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| 03:44.34 | deeeffache | Anyone on ATT in the US with freerunner? How is the call quality? |
| 03:44.53 | mwester | The same as t-mobile |
| 03:46.40 | deeeffache | I should have asked how the call quality is compared to more standard phones on the same network |
| 03:47.03 | mwester | abysmal |
| 03:47.06 | mwester | horrible |
| 03:47.07 | mwester | awful |
| 03:47.12 | mwester | indescribably substandard |
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| 03:47.19 | mwester | unintelligable |
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| 03:47.25 | deeeffache | ... really? |
| 03:47.50 | mwester | (it gets better if you have access to someone who can do SMT soldering and can apply an unofficial hardware fix) |
| 03:47.53 | fredrin | deeeffache: depends on who you are talking too... |
| 03:48.58 | deeeffache | mwester: got a link for that hw mod? |
| 03:49.28 | mwester | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big-C_rework_SOP_rc2.pdf |
| 03:52.22 | mwester | There are those (perhaps even some on this IRC channel) who will tell you that they have never heard the buzz -- then you know that they have never been on the *other* side of a call with a freerunner (the person with the freerunner does not hear the buzz, only the other party). |
| 03:53.01 | raster | mwester: that still doiesnt fix thew echo and lack of volume |
| 03:53.10 | raster | ou can fiddle with mixer all u like |
| 03:53.23 | raster | it wont fix the problem that the case is hollow and it echos audio around it into the mic |
| 03:53.24 | mwester | Some will try to tell you that it is not bad for everyone; they miss the point --- the buzz volume depends on the transmit power that the phone has been instructed to use by the tower, so the volume of the buzz is not under any human control and will come and go as the network commands. |
| 03:53.28 | raster | (from speaker and everywhere else) |
| 03:53.35 | mwester | And raster is correct -- you still have volume problems. |
| 03:53.45 | mwester | And the speakerphone mode echos to the point of uselessness. |
| 03:53.46 | raster | the speaker needs to have volume lowered a lot to minimise fedback/ehck |
| 03:53.49 | raster | err echo |
| 03:54.01 | raster | and that pretty much makes it impossible to hear in a noisy environment |
| 03:54.07 | raster | u can fiddle with software "fixes" all u like |
| 03:54.10 | raster | and those are done |
| 03:54.16 | raster | enable some echo cancellation in gsm firmware |
| 03:54.19 | raster | play with mixer |
| 03:54.22 | mwester | and there is another fix required to get any sort of bass out of the headphone jack when you are listening to any music or mp3, etc. |
| 03:54.30 | raster | but compared to many other phones - if u are in a pub drinking with mates and get acall |
| 03:54.37 | raster | u have no chace to hear the other person ont he other end |
| 03:54.42 | raster | and they will fidn you hard to hear too |
| 03:54.52 | raster | oh yeah |
| 03:54.56 | raster | bass was a hardware problem |
| 03:54.59 | raster | i think wrong capacitor |
| 03:55.07 | mwester | It really is astonishing how many things are wrong with the audio considering that the devices is a *phone*!!! (and the audio chip is a very very good Wolfson as well) |
| 03:55.09 | raster | that totally drains all low frequency response from audio |
| 03:55.21 | raster | its a hw fix that sneeded |
| 03:55.21 | deeeffache | interesting |
| 03:55.36 | raster | as such the phone is very much a piece of "Beta" hardware |
| 03:55.45 | raster | and if it were beta - i'd expect its hw to be bleeding-edge hot |
| 03:55.48 | raster | eg beta with bugs |
| 03:55.51 | raster | but damn fast cpu |
| 03:55.55 | raster | incredible gfx |
| 03:55.57 | raster | 3g hspa+ |
| 03:56.00 | raster | and more |
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| 03:56.18 | raster | so then u go "well beta.. but they can fix the hw bugs and design issues - and by the time they do.. its still a damn good piece of hw" |
| 03:56.29 | mwester | hehe! |
| 03:56.30 | raster | but as such the hw is 3-6 years old (depending which component) |
| 03:56.35 | raster | already |
| 03:56.55 | raster | so *IF* everything gest fixed - but the time a new case design with beter aaudio properites etc. comes along |
| 03:57.02 | mwester | To be fair, though, "open" hardware will always lag. |
| 03:57.04 | raster | its like an 8 year old phone selling for a lot of $ |
| 03:57.08 | raster | mwester: true |
| 03:57.10 | raster | agreed |
| 03:57.34 | raster | imho it'd be technically possible to start a modern open phone hw design now |
| 03:57.41 | raster | base it on top-of-the-line components |
| 03:57.44 | raster | by the time its done |
| 03:57.49 | raster | its no logner bleeding edge in 12 months |
| 03:57.51 | raster | but its "good" |
| 03:58.03 | mwester | There have been recent changes in openness that make things very interesting. |
| 03:58.05 | raster | u wont be pushing the hw curve AND have it open |
| 03:58.15 | raster | but u can lage just behind the hw curve.. if u choose wisely |
| 03:58.19 | raster | yup |
| 03:58.24 | raster | for one - TI have opened up a LOT |
| 03:58.29 | mwester | I still think (as I think you do) that the omap is the best chipset for this application. |
| 03:58.45 | raster | and TI right now happen to have what at least i see as the fastest low-power SoC around |
| 03:59.29 | raster | as such they are also the most friendly to linux |
| 03:59.43 | raster | TI have provent their salt and are really pushing kernel patches upsteram themselves |
| 03:59.59 | raster | they offer their patches before theyhit mainline for better/faster dev |
| 04:00.00 | deeeffache | ti=texas instruments? soc=?? |
| 04:00.10 | raster | SoC == system on chip |
| 04:00.15 | raster | ie omap3530 |
| 04:00.18 | raster | or s3c6410 |
| 04:00.26 | raster | or s3c2442 (the gta02 uses that) |
| 04:00.36 | raster | s3c6400 (iphone uses a minor variant of that) |
| 04:00.48 | raster | some phones (plam treo's) use the pxa270 |
| 04:00.53 | raster | and so on |
| 04:01.06 | raster | its not just a cpu but a whole "system" on a single chip |
| 04:01.24 | raster | that means usb, sdio, memory controller, serial lines, cpu core, etc. etc. |
| 04:01.42 | deeeffache | wild |
| 04:02.40 | DocScrutinizer | mwester: thanks for pointing deeeffache to the right URL :-) |
| 04:02.43 | raster | most soc's require you to add flash and ram on extra chips |
| 04:02.54 | DocScrutinizer | moin raster, btw |
| 04:02.57 | raster | omap3 does it ina pop setup (with ram+flash stacked on top of the soc directly) |
