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| 00:07.26 | rooly | i must say |
| 00:07.39 | rooly | after reading that book series, i'm rather miffed at the ending |
| 00:08.33 | fredrin | never made it to the end |
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| 00:16.52 | badcloud | hey ppls |
| 00:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | hey |
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| 00:18.37 | badcloud | what's new/up, doc? |
| 00:19.20 | DocScrutinizer | no news here |
| 00:20.10 | badcloud | that's good, right? |
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| 00:38.26 | Dave | Ken! |
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| 01:12.38 | Chocky | allmoo |
| 01:13.41 | Dave | YES |
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| 01:15.08 | Chocky | DAVEMoo. |
| 01:15.54 | Dave | yessums |
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| 01:36.35 | hipitihop | can someone tell me how to turn up volume during calls in SHR ? both me and other party are not loud enough |
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| 01:39.00 | hipitihop | shr is also slow to accept the call, keeps ringing well after accept button pressed |
| 01:40.51 | fredrin | the caller app should always be running, maybe paroli will fix that |
| 01:40.58 | fredrin | anyone using paroli on shr? |
| 01:45.57 | hipitihop | are accelerometers meters working in shr ? |
| 02:01.39 | fredrin | hipitihop: yes |
| 02:02.36 | hipitihop | fredrin: for screen rotation ? |
| 02:02.52 | fredrin | yes |
| 02:02.58 | fredrin | are some programs on opkg.org |
| 02:03.30 | fredrin | rotate, but it's fare from perfect |
| 02:03.42 | Chocky | heh |
| 02:03.53 | fredrin | sometime the screen fucks up after turning |
| 02:04.14 | fredrin | then you just have to shake it and twist it to get i normal |
| 02:04.19 | hipitihop | fredrin: re the volume, what should I be fiddling |
| 02:05.02 | fredrin | some alsa state file, but not sure which one or wich mixer, but ther e 'should' be an easier way |
| 02:05.11 | fredrin | not sure though |
| 02:05.24 | hipitihop | did you have to fiddle yours ? or your volumes are ok |
| 02:05.36 | fredrin | nah, abit to low :( |
| 02:05.47 | fredrin | use the speaker mode if i have too :) |
| 02:05.50 | Chocky | tsks. a bit, too. |
| 02:06.09 | fredrin | uses lazy workaround |
| 02:06.18 | hipitihop | does headphones work ? |
| 02:06.26 | Chocky | hah. |
| 02:06.36 | Chocky | for values of "work", yes. |
| 02:07.23 | fredrin | not tried in a while |
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| 02:54.21 | Chocky | rools. |
| 02:54.42 | fredrin | fatfingershell is nice |
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| 03:07.13 | zeroedout | Hi, I just tried to flash moko11 to the gsm modem using the uSD image, however instead of the green done, it goes to the anstrom screen. I get the error (in blue), ...submission failed check fluid.exe does this mean it didn't flash? |
| 03:08.16 | hipitihop | zeroedout: wait a linger longer.. I got some blue too but eventually got the green |
| 03:09.15 | zeroedout | I got the green, but not a done, just the angstrom ascii text |
| 03:09.23 | hipitihop | are there plans or is there already a keyboard available for shr which mimics a conventional phone nine key keyboard for sms ? |
| 03:14.59 | fredrin | hipitihop: some good keyboards at opkg.org |
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| 03:22.53 | SeligArkin | hmm anyone know of a opkg package for vim? the busybox vi is fail. |
| 03:23.04 | Chocky | opkg install nano |
| 03:23.37 | SeligArkin | i sail vim |
| 03:23.40 | Chocky | or install the Debian package :p |
| 03:24.11 | Chocky | After 15 years, I still don't get why modal editing makes sense. |
| 03:24.51 | SeligArkin | i have a backup of my debian flash image, giving sha go right nowr |
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| 03:30.56 | Chocky | mbufmanager |
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| 03:46.03 | hipitihop | fredrin: thanks... trying to download grdipad actually, seems like http://www.om.vptt.ch/ is down or something |
| 03:47.13 | hipitihop | at least from here, anyone else can get to the page ? |
| 03:49.35 | jc | nope, I couldn't. |
| 04:00.19 | hipitihop | anyone know if there is an alternate repository or location I can get gridpad_2.1-r0.1_armv4t.ipk & libfakekey0_0.2+svnr1455-r1_armv4t.ipk from ? |
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| 05:19.44 | linuxxr | well |
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| 06:23.34 | PaulFertser | Hey gfather1 :) |
| 06:23.45 | PaulFertser | gfather1: how are you? |
| 06:24.29 | fredrin | is ther some whay to like delete a word with the illumne keyboard? |
| 06:28.07 | ndnihil | backspace key |
