | PaulFertser | lindi-: you can do that with s3c2410-gpio :) |
| 20:41.42 | PaulFertser | lindi-: what kind of control do you need? Reset is non-functional on Calypso anyway :) GTA01 has it connected but it doesn't look that it helps to restart bootloader. |
| 20:42.14 | PaulFertser | lindi-: the reason why flashing calypso with non-functional firmware is trickier on gta01 comparing to gta02. |
| 20:42.31 | lindi- | PaulFertser: just power and depower the chip |
| 20:43.29 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i have my own script that offers "device [gsm|bt|wifi|gps] [enable|disable]" and it needs to automatically detect the sysfs paths on boot and cache those so that it does not take so much time :) |
| 20:43.29 | PaulFertser | lindi-: on gta01 it's not possible, chip is powered directly from the battery terminals. |
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| 20:45.40 | PaulFertser | lindi-: so what about gsm0710muxd/socat strace difference? |
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| 20:46.00 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i have not managed to trigger the bug yet |
| 20:46.11 | lindi- | PaulFertser: i do have strace of the failing case in the bug report |
| 20:46.19 | PaulFertser | lindi-: saw that. |
| 20:46.54 | PaulFertser | lindi-: what do you think about my idea? Do you want me to prepare the patch so that gsm0710muxd does exactly the same port setting syscalls as socat? |
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| 20:47.32 | lindi- | PaulFertser: stty surely can set those as well? |
| 20:47.49 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i think so |
| 20:48.12 | kinneh | any pointers where to find out how to install shr testing om my gta01 sd instead of the internal flash ? |
| 20:48.44 | PaulFertser | kinneh: where are you going to boot the kernel? |
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| 20:49.03 | PaulFertser | s/kernel/kernel from/ |
| 20:49.45 | kinneh | PaulFertser: well that could remain on flash ? |
| 20:49.46 | PaulFertser | kinneh: if it's NAND, you just unpack shr to any partition on SD you like and supply an appropriate root= parameter in u-boot. |
| 20:50.14 | kinneh | PaulFertser: oh ok thx |
| 20:51.20 | PaulFertser | kinneh: tell us your success/failure story after you try, please :) |
| 20:52.21 | kinneh | yes I will, there is no info that I could find on this anywhere and with the limited flash on gta01 this could be a good setup |
| 20:52.59 | PaulFertser | kinneh: sure. I think that's just obvious. You already know how to boot the kernel. If it sees your uSD card, then it can have a root partition on it :) Simple as that. |
| 20:53.45 | kinneh | PaulFertser: well I've failed to boot debian the instuction for uboot where long ... |
| 20:53.49 | kinneh | from sd |
| 20:54.40 | PaulFertser | kinneh: hm, i don't think there's anything special about debian. In case you don't want to boot the kernel from SD in that case. |
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| 21:48.22 | PaulFertser | lindi-: i wonder what the hell is going on in Nelson's system. Loop of "OK" is something that i can not explain by any theories... :-/ |
| 21:48.37 | lindi- | PaulFertser: loop of OK sounds like some sort of echoing |
| 21:48.54 | lindi- | i think i have seen it |
| 21:49.30 | PaulFertser | lindi-: upon power on calypso doesn't have any echo enabled. |
| 21:49.32 | PaulFertser | iirc |
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| 21:59.54 | mwester | Yes, on power up the Calypso echos all commands sent to it. Also, the default for the serial port settings are to enable echo. Thus you get the infinite echo loop -- I documented this in the original firmware notes on the wiki about 2 years ago. |
| 22:01.27 | mwester | (And why doesn't anyone use the nspy stuff to monitor the low-level serial port??) |
| 22:01.46 | mwester | NIH syndrome, I suspect. |
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| 22:02.08 | fredrin | NIH+ |
| 22:02.12 | fredrin | ? |
| 22:03.18 | lindi- | mwester: is nspy stuff in andy-tracking branch? |
| 22:06.01 | mwester | lindi-: no, never got accepted. |
| 22:06.15 | mwester | fredrin: Not Invented Here |
| 22:06.37 | fredrin | searched o'google |
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| 22:07.43 | mwester | fredrin: I would think google would know that one; it is a very common affliction of managers and companies here. |
| 22:08.12 | bruce_c | helps people stay in a job :P |
| 22:08.37 | mwester | helps jobs go "bye-bye", because it distracts companies from their core business. |
| 22:09.49 | fredrin | humm |
| 22:09.51 | bruce_c | yup, there is that too |
| 22:12.31 | fredrin | mwester: where can you find nspy? |
| 22:14.52 | mwester | fredrin: posted to the kernel mailing list several times, also in the "knife" git repo. And on my web site. And if someone asks, I might even have a patch to a very recent andy-tracking version. |
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| 22:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: nspy sounds like a cool tool |
| 22:52.09 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, echo-loopback-deadlock is a known issue described for GTA01 even |
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| 23:16.23 | DocScrutinizer | see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_and_Neo_FreeRunner_gsm_modem#Avoiding_Infinite_Echos |
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| 23:34.19 | vininim_ | raging at pyphonelog |
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