| 04:03.01 | raster | DocScrutinizer: mmoooooo! |
| 04:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | deeeffache: located in europe? |
| 04:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | deeeffache: need the components for buzzfix? :-) |
| 04:04.08 | deeeffache | US |
| 04:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | oh, too bad |
| 04:04.33 | deeeffache | trying to decide if the phone is for me |
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| 04:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | errr, phone for you ....oO(???) |
| 04:05.20 | deeeffache | If i should buy a freerunner |
| 04:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | ah whether that's THE PHONE for you. |
| 04:06.05 | deeeffache | aye |
| 04:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | nope, that's a computer, accidentially happening to work as a phone (sometimes!) |
| 04:07.39 | deeeffache | it would be pretty sweet to have Linux in my pocket, but im really more interested in it just being a phone then computer |
| 04:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | for a pocket size computer it's really great |
| 04:09.12 | DocScrutinizer | for mere phone purposes, there's a lot of cheap contract phones out there that do a job at least at par to FR |
| 04:10.13 | DocScrutinizer | (btw same is true for really braindead expensive phones like Samsung OMNIA ;-) |
| 04:11.58 | DocScrutinizer | for classifying FR for a |
| 04:12.00 | deeeffache | Yeah, i have several cheapo phones. Looking for something nicer though. I was ready to spring on the kogan agora with android, till they scrapped that. |
| 04:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | 2just phone" that's happen to run linux |
| 04:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | it'll take another 2..22months ;-) |
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| 04:13.06 | raster | deeeffache: right now the closest to linux in your pocket you get is a motrola ezx based phone |
| 04:13.12 | raster | but they are locked down pretty well |
| 04:13.25 | raster | you can hack up a treo650/680 (palm) with linux |
| 04:13.35 | raster | but for now usability isnt there - only partly done |
| 04:13.37 | raster | some htc phones |
| 04:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | raster: no it's clearly FR |
| 04:14.05 | raster | but really. if u get the htc dream (g1) dev phone its the closest to a fully backed linux phone .. tho thats just a kernel |
| 04:14.08 | raster | userspace is android |
| 04:14.16 | DocScrutinizer | (closest to linux in Ur pocket) |
| 04:14.21 | raster | DocScrutinizer: well other than fr |
| 04:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 04:14.45 | raster | fr is not the most reliable phone out there |
| 04:14.55 | raster | probably on the bottom end of solid/reliable |
| 04:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 04:15.51 | deeeffache | I really want an open development platform on it, and im prepared for some troubles which i cause. But if I dont touch the software/hardware at all, I expect the phone to be comparable to whats on the market now |
| 04:16.19 | DocScrutinizer | won't happen |
| 04:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | sw is developing rapidly |
| 04:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | more rapidly than any other device with gsm you might find |
| 04:17.10 | DocScrutinizer | so U *have* to touch sw, to get good new stuff |
| 04:17.17 | raster | deeeffache: it wont be close to comparable WITHOUT touching it |
| 04:17.24 | raster | you will need to reflahs with newer updated images |
| 04:17.25 | raster | and so on |
| 04:17.32 | raster | and track their development as they fix things |
| 04:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | right now there's the "usability break-even" point |
| 04:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | a lot of ppl think it's good enough for basic (*rather* basic) everyday usage now |
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| 04:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | If ppl jump on that train, it'll run faster |
| 04:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | if ppl decide to wait until things become "finalized" -- it'll probably never go to happen |
| 04:23.38 | DocScrutinizer | anyway - - night folks :-) |
| 04:23.50 | DocScrutinizer | have a nice easter |
| 04:27.23 | raster | nacht! |
| 04:27.31 | DocScrutinizer | :) |
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| 05:52.31 | spaetz | 'But if I dont touch the software/hardware at all, I expect the phone to be comparable to whats on the market now |
| 05:52.38 | spaetz | ' hahaha |
| 05:52.49 | spaetz | funny |
| 05:53.10 | ndnihil | shakes his head |
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| 06:01.28 | Wonka | spaetz: who's the idiot who said that? |
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| 09:34.14 | Heinervdm | Is there a problem with usb networking on shr-unstable? I'm getting an error that usb0 doesn't exists since a upgrade two weeks ago |
| 09:34.38 | ndnihil | not that I've heard of |
| 09:34.47 | ndnihil | but that means nothing |
| 09:34.59 | Heinervdm | with shr-testing ist wokrs |
| 09:35.09 | ndnihil | yep, running testing here |
| 09:35.11 | ndnihil | works fine |
| 09:35.49 | Heinervdm | with the unstable images of Om it isn't working too |
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| 09:37.59 | Wonka | Heinervdm: did you try "modprobe g_ether"? |
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| 09:38.20 | Heinervdm | Wonka: no |
| 09:39.01 | Heinervdm | i will try, but i've to reflash first, my icons are gone, because i upgraded now form shr-testing to unstable ;) |
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| 09:57.19 | hongjiujing | hi,everyone |
| 09:57.21 | hongjiujing | anyone who are now using s3c6410? |
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| 10:08.52 | Heinervdm | Wonka: thats wired, i flashed it the third time now, but now it's working out of the box |
| 10:08.55 | neomilium | Hi, anybody has already tried to compile OpenWrt for FreeRunner, here ? |
| 10:09.23 | neomilium | I used theses instructions to compile OpenWrt : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenWrt |
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| 10:10.22 | neomilium | But I can't be able to have a "full" profile.. xglamo, enlightement, etc |
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| 11:33.00 | freerunnerlive | hi does anyone tst that image ? koolu-1.0-b6-rc1.tar.gz |