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| 06:32.46 | fredrin | ndnihil: that's just caracter per caracter, like if I type a name that's not in the dictionary, and then one of the first caracters of the word is misspelled, i need to hit delete many time's |
| 06:33.37 | ndnihil | what kind of 20+ letter words are you typing that it becomes cumbersom one char at a time? |
| 06:33.46 | ndnihil | s/cumbersom/cumbersome/g |
| 06:33.51 | ndnihil | stabs apt |
| 06:33.54 | fredrin | like i type 'f5edrin' and i need to delete letter by letter, like five times |
| 06:34.11 | fredrin | better to just delete the whole word and then start to write again |
| 06:34.26 | ndnihil | install openoffice |
| 06:34.34 | ndnihil | I'm sure it'll have a macro for that |
| 06:35.05 | fredrin | talking about the keyboard in illumne |
| 06:35.21 | ndnihil | that's not a keyboard specific function |
| 06:35.25 | ndnihil | that's application level |
| 06:35.31 | fredrin | like when you type sms, or names in contacts lists |
| 06:35.49 | fredrin | the keyboard uses a dictionary |
| 06:36.19 | ndnihil | are you talking about predictive text? |
| 06:36.49 | fredrin | no, about the keyboard used in illumne.... or shr or openmoko distros |
| 06:37.54 | ndnihil | applications use dictionaries and are what would handle whole-word delete |
| 06:38.02 | ndnihil | the keyboard is an input device |
| 06:39.44 | ndnihil | ugh, python is friggen annoying |
| 06:39.54 | ndnihil | you have to re-indent entire code blocks when testing things |
| 06:40.10 | methril|work | good morning |
| 06:40.17 | ndnihil | hi methril |
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| 06:45.09 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: can't your editor do it for you with a simple short-cut? |
| 06:45.35 | ndnihil | vi can do anything |
| 06:45.40 | ndnihil | that doesn't make it not annoying |
| 06:46.23 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: why? If reindeting is a matter of pressing 2-3 buttons? |
| 06:46.46 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: in fact you can force it to always reindent on any change. |
| 06:47.38 | ndnihil | and you've got a vi/vim recipe for that? |
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| 06:50.05 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: "you can tell Vim to reindent the whole file every time you press enter in insert-mode." http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Indenting_source_code |
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| 06:50.47 | PaulFertser | Guys, have anyone tried to disable slowing down uSD access when GPS is turned on (provided you have a hardware fix)? |
| 06:50.53 | ndnihil | interesting, but regardless of editor capabilities, I find it a bit silly that python is so dependent on indentation |
| 06:51.05 | raster | hi-5's ndnihil |
| 06:51.15 | ndnihil | word raster |
| 06:52.00 | raster | python and the universe of raster.. do not mix well. a bit like milk and motor oil. |
| 06:52.14 | ndnihil | that's very understandable |
| 06:52.32 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: the indentation debate is so utterly pointless that i'm amazed to see it that often. In real life it's maximum a minor inconvenience if not a win (considering python is aimed at inexperienced programmers). |
| 06:52.56 | ndnihil | right, because quirks like that are just what make things easy for noobs |
| 06:53.10 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: it was created to be used in modern enough editors, sure "ed" is not up to the task. |
| 06:54.44 | laen | DAVE |
| 06:54.45 | ndnihil | if that's the case, it was a poor choice for being used on a phone, where you get vi and very little in the way of "modern" editors |
| 06:56.19 | ndnihil | I don't mean to spark a religious debate, but my personal preference is something styled more like C/perl |
| 06:56.34 | ndnihil | or the almighty bash! |
| 06:56.51 | raster | problem with c is.. if u dev ON the device |
| 06:56.55 | raster | u need not just a good editor |
| 06:56.56 | raster | but gcc |
| 06:56.59 | raster | headers |
| 06:57.01 | raster | binutils |
| 06:57.08 | ndnihil | yeah |
| 06:57.09 | raster | and in reality u also now need m4, autoconf,automake etc. |
| 06:57.15 | ndnihil | already installed :) |
| 06:57.22 | raster | i'd ship that.. if u had like 1g of flash |
| 06:57.27 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: ahem, perl with all that funky ideas "do_that_thing unless something"? |
| 06:57.38 | raster | but on a small bit of flash like 128m or 256m it's not very practical |
| 06:57.42 | ndnihil | but to be honest, I'm using sshfs and vim from the laptop |
| 06:58.03 | ndnihil | the few C bits I've compiled were on the laptop |
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| 06:58.06 | PaulFertser | raster: why not use some cheap SD instead? Performance issues? |