| 11:37.04 | neomilium | freerunnerlive : beta 6 ? for koolu ? |
| 11:38.30 | freerunnerlive | maybe |
| 11:38.35 | freerunnerlive | frm 6 april |
| 11:39.31 | neomilium | do you have some link to download it ? |
| 11:40.05 | freerunnerlive | http://koolu.org/releases/ |
| 11:40.23 | neomilium | http://freerunner.android.koolu.com/release-files only talk about beta 1, 2 & 3 |
| 11:40.27 | neomilium | thx |
| 11:41.19 | neomilium | what do you want to know about this version ? |
| 11:42.12 | freerunnerlive | i flashed the image file and the kernel and i'm waiting with the koolu logo but it does not boot |
| 11:42.25 | freerunnerlive | i have a vfat and a ext3 partition |
| 11:44.30 | neomilium | how did you proceed to flash ? using automated microSD install or using dfu-util ? |
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| 11:46.59 | freerunnerlive | dfu |
| 11:50.47 | neomilium | I had tried beta4 using microSD automated flash, nothing to say about boot : no problem |
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| 11:53.00 | Zorkman | neomilium: automated sd install? what's that |
| 11:54.03 | neomilium | It's the "new" way used by koolu to flash bootload, kernel and rootfs |
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| 11:55.04 | neomilium | you put the content of "android-freerunner-koolu-1.0-beta-4-rc1.tar" into formatted (vfat or ext2) microSD |
| 11:55.23 | neomilium | you boot to microSD using NOR bootloader |
| 11:56.04 | neomilium | and flash proceed without using PC and/or dfu-util |
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| 12:03.10 | neomilium | freerunnerlive : what bootloader have you ? |
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| 12:13.11 | adi1 | hi all |
| 12:14.17 | adi1 | im willing to spend around 200-250⬠for a smartphone or touchscreen. im using ubuntu. i wanted to know who is the most linux friendly smartphone? |
| 12:14.42 | adi1 | anyone any idea? |
| 12:14.44 | adi1 | thanks |
| 12:15.04 | Zorkman | adi1; i only have a FR so i would say the freerunner :) |
| 12:15.18 | Zorkman | but it's more something to tinker with |
| 12:15.37 | raster | adi1: linux friendly in what way? |
| 12:15.47 | raster | ie so you can "sync" with your linux desktop/laptop |
| 12:15.51 | raster | or that RUNS linux? |
| 12:16.02 | Zorkman | like "it doesn't blow up when you mention linux"? :) |
| 12:16.03 | adi1 | cause i know is a pain to deal with pc suite of nokia and itune and stuff |
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| 12:16.38 | adi1 | fr its out of my budget |
| 12:16.50 | adi1 | here in it costs 299⬠|
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| 12:17.12 | adi1 | im willing a nokia or a used iphone |
| 12:17.47 | adi1 | but i dont know if i can install any os in nokias like you do on a pc |
| 12:17.57 | raster | you cant |
| 12:18.00 | raster | (the simple version) |
| 12:18.19 | adi1 | get a piece of hardware and even if it comes proprietary you install other os |
| 12:18.32 | adi1 | so nokia it's only symbian |
| 12:18.43 | adi1 | and htc? |
| 12:18.53 | raster | nokia uses symbian (pretty much) |
| 12:18.58 | adi1 | can i install some android or elese |
| 12:19.00 | raster | htc are almost entirely windows mobile |
| 12:19.07 | raster | except the htc dream (g1) |
| 12:19.12 | raster | thats android |
| 12:19.17 | raster | (anroid != linux) |
| 12:19.27 | adi1 | and fr? |
| 12:19.36 | raster | motorola's use linux on some of their older phones |
| 12:19.41 | raster | (the ezx based ones) |
| 12:19.54 | raster | but its pretty locked down (not hackable) |
| 12:20.12 | raster | iphone uses bsd kernel + variant of osx |
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| 12:20.41 | raster | but basically no phones are really "linux friendly" |
| 12:20.44 | adi1 | so what do you suggest for a budget of max 250⬠and a laptop using ubuntu? |
| 12:20.50 | raster | even the ones using linxu cater to the masses - who dont use linux |
| 12:21.10 | raster | the best you can do is get something easy to develop for |
| 12:21.19 | raster | and write your own software for your phone to "sync" etc. with linux |
| 12:21.32 | raster | so far windows mobile or palmos based devices might be best |
| 12:21.34 | raster | the most open |
| 12:21.37 | adi1 | i dont know programin |
| 12:21.49 | raster | then you're pretty much out of luck |
| 12:21.55 | adi1 | :):) |
| 12:21.56 | raster | linux isnt a supported os |
| 12:21.58 | Zorkman | adi1: http://openmoko.kd85.com/µ |
| 12:21.58 | raster | from anyone |
| 12:22.01 | raster | (i know of) |
| 12:22.04 | Zorkman | freerunner for 210 euro |
| 12:22.15 | Zorkman | http://openmoko.kd85.com/ i mean |
| 12:22.16 | adi1 | what? |
| 12:22.18 | adi1 | 210 |
| 12:22.28 | raster | Zorkman: even then h'ed need to be coding to get any form of "sync" going |
| 12:22.57 | adi1 | thanks zorkman |
| 12:23.09 | Zorkman | indeed; but in the future someone will make "sync" work |
| 12:23.13 | adi1 | does this fr have a wifi ? |
| 12:23.27 | Zorkman | np adi1; but inform yourself VERY good before buying one |
| 12:23.35 | adi1 | what os comes with? |
| 12:23.44 | Zorkman | yes, it has wifi, but it doesn't work on every distro as good as it ought to do |
| 12:24.10 | Zorkman | adi1: you chose, fso/shr/om200x.y/android/gentoo/hackable/debian... |
| 12:24.27 | adi1 | ok im going to do my home work on fr now |
| 12:24.49 | Zorkman | ok, read a lot in the wiki, know problems and such, don't be a afraid to ask questions in here |
| 12:25.04 | Zorkman | I use my fr as a daily phone, but not everyone does it for example |
| 12:25.31 | neomilium | Zorkman : what distro do you use ? |
| 12:25.36 | adi1 | you mean i should know to managed things to use it |
| 12:25.40 | adi1 | ubuntu |
| 12:25.53 | adi1 | im not a hacker |
| 12:26.20 | adi1 | but im bored of this selling hardware with no freedom on apps and oss |
| 12:26.31 | Zorkman | neomilium: i use shr (testing and unstable) |
| 12:26.41 | henk | adi1: don't expect the FR to work like any phone yu know... |
| 12:26.48 | adi1 | i just wanna buy something that can be modified |
| 12:26.53 | henk | afaik there is not even a decent dialer application... |
| 12:26.54 | Zorkman | adi1: i'm also no hacker; freerunner was like my first real linux experience, apart from livecd's :) |
| 12:27.06 | lindi- | adi1: there are irritating bugs in the proprietary OS which are difficult for us to fix |
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| 12:27.42 | adi1 | so this fr is going to work as a phone, wifi, gsm, and some media player |
| 12:27.50 | adi1 | thats all i need |
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| 12:28.20 | Zorkman | adi1: it SHOULD work like one |
| 12:28.22 | lindi- | adi1: almost everything else than gsm works quite ok :) |
| 12:28.23 | henk | adi1: it's not going to work as a phone, wifi, gsm and a media player. |
| 12:28.30 | Zorkman | read a lot about it first :) |
| 12:28.33 | ndnihil | gsm works fine for me |
| 12:28.42 | ndnihil | slow, but that's it |
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| 12:28.48 | Zorkman | same here |
| 12:28.52 | lindi- | ndnihil: there are many bugs still in the gsm chip software, you just haven't hit them :) |
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| 12:29.15 | ndnihil | I had issues with moko9 firmware, but moko11 has been fine so far |
| 12:29.18 | lindi- | ndnihil: moko11 fixed one indeed |
| 12:29.21 | lindi- | ndnihil: the http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2231 |
| 12:29.43 | lindi- | ndnihil: even moko11 still has http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 but we have workaround for that (AT%SLEEP=2) |
| 12:30.07 | ndnihil | mine hasn't done the 1024 thing |
| 12:30.12 | lindi- | ndnihil: in any case, it's still a bug that increases energy consumption |
| 12:30.41 | adi1 | ok thanks guys |
| 12:30.43 | lindi- | ndnihil: if you heat or cool X1001 down you should it it if I understood dieter's comments right |
| 12:30.47 | adi1 | useful info in here |
| 12:30.50 | lindi- | s/it/hit/ |
| 12:30.55 | adi1 | thanks :) |
| 12:30.56 | lindi- | adi1: i can share you my bug list :) |
| 12:31.05 | adi1 | ok go |
| 12:31.16 | lindi- | adi1: http://paste.nerv.fi/83821423.txt |
| 12:31.24 | adi1 | :) |
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| 12:34.46 | lindi- | adi1: if I only we had source code to nucleus plus realtime operating system that does the gsm stuff :( |
| 12:35.30 | adi1 | i get the sens of it but you still talking arab to me |
| 12:35.57 | adi1 | i dont know much about source code and programming |
| 12:36.06 | lindi- | adi1: ok, then it's quite difficult :/ |
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| 12:36.14 | adi1 | yep |
| 12:36.51 | raster | adi1: freerunenr is good.. if u are up for hacking |
| 12:36.53 | adi1 | do you think i can manage to use fr as a alternative of some nokia at 200⬠value? |
| 12:37.01 | raster | that means reflashng the os, screwing with packages |
| 12:37.07 | raster | at a minimum writing up scripts |
| 12:37.17 | lindi- | adi1: probably not due to these gsm chip bugs |
| 12:37.20 | raster | probably in the ned u want an openembedded based build env workign to build extra software for it |
| 12:37.23 | raster | and to patch and fix it |
| 12:37.42 | adi1 | i see |
| 12:37.50 | raster | if u are willing to accept that it is mildly buggy |
| 12:37.53 | raster | has shortcomings |
| 12:38.10 | raster | wont work as well as your regular 50eur phone when it comes to being a "phone" |
| 12:38.16 | raster | then its ok |
| 12:38.18 | raster | otherwise |
| 12:38.25 | adi1 | but its exating to have something that you can be curious about it |
| 12:38.27 | raster | you're in for an experience you didn't expect |
| 12:38.35 | raster | sure |
| 12:38.39 | raster | thats up to you |
| 12:38.42 | raster | if you get a freerunenr |
| 12:38.54 | raster | and expect it to be as functional when it comes to being a phone as every other one |
| 12:39.04 | raster | and thnig "well it does the basicis, and i can modify/add to it" |
| 12:39.08 | raster | then you'll be disappointed |
| 12:39.19 | raster | if you have such a tight budget |
| 12:39.23 | adi1 | ok i see |
| 12:39.27 | raster | you wont be able to go buy another phone to replace it |
| 12:39.30 | raster | and you'll feel unhappy |
| 12:39.46 | saracen | I'm a little disappointed. I guess it's lack of research on my behalf. I expected the software to be further along than it was. |
| 12:39.47 | raster | if you have the spare money to "waste" on it - if it doesnt meet your expectations, the money isnt much of a loss |
| 12:39.50 | raster | then its agood toy |
| 12:40.16 | adi1 | yeah right. |
| 12:40.22 | lindi- | saracen: which software do you mean? |
| 12:40.35 | adi1 | dont know ...im gonna have a look first |
| 12:40.46 | adi1 | but thanks for info :) |
| 12:41.27 | saracen | lindi-: Well, all of it really :). I mean, the different stacks/distros |
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| 12:41.36 | saracen | The notes about if you're wanting to use it as an actual phone, use qtopia... Sort of misleading, since theres still a bunch of problems. |
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| 12:43.47 | lindi- | saracen: the only special software i use is kernel, Xorg driver, ogsmd and a dialer |
| 12:44.05 | lindi- | saracen: everything else is the same software I use on my PC too |
| 12:44.09 | Dave | Rasterman. |
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| 12:45.07 | raster | pantsman |
| 12:45.12 | Dave | heh :p |
| 12:45.15 | Dave | Affirmative! |
| 12:47.13 | s_p | i am using shr-testing, where can i configure which icons to display on the home screen ? |
| 12:47.33 | raster | all installed apps display there |
| 12:47.59 | ndnihil | s_p: grab a package called 'sortdesk' |
| 12:48.55 | s_p | ndnihil, will try that |
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| 13:49.22 | frankS2 | Hello, i can not get wlan to work in SHR? :( |
| 13:49.41 | frankS2 | ifconfig wlan0 not found |
| 13:49.42 | frankS2 | ifconfig -a |
| 13:49.45 | frankS2 | do not show either |
| 13:50.24 | lindi- | frankS2: ip link? |
| 13:50.38 | frankS2 | lindi-: ip link? |
| 13:50.44 | frankS2 | ah |
| 13:50.44 | frankS2 | no |
| 13:50.49 | frankS2 | just lo,usb0 and pan0 |
| 13:51.13 | spaetz | frankS2: turn wifi on first |
| 13:51.24 | frankS2 | spaetz: where? |
| 13:51.31 | spaetz | eg via shr-settings |
| 13:51.48 | spaetz | its off by default |
| 13:52.14 | frankS2 | spaetz: ah lol, i found that |
| 13:52.22 | frankS2 | spaetz: i didnt know i had to drag it to work |
| 13:52.30 | frankS2 | spaetz: i thought it was just click and nothung happend |
| 13:52.57 | spaetz | yep, toggle is inspired by apple, i think |
| 13:53.12 | spaetz | need to drag |
| 13:53.55 | frankS2 | =) |
| 13:54.01 | frankS2 | Now i just need to find a wlan app |
| 13:54.04 | frankS2 | that can browse nets |
| 13:54.36 | frankS2 | any tips spaetz ? |
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| 14:00.11 | spaetz | nope, i just use it for my home wlan |
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| 17:50.07 | ossguy | when I try to boot my Freerunner, the red light in the aux button flashes, but nothing happens |