| 06:58.12 | ndnihil | so I'm probably going to get rid of those packages |
| 06:58.23 | ndnihil | got rid of a couple games too |
| 06:58.27 | ndnihil | running low on space |
| 06:58.33 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: btw, vim (full) loads a bit slow on FR, but works ok. And it gives you time to think more ;) |
| 06:59.09 | fredrin | lol |
| 06:59.16 | ndnihil | everything loads a bit slow on this thing |
| 06:59.27 | ndnihil | not painful in most cases |
| 06:59.29 | ndnihil | but noticeable |
| 06:59.58 | fredrin | PaulFertser tried to use the fatfingershell? |
| 07:00.03 | eolson | wuggles python |
| 07:00.08 | PaulFertser | fredrin: not yet, i'm a Debian user. |
| 07:00.17 | eolson | . o O (down with c) |
| 07:00.48 | ndnihil | o/~ you down wit gcc? yeah you know me! o/~ |
| 07:01.07 | PaulFertser | ndnihil: anyway if your compile time is noticeable that will make you think in a more productive way, i hope. |
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| 07:01.37 | eolson | ndnihil, by the way, you can indent 10 lines in vim, by hitting "10", then ">>" |
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| 07:02.00 | eolson | and unindent with "<<" |
| 07:02.31 | ndnihil | still a pain in the ass when you need to do that to 30+ lines just because you wanted to test without an if or a while |
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| 07:03.00 | eolson | ndnihil, i think it's a worthwhile tradeoff for code readability |
| 07:03.22 | ndnihil | it's no more or less readable than any other scripted language |
| 07:03.47 | eolson | ndnihil, depends on the programmer |
| 07:04.02 | ndnihil | I'm big on going through and giving my code proper indentation, -after- I'm done working out the functionality aspect |
| 07:04.44 | ndnihil | having to make it pretty while making it work is more effort |
| 07:04.54 | ndnihil | more time |
| 07:04.55 | ndnihil | etc.. |
| 07:05.18 | ndnihil | it's a personal preference thing I guess |
| 07:05.33 | eolson | maybe, but it's less typing, less keystrokes for me. All those c++ extra lines, brackets, etc. takes a lot more time |
| 07:06.48 | henk | ndnihil: with a proper editor it's "press tab for start indentation", "let the editor handle indentation for following lines" and "press backspace to unindent one level" |
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| 07:07.07 | ndnihil | vim does that |
| 07:07.11 | ndnihil | as you're writing |
| 07:07.28 | henk | it can do that, if you want it to. |
| 07:07.34 | ndnihil | but if you go back and modify something, you have to re-indent everything below it or it complains |
| 07:07.53 | henk | that's what you are doing anyway isn't it? |
| 07:08.06 | ndnihil | no |
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| 07:08.19 | henk | ok, not on modifying... |
| 07:08.46 | ndnihil | the event that sparked my original comment was removing a while in a bit of code, and having to re-indent 25-30 lines below it for it to interpret properly |
| 07:09.08 | henk | don't get me wrong, i'm not fond of python (barely know it) or of that indentation "feature" (never used it but can't imagine that it's not annoying) |
| 07:09.46 | henk | that sucks. |
| 07:09.54 | eolson | ndnihil, well, you could have replaced the while with "if 1:", but I can see if your used to doing things one way, it's not fun getting used to another way |
| 07:10.36 | eolson | the "if 1:", was because you're debugging and you said you'd go back later and fix indents |
| 07:10.54 | ndnihil | wonders if someone has already made a dbus perl module ipkg |
| 07:11.44 | henk | probably for the *wrt* thingies... |
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| 07:49.28 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:55.03 | KenYoung | Hopscotch, Good morning |
| 07:55.05 | master_void | good morning |
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| 08:03.59 | gfather | good morning :) |
| 08:04.11 | jc | morning. |
| 08:04.44 | PaulFertser | gfather: hey :) |
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| 08:05.09 | fredrin | night :) |
| 08:05.15 | beer_ | morning M) |
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| 08:06.32 | gfather | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.33 | gfather | :) |
| 08:07.12 | PaulFertser | gfather: nice to hear your RTL dream is coming true ;) |
| 08:07.23 | beer_ | RTL? |
| 08:07.27 | jc | RTL? |
| 08:07.38 | PaulFertser | Right-to-Left |
| 08:08.03 | PaulFertser | A kind of perversion found in Hebrew and Arabic. |
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| 08:10.10 | gfather | yes :) |
| 08:10.14 | gfather | its coming |
| 08:10.36 | gfather | well at least i can say ., i did something for openmoko comunity :D |
| 08:12.54 | Psi | is there anything strange when setting up shr as a nfs client? |