| 17:50.32 | ossguy | it's plugged into my computer, which reports "unable to enumerate USB device on port 1" in dmesg each time I try to boot it |
| 17:50.57 | ossguy | it has been working fine up until I tried booting it yesterday (after about a week of not using it) |
| 17:51.16 | ossguy | I suspect the battery is drained, but that has never caused problems in the past |
| 17:51.35 | ossguy | what can I try to get it booting again? |
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| 17:58.45 | max_posedon | ossguy, remove battery from neo |
| 17:58.51 | max_posedon | and try boot without it |
| 17:59.56 | ossguy | just tried; it's less successful |
| 18:00.03 | ossguy | I don't get anything when I press the power button |
| 18:00.10 | ossguy | whether I am holding down AUX or not |
| 18:00.19 | ossguy | (obviously, I have the USB cable plugged into my computer) |
| 18:00.32 | bruce_j_c | ossguy: try plugging it into the charger for a long time (8 hours?) |
| 18:00.50 | ossguy | I had it plugged into my computer all last night |
| 18:00.58 | ossguy | and it was the same this morning as yesterday |
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| 18:01.22 | ossguy | or did you mean a different charger? |
| 18:01.24 | bruce_j_c | I've had the same problem; some combination of button pressing and removing/replacing the battery fixed it |
| 18:01.37 | bruce_j_c | ossguy: I meant the wall charger: I think it provides a higher current |
| 18:01.37 | ossguy | can you elaborate on "some combination"? :) |
| 18:01.47 | ossguy | oh, I see |
| 18:01.59 | bruce_j_c | ossguy: sorry I can't - I just know it randomly started working again |
| 18:01.59 | ossguy | I don't have the wall charger with me, but I can try that later |
| 18:02.46 | bruce_j_c | though I'm running QI bootloader so it might be different with u-boot |
| 18:02.55 | ossguy | perhaps |
| 18:04.30 | ossguy | in case it helps, I also get the little speaker crackle when I press the power button |
| 18:04.41 | ossguy | (the one you normally hear when it boots up properly) |
| 18:04.57 | ossguy | but only when it is plugged into my computer and the battery is installed |
| 18:05.38 | bruce_j_c | have you tried pressing AUX both before and after pressing the power button? |
| 18:05.51 | bruce_j_c | (i.e. booting both from NOR and NAND) |
| 18:07.47 | ossguy | I get the same behavior as with booting to NOR or normal booting |
| 18:08.33 | ossguy | as another note, the first time I tried booting it after leaving it for a week, it got to the boot prompt fine (the NOR prompt) and I started booting it off the microSD card |
| 18:08.41 | ossguy | but when I looked at it a couple minutes later, it was off |
| 18:08.48 | ossguy | and since then, I have been unable to get it to boot |
| 18:14.21 | max_posedon | ossguy, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues |
| 18:14.37 | max_posedon | plz read now to *correct* boot neo without battery |
| 18:14.51 | PaulFertser | Heinervdm: tried "depmod -a"? |
| 18:14.56 | max_posedon | it little bit different |
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| 18:15.45 | Heinervdm | PaulFertser: my problem has vanished after reflashing the 3. time |
| 18:16.16 | PaulFertser | Heinervdm: no comments |
| 18:17.58 | ossguy | max_posedon: I tried option #5 (hold AUX, then plug in USB cable) with no luck |
| 18:18.19 | ossguy | I also tried pressing the power button after doing that |
| 18:18.34 | bruce_j_c | heh, that sounds a bit like my 'random' sequence :P |
| 18:18.36 | max_posedon | press AUX, plug in USB, release AUX; press AUX+POWER |
| 18:18.54 | ossguy | I'll try it out :) |
| 18:18.59 | PaulFertser | ossguy: without external power source or battery you won't be able to boot freerunner at all. Either attach battery or another battery or a lab power supply. |
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| 18:19.56 | ossguy | no luck with the magic sequence |
| 18:19.57 | Heinervdm | PaulFertser: it was strange: updatet kernel from 2.6.27 to 2.6.28 -> doesn't, reflashed 2.6.28 doesn't work, flashed 2.6.27 worked again, then flashed 3 times 2.6.28 and then it worked... |
| 18:20.20 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i don't like that description ;) Plugging in USB will initiate power on (that configuration of pcf50633). If you hold AUX during power on, it will boot from NOR. No need to depress it. Then you're in NOR, do what you want. |
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| 18:20.49 | BABII33GURRL | Enter text here...OMG SO MANY PEOPLE IN HERE |
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| 18:21.08 | PaulFertser | Heinervdm: all you needed is "depmod -a". And flashing is a way to hide problem, not to solve it. Instead of investigating you just gave up and did not so useful thing. Well, what can i say... |
| 18:21.17 | ossguy | PaulFertser: by "external power source" do you mean wall power? or just USB power? |
| 18:21.42 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, you know, try it with neo, your sequence just doesn't work) |
| 18:21.57 | max_posedon | plugin usb doesn't switching on neo |
| 18:22.02 | saracen | Isn't that essentially the same thing? As the power supply supplied just goes to a usb-plug |
| 18:22.26 | PaulFertser | ossguy: either battery or some equivalent (lab power supply) attached to the battery terminal. USB only is not enough to boot freerunner, because before usb enumeration it can draw maximum 100mA from it and it dies after trying to turn on backlight (that happens before usb enumeration). |
| 18:22.34 | BABII33GURRL | hello? |
| 18:22.41 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: it should. |
| 18:22.47 | BABII33GURRL | hellooo |
| 18:22.48 | BABII33GURRL | ? |
| 18:22.57 | BABII33GURRL | you speak english? |
| 18:23.02 | PaulFertser | BABII33GURRL: either shut up or talk. No stupid hellos please. |
| 18:23.04 | BABII33GURRL | because im having a hard time |
| 18:23.06 | ossguy | so what is the best way to avoid discharging the battery completely? |
| 18:23.17 | ossguy | take it out when not using it? |
| 18:23.21 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, e.g. you mean, press AUX, plug USB -> neo starting? (it isn't happens) |
| 18:23.22 | ossguy | seems like a bit of a hack :) |
| 18:23.26 | PaulFertser | ossguy: fso is initiating shutdown automatically. |
| 18:23.51 | BABII33GURRL | I got lost. |
| 18:23.56 | PaulFertser | ossguy: after proper shutdown freerunner won't draw power from the battery. |