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| 08:24.30 | mani|work | hi there, what you use to compile your openmoko image? i tried mokomakefile at ubuntu and different versions of suse, it doesn't work for me at all.. heared about toolchain, is this the tool i should use? |
| 08:25.26 | mani|work | (because the wiki is some kind of deprecated i think) |
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| 08:25.41 | ndnihil | the method described in the wiki works fine |
| 08:25.43 | lindi- | don't use openmoko (the distro) anymore mainly because it was so hard to compile |
| 08:25.48 | lindi- | +i |
| 08:25.57 | KenYoung | mani|work, THe *only* thing I've gotten to work is mokomakefile, and I run Ubuntu. But I haven't rebuilt the thing in months. |
| 08:27.04 | ndnihil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 08:27.14 | ndnihil | ^worked fine on debian etch |
| 08:27.25 | mani|work | KenYoung: i already tried with suse 10.3, 11.0, 11.1 and an ubuntu version(don't know which one) .. one time it really did all precompile, but then it failed |
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| 08:36.11 | mani|work | ah and btw, thanks ndnihil, i will try toolchain |
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| 08:52.41 | Psi | are there anything strange issues getting shr to be a nfs client? |
| 08:53.51 | ndnihil | nothing stranger than normal NFS I'd imagine |
| 08:54.06 | Psi | do you happen to know what the nfs opkg name is? |
| 08:54.26 | ndnihil | opkg list |grep -i nfs |
| 08:54.45 | ndnihil | it really depends on what repositories you have configured |
| 08:54.55 | Psi | opkg list is a bit screwed |
| 08:55.08 | ndnihil | opkg in general is a bit screwed |
| 08:55.12 | Psi | heh |
| 08:55.28 | ndnihil | what I do is after an opkg update, I opkg list > pkglist.txt |
| 08:55.31 | ndnihil | and grep through that |
| 08:55.38 | xcasexwrka | 9999/win 13 |
| 08:55.41 | xcasexwrka | doh |
| 08:55.43 | ndnihil | s/ I / is /g |
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| 09:05.03 | Psi | where does nfsd log to, the neo keeps saying permission denied and i cant see why |
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| 09:21.37 | Psi | damn, cant even mount smb folder :( cifs and smbfs both look to be there, but does mount -t smbfs/cifs work, no :( |
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| 09:23.05 | ndnihil | sshfs works fine for me |
| 09:23.24 | Psi | tries that |
| 09:29.02 | Psi | i dont see sshfs on the neo, or in opkg list :( |
| 09:30.10 | Psi | i need to mount a remote folder on the neo, not the other way around. Need to dd the sdcard to network share as a backup before trying different os |
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| 09:34.44 | henk | Psi: dd + nc |
| 09:35.32 | Psi | hm.. never used nc |
| 09:36.33 | SpeedEvil | Psi: NFS? |
| 09:36.51 | Psi | tried it, i cant figure out why it keeps saying permission denied on the neo |
| 09:37.16 | dent | Psi: nfs works for me well |
| 09:37.20 | Psi | not even sure if its setup, there is no portmapper running that i could so |
| 09:37.22 | henk | Psi: start the nfs server with debugging options... what does your exports file look like? |
| 09:37.30 | dent | (shr-unstable, but it worked most of the time on any shr) |
| 09:37.42 | Psi | im using shr stable, but want to try shr unstable |
| 09:37.49 | Psi | need to backup sdcard first |
| 09:39.48 | Psi | export file on server only has this.. /tmp 192.168.0.202(rw,sync,no_root_squash) |
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| 09:40.40 | henk | Psi: showmount -e on the server says that too? |
| 09:41.13 | Psi | showmount -e gives.. portmap getport: RPC: Success |
| 09:41.43 | henk | nothing else? then your exports are not really exported... try exportfs -ra and again showmount -e |
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| 09:41.56 | Psi | hm.. |
| 09:43.33 | Psi | maybe i installed the wrong nfs server |
| 09:43.45 | henk | which one? |
| 09:43.54 | Psi | i was using nfs-user-server |
| 09:44.02 | Psi | in ubuntu |
| 09:44.18 | henk | ok, never used that one. i'd go for nfs-kernel-server |
| 09:44.26 | Psi | yeah, thats what im doing now :) |
| 09:45.06 | Psi | this looks better, its detected that my exports file is different to the custom one |
| 09:45.17 | Psi | err, default one i mean |
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| 09:48.03 | Psi | heres what i get http://pastebin.com/d466c863e |
| 09:48.46 | henk | Psi: sudo... |
| 09:49.37 | Psi | sudo gets rid of the last two lines of exportfs-ra but showmount -e is the same |
| 09:50.08 | Psi | it shouldnt be saying 192.168.0.202:/tmp |
| 09:50.19 | Psi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.20 | henk | did you run both commands with sudo? i'm not sure about whether showmount works as a user. |