| 18:24.00 | max_posedon | ossguy, try follow instrunctions, try 40 times), but it really helps) |
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| 18:24.08 | ossguy | I see; so just don't leave it in suspend then |
| 18:24.31 | PaulFertser | ossguy: yes, i usually leave it plugged to my pc during night. |
| 18:24.40 | ossguy | ok |
| 18:25.01 | ossguy | have people had luck with swapping in a full battery, powering on, then swapping in the empty battery to charge? |
| 18:25.02 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: and by starting what do you mean? Do you have a battery in? |
| 18:25.13 | PaulFertser | ossguy: sure, that's the easiest method. |
| 18:25.20 | ossguy | I have a friend with a Freerunner so I could probably borrow his battery for a bit |
| 18:25.27 | PaulFertser | ossguy: any nokia battery will suit (or a lab psu). |
| 18:25.39 | PaulFertser | ossguy: just borrow some nokia |
| 18:25.59 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, I speak with ossguy about booting *without* battery |
| 18:26.10 | PaulFertser | ossguy: or find 3 AA batteries. |
| 18:26.30 | max_posedon | sequence is really magic, but it really works |
| 18:26.47 | ossguy | max_posedon: I tried the sequence you mentioned; no magic |
| 18:26.53 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: how can you boot without battery? Does NAND u-boot enumerates to usb before turning on backlight on while NOR doesn't? |
| 18:26.54 | ossguy | unless you have another one |
| 18:27.07 | PaulFertser | ossguy: can't you just find 3 AA batteries? |
| 18:27.16 | PaulFertser | ossguy: or even 2 is enough. |
| 18:27.19 | max_posedon | PaulFertser, once more (just try) |
| 18:27.23 | max_posedon | 1. remove battery |
| 18:27.25 | ossguy | and the wires to get them connected appropriately? I doubt it |
| 18:27.29 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i don't have u-boot in nand. |
| 18:27.39 | PaulFertser | ossguy: you have no wires at all? |
| 18:27.42 | max_posedon | doesn't metter |
| 18:27.49 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: it does |
| 18:27.51 | max_posedon | 2. plug in USB |
| 18:27.59 | ossguy | not here; I'm away from home currently |
| 18:28.00 | max_posedon | 3. release AUX |
| 18:28.05 | max_posedon | 5. press AUX+POWER |
| 18:28.11 | max_posedon | s/5/4 |
| 18:28.21 | bruce_j_c | not everyone has an electronics lab at home :P |
| 18:28.30 | ossguy | max_posedon: 0. press and hold AUX? |
| 18:28.46 | max_posedon | orospakr, 1.5 |
| 18:28.47 | max_posedon | ) |
| 18:28.55 | max_posedon | ossguy, |
| 18:29.06 | ossguy | right, 1.5 |
| 18:29.25 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: your sequence will do exactly that: 1. Turns on freerunner 2. powers on freerunner. It boots to NAND and dies because it has no current 4. boots to NOR. |
| 18:30.04 | max_posedon | so, ossguy can plugin battery and charge it! |
| 18:30.05 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i'll try it now |
| 18:30.11 | ossguy | max_posedon: tried again, no luck |
| 18:30.21 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: iif NOR u-boot negotiates 500mA power before turning on BL. |
| 18:30.25 | ossguy | I think I'll just find another battery to boot with |
| 18:30.30 | ossguy | then swap in the dead one to charge it |
| 18:30.36 | ossguy | shouldn't be too hard once I get home |
| 18:31.59 | ossguy | thanks max_posedon, PaulFertser, bruce_j_c |
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| 18:32.25 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: you're right, it can be booted to NOR without battery. |
| 18:32.35 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: i'll try to provide 100% working instructions now. |
| 18:32.41 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: thanks a lot for the idea! |
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| 18:32.55 | max_posedon | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware_Issues |
| 18:32.58 | max_posedon | at step 5 |
| 18:33.19 | max_posedon | all already documented, but may be with little bit hard to understand words |
| 18:33.33 | PaulFertser | ossguy: you definetely has a chance to charge the battery, just be patient |
| 18:33.44 | ossguy | for the record, those steps (link above) don't work for me |
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| 18:34.56 | PaulFertser | ossguy: try that: without the battery; wait 5 sec; hold AUX (don't depress it at all ever); plug in usb; if it doesn't show NOR u-boot, press and hold POWER until it does. |
| 18:36.12 | ossguy | PaulFertser: no luck |
| 18:36.18 | ossguy | can I let go of AUX now? :) |
| 18:36.21 | PaulFertser | max_posedon: this method can also depend on how fast the host enumerates the device. |
| 18:36.32 | PaulFertser | ossguy: have pressed POWER for long enough? ;) |
| 18:37.01 | max_posedon | ossguy, can you try same, but with classic charger? |
| 18:37.15 | ossguy | I'm trying to remember is this came with the Freerunner? |
| 18:37.18 | ossguy | is it supposed to? |
| 18:37.38 | bruce_c | yes, there's an openmoko plug |
| 18:37.43 | ossguy | is it a USB to wall power adapter? |
| 18:37.46 | PaulFertser | ossguy: my instructions work for me 100%. Looks like it's really host-dependent... |
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| 18:37.48 | bruce_c | yup |
| 18:38.14 | bruce_c | ossguy: the usb lead isn't detachable either - it's hardwired to the plug |
| 18:40.01 | ossguy | bruce_c: you mean it's a 120V AC to mini-B adapter? |
| 18:40.13 | max_posedon | ossguy, yes |
| 18:40.21 | ossguy | I see |
| 18:40.26 | ossguy | I definitely don't have that with me |
| 18:40.32 | ossguy | that's ok, I'll just wait until I get home |
| 18:40.42 | max_posedon | try it when you will have |
| 18:40.42 | ossguy | now I have lots of solutions to choose from :) |
| 18:40.46 | shellevil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8khIEtd5ANs&feature=related |
| 18:40.48 | shellevil | oops |
| 18:40.58 | max_posedon | might be your host can produce enough power |
| 18:41.03 | max_posedon | (usb1.1?) |
| 18:41.32 | ossguy | I'm using a 5-yr old laptop with USB 2 |
| 18:41.44 | ossguy | Freerunner connected directly (not through hub) |
| 18:42.04 | PaulFertser | ossguy: you can try one more time: plug in USB, press AUX, hold power (the aux red led should flash). Wait 2 sec. If you don't see NOR u-boot, depress everything; press AUX, then press POWER (aux led should flash), wait 2 sec. Etc. |
| 18:42.25 | ossguy | with or without battery? |
| 18:42.39 | PaulFertser | ossguy: without |