| 09:50.29 | Psi | yeah, ran both |
| 09:50.45 | henk | Psi: nfs-kernel-server is running? portmap is running and listening not only on localhost? |
| 09:51.33 | Psi | yay, its working now |
| 09:51.45 | Psi | dunno what it was exactly but its mounting now |
| 09:51.51 | henk | cool :) |
| 09:52.04 | Psi | showmount -e still only has that one line tho |
| 09:52.14 | henk | strange... |
| 09:52.35 | Psi | thanks for your help |
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| 09:53.50 | henk | welcome |
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| 10:40.03 | mokel | anyone online who has applied the buzzfix? |
| 10:40.29 | ndnihil | the software or hardware buzzfix? |
| 10:40.34 | ndnihil | I did the software one |
| 10:40.56 | mokel | hardware |
| 10:41.01 | ndnihil | it was better, but I think I might do the hardware one at a later point |
| 10:41.12 | mokel | where are infos about the software fix? |
| 10:41.31 | ndnihil | on the SHR tweaks wiki if I remember right |
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| 10:41.58 | mokel | that worked? |
| 10:42.03 | ndnihil | it helped a bit |
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| 11:24.35 | badcloud | feels like the community is going through a sour marriage; nothing left to talk about |
| 11:25.09 | PaulFertser | badcloud: git clone the kernel and start hacking ;) |
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| 11:28.10 | badcloud | git? |
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| 11:32.36 | PaulFertser | badcloud: yeah, the most popular DVCS |
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| 11:33.41 | Psi | anyone know which of the shr unstable images has working gsm |
| 11:33.46 | Psi | for gta01 |
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| 11:34.19 | CM_work | Didnt' work well for me last time I tried, but that was a March 20 build or so |
| 11:34.23 | CM_work | On GTA01 |
| 11:34.55 | CM_work | Haven't had any luck getting my 01 working with any distro since early march, and then it was only the vanilla FSO build that worked |
| 11:35.00 | Psi | yeah, ive been using testing. but someone on the mailing list said unstable was just as stable and had much better apps |
| 11:35.18 | Psi | i just tried one and it works except no gsm |
| 11:35.23 | CM_work | gta01 feels a bit left behind |
| 11:35.27 | CM_work | What kernel? |
| 11:35.27 | Psi | gsm says it cant connect to dbus |
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| 11:35.36 | CM_work | I had to use the 2.6.24 |
| 11:35.37 | Psi | was 2.6.24 |
| 11:35.51 | Psi | yeah, 2.6.28 wouldnt boot |
| 11:35.59 | CM_work | Heh, noticed that too |
| 11:36.13 | Wonka | debian has a 2.6.29 kernel for GTA02 that boots |
| 11:36.18 | Wonka | and works several hours |
| 11:36.23 | Psi | i tried the full version, ie not lite |
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| 11:36.29 | Wonka | but does not show battery data |
| 11:36.49 | Wonka | no idea about GTA01 though |
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| 13:40.24 | master_void | hello, how can i use "Minimal GTK gui" (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Python) on openmoko? with an desktop icon? |
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| 14:09.12 | mani|work | is there a way to create a desktop icon to my own hello world application? |
| 14:09.23 | henk | sure |
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| 14:11.54 | mani|work | can you give me a tip, what to search for? maybe a service or a library? |
| 14:12.19 | mani|work | searched for "openmoko desktop" "openmoko menu" "openmoko icon" X.x |
| 14:12.31 | henk | mani|work: afaik you have to put a file in some directory. i guess you will have to google for freedesktop.org desktop icon |
| 14:12.51 | mani|work | okay, thank you |
| 14:13.02 | henk | mani|work: or you could list the files of one of the application packages that provide an icon... |
| 14:13.27 | mani|work | thats a good idea, too :x |
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| 14:43.19 | spaceninja | openmoko dead? |
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| 14:43.32 | mjr | not yet, still kicking |
| 14:43.53 | mwester | twitching |
| 14:43.53 | mjr | the rumors of OM's death have been ... slightly exaggarated |
| 14:44.09 | SpeedEvil | ZOM |
| 14:44.09 | mjr | scratching the coffin |
| 14:44.12 | SpeedEvil | (Zombie) |
| 14:44.22 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't use batteries anymore, it uses Brains! |
| 14:44.49 | mwester | It's clearly eaten it's founder's brain, quite some time ago! ;-) |
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| 14:47.14 | spaceninja | lets hope it's still around when I have some money, bye |
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| 15:11.45 | linuxxr | master of deception-openmoko |