| 18:43.28 | bruce_c | since the wiki points here: running 'make fso-gta02-testing-image' using the MokoMakefile results in the error 'ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'fso-image''. Anyone know what's wrong? |
| 18:43.41 | PaulFertser | ossguy: it works for me now, i've tried it more than 20 times :) |
| 18:44.26 | PaulFertser | ossguy: so, don't unplug usb at all. |
| 18:44.35 | bruce_c | this is on a new Ubuntu installation from a few days ago. I've run all the setup/update commands too. |
| 18:44.39 | PaulFertser | ossguy: and wait for 5 sec between tries (with all keys depressed) |
| 18:46.04 | ossguy | not working after ~15 tries |
| 18:46.10 | ossguy | I'll try it on my XO-1 now |
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| 18:48.23 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: you want to make an image not supported anymore, i guess. |
| 18:49.02 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: if you do find -name \*-image there, you'll understand what images are available. |
| 18:49.19 | ossguy | doesn't work on the XO-1 either (trying without battery in both cases) |
| 18:49.29 | PaulFertser | ossguy: heh, works for me |
| 18:49.38 | ossguy | what's your host like? |
| 18:50.57 | PaulFertser | ossguy: VIA KT400 motherboard (Sempron 2400+ CPU) running GNU/Linux (2.6.14) (yes, i know that's ancient) |
| 18:51.21 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: thanks! It seems only mileston5 exists now |
| 18:52.16 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: there should be some unstable images too, i guess. Or you might want to build SHR instead, its unstable uses FSO from git HEAD as well as the latest git kernel. |
| 18:53.55 | bruce_c | I've heard people talking about SHR, I might try that. |
| 18:55.38 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: you can also install paroli on SHR and take part in developing that. |
| 18:57.30 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: actually my idea was to strip it all back to basics and develop my own system without englightenment, python etc. |
| 18:57.49 | bruce_c | I think those things take too much CPU and memory |
| 18:58.04 | ossguy | my current location might not have wires for hooking up 3 AAs, but it does have a Nokia phone :) |
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| 18:58.29 | ossguy | trying its battery now... |
| 18:58.54 | max_posedon | bruce_c, many people had same idea before reading shr/fso documentation |
| 18:58.56 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: python is inherently needed for FSO anyway. You might be interested to help developing FSO2 (cornucopia) which is Vala. |
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| 18:59.24 | Chocky_ | goddamit. |
| 18:59.26 | Chocky_ | swears at Ultrahosting |
| 18:59.44 | Chocks | also swears at Dave, for relief. |
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| 19:00.16 | bruce_c | max_posedon: what stops them? The realisation that all the infrastructure is in place? |
| 19:00.19 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: for really barebone basics you might want angstrom console image or even minimal OE distro. |
| 19:00.49 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: yup I think that's probably where I should start |
| 19:00.51 | Chocks | Can anyone recommend a virtual hosting provider in the US who actually has a clue, and is relatively cheap? |
| 19:00.55 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: (if it works at all, can be non-functional atm) |
| 19:00.59 | Chocks | maybe those are mutually exclusive |
| 19:01.03 | max_posedon | bruce_c, freesmartphone-framework require python |
| 19:01.04 | bruce_c | Chocks: linode? |
| 19:01.08 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: but how are you going to have telephony? |
| 19:01.18 | Chocks | + will give me Debian |
| 19:01.42 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: Vala is mad effective, as it's compiled to C first. |
| 19:01.53 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: I'm more interested in GPS at the moment, and can't telephony be done through a device node? i.e it doesn't need the framework |
| 19:02.03 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: yeah, Vala looks interesting |
| 19:02.11 | ossguy | and it boots! |
| 19:02.28 | Chocks | bruce_c: hrm. |
| 19:02.31 | ossguy | with a Nokia BL-5C battery |
| 19:02.39 | ossguy | though the battery status reporting doesn't work |
| 19:02.46 | ossguy | which is somewhat expected |
| 19:03.00 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: you need to support plenty of modem-specific strange commands etc. Proved to be not an easy task. And after that everybody understands that some framework is needed anyway ;) |
| 19:03.04 | ossguy | now to plug in USB, swap batteries, and hope it charges |
| 19:03.23 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: do you have a link to the cornucopia project? |
| 19:03.28 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: sure |
| 19:04.00 | Chocks | bruce_c: dammit. they're honest in their FAQ. no BS. |
| 19:04.03 | bruce_c | I just want to start understanding openmoko from the ground up I guess |
| 19:04.34 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=summary |
| 19:04.46 | ossguy | is there anything particular I need to do to get it charging? |
| 19:04.52 | PaulFertser | ossguy: no |
| 19:05.03 | ossguy | the battery status doesn't change to the usual "charging" icon |
| 19:05.09 | ossguy | which is why I wonder |
| 19:05.19 | PaulFertser | ossguy: i hope it will change soon |
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| 19:07.27 | PaulFertser | ossguy: probably you just need to restart E to get normal charging icon. |
| 19:07.33 | ossguy | hmmm, it's not. however, I just unplugged the USB and plugged it back in and it didn't die |
| 19:07.38 | ossguy | though the icon still isn't there |
| 19:07.40 | ossguy | fair enough |
| 19:07.43 | PaulFertser | ossguy: restart E |
| 19:07.46 | ossguy | I can do /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 19:08.01 | Chocks | xdm on FR - oh dear ;-) |
| 19:08.04 | PaulFertser | ossguy: hm, i wouldn't suggest it without screen. At least it doesn't work on debian. |
| 19:08.27 | ossguy | wait, I meant /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 19:08.28 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: so does cornucopia build on top of SHR? It doesn't look like a full distribution |
| 19:08.29 | PaulFertser | ossguy: because it does stop, then controlling terminal closes, then it doesn't start X. So either via ssh or in screen. |
| 19:08.30 | ossguy | is that bad? |
| 19:08.33 | Chocks | laffs |
| 19:08.44 | Chocks | xdm is the very old school display manager. |
| 19:08.49 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: no, cornucopia is like FSO2 (rewritten from scratch in new language). |
| 19:08.50 | Chocks | like gdm/kdm |
| 19:09.01 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: not a distro, just middleware. Should work on any distro. |
| 19:09.19 | bruce_c | ok |
| 19:09.54 | ossguy | ah, there we go |
| 19:10.06 | ossguy | /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop/start got X back |
| 19:10.11 | ossguy | and the charging icon is there |
| 19:10.14 | ossguy | looks like I'm good to go |
| 19:10.18 | ossguy | thanks, everyone! |
| 19:10.20 | PaulFertser | ossguy: congrats |
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| 19:24.45 | husku | PaulFertser: any link on cornucopia, googling did not help too much... |
| 19:29.24 | bruce_c | husku: http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Cornucopia |
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| 20:31.49 | bruce_c | has anyone tried running the build under an OS other than Linux? I'm wondering if for FreeBSD I can just copy the line for x86_64-linux and name it amd64-freebsd |
| 20:32.16 | bruce_c | (in openembedded/site/siteinfo.bbclass) |
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| 20:41.33 | bruce_c | there's a simple portability fix in bitbake/lib/bb/fetch/git.py . Change line 91 from "rm * -Rf" to "rm -Rf *" since some OSes need switches first |
| 20:44.09 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: Great, i think everybody agrees that such GNUisms should not be present in OE. mickeyl might probably want to commit a fix :) |
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| 20:58.25 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: the other places that should be changed are listed in http://www.cran.org.uk/~brucec/badrm |
| 20:59.39 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: have you already succeed in building OE? |
| 21:00.21 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: (joke, i know it can take more than a day ;) ) |
| 21:00.21 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: no, once I saw how to get started I decided to give it a go in FreeBSD. I'm just about to boot back to Ubuntu to see if I can complete my first build |
| 21:00.36 | bruce_c | wow |
| 21:00.46 | bruce_c | probably not the sort of job to run in a VM then :) |
| 21:01.12 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: Ubuntu is boring. ;) |
| 21:02.21 | bruce_c | PaulFertser: do you prefer Gentoo? |
| 21:03.08 | CVirus | Gentoo > * |
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| 21:03.55 | PaulFertser | bruce_c: i run it on my Laptop. And i like helping fellow girls to setup it. |
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| 21:16.14 | Serdar | is it possible to mount and format the msd card within the freerunner via usb cable? |
| 21:17.34 | max_posedon | yes |
| 21:17.35 | henk | Serdar: if you boot from nand and ssh in, sure. |
| 21:17.40 | mjr | technically yes, but that's not how it's set up |
| 21:18.45 | Serdar | I am useing qi, I cannot see if I am in nand flash or not, only nor is visible :/ |
| 21:19.37 | Serdar | oh I flash again u-boot oO |
| 21:20.24 | max_posedon | Serdar, it is easy check it after boot |
| 21:20.29 | max_posedon | mount |
| 21:20.31 | max_posedon | ) |
| 21:20.33 | mjr | nor only contains u-boot, your main OS is either in NAND or SD |
| 21:20.41 | Serdar | that will help Ithink, and about this ssh stuff, how do I get an IP and is there atomatically a sshd at nand? |
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| 21:30.24 | max_posedon | Serdar, 192.168.0.202 |
| 21:30.39 | max_posedon | "default" neo ip |
| 21:31.31 | Serdar | thanks |
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| 21:38.44 | bruce_c | Serdar: I think you might have to install an additional package to get mkfs.ext3 - and you do want to use ext3 and not ext2 because phones tend to get powered off without warning :) |
| 21:40.35 | Serdar | bruce_c, Iwant xfs but I guess that would not work |
| 21:41.00 | bruce_c | oh, xfs might work too |
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| 21:52.41 | mmontour | Serdar: it is possible for the Freerunner to export its microSD card as a USB Storage device, so that you can reformat/install/etc. the card from your PC |
| 21:53.16 | lindi- | mmontour: wouldn't network block device be much easier? |
| 21:54.06 | mmontour | No, because if you use the g_file_storage method then you don't have to worry about networking at all |
| 21:54.37 | mmontour | I have my rootfs on microSD and I use Qi to boot. I have a minimal rootfs in NAND that exports the card as a storage device |
| 21:55.14 | Serdar | I want to use it for my systems |
| 21:55.48 | Serdar | I want install some oses on my usd |
| 21:56.28 | lindi- | mmontour: but you can't use g_ether either? |
| 21:56.30 | Serdar | shr, andoid, qt-extended-improved and neovento |
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| 21:58.34 | mmontour | lindi-: not sure exactly what you're asking. You can't use g_ether and g_file_storage at the same time |
| 22:00.30 | mmontour | Serdar: if you want to try my method, see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2009-March/005135.html |
| 22:01.00 | mmontour | It works well if you're booting with Qi and putting your root filesystem(s) on SD. It's not suitable if you want to have your main rootfs on NAND |
| 22:04.49 | lindi- | mmontour: how do you talk to the phone while formatting it then? |
| 22:06.32 | ShellEvil | lindi-: in a soft voice. |
| 22:07.17 | mmontour | lindi-: The rootfs waits for me to click the power button and then it shuts down. Apart from that the only communication is via the g_file_storage protocol |
| 22:07.33 | lindi- | mmontour: wouldn't g_ether be like more flexible? |
| 22:08.26 | mmontour | I don't need flexibility. I just need a convenient way to maintain what's installed on the uSD card |
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| 22:13.32 | Serdar | what is this rootfs file? |
| 22:14.32 | mmontour | It's a JFFS2 filesystem that should be written to the rootfs partition of NAND flash using dfu-util |
| 22:16.49 | Serdar | but what distribution it holöds on? |
| 22:17.39 | mmontour | No distribution. It's a minimal filesystem with only the programs needed to load the g_file_storage module (busybox + a couple of others). |
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