| 15:12.27 | linuxxr | u guys are just getting jerked around |
| 15:12.32 | linuxxr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:13.14 | mwester | suspects linuxxr is typing into the wrong window |
| 15:15.00 | linuxxr | sorry |
| 15:15.13 | linuxxr | but your wrong |
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| 15:17.12 | mwester | Oh. But I fail to see whom you are responding to with your comments. |
| 15:17.56 | balrog-kun | his wrong? whose wrong? |
| 15:19.54 | linuxxr | badcloud> feels like the community is going through a sour marriage; nothing left to talk about |
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| 15:42.03 | saracen | Oh fucking awesome. Now qte freezes upon boot |
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| 16:02.01 | icedwater | Wow, nice! So many people here. |
| 16:03.28 | unknown_lamer | moo |
| 16:03.49 | CVirus | not for long though |
| 16:04.06 | icedwater | How come? :) You mean the news hasn't filtered through yet? |
| 16:04.15 | unknown_lamer | hrm, I may end up with someone's freerunner he doesn't want in a month or two |
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| 16:04.36 | unknown_lamer | and then I suppose I could go ahead with my magical überlisp environment stuff now that everything else is done |
| 16:05.21 | icedwater | Hmm... I actually wouldn't mind getting together with the rest of the people who might still be interested in openMoko stuff |
| 16:05.26 | unknown_lamer | or, just give up and keep using my damn nokia 7610 that refuse to die |
| 16:05.36 | icedwater | Latecomer, I know, but it never came to our market anyway. |
| 16:05.42 | unknown_lamer | sucks that the hardware is dead, but software lives on FOREVER |
| 16:05.42 | SpeedEvil | ponders holding an openmoko conference. |
| 16:05.50 | SpeedEvil | ponders holding an openmoko conference/gravel-moving party. |
| 16:05.57 | saracen | What software> |
| 16:06.00 | saracen | ?* |
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| 16:06.07 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: the hardware may continue to exist. |
| 16:06.22 | unknown_lamer | saracen: the entire fs.o software stack ... just because it is unfunded doesn't mean people won't be working on it |
| 16:06.30 | unknown_lamer | as long as there are phones that can run gnu/linux ... |
| 16:06.37 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 16:06.52 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: rather - the hardware - GTA02 - looks like it's going to continue to be sold for the near future. |
| 16:07.10 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: sucks that things like the gsm recamping issue may be unsolvable :-\ |
| 16:07.11 | SpeedEvil | It's the hardware design team that got - reportedly - mostly let go. |
| 16:07.35 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: though there looked to be progress on that on the ML perhaps |
| 16:07.39 | saracen | shouldnt it have been the otherway around? ;x |
| 16:07.49 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: ? |
| 16:07.52 | SpeedEvil | sarac: |
| 16:07.55 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: the progress looks like oh no the chip gets too hot and ... well then, what really can be /done/ about that |
| 16:08.11 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: swap out the xtal |
| 16:08.14 | saracen | I mean. The software can easily be continued by others. Hardware is a problem ;x |
| 16:08.17 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: 'tho 150 uA versus 30ish uA or whatever ... meh, uA don't matter so much |
| 16:08.38 | SpeedEvil | saracen: the problem is _NOT_ the hardware. The GTA01 - (with some fixes) would have been a completely fine phone. |
| 16:08.54 | unknown_lamer | oi, damn glamo mistake probably killed everything |
| 16:09.00 | unknown_lamer | oh well, hindsight being what it is and all |
| 16:09.13 | SpeedEvil | The unreadyness - in most cases - barring GSM buzz and stuff - forex. |
| 16:09.19 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: or foresight. |
| 16:09.26 | saracen | I meant hardware is a problem for the community to continue. I don't mean, generically, it's a problem. |
| 16:09.32 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: /me is sure he posted this well before GTA02 launch. |
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| 16:10.40 | saracen | I wish everything wasn't written in python :) |
| 16:10.44 | Sargun | SpeedEvil, ? |
| 16:10.54 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: sorry |
| 16:11.04 | SpeedEvil | Sargun: my problem with completion again. |
| 16:11.15 | Sargun | How are you feeling? |
| 16:11.27 | unknown_lamer | saracen: well, all hope may not be lost. TI is looking like they've gone from being proprietary nazis to normal proprietary people and so ... who knows, if /they/ can go from charging $$$ just to get info on their chips' instructions sets to sort-of supporting free software... |
| 16:11.47 | SpeedEvil | Just been trying to clear up in garden - and not thinking of much - got 2* bulk bags of rubbish out. |
| 16:12.56 | Sargun | God damn old people talking about "old times" |
| 16:15.55 | mwester | Ah, I remember when young whipper-snappers had proper respect for their elders, and didn't use foul language, and when they did, why, in my day, we used to wash out their mouths with soap, we did! |
| 16:16.15 | SpeedEvil | haz pressure-washer with soap dispenser. |
| 16:16.18 | tig| | mmm soap </homer> |
| 16:16.56 | tig| | has general electric 7.62mm pram mounted toy launcher |
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| 16:17.50 | tig| | I can't get over how much faster SHR unstable is now :) |
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| 18:13.18 | jonsmith1982 | recently heard openmoko is stopping producing mobile phones? is this correct? |
| 18:14.25 | tg | o rly? |
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| 18:14.37 | shellevil | no |
| 18:14.42 | mmontour | jonsmith1982: GTA02 will still be produced for now. Development of future phone products has been suspended |
| 18:14.59 | shellevil | Over a ravine, with crocodiles in. |
| 18:15.06 | Dave | Mmontour |
| 18:15.08 | Dave | :) |
| 18:15.21 | *** topic/#openmoko by mickeyl -> Newsflash: Openmoko puts further phone models on ice, support for present models continues with limited forces | Users of Openmoko Hardware | Developers, please join#openmoko-cdevel | New Users read http://wiki.openmoko.org/ | Before asking read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 18:15.30 | Dave | :) |
| 18:15.32 | Dave | Thanks |
| 18:16.00 | mickeyl | ~ugt |
| 18:16.01 | apt | methinks ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 18:16.04 | mickeyl | ~botsnack |
| 18:16.04 | apt | aw, gee, mickeyl |
| 18:17.48 | mjr | why does it bother to say "any _other_ people" though |
| 18:18.18 | mjr | I mean, it's not like the greetee's time matters |
| 18:18.18 | Dave | just to insult you, mjr :P |
| 18:18.43 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 18:18.50 | mjr | apt, well, fuck you too! |
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| 18:19.01 | jonsmith1982 | so is gta02 seen as capable of rivaling other smartphones or is the hardware lacking? |
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| 18:19.30 | jonsmith1982 | i have a gta02 but have the buzz problem. |
| 18:19.38 | mickeyl | well |
| 18:19.39 | alphaone | jonsmith1982: I heard that the Glofiish locks up more often than the Freerunner :-) |
| 18:19.42 | mickeyl | hard to gudge |
| 18:19.45 | mickeyl | judge, even |
| 18:19.53 | mickeyl | parts of gta02 rock |
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| 18:19.56 | mickeyl | other parts suck |
| 18:20.03 | alphaone | jonsmith1982: Any buzz-fix parties happening in your area? |
| 18:20.05 | mickeyl | as with every other device |
| 18:20.57 | jonsmith1982 | alphaone, not that i know of, i'm in the uk... only seen em for germany, haven't kept upto date with the mailing list recently though. |
| 18:21.26 | jonsmith1982 | maybe a new service provider will fix it for me ? |
| 18:22.14 | jonsmith1982 | changing service providers* |
| 18:23.03 | fredrin | general linux question. I have an external harddrive, with ext3 filesystem, i copy files with one user account to the disk, move the disk to another computer with another user name, now i get access denied, be cause of different users |
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| 18:23.10 | fredrin | must be root to access the files |
| 18:23.41 | saracen | Anybody here using qte-debian? |
| 18:23.43 | fredrin | can I have a more elegant solution, so that my files on my external harddrive is always accessible with whatever user? |
| 18:23.52 | fredrin | good morning by the way :) |
| 18:24.25 | mjr | well, you could write them with enough permissions... |
| 18:24.56 | mjr | you could probably create a permissive default acl on the root directory to make it default. If you mount with acls, anyway. |
| 18:25.02 | fredrin | mjr: i know, but can't i use some umask or sticky bit thing, not suere |
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| 18:26.12 | fredrin | i should have formated it with ntfs filesystem, then it would have been a non problem |
| 18:26.31 | shellevil | add users to group externaldisk |
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| 18:26.46 | shellevil | and mount it that way |
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| 18:48.56 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sudharshan 'Sup3rkiddo' S <sudharsh@gmail.com> |
| 18:48.57 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03sudharsh 07cornucopia * r1cb344a72041 10/fsodeviced/ (6 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:48.58 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: Add kernel26_display. No abort errors here |
| 18:49.00 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: Signed-off-by: Sudharshan 'Sup3rkiddo' S <sudharsh@gmail.com> |
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| 19:36.55 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: This fixes http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/375 |
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| 20:30.07 | freerunnerlive | hi |
| 20:30.19 | freerunnerlive | i have a console in ubbot |
| 20:30.29 | freerunnerlive | can i change the menu to default ? |
| 20:30.37 | freerunnerlive | i have sd cardfrist boot |
| 20:30.46 | freerunnerlive | i want flash boot at first |
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| 20:32.35 | fredrin | freerunnerlive: if you use Qi, you get flash first |
| 20:33.11 | fredrin | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi |
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| 20:36.40 | haakeyar | I've bought a dynamo-powered flashlight. After disconnecting the battery, the dynamo provides between 4 and 4,5 V DC and around 600-700mA. |
| 20:36.55 | haakeyar | Do you think it would be a (fairly) safe bet to connect it to my Freerunner? |
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| 20:37.18 | haakeyar | According to the PMU datasheet of the freerunner (http://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/datasheet/PMU/PCF50633DS_02.pdf), anything between 4 and 5.3 V should be ok, so... |
| 20:38.36 | haakeyar | But I don't have much experience with hardware, so I thought I'd ask here first. :) |
| 20:39.15 | nicfer | It's sad that the openmoko team is going down |
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| 20:41.23 | fredrin | nicfer: it's not the end |
| 20:41.23 | nicfer | I've read that service providers don't want more OSes for phones and that's what is halting OM's development |
| 20:44.18 | nicfer | After all, the freerunner can run full distros available for ARM like debian, gentoo or ubuntu |
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| 20:47.33 | nicfer | I think that the freerunner has to be sold like a phone sized computer and not an smartphone |
| 20:53.20 | nicfer | Is there any phone that sells for less than 400 us$ without contract and has better features than a freerunner? |
| 20:53.46 | SeligArkin | stabs opkg |
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| 22:03.01 | PaulFertser | SeligArkin: cruel girl ;) |
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| 22:05.07 | SeligArkin | PaulFertser: its refusing to install what I want it to |
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| 22:06.19 | PaulFertser | SeligArkin: i've no doubt opkg has plenty of problems, but still ;) |
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| 22:17.35 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r8ac2650299b6 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 22:17.35 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: fsodevice: kernel26_display: overhaul |
| 22:17.35 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: * fix API semantics (we're using percentages, not absolute values) |
| 22:17.35 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: * get rid of display-helpers and use Posix.ioctl instead |
| 22:27.00 | CIA-54 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey 07cornucopia * r879d566b19b0 10/fsodeviced/src/plugins/kernel26_leds/plugin.vala: fsodevice: kernel26_leds: use FsoFramework.AbstractObject for config and logging setup |
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| 23:06.18 | badcloud | anyone manage to squeeze any audio out of scummvm under shr? |
| 23:10.21 | lord-carlos_ | anyone know a good mail programm for SHR testing? Something i dont have to compile myself |
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| 23:18.50 | hipitihop | does shr have a change log of some kind that tells me what changes each unstable build ? |
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| 23:20.30 | hipitihop | does anyone know who runs or why http://www.om.vptt.ch/ is not accesible ? I'm trying to install gridpad from opkg.org |
| 23:21.25 | re-peat | lord-carlos_: does mutt count? |
| 23:21.31 | re-peat | :D |
| 23:24.30 | hipitihop | can I opkg update shr or is it advisable to reflash |
| 23:25.13 | lord-carlos_ | re-peat: no, it does not :) |
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| 23:55.35 | hipitihop | anyone have Qwo running on latest shr unstable ? |
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| 23:56.42 | vsr | does open moko use matchbox wm? |